MOTHER of ALL motherboards - ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI Overview

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0:00 Mother of all motherboards
0:36 Sponsored Segment
0:57 Quick Overview
1:32 Unboxing and contents
2:04 VGA cable???
3:25 Did i make a mistake?
3:41 What cables come with it?
4:15 4x m.2 Expansion card...
5:08 Back side of the motherboard
5:33 IO of the motherboard
6:04 10Gbe 'Issue'
6:52 Rest of IO
7:12 CPU socket
7:45 8-Channel Memory 😱
8:33 2TB of RAM
9:02 Power Connectors
10:12 Fan Headers
10:34 USB Headers
10:50 Server STUFF?!
11:50 LOCATION button??
12:52 SD Card slot?
13:08 Error debug & Lights
13:30 M.2 & U.2 Slots
14:46 SATA ports
15:05 m.2 Expansion Card
16:12 Expansion SLOTS
17:02 Best-Bang-For-Buck Creator PC

[@theTechNotice]

Now the FATHER of all MOTHERBOARDS is out as well! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4qqqI2jqJWXfJI

[@brianmutuku8256]

"Father of all motherboards"😂😂😅

[@ZiIIen]

@@brianmutuku8256 🤣

[@RadGamerPro]

I think you'll now make a whole family😆

[@IamtheLordofDoom]

Hmmm. So... TR 59xx + DDR4 versus W9-34xx + DDR5 ... or wait for TR79xx + DDR5 (but when???)

[@recklessthor4]

@@IamtheLordofDoom w9 is prolly your best bet

[@conqueryourself9527]

30yrs ago my 486DX2 with 1MB of ram and 40MB was the top of the line running DOS and Windows 3.1. This motherboard is a beast!

[@Harzexe]

2 Tb of RAM? Might not be enough for The Last Of Us 😂

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Lol

[@Ren_1106]

Oh jeez 😂

[@geort45]

sorry man but I can run it fine, 64GB RAM

[@zaselimgamingvideos6881]

I know it's a joke but still want to say this, its not the ram but the CPUs which are having difficulty with the last of us a lot more than ram.

[@tichaclin]

😂 😂 😂

[@Vincent.Brisebois]

I am running this motherboard with dual liquid cooled 3090s and a 4090. I have it mounted in a Lian Li PC-011d with two 1600w power supplies. It's been a very solid system and motherboard.

[@williammwangi4439]

64 core thread ripper I presume 😁 ...what work do you do with it to utilize the power? Do you game? Would you replace one of the 3090s with a high-end workstation graphics card?

[@williammwangi4439]

How much do I need for a system like that fam?

[@o.b.a6035]

It's about time that someone will show Threadripper 5000 edition, Can't wait for the build

[@CinemaNinja]

I think this is classified as a workstation motherboard not server. At some point you should consider making a video show the difference between desktop computer, high end desktop, workstation, server, and enterprise computers.

[@timfritz7367]

What a monster! I can’t wait to see what you build with this thing. Whatever it is, it’s going to be a beast 🔥

[@gardnerjp1]

Not all that exciting. It's a REDIS cache server.

[@jerryjonsson9850]

U.2 is SAS Interface, you can basically connect nvme drives that are in the form factor or a normal SSD bit with hugely higher capacity

[@johanneskaramossov5103]

u.2 is usually used for enterprise grade ssd's like those up to 30 tb SSD's that unlike consumer M.2 SSD's dont slow down with longer term fast reading/writing but sacrifice a very minute amount of maximum read/write spead.. at least that is the only use of u.2 that i know. Also technically this is a workstation and not a server MB though there isnt much difference, also at least in Server application that micro SD Card / a USB port is sometimes used to house the Operating System if you got a system in an array tat really doesnt need anything in terms of storage but almost only compute and pass on the results through network Or similair situations in wich case you could actually run no conventional Drive at all.

[@alsanderson4917]

Yup, U.2 2.5" SSD Enterprise or Server drives. Each drive has it's own controller. Each drive gets it's own lane. Blazing fast. unlike SATA drives. Once you go U.2, you'll never go back.

[@ShepperdOneill]

I have this board in my workstation (with a 3995wx) and a single A5000. Definitely a beast with lots of room for upgrades.

[@NishantCosmos]

@gh0st upgrade it more

[@ShepperdOneill]

@gh0st Sorry for the late reply. KZbin never notified me. I use it for rendering (3D animation).

[@chrisk6474]

The amount of work that can be accomplished with this system is incredible. Also the ability to have the cards not go into 8x8 bandwidth is so useful. Hope to see the build on the channel.

[@christophegroulx7816]

Won't be a big difference between x16/x16 and x8/x8

[@Noah_Rieger]

U.2 is like m.2 but with a cable for sata like ssds (that are nvme ssds), but they are extremly exspensive and often used in servers in Hot swap sockets

[@nadtz]

U.2 is the hot swap enterprise version of NVME PCIE SSD's. Usually much higher capacity and endurance which is why they cost so much more than m.2

[@ehsnils]

You can also have an external SAN and use the U.2 connectors to connect to that - in case you want to build a cluster of computers either for increased performance or for redundancy.

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

you can also get adapters to put m.2 ssds in but have them case-mounted which is amazing

[@3dduff]

I have been lusting over this mother board for months. I have a small render farm and am always looking for a montherbord that can handle 3+ GPUS. I would love to see how you would trick this system out with the maximum number of GPUS and how benifishal that really is. I use Redshift for rendering, and there is talk about how 2-3 GPUs is the optimal number. But with this SAGE motherboard yes its expensive, but its would be like 2 computers in one massive build.

[@nadtz]

Have you looked at second hand Epyc 2? There are a couple reputable Chinese ebay sellers who are selling supermicro h11/12 motherboard + CPU + RAM combo's for very good prices. I got a 7302 + H12 mobo + 128gb DDR4 ECC for less than that motherboard would cost and the H12 motherboard has 5 PCI-E 4.0 x16 slots. There's a thread on the servethehome forums and some of those people are using this combo for multi GPU setups. (I'm just consolidating my little home lab onto 1 physical machine). Biggest issue for most seems to be water cooling if you aren't using RTX GPU's otherwise 2 GPU's will cover all your PCIE slots.

[@antonshart]

I second that!)

[@venousek85]

you can fit in 7(or 6 if you need addon card for m2 ssd's) GPU's RTX A4000 and its render beast ... 112GB of VRAM ECC memory with 1TB ECC RAM ... nice, but yes, it's power hungry in this combination :D

[@3dduff]

@@venousek85 When you're talking about a system built around this beast, I would go for 1 slot 4090 water-cooled....i mean, at that point, is COST even a consideration?

[@DaveGee0]

3dduff from the Redshift forums ? I'm CaddDood !

[@valorandvenom1131]

Looking to purchase that board for an video editing workstation and Live Stream server. Thank you for showing this in detail I watched upgrade video where you switched for AMD to Intel and was like I wonder if he’ll showcase the newer Threadripper board? And you did! Would it be possible to see you do the Extreme Zeneith alpha ii in the future?

[@vasiovasio]

Great review! What is the model of this metal stand/bench that is behind the motherboard?

[@SomeNameHere]

The Expansion card for the M.2's also got a feature via Software. Over Software you can disable the "Lane Splitting" and have it act like a Raidcard, showing you all installed SSD's as Raid 0 by dafault, but its switchable. Theres also a card from ASUS that is like that, but its x8 and doesnt support the Splitting at all, running allways in Raid 0 but keeps not working or being detected if your Mobo doesnt support Raid for PCIe Devices.

[@gustavinus]

You can run "soft-raid" using all SATA ports, having the OS (CPU) doing the RAID, which is actually recommended in many cases, including anything that uses ZFS as a filesystem.

[@henrythejeditube]

Finally, I have been searching for a long time for a proper review by a designer for designers, this is the king of kangs of motherboards(Might have to be called a fatherboard :), thanks so much for this video

[@neontetravienna]

Thanks for your videos. Have you ever tried 4x4tb m.2 on card and 3x4tb m.2 on board?? I have been trying this for 2 weeks long and not doing that. Don't find the correct amount of storage and raid in Windows 11 pro. Could you please help me.

[@emmanuelselamolela7050]

I've been waiting for you to do a video about this board

[@provoking3449]

I actually have this board and am in the middle of a build. The biggest challenge with this is finding the right case for it. It is much bigger than EATX and even when case says it supports EATX, it may not support this board. I ended up getting the Lian Li o11D XL case. But even that requires a special bracket to support this board which I cannot find being sold anywhere in the US, so I had to order from the UK and have to wait a couple weeks to get it and finish my build. Also you should know they have Sage II version of this board. Only difference is the Sage II has Wifi 6e. Not compelling for me since I run 10g ethernet.

[@charleshelton2345]

Makes sense that the sizing was strange for most cases as this is likely intended to be installed into a server enclosure.

[@xirizo2676]

Why did you chose this motherboard?

[@provoking3449]

@@xirizo2676 There are only a small handful of WRX80 motherboards available. For me it came down between this board and the ASRock Creator. Frankly the Creator would have been better because it has Thunderbolt for the future, but I don't really use Thunderbolt because I record video from BlackMagic to external samsung SSD which is USB 3.2. The con on the ASRock reviews was the terrible BIOS and so that reason combined with the great deal I got on a used board, I went with this one.

[@provoking3449]

@@charleshelton2345 It isn't really a server board, I know he mentioned the server features, but it really is more of a workstation board. Epyc systems are designed for servers and Threadripper more for workstations. It is meant more for a a very large enterprise case.

[@charleshelton2345]

@@provoking3449 I agree with you. I do not have the knowledge of the perfect case for using this in a home space. I imagined there being compatibility with many types of server enclosures.

[@mototechbd5666]

Which camera you use to make this beautiful video?

[@szlkok]

your speach is so clear, this is so rare..

[@MichelPASTOR]

Is this amount of RAM enough to run Firefox or do I need to wait for a motherboard I can install more RAM on ?

[@gterziysky]

Great video and really thorough overview! While the motherboard may appear to be great on paper, I came across several issues (tested with Ubuntu 18.04 & 22.04): 1) It cuts power to the USB ports when it passes control over to the OS (i.e. Q-LED switches to AA). After some struggling I came across some threads on L1 techs and StackOverflow that suggest to turn the VGA switch off. The issue did go away. 2) While the motherboard works well with SATA SSD when one plugs in an M2 SSD, the WiFi and SATA stop working even when the VGA switch is off. (Perhaps this is due to the OS kernel drivers.) 3) The BMC message LED keeps flashing - regardless of 1 & 2. (I admit I haven't yet logged on to the Intelligent Platform Management Interface (IPMI) to check the logs.) 4) The boot time is slow - it takes about a minute for the mobo to run all checks before passing control over to the OS. That is quite bizarre given that I am running a FireCuda 530 PCIe4 with a Threadripper Pro 5975WX and 256 GB RAM. Once the checks finish the OS does boot quite quickly, but this is ruined by the fact that the mobo boot sequence takes over a minute... If any one has come across any of those issues, please leave a reply to let me know how you solved them. Cheers!

[@RickyBobby_USA]

Learn anything new regarding these issues in the last 6months?

[@RickyBobby_USA]

I assumed that you ran 8x32gb ram to get the 256?

[@CLSMAG]

*Can i use 120GB HDD on this?*

[@06.ergaputra51]

People in the future be laughing so hard to this with their atomic sized 1 tb ram motherboard

[@siyoungnam1731]

I enjoyed your recent overviews acout ASUS Pro WS WRX80e-Sage SE WiFi & ASUS Pro WS W790e-Sage SE. Do you have a plan to monitor VRM temperature under OC? As an user of ASUS Pro WRX80e-SAGE WiFi, I have been interested in VRM temperature under various situations, because there are no monitoring sensors. Temperature monitoring on the chipset is also absent. Now, I'll move to the version II of the M/B, which enables my 5995WX to be overclocked. In those situation, it seems to be clear that monitoring and cooling the VRM's is the most important. On the other hand, you reviewed the ASUS Pro W790 M/B. Interestingly, it has a guide useful for VRM active cooling. In my thought, there may exist the same problem of monitoring VRM and chipset. As you know, the one of the charateristics of overclocking both Chagall Pro and Sapphire Rapids is the tremendous heat generated by VRM & chipset. So, I am very curious about how one can monitor temperatures of VRM and chipset and what is the VRM behavior under overclocking with and without active coolings. As for me, I have a plan of using T-Sensors and a USB hub for those.

[@socialogix]

@theTEchNotice - the Intel x550 dual 10G ports can support 2.5GB, under Windows 11, it's automatically enabled; on Ubuntu, you can use `sudo ethtool -s eth0 speed 2500` to enable (or using `autoneg on` to let it automatically negotiate with the 10G / 2.5G switch.

[@olibertud]

Finally! Some server board. I've seen Sage quite a little while. I don't plan to have one. But it's good to know ;)

[@G0UDG]

There is a version 2 of this motherboard now differences are the latest Bluetooth support and also WiFi 6E on the new one other than that I think it's basically the same as v1

[@arthurpachecodossantos1029]

I have that MB with 256 gskill ram, and 3995wx, a beast! Atm i am buying the pieces to make a custom loop, 3 rads from ekwb, because when I make all cores work, the red blinking light turn on and I need to get an AC in 17ºC to lower temperature. In one month I wil have all pieces and will be able to make it work! Awesome review! Thanks for it!

[@null7936]

Once I emigrated to work in construction to buy a WS Pro. Today I only use second hand computers, old ones, only recently 8Gb ram ones start reaching my hands. I can browse the web, configure a home server and develop so I'm happy. Few weeks ago I notice how things progressed because of A.I. requirements, I felt so poor. I forget about running locally, maybe I will try near future to have with already trained... I don't go back to spend big money on computers, unless I make a lot of money (I doubt).

[@MelissaMasters-eg2wq]

What would you use that many pcie slots for these days ......Evme storage ?????

[@Rokabur]

How long til regular consumer CPU's in the future have as many cores as a top Threadripper has now?

[@Kaesfussjonny]

U.2 Connectors are for PCI-E backplanes in the front of the Servercase where u can plug in NVMe's

[@cbarak72]

u2 ports are used to connect 2,5" nvme drives. Usually these are enterprise drives which have far more TBWs than consumer ones.

[@Mihaicii]

Can you please tell me if I need to connect the two 6-pin power sockets on the bottom as well? I am running this motherboard with 2 x 3090 NVlink, a Threadripper PRO 3975wx and 256 gb of ram. Thank you!

[@HeyHammadAusafi]

This motherboard is a server board, mostly used for servers and high end virtual machines, etc. I have an budget version of these, going back in 2012. I still have my PC built with 512GB Ram, but I don’t use it as much anymore.

[@Behdad47]

Are you going to build a PC (or a server given the specs) with this motherboard? I really want to see how these motherboards work with a beefy GPU in games since we've seen enough of what they're capable of in production and other heavy workloads.

[@Mzansi74]

The Threadripper is a workstation CPU, as used by Engineers, Architects, Mathematicians, etc Ryzen is for gaming and office. Epyc is for servers.

[@Behdad47]

@@Mzansi74 I know. I'm aware of that; however, my curiosity tingles me. I used a Threadripper system for training AI agents in our research lab but, since they wouldn't let us install anything but python libraries, I never got to test them my way.

[@Mzansi74]

@@Behdad47 Cool! Were you running a Linux distro? or Windows? 🙈

[@Mzansi74]

@@Behdad47Must be really cool to see it in action. My day job is corporate IT, all server dev side work. But I do get to "play" with my Ryzen at home - good enough for smallish machine learning and other work loads.

[@Elemino]

You wanted a tip? You should have gotten the second version of this board with WiFi 6E and Precision Boost support. Great mobo overall though. It's what I'm currently running.

[@user-oy4jj2hn5f]

What I did not hear/see of is what kind/category of and how much wattage output power supply unit is recommended.

[@theTechNotice]

1000w minimum is say.

[@worthington5687]

I have two of these, it seems to do everything right. Love it. Have two identical c:\ drives [you just cloned one of them?] Need to boot from the cloned one and couldn't choose between them before? This BIOS tells you which is the cloned drive.

[@shonking35]

Will this work with the amd ryzen thread ripper 7980x

[@nathanbanks2354]

Hmm...there's 7 PCIe x16 slots, so I'd actually like to see 7 4090's in there. How long do they make extension cables? Your breaker can handle 3000 watts, right?

[@michaelarnephie154]

ASUS ROG Rampage V1 Extreme Omega where does it sits?? just asking

[@dol499]

Why many ram size need ? bootstrapcdn of css file. game or util or o/s sw spec set

[@aulusflavius9635]

how about using 1 4090 plugged in with 6, 16x riser cables for 7 total 4090s?

[@adamvolcek9618]

The Intel X550 does indeed support 2.5 and 5gb. In linux and BSD. Windows drivers don't at the moment that I'm aware of.

[@paulvancyber1979]

Pretty nice video mate!!!!! please make a video showing the diferences between i9 or ryzen 9 in bencharks and games!

[@nadtz]

There are tons of gaming channels for that, please leave this one for the creators out there.

[@CDAWWGG43]

The U.2s use sff-8643 cables and go to U.2 NVME drives. If you're feeling frisky go to E-Bay and you can get 8-16 TB U.2 NVME pretty lightly used drives for less than $1,000.

[@DeepLearningTechnologies]

This is a very beautiful motherboard!!

[@oculosprudentium8486]

so can that motherboard run Windows 10 or Windows 11 pro x64 bit?

[@marc3793]

Have you double checked the ethernet speed limitation you mention? I'm fairly sure mine run at 2.5G no problem.

[@tanishazoa138]

Will it run leisure suit Larry?

[@num351]

Crazy system, finish the build!

[@G0UDG]

Hi I have a question can anyone tell me how I remove the io cover on this motherboard to allow me to remove the Bios backup battery I can't find anything that says how to do that I updated the bios to the latest now the pc won't boot I can get into the bios no problem but if I leave it to boot it blue screens with a whea error pressing the CMOS reset button doesn't help bios won't save settings either can anyone help much appreciated thanks in advance

[@seanyancy1809]

Outstanding review of a big boy motherboard.

[@WindRipples-]

Can this motherboard play 720P if it's 60fps though?

[@canfarts784]

so this motherboard has something like idrac?

[@chimantra]

Where can buy that motherboard?

[@JTL1776]

I'm just waiting for a Noctua 4090 OC. And when will we have DDR5 10,000MHZ

[@michaelarnephie154]

Price to build. Can you advise??

[@Ruby_Mochii]

It's not possible to put any gpu or pcie device on the very bottom slot that is more than 1 slot. Not any case I know of but could be wrong. For what reason the 6pin pcie is 90deg I know nothing of but perhaps airflow/clearance for the lowest pcie device.

[@Zetrox123]

You are preety much right, it is similar as HP iLO interace aka you said "another" computer that is in charge of hardware, firmware upgrades etc etc

[@chamimnet]

is 2 tb ram enough for play zuma ?

[@user-iq1zn9lo7q]

Super ! Will there be a review with the installed system ?

[@theTechNotice]

Well there is one already, the most viewed video on the channel ;)

[@user-iq1zn9lo7q]

@@theTechNotice , thank you !

[@robfisher7706]

going to buy two of these for my plex server. is it overkill?

[@provoking3449]

Not at all. With a super speed ISP, you could start your own streaming service and do tons and tons of transcoding

[@garyb8857]

Lets see it running 😊. I wouldnlove to see how it handles DaVinci and Premier VS an i9.

[@aaronlee6821]

It's the Intel W790 chipset and W-3400 Sapphire Rapids Xeon CPU workstation system that I'm interested in seeing reviews of.

[@aarrondias9950]

Darn. I got excited thinking this was a Sapphire Rapids W video.

[@theTechNotice]

It's coming ;)

[@anuragequity7219]

There is second version of this motherboard. Why did u use that?

[@GamingOldDude]

Have you already looked at Gigabyte's Z790 AERO G DDR5 motherboard?

[@Tikewak]

U.2 is for SSDs that can run NVMe speeds through a cable

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Great video.

[@vampiregoat69]

Can it be used to game on?

[@theopszone6775]

Huh wanna see a wd black pcie 4tb on this one. Along with a load of storage. Ssds and hdd... I was also thinking about setting up a serve for my home. So this motherboard can be what I need... Hope you! Throw everything on this board! Showing it's pro and cons and what to look out for in terms of what is loss when a device is in use of a slots. Thanks for the content.

[@Hansen999]

If you don't need the raw processing power of a Threadripper I would suggest you have a look at Epyc instead (AMD's server version of the same size chip) You still get loads of cores, memory and 128 PCI lanes but at a much lower price. The second hand market is pretty good now for good parts

[@stoppo49]

What will be the cost of the Motherboard?

[@ShowXTech]

6:00 The 10Gig ports are connected to an Intel X550-AT2 an not some cheap Aquantia controller

[@rcortez5979]

if thinking about three 4090's in there. The possible way for it will obtaining the igame neptune 4090 or the msi liquid cooled 4090. leaving one slot for the m.2 expansion.

[@williammwangi4439]

Is it possible to pair a 4090 and a workstation graphics card on the same board to allow for both gaming and work?

[@rcortez5979]

@@williammwangi4439 expert saids, they wouldn't recommend it. Its just like same goes to the rams, when a different brand of ram is installed in the mobo with other different rams. So 2 different brands of rams you'll be encountering crashing problems same goes to different brands or different kinds of gpus into your mobo. But actually i only heard it from a rumor and im saying this because it might be legit and havent tested it yet cuz I dont have the money lel. And even if i have i have the cash wouldn't buy it cuz i dont deserve it

[@williammwangi4439]

@@rcortez5979 thanks for the reply....I've not found a video anywhere talking about this subject.

[@kfl611]

I like your accent. This was very well presented, thank you for posting.

[@DesignGame3D]

To answer the question of the U.2 ports: These are ports for connecting HDD SAS 6Gb/s or either SAS 12 Gb/s hard drives and Intel has released SSDs with a U.2 port but saw it didn't work well so they stopped making it, it's over 2 years old

The only "downside" compared to consumer version of this board "TRX40" is that the water sensor and pump connectors are not on this board.

[@thekrustykrabrestaurant]

Whar is 2tb RAM for?

[@alsanderson4917]

Yup, U.2 2.5" SSD Enterprise or Server drives. Each drive has it's own controller. Each drive gets it's own lane. Blazing fast. unlike SATA drives. Once you go U.2, you'll never go back. I have 2 1TB samsung u.2 drives on U.2 PCIe risers in my AMD build. My PC is old. After so many hours, these drives are pulled from high end servers. Some of them are sold on Ebay DIRT CHEAP! Grab a few and experiment with your mobo and setup. Don't forget a few U.2 PCIe adapter cards. Wicked fast and reliable for any old build you have laying around. Quick tip, I had to disable some compatability setting in Bios to get these drives to recognise and boot up. Good luck.

[@Bob_Adkins]

But will it boot faster?

[@cricsportsstatus2306]

3 Rtx 4090 graphics card in one motherboard 🤯😲💥🎉

[@Lukas_Miglioranza]

Build of the year. Build of the year Man! The Computer. The powerful workstation possible in the planet earth. The 64 cores! What do you have to do with the 64 cores? An Hollywood movie? A new OS? A nuclear submarine! What a beast of a machine! The 4 near the sata plugs are all 4 gen 2x2 connectors! I have one in my Ace Max Msi, that you reviewed months ago. Greetings! Ehi, keep us up to-date!

[@mr.o5577]

Does this MoBo have a IPMI?

[@mirgaming5449]

prices??

[@blerblybliggots9801]

What does, "full fat x for bandwidth" mean?

[@stevewilliamson7803]

MicroSD is also used for VMWare

[@bits2646]

Do the W790 review !!!! Another beast of a mobo... Do more workstation boards and builds, there are gaming and "budget gaming" pcs all over yt, be different, do ws or home server or sth... P.S.: U.2 is basically pci-e for 2.5" like intel DC P5800x 2.5", similar connector to SATA and even more to SAS... Connects directly to 4 pci-e lanes

[@mpc365]

Please show how to fit multiple 4090s into this motherboard. 🙏

[@theTechNotice]

Pcie riser cables :)

[@gustavinus]

That onboard SD card is probably for a virtualization OS. Many hypervisors run from a usb stick or SD card.

[@orasmizil9996]

This one blow up the cpu?

[@Lovesthaduckie]

Can it run Crysis and Google Chrome?

[@stoppo49]

I love the Motherboard,I like to have it.

[@TradieTrev]

That's a cool mobo! I remember in my youth pouring all my money into a dual athlon rig but these prices are insane! I could buy a car for that!

[@LinuxGalore]

work stations must have NVMe slots these days, I use at least one as a memory swap drive. I just dont see the advantage of buying very expensive ram sticks when a NVME drive will do the same job.