Why is Water Cooling Better?

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Why does water tend to cool your PC better than air?
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@abood4ever790
@abood4ever790 5 жыл бұрын
After 3 months *WHY YOU SHOULDN’T WATER COOL YOUR PC*
@raawesome3851
@raawesome3851 5 жыл бұрын
They already did that video
@jimbob2088
@jimbob2088 5 жыл бұрын
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@CarlosFlores-pl3lb
@CarlosFlores-pl3lb 5 жыл бұрын
Why I watercool my board, not my steak.
@aliraja1382
@aliraja1382 5 жыл бұрын
@@CarlosFlores-pl3lb why i steak my board not my water cooler
@sbeve_romgers
@sbeve_romgers 5 жыл бұрын
@@raawesome3851 that is the joke
@kevindam1946
@kevindam1946 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a software engineer that got my degree in chemical engineering, where I worked very often with heat capacity and chemical interactions and other thermodynamic concepts. You did a great job explaining these concepts in layman's terms.
@danielromanczuk4123
@danielromanczuk4123 5 жыл бұрын
I like the conflict between this and the main channel video where you proved good air coolers are better...
@MrNotgoth
@MrNotgoth 5 жыл бұрын
The title is clearly clickbait, but the vid overall isn't really saying water cooling is better. Water cooling CAN be better if you want less weight applied to your MB or want less space taken up compared to a large air cooler. But otherwise, it's known that good air-coolers beat out AIOs and custom loops price per dollar
@ordoordo8917
@ordoordo8917 5 жыл бұрын
You do know the difference between an AIO loop and a custom loop? Pay attention to the video, he said at the start water coolers won't reap benefits if you're comparing an AIO to a fanned heatsink. The benefits of watercooling is with custom loops.
@patx35
@patx35 5 жыл бұрын
He did explain that a custom loop is needed to achieve better than air cooled performance. He also explained in the previous video that water cooling is better when the system is under short burst loads.
@sleeptyper
@sleeptyper 5 жыл бұрын
Custom loop practically = bigger radiator. No need for Sherlock Holmes to figure out that it cools better than "just enough" AIO.
@jogeem5480
@jogeem5480 5 жыл бұрын
... Than aio's but custom loop is better so linus shouldn't talk about aio's here at all
@nicksparrow009
@nicksparrow009 5 жыл бұрын
Linus: Watercooling is not getting more performance than air. Also Linus: Watercooling is better! EDIT: Jesus it was just a joke, I know custom is better lol... 89 comments, djees whole internet is raging
@HeyKai
@HeyKai 5 жыл бұрын
well, its more the noise floor im assuming
@madd5
@madd5 5 жыл бұрын
with the same amount of noise watercooling is better
@TheZoonder
@TheZoonder 5 жыл бұрын
@@madd5 lol, no way. They even made a bloody vid about it. Not even Noctua's NHD15, but it's younger little brother outperformed both Corsair's 240 and 360 in noise and in temps. There is no freaking way a AIO is better in noise / thermals than tripple fan NHD15 with LN adapters.
@jyotisarmah7976
@jyotisarmah7976 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheZoonder that is exactly what i was thinking when i saw this video
@nicksparrow009
@nicksparrow009 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheZoonder right!?
@markusTegelane
@markusTegelane 5 жыл бұрын
"But why is water special? Well, there are a lot of things..." Well, that basically sums up water in chemistry...
@conduit64
@conduit64 4 жыл бұрын
@@prospect5446 OR you could go all in with 100% ethanol and replace the water pump with a compressor.
@peacechan4500
@peacechan4500 4 жыл бұрын
@@conduit64 well good luck finding 100% ethanol because it's a pain in the butt to get At this point you should just stick an Air con in your tower
@MekaniQ
@MekaniQ 4 жыл бұрын
@Coi Pansat Boris Made A vodka cooled pc And I am late lol
@chadliampearcy
@chadliampearcy 4 жыл бұрын
Cool your pc with Mercury.
@tfm2934
@tfm2934 3 жыл бұрын
Actually his explanation was based on physics, not chemistry.
@welovfree
@welovfree 5 жыл бұрын
This video should have started like this: Heeey! Techquickie. Linus here.
@j3gg
@j3gg 5 жыл бұрын
But what is water?
@DeeJayFM
@DeeJayFM 5 жыл бұрын
*Vsauce music intensifies*
@F2_CPB
@F2_CPB 5 жыл бұрын
@@j3gg it's a type of metal
@seasesh4073
@seasesh4073 5 жыл бұрын
Wait, I feel I've seen you before? What other channels do you like around in
@AzPlayz1052
@AzPlayz1052 5 жыл бұрын
That's illegal
@Z7RAGE
@Z7RAGE 5 жыл бұрын
Just remove the headphone jack. Boom water proof system.
@Sliznark
@Sliznark 5 жыл бұрын
LOL good one
@rahmathunnisa3448
@rahmathunnisa3448 5 жыл бұрын
Lol that's Apple's 200 IQ move right there...
@nfslunatic199
@nfslunatic199 5 жыл бұрын
Uh speaker and microphone hole
@gryffinporter8767
@gryffinporter8767 4 жыл бұрын
@@nfslunatic199 the speaker and microphones have cages on them, preventing water from getting in
@capito4585
@capito4585 4 жыл бұрын
Gryffin Porter charger port
@jamesh2589
@jamesh2589 4 жыл бұрын
This video was made by a freesciencelessons and Linus bond at the molecule level
@zerotwogaming6924
@zerotwogaming6924 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@jamesh2589
@jamesh2589 4 жыл бұрын
AinsleysSpIcY mEmEs ayyy
@ThirstysURL
@ThirstysURL 4 жыл бұрын
You clearly haven't seen his video trying to debunk water-cooling More like a bonding of views and videos
@eden1925
@eden1925 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'd still go with air, even when OCing. Price to performance seems better, I don't have to worry about radiator mounting and I never have to worry about pump failures or my system getting flooded.
@givemeajackson
@givemeajackson 5 жыл бұрын
i've been doing this for 10 years, i recycle all my parts, and i have never had either a pump die or a leak during actual use (that's why you leak test BEFORE turning the system on). eheim hpps+ from 2008, still going like new. you guys always act like pumps die left and right every 5 minutes and fittings explode every other day... if you're doing soft tubing and aren't a complete moron you're not gonna have leaks. and if you don't buy garbage pumps you're not gonna have dead pumps. i'm not going back to air, especially not on GPUs.
@XDeadzX
@XDeadzX 5 жыл бұрын
@@givemeajackson I had similar experience, until my first pump death a few weeks back after 10 years of flawless. There's a reason there's a warranty on them is all. Won't stop me though.
@Jonathan-fw6ty
@Jonathan-fw6ty 5 жыл бұрын
@@givemeajackson Congrats. Meanwhile, there are some AIO products with 30% failure rate. I guess all those people "got unlucky"... lol
@givemeajackson
@givemeajackson 5 жыл бұрын
@@Jonathan-fw6ty who's talking about AIOs?
@amirdilshad5329
@amirdilshad5329 5 жыл бұрын
Well what if the fan fails
@SomeTechGuy666
@SomeTechGuy666 5 жыл бұрын
Water's thermal capacity isn't really what makes it a good cooling medium. It's thermal conductivity is what allows it to transfer heat from the CPU to the radiator fin. Thermal capacity just slows the temperature rise of the liquid between the CPU and the radiator.
@Sett86
@Sett86 5 жыл бұрын
There are 3 parts to cooling a device: 1) removing the heat from the device 2) moving the heat carrying medium around 3) removing the heat from whatever takes care of 1) and 2) Liquid coolers are very good at 2) and 3), being easily able to utilize several thick radiators they can easily keep the medium just a few degrees above ambient. But they suck balls at 1). Air coolers, or more precisely high end heatpipe coolers, on the other hand, are awesome at 1), but with limited space to dissipate it in place, and prohibitive cost to move it around, they suck at 2) and 3). The guy, who invents flexible enough, durable enough, cheap enough heatpipes to utilize case mounted radiators, is going to be rich (NOT the same radiators that we use for liquid, although that would be awesome too). Also, the end result: It depends. As it is Water can graciously take care of much more heat than air, but air can be more effective for more down to earth use cases.
@oldfrend
@oldfrend 5 жыл бұрын
has no one invented a large water block that encloses heat fins?
@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma
@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma 5 жыл бұрын
@@oldfrend Good question, has anyone? It would be very cool (pun intended) to see one in action.
@dumpsterdawg
@dumpsterdawg 5 жыл бұрын
Seen these guys water cool almost everything you can think of except for the fans themselves......... Next up in our water cooling projects............
@LoFiAxolotl
@LoFiAxolotl 5 жыл бұрын
at LTX 2020 they'll spray water on all the fans there calling it now
@Tahutify
@Tahutify 5 жыл бұрын
The noctua ippc fans can run underwater.
@orangus01
@orangus01 5 жыл бұрын
Water cooling the water cooler
@klensal4559
@klensal4559 5 жыл бұрын
what if you water cool the water itself?
@The_Man_In_Red
@The_Man_In_Red 5 жыл бұрын
@@klensal4559 2000 iq Somebody make a prototype
@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman
@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman 5 жыл бұрын
A good thing about watercooling is that you don't need to change the thermal paste. I am using the same for 3 years and still my CPU never goes above 50ºC, while before the watercooler 50ºC was the normal on standby with a stock cooler.
@Fatty420
@Fatty420 5 жыл бұрын
"...and now we're going to watercool Dennis."
@NicB-Creations
@NicB-Creations 5 жыл бұрын
I support this idea!
@thealaskan1635
@thealaskan1635 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like waterboarding
@igoresque
@igoresque 5 жыл бұрын
@@thealaskan1635 more like enema
@d00dEEE
@d00dEEE 5 жыл бұрын
@@igoresque Depends on which end you plumb as the inlet.
@harbl99
@harbl99 5 жыл бұрын
"Don't overclock me, please Linus!" -- Dennis
@Pienimusta
@Pienimusta 5 жыл бұрын
NH-D15 still outperformes nearly every 240mm AIO for less cost.
@J_G_G_R
@J_G_G_R 5 жыл бұрын
it also has no pump noise
@kristhrasher4858
@kristhrasher4858 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but a custom loop is just the best if you can afford it.
@therevanchist1123
@therevanchist1123 5 жыл бұрын
Corsair H100x beats it at $80 and it’s also massive, has ram clearance issues, and it’s only attractive to a very niche group of people. If you wanted you could get different fans but then the overall cost goes up.
@kristhrasher4858
@kristhrasher4858 5 жыл бұрын
@Kappa with ryzen boost behavoiur and boost of cpus becoming more like gpu boost it is. Also with very high overclocks. Not to mention that it is making a larger difference for gpus.
@WastdTrashPanda
@WastdTrashPanda 5 жыл бұрын
It's also ugly AF
@davislittlepage9458
@davislittlepage9458 5 жыл бұрын
Now we need an updated and in depth custom water cooling loop vid. I'm gonna pull the trigger for my next build. Went from air to closed loop, now I need that custom perf goodness!
@CaveyMoth
@CaveyMoth 5 жыл бұрын
Always remember to water cool your RAM, to tighten those timings.
@deleteduser121
@deleteduser121 5 ай бұрын
I watercooled my headphones now I can listen to music real loud
@AxmanTheGreat
@AxmanTheGreat 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic quick episode, love how you guys are making the science behind technologies easier to understand, way to go!
@InauspiciousGamer
@InauspiciousGamer 5 жыл бұрын
linus: "long gone are the days where your beige box sounds like a jet engine when put through its paces" me: looks at my pc "so whats your excuse?"
@GeorgeMKaneLive
@GeorgeMKaneLive 5 жыл бұрын
Water Cooling CAN be better, in certain builds. if you're overclocking, water clocking is the way to go. If you're into fancy lights, and you remember nothing you were taught growing up (like putting water in an electronic machine), then water cooling is for you! ;) I still use air coolers and I'm a happy camper. Also ;)
@projektsmiley9256
@projektsmiley9256 5 жыл бұрын
Now I have scientific ammo to use when telling my wife why it's important for me to spend hundreds of bucks
@theaudacity8791
@theaudacity8791 5 жыл бұрын
Well, I get why your wife wouldn't let you spend your money on something she thinks is useless. It's just her you know helping. Men don't make the best decisions sometimes. Neither do woman but somehow they hold a lot more power.
@happylittletree1727
@happylittletree1727 5 жыл бұрын
Smiley S U P L E X E S wife with facts and logic
@ElijahPerrin80
@ElijahPerrin80 5 жыл бұрын
Ive always wondered why CPU blocks are missing conductor spikes or heat sinks to increase the surface area with the water to increase heat transfer, most seem to have a texture or are roughed up but interesting thing to test. I like the idea of a remote radiator or even phase change cooling system in a different room to remove the heat and sound.
@matthewdaddino336
@matthewdaddino336 5 жыл бұрын
Never realized that Linus is going to give me Vietnam flashbacks on intermolecular forces
@Paratyphi
@Paratyphi 5 жыл бұрын
You should build a watercooling loop in which water is directly in contact with the CPU. You take a traditional waterblock, put a big hole in it, a seal and do a video about it. It could be a bad (or good) cooling idea.
@ModekaiPL
@ModekaiPL 5 жыл бұрын
I'll still keep the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4, air cooling is more reliable, easy to clean and less expensive than self-build water cooling or AIO
@salami99
@salami99 5 жыл бұрын
same. an im in a mini itx build
@hughdahand5711
@hughdahand5711 5 жыл бұрын
I hear that. I'm using a 10 year old air cooler that has been rock solid dependable the entire time. It keeps my r7 1700 @ 3.8ghz under 55C on a max load and the only time I hear the fans is when I need to blow the dust out of it.
@commongivemeanicknam
@commongivemeanicknam 5 жыл бұрын
Same.
@dnoodspodu1159
@dnoodspodu1159 3 жыл бұрын
02:52 So the pumps do not emit any noise? Interesting...
@arturoreyes533
@arturoreyes533 5 жыл бұрын
Linus can you do a video somehow showcasing how much better diamond is at conducting heat than copper or watter? I find it very crazy and interesting to see the results of a diamond heatsink...
@MalachiTheBowlingGod
@MalachiTheBowlingGod 5 жыл бұрын
"this is because of... HYDROGEN BONDING!!!" And now all I can hear is the father from Monty Python yelling, "tungsten carbide drills!!!"
@supervegito2277
@supervegito2277 5 жыл бұрын
The heat capacity thing is also why summer works the way it works in coastal countries like my own (Nights are warmer near the end of summer due to the surrounding oceans being heated)... or so ive been told.
@pcdeltalink036
@pcdeltalink036 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve always considered doing water cooling both for looks and for function but I’m also very lazy and just slapping a fan on the CPU and being done usually wins.
@Nierez
@Nierez Жыл бұрын
I'm more fearful than lazy. Can't take risks with leaks
@kaleckton
@kaleckton 5 жыл бұрын
As a truck driver I wish there were great ways to have a overclocking laptop with liquid cooling. Even without overclocking liquid cooling on a laptop is great as the air in the semi truck may be hot in the first place.
@thefpsxpert
@thefpsxpert 5 жыл бұрын
Linus: "Air coolers can be just as good if not better than some liquid coolers" Also Linus: "Here's why liquid is better than air for cooling" Me: **visible confusion**
@huma474
@huma474 5 жыл бұрын
One of the other factors that can help determine if you should go Water cooled or not is the environment you are going to run your system in. If you live in a hotter area where ambient temperatures can get pretty warm even with AC going having a Water cooled non over clocked system can actually help to prevent the system from creating extra waste heat due to how efficient the water is at controlling the temperatures - the fans don't need to consume the extra power necessary to spin faster for your system.
@Hobbitstomper
@Hobbitstomper 4 жыл бұрын
Techquickie: Why is Water Cooling Better? Recommendation in sidebar: Why you shouldn't water cool your PC (by LTT))
@amjay9963
@amjay9963 5 жыл бұрын
Modern air coolers have heat pipes with liquid in them. So, they are in fact partially liquid coolers as well. The difference is that heat pipes cannot be extended or bent so that you can place the large flat radiator on the right place in the case.
@nogghan4637
@nogghan4637 5 жыл бұрын
2:00 you obviously haven't seen my air cooler which is actually my profile picture...
@skeletor204
@skeletor204 4 жыл бұрын
After a year of AP chem, I am obliged to tell you that you described dipole-dipole forces. Hydrogen bonding is what gives water such high specific heat capacity, but Hydrogen bonding is kind of a weird concept that Chemists made up to describe a pattern we observe but don’t understand.
@gsonz172
@gsonz172 5 жыл бұрын
"Water coolers are generally quieter" The water cooler of my friend is louder than my air cooler 😂
@XOmniverse
@XOmniverse 5 жыл бұрын
"generally" "I found one specific example to the contrary"
@stronkveak5917
@stronkveak5917 5 жыл бұрын
yeah, but that is probably because you are both idiots.
@jogeem5480
@jogeem5480 5 жыл бұрын
I'm yet to see an aio that beats an nhd 15
@Liu-Bang
@Liu-Bang 5 жыл бұрын
Water coolers are definitely not generally quieter. Air coolers only have the noise of the air moving and the fans. The water cooler has the noise of fans, air moving, and pump
@TheHavocInferno
@TheHavocInferno 5 жыл бұрын
@@Liu-Bang with the same fans being used and a properly throttled pump, an AIO and an air cooler will make the same noise, aka that of the fans. If your AIO pump is noisy, it's either running unthrottled or is defective. I've done watercooling - both custom loops and AIOs - for years now, and none of my setups had any discernible pump noise
@xephorce
@xephorce 5 жыл бұрын
I got myself a beast of a water cooling setup all used from eBay. for $60 bucks I got enough to run 2 loops if I wanted. so never be afraid to check out used parts.
@holo6883
@holo6883 5 жыл бұрын
Dark pro 4: **Laughs in 0% chance of destroying everything within your case's radius with green liquids**
@Ghastly10
@Ghastly10 5 жыл бұрын
The one thing with water cooling more so the custom built types would be maintenance, the hassle of having to pull your system apart every so often.. Then there are the chances for failures such as pump, seals and so on..
@hmm3527
@hmm3527 5 жыл бұрын
Linus is the reason i have a gaming pc right now! Been watching for years now, thank U linus and your whole team❤️
@trankgonotryatmojo2942
@trankgonotryatmojo2942 5 жыл бұрын
The key is airflow! Don't forget now we have to cool down VRM too. Instead of focusing heat on CPU, now we have to focusing flowing fresh air. Generally i set up 3 fan out, 1 in. And these set up help my system cool down 2-3 degree if 3 fan in 1 fan out.
@Lambretta_G
@Lambretta_G 5 жыл бұрын
*laughs in noctua d15
@oplkfdhgk
@oplkfdhgk 5 жыл бұрын
i laugh in Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT + noctua fan :P
@jake20479
@jake20479 5 жыл бұрын
i was literally going to write this exact comment lmao.
@p0xygen
@p0xygen 5 жыл бұрын
Laughs in stock cooler
@Lambretta_G
@Lambretta_G 5 жыл бұрын
@Brian looks arent everything. Enjoy having to replace your AIO in 5 years (at best) because it will start underperforming, or maintain your custom loop very often. Meanwhile I will keep my D15 to my death, worst case scenario a fan dies and I will replace it, but lets be real, noctua fans dont die.
@jake20479
@jake20479 5 жыл бұрын
@Brian when you care more about looks than performance... lmao. okay. to each its own.
@euanthompson
@euanthompson 4 жыл бұрын
Still using my be quiet slim and have not had a heat issue even though it is over clocked. Air cooling may not always be as good in many people's opinion, but I am happy with it.
@theunboxingexperience3480
@theunboxingexperience3480 5 жыл бұрын
I actually regretted buying 2 AIOs. I would go for air cooling when my AIOs stop working
@aaaman7
@aaaman7 5 жыл бұрын
The Unboxing Experience why? do tell.
@Trifler500
@Trifler500 5 жыл бұрын
High end air coolers are quieter and simpler than custom liquid cooling, and even AIOs. The only genuine downside is if you move your computer around the heavy heatsink can be problematic, but if you don't move your computer, then the air cooler is the premium experience.
@theunboxingexperience3480
@theunboxingexperience3480 5 жыл бұрын
@@aaaman7 As mentioned by Linus, there are actually air coolers like the Noctua NH-D15 that perform better than many water coolers and even though it's relatively more expensive than the other air coolers out there, it's about the same price as an AIO. On top of that, it is so much easier to tell if the fans of the air cooler are spoiling as compared to the pump of an AIO, which brings me to the third point. An AIO, with an additional pump (on top of the fans that are connected to the radiator), has more components that are subjected to wear and tear and failure. Bonus point: It is cheaper owning an air cooler like the Noctua NH-D15 than an AIO in the long run as all you have to replace on an air cooler are the fans when they eventually spoil but you'll have to practically replace the entire AIO when the AIO fails to work. So that's 4 reasons why I would much rather have bought an air cooler than an AIO. Hope it helps you understand.
@753238
@753238 5 жыл бұрын
@@theunboxingexperience3480 +leakage probability increasing overtime, ohh boi
@theunboxingexperience3480
@theunboxingexperience3480 5 жыл бұрын
@@753238 That too
@BitterCynical
@BitterCynical 5 жыл бұрын
Water is an intermediary step between the air and the hot heatsink copper. The specific heat capacity of copper is 0.385 J/g°C while water is 4.179 J/g°C The density of copper is 8960 kg/m³ while water is 997 kg/m³ If my math is any good that means that water holds about 1.2 times more heat in the same volume of space than copper. Perhaps more importantly water is easy to spread out over a larger surface area of a multi fan radiator than designing a combination of heat pipes and fin stacks that's efficient both thermally and in space requirements. Worth mentioning. Air density is roughly 1.2 kg/m³ water has 830 times more mass than the same volume of air. When it comes to specific heat capacity air is 1.01 J/g°C or about 4 times less than water. So water can act as a very easy to use buffer to store up the heat from spikes of high wattage, doing the same with just copper, aluminium and heat pipes is much harder and typically results in more bursty high RPM work for the fans. Aluminum heat capacity is 0.902 J/g°C and density is 2700 kg/m3 which I think results in roughly 1.7 times less heat capacity per unit of volume than water.
@nerovanguard846
@nerovanguard846 5 жыл бұрын
This felt like a scishow video than Linus when he started the chemistry lesson Nice vid, though, love it
@thefirehawk1495
@thefirehawk1495 5 жыл бұрын
Water cooling is not better because better is a relative concept and encompasses various domains other than performance. I prefer longevity, safety and low cost over a few more mhz. That said, for the price of a decent 2 fan AIO, if you were to add it to the cost of your cpu or gpu, you could probably afford an upgrade which would give you more performance than an overclock.
@ameyd3728
@ameyd3728 5 жыл бұрын
*Takes arts to escape chemistry & play PC games* Chemistry : I'm inevitable 1:09
@gabrielclark1425
@gabrielclark1425 4 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine it's because it's possible to more fully seal the interior of from the outside, which helps keep it clean and thus can safely run at higher performance?
@mishanyamishanya6311
@mishanyamishanya6311 4 жыл бұрын
"Why is Water Cooling Better?" the "up-next" video: Why you shouldn't water cool your pc Make up your mind, Linus. Also, wasn't he head of the water-cooling department at NCIX?
@sergetheijspartner2005
@sergetheijspartner2005 3 жыл бұрын
I am a gamer But I do not overclock and I use watercooling and here is my reasoning on it: I worked in Quality control at Philips Electronics for years, one test was the lifespan test, How do we know a device will last for 10 years in only 1 year? Well we make use of a physics law that is so easy they will not teach you this in schools or universities, the law is simple, heat up anything for 10 degrees celsius and every Physical and chemical process will speed up by a factor of 2, so we tested these devices in huge walk in ovens that where like a dry sauna at 80 degrees Celsius, that is like an average of 50 degrees, or 5 times 10 degrees or 5 times 2 the normal physical speed of lifetime, in most countries during the summer days meaning 1 year is actually 10 years. So when someone explained it to me I asked, does this also work in reverse? Like 10 degrees colder makes my lifespan 2 times longer and it turns out it does, which resulted in my 10 year old PC, still performing at high speeds way after the intended 5 years most things last.
@MichaelBerthelsen
@MichaelBerthelsen 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone remember the video from a few months ago when LTT concluded that watercooling did nothing compared to good air coolers...?😅
@jordanski5421
@jordanski5421 5 жыл бұрын
They took a physics class since then
@MichaelBerthelsen
@MichaelBerthelsen 5 жыл бұрын
@@jordanski5421 How did taking a physics class change the actual data from the testing...?
@jordanski5421
@jordanski5421 5 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelBerthelsen It doesn't change the results at all it just shows that they were flawed. Like Linus said in this video water and the other liquids used in liquid cooling have a much higher thermal capacity than the metals used in air coolers. The only way an air cooler could actually have a higher thermal capacity than a water cooler is if it was of higher quality. I think that explains why Linus's team got the results that they did in their previous video.
@MichaelBerthelsen
@MichaelBerthelsen 5 жыл бұрын
@@jordanski5421 They used quality air coolers and quality water coolers in the test. Neither cooling SYSTEM has a higher or lower heat capacity. The water has a higher heat capacity, which means it heats up more slowly. But if you're removing enough heat (in watts) using the quality air cooler, having a water cooler won't make a lick of difference. It may slow down the rise to max temp., but it'll reach the same max temp as air over a period of an hour or so. And I doubt most people use their PC's for only an hour at a time before letting it cool down to ambient.
@thefpsxpert
@thefpsxpert 5 жыл бұрын
Corsair probably paid them off to make this apology video LMAO
@Kdjoao
@Kdjoao 5 жыл бұрын
I love custom watercooling. Its so much fun if you know what you are doing
@Alaphour
@Alaphour 5 жыл бұрын
I just learned this in Chemistry class so it made more sense
@sfotbnandenmea
@sfotbnandenmea 5 жыл бұрын
Don't wake me up from the chemistry lesson
@androsforever500
@androsforever500 5 жыл бұрын
I bought a 240mm watercooling kit from iTek and put it on my 1080ti, used to hit 90 degrees 100% fan stable at 1760-1860 core under load, now I can hit a stead 2063 core without going over 57 degrees with fans going only at 65%. Put a fan to blow on the VRMs. My case is cooler also for my stock ryzen 5 3600 so it doesn't go over 74 degrees under load and MUCH quieter. AMAZING upgrade for 43 euro (bought it on sale from amazon).
@pietroalessandrini
@pietroalessandrini 5 жыл бұрын
Didn't you prove in like, two different videos, that air coolers always did better in your tests?
@Bryan-hv8td
@Bryan-hv8td 5 жыл бұрын
Or paid by noctuha to say that air is better. you ever notice he recommends one brand of cooler /fans noctuha... he's a sellout he will recommend what ever he's paid to
@jessiejames1681
@jessiejames1681 5 жыл бұрын
@@Bryan-hv8td Linus isn't wrong though. The Noctua d15 still outperforms most water coolers.
@fonzi0243
@fonzi0243 5 жыл бұрын
@@Bryan-hv8td I would say that is literally because they are the best.... Just a tough shit situation
@Matoro-wp9hy
@Matoro-wp9hy 5 жыл бұрын
For all of the people in the comments yelling at Linus for how this contradicts the LTT video from a while back, that video was referring to the raw performance and noise of AIOs vs air coolers. Not Custom loops vs air coolers.
@ae112r
@ae112r 5 жыл бұрын
*TL;DR:* In 99% of cases, it's not. Air coolers are cheaper, quieter, perform identically and have less points of failure. Sure, water is better on paper, but in reality... just go air.
@fragalot
@fragalot 5 жыл бұрын
So the one thing you forgot to mention about AIOs is they tend to last about 5-7 years because the pump will eventuality fail, and the liquid inside will get mucked up. Air-coolers last forever (and some are also liquid cooled with vapor chambers), though the fan on an air cooler will eventually fail, they are easily and cheaply replaceable, unlike the water pump of an AIO and they aren't really repairable anyway. There's also a huge price difference between AIOs and air-coolers too, and I'm not willing to spend $150 for something that last 5 years, when all the other components in my PC have lasted for much longer.
@tallpaul9475
@tallpaul9475 5 жыл бұрын
Change the title to "Why is CUSTOM Water Cooling Better? (AIO still sucks)", to be less confusing and conflicting with an earlier video made it sound like air cooling methods were better.
@stilles342
@stilles342 5 жыл бұрын
So, I think there is another advantage of AIO/Custom loops: Even if a water cooled system gets a few degrees hotter after hours of gaming, it will take a loooong time to reach maximum temps. And also it doesen't reach low temps very/super fast after ending a demanding task (like gaming). This allows the components to expand and contract much slower and therefore more gentle. The expansion/contraction cycles are not as abrupt as with an air cooler, which dissipates it's heat very fast, due to it's direct cooling of the heatsink. I think this might be more gentle to the solder, thermal paste and ultimately the components as a whole. Please prove me wrong.
@Midknight0122
@Midknight0122 5 жыл бұрын
Me: does material science for a living Also me: still avidly listening to Linus explain permanent dipoler nature of water Linus missed a trick not becoming a teacher, or maybe he didn't considering what he must earn. oh and water is better at dealing with heat spikes due to heat capacity of water, for steady load air is as good or better, in fact they said as much in a previous vid.
@12Emilos12
@12Emilos12 5 жыл бұрын
Heat capacity only matters for the transient periods of heating. During steady state the only thing that matters is how well you can get heat from the cpu to the radiator/fins and away from the radiator/fins to the air. Both water and heat pipes are good at moving heat, so you just want a really large area of fins/radiator and lots of air flow. With water cooling you can keep adding radiator and basically get the return water to reach ambient temperature. This is very expensive though.
@AJD...
@AJD... 5 жыл бұрын
One day Linus will turn 50 years old with grey hair. I'm not ready for that day
@MichaelHarto
@MichaelHarto 4 жыл бұрын
And he would still be wishy washy about air and water cooling.
@Skaytacium
@Skaytacium 5 жыл бұрын
Linus : Watercooling is better Autoplay : Is watercooling better?
@Steffsh
@Steffsh 5 жыл бұрын
Bruh I only do mayonnaise cooling
@asrock2577
@asrock2577 5 жыл бұрын
mayonnaise is really flexible! it is used for cooling computers as well as making music? that's so cool :D
@BigManator
@BigManator 5 жыл бұрын
I am also a fan of cooling with instruments
@scottyhaines4226
@scottyhaines4226 5 жыл бұрын
I do conditioner cooling. It conditions my CPU to perform better.
@Bloomsberrybubble
@Bloomsberrybubble 4 жыл бұрын
Thats too mild, try mustard cooling.
@ToddHoward3
@ToddHoward3 4 жыл бұрын
I use hot sauce since it’s has a high heat capacity
@Noise-Bomb
@Noise-Bomb 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats a nice custom watercooling loop. The longevity beats almost everything else and you can use it for almost every computer in the future.
@notmkay
@notmkay 5 жыл бұрын
i thought i was watching LTT so i held my finger above right arrow key to skip the sponsor segway for 3 whole minutes
@niina83
@niina83 5 жыл бұрын
Look up sponsorblock on googleplay store, its also available on firefox, saves you the headache :)
@nicoletelovejoy5565
@nicoletelovejoy5565 5 жыл бұрын
Calain How does that work?
@niina83
@niina83 5 жыл бұрын
@@nicoletelovejoy5565 it's pretty user based, check it out if you're curious (i personally just started using it a few days ago, found it really nice)
@chimchimcharoo56
@chimchimcharoo56 5 жыл бұрын
these transitions to the commercials are absolute gold!
@Nono-shap
@Nono-shap 5 жыл бұрын
Bruh. You literally did a video comparing the standard in each category (NHD15 & H100i) and found that air cooling works better. I'm confused now.
@bobjackson4287
@bobjackson4287 4 жыл бұрын
Okay there is a few things here, he was comparing a NH-D15 to a 120mm AIO. Most will never recommend a 120mm AIO including myself the radiator is just too small on them to be worth it. The NH-D15 is the best air cooler out there and it stands up with 240mm rads. It takes the massive 360mm AIO's to straight beat it like the NZXT x72. So it typically goes like this: (extreme OC solutions) Direct application LHe > Direct application LN2 > Direct application CO2 > Phase Change > Peltier (Termoelectric cooling) behind a custom loop > (normal solutions) Custom loop > 360mm AIO > 240mm AIO / NH-D15 > 120mm AIO / Other sinks like Evo212 > Garbage coolers like Wraith or Intel stock. Overall water is better than air cooling as water has much higher thermal density. This is the reason why many things from most car engines to nuclear power plants go the water route for cooling. One huge advantage of a radiator is literally carrying the heat away from the system.
@AJD...
@AJD... 5 жыл бұрын
Heat capacity. Come on Linus. You could have at least said the correct term. #specificHeat
@asafcohen3562
@asafcohen3562 4 жыл бұрын
Pajeet
@juzujuzu4555
@juzujuzu4555 5 жыл бұрын
Noctua NH DH-15 and you don't ever have to buy a new cooler. It works eternity, it cools better than most AIO water coolers, it has lower noise, it won't leak, and having the best air cooler allows your CPU to use less energy. This saves you money, allows better overclocking, allows longer life for the CPU, Motherboard and PSU. Air cooling also cools down RAM and components that deliver power to your CPU. I had really expensive custom loop, but then my pump crashed and I either had to wait for a two weeks or buy air cooler at the same day. I bought the Noctua NH DH-15 and I was stunned at it's performance. It's really worth the money in the long run. Water cooling really isn't. Also you should buy really high quality PSU. It is more efficient, gives cleaner electricity which wears the components less, and cause less heat, and possibly even better overclocking. And good PSUs work eternity.
@Felix-ve9hs
@Felix-ve9hs 5 жыл бұрын
_Because it isn`t_
@WarriorsPhoto
@WarriorsPhoto 5 жыл бұрын
Love the science behind this video sir. I was very impressed with your teams work to write a good scientific article about water vs. air cooling. (:
@Minitomate
@Minitomate 5 жыл бұрын
Water cooling it's better if you download more RAM, CPU and graphics. If not, stick to your potato mayonnaise regular cooling system.
@davidgriffin79
@davidgriffin79 5 жыл бұрын
It's not the size (thermal mass) of the heatsink that's important it's how much surface area it has. A heatsink with good thermal conductivity (copper) will quickly spread heat energy throughout its mass. If there's sufficient surface area and forced convection, the heat sink will quickly reach a steady-state condition with a ΔT between the CPU and ambient surrounding air. A large thermal mass heatsink, but with less surface area (due to fewer fins) will reach a steady state but at at higher temperature (smaller ΔT). Forced convection of air over the heat sink increases the Heat Transfer Coefficient (HTC), as the HTC is a function of flow rate; and the more surface area, the more heat energy can be transferred to the surrounding air. The old Zalman jet engine type heatsinks are an example of a high surface area heatsink.
@oplkfdhgk
@oplkfdhgk 5 жыл бұрын
i mean technically even air coolers are watercoolers because of heatpipes :P
@YCrCb444
@YCrCb444 5 жыл бұрын
Most heat pipes do not have anything in them. It is just a tube.
@grlmgor
@grlmgor 5 жыл бұрын
@@YCrCb444 They have a gas in them.
@MihzvolWuriar
@MihzvolWuriar 5 жыл бұрын
Either better performance or lower noise, both are good reasons for getting a water cooler, my old rig came with a extremely noisy air cooler, I still blame it my current ear problems on it (it sat at my left, my left ear have lower performance than my right ear, ant it still have noises [ringing and white noises] they're manageable though), took me too long to realize the benefit of a water cooler, bought one, no more noise, very quiet year around, quieter than the cooler on summer, never overclocked it, though.
@togapi8292
@togapi8292 5 жыл бұрын
last time i was this early they didnt have clickbait thumbnails.
@jacobkelley257
@jacobkelley257 5 жыл бұрын
You should mention thermal conductivity as well since generally metals conduct heat much better (according to wiki) but like you said, they don't hold as much heat. So if they are both heat soaked the metal air cooler should dissipate the heat quicker
@jerrythefish1622
@jerrythefish1622 5 жыл бұрын
Too bad you proved yourself that air cooling is just as effective
@rnegoro1
@rnegoro1 5 жыл бұрын
And less risky.
@jerrythefish1622
@jerrythefish1622 5 жыл бұрын
@Alexander Deris if it starts to leak then water plus electronics does not mix well
@cubanamerican22
@cubanamerican22 3 жыл бұрын
Pro HVAC tech tip, if you have water cooling beef up your water pump, extend (and insulate) your pipes and set your radiator in front of an AC vent in line with the flow of the air. Voilá! Your CPU will be cool in many ways lol
@skott199
@skott199 5 жыл бұрын
No need to watch short answer: Water steals heat 20-25 times faster than air.
@skott199
@skott199 5 жыл бұрын
Simple
@LoFiAxolotl
@LoFiAxolotl 5 жыл бұрын
@@skott199 Diamond is one of the best heat conductors... maybe we should put some diamonds in there
@skott199
@skott199 5 жыл бұрын
@@LoFiAxolotlSounds good why don't they invent diamond cooling :)
@LoFiAxolotl
@LoFiAxolotl 5 жыл бұрын
@@skott199 they already did! There's thermal paste with diamonds in it!
@skott199
@skott199 5 жыл бұрын
@@LoFiAxolotl Didn't know that. I only know basics about computer parts.
@АлексейГриднев-и7р
@АлексейГриднев-и7р 5 жыл бұрын
The best way is to attach your water pipes to the radiator in your room, will work marvellously during winter! 😀
@ProRobloxMoreYT
@ProRobloxMoreYT 5 жыл бұрын
first
@fliqpythekiller9950
@fliqpythekiller9950 5 жыл бұрын
Congratz
@TheWizard45134
@TheWizard45134 5 жыл бұрын
Epic
@notadweeb1074
@notadweeb1074 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping me pass my chem subject.
@Deses
@Deses 5 жыл бұрын
This was your best LTT Shop segway to date!
@savagezone2714
@savagezone2714 5 жыл бұрын
Summer time is when the AIO is good for me in upstate NY. it gets pretty hot. even with A/C in the window.
@stahpitt8531
@stahpitt8531 5 жыл бұрын
I would definitely say that Evaporative cooling plays a much larger role in why a swimming pool remains cold than why you stated in the video.
@clarityhandle
@clarityhandle 3 жыл бұрын
"But why is water cooling better?" **Proceeds to give chemistry lecture**
@fracturedraptor7846
@fracturedraptor7846 4 жыл бұрын
TLDR. Water cool if you overclock. The higher heat capacity will keep temperatures down while traditional coolers take longer to dissipate the heat at those levels, excluding the outliers like the DH-15. Went with a sealed AIO for the CPU on my new build because it looks sexy. Probably would get the same temperature control with a DH-15 but I was worried about torque. The 2080 ti isn't exactly a light weight. Remember the days when a GPU was hardly bigger than the 56k modem boards?
@brdl6192
@brdl6192 5 жыл бұрын
Loooove the little chemic elaboration!!!
@mazinalmanthari3148
@mazinalmanthari3148 5 жыл бұрын
Why am I seeing physics, chemistry, biology, economics, business, art, history, geography, English language and literature, accounting, IT, Chinese language, maths, house cleaning, shaving and meowing all for some water.
@tungstenwall474
@tungstenwall474 5 жыл бұрын
'What you should water cool-' Me: "NEVER!" *Uses 200x2 140x2 fans, making case into wind tunnel*
@bobahit3924
@bobahit3924 2 жыл бұрын
I learned here more than school
@DikkieDikism
@DikkieDikism 5 жыл бұрын
For overclock reasons its "generally" better. For normal use so without overclocking and just standard CPU settings and turbo settings, an air cooler is actually pretty good and if a good brand usually even quieter.
@kcStranger
@kcStranger 5 жыл бұрын
So, I got my doctorate with a theoretical chemistry research group that spent a lot of time studying water. The explanation of hydrogen bonding and water's high heat capacity in this video is far from complete (as it needed to be), but I was pleased to find that it was essentially correct.
@umeriqbal5406
@umeriqbal5406 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man, as you've plenty of knowledge in chemistry, i was wondering if it is possible to do a lab grown cocaine?
@techbuildspcs
@techbuildspcs 2 жыл бұрын
@@umeriqbal5406 lmao
@TheRoboticLlama
@TheRoboticLlama 4 жыл бұрын
6:27 pools feel cold because water is such a great thermal conductor compared to air that even at slightly below body temperature, heat quickly flows from your body into the water resulting in a lower point of temperature equilibrium on your body
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