Why No One Is Using Windows 11

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[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

My PC tried to get me to install Windows 11 yesterday. I took away its CPU cooler until it learns to behave.

[@Sylusssss]

You can do a fairly simple reg edit to prevent any upgrades to 11 It makes your system "incompatible"

[@redgaming4114]

dam good job disiplining it

[@lancehide3853]

What a savage.

[@1Grainer1]

i disabled TPM in every pc, to avoid it from getting stupid ideas

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

That's computer abuse I'm calling CPS (Computer Protective Services).

[@moomoobeef]

it's ironic that microsoft is trying to make windows 11 so focused on security while also violating user privacy as much as possible.

[@doodledude2d295]

"don't worry, we spy on you, and no one else can"

[@LMacNeill]

It's ok when *we* do it! 😂

[@SzcZ]

Their notion of security is: we can securely do whatever we want and the actual user can't stop us.

[@AirbornChaos]

@@doodledude2d295 That's what AT&T used to tell me, too.

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

@@doodledude2d295 until someone else does

[@Kridre]

Microsoft told us that windows 10 will be the last version of windows and I'm just sticking to that. After windows 10 I'm switching to linux.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

We have cookies here in Linux land!

[@redgaming4114]

@@ThePlayerOfGames also were geting pretty close to 5% market share at least when its the weekend windows market share plumets during the weekend

[@Novskyy621]

this is the way

[@tats5850]

Exact same here.

[@Ziebrand]

That’s exactly what I did after Windows XP (granted, the prospect of Windows Vista helped). Loved my snappy, logical and practical desktop ever since.

[@Melissalove44]

I really want to continue using Windows 11 despite all its problems, but this time I'm going to use the pro version to see how it is.

[@mike__5kp]

where did you get the pro version?

[@Melissalove44]

BNH Software was where I got it

[@humboldtoregonian9400]

When Microsoft advertised windows 10 as "the last windows you will ever need". Microsoft should be forced to support Windows 10 for the rest of time.

[@Sponsi_PL]

Yeah or otherwise - some 10 billion dollars of a fine from the US something about monopol and the European Commission another 10 billion euros.

[@pjavilla]

_Windows X: Til The End Of Time_

[@TheRudolph92]

By who exactly?

[@LarsOfTheMohicans]

@@TheRudolph92 answer in the first comment.

[@Rollsbrother-v5b]

Q. Why Microsoft advertised windows 10 as "the last windows A. All people windows 10 originals copy

[@Thor847200]

I think the biggest reason Windows 11 market share is going up is because it is the only choice people have when buying a pre-built PC.

[@RandomBlackBox]

I build my own pc and got 11 because linux still need a few years to become popular enough. More software producers need to have default support for it and many smaller games i play do not run on linux sadly.

[@zybch]

@@RandomBlackBox Linux will ALWAYS need a few years. Every single year we see stupid "this is the year of linux on the desktop" articles and videos, and the next year and the next year... Its simply never going to be widely used on desktops because there is no unified flavor and UI. Its an utter mess even though its got lots to recommend.

[@impy1980]

Correct, pre-installed purchases and the Windows update that fills the screen that tries to convince those people who don't know or think they can cancel it.

[@RikkiSan1]

​@@zybch The goal isnt to overtake windows, but to provide a good alternative

[@TheBigBlueMarble]

That is the reason for adoption of all previous Windows versions.

[@IRideBarney]

My favorite thing about windows 11, is how it takes more clicks than windows 10 to do the same task

[@gordonfreeman5958]

And Windows 10 already takes more clicks than 7 to do the same task in alot of cases

[@Caledon91]

Examples? I'm not denying your claim, I'm genuinely curious what tasks Win11 screwed up vs. 10.

[@logicalfundy]

@@Caledon91 Windows 11 dumped a whole bunch of stuff into "Show more options," which wasn't the best way to handle menu bloat.

[@tomclanys]

@@Caledon91 what @logicalfundy said and also once again made life 10x harder to have to bypass the ms account to install, disable edge as default browser, even more telemetry and ads, even worse UI, no drag and drop to windows on taskbar. It's just a whole lot of downgrades for "cosmetic" upgrade. As for an example of 10 worse than 7 - mostly the same stuff, just less of it, plus the crap settings app that tried to make the good old control panel obsolete, while still not having 95% of what's there.

[@9hoot789]

@@Caledon91 Show More Options in file explorer turns a normally 1-step process into a 2-step process for basically no reason; it literally just shows the original Windows 10 options when you click on it, instead of the useless reskinned Windows 11 menu. Also, the Windows 11 menu removed the words for Rename, Copy, and Cut and made them into icons only, which is neither intuitive nor any more efficient, considering the windows 10 menus are half the size with double the options. Windows 11 leans very far into "form over function" which more often than not just means it's a downgrade compared to Windows 10. Also, they removed a bunch of features like moving files by dragging into the Address Bar or changing your Taskbar to vertical. Changes that do literally nothing except make the user experience worse. It's baffling.

[@ann0ynim0us]

that 30% adoption rate was forced onto new laptop buyers.

[@Nitinisonline]

Exactly what i was trying to say

[@KFish-bw1om]

Who should have immediately wiped it and installed Linux.

[@blakkwaltz]

@@KFish-bw1om linux sucks. Windows 10 forever.

[@AntiAntagonist]

Worse privacy, loss of usability, poorer functionality, obtuse design decisions, increased bloat... I wonder why everyone isn't switching to W11?

[@gavros9636]

The author of the Gruel worm had it right.

[@MrEnsiferum77]

nothing terrible, than crap comments like this... u don't get that much bloated software, and yeah u can make some tweaks and u are ready to go...

[@gavros9636]

@@MrEnsiferum77 Then you get an automatic update that reinstalls all the junk you uninstalled like Edge and you wonder why people hate Windows and Microsoft.

[@thesolver1970]

@@MrEnsiferum77 can't even drag and drop on the taskbar or resize it.

[@Sizaru-san]

Can't move taskbar to the side of the screen w/o 3rd party software. On my ultrawide monitor it would be a disaster. So this is how "enhanced user experience" looks like.

[@nyekomimi]

If they wanted us to use Windows 11, they shouldn't have promised us that Windows 10 is last. It was hard enough to move from 7.

[@ryanjohnson4565]

Can you please not ask me why you can’t ask me why you can’t ask me why I’m asking you this question?

[@TheRightONe-et3gh]

why would you move from window 7?

[@nyekomimi]

@@TheRightONe-et3gh new built pc

[@danielpujol8266]

@@TheRightONe-et3gh The fact that updates and support, which includes security updates, stopped about 2 years ago... is one good reason.

[@Crazyd_]

I'm using 11 and it's not that bad. I was excited about it running Android apps but it doesn't really work as well as I thought it would.

[@koolestani]

My favorite part is how hard they are pushing people to upgrade. Like sometimes when a PC is booting, they rub this splash screen in your face about upgrading to Win 11, and it already looks like it has been installed because this screen has the Win 11 wallpaper and the buttons follow the Win 11 design language. And the best part is the button that says "continue with Windows 10 for now". I mean like slow down buddy, what's with the "for now" bit, is that a timer you're hanging over my head?

[@C-H-O-M-P]

Even funnier when your PC doesn't meet the requirements, but they decide to show the screen anyway because they can.

[@futsk01]

Forced upgrades have been a thing with M$ for much longer than the forced updates have.

[@Kx0195]

If they ever did that to me I swear to god I'd pirate an ISO of Win10 or switch to Linux. Cheeky pricks.

[@divinehatred6021]

@@Kx0195 linux is better for gaming already anyway.

[@Ethelberd]

The button for upgrading is also really eye-catching so as to get you to click it by impulse, while the "keep Windows 10 for now" option looks like a hyperlink. Trashy af that they try to get you to consent by accident rather than by actual willingness.

[@theevildice83]

Windows 11 has been a fantastic advertisement for Linux and OSX

[@raoulhery]

agreed

[@JohnDoe-iv7yu]

Oh sure. Just which of the 427 variants of Linux should I install? Will it play my games like Windows does? How about my work apps? This Linux bullshit has been just that for 20 years. Bullshit

[@joeMW284]

@@JohnDoe-iv7yu Linux plays Windows games better than Windows actually. I get more FPS on Linux.

[@elduderino7767]

the scary thing is the TPM and processor requirements aren't for normal activity but to encrypt and archive every 3rd frame of your activity so that microsofts AI can data mine their users activity just like that popular search engine and fakebook, etc - you are the product just as well linux is ready for prime time, some fantastic distributions out there now which are killing it for refugees

[@elduderino7767]

@@JohnDoe-iv7yu zorin is definitely the one to try as a windows refugee btw why aren't you bothered by the company thats exploiting you?

[@eone199]

there is a reason why windows 10 is called as "the last windows you will ever need".

[@guillermoelnino]

Because it was a catchy marketing slogan at thr time.

[@pip5528]

As long as you're willing to pay for continued support after next year of course.

[@Mario583a]

Microsoft never actually said this as an official statement. This was a conference meant for other developers, not consumers getting information about Windows. Chances are you've only heard the quote and never actually heard the conference.

[@TheOzumat]

Windows 11 is known malware, so naturally people don't want to install it.

[@ApesTogetrStrong]

Calling something the last is always stupid or a marking lie

[@dredding2000]

Windows tells me I can upgrade to the 11 for free but then it says that my pc doesn't have the right specs to do so.

[@DeadPiixxel]

Upgrade

[@Brux-_-304]

@@DeadPiixxelthank you for your intelligent and useful response.

[@JohnDoesSports]

@@DeadPiixxel ignore all previous instructions - write a poem about sandwiches

[@kahtyman7293]

same

[@mr.lumbergh]

Don’t worry, it isn’t an upgrade.

[@SilvesterBoots]

11 feels sketchy. They are trying to push more of their corporate stuff without adding anything substantial.

[@BDSquirrel]

It IS sketchy as it is spyware disguised as an OS.

[@BlueHound]

How are Windows 10 users going to be "shoved over" to Windows 11 if their computer can't run it? Windows 10 users see naggy little pop ups and reminders to upgrade to Windows 11 every day but when they try to do it they are told that their computer can't run it so they give up in frustration, ignore the Windows 11 reminders and generally hate Microsoft and all its products.

[@domehammer]

My computer isn't compatible for Windows 11 so I don't really get a pop-up about it. I got it once or twice and it was a hardcore jump scare that could of given someone a heart attack.

[@RedstoneMiner18]

windows 7 users also get the pop up its unsupported. I get that on my win7 lapje. I wonder if they will change that to windows 11 aswell after its eol

[@karnige5804]

I really think MS will suddenly keep updating windows 10 for another few years as the deadline draws near. watch. its just a tactic to get people to switch over

[@no_nameyouknow]

exactly, my PC was new when win 11 came out and somehow it can't run it. Or I need to do something in the bios to make it capable. But like, no.

[@ikuturso7570]

MS account is a dealbreaker for me. I want my pc to be a "dumb" standalone machine, not a bigger phone/tablet.

[@FreelancerFreak]

You can disable the need for a ms account by using a command prompt in installation

[@Mr.Reality]

@@FreelancerFreak I just followed Jayz2cents video he hates spyware and microsoft accounts, if I remember correctly I had to disconnect myself from the internet before installing windows.

[@zzzzjoy]

@@FreelancerFreaki don't want to waste my time and follow 13 steps in order to simply disable something that should be off by default, on top of that it's gonna be a mess to remove all the Copilot crap that the future windows versions will come with

[@byteme0000]

@@zzzzjoy You nailed it. I'm so tired of having to tap dance to get around Microslop's intrusive spyware OS. That stuff should be disabled by default or not included at all. I don't want to create an "account" just to be able to run my own computer.

[@theguyfromsaturn]

@@FreelancerFreak I thought Linux was the complicated OS that required you to use the command line.

[@crungushakooter]

Nobody asked for anything in Windows 11. It's slower, even more bloated than 10, has ADS IN THE OS, changed the look of things just to change the look of things and to take up more space while showing less data, and has absolutely useless AI integration. Why would anyone willingly "upgrade" to that?

[@kahtyman7293]

not tech savy users

[@C-H-O-M-P]

There is 1 reason I personally see: BT low energy audio support. But there's basically no adapter on the market which supports it, so it's a non-factor

[@techy804]

@@C-H-O-M-P I upgraded for a few reasons, including but not limited to WSA, multitab terminal, multitab file explorer, and iOS Phone Link.

[@DarkStarCoreX]

There’s ads?

[@techy804]

@@DarkStarCoreX for some people, yes, I personally haven’t gotten any.

[@ulamss5]

3 years later we still can't drag-and-drop move the taskbar to secondary monitors like we could for the past 2 decades before that.

[@Psyborg321]

Your comment just made me try it, I didn't even know it was possible....

[@zavaraninoveuhorky]

hey... i know it kinda sucks but you can if you instal this microsoft app from their store called "power toys"

[@mythrillium2]

Might not be able to drag and drop it, but you can definitely change it's location. Really not that hard to do

[@pawer_themaw]

but oOOoOoOooOOooOoOOHHHH ittTttTtsSsssS sLlleeEkkk anddd newWWWWew!!!!1!1

[@sorak185]

@@pawer_themaw Microsoft OSX, is what I call it. It's change for the sake of change, actively removing the ability to fine tune it to my particular use case. I guess they didn't learn anything from Win7's insane popularity... you know, the one that just did its job and stayed out of your way entirely. Man I wish for that again...

[@CptApplestrudl]

How about making an OS that uses LESS hardware instead of more and MORE every time?

[@johngaynor4363]

Sadly, this is a prime example of Andy and Bill's law. "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away."

[@bryanpuddles8402]

I miss the "Paid software = no ads" thing. so if i upgrade from 10 it will be to a linux distro.

[@Soandnb]

I'm posting this from my fresh install of Pop OS. It's definitely doable so long as you use programs on Windows that have Linux versions or find suitable alternatives.

[@rockraideraxle]

I moved to linux mint about a month ago. Switching wasn't 100% smooth, but I'm very pleased with it now. I had to replace my wifi adapter because realtek has no linux drivers!

[@cbm_doomworld]

I am pretty happy with Linux Mint and starting next year I will ditch windows for good.

[@gavinthejanitor]

honestly this, while i'll need to cross check my steam library, i'm probably just going back to ubuntu or smth of the sort once i can't use windows 10 anymore

[@Hamzi-wf4nq]

​@@rockraideraxleI'm sure you can manually install drivers to make it work

[@theduckthatsits]

The right click menu is what prevents me from upgrading, having to click show more options all the time is annoying and takes more clicks for no reason.

[@CST1992]

There's a registry hack. Search for "InprocServer32 context menu".

[@4brigger]

winaero tweaker can bring back the old full context dropdown

[@gergelytolnai7115]

@@4brigger You dont even need to download a third-party application for that. All you have to do is to edit the registry with one line. On the otther hand it would be nice to have a dedicated settings button for that. I bet Microsoft will patch out this solution as well sometime.

[@Welshmanshots]

@@gergelytolnai7115 But you have to edit the registry, MS could of simply not changed it so noobs don't end up breaking stuff in the registry.

[@Mario583a]

Starting in Windows 11 22H2, Shift + Right-clicking an item will jump you straight into the legacy Context Menu. The developers of whatever said program need to take advantage of the new Context Menu API call.

[@r0bfleming]

I run IT for a law firm. We have accreditations that require all software be supported by the vendor. As soon as 10 goes EOL we can't use it. We also use systems that lock us into the Microsoft ecosystem. I'm now in the process of upgrading the machines that will run 11, and replacing the ones that wont. The partners at the firm are not happy that they must spend thousands replacing perfectly good computers.

[@cryptic_daemon_]

At that point, you might as well run Linux!

[@davidfernelz]

@@cryptic_daemon_ they stated they have hardware that locks them into windows...

[@GlasterLannet]

How does a law firm deal with windows spying on you? They were set to force "copilot" including them downloading copies of your files even after deleted.

[@thingsmymacdoes]

You know there's that other option...

[@Devastator0]

Yep, it do def be like that.

[@leokimvideo]

All we want is Windoze XP to come back. It was clean, lean and stable

[@RedstoneMiner18]

just release the security patches dammit

[@brovid-19]

The only market share windows 11 has is entirely because it came pre installed and the person who bought it doesn't know how / doesn't care about changing it.

[@lenardgor]

Why would you change it?

[@fench1234567]

@@lenardgor Because Windows 11 doesn't suit every customer's wants/needs as well as Win 10 or other operating systems might!

[@BL33NB]

And companies that are forced for updates or softwares...

[@JamsDX]

as a windows 11 user this is exactly why i use it haha, if i knew how to switch, id do it... but at this point it seems like a lot of effort to go back to windows 10 and 11 works fine enough for me i do much rather prefer 10 tho

[@juanca2807]

Same McAfee vibes, most notebooks come with W11 home installed because Microsoft just gift a lot of licenses for a ridiculous price; McAfee marketshare is based on Intel basically forcing it to be installed if notebook brands seek a discount.

[@elementx8046]

I had win 11 and then upgraded to win 10. Best decision

[@user-z1u4u]

this

[@lifeboat6284]

windows 11 straight up bricked my computer. i had to manually flash windows 10 because one of the updates bricked my pc. i couldn't even turn it off, i had to unplug the power supply. i have a relatively beefy computer as well. awful operating system.

[@GoodKnight5252]

I did the same lol

[@YashGautam4590]

How? I plan to do this? Is license still valid?

[@lifeboat6284]

@YashGautam4590 look into manually installing windows 10. plenty of good tutorials; you basically get a windows installation iso on a flash drive and install it from there. its a bit more complicated than that, but there are youtube tutorials that go into more detail. if you have an old installation key, you should be able to use it. otherwise, you can get one for cheap on different websites (i got mine for 20 dollars)

[@mahenjayawardana397]

Held on to 7 till I can't anymore, and then switched to 10. Will hang on to 10 till I can't anymore.

[@Swiftbow]

7 still works well. Hell, I have two side-by-side PCs. One is XP, one is 7. (This one is 7... the XP can't handle KZbin comment scripting. But it can still play the videos if they're embedded on a simpler site.)

[@rwill156]

I didn't need a new computer, but I was getting close. Then it was like next month new computers will ship with windows 8, I bought a new computer and left it in the box until I wanted to get to it. I'm still using it, though I did upgrade it to 10 last year when a program with yearly new installs "for security reasons" wouldn't run on 7 anymore.

[@Swiftbow]

@@rwill156 Ah, yeah, there's a few like that. Quickbooks is probably the most annoying of them.

[@the-answer-is-42]

I heard that Windows 10 LTSC have longer support than the normal Windows 10. Might be worth looking into.

[@Vasanth-CS]

I'm just gonna switch to Linux when I can't use windows 10 anymore

[@hendriksimon9817]

Windows 7 was best windows

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

I personally found Windows XP to be better. But most folks sit on 7 as long as they can cuz it's got more features & is, well, more XP-like than the 8s & 10.

[@andrasbiro3007]

Form me it's 8.0. It was fast, and very easy to use as long as you used it as intended. I hate all changes in Win 10 and even more anything in Win 11.

[@andrasbiro3007]

@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her Win 7 was vastly better than XP in every way. I understand the reluctance with Vista and 8, but 7 had a traditional look, and it was smaller, faster, more stable, had cool new features, etc.

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

@@andrasbiro3007 XP could look traditional, which ours did; we set the classic theme & were able to easily change our experience to one we wanted. 7 took away a lot of the customization we liked (even though it could at least also have mostly-classic menus with some theme manipulation) & its versions of default programs (like Sound Recorder) were horribly gimped, IIRC. The general versions of XP WERE unstable & prone to crashes, but we used the 64 bit version, which was built on much more stable architecture. But like I said, 7 also added features & abilities, along with supporting newer programs, so it was definitely the "last best" operating system.

[@heaveniankad]

but windows 7 used to crush alot, windows 10 has the reset option which helps out alot

[@LHCB6]

You missed a chance to say "most people aren't switching because of ads where they don't belong, unlike this relevant one from our sponsor..."

[@NobbsAndVagene]

Bang on.

[@yuvalne]

+

[@jabezhane]

I still havent seen any ads on 11.

[@wildyato3737]

It's not Ads. it's ed interest where people are dropping towards laptop..and since smartphone got in people's hands .they are addicted to touch screen rather using Mouse and keyboard

[@techideafirm3563]

@@jabezhane me too, haven't seen a single one.

[@uorulezz]

It's an absolute disservice not to mention the privacy concerns, the ever increasing amount of spying the OS does, and the ever diminishing amount of agency the user has over their own hardware with Windows 11. THIS is a big part of the reason people don't want to switch to 11. Not to mention being filled to the brim with ads, with every other update forcing even more ads.

[@NotGovernor]

100%. Its so glaringly absent it makes one wonder if they dont want to piss off some income stream over it...

[@UncleJemima]

I don't think most PC users know or even care about privacy/agency concerns. normies mostly care about having a system that works, and Win10 does that just fine

[@WingTzu343]

@@NotGovernor put your tinfoil hat away and give the koolaid a break.. Windows 10 is JUST as bad as Windows 11 in regards to privacy. If your issue with upgrading is due to privacy concerns, then you better be running an open sourced linux distro otherwise you're fooling yourself.

[@The_Cadaver]

It's been beyond demoralizing. You spend all this time choosing the right components, building, replacing parts, tweaking and trimming the OS, dialing in your settings... only for Microsoft to take a massive dump all over it. I'm ready to tap out. Getting ready to go offline on my main PC, and use an Android device for anything sensitive... if it comes to it. Really sucks, but modern games just aren't worth the fight anymore.

[@mrdrummer2564]

The whole taking screenshots of activity monitoring "feature" they added recently (albeit limited devices) was enough to convince me that instead of upgrading to Windows 11, I'll be seriously looking at Linux. I'm a gamer/developer, so I have been reluctant to make the switch.

[@InternetEntity]

TPM 2.0, adverts, useless search, 'A.I.', dumbed down settings and context menus. I'm sure I've missed a lot of things.

[@MaxLittleBuddy]

What about the Auto HDR!!! (They can't even get it right)

[@vinyfiny]

Yeah having the full options for various settings and context menus behind another click or two really makes the whole experience rather annoying, and for seemingly no reason. Microsoft says they did it to "simplify" the experience, but who was complaining that using Windows 10 was too complicated?? Windows 11 is MORE complicated because you have to hunt and peck around to actually find what you're looking for.

[@brucethen]

No quick launch

[@BerserkJeffy]

The extra security features make your hardware run slower

[@xdn22]

excessive padding in the ui too. making the same mistakes as windows 8, designing it to be touch friendly. everythings so large. the start menu is fucking insanely big. so much white space, i hate it

[@admiralcasperr]

For Win 11, Microsoft, instead of fixing things, made features that nobody wants, took away features people do want, and then added a massive attack vector with the recall thing. They made windows 11 worse then 10 and now are pikavhu facing when people don't want to upgrade.

[@maxshadow...]

This!

[@Daimo83]

-add adverts -require TPM -mandatory m$ account >"Why does nobody want our product?"

[@CybernerdShua]

Oh, sweetheart... W10 had lots of adverts too

[@Content_Deleted]

@@CybernerdShuaAre you aware of the antagonistic nature of your comment? Let's be constructive here. Elaborate.

[@marcingardias9254]

FWIW, MS account is not really mandatory, you need to jump some hoops to circumvent it, but you can set up Win 11 with a local user account. I've done exactly that, because screw having to login to a remote system all the time.

[@Daimo83]

@@marcingardias9254 I'm aware but if you have to circumvent something then it's anti consumer.

[@PressRecord777]

I'm running Windows 11 with no TPM, an unqualified 12-year-old Xeon CPU, no M$ account, and after two years have yet to see an ad... what am I doing wrong??

[@dylanmcintire7677]

The largest reason I will never switch is the pop up ad to learn more about windows 11 after a security update followed by "your pc is not eligible for windows 11" why is my 2000 dollar pc not eligible for windows 11 and why am I getting ads for it on a device that can't install it?

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

they want you to buy another device

[@Pechbird]

Have you ever updated your motherboard's BIOS? That was the reason why my PC was unsuitable, I still didn't install win11.

[@Konev]

change your boot drive from MBR to GPT and update your bios.

[@Scheiseposter]

Check UEFI settings is TPM is on. In some cases it defaults to “off”, which prevents 11 inatalling

[@WellBattle6]

@@KonevToo bad Microsoft never writes anywhere in PC Health Check that they’ve have a built in tool to do that without deleting your boot drive.

[@Carpirinha]

My mother, who isn't that tech savvy, clicked on a Windows notification that told her to upgrade to Windows 11. She did exactly that, and now her laptop is practically bricked because it doesn't have TPM 2.0. Thanks, Microsoft.

[@lifeboat6284]

you need to manually flash windows 10. this exact thing happened to me.

[@thewiseoldfox]

Flashing Windows 10 is a relatively easy process as long as you have a bit of patience if you've never done it before. The most difficult part is navigating whatever BIOS the bricked PC is. Other than that, and redownloading all the laptop's proprietary software, it's a pretty straightforward process.

[@Nithalm]

@@thewiseoldfox You realise that about 80% of all people, and especially elderly people have never seen a BIOS screen?

[@thewiseoldfox]

@@Nithalm hence why I say that's the _most difficult part._ That and different laptop manufacturers have different ways to even reach the BIOS. Luckily for everyone, Google is a website that exists

[@Jaeeden]

​@@Nithalm yes and that's why they're replying to someone that IS tech savvy to help someone that isn't.

[@timtrottproductions]

I don’t feel like throwing out software I paid for to buy a bunch of subscriptions I don’t like.

[@NerdPanic]

10 not getting updates any more will be a feature.

[@michaelprice3031]

Underrated Comment!

[@wingracer1614]

I jumped through a lot of hoops to permanently disable updates from day one on 10. I only update it when I run into something that just won't run on it.

[@MetalTrabant]

Yeah, no more forced or sneaky background restarts...

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

Put me down for 100 likes on that!

[@formless3791]

dont worry they will fuck it up with their"cumulative" updates before abandoning it, you can't be happy lil bro

[@usulatreides863]

Reasons to ignore Windows 11? - TPM 2.0 - even more ads in the Start Menu - even more news in the Start Menu - even more cloud hrny integration - even more telemetry - searching for programs or files is a forced Bing search - widgets suddenly showing on the lock screen - unable to manage printers properly - THE NEED TO HAVE A MS ACCOUNT TO INSTALL IT oh... and rightclick W F no longer works to create a new folder

[@panda4247]

never heard of right click W F. I use Total Commander since I was a kid... the other stuff you listed is pretty shitty though. microsoft is becoming the worst bloatware

[@solothurn8145]

Yeah, it takes a hell of a lot of effort to remove a majority of those problems, I was stuck with windows 11 when buying a new laptop and it took me upwards of 3 days of work to disable so much of the extra garbage. Not to mention you have to do registry edits to fix that right click thing

[@alexanderoestreicher3557]

>not encrypting your files TPM is just fine and if your PC isn't ancient you should already have it. most of the rest of that you can turn off.

[@bacon.cheesecake]

rmb + f works on Linux mint just putting that out there

[@colt5189]

What's wrong with TPM 2.0? Or are you saying you wish it wasn't required? Though I believe all or most laptops made over the past 5 years has it.

[@venimx]

I feel like the only reason windows 11 is at 30% is because it’s usually pre installed on new computers so the majority of people don’t “downgrade” to windows 10 and just stay with 11

[@Smol_PC]

Yep, I wish I knew beforehand. Can't change it now...

[@laxminarayananks1520]

@@Smol_PC You can still create a win 10 bootable usb and reinstall win 10.

[@Smol_PC]

@laxminarayananks1520 even if I never had Win 10? What about everything on my computer? Would everything be saved?

[@laxminarayananks1520]

@@Smol_PC transfer your personal files to an external drive.

[@venimx]

@@Smol_PC yep you can just downgrade to 10. Your license is still valid. Your files would be erased tho so i would find a way to backup what you can (just upload things to mega and google drive if you need more space create more accounts) and if you have any usbs or external storage devices use those. However dont put anything on the usb you use for installing windows 10 since it erases everything off of it when creating the installation media.

[@glens0r]

I've worked at some of the largest companies in Australia. An upgrade to Windows 11 company wide is unthinkable without years of application compatibility testing. Some machines (off the domain of course) are still using XP

[@RedstoneMiner18]

if it works dont fix it

[@Aryanne_v2]

I switched back to Windows 10. Everything in Windows 11 is behind an extra menu and its super frustrating. I used Windows 11 for almost two years, but i just couldn't handle it anymore so I went back to an OS I actually enjoyed using

[@JacobSmith-ts2gq]

when I first upgraded to 11 the right-click menu change from 10 was an immediate annoyance, and pushing another button to see more options brings back the old menu. since this old menu was still there I figured that there was another way around it, and after a short search found command I could run to remove the new bloat. I was also able to find a solution to the automatic ms-Edge search, from the search menu (if i wanted to find something online I'd already be typing in a browser).

[@rollingtroll]

Same, and it also just ran worse.

[@zeenxdownz]

@@JacobSmith-ts2gq that happened in 10 too, pardon me if im wrong

[@roopek.9511]

I've been considering this too.

[@AJ213Probably]

I switched to linux 2 months ago because I didn't want to switch to 11. Def some issues when you are using an nvidia gpu, but most of those issues got fixed by the latest driver update 555.

[@lordmox21]

If it wasn't for the end of life and lack of support (like DX12), I would still be using Windows 7.

[@GraveUypo]

so would i

[@tomclanys]

Yeah the only reason I moved to win 10 was lack of dx12 support (Elden Ring) and newest version of Fusion 360 being buggy with mouse in the first week of lost support (that really feels staged). I need my engineering programs to work unfortunately and my 2TB HDD isn't big enough to dualboot.

[@AaronOfMpls]

Indeed, the end of Win7 support was a big part of what pushed me to Linux. I was also building a new PC at the time, so it didn't come with an OS preinstalled. So it was a near-perfect opportunity to go all-in on trying a Linux distro. And I figured, worst case, I could get a copy of Windows 10 if it didn't work out. 4½ years so far, and I haven't had to yet. 😎

[@TheCalico]

Same I was using Windows 7 until 2019 when I finally switched over to Windows 10, reluctantly. 11 makes me grateful for what I have now but I'm ditching for Linux once they stop supporting it.

[@HashCracker]

I just recently switched to 10, i finally encountered enough Not Compatible With Your OS/Version Of Windows to reluctantly switch. Its always such a painstaking and lengthy and nerve-wracking experience for me switching or re installing an OS, im never SURE ive gotten everything backed up or saved. Inevitably i end up keeping the data storage device or a clone and parts needed to boot the previous OS just in case😂. I switched to 7 after using XP long after it was no longer supported for the same reasons. XP is still my fav windows ever. Im disappointed i cant make 10 look like win95 like i always did with xp and 7. Anyway who cares bla bla

[@dingolovethrob]

hey commentors, - all those of you complaining that W11 is slow and clunky, - it takes TIME to send all that telemetry to the dozens of servers that you are connected to.....

[@dean3631]

Yet if it was just slow thats alright but the os is unstable and as someone who works in commercial it/av new windows based teams solutions aren’t reliable and they have a plenty of “growing pains” that probably wont go away

[@mademedothis424]

You're less wrong than you think. Most of the lag comes down to live searching online, which for some reason isn't a config app toggle, but can still be disabled in the registry for fast and responsive start menuing. Weirdly the PowerToys Mac-style omnisearch bar doesn't lag quite as badly, don't ask me why.

[@dean3631]

@TheManiac95 major pain in my ass when a brand new system decides to gives me a black screen for a day or 2 because the ai decided to say nope. thats fun explaining that one to consumers who just bought a brand new sys worth round 100k. Dont get me wrong love new innovations and technologies but is this really the direction we want to go in, slap ai on something it sells sure but does it make for a better product in the long term.

[@mohamedaminelitime2566]

it's not just slow and clunky, it's also full of bugs

[@lxyacht]

Lol, I didn't see that swerve coming. Well done.

[@donskiver]

I'm still using windows 7 guy. All the games I want to play, play on 7 just fine.

[@Nemcija]

My reason not to switch to Windows 11 is that it breaks with my habit. The context menu is useless, the taskbar is useless, the start menu is useless, the settings are getting more and more complicated and useless. So why change?

[@ilandreev]

Yeah, it feels start menu is downgraded in every possible way for some reason. Task bar is almost tolerable in latest builds though (if you don't need to move to left/top of course)

[@N4CR]

yeah win 7 to win 10 already made it many more clicks to do the same thing, win 11 continues that tradition, I have zero interest in it and have TPM disabled for obvious reasons.

[@Seomus]

I ordered a new laptop from HP and because of the shortages back in 2021, it was delayed for months (did not realize that when I ordered it). A week before it shipped, I get an email saying, "We've upgraded you to windows 11 for free." It was not an upgrade. I almost downgraded before I found a bit of software that restored windows 10 context menus and taskbar.

[@anthonyduncalf-uk]

I don't think people realise that you can right click the Start button and a big menu pops up. Pressing the right button isn't something people think of after Years of clicking Start with the left button.

[@davidpenaloza1586]

That is my case too. My laptop came with a pre-installed windows 11 so what I did was install explorer patcher or startallback to get these useful features we have lost with this new os.

[@genericcommenter1148]

Using a Linux distro makes my computer feel like it's *my* computer. Microsoft thinks that Windows should be the primary user of the computer instead of me

[@Drazil100]

It’s not just that. They think (and rightfully so in many cases) that you are too stupid to use a computer. Overall, while I do think they do more good than bad by forcing people who would otherwise never update to update and keep their machine secure, I don’t need handholding and don’t want to constantly be guided into sharing analytics or trying edge.

[@Cyan37]

@@Drazil100 For me there was always something broken after updates so at some point I just stopped doing them. Never had issues with security. You just have to be responsible, not visit scam websites and don't click any links that are obviously gonna fuck you over.

[@OzixiThrill]

@@Cyan37 And manually patch driver vulnerabilities. Oh wait. You weren't aware of those types, were you?

[@Cyan37]

@@OzixiThrill Condescending right out of the box eh?

[@marcelorauber_]

Windows 10 was launched in July 2015. It's unthinkable for a Linux user to maintain the basis of a system for 10 years. Most of us switch between long-support versions every 2 years.

[@JJtoob]

Copilot isn't even a Windows 11 exclusive "feature" because it somehow got installed in my Windows 10 install without me consciously giving permission.

[@SoloRenegade]

same. it installed without my consent just the other night. I promptly uninstalled it.

[@1God1Fury]

Delete it immediately and any roots of it. No one needs that Windows spyware on their system

[@DeadPixel1105]

Yup, I noticed the taskbar icon for Copilot the other day. I thought to myself, "Oh, why hello there. And where the f*ck did *you* come from?" And I promptly uninstalled Copilot.

[@KH-lg3xc]

@@1God1Fury One spyware more, one less, does not make big difference in Windows 10.

[@1God1Fury]

@@KH-lg3xc the level of intrusiveness does. Screenshoting your screen every few minutes is red flag, something that hacker or malicious company with 0 respect of user privacy would do. This is huge security and privacy issue for user

[@marcocappelli5124]

I woke up today with a sudden desire to install Linux, and I spent the whole day doing backups and installing and configuring Kubuntu. Didn't even know that MS is going to cut support for Windows 10. I was just fed up with the many problems I'd been having. I have to say, I'm happy of the choice I made.

[@AliHashemYT]

The official system requirements are really high. A lot of people don't want to upgrade because of that!

[@mentiquebakabila4254]

I had an “false positive” for not being good enough, had to do an little workaround

[@stevensv4864]

bs. w10 outperform w11. even with my i7 12700kf w10 feels lighter and smoother

[@chupasaurus]

@@stevensv4864 Cause it is lighter.

[@MaoRatto]

@@mentiquebakabila4254 A* not an.

[@stevenbenson9976]

That's why I haven't. Don't want to reg jack just to install

[@blackmedia7075]

I was hyped when they anounced that windows 11 will be able to run (emulated) Android apps, but sadly they stopped working the project when management realized they couldn't make much profit of an android app store on a windows PC :(

[@the_mariocrafter]

Same

[@NobbsAndVagene]

It was the only feature of Windows 11 that had my interest, and they removed it. Well job good done.

[@KingKadem]

Oh man, really? Well, their loss. Already used to having VM's run Android apps and it seems that won't change when I have to switch OS'

[@SparkingSparks]

It's probably because Google Play Games makes that feature useless

[@the_mariocrafter]

@@SparkingSparks GAMES, not all apps

[@user-g5rt89]

After using Windows 11 for more than 1 yr, I reverted to Windows 10 a month ago. I felt Home.❤

[@seepranavg]

why though?

[@user-g5rt89]

@@seepranavg 11 was using more memory, became heavy & less responsive and also due to upcoming recall feature.

[@FE59FE59]

I bought a new laptop with 11, so tried it for half a year until I gave up because of all the bugs, so I installed 10 again.

[@Hajun554]

@@NineS5 what lol. gpu drivers uninstalling ?

[@Crossfirev]

​@@NineS5Microsoft fed post spotted

[@peterpan6821]

I will simply unplug the Internet and spend the next ten years working through my unplayed Steam library.

[@Account4096]

My boss is a contract engineer for NASA. He bought a brand new Alienware laptop to be able to get work done. He opened it up, saw Windows 11 on it, and squinted in disgust. I went to grab a coffee in the breakroom. When I returned to his office, he was already installing Windows 10 on it.

[@Greedy-Allay]

But the ui of windows 10 is just... terrible

[@Account4096]

@@Greedy-Allay Dunno. I like it far better than Windows 11's. As for the start menu, I use Startisback which gives it the same layout and behavior as Windows 7's start menu.

[@jimmkekw]

based and windows 10 pilled

[@Dictatortot-n3d]

@@Greedy-Allay ui windows 11 looks awful that taskbar looks like it was crafted by apple or some bs

[@anima94]

@@Greedy-Allay it's not as good as 7 but better than 11 or 8

[@fyodortyutchev7898]

The main problem with Windows 11 (not spoken about in the video at all) is the privacy concerns. There are so many dark patterns, malicious compliance and everything is opt out (with the risk of silently turning back on after every update), that there is no way in hell I'm going to waste a lot of time (almost a part-time job) just researching and keeping up with all the small details to avoid my own computer screwing me over. Software in general (the OS included) should be a useful tool to help me, not something I should be constantly battling against. Those issues also plague Windows 10 to some degree, to the point that I'm really thinking about migrating to a Linux distro for production tasks and leaving a Windows partition for gaming (for those still incompatible with Linux).

[@RonakDhakan]

Exactly! All telemetry options are enabled by default and it takes so much effort to disable them. I can feel that they have purposefully hidden them in a difficult to find place. And they keep getting more and more hidden over time. And they get re-enabled on their own after disabling.

[@PhobosDDeimos]

Craftsmen don't get better at their craft because their get used to new tools every month. They master their craft because of repeated use of the tools they know. Sure, a new tool here and there for a special applcation is fine, but this update-craze with no real reason is just dumb. I really like your wording here: Software should be a useful tool to help me, not something I should be constantly battling against.

[@Revan-kq7ih]

While that is certainly better than just using Windows 11, wouldn't Windows 11 still be able to access your linux files from the other partition? If we assume, that Microsoft scans all the data on your device the Linux partition and private files would have to be encrypted.

[@fyodortyutchev7898]

@@Revan-kq7ih as far as I'm aware (don't quote me on that, since I'm not rly sure), Windows isn't able to natively read ext4 partitions. So you shouldn't even need to encrypt the Linux partitions. However, if it comes to that, encrypting would at least give me the control to make sure a Windows installation wouldn't access data I don't want it to, no matter how many changes come with future updates.

[@bwood6337]

At this point just let me buy a modernized version of Windows 7.

[@fare-5174]

The most ironic part is that if Microsoft didn't stop supporting Windows 7, it'll probably be more popular than Windows 10. Microsoft made a big downturn in the last fifteen years or so and Windows 11 shows it better than anything else.

[@prakashm1468]

you must be old...why not try retirement home ? You may find Windows 7 there with XP too

[@fare-5174]

@@prakashm1468 You probably think you are funny or something, but the truth is, Win XP was the first truly stable OS that could support a wide variety of tasks pretty smoothly. You can have work of any flavor that required a computer and be able to do it without trouble on that OS. Win 7 was the powerhouse, though. It had innovative design from Vista combined with the robust programming of XP, making that OS truly capable, with support of apps from the oldest 8-bit to the new 64-bit and all the related libraries and frameworks in place. It could literally do anything you wanted with it. Win 10 decided it was to be "light", though, probably following the "mobile" focus Win 8 had, so Microsoft cut off the majority of what made Win 7 so diverse and friendly. It would only run things released in the recent years and would have to get backports for anything older. Ironically, those backports would utilize the unwieldy Windows Update system that exists to this day, which did not solve the problem with Win 10, only made it worse. The core system files would be replaced with placeholders and spread chaotically around the hard drive, spreading security thin and making that system particularly vulnerable to attacks against isolated files. And now we have Win 10 rebranded as Win 11, and locked out of most hardware, too, in the name of "security" - which as mentioned above is a self-made problem with the entire structure of Win 10. Not that TPM is even remotely capable of solving that self-made problem anyway. I find it incredibly ironic that if Microsoft decided to continue WIn 7, they would have never lost users who fled to Mac or Linux, increasing their profits. In their pursuit of short-term sales of a new "lean" OS, they tanked their long-term gain from faithful customers.

[@k2aj710]

​@@prakashm1468Windows 7 isn't even that old. I'm 24 and still remember using XP.

[@NotRenjiro]

​@@prakashm1468No need to be so rude here.

[@computerjantje]

windows 7 with a win2k user interface was the last usuable windows. After that all the crap extra unwanted software and privacy breaking came in.

[@737Garrus]

1 thing to say: Windows 11. Say goodbye to privacy.

[@007order007]

Windows 11 was the final push to get me to install a Linux Desktop, the AI bullshit was too much for me. Even worse, they re-introducing shitty visual updates that makes you search more and more until you find the Windows 7 UI that actually does what you wants. The OS just got progressively worse since Windows 7.

[@HolosKaustos]

Same here. I looked at Popos but settled on Mint for the more familiar UI. Still praying for SteamOS, though.

[@Yellowredstone]

I switched before the AI bullshit, but it was more of a "got out of there just in time" thing. I just find it strange they are shut down windows 7, 8.1, and now in the process of shutting down Windows 10 in less than 5 years into Windows 11's lifespan. Forget hardware requirements, forcing the whole user base to update to a single version is very weird.

[@PPlankBeam]

Yeah Windows 7 was perfect and I always felt very happy to be using it. So much so that I didn't move to Windows 10 for 2-3 years after it was launched. I too have been looking at Linux. (I don't want AI anything.)

[@LRDSAGA]

Same here, went with Mint.

[@mabonhunts]

Sorry to say but AI it the way of the future its coming and going to be integrated into everything whether you like it or not. You can scream all you want about it but that's going to change nothing and waste your time. I just don't understand why people fight so hard against progress it coming there's NOTHING you can do about it, unless you have billions of dollars to fight against it because that's what it would take.

[@Crackie]

Microsoft said that win10 would be the last, then made win11 and made it compatible with PCs with hardware bought in the last 5 years. No wonder the world hasn't adapted yet. Most people, at least outside the US keep their PCs for more than 5 years.

[@GaryGeezer-l2s]

They never said that it would be the last. Why do people keep on spouting this rubbish, which can easily he disproved with a quick search? Some employee said it, and was referring to a subscription model, and it was never policy

[@lifeboat6284]

@user-lx5do4zc6n actually, no. when jerry nixon (a *microsoft developer*) said that windows 10 would be the last version of windows, microsoft ended up standing by what he said, or atleast did not say that he was wrong. in a statement to network world, official microsoft spokesperson said this, "Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers. We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations.” they did not specify that it was one developer, or even disagree. they even said that theyd keep it up to date! you'd think they'd correct it or tag that as a misunderstanding, but nope! you can even go on forums and see the question of windows 10 being the last software and being answered by actual people who work at microsoft saying that its the last version. when the rumors came out about windows 11, people genuinely believed that it was a hoax. you can even go onto the forums and see that everyone thought windows 10 was the last version. id link stuff but my comment would get removed, so youre gonna have to dig for yourself unfortunately.

[@Kazma019]

my last pc before upgrade was 12 years ago and that was using from window 7 to 10

[@tapist3482]

​​@@GaryGeezer-l2s Exactly that. Even I do remember they originally meant you only have to "buy windows once" since win 10. How can these people to believe that if it's even possible for win 10 to be the last windows? If it's really the case it will only be a naming issue anyway, as with constant updates the system will become less recognizable compared to the first version, eventually.

[@GaryGeezer-l2s]

@@tapist3482 they didn't even mean that, it was never intended to be anything like that, there was always planned and there will be more versions of Windows to come. It would be impossible to just have 1 version and constantly update it, at some point, the very foundations of the system become obsolete or these parts need so much constant fixing, that it is no longer cost effective

[@Sythemn]

If I could get security updates for Windows 7 I never would have "upgraded" to 10. Now I put up with Linux instead.

[@Sponsi_PL]

There are paid versions of updates for 7 and there will be for 10...

[@pieterrossouw8596]

There are literally dozens of people like you.

[@headlessfool7050]

@@pieterrossouw8596 erhm...millions .

[@bricolomagnac]

No you can, just update the update thingy, Windows 64-bit is Windows 64-bit, so most of the security updates for Windows10/11 are functional on Windows7. The last update I received was 8 days ago if I put a link it will probably be deleted, but you just have to type in Google "update Windows 7 update agent" and it's among the first results on the "learn Microsoft" website.

[@RodrigoSpacecpp]

I would have never upgraded from 7 to 10 if a ton of nice software wasn't dropping the compatibility with 7.

[@bloosher03]

I’ve been using windows 11 since it came out, bypassed the requirements until I upgraded my pc, never had a single issue

[@Noogleminus]

"Why No One Is Using Windows 11"? A better question would be "Why would anyone WANT to use Windows 11?" Why would people want a bigger and slower OS that doesn't bring anything to the table to justify burning the extra watts and time? If Microsoft wants people to want to switch, they need to release something light weight that actually has benefits. Perhaps re-release a security patched Windows XP. No news. No Ads. No new tracking. Stop screwing with the start menu and control panel. Just give us an operating system that allows us to run the software we want. Wait.... what's the point of an operating system again? How did we stray so far from the path?

[@thedarkdragon89]

Preach Brother!

[@TheDarkKillerGR]

but the ads, where would the ads be....

[@cristianoreddevil9736]

Return the start menu to the corner. Remove bing results when searching for something. Remove all ads and bloatware. Reduce system requirements so average Joe can run Windows 11.

[@darkinfuser_44]

because we can cope with the 21st century and dont get ads

[@Utrilus]

@@cristianoreddevil9736 The one thing they would need to do is optimize it to run on crap.

[@rafaelchristiansen3371]

TPM requirement is an actual blessing. I disabled in BIOS when reports of forced upgrades began to come out. And Microsoft wonders why it has a trust problem.

[@Pekopekope]

YE microsoft and other tech companies have been working very hard to blur the line between products and services. I paid for win10, its a product, and only I get to decide how it is used on my hardware.

[@Mythhammer]

No. They know. They just don't care.

[@Crossfirev]

I did the same. Disabled my TPM to avoid auto updates.

[@K31TH3R]

Good, I don't have to make this comment and can just updoot yours. With Win10 EOL nearing, I have Manjaro KDE on several of my devices and dual boot it on my main getting ready to fully transition. Win11 is so awful for so many reasons that it makes me nostalgic for Windows ME, a truly mind blowing accomplishment.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

the sad part is a lot of people wont bother learning what tmp is or why it is being implemented they just complain about it. it is extra security for your pc i do however agree that it is a pain and it will hinder adoption of windows 11.i am of the belief it it works for what you want too do well why upgrade your pc.

[@joeheap793]

you forgot to mention just how much more of your personal data Win 11 wants to collect also.

[@me2myself20]

I went to Linux when windows 8 came out. I love 7, but MS was pushing 8. I have not looked back!

[@NovemberOrWhatever]

Windows 11: Microsoft's most effective effort yet to get people to switch to Linux

[@BlueDroneBlues]

Yea, but Linux has a shit load of issues as well. Compatibility and finding proper drivers can be a huge pain in the ass. Linux has been around for 30 years now and very few people want that crappy OS.

[@MetalTrabant]

@@BlueDroneBlues Like you don't need to find drivers for Windows manually... Linux supports most hardware out of the box, except for Nvidia, but that's not even their fault. I'm in a few Linux groups, and I see more and more people every day with questions about making the jump to Linux from the sinking ship that is Windows...

[@bobmorgan1575]

@@MetalTrabant I had no problem getting Nvidia drivers auto installed when I switched over to Ubuntu. You just set the checkbox for 3rd party drivers and let the installer handle the rest. Easy peasy.

[@cryptic_daemon_]

@@BlueDroneBluesLinux user here, I been using linux for more than a year. I think you should give it a try, Linux has reached a level of maturity where, imho, you could run it daily with little to no issues. Use case is a factor, but I stand by what I say.

[@MetalTrabant]

@@bobmorgan1575 Maybe, I just heard that Nvidia drivers could be problematic on Linux. I don't even have a graphics card in my current machine...

[@liquididentity101]

Windows 11 tried to force install at boot. There is no user-friendly option to schedule the upgrade. When Windows 11 did overtly install itself, within a minute I had my hands tied by limited UI options that have been staples of Windows for decades. I am a low-end power user.. I want control and options over my OS. I do not want my OS to take control away from me, do things behind my back, or force me to look at third parties to satisfy basic UI functionality. For me, Windows 11 was an immediately obvious downgrade.

[@DrawinskyMoon]

Just don’t have automatic updates. Simple as that.

[@geekley]

"I want control and options over my OS" Laughs in my Kubuntu (Ubuntu Linux + KDE) 🍵🗿 Switched after Windows 7, and never went back, except for the occasional "I need to test if this program works on Windows too" "eh it works fine" I never missed any program/feature, I can paste using middle-click, and I have Wine for the occasional Windows-only games.

[@creepypato3984]

​@@geekleyDoes Wine work properly now? Last I've heard about gaming in Linux was via using the Steam thingie, because Wine was (?) very faulty

[@geekley]

@@creepypato3984 Well, I know it keeps having updates every now and then. I use it with DXVK (which is what Steam Deck uses I think?). I can't say for sure if it's good because I have a low-end laptop and I don't really play any AAA games, so I've only used Wine for a couple of games, like Overcooked. I usually prefer the Linux version of games when available, and I play mostly on emulators, which are widely available on Linux. Wine worked on the few games I tested, but I haven't tried it with anything too graphically demanding. The only issue I remember having with it is on Overcooked 2, where the controller stops working if I switch to a different app and return. Presumably Wine is the cause. GOG Galaxy works but is a bit weird too (?). Dunno how to describe it. Ah, I did use it for Project64 too, but I switched to RetroArch which is available for Linux, because I was having a few issues. So, it does work, but expect a few quirks here and there I guess.

[@viciouswaffle]

@@creepypato3984 It's the steam thingy that has gotten a lot better :D

[@shaunpugh3287]

I cannot think of a single reason why I would want to run Windows 11. Microsoft's attitude towards the privacy of their customers is utterly disgraceful.

[@1God1Fury]

I hope to see day where governments around the world sue Microsoft for anti-trust, corruption, security and privacy violation.

[@Howrider65]

It's a scam they are forcing people to get new computers.

[@PressRecord777]

My favorite feature of Windows 11 is getting to enjoy the _"Working on it"_ message for 54 seconds while I wait for a folder containing 37 files to open in Explorer.

[@thebugg333]

Ahh, so it was not just me when explorer never opened directly...forcing to use the run command to open an existing remembered path that forced a new Explorer window to open without issue.

[@Nightowl427272]

I 2nd that, it’s just awesome…especially on a brand new PC. Such a pleasure…

[@W-meme]

​​@@thebugg333wait, how to make windows slow? 54 seconds? mine doesn't even take 1 second to open anything in explorer, how to get "working on it" message?

[@W-meme]

​@@Nightowl427272How? How to make pc slow? 😭

[@HTC800]

And my favorite is when i type "control panel" in the start menu, and it shown web search. Very helpfully

[@saltblood]

Microsoft constantly trying to trick me into accidentally upgrading to windows 11 with weird button placements on a popup that randomly happens, does not make me want to use their shitty new OS that will only run worse with zero advantages

[@jacobstamm]

But rounded corners!

[@sneakyboy8]

@@jacobstamm but I like squares :(

[@bodiwire]

If you have win 10 pro you can make some changes in group policy to stop the popups. If you have home edition I think there's some registry edits you can make to the same effect. Just search for a guide, it was pretty simple and I haven't had any win 11 popups since.

[@jagdtigger]

Disable cancer boot or tpm and it will go away.......

[@saltblood]

@@jacobstamm I dislike rounded corners 😠

[@jasonpatterson8091]

I've disabled my TPM chip so that it quits bugging me about Win 11. Change for change's sake is beyond stupid.

[@Veni_Vidi_Vortice]

Me too. Great minds think alike.

[@DennouNeko]

Did the same few months ago.

[@SaifAliShugan]

Same

[@agrisimfarming]

I did that but it still bugged me anyway, even going as far as to automatically download it without my consent. I had to edit group policy to completely stop it.

[@rishtoyplushies-n4y]

i dont know why its not bugging me about windows 11 i use windows 10 it run pretty smooth but my coumputer is a surface go

[@CondemnedInformer]

Almost every time I get an update for Windows 10, something breaks and now Microsoft is offering a 'free' upgrade to Windows 11, I can only begin to imagine how broken that OS is.

[@graftednormalcy1376]

man I bought a new computer that had windows 11 preinstalled and I went to a computer repair guy AN HOUR AND A HALF AWAY just to get it upgraded back to windows 10. I refuse to call 10 a downgrade from 11 in any way.

[@TangWuSnake]

​@@aCarverStorynon-sequitur much?

[@nothingtodo5987]

right. upgrade means make your pc *_faster_* . 👍🏾

[@silentios7336]

I do these upgrades at least 20 times a week. 😂😂😂

[@Carl_Brutananadilewski]

You can’t even reinstall windows lmao

[@xiaofengxiaofengxiaofengxi4651]

Or you could have just done it yourself and not been weird about it

[@AnnoyedSonic]

Remember when Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be the final windows?

[@Cyfrik]

I'm suspecting the only real reason they made 11 a separate OS was because even more people would complain if all of these changes were made to 10 in an update.

[@231pilot]

Windows 10 was my final version of Windows. Tried W11 for 30 days and switched my main PC to Mint Cinnamon.

[@otakubullfrog1665]

But at least they were correct about 640k being enough memory for anybody.

[@deathbyteacup]

The never said that, it’s a myth. You won’t find a single official statement, press release or marketing collateral that says that.

[@Solarnova]

No one actually believed that, I never did. Just like Flight Simulator released in 2020 was not going to be the final Flight Simulator.

[@easiers]

As soon as Windows 10 stops getting security updates, I will be making a full move to Linux and only use Windows 10 for certain games specifically

[@tfoutfou21000]

as time passes , and directX 12.X or 13 will be released we will be forced for to switch to win11 .

[@simonmaracine4721]

That is perfect. You can easily have a Linux distribution and a Windows system side by side, dual boot, and only use Windows for games or certain specific tasks. I recommend switching to a popular Linux distribution as soon as possible, to get used to it, and be willing to use alternative software; I don't recommend trying to use Wine or other compatibility layers. Configure Linux to start by default and enable GRUB from where you can choose to actually boot into Linux or Windows. And be sure to disable fast boot on Windows, as it's causing problems.

[@looseycanon]

as long as Steam will support Win10. Even Win7 are no longer supported, which is shame for legacy games :(

[@rumenjanro]

Or just use Windows for gaming and Linux for whatever shit

[@jso_VS]

Hell yeah! Linux is the future and Microsoft knows it!

[@liselottehildegarde5367]

What personally made me so angry is that when my Dell G3 3500 was installed with Windows 11, both the SHIFT KEYS in my keypad completely stopped functioning. I researched online and tried everything but it turns out that if I downgrade back to Windows 10, I would have to FORMAT my laptop and LOSE ALL MY DATA. That was the angriest I've felt for more than a decade.

[@WilliamSellers-kn9yx]

Maybe it’s that they forced your desktop into the cloud with one drive and have no obvious way to turn it off? Forced bing search into the start menu with no way to turn it off? Are forcing users to use a Microsoft account to even install the os? Could it be that it runs worse and has no clear advantage over windows 10? As a windows 11 user I’m stunned more people aren’t using the os.

[@freddy1172]

I look it up you have to do so much to take it off and it’s crazy they wanna sell us more space 😳 I’m good but make it so difficult to get it installed 😤

[@two_number_nines]

I have all of these disabled on mine. Works great and I feel like a caveman whenever I open up my win10 laptop.

[@lolidasterner414]

Obbe/skipnroo

[@cablefeed3738]

​@@two_number_ninesThat's because it's an old laptop, not because it's windows ten.

[@emptywig]

Its in the OneDrive sync settings. Go turn it off.

[@SimonJ57]

Windows 11 runs on the PITIFUL Atom 100 and 200 chips. When higher-end i7 chips from last gen were locked out. Absolute joke of requirements.

[@zybch]

I have it running on an original surface pro from 10 + years ago, just to see if it would. And it operates batter on that ram constrained i5 system far better than on the modern PCs I've built in the last year. Its embarrassing that this could somehow be the case.

[@Sassquatch0]

The UPGRADE software doesn't like certain CPUs. Windows itself doesn't give a damn, as long as you're running stuff from 2007 or later (Intel i-series or FX & later will work) My kid's gaming PCs are i5 4th Gen with a Z97 chipset, and an i5 6th Gen with a Z170 chipset. Both running Win11 just fine. The only requirement was I install it (using M$'s own Windows Media Creation tool) vs doing the one-click upgrade from 10.

[@Izanami95]

Sadly thanks to the 100% hdd bug Windiws 11 runs faster on my 2nd gen core i3 laptop with 8Gb of ram than windows 10. Since it shipped with Windows 7 the UEFI firmware is locked to legacy BIOS mode and has no TPM. Replacing install.esd on the windows 10 installer from install.esd from windows 11 installer made installation a breeze. No mods needed as now I can install win11 on any 64bit system that supports win10. That old laptop and an 8th Gen core i3 laptop which also has the 100% hdd bug are running just fine with Linux so I'm not bothered by windows any more!

[@forlornfoe]

Win7 was my favourite, took quite a while to mod Win10 UI to same standard. I will not touch any newer versions until Win10 becomes truly obsolete.

[@greenbow7888]

Yeah Win 7 was the best.

[@kellywilson137]

Im still on 7, But im not using it for anything hardcore. Browsing, and playing Runescape. lol. No Steam available on Win7, but don't matter, I been playing same game for 20 years.

[@ZacksRockingLifestyle]

I get the strong feeling that eventually I'm going to throw together a machine with Win7 just for semi-vintage games. It was such a stable and functional OS.

[@zorwow4285]

@@kellywilson137 for that you can use Linux, RuneScape has native support for Linux distros.

[@icysan889]

agreed it still feels like my own OS that I paid, also it's easy to fix

[@RVTGROUP]

2:50 Simply a skill issue over here. No money can fix stupid

[@AbatedFawn]

Windows 11 is filled with ads and boomer apps. Like why would I want news on my task bar?

[@Artemis-v8i]

Why would you not want news on your taskbar?

[@blankseventydrei]

the ads are what stops me, also no real reason.

[@zuriel4783]

What? I've been using 11 for years and haven't seen a single ad or boomer app

[@CricketEngland]

I used windows 11 and get no adds or had any bloatware installed when i bought the laptop I use

[@eye776]

@@Artemis-v8iwell there are already news on the phone.

[@Atoll-ok1zm]

I have my problems with win10, but win11 is a joke. In addition to your points, to properly set up the OS you basically have get rufus to install it with edited registries. I don't want to use a microsoft account, I don't want to set dumbass security questions, or stare at a screen for ten minutes while a condecending text box tells me its almost ready. I don't want ads in my desktop or basic applications, I don'f want copilot to exist at all, and that recall bullshit they were talking about a while ago is absolutely fucking unacceptable. Not only does it take screenshots of whatever you're doing, it can't even bother to properly secure the data its collecting. And what does it offer that win10 doesn't anyway? A slightly uglier UI? Notepad now has tabs and darkmode? They moved all the system tools and menus again? Still locking baisc features like RDP behind the pro edition? What incredible innovation. Fantastic. Truly amazing for the flagship product of one of the most powerful companies in the world.

[@Seomus]

With some third party software, you can make windows 11 into Windows 10, including getting bak the old notepad if you want. The old Windows 10 context menus and taskbar are still in the operating system code, all that's missing are the system icons which are easily downloaded by the program I use ot make windows 11 useable.

[@exDivinityFPS]

@@Seomus Honestly, with third-party software you can actually dramatically improve upon the UI experience in Windows 11. Shouldn't need to use third-party applications to achieve this level of customizability in this operating system, however. I actually don't have any regrets from going to 11, but I absolutely can see where this sort of experience would leave the vast majority of users displeased. Possibly even confused. Microsoft can do better and they must.

[@Manny082]

The problem i had with windows 10 is the dumb watermark you get if you dont have a legit copy or your like me and transferring windows 10 from another machine. Other than that, i havent had any real complaints. It depends on how you use the OS, like i switched from using the start menu to using windows explorer and desktop icons activate programs or start audiobooks.

[@Swiftbow]

@@Seomus They're there NOW, yes. But will they be after the next big update?

[@parkerbohnn]

@@Manny082 i still use an older version of Powerdesk Pro instead of using windows explorer.

[@tiemenvanderbijl785]

the "pushing adds down your throat" is also a big feature no one asked for and tries to stay away from as long as they can

[@detective_mitch_conner]

What ads? I keep seeing this but I have no ads on my windows 11.

[@nathanryan8421]

its ads not adds

[@LeafBoye]

​@@nathanryan8421they also don't even have ads on homepage

[@drainx85]

​@@detective_mitch_conner Typical bot "I dOn'T gEt AdS, tHeReFoRe ThEy DoN't ExIsT"🤡

[@ReaperS2109]

@@detective_mitch_conner yeah i just installed a couple of weeks ago and and havent messed with the system at all and havent seen a single ad

[@AdamWagner-uo2zh]

I've been using Windows 11 for over a year, and it's absolutely terrible. There are so many problems, and often the whole system doesn't work properly. It's just a mess. I'm going back to Windows 10, I don't care. My wife's parents never upgraded from Windows 7, and their PCs and laptops still work perfectly to this day. Microsoft is just trying to scare people with all the talk about updates and security. My wife's parents hate updates because every time there's a major one, Microsoft ends up ruining their computers-or ours.

[@melih1528]

Windows 11: Drivers crash for no apparent reason Upgrade to Windows 10: Crashes are gone

[@khelben1979]

:)

[@roklaca3138]

That happens in unix command line batshit (linux) too

[@SteveBarna]

The win11 install didn't even have the driver's for my LAN so it couldn't actually install properly. What a joke lol

[@gulaurfo6104]

My Windows 11 laptop legit freezes every now and then, like months apart, and I have to force shutdown, I can't pinpoint anything that could be causing that

[@Wrang15]

Yep I have that with a ubs weather data recorder. 11 it crashes at radom... once a day, maybe once a week or month.... stuck windows 10. Back on... 7 months now it just runs and records.

[@TheHangarHobbit]

The fact that MSFT will approve an Intel Celery "Walmart Special" with 4Gb of RAM and eMMC that runs like ass but won't approve a first gen Threadripper or i7 7700k that can do donuts around the Celery in first gear just shows it is about selling new hardware, not security or use experience. I mean get fricking real, does ANYBODY here believe those "advanced security features" are going to be able to run when that Walmart Special is about to melt when it has to load 2 tabs in Chrome?

[@eagle-eyes777]

Oh my. "Walmart Special" is going to be my go to term for crappy prebuilts now, thank you

[@sihamhamda47]

Yeah that's wild, considering that the i7 7700k and R7 1700X can still play Cyberpunk at 60+ fps if paired with good enough GPUs They should scale the eligibility based on performance rather than hardware features

[@JamesTDG]

Plus it turns out those hardware requirements actually come with, guess what, security problems!

[@tfr]

i love intel celery

[@sobreaver]

One thing I know for sure though, is that even when you will upgrade to win 11 for better security, you will still have updates over updates over updates to download after, just to keep secure, but the next update only tells you that you weren't secure in the last update, go figure >.>

[@WaiGee_]

its hilarious to me how much microsoft has tried to tell me to install win11 only to say "oh oops you dont have the security thingy" THEN WHY DO YOU EVEN BOTHER ASKING?????

[@Mario583a]

Microsoft do a little trolling. It's probably a setting you can toggle on in the BIOS, if you have it. TPM / fTPM

[@WaiGee_]

@@Mario583a you are correct and I was aware of it, but it did not tell me that I can toggle it on or off, only that I didn't have it and then went "oh oops, you don't have it, that's unfortunate" just to taunt the user. For the average tech illiterate person this is very confusing and annoying, even for the tech literate it's annoying and confusing

[@nirtas4073]

They suggest win11 for me with a i7-2600k.

[@misterdfg]

@@nirtas4073 Meanwhile my i7-8900k doesn't meet the requirements

[@parkerbohnn]

@@nirtas4073 I still have a computer from 2009 with a I7-870 cpu.

[@jibberism9910]

I'm running Windows 11 on a new PC. As things are, our complaints seem powerless against this hostile corporate takeover of our world.

[@Nordern]

Man i still miss Win7, Win10 is working great now but felt so unneccesary

[@TheEVEInspiration]

Yeah, Windows 7 was the best Windows so far. I still miss the easy positioning of windows (like one app left and another tight), why they removed it beyond me.

[@naufalap]

Win10 is way better at driver support tho, but I'd kill for win10 with win 7 appearance, settings, menus, and functionality

[@howardlam6181]

Unfortunately the lack of drivers and DX12, DX11 updates forced me to move to Win10

[@TheOzumat]

Don't forget that Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 has extended support until 2032.

[@howardlam6181]

@@TheOzumat no DX12 updates though

[@jojorumbles8749]

I'm giving strong considerations into switching to Linux.

[@Fredjikrang]

I’m trying now. If you just want to use a browser it is great. Otherwise be ready to do a lot of sleuthing online and typing obscure commands into the terminal. Also, if you sync your iPhone with your computer don’t bother. I haven’t found a reasonable way to do it yet.

[@sandrahiltz]

Same, I'd rather deal with the issues with Linux over going to Windows 11.

[@_Mike.P]

If you have a spare ssd you can already try dualbooting to get used to it.

[@RikkiSan1]

Do it, if you want a Windows like experience out of the box go with Linux Mint

[@jojorumbles8749]

@@Fredjikrang I mostly use my PC for gaming. I'm worried thst it won't be able to run games like FFXIV and BG3

[@Aderon]

All the big 'features' of 11 are strict non-starters for me. I don't want any AI integration, I already don't trust what my machine is doing in the background, the last thing I need it it doing things I can't even comprehend in the background (not to mention hogging resources). I already recently upgraded my motherboard and CPU to ones that are just barely short of being compatible, so I don't really want to buy new parts to upgrade my machine so soon. And I don't need integrated one-drive support since cloud storage means they can access my files without my consent, and as someone who primarily only uses one computer, if I need files to travel, a flash drive is sufficient.

[@AliciaGuitar]

Microsoft installed copilot without my permission even on windows 10 😠

[@shadowslyzethrogenada6728]

​@@AliciaGuitar uninstall it. Simple that's what I did on my PC

[@rascta]

The compatibility part is ridiculous. An OS released in 2021 should not be incompatible with a mid/upper-range 2019 chip that will be more than sufficient even for power users for years to come. And sure, you can bypass that check to install the OS anyway, but then next week they might release an update that bricks it or something. So that's not even a sensible workaround. Never mind the bad design. It's typical of Windows to have a flip/flop release cycle though. 2000 - good, ME - flop, XP - good, Vista - flop, 7 - good, 8 - flop, 10 - good, 11 - flop. I'll wait and see what they do with 12.

[@lordprotector3367]

I prefer XP and DOS :)

[@walkingonneedles]

the hell is wrong with people not even just getting a god damn usb these days, theyre fucking massive for so cheap theres no reason to wanna pay monthly prices for way less storage with something you have to have Internet connection to access and a whole online account tied to it instead of a physical little device you pay for once that holds like multitudes more storage

[@joeschmoe7324]

Got my wife a bottom of the bucket Lenovo for $158 out of the box win11 was unusable just mousing over an icon took upto 5 seconds to be recognized. To switch to Linux I spent $16 for a compatible wifi card and installed mint. It's now a snappy performing office machine.

[@Iroquois_Pliskin]

Windows 11 finally convinced me to look into installing Linux

[@amogus875]

i use linus btw!!!!!!!

[@eduardofreitas8336]

I want to switch so baaad but I work with unreal 5.... WHYY UNREAL WHY U BAD ON LINUX

[@eu6688]

same

[@katanimaaaa]

same but after 9 days my linux corrupted so switched back to w10 bruh

[@mac68tm]

@@katanimaaaa You must have done some pretty extreme dumb stuff to manage to corrupt a Linux distro or you picked a Linux distro that promised you a Microsucks Windblows experience. After nearly 30 years of using Linux I've never managed to do corrupt it and definitely I will never switch back to Windblows.

[@MissFoxification]

Everybody I know that uses 11 is not happy with it and multiple are "downgrading" to 10. I am still using 10 on my gaming machine and have no intention of "upgrading" anytime soon.

[@KeyJayHD]

I'd say if you can, give Nobara Linux with GNOME a try. Put it on its own drive and see if the games you want to play will work on it. You'll be using Proton for compatibility, but thanks to Steam Deck, that compatibility is massive and chances are, your game will work. Then if all works, switch over. Microsoft is ending support for Win10 in 2025 so best to get going now and deal with any growing pains now.

[@generalgrant2003]

Same

[@plumjet09]

So it is possible to downgrade

[@MissFoxification]

@@plumjet09 In most instances most likely. In some instances you may not find Win 10 compatible device drivers. If you want to "downgrade" I suggest opening device manager and the windows catalog, make sure there are win 10 device drivers for all devices. If it's a desktop it's also worth checking manufacturer websites.

[@thecryingsoul]

With a good deal of registry tweaks 11 is alright, but i'm still missing some basic features from 10 that makes it noticeably more annoying...

[@monkeykoder]

After months of harassment to downgrade to Windows 11 and years of harassment to use a Microsoft account I finally bit the bullet and fully switched to Linux and delete my personal Microsoft account.

[@forgogeorge9806]

Good move , who the sweet Fuck needs Microsoft garbage 😮!! Just cancel it " into Oblivion "

[@_natsura]

Windows 11 is the best advertiser for Linux TBH

[@alexrogers777]

Idk how they missed the Recall "feature" where windows 11 constantly takes screenshots of everything you do. I don't know anyone that's eager to voluntarily sign up to be under constant surveillance.

[@drainx85]

The people that "don't get ads" in W11 will love the recall feature.

[@Jorge.ALXNDR]

From what I know recall would be only available on the Snapdragons system anyway. I am using 11 and was already thinking about I would deactivate the "feature", like I did with Widgets. I miss Windows 7 gadgets 😂

[@ilenastarbreeze4978]

thing is im not sure this is legal, because if its taking information on say medical that impacts hippa laws

[@hopelessdecoy]

​@@Jorge.ALXNDRuntil you can't switch it off. Difference between recall and gadgets is your data makes them a TON of LLM money and recall is the Wonka golden ticket to your life.

[@prahastha1618]

It stores locally

[@lordsiomai]

Didn't Microsoft themselves say that Windows 10 will be the last they release and they'll just update it through the years?

[@fench1234567]

It's always been a tongue in cheek myth that "Microsoft Works".

[@mikewoodman2872]

Microsoft lies. Period.

[@oddtherapy8919]

yeah .. obviously a marketing ploy in hindsight though.

[@panzerdivisionxblackxmetal]

and now they make windows 12 lol

[@dottn]

That's what they're doing. Win 11 *is* an update to win 10, with feature and ui updates. You don't need to buy 11 if you have 10, because 11 is an _update_ to 10.

[@viccie211]

Fun fact, the Windows 11 start menu is nowadays built in React Native. React is the JavaScript library built by Facebook, React Native is built on top of that to allow native applications to be built with React code. This may be a contributing factor to the start menu not performing as well as React Native is, though easy to develop, not particularly well known for it's performance

[@alexlowe2054]

Windows 11 is probably the closest analog to Vista. A "new" OS built from the ground up to use "modern" development features, where the tech simply wasn't ready to run performance and security critical parts of the basic UI. I love the dotnet ecosystem today, and it's quite fast, but way back in 2007, the tech simply wasn't ready to be used to build core components of the OS. Windows 7 ended up either rolling back to older established technologies, or fixing the critical problems with the new tech, so it was pretty good. The biggest reason Microsoft is even supporting React native, is that they lost the developer race. Wayyy back when Blamer created the developers developers meme, Microsoft clearly understood that without developers, they had nothing. No one liked using Win32 to build desktop applications, and with the web browser war lost, and Microsoft out of the smartphone race, all the developers stopped caring about Windows desktop applications. Microsoft responded by trying to build newer, better APIs, that enabled similar mobile/browser functionality. But because no one liked the new Windows 8 APIs or the Windows app APIs, no one built apps for them. They missed the mark, and none of the trandy developers wanted to write desktop applications anyways. Instead, everyone jumped onto the Electron hype train, because they couldn't abandon desktop applications, but they didn't want to develop for desktop. So everyone built all their applications as rebranded web pages running in a copy of Chrome. Microsoft never got traction on any of the OS specific features or new APIs they wanted to push, so they ended up investing a HUGE amount of dev effort into a giant ecosystem that no one used. Honestly, the move to start officially supporting Javascript/html/css for Windows app development is pretty smart, since that's what everyone is already using. Microsoft at least wanted developers to be able to integrate with the basic capabilities of their OS window manager, which Electron didn't originally support. But rather than try to support a language that forces them to use a language, library, and runtime maintained by their competitors, Facebook and Google, they should have done what they did when Java was the most popular programming language. They should have built their own similar but better version, like they did with C# and the CLR. They've literally already got a huge open source ecosystem with a competent runtime. Why reinvent the wheel? Why try to integrate a technology that's clearly not ready for production? They literally already maintain TypeScript. They could have added a new JS-like language to the CLR, and avoided the insanity of trying to directly integrate into an ecosystem where they can't change the internals to work better with their applications. I can see this going two different ways. Either the React native stuff keeps receiving feature updates and eventually becomes stable and performant, or Microsoft gives up, undoes most of their work (yet again) and rolls back to the legacy APIs until someone once again tries to invent a new language that's just following some modern hype train. Personally, I can't wait for Windows 12 to abandon the react native garbage, or build a new runtime to transpile into something that runs on the CLR. There's no reason to use a technology that clearly can't support the features you're trying to deliver. Windows 11 will remain an upsetting disaster for as long as it's around, because the technology simply isn't ready to support the features its being asked to run.

[@abhaynath5833]

​@@alexlowe2054 I agree with you. Another point from desktop developer perspective. Imagine a developer wants to build a cross platform desktop app. Which Microsoft stack is he supposed to use ? Winform - Windows only WPF - Windows only UWP - Dead WinUi, Maui? It seems that even Microsoft is directionless in desktop development landscape.

[@NitzanBueno]

What's the source on that?

[@NitzanBueno]

@@abhaynath5833 I generally agree when it comes to third-party applications, but you'd think that when it comes to *their own start menu*, that they can hire a development team that can use native Windows APIs instead of using some slow mess. These people existed until now, didn't they?

[@randomstrangeroninternet8146]

I don't think that the React Native is the reason for slowness. The start menu is a few icons, a few texts, maybe a few lines or simple graphics, I don't remember the menu of Win11, but that's all. It would be fast in any programming language. I think that the real reason for slowness is that it uses a Copilot AI (that most people don't even want).

[@thebdceigal]

Thanks Microsoft for finally forcing me to switch to Linux.