Sylvia Plath was supposed to show "more understanding" to her husband having an affair without any intention of ending it? What kind of fools are commenting on this program.
@missplumtree9583 жыл бұрын
So true
@missplumtree9583 жыл бұрын
Foolish thoughts
@veronicawelsh53133 жыл бұрын
Narcissists!
@Mark-Smeaton2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Hughes never changed either. He was never monogamous. I bet he secretly enjoyed his reputation as a charismatic , "dangerous" womaniser too and used it to hook up with other women.
@aurorastorm98422 жыл бұрын
Like Oliver Reed who moved the air it's on his tombstone it would be naive to think that when you have a man like Ted Hughes like this in your life you have a tiger by the tail.
@pianobanter4 жыл бұрын
Sad to have learned that two people featured in this documentary, the poets Elaine Feinstein and Al Alvarez, both died on the same day, 23rd September 2019.
@billdenbrough5013 жыл бұрын
Ted would have read alot into that.
@LadyLazarus10274 жыл бұрын
he was indeed haunted by Sylvia's death and wrote a huge amount of poems about her; that's good. she was such a wonderful person, deserved so much more and better from life. she would have loved to know that her work got the recognition she so much desired, and bet she wouldnt have imagined it would still be studied and admired in the twenty-first century. your legacy remains, dear Sylvy.
@21stCen4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. What a lovely comment to leave on this video!
@mariedewitt50333 жыл бұрын
All tragic,Sylvia, Alyssa Weevil, Nicholas Plath , her son, all suicides, and Alyssa killed her child along with her. Ghastly. Mr. Hughes has something to answer for in his treatment of women
@supergrahamg3 жыл бұрын
I have to take issue with your assessment; Plath was a borderline personality grandiose narcissist; supremely talented, perhaps a genius, but completely unhinged. For me, she was ancient mythopeoic force, like a Fate or a Sibyl, but never in a million years a wonderful person, quite the opposite; she attacked everyone around her, her father, her mother, Ted Hughes her husband, her in-laws, and almost certainly her infant two children in her diaries which Hughes chose to destory in order to preserve the integrity of her literary talent. Nothing and no-one was ever good enough for her. For me, she resembles Arthur Schopenhauer, the nineteenth century Germany philosopher, and Francis Bacon, the twentieth century English painter, (not the seventeenth century essayist and thinker); all three were sociopaths. I revere and admire the achievement of Plath's poetry, but in respect of personality style, I am sorry, you just have it all wrong.
@LadyLazarus10273 жыл бұрын
@@supergrahamg I understand, I have dived deeper into these aspects of her personality and indeed she wasn't easy to deal with. but that's due to her mental health. she was very troubled and not properly medicated, so i personally wouldn't blame her for being the way she was. of course being mentally ill is not a justification for being a horrible person, but i understand it is not easy. i myself have issues and i can't imagine who i would be without my meds. i still admire Sylvia, though, maybe because i see something of myself in her. i understand why you hold such view, but i still choose to admire her talent nonetheless.
@barbaragraceful3 жыл бұрын
@@supergrahamg Just finished the recent bio on her, and it mostly confirms what you say, she was quite disturbed all her life. I could never grasp the hatred she had for her mother either, based on what I'd read.
@julie56684 жыл бұрын
My goodness, Freida sounds just like her mother.
@8angst87 ай бұрын
Huh? She sounds completely British, nothing like her mother.
@Chanitschka333Ай бұрын
Absolutely!❤ It's the voice of Sylvia.
@LouisHurler13 жыл бұрын
Not a massive fan of how they portrayed Plath in this documentary. The makers of this piece are clearly very pro Hughes.
@SisterJanet3 жыл бұрын
Framing a marriage and artistic partnership in terms team him/her is unhelpful. They were both complicated and flawed individuals who had their equal share of frailties and made mistakes. The only person who could have saved Sylvia was herself.
@LouisHurler13 жыл бұрын
@@SisterJanet Maybe that's correct, but Hughes' treatment of Plath certainly did not help the situation I'm sure.
@kurisensei3 жыл бұрын
What did they get wrong about Plath? Or was it not inaccurate, but only unappealing to you?
@LouisHurler13 жыл бұрын
@@kurisensei I'm not saying the things they said were necessarily incorrect, but it feels as if Hughes' treatment of Plath is almost justified by the creators of this documentary. Just my own opinion, but I feel Hughes' deplorable treatment of Plath (infidelity, lies, physical abuse) is not shown in the most faithful light in this doc, and Hughes is almost let off the hook by the makers when it came to taking responsibility for this. I understand its a documentary about Hughes' life, but I feel there is a strong bias towards showing Hughes' positive attributes instead of his negative ones.
@missplumtree9582 жыл бұрын
@@LouisHurler1 the comment saying Path should understand he couldn't end his extra marital affair, that's the most upsetting to me
@timdowling69504 жыл бұрын
Am I really the only person who has noticed that the dude died the day after Sylvia Plath's birthday? Birthday letters.
@21stCen4 жыл бұрын
Tim Dowling interesting, wait are you a columnist for the Guardian Weekend Mag or something lol
@FVaranga3 жыл бұрын
that is the same day she choose to die
@MegaJw993 жыл бұрын
yes
@f_t82043 жыл бұрын
No, I noticed too. October 28 vs October 27, Plath's birthday
@sibengerard18565 жыл бұрын
UN-MEASURABLE GRATITUDE FOR THIS VIDEO-THIS IS A GIFT
@helenturner45063 жыл бұрын
Inspirational The three hares, chasing one another forever.
@pepescat65412 ай бұрын
Ted Hughes poetry is an ideology of a wild animal who preyed on its victims. He was the predator
@happymaskedguy19433 жыл бұрын
Whoever chose the music for this documentary is superbly talented. Perfectly captures the mood.
@AnnabelleCharrier2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@catherinebourke14662 ай бұрын
Yikes. Some of the commentary has aged like milk.
@isbelle100Ай бұрын
Frieda Hughes just had the "chance" to hear Her Father's version", experience, etc, not her mother's!! Lets keep that in mind! She had that view...we' ll never know What was in Sylvia Plath's mind in spiite of all her poems, journals, letters, etc, biographies. Her Legacy is Linked to Hughes and Viceversa, as "artists". Why so little is dealth with the tragic end too of their son, who also committed suicide😢❤
@The-Portland-Daily-Blink3 жыл бұрын
He sounds so much like Richard Burton, its bizarre. Poor Frieda. I just wish I could hug her. That pain it never goes away.
@mrdarren10453 жыл бұрын
He sounds nothing like Burton. Burton is welsh not Yorkshire
@The-Portland-Daily-Blink3 жыл бұрын
@@mrdarren1045 Timbre of voice, baritone, yes he does sound similar to Burton...LOL..
@poetry20243 жыл бұрын
In fact I think Burton's voice, and possibly himself, is in the ad for Sea Witch hair dye that Assia wrote, a short clip of which is in this programme. Yes, Frieda is lovely in these interviews, I'd like to hug her too.
@ejc16923 жыл бұрын
I admit, as a sympathetic Plath admirer I dismissed Hughes until seeing this film. In his own right and on his own terms he was superbly talented and deserving of the credit he received. No one knows all of what occurred in that marriage but those two people; irregardless, whatever may or may not have happened it does not take away his God-given talent.
@mariedewitt50333 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, it took away souch more be and had ripple effects
@velocitygirl85512 жыл бұрын
Me too … that said he beat her and she miscarried her first child. I wouldn’t ever say “What people don’t understand, he was NICE TO HER” lol. That said, I’m starting to get closer to his work … close enough to read at least. 🥰
@Andy-lm2zp4 жыл бұрын
I love the Jonathan Bate biography, dark and detailed, Teds poems do something strange to me, breathing again, or moreover coming up for air from, not a darkened world to the light but the actual world from who knows where? I read the Times when it was out Daffodils is sublime !
@spritualelitist6652 жыл бұрын
Something extremely Pagan about Teds work. I've read a lot of occult writings and traditionalist writing, people like Evola and Jung. He must of been influenced by that stuff because it seems a constant theme throughout his writings. An ultra paganist feel about it. Very English. He's like a English Mystic the same way Yeats was an Irish Mystic.
@supergrahamg2 жыл бұрын
yes, quite possibly; however, shame about the Shakespeare motherlode obsession, akin to Yeats' pre-occupation with the occult. I believe half a dozen of Hughes' poems are remarkable, will stand the test of time. I salute you, Ted, valediction inscribed in granite gold leaf, on Dartmoor....a fitting epitaph in my opinion
@christinespencer6933Ай бұрын
The world was very different back then and it’s difficult to judge peoples’ actions then from the current standpoint of information on mental illness and living conditions etc prevailing at that time. They were both passionate people, passion is suffering, it drives an artists struggle to put form on something that is forcing its way out and is very destructive if blocked. They were both artists in the grip of this and responded in different ways, no one was there so no one truly knows what happened between them. This documentary was made nearly 10 years ago so the speakers are from a different time, a different generation with different attitudes dating from the middle of the last century, so although you may not agree with them think how people will regard this generations attitudes 50-70 years in the future.
@grandfathersbooks61775 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this. I've been looking for it for years.
@treyblake15 жыл бұрын
Same !
@helenturner45063 жыл бұрын
So have I - wrote to the Ted Hughes society a year or two ago and they told me it was only available for study on special permission. Such a joy to see it come up, not just a clip!
@lesliegoodman-malamuth97963 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@christinespencer6933Ай бұрын
Me too
@jackjohnhameld64013 жыл бұрын
*I think of poems as a sort of animal; they have their own life, like animals; by which I mean that they seem quite separate from any person, even from their author. And nothing can be added to them, or taken away, without maiming and perhaps even killing them.* Vintage Ted Hughes.
@jillsolnicki75633 жыл бұрын
A beautiful and moving "summary" of Hugh's life. However, there is no mention of Nicolas, his and Sylvia's second child, after his babyhood. He became a biologist, I think, and committed suicide in Alaska. Why leave out this man, Sylvia and Ted's second, in whom the legacy of depression and suicide continued? Another tragedy for Hughes, and his daughter.
@owofoxy49733 жыл бұрын
web.archive.org/web/20090326004525/newsminer.com/news/2009/mar/23/nicholas-hughes-son-major-poets-emerged-prominent-/ He didn't think it was a good idea to have his life and family connections written about. He deserved his privacy.
@SisterJanet3 жыл бұрын
Because it's irrelevant (N. passed away long after his parents) and seeing as he was an extremely private man I've no doubt his sister would have insisted the programme makers respect that and exempt him from discussion.
@happymaskedguy19433 жыл бұрын
Because this isn't a documentary about the Hughes family. It's about Ted's life - Frieda is only there to tell what she knew about him in life. Nicholas, tragically, is not. But to include him, in my mind, would seem somewhat ghoulish, as it isn't relevant to the subject: Ted and poetry.
@mariedewitt50333 жыл бұрын
@@happymaskedguy1943 then Sylvia and all other parties should be excluded as well
@velocitygirl85512 жыл бұрын
He beat her so that she miscarried her first child … I wouldn’t say he was NICE to her. Smh.
@mrdarren10452 жыл бұрын
And you can prove that can you?
@tadhgdwebb94303 жыл бұрын
The documentary didn't need so much doomful music and dramatic imagery. The poems and the contributor's voices, including Hughes, would suffice. Thought the sounds and imagery were too imposing, quite ad odds with the restrained, austere energy of Hughes's poetry.
@villagechillershorror2283 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with that. I found it to be a bit of a nuisance as well.
@MSP-w8r2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this documentary! It is a gem for us lovers of poetry and source of inspiration.
@happymaskedguy19433 жыл бұрын
I can't stop re-watching this. It's become a lifeline of inspiration in my own writing. Thank you again for sharing it.
@21stCen3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome, my friend
@alphavolta50385 жыл бұрын
The way Jill Barber acts like a giddy schoolgirl makes me sick to be honest.
@gardengirl74465 жыл бұрын
Yeah wasn't he "married" to carol orchard then?
@alphavolta50385 жыл бұрын
@@gardengirl7446 yep
@lizziebkennedy75054 жыл бұрын
Garden Girl yes.
@ktnworth3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I also think it's somewhat shocking he invited her to sleep in his bed (presumably alone and just for rest, but still...not very professional?)
@supergrahamg2 жыл бұрын
@@ktnworth Poetry is not a profession; what a terrible line. But it worked. Have no heroes.......
@thomassimmons19505 жыл бұрын
Ted and Sylvia's daughter is absolutely stunning. Say what you like about their marriage; they together produced this lovely woman.
@christianealshut11235 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's as if she unites the best of both her parents in herself.
@Px8284 жыл бұрын
I was struck by how much her voice is like Sylvia's.
@8angst83 жыл бұрын
HUH? Frieda is ordinary.
@DSmith-mg6ui4 ай бұрын
People should read his "The Dogs Are Eating Your Mother", in Birthday Letters, in which he likens his feminist critics to "hyenas" fattening on Sylvia's corpse. A brilliant and very to-the-point demolition job.
@MrsRichardDalloway25 күн бұрын
Complete projection on his part. It was Ted and Olwyn and Ted's second wife who fed and fattened on Sylvia's corpse. Even this documentary admits that they all lived on royalties and permissions and movie rights to Sylvia's work.
@DSmith-mg6ui25 күн бұрын
@@MrsRichardDalloway And rightly so. That made up for the loss of income he had gotten from his readings because of all the pandemonium feminists created in the audience.
@MrsRichardDalloway25 күн бұрын
@@DSmith-mg6ui Hughes got heckled from time to time, but if he shrank away from readings because of an occasional confrontation, that’s pretty cowardly of him. He did express guilt and regret about how he treated Plath to a number of people who knew him. “It doesn’t fall to many men to murder a genius,” he told one.
@DSmith-mg6ui23 күн бұрын
@@MrsRichardDalloway There were threats of violence issued against Hughes. There was a widespread rumor that a band of lesbians was going to kill him if he returned to the United States. So he never came back, not once, for many years before his death. Hilarious to see women who seemed so earnest about it back then now backtracking and saying they didn’t mean it, like Morgan in this video. Perhaps they know that in an English court, where libel is much easier to prove than in the States, the statute of limitations for malicious acts leading to loss of income runs much longer than here too, and Frieda, who publicly loathes these women, could get it going again any time? “Who knows?"
@DSmith-mg6ui12 күн бұрын
@@MrsRichardDalloway Hughes in fact was subjected to death threats. Also in Birthday Letters, people should read, “The Other”, which is addressed directly to the American feminist poet who started the whole bandwagon against him and her jealousy of Plath.
@JCPJCPJCP3 ай бұрын
Robin Morgan is, apparently, a lousy poetess.
@orionfoote28905 жыл бұрын
Wow...a beautifully made production...very illuminating.
@yoon71535 жыл бұрын
Wonderful, thank you for sharing :)
@anushreerao88073 жыл бұрын
i wonder how he lived all these years, with all that guilt
@annieterniak17992 жыл бұрын
Hughes's voice sounds like it comes out of a horror movie.
@janemmb3 жыл бұрын
Two poets - one parent! Sylvias life changed when the children were born - his didn’t ............... has anything changed today? I hope so 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽RIP ladies
@mrdarren10453 жыл бұрын
Such a great parent she gassed herself in the house with her kids there. Then left them forever. What a mother. Is that called feminism?
@cript.4443 жыл бұрын
@@mrdarren1045 I can't believe this is an actual comment, omg. Imagine being this stupid
@mariedewitt50333 жыл бұрын
@@mrdarren1045 it is called clinical depression. Get educated about mental illness and don't judge
@spritualelitist6652 жыл бұрын
It was still horrific and morally wrong. That's like saying well he's into 12 year girls but hey its a mental illness, so lets be a pluralistic retard about it. Liberal drivel. It was wrong whatever way you look at it.
@sissy93932 жыл бұрын
@@mrdarren1045 Ted Hughes Killed Sylvia Plath
@killauntie3 жыл бұрын
An okay poet and horrid person. No way to explain away his repeated wretched deeds. Sylvia on the other hand was a terrible loss, don't think she would have left a wake of death and destroyed lives alas. She is missed
@denide89213 жыл бұрын
Women in the documentary are trying their best to protect him. He is narcissistic and become old with the years he stolen from his wives.
@SisterJanet3 жыл бұрын
Ted Hughes is one of the finest and influential poets in the English language . Sylvia was a brilliant but complicated and damaged woman who latterly became impossible to live with. Reducing her to mere victim at the hands of her husband and his partner insults her agency as both artist and woman. She would despise you for thinking so.
@kurisensei3 жыл бұрын
Hughes was a far superior poet to Plath. And seeing their daughter, I'm glad Hughes remained strong and raised her well, not abandoning her like her mother did.
@super.surabhi3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@bradleybeaumont92022 жыл бұрын
Stopped reading at “okay poet” - was one of the best to ever do it give over
@nicolev1984 жыл бұрын
Did I miss the part where they talk about how he burned Plath’s last journals?
@lesliegoodman-malamuth97963 жыл бұрын
@Nicole V We don’t know that they were burned; Hughes said the journals “disappeared, and may turn up.” So that dangles a carrot: perhaps the journals are hidden among his papers at Emory for later release?
@supergrahamg2 жыл бұрын
he did it to protect his children; read the poetry for her toxic assessment of motherhood
@calliopeclaire16992 жыл бұрын
@@supergrahamg He did it to cover his own abusive ass.
@johanneshendrikus66448 ай бұрын
None of our business!
@SarahLouiseA6 ай бұрын
I think the closest we will ever get to knowing the contents of Plath’s last journal are the explosive letters she sent to Ruth Beutscher that Hughes had no control over and which turned up out of the blue and which were included in the second volume of Plath’s collected letters. Apparently Hughes told Plath that their children should never have been born, and I think this is what Hughes didn’t want his children to read in case it damaged his relationship with them.
@missplumtree9583 жыл бұрын
The difference of Sylvia and Assia was Sylvia never k i l l e d her children, Assia did.
@Mark-Smeaton2 жыл бұрын
You're right. The night of her suicide, Plath went to extraordinary lengths to protect her children from the gas.
@missplumtree9582 жыл бұрын
@@Mark-Smeaton I heard Assia thought her daughter would be treated by people as second class child of Ted Hughes but I don't think that's an excuse. If she wanted her child to be well, then give her for adoption to any good relative or friend she had, shouldn't she? I think this is where the depth of the wisdom of both women had differs from one another. I guess Plath being a poet who used her feelings herself could feel pain so her level of wisdom is deep, while Assia was good in her creative side like an advertisement she designed gained success didn't really have that level of deep thinking.
@Mark-Smeaton2 жыл бұрын
@@missplumtree958 It's so sad in both cases - but as you say, there is a huge difference which speaks volumes about both women. For example, there is an unsent letter by Ted Hughes somewhere in his archive (apologies that I don't have the citation handy but I swear I have read this). I think it was to Jacqueline Rose and it was about Plath's journal - the one he infamously burnt because he claimed it would hurt her children. Hughes wrote that the only thing that Sylvia wrote that would have hurt her children was ONE sentence, on the very last page. He did not elaborate but in conjunction with her last poem, "Edge", I suspect that she wrote something to the effect that she was going to kill her children also - or maybe she just contemplated it or alluded to it. However (thank God), when push came to shove, Plath went to painstaking lengths to ensure the safety of her children. She didn't just stop at taping their door but also used towels and clothes, leaving their window open. Her body was still warm too, indicating she hadn't died until about 6AM - probably because she knew a nurse was arriving at 8AM. It was, I think, very carefully timed. Knowing as much as I do about suicide (my own mother took her life), these were quite impressive acts of maternal love because most people who kill themselves are in such profound states of apathy and ambivalence. I'm not sure that many people would go to that much effort. As for Assia, she asked both her sister and the novelist Fay Weldon to take care of Shura if anything happened to her but I don't think Assia liked other women much. I seem to remember she wrote "I couldn't stand some bloody woman" raising Shura. Coupled with that, Hughes apparently treated Shura very indifferently compared to Frieda and Nicholas (especially Frieda, who felt the need to write an article asserting that Shura was not even Hughes' daughter a few years ago). Maybe Assia thought Shura would be better off dead too but I don't know. Killing a child is a very difficult thing to see as an act of benevolence. I did feel pity for Assia after reading that biography of her published some years ago but I also read a study of parents who kill their children as well as themselves - the author argues that contrary to popular belief, parents usually DON'T kill children as a delusional act of mercy. It's a retaliatory act of vengeance - don't ask me how the author arrived at this conclusion but it was by a supposed expert in the field. Horrific subject, either way!
@missplumtree9582 жыл бұрын
@@Mark-Smeaton what does bloody mean in Assia's sentence? Did she mean both women are bad people or something similar? Or rather she doesn't want any woman good or bad to take care of Shura? I had suicidal thoughts too when I was a teenager but k i ll ing others along with my suicide never occurred to me.
@Mark-Smeaton2 жыл бұрын
@@missplumtree958 @Miss Plumtree "Some bloody woman" in that sentence simply means , "Some f*cking stupid/annoying woman". Bloody was a very old school British/Australian word. Assia didn't seem to be referring to any woman in particular. Secondly, sorry for writing such insanely long, rambling posts. I'm recovering from numerous injuries atm and forced to spend a lot of time in bed. I have way too much time on my hands. lol
@junetakesover4 ай бұрын
interesting how they both used each other to reach their ambition: to become poets. and of course becoming a poet means becoming an archetype, to transcend being a person, to belong to people as a collective idea, a collective image. but when the collective themselves take control of the creation of the myth and turn him into "evil husband", they don't like it. lol his daugthter even seems hurt and offended by it: 01:06:09 she clearly didn't understand that the problem in that moment was that the power of myth making was taken from ted hughes hands by the very collective he was inscribing himself in. as for him, with all that interest in magic, anthropology and myth he understood it very well ...... just probably didn't like the feeling of losing power over the narrative. truth is if you're trying to become an archetype and you succeed there is no switch. you can't just shut off being an archeype to become a person again when it interests you.
@c_lala12 сағат бұрын
Interesting take... I enjoyed reading and pondering on it. I finished the book of her letters recently, and from my eyes, it appeared the shift was rather sudden- in her view of him as no longer the "hero" of her story.
@FrancieMoon9 Жыл бұрын
Frieda is adorable. I love her story about her parents being on her syllabus for school!
@indubitablysoyall11 күн бұрын
I am curious about the last journals that Ted burned. All he implied was that she was ...err.....like so far gone beyond help. Its that we truly will never know what she said
@JoanMcMillan1959Күн бұрын
I conjecture she may have considered taking the children with her (re: her "Edge" poem) and wrote about that in her last journal (and obviously changed her mind). I wondered about this because Assia Wevill had read Sylvia's journals and decided to do what Sylvia could not--thus hurting Hughes even more.
@indubitablysoyallКүн бұрын
@@JoanMcMillan1959 i agree with your theory. I'd have loved to see her live at least into the 1990s to see how beloved her work had become but I think she still would have committed suicide before that could happen
@happymaskedguy19433 жыл бұрын
For anyone wondering about other music in the video: 1:14:10 is 'Said and Done,' by Nils Frahm, from his album, 'The Bells'. 1:26:55 is 'Last Night the Moon Came', by Jon Hassell from his album, 'Last night the moon came dropping its clothes in the street'.
@jejesus2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Sadly Hassell passed away a few months ago.
@happymaskedguy19432 жыл бұрын
@@jejesus I didn't realise. That's terrible.
@Sleepflowrr2 жыл бұрын
I suggest this podcast of 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5OpmWaJrLKCbac he was a monster
@degalan26563 жыл бұрын
ultimately everything becomes so petty between folk.
@The-Portland-Daily-Blink3 жыл бұрын
Ted Hughes reading is almost perfect. Dramatic but not overdone. They were so talented, so good for each other. Sad that their fate was to bump into a sociopath and a murderer in the guise of a beautiful woman. Assia was truly evil.
@pepescat65412 ай бұрын
What about mentioning her "miscarriage"? And the taunt of killing herself to have his daughter and the house? The truth is out there
@8angst8Ай бұрын
Plath's miscarriage came about right after she'd destroyed his family-heirloom table and methodically torn up all of his written work. Why? Because he was late getting home from his BBC job interview. They got in a fight (understandably so) after his return home. Their marriage went downhill after this.
@alisonwinter90224 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for uploading this !
@21stCen4 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome!
@velocitygirl85512 жыл бұрын
Frieda has the most beautiful arms 💪
@Barbarra632973 жыл бұрын
Ted Hughe's name should be stricken from any documentaries, stories or anything remotely connected to Sylvia Plath, he was a vile man only concerned with himself and his image, he digusts me totally.
@kurisensei3 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the documentary?
@super.surabhi3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@helenturner45063 жыл бұрын
They are inextricably linked, interwoven. It would be quite false to expunge Ted from Sylvia's story
@belladonna59042 жыл бұрын
But without Sylvia, there's no story to tell.
@patbest70572 жыл бұрын
Let's not hide truth As husband he was lousy constant affairs Cannot leave out two women's suicides and sons suicide very sad When young very handsome narc women drawn to
@Sylvie3273Ай бұрын
They were all looking for a saviour, a hero, in him, as we all search for: but he was only a shell of a human being, a poseur, a failure , a leech.
@marinaloulli34522 жыл бұрын
I’m in heaven with this documentary, to see all the poets I’ve read myself raw with talking.
@21stCen2 жыл бұрын
What a lovely comment! Much appreciated
@HaFannyHa2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this brilliant programme!
@adrianmichaelkelly2774 жыл бұрын
Ted Hughes might have suffered a poorer biographer than Jonathan Bate, but I hope that he'll enjoy a better one in future. And as for Ms. Robin Morgan, her dross will justly dissolve in oblivion, while the poetry of Hughes will, rightly, live on.
@21stCen4 жыл бұрын
And I concur wholeheartedly ;)
@alansturgess13244 жыл бұрын
Absolutely - pure hatred without any semblance of understanding. Just listen to Frieda talking about her father - if anyone knows the truth of the man, she does. if you doubt that - just watch the last few seconds of this documentary. Morgan will be unknown in a few years. The best possible epitaph for her will be 'Who?'
@HaFannyHa3 жыл бұрын
@@alansturgess1324 I have actually tried reading Morgan's work. Frankly, she is among the worst poets I've ever read. Yes, she deserves obscurity.
@alansturgess13243 жыл бұрын
@@HaFannyHa Can you recommend a typical piece of writing by her? I found her bile-spitting misandry so full of personal prejudice that I never thought to see what she considers to be poetry. Can you suggest something?
@HaFannyHa3 жыл бұрын
@@alansturgess1324 You have explained the problem with Morgan perfectly! I wouldn't direct anyone to read her 'work'. I'm sure you can find examples through Google, including 'Arraignment', her attack on Hughes. My god, she had no heart. She would've hurt Frieda and Nick, Aurelia and Warren Plath and others in their families, as well as Ted Hughes. The 'Monster' collection wasn't published in Britain, but I still think Hughes should've sued her for defamation. No, I don't recommend Morgan at all.
@oddysysorry10 ай бұрын
I am beyond happen this is back, I was so angry it was taken down. Now I can watch it again every single day like I did before
@timrichards23803 жыл бұрын
Isn't obvious to everyone that a lot of these people are pro Ted?
@kurisensei3 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't they be
@calliopeclaire16992 жыл бұрын
Very sexist.
@carlosdepaulo85808 ай бұрын
He was a good poet, but Plath achieved, by her own unique merits (far above and beyond Hughes' boring and presumptuous male poetry), a worldwide status that he could only have dreamt about. Clearly a womanizer, an immature, an overpraised white straight male. Of course, he won the Pulitzer (Snodgrass, Lowell, Berryman... Sexton - all these confessional ports did it too) - but that is too little for the (extremely) high account in which he had himself. RIP.
@Ax18NY3 жыл бұрын
Excellent documentary. The music has the perfect pitch. Hughes was an extraordinary poet and Path a fine one. Their respective work and the integrity of their daughter, is a tribute to the both of them. The suicides... only the word, tragedy, is appropriate. PS Morgan is appalling.
@ktnworth3 жыл бұрын
Plath was an extraordinary poet, Hughes a fine one*
@46metube3 жыл бұрын
It’s shameless on the one hand how they play up the animal imagery of him - and hypocritically try to play it down with the other, and all along some of these people seem to be in a semi state of masturbatory excitement. While Mr Armitage appears to be half asleep almost unable to say what he really feels? I get the feeling from watching this well dressed lurid titillation that Ted Hughes would somehow be embarrassed at worst or simply laugh it off as light entertainment for those who know nothing of the poet or his poetry.
@billdenbrough5013 жыл бұрын
Reading Ted Hughes changed my life. A poets poet.
@kristofthibaud84913 жыл бұрын
changed Sylvia's life arc as well
@happymaskedguy19432 жыл бұрын
@@kristofthibaud8491 It could be argued that Ted Hughes turned Sylvia into the poet she became. Without his influence she wouldn't have written much of her greatest work. And I honestly believe that Plath would have killed herself regardless of meeting Hughes. She'd attempted it several times throughout her life beforehand.
@belladonna59042 жыл бұрын
Ted Hughes himself acknowledged that he would be be unknown off fishing somewhere in Australia and not a poet laureate If not for Sylvia pushing him so hard. I have to agree with him.
@belladonna59042 жыл бұрын
And yes she had attempted suicide but hadn't followed through. That could have been the case here too if Ted wasn't such a callous man while he cheated and toyed with her emotions.
@billdenbrough5012 жыл бұрын
@@belladonna5904 Wrong. She attempted suicide and was saved because she took too many pills and vomited them up. It wasn't a case of she backed out at the last minute. She suffered from severe mental illness and would have been very difficult to live with. She completely destroyed his work on a number of occasions. Hughes isn't conventionally blameless but he also isn't ultimately responsible. I do agree with you though that she helped him as much as he helped her in finding their voices and developing their talent.
@Johnconno7 ай бұрын
These celibate academics think he's Byron, Burton and Heath cliffe...
@candletabletop15416 сағат бұрын
LOL you're right
@Edameda_mmori2 жыл бұрын
what is this documentary about?
@scoon211710 күн бұрын
Where are the worlds poets?
@treyblake15 жыл бұрын
Thankyou SO much xxx
@kurisensei4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload. The opening is so powerful. Anyone know the music?
@nancyrose80284 жыл бұрын
@walkfromthewaves there are a couple of songs listed in the description. Maybe one of those?? Good luck! Hope you find it.😊
@kurisensei4 жыл бұрын
@@nancyrose8028 nope, but thanks anyway
@nancyrose80284 жыл бұрын
@@kurisensei 😃
@pianobanter4 жыл бұрын
The opening music is called "Erosion of Mediocrity" by Manchester duo "Demdike Stare". I have finally discovered all the various titles featured on the soundtrack to this film so let me know if i can help any further (i've made a playlist on spotify).
@kurisensei4 жыл бұрын
@@pianobanter that's the one! Thank you very much indeed. I've found it on Spotify
@gabrielagelsi17433 жыл бұрын
Dónde ver con subtítulos en español?
@clumsytriangle24363 жыл бұрын
The irony of him being more well-known while Sylvia was alive is that she is more famous now. I am a layperson who enjoys poetry but never really read or studied it after I completed high school. However, I already knew the name Sylvia Plath, although I am not American and we studied the old poets: Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Donne, Keats, Yeats etc. and no American poets. So it was only recently when I read The Bell Jar and became interested in her life, that I heard of Ted Hughes. I am sure if you ask any person off the street if they have heard of Sylvia Plath, they will say yes. But ask them if they have heard of Ted Hughes...I am not so sure. Nevertheless, I am happy to have discovered Ted and his poetry, but Sylvia is definitely my favourite poet. In the video, Feinstein doesn't seem convinced of Sylvia's talent or posthumous fame, or Ted and Assia's role in her suicide etc., but clearly lights up when talking about Ted, Lol, I suppose there will always be two camps.
@supergrahamg2 жыл бұрын
There does not need to be two camps; I see the merit in both oeuvres; Plath appeals to me more because she was troubled, something Greek, sybylline, about her. And you cannot argue with the authenticity of that, because of the suicide. But give poor Ted a break; from the getgo, he was in over his head. Pathology will always have its day......
@yiquanawalkb4run26Ай бұрын
Frieda, you speak volumes for your mother and father, beautiful woman, exemplary, may it please Allah to say so
@zipreeper76384 жыл бұрын
Tragic he was more fixated on nookie than rhimes
@21stCen4 жыл бұрын
zip reeper Hahahaha
@supergrahamg2 жыл бұрын
well, he got that right, for sure
@isbelle100Ай бұрын
Poetry has been too long under patriarchal gaze!! The Eternity will Be Yours Plath. They both influenced each orher: English vs American Culture❤❤
@8angst8Ай бұрын
Sick to death of academic terms like "patriarchal." The best poems rise to public awareness despite any academic attempts to promote them.
@SIGSEGV13372 күн бұрын
No it really hasn't... women's poetry has a long and well known history.
@patriciaketola69193 жыл бұрын
Just great!
@21stCen3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😊
@constancewalsh36462 жыл бұрын
How things happen. Sylvia Plath's"Unabridged Journals" bought on impulse in an antique shop. Random reading in the car. No, too heavy. Put in give-away pile. Pluck it back weeks later. Open at random to the page of her first meeting with Hughes. The headband was red, she writes; not blue, as he wrote - poet's license! It's Saturday morning in the California desert, cold wind. I read and read and now it's too late to turn back. Discover "Stronger than Death." The very manna I seek and rarely find. Such gratitude for this, thank you from the depths. The depths... shadows of death, where ever fewer visit by intent and are doomed instead to live it. This man and this woman were equals, and they were the product of their times. Neither fully aware that, bound as we may be to one another, we are solely responsible for our lives and our emotional states. Neither fully aware that the edicts of love are made up by the culture, against which creativity and co-dependency will will kick and suffer. Blame is as ignorant and hideous as the accusatory poem shot at Ted Hughes - hearing it wrenched me, that my sisters should hate a man so. Always three fingers pointing back to the accuser, it's the higher law. I am a conscious woman who would be a masculinist as well as a feminist in truer terms. Both Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes were tremendous souls who gave their lives to poetry because they could not be otherwise, and in doing so, to the culture and to the world. Big souls are never victims.
@sarg34754 жыл бұрын
most fascinating.............
@21stCen4 жыл бұрын
True. Thank you
@helenturner45063 жыл бұрын
This was lost (to the public) for so long, I rejoiced to see it back again. From the BBC I used to love, but which sold its soul and betrayed us.
@dhss3334 жыл бұрын
Why would anywhere NOT be a good Place for a poet to be born?
@21stCen4 жыл бұрын
Aidan Convery Philip Larkin would have known the answer to this question, probably.
@dhss3334 жыл бұрын
@@21stCen Hull did not adversely affect Larkin's poetry .
@PoppyB20114 жыл бұрын
You speak of Feminism, and yet fail to attribute the choice and responsibility of these women to themselves. There are some types of women who seek out polarizing and interesting, and learned, men like Ted Hughes. Most of these women are intellectuals and knew exactly what they were doing.
@lizziebkennedy75054 жыл бұрын
PoppyB2011 They continued to seek him out, successfully, long after his marriage to a woman who was not an intellectual. Mr Hughes surely had some volition.
@nnywasneverhere4 жыл бұрын
Your level of intellect doesn't correlate with your mental health. Sylvia and Assia were both brilliant women but their downfall was the times they were living in.. In the 1950s, ignorance about mental health meant that there was extreme stigma and fear surrounding it. People with mental health problems were considered 'lunatics' and 'defective' and were sent off to asylums. 'Insanity' was thought to be incurable and there was no incentive to treat it. I mean, Sylvia was forced to take electric shock therapy for her depression! The 50s were tough on women and the mentally ill.
@smpeace26833 жыл бұрын
Sadly Ted sought death instead of LIFE. His name is Jesus. SEEK JESUS today and LIVE !
@HaFannyHa3 жыл бұрын
oh get knotted and keep your bible bashing to yourself. not suitable here.
@keithmahone673 жыл бұрын
What a ridiculous fucking soap opera!
@dhss3334 жыл бұрын
Rabid Robin (Morgan.)
@ВикторНорман3 жыл бұрын
Какая мерзость и жестокасть к дивотнам.
@claracaramanna3973 жыл бұрын
With two such incredible poets for parents you would think Frieda would be a poetic colossus
@HaFannyHa3 жыл бұрын
Actually, Frieda is a very good poet (try her collections '45' or 'Stonepicker'). She has suffered from the expectation hoisted on her simply because of who her parents were. I have such respect for Frieda.
@annemorrissey93013 жыл бұрын
Please let people be their own people.
@ericlegge28844 жыл бұрын
Most poets are narcissistic con artists, in my opinion. They use words to aggrandise themselves. The words have to sound as impressive as possible. Having watched this, i would put Hughes and Plath in that category.
@happymaskedguy19433 жыл бұрын
No, they use words because they feel the need to create. I'm willing to bet that you're imaginatively bankrupt.
@happymaskedguy19433 жыл бұрын
Ted Hughes was notoriously private. Did you actually watch the documentary?
@happymaskedguy19433 жыл бұрын
@Melissa Nicholson Okay, that's one hell of a claim. So you're saying that narcissists don't commit suicide?? Provide evidence please.
@supergrahamg3 жыл бұрын
and you, sir, sound like a self-regarding, ignorant ass
@degalan26563 жыл бұрын
opinions are best left to oneself. specifically if they say little about the subject matter. often one is what one accuses others of first hand.
@davis70993 жыл бұрын
1:06:50 A pattern emerges in the late 60s "Ariel" inspired feminist movement. Robin Morgan, Gloria Steinem, Jacqueline Rose, Sandra Gilbert et all ( curiously all Jewish critics ) round on Hughes and men in authority. These self elected activists made the Plath-Hughes story their own into order to strike a political cudgel at Hughes and the " patriarchy" . Sitting in their Long Island homes today butter would not melt in their mouths. They were " thieves" of other peoples misfortunes.
@spritualelitist6652 жыл бұрын
leftism at its finest and its ironic they were off the ''tribe''. Ted was an English Mystic.
@wudima14442 жыл бұрын
I hate this son,fun
@oddysysorry8 ай бұрын
i recently finished reading my copy of birthday leters...and to be honest, its not a good bood. its too long and over indulgent.
@jimnewcombe75844 ай бұрын
It's just plain bad writing as well. His penultimate book Tales from Ovid is far better.
@8angst8Ай бұрын
That's not the point of "Birthday Letters." The point is, he left a poetic memory to her right before his death.
@oddysysorryАй бұрын
@@jimnewcombe7584 you're right , i still think its a bit long but much much better, and more interesting
@oddysysorryАй бұрын
@@8angst8 i dont know what to say to you, other than his poetic memory was trash, you can go and read it and love it, i will never read it again
@veronicawelsh53133 жыл бұрын
Narcissist! Evil Narcissist! Why can't people see this. He needs cancelling!
@aurorastorm98422 жыл бұрын
He does not need cancellation myopia becomes you . He was a force of Nature . Free Speech means exactly that.
@mrdarren10452 жыл бұрын
Woke morons who talk about cancelling ppl need cancelling. They are the death of free speech.
@pianobanter2 жыл бұрын
Cancelling? Evil? Don't be ludicrous. What a bland, sanitised, stagnant world you would want to live in. Besides, some of the worst works of art ever created has been made by very nice people.
@calliopeclaire16992 жыл бұрын
1000%
@smpeace26833 жыл бұрын
When you dabble with the devil. He takes revenge. So Sylvia killed herself. Assia killed herself along with Ted's 4 year old daughter. Hughes son killed himself.
@nancywilson23142 жыл бұрын
The Assia death is the most tragic.
@belladonna59042 жыл бұрын
The common denominator here is Ted..
@mrdarren10452 жыл бұрын
A bit like what happened with led zeppelin after jimmy page's dabbling with the occult.