Leather and meat without killing animals | Andras Forgacs

By 2050, it will take 100 billion land animals to provide the world's population with meat, dairy, eggs and leather goods. Maintaining this herd will take a huge, potentially unsustainable toll on the planet. What if there were a different way? In this eye-opening talk, tissue engineering advocate Andras Forgacs argues that biofabricating meat and leather is a civilized way to move past killing animals for hamburgers and handbags.
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[@WeiYinChan]

If this becomes reality, so many problems would be solved. As long as there is no idiots going around saying "it's not natural"

[@clysen8234]

There will be. Trust me.

[@bikerlad3138]

WeiYinChan it's not natural

[@clysen8234]

Like I said.

[@ColeB-jy3mh]

Clysen hahaha thats funny, but the problem is not the fact that people are saying it's not natural. The problem will be when people thinking, for example this unnatural food is harmful, or crap like that. lol or others saying, the horror!!!! ITS NOT ORGANIC, so hide your kids and run for your lives.

[@clysen8234]

Cole 10367 Well, there are people on some sites that say such things, already. They are like: "Oh those Amercian wants to kill us all so they can become gods. This is their plan" etc.. Fact is, none of those claims have evidence, it's just fear of unknown. :D

[@AA-ez9cn]

"We no longer enslave animals for food purposes." William Riker, 24th century

[@Anomadsoul]

Will we care about wether they survive along with us when we dont need them anymore?

[@bikerlad3138]

Veej Jeiss well not actually

[@antibreeder1m]

That's far too long into the future. Let's focus on getting it done during our lifetime. I dont want to die before I see real progress. Too many vegan dreamers.

[@rodneyjohnson7958]

+Orsoral we will still need them just not in the massive quantities that we have now and we will still need some animals provide milk and still some to provide leather but we just won't need the ginormous feedlots that we have now

[@JenaiHerod_Paws4mercy]

dont understand why this hasnt gone VIRAL YET

[@Crimsom89]

+Paws For Mercy then you better stop using any computers, cell phones and any other electronic devices around your house, because most, if not all of them are at least partially manufactured in China.

[@innazhurav9622]

This great innovation impressed and encouraged me much. Respect to all the people who care about such issues.

[@rimmijohnson3361]

****Amazing, and truly key to our advancement as a civilization. *** Very much support this

[@ColeB-jy3mh]

Rimmi Johnson Yes this is cool, but will people really be willing to eat something that was grown, or has GMOs like this?

[@MrsCollVani]

Cole 10367 u dont eat leather

[@ColeB-jy3mh]

Sharvani s No, but if he grew meat that would be sweet

[@TouxA66]

We already grow meat, it's called ranching.

[@cassanoa]

it is a great concept

[@soleil05]

I'm here because we have debate about should we kill animals for resources, I'm glad I searched it. I'm so touched, well done sir👏

[@MrsCollVani]

Huge respect to inventors like this! Salute!!

[@kaminarigaston]

A great idea, and a short and to the point presentation, no need to preface it with a boring tale of his personal journey, no need to talk about himself, no need to show pictures of his family and friends... Refreshing.

[@millergqgq]

Future customer right here.

[@DiViViO]

The best Ted Video I have ever seen, Bravo Andras !

[@gladsheep]

I apologize if my comment was distasteful. How do you suppose I do it if I'm doing it wrong? I'm curious, have you seen one of those videos where a cow is set up to be slaughtered, a worker cuts its throat, the cow frantically stumbles around, eventually enough blood is lost it falls, its breathing defeatedly slows, one worker urinates on its face while another kicks its pooling blood onto its face. I wonder whose burger that ended up as and if the person devouring it had a moment's pause.

[@Cineenvenordquist]

No wheat, nothing from patisserie, avoiding rice and potato and broccolini? You've made me much more curious than the younger Forgacs tanner Andras here. Good going.

[@louisvictor3473]

That is why I support localized production. Today we have technology and knowledge (this being far more important) to cheaply and easily raise small animals like chickens and rabbits in sufficient amounts even on cold places (with proper insulation you barely need to spend energy, fur and animal own heat keep their ideal temperature). That means no transportation waste/cost, no need for fancy plastic wasteful packaging, and so on. Everyone wins. Except big food industry. Now connect the dots...

[@mynameisnat1]

Officially MY FAVOURITE TED talk. Flawless, revolutionary and inspirational. Thank you!

[@anuhirawat]

very humane and thought provoking.

[@KarilSampson]

Gosh. You people have the silliest conversations. Sign of our times that we prefer to argue over inanities than consider potential and compromise. What this presenter said was that we have the potential to feed our population in 50 years without destroying our environment or fighting over resources. This is the beginning of something truly wonderful for all of us. Whether you are a meat eater or strict vegetarian.

[@Kukakkau]

Exactly, people need to realise that even if an idea sound like a miracle solution if it isn't cost effective it will go nowhere in this world. I'm also very curious as to what energy source they use for growing these cells

[@KlarLogik]

I kinda like this because of the reasoning of 'being humane' and whatnot, but rather than using cell cultures to create leather.. couldn't it be possible to create some machine that simply bypasses all that and strings together the various chemicals (like collagen) that would make a substance similar to leather? I'm wondering if something like that would be simpler or more complex.

[@Pfefferkatze]

This is so awesome! I hope in the future this will become the standard and people stop abusing and killing animals.

[@Mastikator]

Computers used to cost millions and fit into werehouses, now they cost almost nothing and fit in your pocket. Same progress will occur to this. It'll start out with huge breweries. But eventually anyone will be able to grow meat.

[@JenaiHerod_Paws4mercy]

why isnt this on the 5 oclock and 11 o clock news and why is this not being put into effect immediately I cant believe its not getting more support , IT IS THE BEST HOPE THIS PLANET HAS and you are a GENIUS who ma have saved the world I wept with joy upon seeing this and am sharing this video EVERY WHERE GOD BLESS YOU

[@samwendt4559]

Have you FULLY looked into this?

[@EJBS1991]

i support this

[@surrealplayaz]

Good idea. We can change the world by this but why isn’t this viral?

[@anjalishashikala5683]

Yes. Why is that

[@Mikka-e4v]

Part1 0:53- Part2 2:08- 3:10- Part3 5:15- 8:17-

[@ColeB-jy3mh]

I just wish I could get involved :( like join the business by starting to work for them. That would be awesome, knowing I'm working for a great cause

[@HigherPlanes]

Hydroponic fruits and vegetables are grown without insecticides. I grow most of my herbs organically and hydroponic vegetables on and off, and whenever I can afford it, I only purchase organically grown produce. Unfortunately I can't seem to abandon produce grown with insecticides 100%.

[@angelavalley3131]

@Andrew Olson I'm a vegan and I also love fashion. I do still wear the leather I purchased before I became vegan, and still today will purchase thrift store leather items. (I view it as I am not supporting the company who creates the items since I am supporting the thrift store.) However I still love today's fashions. There are amazing vegan designers, yet the material never is as quality as leather. So this 3D printing technology is making my fashion self combine with my vegan self and it is amazing.

[@samwendt4559]

Hypocrite

[@Crimsom89]

Following that logic of yours, you could say that eating meat does not mean supporting the slaughterhouses, as you are just buying it from your local butcher and "hey, it's already dead". Hypocrite.

[@nathanielpillar8012]

What Angela says makes complete sense. Buying bran new meat from a store directly supports the meat industry. But buying old unwanted leather goods that were donated to the thrift stores, does not support the traditional leather industry at all. They get no profit from that sale.

[@Zetarrino]

I wholeheartedly wish that this comes true as soon as possible!

[@PlasteredDragon]

Because animals are capable of suffering just like you are, and massive scale farming forces animals to live in indescribably awful conditions. If you're stuck in the wilderness and you have to club it and eat it, feel free. But in a technologically advanced society IMO there really is no justification for the torture of animals because we like the taste of meat. I don't judge anyone for choosing to continue to eat meat, but the concept of growing it without the suffering is a breakthrough.

[@bloodmouth.]

Amazing how he not once mentions the billions of animals that are tortured and abused for their sick flesh and their skin. However, I strongly support these new technologies and hope that our current generations on the planet are open enough to give these in-virto meats a try. It not only saves our earth but also the all animals that today are treated as slaves.

[@cassanoa]

he did mention it - he even showed how the cows are slaughtered - he just didn't get gory - fine by me - this is great tech

[@CATMANTOO]

LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!

[@supadre3239]

Very good, so the animals will not suffer, and we can get healthier with a better prepared meat and a better texture, I went to the slaughterhouse and with the sanitary controls is very difficult to meet them, and feces are also a problem

[@gladsheep]

A very mature comment, and I thank you for responding so. I will be reflecting on what you said. Another question: Have you ever felt guilty because something hideous that you saw and thought was separate from you became a reflection of your own self or behavior?

[@matthewbartke4424]

I wonder how much those pieces of leather cost to grow since he talks about how much more efficient it is to do this way. I know prices would go down, but it would be nice to know where they stand.

[@RainBowArcherer]

If they could find ways not to harm animals, I would eat meat again.

[@royvincent9250]

RainBowArcherer well technically it would not be meat it would be a synesthetic meat like substance like star trek were you tell the computer what you want and it makes it

[@ivogago6140]

RainBowArcherer If they could find ways not kill humans, i would think you are not a morron.

[@samwendt4559]

Do you wear leather?

[@royvincent9250]

Sam Wendt sam that question really isnt relevant as you cam make leather form any dead animal even if it died of natural causes

[@ColeB-jy3mh]

RainBowArcherer nope

[@SianaGearz]

The market price is not zero, because leather market is big, and helps reduce meat price. The production cost can of course be shifted to meat. But it's very competitive, nobody wants to pay too much for meat. If the price for leather goods drops too low to pay for costs of lab grown leather, all one needs to do is decrease the amount of lab produced leather, and the price goes back up to where it's viable. So there is a sub-100% market penetration which is optimal.

[@RaederlePhoenix]

If you watch this video, you should also see this other great TED talk: "Allan Savory: How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change." There is more than one solution for what is wrong with the way we raise animals. I think using both of these solutions is critical for seeing positive environmental improvement.

[@itsmartafilipa]

It is a wonderful idea, but I think it needs to be seen in a larger scale, in terms of corporations, regional industries, trade, profit and demographics. What would the consequences be in the development of countries and what could this mean? My perspective may be completely off topic or irrelevant to the matter, this is just a genuine concern of mine, in hopes that this project extends to a bigger scale and for a better world...

[@cassanoa]

takes a bit of time

[@crazyrussiannhb]

cultured meat theoretically could have any/all of the beforementioned nutrients and more. think on it. you're growing it, YOU get to choose what's in it. by the way, this type of meat could be less prone to being a carrier of disease or parasites, due to it being made in sterile biofactories.

[@posmatrac360]

Respect for this guy

[@ghostbuddy]

Back in the day, when the FDA put a lot of stock in animal studies, many drugs and food additives were initially banned, on the basis that they cause tumors in rats, but were later legalized when it was shown that the same didn't apply to humans. Rats in particular are much more likely to develop tumors than humans, they are extremely prevalent among rats subjected to stress, poor diets, or unstimulating environments in particular.

[@ablestmage]

How do you know this? Simply because of the absence of speakers on the topic, or from first-hand experience?

[@SoapboxFella]

Having feeling a little stressed at the hopelessness of over-population, the progress of this idea makes me feel very relieved.

[@pohkhui]

grow meat on the tree, not in the lab. The best way is to go vege.

[@chnuesp]

Nice talk, but for this solution to be viable you also need a solution for energy production (incubators) and a reliable and cheap source for glucose and proteins for the cell growth medium. Livestock does not use much energy in comparison to cell growth in a lab setting and not all the land that is used for grazing and fodder production can be used to produce glucose and I honestly know not enough about the requrements for the protein source.

[@AlanYoungIII]

I am utterly fascinated by the efficiency and variability with this technique. *If* he were to focus on the results of this product, leaving alone the other so called "benefits" of his semi-utopian civilized society, I think he would have a great deal of interest from many people who wouldn't otherwise buy into it.

[@Scandinnavian]

The future is now using our reasoning ability with great ideas.

[@jenniferdesatoff8270]

This is very interesting. absolutely something that we should look into.

[@InvalidUser_]

Yeah so we don't have vegans blocking the streets

[@hari.santoso]

How much the effectivity of creating a leather using that technique compared to just breeding animals?

[@happydav]

where is the crowdfunding for this?

[@Zaete0chan]

I think this talk, above any talk I have ever heard in my life, made me hope for the future the most. One thing's for sure - It's going to be much, much more different from what I expected... And if this becomes a working reality, a much better world as well.

[@MrRambutan]

Actually EU didn't conduct a 10y study. They collected studies done within a 10y period, ending in 2010. In their report relatively few studies related to food safety, and even fewer made on feeding studies. The limited amount of feeding studies in the report was 90-days feeding trials on rats and hamsters. More recent studies done in 2012-13 has been conducted over 2y periods and showed that rats feeded herbicide resistant GMO's had higher mortality rates, higher incidence of cancers.

[@PlasteredDragon]

Soylent Green was about the processing of dead human flesh as a food product, not growing meat artificially.

[@HiAdrian]

I'm thinking if this becomes really cheap, it would first replace the low-quality meats that the masses carelessly consume. The fast food chains will want to increase their profit margin. This would tackle meat production right at the spot where it's most extreme one would hope.

[@Seiaeka]

One of the reasons they're starting with leather is to look at the impacts on the social economy. Farmers wouldn't be out of jobs necessarily, but would likely have to reconsider what their farms were used for. They have vast amounts of space the could be used for crops or nature reserves, food forests, or even locales for these bio-factories. Also, as long as the meat isn't modified beyond it's natural structure, there should be no reprocussions genetically.

[@MsAmericanNomad]

Cool idea to start with leather because there is only one cell type and the product is arguably better, although there are people that like the authenticity of flaws. The big gap in his speech was whether the process is cost effective, not so much whether people will buy it.

[@Muaahaa]

My primary concerns regard the cell culture mediums. If these are safe and can truly produce edible and nutritious cells then I would consider using this meat. But I would still rather eat smaller quantities of meat on fewer occasions from a natural, ethical source than from a lab.

[@UnreasonableTV]

Wow, love this company. These companies could have a huge impact on the world. Unreasonable is a fan!

[@PlasteredDragon]

The huge rise is largely the result of improved life expectancy. If your birth rate is stable (or even falling) but people are living longer, eventually the total population goes up. It is this extension of life that is largely the cause of the anticipated population growth. If there is a way to extend life, people will do anything to get it. Not sure how we can prevent that.

[@mrwancop]

what do you mean by "eating meat uses more plants, water and land.? Could you elaborate?

[@denamaddie]

I do love how innovative and inspired I get from watching TED talks...

[@elladoe1435]

According to the internets, he's the CEO of a 3D printing company called Modern Meadow. He used to have another company that was working on printing human skin for medical uses like organ transplants and things like that.

[@ricardoferreira2557]

So why is there dislikes?

[@Tupster]

Leather is a really nice material. Making it directly instead of growing whole cows is a great idea. The only way to do that is to research just how to do that in a lab. Labs are not bad places. They are just really sophisticated kitchens ;-)

[@Cineenvenordquist]

Obv. answer is now and how much do you want to wear, that delivery terms are final, and don't wear it over your eyes and ears while driving unless you want to get fined for distracted driving (at best.)

[@flambert3369]

As soon as i saw the video's title i clicked on it

[@sam24343]

I wish the TED talks would provide information on how to best follow and support the ideas of the presenters, instead of having to google it.

[@sabeelkhan3267]

By improving upon it I believe he means that we will have the capability to enhance the meat to contain way more nutrients and many possibilities of enhancement to what goes in and also add more different ingredients to the plate to enhance the human body....

[@FishFroMars]

Everything costs a lot when pioneered, I dare say the first computers were costly to create. So even if those pieces of leather were costly- the principle of culturing, much like using s. pastorianus for fermentation in beer, is sound for mass production. And your question on time, paper production takes years, yet there are companies able to produce it. This will allow forpure foods without additives or hormones in them. I hope this takes the world by storm.

[@techserve4453]

This is the future don't be afraid, embrace the science.

[@matthewbartke4424]

The price will have to drop really low to compete with leather that comes from animals used for meat. The market for specifically bred leather animals would likely take a nosedive though. I'd assume if it becomes no longer profitable for the skin from slaughtered animals to be used for meat, they would just make more hotdogs, scrapple, pet food or chicken nuggets out of it.

[@zonnestraall]

I really hope this is the future!

[@paws4mercy643]

it is if the corporate goons don't crush him first but eventually they will either die from their own stupid ways and take us all with them or they will evolve into the future. it will happen just better sooner than later it's up to us to make sure this doesn't get buried. we need it on the 5 o clock news not hidden behind you tubes closet views

[@stephenreed9631]

This was a talk about the possibilities for the future. Not the current cost for an early stage product still undergoing research.

[@karthiksista714]

excellent THANKYOU FOR YOUR CARE AND IMMEADIATE ACCEPTANCE OF ONES ADVICE TO GOOD

[@TheAlCapwner]

Attention biofabricators: if the animal market tries to shut you down, then just have a Kickstarter. Hell, I'll chip in big time, and so will 2,956 others!

[@kahwigulum]

Hooray for human leather handbags!

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

kahwigulum Human leather bound books are priceless.

[@sophiemarcaurele]

So...... there's a lot of issues in logic, logistics, science and facts here with Phil Collins' speech. A few: there's already tons of cheap, viable alternatives to leather flooding the market - they'd have a hard time competing with that, and the actual real cheap leather coming from places China and India. There would be cheap leather as long as there is meat, so he can't logically say that his fake leather would come "before" his fake meat in the market. He's also doing the "we can't go on with this system"... well yes, the CURRENT big Agra and food distribution/shipping system is completely unsustainable. The one we have now. But it just needs changing and improving on, just like our consumerism and political structure. Like the Monsanto advocates, he's saying there is "no other way". There's TONS of proven, natural and sustainable ways, like permaculture, without ever having to tamper with nature in a lab. I'm looking at his graphic: source cell - layers - bla bla - end material. The end materials are fancy designer bags, high heels, and watch. So he's not into changing the sick consuming mentality in the first place.... buy buy buy consume container-ship the latest "fake leather" goodies. Care to insert the impact of the shipping industry into that neat simplistic graphic? And them wham - trying to compare age-old natural fermentation processes like making yogurt, beer or wine to FrankenMeat. Monsanto's speech is pretty similar, tho for anyone who paid attention in Biology 101, you just can't artificially create something in a lab that would NEVER tke place in nature and call it an improvement on anyhing. We are left with the question of deciding to consume flesh or not based on the level of animal suffering.... well, say, what's the impact on wildlife with the pollution generated in shipping and producing said Frankenmeat? What a can of worm!!!

[@777fiddlekrazy]

Baby Doll YOU SAID IT!!! I Could only hope MORE people as yourself can see through the slurry of Medicine men that roll through peoples towns leaving behind their " Magical Filth" in the name of their own greedy little ideals. Keep up the Knowledge and the Fight for "REAL" sustainability.

[@SailorBarsoom]

It isn't fake leather. It's animal cells and collagen, which is what leather is. It's leather. And the "fake meat" and "FrankenMeat" you speak of, is real meat too. It's the exact same materials in the exact same configurations. I'm sorry, but the whole world is not going to go veggie. God bless those who do, but most people won't. Besides, all of our vegetable, fruit, and grain crops are "improved on nature" anyway. When's the last time you saw corn growing wild? You never did, because it cant grow wild. Now pass that mammoth steak over this way, would you? And an ear of corn on the side.

[@777fiddlekrazy]

:) Sure thang! in simplicity...Temperance on ALL. :)

[@SailorBarsoom]

^_^

[@nathanielpillar8012]

"you just can't artificially create something in a lab that would NEVER tke place in nature and call it an improvement on anyhing." Yes we can. We can call it an improvement on previous methods.

[@Nicolajmedcogj]

Intuitively It seems to me, that the lower turn-over cost on energy would also be a significant advantage of this method. Any chemists or biologists out there with information on that?

[@bjg464]

What about an everyday kitchen, not a lab. For cheap, not expensive. This talks is very similar to another I saw about using a kombucha scoby as leather. I've tried this myself a few times different ways and it could be an even more accessible form of this type of bio synthesis. Something anyone can do, with little investment or ingredients, at room temperature, etc. This is an exciting and cutting edge field.

[@cypressz]

The thing is that fat often gives meat a lot of its flavor, and not all cholesterol is unhealthy. But perhaps we can moderate how much fat we eat, and what kinds of cholesterol we consume.

[@Cars-N-Jets]

I love this guy. I support this movement.

[@balthizarlucienclan]

My worry about cultured meat would be the possibility of manufacturers to add things that would cause harm to the consumer in much the same way as they are doing with vegetables.

[@webkilla]

As a leather craftsman (among a few other things) I find the prospect of working with 'perfect' leather very enticing

[@ALegitimateYoutuber]

note i used carnivore, because my diet is lik 90% meat, 9% bread and cheese 1% dirt food.Granted note a balanced diet but for some reason i'm extremely healthy, and I'm getting everything i need. Thou i will admit a good piece of bread with some good butter, can be as tasty as a steak. Mainly when it has that nice crispiness and chewiness, with that nutty flavor.

[@Enterstarlight]

It might not be the best answer to our problems but I admire the effort, unlike the majority who do nothing.

[@TheShowAboutAdam]

This is the direction we need to be heading

[@SianaGearz]

Cow leather is a by-product of meat production, perhaps rabbit too. Other kinds of animals are raised and killed only for their skin and fur. Also you shouldn't imagine that grown leather will replace animal tissue immediately. Let's say you have a market penetration of 2-5%, this will lower leather prices and allow to jump-start the organ growing industry, which can then replace some meat production.

[@pacovondutch]

First, without the food industry, cows/pigs/chickens do not retire to hillsides, they simply go extinct. Second, to re-source leather would be more wasteful, as the same animals used for meat are used for leather. So now we'd be composting the hide instead of using it, as long as the meat industry does not change. Its both or neither.

[@nickm2137]

I really hope that people help this because imagine being one of those animals, its terrible nothing but pain and suffering. Do you feel ok knowing that? I know I don't.

[@moneyblackblood]

I would love to see the technology that allows for the maintenance of the kinds of sanitized spaces need for this kind of manufacture without killing any animals. I wish headlines would be more honest, this should read: "Leather and meat with killing fewer animals", or "Leather and Meat with only killing pest animals." Don't get me wrong, this tech is an improvement on our current meat and leather sources but the claim is still untrue.

[@jameskim6808]

You know what carrying capacity is? If a bunch of predators hunt their prey, then the population of predators increase and the population of prey decreases. Since the low population of prey decreases, it can't support the high population of predators. Predators die and become fewer in numbers so more prey comes. This applies to every prey-predator relationship, including grass and cows. Carrying capacity is the average high point of any organism in an ecosystem.

[@TheCuriousSeb]

ONE OF THE BEST TED EPISODES YET!

[@wlk422]

Well what cost per pound of this artifical material ? I would imagine that it will end up in specialized markets. Meat and leather are produced a low cost in third world countries by local farmers. How can they afford such artifical material ?

[@llamallama6]

It was probably a long and expensive process, but all new frontiers tend to be expensive and difficult at first, then they become more and more efficient. Hopefully!

[@nachoijp]

The ethical threshold is the central nervous system basically, so yeah, we do need to kill cells to eat, but this stuff doesn't kill any organism, only some cells...

[@chill187]

yes, but we have other synthetic waterproof products. isn't half the waterproof coating on leather the glossy finish anyway?

[@axelasdf]

Just make it cost effective (read: industrial scale) and it'll be better in all regards. Seems feasible, just up-front cost heavy. I grew up on a dairy farm (very small) where the cows had a pretty decent life. Minimized suffering through quick death. I'm all for the soilent future, but we have to make it economically better if it is going to win outright without using force as the tool to implement it.

[@omegrown420]

The worst part about being alive is being a human whose fellow man think it is ok for animal husbandry to become so industrialised that it is horrific. The cost and destruction to the planet, the suffering of life that we share the earth with and the ongoing cost of the damage to human health this current 'farming' is causing. Ending it now, feeding, clothing and sheltering the whole planet not excluding one and continuing to explore the universe inner and outer should be our main objective.

[@GermaineMalcolm]

I agree about pharmaceutical products. On the other hand if we have already implanted lab grown organs into our bodies successfully is this not just the next step. A lot of the negative reaction to lab grown meat strikes me as irrational. Especially if if is cell for cell identical to natural meat. Just with less toxins.

[@Dam13nL]

The green movement really needs to reevaluate its position on GM and biotech. Otherwise in the long run, they will become the biggest obstacle in achieving the goals they promoted for 50 years. Please don't become an ironic stereotype.