How to spot a leader in their handwriting | Jamie Mason Cohen | TEDxUBIWiltz

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10 жыл бұрын

This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. Do Steve Jobs and Nelson Mandela have anything extraordinary in common? Jamie Mason Cohen shows in this entertaining, thought-provoking and interactive talk that great leaders share some intriguing personality traits... in their handwriting! And what's more fascinating is that each of us also possesses some of these traits in the way we write too. What if, with some small changes in your writing strokes you could take your inner leader to its fullest potential? "You all have the power to lead, if only you pause for a moment to look inside your writing", Cohen says. It's a message with inspiring possibilities for us all.
What others say: "[Jamie's] abilities are heroic and like a super hero, [he] uses them wisely. [He] has the ability to identify peoples' leadership qualities, 'promote' those qualities and send them away to be confident that they are the 'best' reflection of their handwriting." TEDxUBIWiltz Organizer, Dirk Daenen.
Jamie Mason Cohen is a former film director turned high school teacher who once worked for Saturday Night Live. He is the recipient of the 2013 TED/Huffington Post international teaching award, The Sole Challenge, and a lifelong student of handwriting analysis. Cohen is an innovation expert in education who creates and applies 21st century creative learning strategies to inspire students and teachers around the world in the classroom and the conference room. Handwriting analysis gave Cohen, a shy, twelve year-old boy who was afraid of speaking in front of others the realization that he could express himself with words and that he had dreams to do it one day. From that day on, Cohen developed a passion for learning how a person's writing could reveal what makes them truly extraordinary.
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@igorniedzielski1759
@igorniedzielski1759 7 жыл бұрын
When you should be studying for a test but you watch TEDx instead and the first line is "Do you procrastinate"...
@mooarmy4ever15
@mooarmy4ever15 5 жыл бұрын
same😅😅
@user-jq2hn2ke8g
@user-jq2hn2ke8g 4 жыл бұрын
lol me too
@Ezra_27
@Ezra_27 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@twinny555
@twinny555 4 жыл бұрын
Igor Niedzielski 🤣🤣🤣🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️
@millions2nette
@millions2nette 4 жыл бұрын
How'd you do on that test?
@AtlisDe
@AtlisDe 7 жыл бұрын
I always feel like my handwriting varies in mood. if im stressed and anxious I have uglier hand writing, if im in patient its neat. if i have a lot to say my writing tends to lean forward.
@ruthbancy8565
@ruthbancy8565 4 жыл бұрын
Same to me
@peachrossman1903
@peachrossman1903 4 жыл бұрын
You know, that makes sense. When your panicky you might hold your pen to tight, or when your happy you might write larger. That is quite interesting.
@leelebirdsong8339
@leelebirdsong8339 4 жыл бұрын
Tali De 🤗
@existentialreader5323
@existentialreader5323 4 жыл бұрын
I am a lefty so I always tilt the paper, which makes my handwriting tilted backwards. Trying to fix it tho
@david3wiest679
@david3wiest679 4 жыл бұрын
This is exactly my handwriting :)
@maricelfreire
@maricelfreire 7 жыл бұрын
I noticed this video received quite a negative reception (seen by the comments below). I think most people misunderstood his point- he wasn't saying that only those who cross their Ts high can be leaders, but rather he is saying to look within your handwriting to notice positive attributes within you that can 1) help you understand yourself better and 2) lead successfully by exploiting those positive qualities. This is unlike horoscopes, however, since it is true that distinct personalities write in different ways. Someone who is quite shy and soft-spoken will usually write in a much less intense and dark (ink wise) manner than a more dominant, confident individual. People reflect their personalities via virtually all they do- whether it is writing, speaking, or even simply lying still. It is not pseudoscience or gibberish, but rather part of an entire field of its own- Psychology...
@JamieMasonCohen
@JamieMasonCohen 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support Mari Cari!
@mitaliraykundlia9199
@mitaliraykundlia9199 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@newtoninspired
@newtoninspired 5 жыл бұрын
Can you suggest a good graphology analysis book?
@nileshnath541
@nileshnath541 5 жыл бұрын
It is pseudoscience. Psychology is no less than pseudoscience itself.
@emilitious7886
@emilitious7886 5 жыл бұрын
People tend to have a handwriting that is similar to someone around them. People also unconsciously copy other people's handwriting. How you represent symbols on paper has absolutely nothing to do with your personality. People who are physically stronger tend to write with thicker markings than people who are not as strong. But physical strength and personality atr two different things
@nekyia3405
@nekyia3405 7 жыл бұрын
"no one can extinguish your passion without your permission" i needed that.
@JamieMasonCohen
@JamieMasonCohen 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for listening Toroiah, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
@edwardsarchive8134
@edwardsarchive8134 7 жыл бұрын
Can't help feeling like i'm watching a tarot reading
@fabiennecoenders
@fabiennecoenders 7 жыл бұрын
My sentiments exactly.
@unclevova3582
@unclevova3582 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, especially the random sample at the end. He made up some things based on random letters. Asked the guy to stand up, asked his job, said non-specific things that all people would like said about them and without a response asked him to sit down. 16:00 looks to me like a guy who doesn't think he's pulled it off yet and is waiting for the soothing applause. Not to mention his mother went around randomly "analyzing" writing to give people hope. "Lifelong student of handwriting analysis" doesn't equate to someone qualified to do this job.
@Thurible51
@Thurible51 7 жыл бұрын
Or a horoscope in the newspaper.
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 7 жыл бұрын
Honza M. Yeah; there may be some truth in handwriting analysis but this did definitely seem rather quackers! And no, I am not going to underline my signature as he told me to, in order to demonstrate self-sufficiency thanks, my signature is perfect the way it is without needing his advice. How deeply ironic was that!!! :-)
@MalawisLilleKanal
@MalawisLilleKanal 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, looked very much like cold reading.
@JimmyKurz
@JimmyKurz 7 жыл бұрын
Damn everyone is roasting this dude while I was lowkey enjoying it lol
@aladinhegic3306
@aladinhegic3306 5 жыл бұрын
@Space_lia like a fried chicken
@justicebeginstoshine8069
@justicebeginstoshine8069 4 жыл бұрын
Me too I like the guy looks like he could be a soap 🌟 lol
@judichristopher4604
@judichristopher4604 4 жыл бұрын
When people do not understand something, then they shun it... Because they don't understand it... they mock it.
@LisaMaryification
@LisaMaryification 4 жыл бұрын
That's because they realise without a doubt that they are not leaders. lol.
@aquirkyaggressivegurr2132
@aquirkyaggressivegurr2132 4 жыл бұрын
jamie: "Do you procrastinate?" me: *allow me to introduce myself*
@DownWithBureaucracy
@DownWithBureaucracy 4 жыл бұрын
"Everything you do, from the way you walk, to your handwriting, to the words you choose, is revealing your hand. Everything is a self portrait" -Alan Watts
@lbeezie13
@lbeezie13 4 жыл бұрын
Yikes! Good quote to think about though.
@Soulja998
@Soulja998 4 жыл бұрын
Can u explain more of this
@DownWithBureaucracy
@DownWithBureaucracy 4 жыл бұрын
@@Soulja998 the quote or Alan Watts? Watts was a preacher who studied Zen Buddhism and then left the ministry and promoted the lessons he learned in a way that was easier to understand from a western point of view. The quote itself, as often happens with Zen teachings, is as simple and literal as you choose to make it. Everything you do, and the way in which you do it, reveals something of your character and of your intentions. I commented the quote because it would follow that handwriting reveals just as much as your choice of words
@Soulja998
@Soulja998 4 жыл бұрын
@@DownWithBureaucracy thanks
@polar199
@polar199 Жыл бұрын
and…..?it’s still nonsense.
@JetPackDino
@JetPackDino 8 жыл бұрын
Fun, but seems about as scientific as horoscopes.
@Bluetomato666
@Bluetomato666 8 жыл бұрын
lol dude tedx is pretty much the organization that brings all of the WORLD'S greatest minds together and has them share their knowledge on things such as success, leadership, etc.
@Bluetomato666
@Bluetomato666 8 жыл бұрын
ok nvm continued this video and this guy is just being a complete scrub
@TourAbsurd
@TourAbsurd 8 жыл бұрын
Nah. Official TED talks do that. TEDx events are independently licensed events in the spirit of the TED brand. Quality is extremely variable.
@HitomiAyumu
@HitomiAyumu 8 жыл бұрын
Science is not the only gold standard. Consider mathematics and philosophy.
@giantmetaldog9153
@giantmetaldog9153 7 жыл бұрын
Fun, but seems about as mathematical and philosophical as horoscopes.
@payaswinibansal5923
@payaswinibansal5923 7 жыл бұрын
but my handwriting changes according to how I feel about something and my mood
@fresha9980
@fresha9980 6 жыл бұрын
payaswini bansal wow mine does to
@pradeepmunuswamy2449
@pradeepmunuswamy2449 5 жыл бұрын
It is with everyone brother
@mariumhussain1099
@mariumhussain1099 5 жыл бұрын
Yea I thought it was just me :P
@sweetsugarhoneycandy5458
@sweetsugarhoneycandy5458 5 жыл бұрын
same
@Nagame75I
@Nagame75I 5 жыл бұрын
Same also
@billstebler5686
@billstebler5686 7 жыл бұрын
Many of the comments seem to dismiss what he is saying as non-scientific, but years ago I read a few books on handwriting analysis that provided a detailed description of the theory illustrated through hundreds of examples. Handwriting analysis is essentially a recognition that personality characteristics exhibit themselves through our writing style just as they do through how we walk, talk, gesture, etc. Analyze enough handwriting samples and common patterns emerge that appear to have a strong correlation with personality traits. While it is compelling to think that a person's signature alone can accurately illustrate these traits, signatures are often stylized and practiced to have a certain 'look', so a larger sample of a person's handwriting is typically required for any sort of accurate analysis. At it's root, handwriting analysis is pattern matching. I wouldn't doubt that computer algorithms already exist in this area. I suppose the only problem is that very few people actually write these days, but I would bet that analysis of how we hit the keys as we type would reveal more about us than we'd like to think.
@attaulmomin
@attaulmomin 4 жыл бұрын
what if I was a born computer-like handwriter ?it's true.
@prakrutivarma8741
@prakrutivarma8741 4 жыл бұрын
@John Peckham but so is Eistein's Theory of Relativity.
@hanguyenthu9691
@hanguyenthu9691 4 жыл бұрын
Future teacher here, loves writing (not writing novels, simply the act of pen and paper), and the sound of chalk hitting the board
@hanguyenthu9691
@hanguyenthu9691 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, theories and hypotheses are two different things. Anyway, I get your point, correlation does not necessary implies law, but it does imply an underlying mechanic. Of course a high T or a simple O do not necessary means much, but a style of writing surely implies what the writer enjoys their writing looks like - and utterly their personality.
@0422Juls
@0422Juls 4 жыл бұрын
Except this guy's specific analysis is actually complete bull. And it's very clear.
@5718824426
@5718824426 7 жыл бұрын
I've taken a handwriting class years ago. This is true! Very revealing. Taking cursive writing out of the elementary school is detrimental to being creative. Writing exercises the neurological pathways of the brain. Thank you for sharing.
@juliehwang8482
@juliehwang8482 Жыл бұрын
oh.
@Real_Michael_Jordan
@Real_Michael_Jordan 9 ай бұрын
It has made zero difference, just made people feel like they're better than others because they took it in class, by no control of their own
@seanwestbrook2071
@seanwestbrook2071 8 жыл бұрын
Wow. That was. Complete nonsense. Like I'm not even sure this dude knew what he was talking about. This is the same thing as reading someone's palm. All you do is say this person is *insert basic human personality trait here* and they'll be like "omg that's so me!". Yeah for sure. Nelson Mandela, Steve Jobs, and Gandhi were all great leaders... because they put their T's... high? I'm not even sure he even knew what he was saying.
@porpoisepork
@porpoisepork 8 жыл бұрын
This dude is so high. He just winged it.
@nobrubgp
@nobrubgp 8 жыл бұрын
just like that...
@bottlecap6169
@bottlecap6169 7 жыл бұрын
No, he's saying Nelson Mandela, Steve Jobs, and Ghandi all put their t's high because they were great leaders. Although I agree this guy was pretty bullshit, there are a lot of personality traits that show through your writing.
@ThatManAdrian
@ThatManAdrian 7 жыл бұрын
TRUE
@MMOplayeerr
@MMOplayeerr 7 жыл бұрын
Ofc ts high sure wont make you a leader, but graphology isnt bullshit.
@shadeshadow2347
@shadeshadow2347 6 жыл бұрын
Me: has a half legible scrawl So... I'm gonna definitely become a doctor, right?
@abijahdixon2771
@abijahdixon2771 4 жыл бұрын
There is a disorder called dysgraphia where people have poor handwriting, however, bad handwriting can be a sign of intelligence, as you are too busy to slow down and worry about the neatness.
@sussanalee430
@sussanalee430 4 жыл бұрын
Might be, they probably don't have to carve a straight line either..
@sovietmarshmallow1283
@sovietmarshmallow1283 4 жыл бұрын
I write fast and sacrifice neatness for speed so I can put my thoughts on paper as they happen.
@mikeb8682
@mikeb8682 4 жыл бұрын
@@abijahdixon2771 Does that go for spelling too? :-)
@causeeffect7624
@causeeffect7624 3 жыл бұрын
a mind doctor in your mind
@pyarkaaloo
@pyarkaaloo 5 жыл бұрын
What a genuinely good, kind man. You can tell he means well n truly aims to inspire. He’s quite a feeling sensory type.
@dafunkychickenrecords1149
@dafunkychickenrecords1149 4 жыл бұрын
Here's the problem when people who hire you want creativity and innovation; When you show those traits, you often get in trouble and are told to do only what you were asked to do. I find that sad.
@clairebremner5437
@clairebremner5437 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah when they say they're open to suggestions but get mad when you make one
@trevorfenlon4920
@trevorfenlon4920 3 жыл бұрын
“We live in a society that will send us to prison if we make use of time-honored sacred plants to explore our own consciousness. Yet surely the exploration and expansion of the miracle of our consciousness is the essence of what it is to be human? By demonstrating and persecuting whole areas of consciousness, we may be denying ourselves the next vital step in our own evolution.” -Grandham Hancock. Interpreted to this meaning. “We live in a society that will send us to prison if we make use of our mind to explore our own consciousness. Yet surely the exploration and expansion of the miracle of our consciousness is the essence of what it is to be human? By demonstrating and persecuting whole areas of consciousness, we may be denying ourselves the next vital step in our own evolution.” Sound familiar?
@cryomancer20x68
@cryomancer20x68 8 жыл бұрын
I heard a lot of generalized fortune teller stuff in this talk which could be carefully applied to anyone or any situation to seem true.
@zararoyce319
@zararoyce319 6 жыл бұрын
Brett Manous yeah I like the girl who got the job when she wore her traditional dress, that did not have anything to do with the remaining true to herself that had more to do with her marketing this, Miss exotic Indian girl card, I know a lot of women from other cultures really play up the exotic car when they go to get jobs, and on top of that people are impressed by them because they think it's cool that there's this poor lady from the slums of India or whatever they imagine and she's here trying to be an awesome powerful modern independent woman, so when you combine that together it's just a way to charm people, Think about it, I like dressing comfortable in pajamas, I'm not getting a job as a white girl if I show up to work in my pajamas LOL I driving through to myself, but no can-do
@waynechen5639
@waynechen5639 7 жыл бұрын
imagine that man saying " i disagree"
@wolololer
@wolololer 6 жыл бұрын
that would never happen, he only said nice things to him, he even ask his job and creates analogies for what he said before he could do that to any job and any person
@ladyred6994
@ladyred6994 6 жыл бұрын
I was actually curious to know if the older gentleman would say he was correct or not, kinda disappointed that we didn't get to find out.
@crowrebirth
@crowrebirth 6 жыл бұрын
That would have been very direct of him
@Jeremy-rg3bg
@Jeremy-rg3bg 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry .i call b.s.
@teresaskinner816
@teresaskinner816 6 жыл бұрын
Lion and the sheep ?
@marypoppins1368
@marypoppins1368 7 жыл бұрын
You can actually tell personality traits through writing. I can read writing to a certain degree and it does show who people are especially if you've just met them. This isn't fake stuff.
@judichristopher4604
@judichristopher4604 4 жыл бұрын
I love this video... and you are Spot ON!!! I have been a Graphologist (Handwriting Analyst) for over 22 years... I am also a Teacher, I have worked with the police on murder cases... Handwriting is Amazing... Thank you for sharing this GREAT Video...
@elgransick
@elgransick 8 жыл бұрын
"How do I know this? Am I making this stuff up? The answer is: it's in their writing. Both of these men, sometimes, crossed their tees to the left" So you _are_ making this stuff up. Thanks for clarifying and saving me 17 minutes.
@anaidkc
@anaidkc 8 жыл бұрын
+James Passmore Your point lacks major education, if you knew that there is a science to this method of analysis, its not random made up. You should further look into topics yourself so you don't embarrass yourself on here as being stupid from not knowing.
@starkbotha1129
@starkbotha1129 8 жыл бұрын
+Anaid K.C. credible sources and citations needed, please.
@mathewkollamkulam6369
@mathewkollamkulam6369 8 жыл бұрын
+Stark Botha Here is a list of peer-reviewed studies published in non-graphological journals which supports the claims made by graphology: www.igc-grapho.com/Research.html . It is certainly not akin to reading tea-leaves.
@starkbotha1129
@starkbotha1129 8 жыл бұрын
+Mathew Thomas K. Kudos to you for actually posting a link. Though i'm sorry to say that that source of yours is heavily biased. The articles are unreachable and claim no educational authority. Seems, unfortunately, like a load of bunk. Doing a quick search on the internet reveals the overwhelming amount of articles against graphology. One such example is this: www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/grapho.html
@mathewkollamkulam6369
@mathewkollamkulam6369 8 жыл бұрын
+Stark Botha I do not understand you. They are all papers published in respected peer-reviewed journals such as Perceptual and Motor Skills, Neuropsychologia etc. Any researcher should have access to them through ResearchGate etc. The quackwatch article by Beyerstein is what I would call heavily biased. Criticisms of his "review" of graphology has been written by psychologists and handwriting psychologists such as Dr. Teut Wallner. I would like to refer you to 'The Beyerstein Book: A Critical Examination' by forensic handwriting expert Marcel Matley. It is clear that Beyerstein is highly biased and has blatantly ignored several supporting studies.
@bruzanHD
@bruzanHD 7 жыл бұрын
This was all over the place, not up to TED standards IMO.
@SolarShado
@SolarShado 7 жыл бұрын
TEDx is *way* less consistent from what I've watched. There're still a lot of good talks, but there's also stuff like this...
@bruzanHD
@bruzanHD 7 жыл бұрын
***** Guess I have been lucky with what I've seen.
@dafedora7327
@dafedora7327 7 жыл бұрын
TEDx is independently organized and is only related to the official TED talks through name and general guidance, however the content of the speeches is entirely up to the organizers of the TEDx event (TEDx can be hosted by a group of students or it could be hosted by an art gallery hostess in new york). That's why it doesn't meet your normal TED standards.
@josin007
@josin007 6 жыл бұрын
Da Fedora post this in the main comments section.
@starkiss77
@starkiss77 6 жыл бұрын
I think the point of this was that this guy a shy boy is speaking in front of an audience. I think that's the greatest achievement because I know I couldn't do it and never will.
@clascaulfieldjr3653
@clascaulfieldjr3653 4 жыл бұрын
Handwriting analysis is actually a legit field. It's used in forensic work. This guy just seems like more of a hobbyist.
@cyn9458
@cyn9458 4 жыл бұрын
Hand writing analysis is Fascinating! I had a friend whose mother was a graphologist and she analyzed my writing and it blew me away- I was 12 years old . I was hooked afterwards. Great talk !!
@dajitag8550
@dajitag8550 7 жыл бұрын
he didn't even confirm that that was the guys personality traits. He just told him who he was and told him to sit his ass down.
@-Floydimus
@-Floydimus 7 жыл бұрын
Dajita g Hahaha I came here to write the same thing.
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n 7 жыл бұрын
The guy was nodding, but it would have made it legit to hear him confirm (or deny) what Mr. "It's A Science" said.
@RONANAWAY
@RONANAWAY 7 жыл бұрын
Yea, he was trying not to be rude.
@pedrochao
@pedrochao 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly! You must cross your T's and dot your I's while you roll your eyes and R's at the same time. As keen observers usually do.
@veradietz7191
@veradietz7191 6 жыл бұрын
Pedro Chao lol
@saeorwss1670
@saeorwss1670 7 жыл бұрын
What do I do if I have like 15 handwriting styles
@user-iz2oj8dd6j
@user-iz2oj8dd6j 7 жыл бұрын
lovelive addicted Then you are probably a creative genius. maybe not a genius, but you are pretty darn creative if you have so many writing styles
@emilycave754
@emilycave754 6 жыл бұрын
So creative,that you can take on so many personality, You can be Bono, Michael Jackson, and Frida Kahlo all in one.
@Lilinhati5678
@Lilinhati5678 4 жыл бұрын
Or you actually have 15 different personalities
@mooniesjaja7074
@mooniesjaja7074 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@lorimav
@lorimav 4 жыл бұрын
Go to a therapist and start working on your multiple personality disorder. 😂
@MegaWatcher35
@MegaWatcher35 5 жыл бұрын
Hand writing is something that is quiet difficult to fake. It is like something within. like confidence, belief, conviction, etc.. Hand writing analysis on signatures is a science.
@kathhollandful
@kathhollandful 5 жыл бұрын
Love your talk. I’m also passionate about graphology, or ‘brain-writing’ as I prefer to call it. So much revealed in that moment between thinking and placing that mark on the paper. It is a little understood subject and very undervalued. If people believe that body language can be so revealing, this is the same thing.
@mikestoneadfjgs
@mikestoneadfjgs 8 жыл бұрын
>gives a talk about handwriting >only talks about signatures
@turboking95
@turboking95 8 жыл бұрын
You do realize that one's signature is the epitome of their unique handwriting? Everyone is singular; studying the signatures of people is the best way to apply graphology to real-world personality analysis.
@mikestoneadfjgs
@mikestoneadfjgs 8 жыл бұрын
Jeriel Baker This assumes consistency in writing. Graphology must compare signatures with enough 'regular' handwriting data. But i'm not ragging on handwriting analysis, its just frustrating to see it presented in such a pseudoscientific way.
@hatthomas555
@hatthomas555 7 жыл бұрын
www.wikihow.com/Analyze-Handwriting-(Graphology) "There's probably a grain of truth in this - we can all imagine what "energetic" or "careless" handwriting looks like, for instance. However, since *these claims have failed every scientific test,* scientists consider graphology pseudoscientific and ineffective.[1][2] At best these correlations are informed guesses with many exceptions. They're fun to find, but don't use them to judge job applicants or alter friendships.
@Nesuniken
@Nesuniken 7 жыл бұрын
I doubt signatures are a good representation for a person's regular handwriting. Signatures are the only place I write in cursive, so I'm out of the picture. Even if someone regularly writes in cursive, it becomes very hasty while writing signatures, especially with check and legal papers. Not to mention there are plenty of people who develop a unique style for their signatures, but stay more practical everywhere else.
@joshitheyoshi2533
@joshitheyoshi2533 7 жыл бұрын
So unscientific. Instead, randomly pick a sample of world leaders, THEN analyze their writing. Don't go around trying to find leaders with high T's and lines under their signatures. Guaranteed you'll find many successful people with varied signatures.
@robertmugabe7330
@robertmugabe7330 7 жыл бұрын
Precisely. In fact blinded trials have been conducted.
@zelamorre1126
@zelamorre1126 7 жыл бұрын
A lot of famous people also develop an "Autograph" signature that they use for signing autographs and the like. It's still their hand writing, but I've yet to see anybody who signs a check or memo with a squiggle. Different signatures for different times.
@sirijaw
@sirijaw 7 жыл бұрын
Joshi The Yoshi it's Graphology, it's not an exact science.
@lexwolfhale1729
@lexwolfhale1729 7 жыл бұрын
Graphology as analysing handwriting to see personality traits is not scientific at all! Handwriting analysis on the basis of comparing general trends and authenticity in penmanship is a different thing based on the comparison between examples from the same person's handwriting and is the only scientific analysis of handwriting per se, not including physics and chemistry. All of this talk is pseudo-scientific bs.
@charlesfederico9772
@charlesfederico9772 7 жыл бұрын
Thats just not right lmao, you cant judge someones leadership skills based off of handwriting, everyones different
@carysleung1917
@carysleung1917 6 жыл бұрын
Grasping at little pieces of clues to finding another persons personality, it may not be true or accurate, but it does give you confidence after hearing this. He said IF you have this in your signature or that then your a leader, smart or cautious. Doesn't matter if it's really true or not, what matter is that fact that you can motivated, maybe even a little happy, that you have those personality. You might be thinking that fake hope is bad and just pointless... But it can lead you to somewhere that you may not have even to do if you didn't have that 'fake' hope. Thanks for reading.
@moocrazytn
@moocrazytn 5 жыл бұрын
A recent Ted talk said confidence and competence are assumed to be correlated but often aren't.
@LisaMaryification
@LisaMaryification 4 жыл бұрын
I know lots of confident bafoons.
@scottw5658
@scottw5658 8 жыл бұрын
As a graphologist (handwriting analyst) in my own right, I was impressed very much by this speaker. He knows his stuff on the topic, but I give him extra points because I only heard one verbal pause during his speech. The best speakers eliminate UHs and UMs from their speaking, because they care about the impression they leave their audience with.
@JamieMasonCohen
@JamieMasonCohen 8 жыл бұрын
+Scott W Scott, I appreciate your response to the above. You not only took the time to speak truth to trolling but you also know your stuff as a graphologist. They say when you see the best in others you are reflecting what is in you -- this is one such case. I'm also going to post an interesting article or two about why thousands of companies around the world as well as police departments and justice systems still employee handwriting analysis in their fields. Have an excellent day. Jamie
@Nagasari666
@Nagasari666 4 жыл бұрын
Finally! An actual graphologist giving us the tea about this Ted Talk. Thank you sir!
@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa
@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa 7 жыл бұрын
This was fun but also worth taking with a little grain of salt.
@ericahoang9030
@ericahoang9030 7 жыл бұрын
E Lee "Little" is an understatement
@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa
@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa 7 жыл бұрын
Edit: a handful of salt.
@teaganp964
@teaganp964 7 жыл бұрын
shit I'm gonna burn with that salt
@Wildcat5181
@Wildcat5181 6 жыл бұрын
E Lee With a mouthful of salt.
@Sunflower-og1lm
@Sunflower-og1lm 4 жыл бұрын
My signature changes as I grow mentally, I can not deny hand writing does not define personality, I know wherever my heart is in which place, my signature change. That could also indicate creativity as you regonise yourself changes so is the next thing that people have an impression of you without seeing you first is your signature. Leaders are often creative people, deep thinkers and most likely are intuitive. I also agreed with him on the T, I don't know about the other example such as the O and W, although I have it in my signature, I just never felt anything strongly about it, but I know my T means exactly what he saids in this clip. I'm a big dreamer and quite confident in myself to achieve in anything I set myself to. When I did my signature or sometime in my writing, my T has always have a big long line across, and whenever I did that, I felt like I had a strong personality. Which is very true to that too. So I don't doubt this man, he also speaks with so much integrity, not everything are scientific but rather intuitive, you can't deny intuition, we all has it but some people just don't listen to themselves. What a great talk, I loved it!
@kathhollandful
@kathhollandful 6 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry there are so many disparaging comments below. Graphology is a huge subject which is difficult to do justice to in such a short time, but this was so interesting and well presented. Good to see someone getting the subject out there.
@mrgalindo22
@mrgalindo22 7 жыл бұрын
Anyone can be a leader but to be a great leader takes more than looking at their handwriting.
@hatthomas555
@hatthomas555 7 жыл бұрын
Wrong! I am going to write like this guy says and he just promised me I could be a great leader, and that's not fair, no it's not! .....smh.....Sorry, but no, not just *anyone* can be a great leader. But I would agree with everything you said after "but."
@spazmaticaa7989
@spazmaticaa7989 6 жыл бұрын
Hat Thomas Nevr said anyone could be a great leader. He said anyone could be a leader but being a great leader isn't determined soully on handwriting.
@selimcontigo-nastor2487
@selimcontigo-nastor2487 6 жыл бұрын
I just dont like your hands you put in your pocket...it is somehow lousy. That one hand of yours...it is disturbing
@LukeSoro_MM
@LukeSoro_MM 7 жыл бұрын
This guy is pretty crazy. There's so many experimental variables in this theory....
@betterhealthbetterlife4912
@betterhealthbetterlife4912 7 жыл бұрын
Until we know everything about everything, theories will continue to evolve and develop. There are so many things we can not explain yet we know they exist. Just because we don't have all of the information yet, and just because we have not perfectly interpreted every si for bit of that information yet, doesn't mean we won't one day :) Be well, have a great day :)
@SteffiMarshall
@SteffiMarshall 4 жыл бұрын
I call b.s. too
@marksteve8373
@marksteve8373 4 жыл бұрын
He should've asked the man to confirm his analysis and whether or not he got things right😎
@ojaycandraw1945
@ojaycandraw1945 5 жыл бұрын
When it got to the creative part I was like SOLD
@bettyl
@bettyl 7 жыл бұрын
A series of "one-size-fits-all" descriptions of LITERALLY EVERYONE, to some extent, and at some stage in their life...
@matildecavicchioli4012
@matildecavicchioli4012 7 жыл бұрын
I found this super interesting and true. I have a friend who works as a graphologist and she once analized my handwriting and then made a description of my personality and WOW it was so accurate and amazing! I believe this stuff.
@erintakeda5879
@erintakeda5879 7 жыл бұрын
I tried this with a dozen people, accurate EVERY time! This was interesting. Thanks.
@bilkishchowdhury8318
@bilkishchowdhury8318 4 жыл бұрын
Him: The leaders of the world all procrastinate. Me: Oh, really? I'll start procrastinating... tomorrow.
@vindhya8498
@vindhya8498 3 жыл бұрын
Bilkish Chowdhury 👏🏻😂
@Ambigious
@Ambigious 3 жыл бұрын
Bilkish Chowdhury 2 out of thousands and thousands procrasinate, That should be a sign no to
@nathanclassen8489
@nathanclassen8489 7 жыл бұрын
....I am a little embarrassed that I started watching this. "Sometimes Nelson Mandela wrote capital T's....sometimes he wrote lower case t's....spooky right? It means he was a practical visionaryyyyy!!" Here I thought it meant that sometimes he started a sentence with T, and sometimes he had a t in the middle of his sentence. Silly me.
@viancavarma3455
@viancavarma3455 5 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA SAME
@TheInvader123
@TheInvader123 7 жыл бұрын
I dot my i's with broken hearts. Does that mean I'm heart broken because my ex girlfriend cheated on me last year. Probably.
@smilefenn4813
@smilefenn4813 5 жыл бұрын
IsaacArghnpiano well that got dark
@tegmahipkaur5169
@tegmahipkaur5169 5 жыл бұрын
Well, some of us never got in any relationships....no pun intended
@imovedtoanotherplaceuwu9355
@imovedtoanotherplaceuwu9355 5 жыл бұрын
Grateful For Life did you just said no pun intended to make us think that there is a pun to begin with but there isn't really?
@tegmahipkaur5169
@tegmahipkaur5169 5 жыл бұрын
@@imovedtoanotherplaceuwu9355 no, I was literally being serious. Although, I do like the play of words.
@TheInvader123
@TheInvader123 4 жыл бұрын
Mrry W. No I’m a girl
@shalugupta1491
@shalugupta1491 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. It's crisp and All points are to the point. I am analysising my self and thanks for helping me to understand my own self more deeply and more authentically. Best Ted on writing analysis I have ever watch.
@shesgoneforeverlife
@shesgoneforeverlife 4 жыл бұрын
This is extremely true. I have lots of loops and I’m very creative and write. I’m independent and can get others on board when I believe in an idea.
@TheSafehavin
@TheSafehavin 8 жыл бұрын
Great job, Jamie. Our handwriting does show a great deal about the inner workings of us all. Forgive the ones who comment ignorantly. Introspection is not something readily taught, but intuitively understood.
@lianeamante7948
@lianeamante7948 7 жыл бұрын
TheSafehavin yeah. He may have talked a lot and he presented himself like he can't be wrong, but overall i get the psychology behind handwriting. When I write in cursive i always go back to put a dot above my 'i' and it's really attention to detail.
@liverslices
@liverslices 7 жыл бұрын
This gives off a horoscope feel... I finish this video unconvinced
@traceb2232
@traceb2232 4 жыл бұрын
I believe it. I see it. I live it. I love it. My handwriting speaks truth of me. Fascinating! Thanks.
@sujaysukumar123
@sujaysukumar123 6 жыл бұрын
The speaker delivers his thoughts clearly. Interesting insights too
@guyfawkes3940
@guyfawkes3940 8 жыл бұрын
Surprised he didn't say "That'd be twenty dollars, sir." afterwards
@psychoticserenity2588
@psychoticserenity2588 5 жыл бұрын
"For a limited time only, the first 5 people can have it at the amazingly low price of just....... $19.95!!" 😏
@joelmulder
@joelmulder 7 жыл бұрын
The moment he started describing the person by their handwriting i signed this off the the "horoscope" category of things. These statements are so broad anyone could relate to them.
@suhanigamres9134
@suhanigamres9134 4 жыл бұрын
Joel no I’ve taken special classes in graphology and if you run a test through your handwriting. You’ll get crazy accurate ideas
@Solarlube
@Solarlube 4 жыл бұрын
I learnt from an early age to print, it wasn't till my parents moved us interstate from New South Wales to Queensland Australia that I was made to write in cursive. But I had learnt from the start in grade one about writing on a 45 degree angle our teacher said it was a sign of creativity and intelligence and success. That was when I was 6 years old. I latter met a fellow when I was in my twenties he was studying to become a hand writing expert. HE analysed my hand writing but left before he told me anything. That was almost forty years ago, and I have wondered ever since if knowing what his analysis was would it have made a difference to my life.
@CherieDeDieu
@CherieDeDieu 5 жыл бұрын
I am a natural leader and all this is true. I have compared it to my signature and handwriting. Wow! ❤
@SpyderKing34
@SpyderKing34 7 жыл бұрын
What if you took 3 years if writing specific letters certain ways so that you have your own style of writing
@SpyderKing34
@SpyderKing34 7 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Garcia ok but mine isn't. It took me a year or so to get certain letters to just naturally be written certain ways. Like me E's are actually backward 3's my A's are written the same way it is in typing with the curve on top my T's always go up and loop back down with it extending straight down then I start the rest of the word. I naturally write that way and have to think about it to write letters normal
@SpyderKing34
@SpyderKing34 7 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Garcia I'm right handed also. Your right handed but left hand writer. But this video is about just natural writing. But like I said I spent a year developing a specific kind of writing which is differant from just natural writing.
@betterhealthbetterlife4912
@betterhealthbetterlife4912 7 жыл бұрын
Perhaps ambidextrous:) I suspect I would be left handed without the pressures of coforming as a youngster since I disk many things left handed. When I try to write with my left hand it comes out decently! With practice I'm sure I could easily write left handed. I sometimes draw with both hands as well :)
@SpyderKing34
@SpyderKing34 7 жыл бұрын
+Better Health Better Life ambidextrous means you can do every thing left or right. You only write left handed cause you was tought that way and you do every thing else right handed I think you said so that makes you right handed
@drmichael82
@drmichael82 7 жыл бұрын
Chris Edmister i know i spent years relearning my letters from an uncorrected childhood creative flair with my letters. does that mean i can't be seen by the world that i can't connect? no!
@corbysloan7934
@corbysloan7934 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a Libra. What does my handwriting say about my fortune cookie?
@SteffiMarshall
@SteffiMarshall 4 жыл бұрын
Lol. I'm a Libra too. And I bet your handwriting is not gonna mean anything but you know how to write.put letters from leaders together yourself. You will see this is b.s. they are getting short on good tedshows🤔
@Gceelow
@Gceelow 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know how the people in the audience kept a straight face while listening to this. I'm in stitches listening to his outrageous logical leaps.
@ams1890
@ams1890 4 жыл бұрын
Totally enjoyed this speaker! Thank you 😊. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@AlexBooster
@AlexBooster 7 жыл бұрын
This should be titled: "How to talk about horoscope-y horse cr@p on TEDx without anyone noticing". And the subtitle should be: "Ideas NOT worth sharing".
@MrGuitarguitarguitar
@MrGuitarguitarguitar 6 жыл бұрын
From reading the comments, it seems most people did notice.
@DeepakKumar-bm1ce
@DeepakKumar-bm1ce 7 жыл бұрын
What about those who don't know how to write. Judgement based on handwriting is completely abstract. Handwriting can be changed in a year or two. So, does that mean they change, their thinking change?
@diosaa
@diosaa 6 жыл бұрын
I love changing my handwriting styles all the time
@marywellnitz9161
@marywellnitz9161 4 жыл бұрын
Which would show flexibility, spontaneity, mindful thought, and imagination.
@unnatiu2557
@unnatiu2557 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't think it was as amazing as many other talks I've heard, probably because I didn't connect with the topic. But the man seems really good with the hope point, I loved the conclusion! And surprisingly the Gandhi storuly too
@WateryIce54321
@WateryIce54321 8 жыл бұрын
This is bogus. Graphology takes course over several natural handwriting samples due to external influences such as emotions, illness, writing utensil, stationary, etc. And to be analyzing a hasty signatures of all things kills me. I still remember a fellow who struck a horizontal line for his signature. There's very little that can be accurately extracted from them.
@hatthomas555
@hatthomas555 7 жыл бұрын
I had a guy sign his credit card slip with a smiley face once when I used to deliver pizzas, haha
@catalin3407
@catalin3407 7 жыл бұрын
Hahah, that means he is always trying to be in a good mood ?
@TranscenDaMental
@TranscenDaMental 4 жыл бұрын
"A month ago I was still eating sugar!" -Gandhi 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Mayank-wo9ze
@Mayank-wo9ze 4 жыл бұрын
Its gandhi
@That_misfit
@That_misfit 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@AA-hm4tj
@AA-hm4tj 5 жыл бұрын
I have all the points in my handwriting ,he told Makes me happy
@sebastiancorrales8773
@sebastiancorrales8773 6 жыл бұрын
You may not believe me but, ever since I wrote the T with the right line going more right, my handwritten work has been credited more.
@frenchinsaneguy
@frenchinsaneguy 7 жыл бұрын
Was this the TED event with the astrologer and the card reader?
@koshermal
@koshermal 4 жыл бұрын
That felt like watching a medium tell horoscopes.
@jewelrossilli1490
@jewelrossilli1490 7 жыл бұрын
This helped me so much it's like a refresher that I mean something.
@JamieMasonCohen
@JamieMasonCohen 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for listening Jewel_is_not_cool, I'm glad I could reach out to you!
@mrssethcohen
@mrssethcohen 7 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I love the hell out of this. I've loved graphology (hand writing analysis) since I was a kid. I had a notebook I would have people write notes in to later analyse. I think it's fascinating - and slightly less insane than astrology. Graphology is actually used in business and cases. Astrology is yet to be.
@JamieMasonCohen
@JamieMasonCohen 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Aliya Sztulman!
@macona.fortune3143
@macona.fortune3143 7 жыл бұрын
I am brutal, my t is high, my first letter is big and I make unnecessary loops twice in my signature. Haha, still this reminds me of horoscopes.
@hilarysvariety5839
@hilarysvariety5839 4 жыл бұрын
He never asked the man in the audience if what he said is true about him 😂 LMAO
@akeelahndou1949
@akeelahndou1949 4 жыл бұрын
Precisely! And then everyone clapped afterwards????
@gonza8824
@gonza8824 4 жыл бұрын
what is he going to say? he said already he works for the government....haha.. tough to say: look you made a mistake it is all the opposite.. ha ha!!
@flowerblodgett1431
@flowerblodgett1431 4 жыл бұрын
i mean via his job title id say its probably accurate but youre right he didnt
@marvelaturraz5405
@marvelaturraz5405 4 жыл бұрын
Although the man who had stood up was in silhouette, I could see him nod to confirm the points as the speaker made them. Everyone there would have seen that even clearer than we do on this video. So there was no reason to formally ask the man if his points were correct, as the man was responding with his body language that it was.
@harrisonsummerell2265
@harrisonsummerell2265 4 жыл бұрын
I watched other graphology programs and the guy in the audience has a dangerous g
@yarareadstheclassics
@yarareadstheclassics 5 жыл бұрын
When he was showing Ghandi's o's, there was an r attached to one of them, and I think that's the first time I've ever seen an r handwritten with the same extra loop I put in mine. It was pretty cool.
@zerubbabelthebuilder8039
@zerubbabelthebuilder8039 4 жыл бұрын
Good insight. I have also watched that sometimes when people write on a paper,the words do not touch the line below or above. Normally, it has to touch the line below. Instead, it hangs in between the lines.Sometimes,it is because there is a hindrance which is making them to "hang in the air" (not to touch the line below). It mostly could be a spiritual hindrance.
@rahxephon52
@rahxephon52 8 жыл бұрын
This is a great talk, thank you.
@JamieMasonCohen
@JamieMasonCohen 8 жыл бұрын
+rahxephon52 Thanks so much for taking your time to watch.
@Albanez39
@Albanez39 4 жыл бұрын
I cross "T"s fairly high, and I write the first letter of my name incredibly huge compared to the rest, yet I'm a parasitic procrastinator with a lot of self doubt and social anxiety. Hurray for science!
@LisaMaryification
@LisaMaryification 4 жыл бұрын
@Astral'o Pthecus You are also very self-aware, it seems.
@Albanez39
@Albanez39 4 жыл бұрын
@@LisaMaryification We all are up to a point, most people are just ashamed of their true nature and tend to lie or withhold about themselves and their personality...(which makes them hypocrites) And I hate hypocrisy!
@LisaMaryification
@LisaMaryification 4 жыл бұрын
@@Albanez39 Most people don't know their true nature because they are too busy blaming other people. I know people who went all their lives blaming other people for their failures. They even blamed their own children for being born and ruining their respective careers. Meanwhile it was them who threw away so many opportunities for happiness and joy - especially with their own children.
@nahidsyyed906
@nahidsyyed906 4 жыл бұрын
You will be famous someday soon!
@Jheyanneify
@Jheyanneify 6 жыл бұрын
Great presenter. he gives me hope cuz I'm shy, if he can do it I can present well too
@MONICAANICA
@MONICAANICA 5 жыл бұрын
Inspirational. It is all ....right there, only waiting to be unveiled
@stayawayfrommecorona2942
@stayawayfrommecorona2942 4 жыл бұрын
I've been staring at my handwriting for the whole 10mins
@milk9613
@milk9613 4 жыл бұрын
Dreamy Chacha must be some strong LSD
@christancoding4424
@christancoding4424 4 жыл бұрын
My handwriting almost never changes, it just gets a little bit messier when I'm in a hurry.
@AmbiCahira
@AmbiCahira 7 жыл бұрын
Holy crap I had to look twice, the analyzed handwriting looks exactly like mine and he was actually dead on!
@hojuniverse
@hojuniverse 5 жыл бұрын
That was great! Bet he's a fun teacher🤗
@JesusisJesus
@JesusisJesus 7 жыл бұрын
What this guy is doing, is called "Cold Reading" Really Shit Psychics do it, Palm Readers, Horrible-Scopes, and so forth.
@hawkscratch
@hawkscratch 7 жыл бұрын
thank you jesus
@josin007
@josin007 6 жыл бұрын
armuth the southern magnolia tree I came here looking for this 😜😜😜
@papa_dawg
@papa_dawg 6 жыл бұрын
So true.
@919748420
@919748420 7 жыл бұрын
This went into bullshit-zone really quickly.
@tyvin8
@tyvin8 7 жыл бұрын
I've always been of the opinion that handwriting does talk to the traits of a person. I have a specialized signature; many people do. I know how creative I am and he hit it right on the mark with me. I also don't use cursive when writing, just the signature with a big looping S that underlines the whole thing. Excellent lecture...
@JamieMasonCohen
@JamieMasonCohen 7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed the video Sharon Garcia!
@jewelrossilli1490
@jewelrossilli1490 7 жыл бұрын
Dude the creative!! Thing I've have got that
@mr.animemystery60
@mr.animemystery60 6 жыл бұрын
Well I have all of those things in my writhing and my teachers say I can't understand your writhing and then I'm like my brain works so fast that my writing can't keep up
@RizkhyDestatama
@RizkhyDestatama 7 жыл бұрын
this getting less and less acurate, because todays people doesn't put their feeling anymore into their writing, but put their feeling into their keyboard or screen which is all the same
@vanessabulan4280
@vanessabulan4280 7 жыл бұрын
Dezta93 really keyboard and screen😂😂😂 you are missing out alot on life and you lack of experience or appreciation of creative mind. There are lots of ways people express there creativity in this day and age.. i take it you lack of imagination and just sits in front of TV.. keyboard and screen hilarious but sad on your perception..
@RizkhyDestatama
@RizkhyDestatama 7 жыл бұрын
you might miss interpret my comment Vanessa Bulan i do love handwriting, pen, and paper also. my comment above is sarcasm for today's people.
@vanessabulan4280
@vanessabulan4280 7 жыл бұрын
Dezta93 opps.. my bad...😀😂🤗
@mitchelldavis482
@mitchelldavis482 7 жыл бұрын
Can't get less accurate than a talk that was entirely inaccurate to begin with. Graphology is an out-and-out pseudoscience.
@cochranellaeuknemosslayevryday
@cochranellaeuknemosslayevryday 5 жыл бұрын
its never been accurate sweetheart
@huuumeee6341
@huuumeee6341 3 жыл бұрын
That Gandi story is apocryphal. It's actually an ancient Sufi tale that can be found in books written long before Gandi was born!
@JelowGames
@JelowGames 5 жыл бұрын
This is so true I have always swore to myself to always be honest and it's in my bones anyways. I have the same how as that guy
@justforfun-lc6ze
@justforfun-lc6ze 7 жыл бұрын
this video will surely be popular in India
@hukes
@hukes 8 жыл бұрын
"Leader", the buzzword that always sells, but nothing more than aspirational mumbo-jumbo.
@zararoyce319
@zararoyce319 6 жыл бұрын
hukes your leader is just the new word for manager or executive, it's just a matter of terminology that goes over better on people,
@amask4360
@amask4360 6 жыл бұрын
Words have meaning.
@filipinanatividad4350
@filipinanatividad4350 4 жыл бұрын
Very educational and informative. It is very useful and i enjoy practicing it👀❤️
@yaminikathuria6077
@yaminikathuria6077 6 жыл бұрын
When you write one needs to recognize that it's in the mind and the thought that appears so ya! Its a reflection of the personality
@think2086
@think2086 7 жыл бұрын
This is just like cold-reading type junk. He didn't say anything that guy would likely contradict about his personality/character. This was very unscientific. No claims to actual controlled studies of people's handwriting, etc.
@donovancronkhite2483
@donovancronkhite2483 4 жыл бұрын
Think exactly what I thought, just like palm readers and fortune tellers
@meow-ht4xz
@meow-ht4xz 6 жыл бұрын
"Am I making this stuff up? Don't say no." ...so yes? You are making this stuff up.
@Louis-op4zj
@Louis-op4zj 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂 ded
@BRIDTA
@BRIDTA 4 жыл бұрын
DEADtalk
@RishabhSawant
@RishabhSawant 5 жыл бұрын
nice one TEDxTalk! can't wait to watch how to spot a leader based on their horoscope
@maggiemouscardy4990
@maggiemouscardy4990 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Learned quite a lot about myself and others too!!! Thank you so much!
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