Metamodern Values Explained | Dr. Daniel P. Görtz | TEDxTUBerlin

How do you know if you have the right values? How do you know if they make sense?
We believe, that we all have the best values. But we can’t all be right somehow.
The modern society believes in rationality, science, progress and the dignity of humanity.
Modern life solved several problems, but produced some itself: Sustainability, Rapid Inequality and Mental Health Issues.
So how do our values change so we can solve these problems? Daniel P. Görtz is a Swedish sociologist and „theory artist“. He holds a PhD in sociology from Lund, based on an ethnographic study of ethnicity role in the Swedish police, and he currently lives and works as a writer who seeks to turn social theory into an art form. He is the co-founder of the think-tank Metamoderna and one of the key influences of the Swedish political party, an initiative which started in Stockholm in 2017. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx

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5:45 modern values 10:25 postmodern - 14:39 metamodern -

[@Infidel1990]

THANK YOU

[@nsareen3457]

Bless you

[@minaDesuDesu]

Cheers mate, thanks

[@yml425]

bless ya soul im watching this for an assignment. Thanks king.

[@Dino_Medici]

Ily

[@pohjoisenvanhus]

To me the postmodern have never looked like they abandoned a faith in progress. They're giving more vibes of grasping onto it even harder like a bunch of revolutionaries that are doing whatever they can to grab power thinking that it'll help make their dreams come true in order to have progress at any cost necessary.

[@betty7283]

take the positive aspects , discard the negative ones from both the ages and assimilate/synthesize them to bring in a cultural change/turn in tandem with the generation/era you live in and you get metamodernism! only the term is novel, not the idea behind it. the particulars change with the context and era, but the general idea remains the same and tbh, it is the need of every era otherwise we get stuck and more chaos ensues. always in flux. balance is the key they say.

[@archywillhe1379]

tips: play at x2 speed.

[@dr.kenschmidt5726]

Archy Will He no kidding. I’m asleep at 2:10. 😂

[@pascalhuynh4412]

I should have read this tip earlier on!

[@jessicakhurana1767]

MVP

[@kogbali]

Yeah, but for us who are deep thinkers that is, slow thinker it is just perfect 😁

[@anywallsocket]

I’m at 1.5x and he sounds normal af 😂

[@TheSpiralLab]

I think the problem with this analysis is that vast communities of people, especially in the us, halve pre-modern values. For example US evangelicals largely reject modernity, much less post-modernity.

[@koberburwa]

Rejecting modernity is the epitomy of post-modernism though

[@dylanknight1237]

@@koberburwa touché

[@thekeyandthegate4093]

@@koberburwa Postmodernism does not have a monopoly over the conceptual identity of simply rejection of modernism though. Metamodernism rejects both postmodern and regular modern styles.

[@jacob_massengale]

its not the modern world because everyone is modern. its the modern world because a critical mass of modern people are in power

[@caringheart34]

​@@jacob_massengaleand postmodern ones too.

[@yupisaid]

Take a shot every time he says 'values'.

[@ClarkPotter]

Died.

[@DangerMouse62]

On he floor. 🥴

[@epictetus9221]

Tends to happen when giving a lecture about values

[@yupisaid]

@@epictetus9221 Nah he's just a midwit

[@ramanspeedballof930]

I'd like to ask. When is Ted himself going to talk?

[@apexxxx10]

*Wainting for Godot! NO! Waiting for TED? Is this Dude a Millennial? I’m watching the shoelaces on his trendy sneakers. How does it feel? So much Psychobabble! Too much? Greetings from sunny tropical Thailand: Johnny BikeSanooK! Born in Suomi-Finland. Septuagenarian biker, who lives in Thailand*

[@abbichoa145]

i've just got this thought finished in my mind by my mind today, a few hours ago i said it to my gf. All what i said is what Dr Daniel said. Looking forward to talk with you Dr!

[@nicholastitus1038]

“Modern values solved epidemics and war and state police oppression.” 🔮

[@johnglaze7882]

That caught my attention as well. As if🙄

[@jacob_massengale]

Modern values have those interests yes, but there are all the pre and post modern values and economic factors to contend with. Also I don't think it solves police oppression, police will always be oppressive, but it does solve police brutality and a 'police state', as those are functions of premodern sets of values

[@nietzschebietzsche]

I also sigh every time someone speaks of the "postwar period". It makes sense from their reference point (postwar for the developed western country they are speaking from where domestic economic and social progress exploded) but obscures the fact that this really just means a proxy war period. As if some grandiose peace ensued after WWII rather than half a century of hot wars that were only one long cold war for the ones who wrote the history books.

[@EnWordHunter1488]

Can we ditch the word "modern" from future philosophical movements? It takes up so much typographical space...

[@calebhusch1464]

I like your funny words magic man

[@DarkMoonDroid]

0:08 I love Daniel. And I love TED. But because of your intro, I will never - *_NEVER_* - click on another XTUBerlin again. Ever. 💣👂💥😖🦻

[@DarkMoonDroid]

Fuckin' idiots...

[@MrBilalsabbagh]

great talk, simple language and good content

[@cardenioscouse6238]

One feature of Modernism was that it was the logical response to the Enlightenment but many modern artists were in the Counter Enlightenment tradition. This was achieved by exploring non-western cultures, questioning the role of progress, he rise of 20th Century chaos and Einstein's theories of relativism.

[@Anton-yx3ek]

you did't say theories of relativism

[@gtjus]

Love this, Great to hear about this!

[@samantanweer5054]

The postmodern position does leave us directionless...one doesn't know what to value in life ; whether or not to trust ourselves, our language, our own identity. it leaves us with no choice but to be ironical about just about everything ...then where will "meaning" come from in life ? Is there nothing to aspire to? Nothing worthwhile to achieve ? Is all progress meaningless?...I think it is at such points that recourse can be taken from a more synthesized value system..

[@kserug]

I recommend the philosophy of Albert Camus, he basically says yeah life is meaningless, but we should defiantly continue to search for a purpose in life.

[@DaudrichDima]

@Klas Wullt Did you read any postmodern texts? If you happen to read texts from the likes of Derrida and Deleuze, you will notice that your assumptions are not sufficient and that there is no cultural marxist agenda that wants to tell you how to think. When Derrida critized dichotomies, he did not arrive at the conclusion that nothing has meaning and we can not have any direction. On the one side, he feared to make people feel bad with his critique. This is the first difference between the intellectuals of postmodernism and the popular conception of postmodern activism. On the other side, he came to the conclusion that, even though one thing is not "better" than the other, he still prefers peace over war. This is not a notion limited to Derrida - if you really read postmodern texts, you will notice that they do not arrive at the conclusion of directionlessness, but rather at the conclusion of freedom of choice. Meaning: You can choose yourself whatever holds value to you. Postmodernist scholars never wanted to destroy you. People felt directionless because they were afraid to take these decisions.

[@kurtjohnston8370]

@@DaudrichDima Radicals within Academia like Judith Butler for example used PM to - as she saw it - 'deconstruct' masculinity, gender, WASP society etc. What is most bizzare is that this is obviously as an opportunistic weapon against european societies, for example, do any leftists and/or radicals march into the patriarchal societies that most definitely exist in tribal areas and lecture? Woooooah no. Any science that shows that there are innate differences between genders? Illegitimate to their eyes, as the preassumption that gender is a social construct. But the science of Climate Change? Oh no that is legitimate and universal and understood as a rationalist from the 18th century would understand science. i.e. elucidates a universally True understanding of reality. These incoherent positions are majorly annoying and shows that there is political opportunism rooted at the heart of the movement.

[@emmanueloluga9770]

@@DaudrichDima Ok let's give your assessment and analysis in regards to the conclusions of postmodernism a benefit of the doubt. So they arrive at a conclusion of "freedom of choice". WTH does that even mean in the purest of postmodern frameworks? Your truth vs my truth to espouse your choices vs mine? Then that is bogus as any conclusions can get from a contradictory premise of relativism. The likes of Kierkegaard and his contemporaries already espoused the relativist premise and also presented the same conclusion of everything being a "Leap of faith" so to speak. Postmodernism is justified in its premises and analysis, but they fell prey themselves to the system and felt the need to provide a "useful" conclusion, which inevitably turned out useless in the grand scheme of things since unironically, they laid everything bare and people were immediately able to grasp the nuances and feel in full effects the inherent contradictions within the system. It does posit conclusively, that postmodernism is unfortunately a rigorous philosophy of critique and deconstruction which has been proven time and again to be impotent in enacting any substantial change. Please correct me If I am wrong and talking out my rear.

[@deprogramr]

What if you commented something like "Cheese! I love cheese! I want to eat cheese all the time, I want to live in cheese, eat nothing but cheese. I want to learn to make cheese."? If you were a post-modernist cheese maker/lover, you could make some really inventive cheeses that draw inspiration from all the cheeses of the world and history, and even draw inspiration from outside of traditional cheese-making. Would that be an appropriate "meaning" to your life? "Meaning" derives from your relationship to the universe. Whether you're a postmodernist or a christian anarchist or even a nihilist, meaning is generally to be found in your relationships, be them abstract or concrete.

[@Shibby27ify]

Great to see a sister approach to Integral and Spiral Dynamics

[@lidu6363]

I cringe at anything in the area of "the latest step of development will lead you to OUR ideology which is of course the BEST and every rational human WILL subscribe to it."

[@MarmaladeINFP]

Metamodernism is more proposing a meta-ideology. It's aspiring to a broad, open, and fluid way to think about all ideologies in order to discern what is of value to synthesize toward real world understanding and practical application. The purpose is to reframe the very concept of ideology with greater respect and tolerance, empathy and compassion. This requires learning to hold ideologies, along with identities, more loosely and with more awareness.

[@reinhardtzumbe3284]

@@MarmaladeINFP you are Just saying words without any meaning behind them. There is no concept to grasp.

[@shamusson]

@@MarmaladeINFP >Tolerance >Empathy >Compassion There it comes.

[@shamusson]

@@MarmaladeINFP "This requires learning to hold ideologies, along with identities, more loosely and with more awareness." 🤓

[@WillGaylord]

@@shamusson What a very insightful deconstruction of what they had to say

[@joubinzargarbashi6545]

TEDx, your intro volume compared to video itself is too loud!! please fix it.

[@DarkMoonDroid]

💣👂💥😖🦻

[@eskelCz]

Modern values are fine, it's just that our deepest animal nature doesn't fit them very well. Few selfish/sociopathic but powerful people can spoil the whole effort, leaving us with long-lived systems standing on bad incentives. Therefore it's still a jungle, just way more complex.

[@patrickclamrod9454]

Interesting point. Sounds like a postmodern conclusion even though you aren’t criticizing the values themselves.

[@nietzschebietzsche]

​@@patrickclamrod9454 not really. It sounds like an uncritical judgement of modern values which, as it turns out, inherently breed war, oppressed groups, and unsustainable resource use and overall problematic socioeconomic systems, power relationships, and institutions. To write it off as a few psychopaths or sociopaths ruining modernism is just another big story. Not really a deconstruction at all

[@jackberesford3233]

Great talk. Would be interesting to hear Görtz study and/or talk about Africa. Many countries are going to explode in population and industralise, but also in a philosophical sense become more western and deviate from traditional values. I've been working in the big port city of Abidjan for the last few months and it looks and sounds more like a European city than the small villages just a few hours away. Many people here have expensive watches, phones shoes and drink a lot (as in Europe), which seems a real departure from the traditional and spiritual values you associate with rural Africa. Would be interested in any literature on this but I'll look around myself

[@billjohnson6863]

It’s because what you call “western” isn’t really “western”, it’s just how cultures tend to act when they modernize and progress. Denying this fact has caused a lot of cultural problems because people don’t want to believe that they have to change their culture in order to progress. They want to have their cake and eat it too but this isn’t possible because changing their culture is what allows them to progress in the first place. There are no more Vikings because that culture had to change, and Africa’s culture will have to change too.

[@pulse3554]

​@@billjohnson6863 this is fairly reductive, and a non-eurocentric analysis of colonialism in India and south asian / east asia history pretty quickly debunks this. The asian influences / origins of metamodern values themselves need to be elucidated to understand this more Cultures act in this manner because the west holds most of the capital in the world, disproportionately so, and controls the guard rails around which this capital is transacted. Cultures have to acquiesce, they're forced to adhere. Western liberalism isn't too progressive when compared against the historical philosophies of some asian states - the classic european ethic is to be so deluded in their own place in the world. This is a result of your colonial justifications

[@cobyleebrooks]

would have loved a practical example of a synthesis of conflicting worldviews. say, on an issue like abortion as conjoined to human rights.

[@nietzschebietzsche]

LMAO, that's what I'm saying. It kinda sounds like this is another game for virtue signaling. I can already see the fragmented tribes of the left that latch onto slogans as moral hills to die on, battering the very folks they should be allying with taking up metamodernist signifiers so they can once again hold status and endow themselves as our universalist spokespeople

[@erikljungberg1056]

Great talk! Here are my two cents. If the fundamental principle of metamodernism is true, firstly that people perceive the world from developmental worldviews that proceed in stage-like fashion, and secondly, that the highest stage is the only stage to recognize this, then wouldn't all the other worldviews watching this completely miss the point about metamodernism and about this talk? It would be like explaining the importance of free speech to a religious fundamentalist, or telling a venture capitalist that biodiversity is more important than profits. I've played a lot lately with the idea of making a presentation of developmental thought that includes stage-specific explanations for all of the stages. So you could explain metamodernism in a framework explicitly suited for the modern worldview, or in a framework explicitly suited for the postmodern worldview, etc. But then again; what if these worldviews simply aren't capable of grasping the principle of developmental thought? Then the best one can hope for is to target the upper levels of the postmodern stage, those who are on the verge of transitioning to metamodern, but this is probably just 5% of the population, so the audience would be pretty slim. Lastly, I think it would be advantageous for a movement such as Metamoderna to engange and interact with other similar projects. The idea of developmental thought is not exactly new. There are dozens of developmental thinkers out there, and they all tend to agree to the basics, so why not include them in the argument and make a much stronger case? Metamodernism is not an isolated strain of thought. It is indebted to many people before it; Piaget, Gebser, Graves, Kegan. Oh, and did I forget someone? Hmmm... It seems to be just on the tip of my tongue... Could it be.... Oh nevermind, I'll think of it later.

[@emmanueloluga9770]

HEGEL. We paid for skipping and skimming him over when he still has today the most rigorous engagement with philosophy, faith, and reason ever undertook. More so, can you please expand upon your own ideas of developmental thought and its presentation methodologies?

[@jasonb4269]

This is such a great point

[@MarmaladeINFP]

Many metamodern thinkers are familiar with and influenced by various developmental theories, often overlapping with integral thought. But they see inadequacies and problems with pre-metamodern thought that requires a greater synthesis.

[@nietzschebietzsche]

I assumed you were talking about development in terms of demographic transition until you mentioned Piaget. Are you talking about individual developmental models? How do these relate to metamodernism (which I still am not conceding is an articulated ideology, mindset, or philosophical project at this point)?

[@dylanknight1237]

Ohhhhhhh myyyyyyyy goooooooooood... I searched for this video, and my eyes glazed over anyways. I imagine it was informative, but he was the exactly average speaker.

[@hFactorial]

"Epidemics more or less stopped" HhhmmHHhhMmmm

[@andrelousada]

lol Yeah!

[@mythnow]

oof

[@epictetus9221]

That part didn't age too well

[@pamelarivero2505]

this was gold

[@HitomiAyumu]

So much fluff. Good god, this speech could have been 5 minutes.

[@travisvinning6934]

2 minutes

[@DarkMoonDroid]

There is a playback speed option in the settings...

[@emmanueloluga9770]

@Consumption Wizardry Succinctly brilliant take. SO Much ideology is already ingrained in us from birth that there is an overbearing disparity between the influences of Nature vs Nurture in today's society. Op is either being ironic (trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here), or he is just that naive and clueless of his own tendencies.

[@1yearago491]

@@emmanueloluga9770 ideology is ingrained in us from birth?

[@emmanueloluga9770]

@@1yearago491 yeah. We are hard wired for ideology which is our nature. However, the igraining comes from the nurturing. Our nature is guided for the most part to whatever kind of ideology we are nurtured with.

[@LowenKM]

Though largely agree, funny how some 'meta-modernists' speak as if folks can change their fundamental 'values' as easily as a suit of clothes.

[@HakWilliams]

Cowabunga, dude!

[@nighttimetelevision2969]

Tbh vansire's song metamodernity lead me to this

[@papadelta1812]

Me tooo 🥺

[@NekolosTV]

i am now interested in metamodernity because of vansire

[@AJDelRose]

I thought he did a good job describing modernity. And only further gives me the conclusion that modernity is not progress. What many now call progress I see as the de-evolution of culture to that of the mass man. The values of the enlightenment have lead us to meaningless lives. The ultimate conclusion to mass egalitarian is the leveling of the world for nefarious purposes those purposes ultimately created to homogenize the world to produce more widgets and items we don’t even need. For now let us leave modern man to their “truths”. I say this now not to be concerned about the capitalist bourgeoise but for when things become serious at a global scale and for those men who know and can form into an unshakable bloc.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

You are presenting a postmodern view that easily leads to pessimism, cynicism, and apathy. Metamodernism is post-postmodernism in seeking something beyond that. Deconstruction is not enough for we need to reconstruct something out of the pieces.

[@billjohnson6863]

I would call modem medicine progress. The fact that we can cure and treat so many medical conditions is a direct result of modernism.

[@juliusevolvere6835]

@@billjohnson6863 yes! I too am very happy that modern medicine exists. It has allowed me to triple the numbers of my army and unlike those in the west so willing to “change their culture” for the sake of “progress” my culture is stubborn and thus immortal. Rootless westerners with your suicidal ideology of equality, will allow me to defeat you quite effortlessly. Thanks. - Some African warlord

[@thadtheman3751]

Says the guy who is probably typing this opn a phone ubinaginable in 1900, over a network that was unimaginable in the 1900.

[@thephilosophicalagnostic2177]

If you have enough posts, you'll be able to build a nice backyard fence.

[@raymondmarquez1525]

Personally I see metamodernism a lot in our media, specifically movies. I feel once myths baby boomers die off the ideas of modernism will go with them. However we still have the postmodernist to deal with (cynical bunch.)

[@jesseward568]

It's just affluenza. If there was an apocalypse people would realize what was important.

[@josephgestaltet]

This is where the metamodern values show to be dangerous. Perhaps more complex than postmodern value sets, yes, but you just fell into the trap of confusing values with people. Not wanting to put you on the spot here since this tendency to objectify happens to all of us and is innately human. Something to keep in mind though, that this is not something that ends with taking up a more complex value system.

[@darmaw22]

This metamodern gibberish is even worse than the postmodern deconstruction. These are confused people trying to get out of their own lexical traps. Along the way they simply fall in love with their own words.

[@ezechiel4619]

Or maybe it's ideas so revolutionary we don't even have the adequate lexicon to express them ?

[@steviewonder417]

Sounds like progress can be used as an excuse to “re-educate” religious communities.

[@durfdurffigan8680]

No

[@hoshimaruarchives8990]

yes.

[@durfdurffigan8680]

Hoshimaru Archives NO

[@MarmaladeINFP]

The two earliest major metamodern thinkers are openly Christian. Seeking to re-educate people has more to with modernism than with postmodernism or metamodernism (i.e., post-postmodernism). I suppose a kind of re-education also is seen with premodern forced religious conversions. Anyway, beginning with postmodernism, a different kind of attitude begins to develop. But, in modern society, we are seeing a mix of all of these simultaneously, albeit metamodernism is only barely emerging. I doubt we'll have to worry about metamodern anything on the larger scale for quite a while.

[@thelistener1268]

And I'm down for it.

[@tensenpark]

Haha "Epidemics more or less stopped"... If only...

[@andrelousada]

yes lol

[@TheJMB3000]

Isn't this tautological? You assume that there are things like metamodern values and then try to facilitate the progress of value-development in people to get there. I know that this argument in itself is postmodern and it needs to be proven by modern values and the methods of science thereby combining modern and postmodern values. Okay i get the point now haha

[@jamesbarlow6423]

Why haven't you really explained anything (again, as usual)?😂

[@raminsafizadeh]

What is this? Shouldn’t waste the label-meta! And, btw, what you are saying is known as the integral theory and has been around for quite a while. How did he get into Tedx?

[@MarmaladeINFP]

Some metamodern theorists not only consider themselves post-postmodernism but also post-integralism. These thinkers are familiar with and often influenced by integral theory. Others combine integral and metamodern. The point is that metamodernism is more than merely integralism, if they aren't necessarily in opposition, depending on what one means by integral theory. What the metamodern critics are sometimes responding to is the anti-postmodern tendencies of many integral thinkers. Anti-postmodernism is not post-postmodernism, a difference that makes a difference, so the metamodernists argue.

[@gitbuh12345qwerty]

Isn't he that kid from the Subway commercials?

[@carolina_grace5721]

Good thing I don't look to others opinions of what makes sense to them compared to what makes sense to me. If people keep following the majority........ whom says "you need others to agree with you to know you're doing the "right" things for your life", you will enter that wide gate with them, and we all know where the wide gate leads to. Love is not based on rationality... its mysterious and phenomenal. People shouldn't compare themselves to others but learn to develop a healthy level of self love, and then learn to love another. When focused on, love becomes one with those following its narrow path of few inhabitants. People are steered by many things. The Holy Spirit being the only perfect master of mastering yourself. I can only tell you that Christ saved me... and I know it... regardless if that makes sense to others... matters not... my life is not existent for their simplistic opinions on whether my understandings make sense to them or not. If my logic is logical to them or not. If we truly desire to help others grow, we must first learn to think on the level of valuing life with high levels of respect, gratitude and grace. Knowing you are loved by God is a huge step in personal growth, yet many are continually unable to know this fact. Yet we're all on our own paths in the perfect spot we need to be in, in order to develop into the stages of spiritual evolvement, which is the only true evolving that occurs with humans as we are spirit beings inside animal bodies. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and insights. I see your efforts :)

[@patrickclamrod9454]

I agree with the sentiments of many spiritual and religious beliefs. But there is a troubling intellectual problem in the pre-supposed belief in the existence of a capital G ‘God’. There is a beautiful definition to this God, but it takes faith to embrace this God in the way that is religiously intended. And faith is not something that that seems to be excusable in an intellectual or rational sense. Because scientifically we demand external, observable proof for the existence of a given thing, to call it a thing. Without that, what remains is the idea of that thing, which in my opinion is just as powerful and real, but it does not satisfy many of today’s minds.

[@RushGamingDK]

@@patrickclamrod9454 Well said.

[@ЕкатеринаПерминева-э9щ]

Hate these long pretentious pauses

[@Guderian0617]

Play the video at 1.25x, then he will be talking at a normal speed.

[@Moonlight.Melon.Mounter]

I think English is not his first language give the guy a break

[@GHC888]

You see pretentious, I see him kind of nervously trying to organize his wordings in front of an audience, which probably would happen to anyone.

[@mr.djeathcore4279]

@@GHC888 especially given the fact that his base claim is that Post-Modernism is so engrained into our culture that he's liable of having himself subject to defamation, threats & violence because the power structures socially and institutionally are committed to their deconstructive atomization of Western society.

[@MrJesseBell]

I find it difficult to swallow this pill, as it appears metamodernism is an attempt to remedy the fear, that comes with the idea that, its not necessary to figure out value structures, in order to maximize human potential or progress. Let nature take its course, rather than try to interfere with models or systems that continuously have to adapt around truth. Let truth do what it does best. You are not in control of how your fears act out. Both rationalizing or feeling our way towards truth wont help us ultimately cure our human condition. Metamodernism doesn't present a solution, but rather a temporary distraction for us to continue our narrative of progress. Just be, rather than be modern.

[@DaudrichDima]

I did not quite understand what you propose by saying "Just be"? Because we keep moving "forward" in time at least, and things change. How do we deal with this change? How do we deal with our challenges? I do not wish to have set value structures as in modernism. But we have to have something? This is how we human-beings work. Or else how will we solve our challenges? Do we try our best to work together? I sincerely hope so.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

The belief in letting truth do what it does best, as if truth exists on its own, is modern ideological realism and essentialism. This ignores the arguments and critiques of postmodernism. And, until we confront postmodernism, we can't possibly even comprehend what post-postmodernism might be. The metamodern is attempting to dialectically synthesize the discernable value within both modernism and postmodernism. But first we have to come to terms with the present world of conflict between the two. Simply dismissing one of them doesn't get us anywhere and so it would mean remaining stuck. That is precisely the problem.

[@sebastienblack7886]

“ Castel “

[@AT-AT-AT-AT]

twitter won’t forget

[@adcar61]

Is it really necessary to start it off with tinnitus-inducing, head-banging noise blasts? Think of your listeners! Turned it off before a word.

[@charlesmagne1316]

So we had modernism, postmodernism, then post postmodernism and now metamodernism? Geez, they really stopped trying haven't they? Why not coming up with something totally cool and original like necromodernism or post mortem modernism, uh?

[@AppliedSpace]

Is this for real? Nothing is being said, no claim, just observations, what a joke.

[@taofallenstar6419]

He keeps saying "meta-modern values" but does he ever name any of them? Nope. He mentions using science to help people, sounds like modernism with extra steps. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@nietzschebietzsche]

This seems relatively incoherent to me. Were going to use science and tehcnology, meditation, mindfulness, psychology, introspection, and vague solidarity projects do make everything better for everyone? It just sounds like a globalist revision of modernism. How is it transcending the postmodern ideology and mindset? I guess you could say im a postmodernist and a pessimist by nature, but to me it just sounds like the speaker wants really hard to be less existentially depressed and has developed a coping mechanism called metamodernism that doesn't (at least from what i know so far) have much prescriptive value. Maybe it's deeper than it appears to be so far, I know TED talks tend to stay high-level, but it just sounds like a new coping mechanism rather than a big new movement to me.

[@siyaindagulag.]

Pity. The thing is still on rails.🤣

[@wweronisia]

"epidemics have more or less stopped'" - oh that didn't age well

[@shamusson]

Booooring...

[@matheox4425]

This is a bunch of nonsense

[@cloudoftime]

This narrative relies upon inaccurate generalizations. Modernism did not yet solve every problem, and who claimed that it did? The fact that there are still cases of inequality in the world doesn't negate the trend or effectiveness of processes of modernism. That's like someone walking onto a construction site and complaining that the bathroom isn't useable when they haven't finished building the bathroom. It's a project, not a completed work.

[@avavaviv1]

Aestetics of Ted is hideous..

[@siyaindagulag.]

only collectively. Guy is a sociologist. tell me I'm wrong hmm?

[@nashthrashington9749]

I am for Metamodernism, but I have three critiques: 1)We are clearly in the post modern age at this point. Trump and Trudeau would not be world leaders in a time that values science and dignity; also Gen X and Millennials are in middle age and their ironic cynicism has run rampant throughout society. 2)Metamodernism does not dictate specific values. You mention inequality, but that's assuming that people should value equality over things like stability and freedom. In fact the post modern movement is largely based around equality, "everything and everyone is relative and subjective" therefore equal. 3)It seems more like you're advocating a return to modernism with appeals to science, so the waters are a bit muddy in this video.

[@abbichoa145]

I think, he's not finished his writing yet.

[@SamGarcia]

Trump does memes. He's metamodern.

[@nashthrashington9749]

Sam Garcia Possibly. I do think there's a reason he resonates with zoomers.

[@epictetus9221]

The idea is that the metamodern era is only beginning to be ushered in. It's in its early developmental stages. And no, he isn't advocating regression to modernism - if you are to transcend a model, your new model has to integrate the earlier ones, or their positive aspects at least. The idea is to form a synthesis of two perspectives. And getting rid of science is hardly a good idea in any sense anyway.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

As many have noted, from Augustine to Adam Smith, a free society is impossible with high inequality. And stability is also impossible with high inequality, as it always ends badly with some forces equalizing society again. See: Walter Scheidel, The Great Leveler.

[@abekelly9935]

Really ? We can trust science to fill that "hole in our soul" ?

[@Omnifarious0]

I don't think he's saying that. I'm not sure where you got that from actually. It sounds like you're critiquing Sam Harris, not this guy. This guy actually sounds like he's channeling the whole intellectual dark web.

[@ValentinTeodorTamas]

It's more like: "Despite what differences we may have, we're in this thing together." Kind of like Rene Decartes or Thomas Aquinas with their views on science and ethics.

[@MEZZR0W]

Klas Wullt simply and well said Klas 👍

[@ConfusedApe]

@Klas Wullt A: I think there's a problem with my soul. B: There's no such thing as a soul. A: Wow! Thanks I'm cured.

[@JTaylortrois]

​@@TheZenBullet I cannot the soul is the hole

[@jasperjay82]

Metamodernism is just dialectics with a dash of new-age.

[@JDesrosiers]

Exactly. Metamodernism is hegelian dialectic applied to modernism + post-modernism.

[@patrickclamrod9454]

I still don’t understand what metamodernism is supposed to mean. There is no color to it’s definition.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

I grew up in new age religion. And I'm familiar with metamodern theory. I see little relationship between the two.

[@Niarro]

In this video: No talk about what Metamodern values actually are, specifically. Waste of time.

[@aroach7461]

Metamodernism sounds like a bunch of people trying to think like their more enlightened. But in reality fails to account for some of the most basic ideas and questions of life. Leading to nothing but nihilism.

[@shamusson]

Best advice to deal with people like that - only reply with one of these two: A "🤓" or a "💀".

[@ezechiel4619]

@@shamusson found the post modern ironic brainlet

[@AlexandreRoy-g1g]

Post modern values and logic in the same sentence makes no sense at all.

[@k.butler8740]

Best wishes, but your intro clip is jarring and doesn't set the scene and do the speaker justice

[@hyperbolicandivote]

Abandon Philosophy, do something .

[@shamusson]

@Prasanth Thomas Philosophy started as an anti-democratic Tradition, just look at good ol Socrates

[@olegasphoto]

Первые 9 минут - трата времени

[@b.c.slumber3694]

That intro is stupidly loud.

[@Pazzystar]

Yeah, but is it still attacking liberalism as imperial and oppressive?😂

[@Everyman777]

What a lot of words. 😒

[@Todayyespresentno]

this doesn't make sense

[@Shadoweavr]

Who gave this guy a microphone? This is some of the worst public speaking I have ever heard.

[@thadtheman3751]

He kind of lost me when he wanted to praise the French revolution without praising the French revolution. How many more people hjave to die because we listen to idiots like this?

[@Novapsihoanaliza]

Just not good. First learn something about Husserl, Heidegger, Levinas...

[@atalipsos9799]

The downsides of modernism you mentioned are not related to modernism. If some countries become richer because they embraced modernism and others do not because they still live by medieval standards that is not a problem of modernism itself. Postmodernism ("there is no truth and mathematics is only an opinion") is the destruction of modernism and backfall to superstition.

[@ADerpyReality]

It's the middle ground between modernism and post moderism.

[@florianfelix8295]

this comment section is ridiculous clearly ppl like Gilles Deleuze said mathematics are only an opinion^^ get off your Peterson crab horde.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

You are making a modernist argument that ignores postmodern critique. So, there is no possibility of understanding post-postmodern metamodernism that seeks a greater dialectical synthesis beyond both modernism and postmodernism.

[@ghoul3227]

I wasted 19 minutes of my life

[@damaristighe3227]

Jesus...

[@aion5837]

Drivel.

[@epictetus9221]

Not at all. It's a very lucid and clear presentation. (On a subject you're probably not into?)

[@taofallenstar6419]

I'm all on board with anything that critiques postmodernism but I tire of these arguments that claim or imply that the problems with the modern world are a product of modernism. It's the same weak argument as claiming that the problems with modern capitalism comes from the idea of capitalism itself and not from people being corrupt and immoral. Did the modernist values create the inequality of the modern world? It's like asking if valuing rationality leads to irrationality and if valuing free speech leads to censorship. Of course not. So, it looks like the problems with the modern world come from a lack of modernism values. Solving the problems with the modern world would be the rational and scientific approach to progressing society. Is meditation a meta-modern tool or is it rational and scientific? Postmodernism is a reaction to modernism, not what comes after. Metamodernism appears to be a return to the perfection of modernism. Cuz integrating the issues that have arisen is the rational approach to progress.

[@jayjenkins6021]

What is he saying when he says "castel".... does he mean castle??? It's confusing..... seems damned bright, but castel??? ....read the transcript, he is saying "castle" as in medieval structure", but pronounces castel. Geez, really. What else does he get wrong?

[@damaristighe3227]

Jesus...