How Fake News Grows in a Post-Fact World | Ali Velshi | TEDxQueensU

[@jonbowman7686]

This has aged like fine wine for us who live in the USA, Thank you!

[@stevegelesko4159]

It certainly has. CNN and the other MSM have accounted for 156 fake news reports in the last 4 years. Take a look at Sharyl Attkisson, who has compiled a list of media mistakes in the Trump era, almost always to the ex-president’s detriment. The tally now stands at 156. Google it

[@jonbowman7686]

​@@stevegelesko4159 that's better than i would have expected, only about 3 mistakes per month out of ALL the mainstream sources? I'm impressed. I'm sure the non mainstream media would actually be a surprisingly huge number, since they purposely spread misinformation. At least MSM actually tries.

[@Tokinjester]

@@jonbowman7686 any sources to go with that ridiculous assertion?

[@Jennztube]

@@jonbowman7686 one mistake is all it takes

[@freddygarfunkle8947]

​@@stevegelesko4159 sharyl is a moron who only attacks non right wing news.

[@GrannySanny]

You might want to go back and look at the "Russian Collusion" story now. You might want to look at the questions asked at every presidential press briefing.

[@vinaysharma2624]

You mean the investigation that lead to 3 convictions for people in the trump campaign lying about their ties to known Russian assets?

[@f0xygem]

The irony is that I actually am a Kenyan born Muslim, and he (Barack Obama) wasn't at any of the meetings. Love it. Brilliant.

[@artmcpharlin6730]

How do you know?

[@ChipmunkRapidsMadMan1869]

Mare Graphix that was just Hillary Clinton's campaign people trying to get him out of the way.

[@chtomlin]

we don't know where Obama was born or who is father is...

[@warrenp8877]

So there are meetings of just Kenyans and all Kenyans always attend all the meetings? It's poor joke Mare Graphics and you ate it up. It's not fake news that is the problem, it is the total lack of critical thinking that has brought us to this point.

[@jonbowman7686]

@@chtomlin except it's public record. You first need to learn what "google" is though, so i see why it's over your head.

[@russellapplegate5661]

I can't see mister Velshi without seeing the burning building behind him at the "Peaceful Protest"

[@FelixCulpa333]

"This is mostly a protest, it is not generally speaking unruly" as buildings burn down behind him.

[@racerx6041]

I watch Valshi and Rhule and can say they are actually fair and balanced. They hold both parties to account and are honest.

[@marksoder6371]

not true

[@CrystalCoyoteX]

@@marksoder6371 then prove that. Not familiar with anything about the guys he's talking about, but a two word answer changes no minds. It can go one of two ways. Either you'll learn something, or they will. If you're earnest.

[@ThatBlueFalcon]

@@marksoder6371 You are literally the kind of person he is talking about. Prove that he is not telling the truth by posting your sources. Otherwise you are a part of the problem.

[@LEO-xo9cz]

That depends on your bias.

[@earthman4222]

I can't believe he went off because someone asked his source. Everything is subject to fact checking, this guy included.

[@notchagrandpa8875]

Not when you're working for a fake news station.

[@UTubeISphere]

He explained why, namely that the number of 'what is your source' askers has increased, notably to undermine trust in traditional and legacy journalism.

[@S1lky805]

"Not generally speaking unruly but fires have been started." -Ali Velshi

[@judithraunig-graham1273]

This piece is terrific. Congratulations for a clear explanation that explains the many aspects of "fake news". Thank you!

[@browniesbyte]

I love Ali. He's one of the best reporters on TV.

[@chtomlin]

Straight up CNN liar....

[@Johnsmith-1224]

He is a propagandist.

[@tedd7028]

Wake up, he's a talking head.

[@gmann7082]

Ali Velshi is a corrupt MSNBC LIAR!!

[@johnc9017]

The problem with the mainstream media is not one of putting out things that are not factually true, it is what mainstream media selects as newsworthy, and worse, what it chooses not to report. A second problem is the mixing of commentary with news. Each night before I watch the news, I already know what the take-away will be depending on which station I am watching. The words that are used to describe a story communicate a commentary. Shocking disclosure as opposed to this person said…. Cold blooded killer as opposed to this person defending himself. It is impossible to discuss race relationships or gender differences without somebody being accused of hate speech or bigotry. The version of “fake news” that the mainstream media practices is only telling one side of the story, or not telling a story at all if it does not pass the political correctness test.

[@thecynic9232]

Oh I love Ali Velshi. I’ve watched him on MSNBC for years. Now he’s normally sitting in Rachel Maddow’s chair. ❤️🇨🇦

[@kermitefrog64]

Incredible incite on how the masses are being manipulated.

[@YoungCharlieMack]

But they aren't being manipulated, unless you consider someone manipulating themselves as manipulation. People seek out the news that supports their own beliefs and discount that which doesn't. No one is manipulating them to do that, they do it themselves.

[@rexeverything4578]

Incite - that's what CNN does alright. Incite BLM & Anqueefa to riot all summer... That's some real insight.

[@owlnyc666]

Thank God that you are not one of the masses? Give me proof that CNN INCITES? 😉

[@owlnyc666]

The report but do not incite. To say they do without proof IS FAKE NEWS!😉

[@jeffcurrie123]

Imagine believing the Russian collusion hoax for 3 years.

[@starbuckstark4745]

Fantastic. I love it. I mourn for the days when we had conversations like this. I want to feel like ppl who have more intellilect & power than me are in charge, or holding others accountable. thank you

[@uriahhammock3731]

Starbuck Stark Don’t keep wishing for those days, make them a reality again

[@Trey-ny7wh]

More liberal cancer spread as damage control. The cats out the bag dumass. Be pissed at yourselves for lying on news networks instead of trying to make ppl feel bad for calling y'all Fake News, which is exactly what y'all are. Pathetic

[@CrystalCoyoteX]

@@uriahhammock3731 couldn't agree more. :) I miss the days when folks talked to one another with civility on politics. That said, don't lose hope! I've had very constructive debates with a handful (okay less than that. Thinkers on political matters on KZbin are getting hard to find since a lot of what gets thrown out to be discussed is our reactions, our beliefs, and many of us are loathe to betray them) of people. Even a firearms enthusiast the one time. If someone is informed enough to make a good point, then I say, let them make it. I will listen, and even learn. Unfortunately (as you can see 1 post up), some folks don't give much a damn about that though. But the jokes ultimately on them. Trick is, don't let them guide the discussion, and continue to engage with the more thoughtful, constructive, and helpful individuals. It's not hard to find the good guys, just look for the ones who still treat people like people, rather than a rival in a wrestling match. Takes expertise that we don't have to determine anyone's legitimacy ("bot or not?"), or help them find a better way forward, so let's simply lead by example instead of sinking down into the murk.

[@MrBubbadon]

@@CrystalCoyoteX u mean u don't like it when people judge u and attack u instead of your argument?

[@CrystalCoyoteX]

@@MrBubbadon kinda? When folks lump me right in with a larger group like I'm a member of some freaky hive mind, it just irks me. Course, maybe I'm just weird... I don't have 100% in common with liberals or conservatives, so rn I'm kinda playing a nice fun game of "follow the integrity" this election cycle. :(

[@ivechang6720]

I'm really glad I watched this instead of running away from anything labeled "fake news!" This was so helpful for me to understand other people's experiences with this subject. I do have fun trying to confuse those algorithm buggers though.😉 I explain my media diet as that, a healthy plan. Go where the good stuff is, or you can see a lot of burgers and fries at McD's. LOL right?? Be well and happy wishes.

[@sbarncar]

Why I watch Ali and colleagues at MSNBC - they work hard to get it right. MSNBC wasn't so great before the election when they thought Trump was fun to report and didn't confront him enough - and you saw what happened. The "Kenyan born Muslim" part I just discovered and made me love this guy even more. KUDOS, my brother.

[@Orf]

14:00 omg. Fake news is not just in “dark alleys”

[@studiosandi]

Thank you for your excellent talk.

[@Susan-xu4bp]

Ali is smart & honest. Watch Velshi & Rhule and you will see 2 brave journalists that will #MAGA

[@dilkry]

One of the best and little known news shows on TV.

[@b_rouse]

I always record this show! Love Steph and Ali!

[@garykendrasmith]

ALI VELSHI IS FANTASTIC

[@Orf]

17:00 favors sources at very high source

[@nirmalawilson8630]

I’ve always found Velshi an interesting “listen”, and I go along with all that he says here - except when he gets a query about his source (at 5.20), and he asserts, “Now c’mon, I’m not a journalism student, I’m a veteran journalist in my 24th year”, adding that he could be disciplined or even fired for purveying fake news. The clear implication - that “he” should not be asked to disclose his source because he’s not a cub reporter, and c’mon, he’s accountable for his reporting - borders on arrogance. A junior reporter is also accountable, and equally risks dismissal for “fake news”. Unfortunately, seniority - equating as it does with “power” - all too often trails in a level of haughtiness - it seems to be a given of the human condition.

[@NeuronalAxon]

Dunning-Kruger.

[@Orf]

16:00 just said unverified source doesn’t hold as much weight (after he criticized people for asking for sources)

[@ronnastefan543]

He is a verified source. 24 ( now 30) years as a journalist.

[@JMKeynes8491]

Isn't it incredible, this spokesman for the establishment media finds it insulting that someone requests his 'source' for a news report. As a teacher I always welcomed students who made such a request. Perhaps he believes that journalists should provide news without sources, that is, news that their media bosses want produced.

[@notchagrandpa8875]

When you're reporting fake news that some CEO of a corporation hands you to publish you can't very well give your source.

[@mandapalque]

Liberals mindset.

[@rosalindmartin4469]

Moody that day. Testosterone Talking😆💪

[@rosalindmartin4469]

Do you ask your Physician which Lab processed your tests? Did they calibrate properly? Scusi.... 1) the question of source probably was launched CONTENTIOUSLY ... not as a genuine "want to know" which is what a Teacher/Student relationship should be. I am 77. Refused to teach because students are rarely LEARNING🐧🐒

[@rosalindmartin4469]

@Sasha Da Masta YOUR MISSPELLING OF "breaking" TELLS ME THAT English is not your primary language. Instant "trigger" to my brain ... "Who are you? What is your agenda? Etc." Scusi ...that is the way a human BRAIN WORKS🙉 P.S. I LIKED YOUR COMMENT👍

[@elhadjiamadoujohnson4166]

I've been following Ali for long time, and he's been always great.

[@MrBubbadon]

Then he broke his perfect record here

[@mercedesholmes7878]

One of my all time favorite Ted talks. When I was in High school, formal debate was considered a core competency skill and therefore successful participation in live debates was mandatory. I am fairly certain that there is not a single extroversion trait to be found in my gene pool, possibly crowded out by the very strong genetic propensity for Generalized Anxiety and Panic Disorder. Active participation in public debate was nothing short of torture for me and I am sure I would have avoided it at any cost had I had that option. I don't know when Public Debate was officially removed from the list of core competencies required to earn a high school diploma but I believe that doing so was a grave mistake and we are already witnessing the first negative consequences. Social platforms have expanded the opportunity to participate in meaningful, public debate for nearly every human alive, while search engines have made it possible to gather mountains of information on any subject, limited only by the individual's internet research skill set. Logic says we should be the most enlightened, least gullible population in recorded history. Why then, do we seem to be actively trying to "devolve" by rejecting well-established fact and generations of accumulated knowledge in favor of base level tribalism, willful ignorance, and a brutal "might makes right" moral code? Fear? Laziness? Stress and Sensory overload? Magnetic pole reversal? CIA mass mind control? Corporate scumbaggery? I can't shake off an uneasy feeling that our continued existence on this planet may depend on our determining who or what is responsible for the dramatic decline of personal integrity and basic human kindness and eliminating the source.

[@rosalindmartin4469]

Ah... Psychological i.e. perception + ambient socialization pressures + childhood "bred in the bone" influences ... All influence all of us. Funny how people accept tall, short, skinny, blonde, muscular, ad infinitum ... quiet, stuttering ...etc. all manner of obvious DIFFERENCES exist But deep opinions built into a POV on the world ...should be rational. Nope. Very few are trained in DEBATE and even that requires a level playing field and training. (I watch the Oxford debates online ... and Boris Johnson v Mary Beard debating Rome v Greece is quite charming👍)

[@LadyLeda2]

I don't know who or what made it responsible, but Trump made it popular.

[@jenniferdee9582]

This video came on after a real one I was watching. Fact check this guy, he's out of it.

[@hope-pp1ns]

I say all our life, we're being manipulated by everything. We hear and see what we want not the other way around.

[@jonbowman7686]

only if you let it.

[@AngryHybridApe]

All it takes for a journalist to lose all credibilty is one lie. How a network handles that situation puts its credibility on the line as well. So when I witness an incident that is clearly a lie, and the network does nothing about it, what am I supposed to think about the network? What if it happens repeatedly and nothing is done? Am I right to think that not only is the network incredibly inept, but has ulterior motives?

[@DangerDave-e7u]

Thanks, buddy. It still holds up. 🇺🇸

[@gemguy6812]

Protesters not unruly as buildings burning behind him.

[@Orf]

16:40 "Look, journalism is a serious business..."

[@heatherjones729]

Amazing. Thank you.

[@JAMAICADOCK]

Instead of just calling out conspiracy theory culture as some malign phenomena, maybe the establishment needs to ask why it's so hated? I mean there were thousands of false conspiracy theories laid at the door of the French monarchy, which, in part, we now blame the French aristocracy for bringing upon itself. That the general greed, corruption, lies, decadence and violence of the aristocracy led to fantastical speculation on behalf of its subjects. .

[@michaeldilorenzo6862]

A journalist: "In this troubled world in which we are now in...."

[@RockdawgMr]

Excellent talk. I wish they would talk more about the need for public broadcasters as the CBC as well as private for profit broadcasters. The "business" because of money and profit does not always hold power accountable. Large advertisers or companies- are they reported on with the same vigour and commitment to bear witness and speak truth to power? Bell media owns CTV and the Globe and Mail. Are negative stories about Bell going to make it into those outlets?

[@dilkry]

Awesome job as always Ali!!!

[@Orf]

14:45 You should "rely on" MSM??? "Fact-checking is becoming easier and easier bc theses fact-checking sites abound". "But how do you fight...start by using these fact-checking sites"****

[@gemguy6812]

alternative facts can be given, just simply spin the facts to adhere to your ideology.

[@owlnyc666]

There are alternative opinions, perspectives but NOT alternative facts.

[@LadyLeda2]

@@owlnyc666 Hummm...???? I will think on this. I think that Gem Guy agrees with you, he just said it in a different way. He said "spin the facts" and you said "alternative opinions" which in my mind is the same thing.

[@GladiatorSlows]

@@owlnyc666 but you can pick and choose facts and leave out the ones that don't align with your ideology. That's what the media is doing now. Covid was really revealing to me as to just how much the media is willing to spin things to try and prevent you from thinking thoughts they don't want you too think.

[@owlnyc666]

@@GladiatorSlows You can also stereotype "the media' as one monotheistic(left wing ) entity that is part of a vast Marxist Anti-American, Anti-Christian, conspiracy. Of course you are above being brainwashed by "the media". Unfortunately, I like your intellect and critical thinking skills. I have been vaccinated and gotten two booster shots.

[@Orf]

“I’m not saying you need to trust everything but…”

[@hydrus77]

Anyone sent from the flames in the background "peaceful protest" video?

[@chantellalee]

Love this. Unfortunately, there are still those that believe everything at face value. No matter how much evidence or proof you have to show that something is “fake” and still they won’t accept it.

[@gmann7082]

@Tammy - You're clueless enough to think that the Biden Crime Family news is a hoax.

[@chantellalee]

You’re funny! Like I said, there are those that will research and check facts and then there are others that will believe whatever is spoon fed to them and automatically assume it must be real. Clueless- did that make you feel better ? LOL

[@gmann7082]

@@chantellalee - 'Clueless' wasn't meant to be a pejorative, just a term of endearment. Edit: This is a fake comment.😎

[@freddygarfunkle8947]

@@gmann7082 I think she was talking about you

[@ichoosehope]

"...people in my industry *say* that their goal is to hold power to account..." No matter WHO is in power, ie: 2008-2016...didn't happen on YOUR watch. You were squelched by the Emperor.

[@CrystalCoyoteX]

Respectfully... what are you on about? Burden of proof is on you for that, cause the man fixed a recession/put people back to work, gave us a wildly popular (nationwide) healthcare framework so that your providers couldn't cheat you anymore the second you got sick after taking your $ for years and years (while simultaneously reducing medical expenses for the state, cause many things that can be tough and expensive to treat later in development are super easy to deal with when caught early, and, of note, he agrees that the subsidy could be higher to help American families), oversaw the complete pwnage + socom style teabagging of Osama Bin Ladin... And that's sort of the tip of the iceberg. So um... what? This stuff isn't horrible for you. What's your beef with the guy? :U

[@willow1385]

Blame postmodern thought!

[@jimrodgers7042]

2 minutes was just too much.

[@aDeviantType]

I understand where he’s coming from but I cannot just put that much trust in mainstream media. There’s too much bias everywhere. Plus, people with money and agenda are going to be targeting the biggest fish. On top of that, the sensationalism sells more and it’s just a smarter business move to sensationalize news so it’s hard to get anything straight forward. And that doesn’t even cover owners of these news companies saying their journalists aren’t investigators. I find it hard to trust any news source nowadays big or small and it’s feeling more and more dangerous every day I look at headlines.

[@Orf]

15:15 Sometimes it's just your eyeballs that you need

[@mieannepostadan5856]

to see is to believe

[@mugrad1988]

I bet Richard Jewell remained a big fan of mainstream news.

[@dsc4178]

This didn't age well.

[@jonbowman7686]

this aged incredibly well for people in the US

[@abdiazizadan76]

Great analysis. Good work.

[@Orf]

0:15 “ I only get my news from reliable sources” lol “sources that check vigorously

[@jonasburns7026]

Thank you Mr. Velshi

[@heatherhawkins1530]

Stop right there. I'm a journalist and I question my sources sources which can lead to uncovering lies and mistakes and trust me Gannett makes many!

[@rosalindmartin4469]

Thanks for upnote... "Can lead to uncovering...." may be an operative term here. I ask you: "Then What?"

[@Orf]

5:10 ***"Wolf will have you realizing the real news is actually fake"***

[@rachelblack314]

Cheers to Musk & free speech! 👍🇺🇸🥳

[@Orf]

5:30 Gets upset at people asking for his source!!! LOL

[@Ron_the_Skeptic]

"Alternative Facts" is not a news thing; it is however, a law thing. And, Kelly Anne is a lawyer.

[@Orf]

15:30 unverified source

[@LEO-xo9cz]

@3:30 a correction will generally only happen if people cotton into it. It is very easy to push a story knowing that it's fake. If you don't take a chance you don't move forward.

[@Orf]

5:00 when Velshi made *serious* typo, nobody accused him of lying. Says everyone knew it was his fingers

[@koenvleugel5793]

What are his sources for all of this?

[@LEO-xo9cz]

The war on fake news is an attack on critical thinking.

[@masterphotog4131]

Great analysis, thank you Ali. Keep up the good work.

[@razza-matazzguy9548]

While if you understand his background, his position here is pretty obvious. But one thing I admit I did laugh at was when he described the methodology of only needing two independent sources or one "highly placed" source as rigorous. I'd call that a very low bar to give authority to. I just don't see that being enough corroboration to convince anyone outside of a university setting.

[@t-bonesteak1502]

Isn’t this the CNN guy that said "nothing generally unruly" on air in front of burning buildings during the blm riots in Minneapolis 😂

[@Orf]

8:45 instead we are debating absolute nonsense

[@nabeelnajib5216]

The reason why there is more comment and share on fake news i because it is more interesting and usualy give what people want to hear and that is why i prefer fake news over real news (also i love how trump said fake news)

[@Orf]

6:45 “danger of asking ‘real’ journalists for sources LOL

[@ач1р]

Nah. Not my facts!

[@dataflowgeometry]

I'd like a talk on news selection as a process with a set of rules that are published by the news organization. Right now, it's a totally opaque process, which sets the conditions for infowarfare (stories are chosen based on conflict theatrical level, and which promote a producer's favored narrative).

[@GladiatorSlows]

Careful. You might get called a conspiracy theorist spittin those kind of facts.

[@psychopsyte6068]

Okay, so I was hoping for an unbiased observation, and I didn't know who this guy was at first. As he talked on and on I kept hearing the little biases in his speech. After reading the comments I realized that he is from MSNBC. Really?! So someone who is part of the problem is going to tell you what the problem is?! It's really sick.

[@Orf]

16:30 ****People will stop trusting you….”everywhere I’ve worked has of checking*****

[@canavneetsaluja]

Nice research

[@MendicantBias1]

The disadvantage of a biological mind is a foundation based on survival rather than knowledge or reason. We respond most quickly to ideas that reinforce our sense of survival and right--ness, not its merit in relation to facts divorced from anecdotal and subjective experience. Honor thy programming...

[@mans4104]

I read the coments , there is not hope for humanity with those people.

[@reubensane5539]

Oh this is rich

[@byrdma12]

If the major news networks seem biased towards liberialism, it could be because reality is biased towards liberialism. Most people in their daily lives have liberal views: do unto others, help the orphans and widows, brother's keeper, cast the first stone.I It is in the matters of politics, business and love relationships that people's ideology suddenly become conservative.

[@mickeyager7577]

Why do you view 'do unto others, help the orphans and widows, brother's keepers, and cast the first stone' as liberal views? Not only do I, as a conservative, have those views but I also live by them. Maybe, just maybe, those views don't belong to a political party but rather to good people from all walks of life!

[@Orf]

9:25 "...we report from an ivory tower..." "I get it, it's flawed

[@fatemakhatun6712]

Best wishes

[@Orf]

3:00 did he just say satire in too large quantity is fake news?

[@livelovelaugh3828]

Brillant

[@Orf]

17:55 *****JFC. THATS WHAT HAPPENED

[@psycharol]

It is hard to give the BBCant weight it lies by omission.

[@Orf]

3:10 if cnn had made mistake would have been corrected quickly and would have apologized lol

[@allinone-qz2gi]

One of the most important videos right now

[@CJFCarlsson]

nonono. Legitimate journalists so often tell people what they think of what is happening instead of what is happening, labelling, refusing to report, leaving out vital information for understanding, Like "The US attacks Berlin with bombs" if we had had the same kind of journalists in 1944 as we have today. They will then label anyone who points out that it is a war and the germans allies attacked first as racists. That is what we are dealing with now. Thank you, Karl Marx.

[@jonathanbaker247]

"What is truth?" - Pilate

[@MrJameslewis530]

You cant be that naive. You Need To Fact Check What You Say.

[@jasonhenn7345]

you can not accurately assess this question with the exclusion of one's world views- and will never be understood correctly in isolation. but will be purported as being assessed fully and understood fully.therein lays the true meaning of fake

[@Orf]

15:30 "The fact is there are fact-checking sites out there"

[@MMChoza]

I thought George Michael is still alive....Gd Mandela effect!!!

[@CherieAnnDay]

What about astroturf and propaganda? Also that the CBC is now privately funded...who profits?

[@davidpina9605]

Odd when Ali is the perpetrator of fake news routinely, from his university days to his professional paid liar days as well. Nov 23 2023 🎆

[@alexiasalazar1593]

hi my name Lexi

[@SusanBaileyAmazingEstate]

Maybe you guys shouldn't promote specific agendas so transparently. Maybe you shouldn't lie so much. That would help.

[@gab31282]

He reports for NBC! Credibility shredded.

[@mugulakikawa]

Gabriel Camarena what credibility? Stop listening to the alt-right. There’s more sources of news than American media.

[@gab31282]

He asks "Who then is going to be there to hold power to account?" Well, it certainly isn't going to be NBC or CNN. Barack Obama could do no wrong.

[@mugulakikawa]

Gabriel Camarena you’re listening to too much alt-right fake news, deliberately served to you, because you won’t search other news sources around the world.

[@xondxonderson5784]

This guy is the poster boy for fake news

[@gabrielmaroto18]

He didn’t acknowledge the reasons why people are losing faith in traditional media. He did acknowledge a Reporter refusing to ask the tough questions because they want the guest to return. He didn’t acknowledge a media outlet refusing to run a story Because it would upset the share holders. He did acknowledge that the owner of the media outlet has the final say on what is newsworthy and not the reporter. He did not acknowledge that corporations are so rich and the System is so corrupt they can purchase the media outlets to control the narrative.

[@marcinskibinski8263]

Haha you waited couple minutes there to expose your anti western bias. Times changed, we no longer trust 'experts' like you, these days we only trust our friends. And to know whos my friend i listen to my gut feeling, not 'smart' guy's elaborations. I feel Trump is my friend as he shares similar values i do, and of course every politician and journalist is biased these days, but doesn't it make sense to support someone whos bias is in your favour?

[@geoffchurchill5492]

Ali I respect you as a speaker but holding Chuck Todd up as an example of good journalism takes a lot of cherry picking, he's a large part of the reason people don't trust MSNBC (and I'm not talking about conservatives I'm talking about liberals who don't trust his journalism