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@TheSLashera2 жыл бұрын
I think people insist on tier lists because in all honestly listening to you explain things and generally giving out your opinion is the best part about you. I for one only played TK7 for a month or so and I wouldn't say I am that interested in the actual gameplay, but even after I quit I still keep coming back to your vids because your 'company' is pretty enjoyable. Personally I like your commentary / reaction videos best. But you are also not bad at Tekken either. Hehe.
@leopart76002 жыл бұрын
i think armor king could be in "great lows" since the last patch that coompletely busted his ff*2, it has become a 18f high crush counter hit launcher +7 on hit and only -14, and it can be mixed with his ff2
@skyaeris14682 жыл бұрын
ff motion makes it risky imo, hopkick beats it
@joshbeverly42902 жыл бұрын
@@skyaeris1468 ya well hopkick beats all lows
@genzo4542 жыл бұрын
@@joshbeverly4290 Not always. *Glares at Zafina b+1+2*
@dave90202 жыл бұрын
Feng is a low machine. So much so that almost 90% of Fengs start the round with a low lmao
@EggscellentTree2 жыл бұрын
If no one gonna block them , why not do them xD
@shadowofthenorthstar9892 жыл бұрын
facts lol
@chingchenghanji6432 жыл бұрын
Feels so good when his d2 hits
@Ace-tq9kr2 жыл бұрын
And most of them are launch punishable by characters with good WS punishment
@sola70992 жыл бұрын
usually it's partially since his db 3 has so much range and tracking where as a lot of his moves don't have said range + tracking (his other good tracking move is very short ranged). Since he wants to get in to employ some of his pressure its just a good way to walk in. That said, db3 is death on block.
@xLimitlesso2 жыл бұрын
If Miguel doesn't have insane lows, I don't know who does. SAV d/b3, SAV d4,3 to change the timings, d/b3 gets you point blank into SAV, d3 has great evasion and unbelievable range alongside d4s range and speed (even though it lacks evasion), and d/b4 is a great CH low. Alongside his great mids and CH tools in and out of SAV, they're insanely threatening. Not to mention that none of them are generally launch punishable.
@vaiozk15392 жыл бұрын
his meter game is also op
@chestnut15632 жыл бұрын
And his long range snek egg, it's very awkward to punish sometimes
@akdrzllol16982 жыл бұрын
I don’t think he rates them highly if the lows are locked behind stances but yeah I agree he does have insane lows
@xLimitlesso2 жыл бұрын
@@akdrzllol1698 SAV3 can be done fast enough that you don't even see any stance animation, it's really no different than hatchet. Going into SAV in neutral is pretty important for Miguel, without it he's not the same character.
@Steezeboi2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Miguel has top tier lows. Always had.
@gundamvirtue82552 жыл бұрын
the best low in the game is of course gigas because no matter what is the season, he is ALWAYS low tier honourable mention : lars
@momop7882 жыл бұрын
Yes, gigas deserves more attention
@andrei2010862 жыл бұрын
This tierlist is correct just for few characters of roster. It's obvious that TMM doesn't know most characters well and can't remember their moves.
@jkdman20072 жыл бұрын
True, every time he does this kind of tier list is all from his impressions when he plays against that character. His tier list always has strong personal opinions and feelings, rather than a solid study on every characters.
@addydiesel66272 жыл бұрын
I think TMM and his chat is good enough evidence for me. Life is too short. Study Tekken? No!
@daperdex73632 жыл бұрын
Man Miguel’s lows are so underrated.
@jonathanmaciel15562 жыл бұрын
Um dos rushdowns mais infames. Sav Db3, 23dmg, 23 de dano. +4onblock Sav d34. Low 15f confirm. 26 de dano Db3 18f +4. Low High crush. Confim 37 de dano. Aonde negan tem melhores lows que o Miguel? Meu deus
@Theterminato20132 жыл бұрын
The fact that Julia is above Alisa, Zafina and Lidia is mind boggling. Alisa’s db3, d3, Zafina’s d3 and Lidia’s hellsweep alone should be insane tier.
@candasturan45592 жыл бұрын
Julia should be one tier lower tbh. One of her few weaknesses is the fact that she doesn't have any lows that are plus on hit which effects her poking game. (Outside of f3,4) While her lows are legendary in name all her great lows are launch punishable on block. And not as abusable since war drums needs proper spacing and B&A is mostly only useful at the wall against opponents with good movement.
@ergodeus2 жыл бұрын
@@candasturan4559 like anyone is very going to duck her at the wall or anywhere for that matter... U can't even sidestep that demon. And the high crush on her lows is just the cherry on top
@Theterminato20132 жыл бұрын
@@ergodeus So you rather deal with Alisa’s, Zafina’s and Lidia’s lows? Gotcha
@ergodeus2 жыл бұрын
@@Theterminato2013 I'm a noob, I prefer the match up I know, which is asuka, the rest are all annoying af
@HumbleHurricane2 жыл бұрын
Man, I'm loving these variety of tier lists. So awesome
@therealmccoy20042 жыл бұрын
Jack belongs way up top big dawg.. DB 1 alone destroys any character in this game then his full crouch which u can use as a mix up and do WS 1 that can launch. U can also do low strings with it which u can end with a mid or option it for the low..Down 4 has lots of range and DB 2.. plus the full charge can reach at distances..
@2hot4u682 жыл бұрын
Db1 sucks. It's just fast. It does almost no damage and it doesn't launch on CH.
@BecomingYourIdeal2 жыл бұрын
@@2hot4u68 fast lows that a plus on block mixed with long range mids are a problem op is right that creates a mind game that’s hard to be plus it’s tough to step him
@2hot4u682 жыл бұрын
@@BecomingYourIdeal it doesn't even launch
@BecomingYourIdeal2 жыл бұрын
@@2hot4u68 it’s doesn’t need to launch its abusable which forces me to duck back dash or step which’s puts me in range of his reaching mids high lv tekken is conditioning not just launches and jack does that well
@paukkuvolter56152 жыл бұрын
@@BecomingYourIdeal lol I'm pretty sure db1 isn't plus, it's the crouching version that's plus Edit: yup it's minus, the stuff mccoy was listing is green rank strats, if you know the matchup the lows aren't great
@willingdealer2 жыл бұрын
How you gonna put Eddy as terrible when his whole game revolves around lows and okizeme? SS4 alone is basically invulnerable and combos into everything. Plus he’s got sidestep 1+4 plus a whole ass low stance! 1,3 from rlx is a killer
@BroNapartay2 жыл бұрын
ss1+4 is super slow due to eddies super slow sidestepping (worst in the game) and it has no range (like a bad stomp)... ss4 is ok, but doesn't crush mids and can be interrupted.
@willingdealer2 жыл бұрын
@@BroNapartay his sidestep 1+4 isnt that slow it just has short range. its not a full hellsweep but a wall killer. his moves from sidestep arent relied on the speed or distance of his step, rather the clarity of your input. they can also be buffered into or delayed. Eddy excels at hitting grounded opponents. He probably has the most moves that can hit grounded, even full grounded combos. and ss4 is rarely interrupted cuz two many moves can follow it.
@zakillah97022 жыл бұрын
Lei only has rave spin and TGR sweep? What? d+4 is good, b+4 is good, BT d+1 is good, BT d+4 is a true launcher on CL hit, PNT 1~2 is 12 frames, SNK 4,1 into TGR....
@akdrzllol16982 жыл бұрын
Man I love tier list videos 😂especially tekken ones from you bro
@ealberty6102 жыл бұрын
I think the most important part of a character's low options are their standing lows. All of Julia's and Kuni's good lows require you to be in a stance, crouching, or side stepping. Their standing lows are actually below average and that matters when the opponent is not giving you the opportunity to set up stances or crouch next to them. A good standing low game should have at least four low types: a fast low to interrupt attacks and end rounds, a high crushing low to evade jab pressure, a plus on hit low to apply pressure and, if you're lucky, an unseeable power low to break down the opponent's defense.
@ecoterrorism_liker72512 жыл бұрын
there are lows that are plus on hit?
@ealberty6102 жыл бұрын
@@ecoterrorism_liker7251 Not sure if you're being sarcastic but yes, there are many plus on hit lows. Bryan's infamous hatchet kick is +5 on hit.
@HawkOfGP2 жыл бұрын
Definitely standing lows are the most important. I think ultimately some characters from "great" should be dropped to average already just because it doesn't make sense to have more characters in "great" than average, bad and terrible tiers put together. If you are towards the bottom of this video's "great" tier, you are mathematically speaking average at best because more than half the characters have better lows.
@LordRaptor2 жыл бұрын
Feng and Julia have brutal lows, haven't played them both as much as I do in T7 since their freaking debut game because of it.
@honkhonk15762 жыл бұрын
aren't julia's lows either risky or low reward?
@JaroslavasWalherich2 жыл бұрын
Akuma should have his own tier.
@addydiesel66272 жыл бұрын
BS+ tier 🙄
@Theterminato20132 жыл бұрын
@@addydiesel6627 Hahaha, nice! 😂🤣
@fancyhermit72 жыл бұрын
Akuma's D3, definitely the best low in the game
@HoDoBoDo2 жыл бұрын
I already know that Lars, and Heihachi are in the bottom. Edit: TMM forgot about Bryan's d4 and d3+4 Edit: and d3
@fille65052 жыл бұрын
He mentioned d3 and d4, he mentioned d3+4 as a follow up with hatchet. He didn't mention b,df 4
@Reyalp-Lla2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Three of Lars' lows are launch punishable on block, but he has lows that're plus on hit (which one of those launch punishable lows is plus on hit). - 1,4 (+1 on hit, -12 on block) - d/b+1,3~d (+1 on hit, -12 on block) - d+1+2 (knockdown on normal hit, -20 on block) - f, f+4,3 or DEN 4,3 (+3 on hit, -31 on block) - FC d/f+1+2 (+1 on hit, -12 on block) - SEN 2 (+6 on hit, -12 on block) - d/b+4 (+5 on hit, -26 on block) Obviously not the best lows, but I wouldn't say he has the absolute worst lows in the game.
@naiiin69492 жыл бұрын
If they block the db1, they just duck the 3 and launch you
@Reyalp-Lla2 жыл бұрын
@@naiiin6949 I know. I'm just saying that his lows aren't that bad in my opinion.
@arielclarencetan48832 жыл бұрын
I mean it really depends what you are looking for chunky low. Bob db3 vs kazuya db4, with bob you get 18 dmg +2f on hit with ch knockdown into guaranteed damage for like 36 dmg into flip over oki vs 18 dmg low +4f on hit and +13 on ch other than that their propertys are the same. I can't really decide which one is better? Better normal hit property or better counter hit property.
@xLimitlesso2 жыл бұрын
Bob doesn't really have a great tool to keep someone from pressing after d/b3 other than movement, whereas Kazuya can keep you from moving and pressing pretty easily afterwards and also has the movement option. I guess bob can use power crush, but the reward after it isn't nearly the same as Kaz d/f2 and it's the same risk. D/f2 also stops them from moving. On CH Bob gets guaranteed damage, but Kaz can then pressure with his hellsweep mixup etc.
@jahmilly9372 жыл бұрын
Kazuyas db4 is just a horrible hit to get hit by because of his nasty option to frame trap you with df2 and if you jab trade with him he gets an easy mode perfect electric launch
@arielclarencetan48832 жыл бұрын
@@xLimitlesso hm is it still the case If bob had a 12f df4 ? I guess to get a comparable reward he needs to have Leroy's b1+2(?) To really keep people in check? But yeah i agree that he doesn't really have a tool to keep someone from mashing dick jab other than maybe ss1+2 if they are mashing. And do you think it is a buff or a nerf if kazuya's db4 to be -13 but gets free steel pedal or if it stays the same?
@xLimitlesso2 жыл бұрын
@@arielclarencetan4883 no, bobs only moves faster than i13 are highs or dick jab. If Bob presses a button other than power crush or dick jab, you win by dick jabbing. You have to force them to respect you by using your movement. Kaz db4 being -13 would be a nerf in matchups where characters have a punishment for it and the CH would be a decent buff. Realistically db4 is there to setup your counterhits and pressure, it doesn't need guaranteed damage on CH to be good since it enables your mixup on counterhits, which is Kazuya's gameplan
@arielclarencetan48832 жыл бұрын
@@xLimitlesso i know that bob doesn't have a 12f mid, i am just wondering whether it would make the move better overall if he had one.
@malachihill86772 жыл бұрын
I feel eddy could be in average. While his combo lows can be punished, he has some really good safe poking lows.
@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox2 жыл бұрын
They're not that good tbh. D4 and db2 which is his fast lows are both launch on block and both very minus on hit. Df4 are kinda his stature kick but it's very linear and -14 on block and also minus on hit. His only decent low is d3~4 which is actually plus on hit but it's kinda slow. It was good in tag 2 cuz it couldn't be low parried but in tekken 7 it's pretty average.
@AtaIarion2 жыл бұрын
@@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox sidestep 4 is safe
@willingdealer2 жыл бұрын
Eddy is beyond average when it comes to lows. he's got like ten very good low pokes . has slippery kicks that can be buffered into from ss4, plus he has crouching df4 thats basically an infinite
@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox2 жыл бұрын
@@AtaIarion sidestep 4 second hit is safe. If you block both hits it's -11. How many lows in the game are turned into 2 where you can actually still block half of it even if you get hit that's incredibly bad for eddy
@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox2 жыл бұрын
@@willingdealer FC df4 leads to a float so if u block it u get a massive punish. The slippery kicks from ss4 is reactable even if you get hit by the first hit of ss4, making it completely useless. Have you ever seen an eddy in tournament even attempt that? The rest of the lows I already talked about in my initial answer so no he doesn't have "like ten very good low pokes"
@christoferprestipino74332 жыл бұрын
The mids matter, if a character has the best lows in the game, and NO mids, those lows mean nothing.
@BecomingYourIdeal2 жыл бұрын
Who in the game fits this criteria?
@shmshare38682 жыл бұрын
@@BecomingYourIdeal devil Jin maybe? He doesn't have power mids.
@BecomingYourIdeal2 жыл бұрын
@@shmshare3868 I wouldn’t say dvj he has u4 uf4 ff2 df1 with extension ws1 with extensions
@gdwyvern40162 жыл бұрын
@@BecomingYourIdeal Anna has great highs and lows but as for mids she's severely lacking besides df1.
@christoferprestipino74332 жыл бұрын
@@BecomingYourIdeal I’m using the example to illustrate a point, mids impact lows. So in practical terms, B level lows, plus S level mids, gives you A level lows overall. Alternatively, A level lows and C rank mids gives you B level lows overall.
@gg.no.re.2 жыл бұрын
the fact that Josie isn't in terrible tier and Xioayu isn't in top tier is mind boggling lol.
@crazy911wman2 жыл бұрын
Wtf are you talking about. Josie is a spamming god. Super hard to read if its a low or not. Xiauyu has rage drive that tarts with low
@SiegfriedDrachentoeter2 жыл бұрын
The fact that Claudio and Zafina are in the same tier is insane to me.
@gg.no.re.2 жыл бұрын
@@crazy911wman lmao maybe in low ranks but once people actually are aware of how she plays you don’t get away with that sort of stuff. Her lows are possibly the worst in the entire game. Xiaoyu has plus on hit lows, fast lows, low from stance, launchers, homing and even virtually safe lows.. she has possibly the best lows in the game without even counting her RD
@crazy911wman2 жыл бұрын
@@gg.no.re. yeah how many people are aware of that? 5? And how many people in the world play her? 10? Lol
@gg.no.re.2 жыл бұрын
@@crazy911wman aware of what? I’m saying things that are pretty common knowledge to most players lol. Just because you don’t know it doesn’t mean a large chunk of the players in higher ranks don’t
@nameputhpong90412 жыл бұрын
Josie deserves Great Lows tier. [CD+3] is awesome. She got [d+3,4] a low-mid poke that leads into stance. [3,2], [df+3,2] and [df+1,2] that leads into CD mixup, as well as being able to go into CD mixup from her Switch Stance.
@lucascroissant8332 жыл бұрын
Josie d4 is enough to make her go in insane lows
@fizkun-my85552 жыл бұрын
@@lucascroissant833 Indeed, it is one of the best low in the game because it tracks both side. it's literally unsidestepable although inexchange for that craziness cost her d4 dealing very low dmg.
@TON-wi7oz2 жыл бұрын
The problem is Mainman is not a fan of Josie
@lucascroissant8332 жыл бұрын
@@fizkun-my8555 And it's -10 for the cherry on top all that property for one low
@michaelpohl90772 жыл бұрын
She is a fockin monkey imo. Since her mids are so fast and dangerous you have to be hit by those chunky lows to prevent hefty damage. Basically her CD 3 on hit gives her another free low in theory. Gorilla character
@slipperyman60342 жыл бұрын
I think jack goes straight to insane lows. Db1 and fcdb1 are straight up the best low pokes in the game, and are main the reason the character works. A 12 frame low, long range, above average damage, +2 and only -12?? And the fullcrouch version does more damage, is +6, highcrushes annd is SAFE? Yeah, if you were to put db1 on heihachi you would have a godtier character lol
@therealmccoy20042 жыл бұрын
I said the same!! Don't forget down 4 which has alot of range and DB 2 plus the full charge with it..which has mad range also
@2hot4u682 жыл бұрын
Db1 sucks bro. It's fast but it does no damage and doesn't even launch on CH
@uphxrium2 жыл бұрын
@@2hot4u68 safe low that’s +6 and high crushes…sounds terrible🤣
@2hot4u682 жыл бұрын
@@uphxrium it needs to launch. If Bryan and fengs snake edge were as fast as Jack's db1, THEN we'll be talking.
@uphxrium2 жыл бұрын
@@2hot4u68 just because it doesn’t launch it’s no less of an insane low. All Jack needs to do at the wall is hit you with one FC Db1 and ur already at -6. a safe low is hard to come by, but with the properties it has it really is more viable than any of the lows you mentioned
@lugit362 жыл бұрын
I love these tier list videos!
@NeutralReacts2 жыл бұрын
lmfao the song at 16:54 had me dying xd
@Enty942 жыл бұрын
It offends me that you think bears have great lows.
@ankit126815692 жыл бұрын
Your picture alone makes this comment hilarious
@atuls552 жыл бұрын
Lee's only stand out low is great on CH but otherwise does nothing for being launch punishable and his other lows aren't great. There's no real damage or plus frames. Kazumi is no way that good, many of the characters below her on that tier are better especially Hwoarang (one of the best lows in the game), Zafina and Leo. I don't think Lars is that bad. His db4 high crushes, CH launches, good + frames on hit and tracks well.
@naiiin69492 жыл бұрын
Yeah but lars doesn't really have a low poke. Db4 is like what -26 or smth?
@atuls552 жыл бұрын
@@naiiin6949 I know but I just think he has something in that db4 does a number of things despite being risky. Yes his problems though are the lack of a decent low poke and every low being really punishable.
@AKTalal2 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about hwos d34?
@naiiin69492 жыл бұрын
@@atuls55 i can see your point, but in my opinion you just can't say a character has good or even average lows, when he gambles with his life every single time and doesn't even get anything on a normal hit (that goes for pretty much every one of his lows, not just db4)
@atuls552 жыл бұрын
@@naiiin6949 He does get +5 and force crouch on normal hit db4. I think Claudio is kind of in a similar situation. He has SS4 but he has to SS to access that whereas Lars has to crouch to access FC 1+2.
@markosmerkouris91112 жыл бұрын
About Heihachi : "he's designed to have bad lows since he has the best mids" Leroy enters the chat:"Hold my beer,I've got everything,even the best parries in the game"...talking about balancing and sh*t
@awaisakram85732 жыл бұрын
Paul demoman isn’t a hellsweep, it’s never a mixup unless they’re at the wall and will get punished if you’re not right on their face.
@basuka932 жыл бұрын
D3,4 🌚
@DeLaCruz8782 жыл бұрын
DJ db,2 is the best low - puts you in a vortex with little risk.
@genzo4542 жыл бұрын
But it is quite slow and telegraphed (i22), to the point where I can sometimes see it on a good connection.
@Zekrombest2 жыл бұрын
Slow at i22. Only 1f faster than Hei db2 which some people already react to
@Str8OuttaBostonTK2 жыл бұрын
Dragunov has one good low D2. Which can work against him. People know D2 will come out eventually that’s the only low to worry about. For example wr2 and d2 will probably come out. All his other lows are garbage or average. His snake edge is can be block on reaction and the mixup grab can be hop kick to stop both options. I’d say Dragonov has average lows. Keywords “great lows” he has only one great low lol.
@SalvadorSTMZ2 жыл бұрын
Yeah and its +0 on HIT. Meaning your opponent can just trade with you every time OR just sidestep after it connects.
@kato0932 жыл бұрын
Scrupman bias. I bet he put lee at the top and kazuya at the mid.
@Richardk-ps7tj2 жыл бұрын
@@kato093 are we watching 2 different videos? He put kazuya above lee
@kato0932 жыл бұрын
@@Richardk-ps7tj i commented before watching the video dude lol. That was pretty obvious. Still, he downplayed kazuya and was forced by chat to put kazuya that high. He was already going "yeah but kazuya doesnt have good mids..." lmao. If there was no chat he would have put kazuya lower...damn..what a shame.
@atuls552 жыл бұрын
You only need one good low and Dragunov's d2 is great and just does so many good things. One of the best lows in the game.
@Tomi-20422 жыл бұрын
Kings lows: df+4= -14 on block, -3 on hit f.f N 2 = -14 on block, +1 on hit d+3= -12 on block, +1 on hit db+3= -16 on block, +2oc on hit (highcrush) db+4= -20rc on block, knd(-3) (low/highcrush) FC df+1= -12 on block, launcher (highcrush) Kings lows are bad but he has best throws in the game.
@NeONeC2 жыл бұрын
King got f$--$king low hit stun! I hate that his opinion... And his throws of course)
@Pomegrenade2 жыл бұрын
@Tomi db+3 doesn't high crush fast enough. It isn't even high crush actually, it just evades highs after King goes very low. For something to be high "crush", the hurtbox should be disabled entirely when you do that move, which doesn't happen to this low. How do I know? I have gotten counter hit with highs when doing this low. db+4, again, doesn't high crush. It evades highs at a certain point(first couple frames or so) and crushes lows. How do I know? Again, I have gotten hit with highs while doing it. FC df+1 or CD+1 is the ONLY actual high crush low. This one actually high crushes by disabling the hurtbox and does it very fast, as soon as you enter the command. D+4 is the best King low poke, which you didn't mention, maybe because it is not specific to King alone. King deserves to be in "Bad lows" category while as Armor King deserves to be in "Great lows" for his homing db+3(+5 on hit, launch on CH), d+3(+9 on CH) and ffn2(+7 on hit and launch on CH) alone.✌🏼
@Tomi-20422 жыл бұрын
@@Pomegrenade db+3 is a highcrush (frame data says it crushes highs at i10). It is slow crush but it crushes highs. db+4 is high and low crush (crushes highs at i6 and crushes lows at i16). f,f N 2 also highcrushes at i6 (I didn't wrote that in my first comment). About d+4 that also highcrushes I would say I partialy agree. I think d+3 is better beacuse it gives me +1 on hit and it is safer at -12. On the other hand d+4 is faster and it highcrushes but it is -13 on block, -2 on hit and King is in Crouch state. I also didn't mention d+3+4 of FC df+4 (Ali Kick) -25 on block, -9 on hit. It comes out fast and low crushes but I would not use this as a poke but more like a round ender beacuse it has good range (it can be mixed with follow ups like 2 Ali kicks or the mid) Note: THIS IS NOT A POKING TOOL 😂
@Tomi-20422 жыл бұрын
@@Pomegrenade I didn't mention CH properties. Kings db+3 has worse advantige on hit but he also launches on CH. (Kings db+3 is faster and less risky at -16 and AK is slower and staggers on block) f,f N 2 I agree A. King does it better on normal hit and CH. AK d+3 is same on normal hit but you are right about CH. AK d+4 good beacuse it has range and it is -13 on block (FC d+4 is -15 tho) I would not say that AK has insane lows but he has better lows than King, so maybe Averege lows? Armor King is 2nd best Grappler in the game.
@Pomegrenade2 жыл бұрын
@@Tomi-2042 You are right. I just deeply researched upon in it practice mode. Db+3 is a high crush at frame 10. Db+4 is high crush at frame 6 and low crush at frame 16. Ff n 2 is a high crush at frame 6. About d+3 vs d+4, it all depends upon what your opponent does when they get hit with those or block those. +1 on hit is not much to do anything except for a jab, grab or duck punch but, sadly, that's all we get, so, yeah. I personally prefer d+4 because when used rightly, it almost always scores a hit, while as d+3 has very high chances of getting counter-hit with moves like b+1, magic 4s, etc. I would very much prefer not to get slapped with a b+1 for trying to do a slow low poke that gives me just +1 on hit and CH, thank you. Let's not talk about the staggering kicks. ✌🏼🤣
@1991jj2 жыл бұрын
Ive heard a few Pakistani Tekken elites say they think Marduks d3 is the best low in the game.
@arielclarencetan48832 жыл бұрын
I mean i kinda agree with that , I don't think i know a 16f low with this much damage,tracking,range,ground hitting property and safety. The only drawback is that it is -1 on hit.But even then if the opponent press ,because marduk has a great backdash, you get a very easy whiff trap set up here.
@1991jj2 жыл бұрын
@@arielclarencetan4883 yeah I mean obviously Akumas low is insane. But like its so broken I don't even consider it part of the conversation of conventional lows. Its so stupid. But if we are talking about conventional lows that don't turn into a death combo or some other goofy ish then Marduk might have top 3 lows in the game in d3. Damage is off the chart, hits grounded, great range, its unseeable etc
@impressivestory2 жыл бұрын
I’d say the most terrible low was when we realized that they had 100% embraced pay to win as a dlc strategy….
@Demon_Aura2 жыл бұрын
Jack db1, FC db1 d4 and rage drive. Apart for db1 everything is safe, making you force to low parry which is very hard if you continusly change your timing. Absolutely top on the top tier.
@resistpen65822 жыл бұрын
Claudio in great lows tier?!!! Omg the entire character is built around no lows. His lows are negative on hit, slow to come out and at best are mediocre, his D2,2 with SB is not launch-able but it is slow and not a combo in itself.
@Shibu_PL2 жыл бұрын
AK's lows are much better than Kings
@alialmutawa24052 жыл бұрын
Asuka is AVERAGE!!? i am sure TMM did play her enough. Arslan Ash said she has some of the worst low in the game.
@hyunchong022 жыл бұрын
I agree Asuka is below average with exception to d 1+2 which is annoying, but Arlsan also says Feng Wei isnt viable because he cant react to all his lows(he isn't lying). Arslan's opinion isn't applicable to everyone.
@alialmutawa24052 жыл бұрын
@@hyunchong02 you are correct, arslan ash is in the pro level, but I think TMM is ranking the character for high and pro level players. I think d1+2 could be good as a move but not when it's with asuka. It has no range nor tracking, and the follow-up is not reliable. When playing asuka you need to be in range two or three, being a train zero does not tell her at all. The way I see it it could be counted as a hell sweep, but it's the worst one. However that's my own opinion that doesn't count anywhere 😅
@Jugdjay2 жыл бұрын
I just want to point out something about Miguel's SAV d4,3 as I never see anyone online punish it properly when they block it. SAV d4,3 is a Low, Mid string, a natural combo and it deals more damage than SAV db3 (thanks to the recurring damage buffs it got). You can stay into Savage after this move. However the frames almost always put Miguel at a disadvantage. On hit the Low is -3 and the Mid is -2. The Miguel player hardly can go on with his pressure since he could be interrupted by a jab. On block the Low is -14 and the Mid is -15. Both are launch punishable if they're blocked.
@osterreichbergelifting45622 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Heihachis lows are s tier (Do I even need to write the kappa?)
@kaiman30892 жыл бұрын
Yes you need to write
@DeLaCruz8782 жыл бұрын
there very strong, nowhere near bottom atleast
@nine56932 жыл бұрын
db2 would be good, in a game where characters coudn't 80% in a WS staple
@2hot4u682 жыл бұрын
They need to make Bryan and fengs snake edge to be as fast as Jack's db1, THEN we'll have some good lows
@pyscho862 жыл бұрын
if u have strong lows but weak mids u get ducked/lowparryed very often, which makes the lows alot weaker. Akuma ofc first place without even thinking about it :D i Would think about who wins games because of lows. Hwo for sure (he needs to be at insane) Bryan for sure Geese oh yes Kazuya oh yes Feng yo
@GEORGIOSMGEORGIADIS42 жыл бұрын
After the last video regarding tier lists I was thinking about that! 😀 Without watching and from my meager experience I'm guessing Nina, Kazuya, D Jin, Bryan, Lidia and Feng 😂
@yesok25222 жыл бұрын
As for Chloe's ss4, it's kinda like Lee's d3, yes it's launchable, but nobody ever really launches it. Same with as hopkick. Lots of fake safety.
@caffeholictj17082 жыл бұрын
Wall travel tier list please 😁😎 or comeback potential tierlist
@megadethfist2 жыл бұрын
Tier lists are all about subjectivity and thesis statements. That being said I think Heihachi’s lows have gotten buffed enough to not call them terrible. +8 on hit hellsweep, or into a safe 50/50 if they want, isn’t terrible by any stretch. They also gave him his FCdf2 > ff2 back, which perfectly suits the oki game in T7. If it was season 1 then yeah, Hei’s lows are dog crap
@papyrus1352 жыл бұрын
i mean having to do a launch punishable low to get plus frames on any low is just bad in its own, the mixup after can only occur if u land the hellsweep, d4 does no damage, db3 launch punishable, db 2 react-able and launch punishable
@nameputhpong90412 жыл бұрын
@@papyrus135 imma have to agree with this guy, hei’s hellsweep has the same downsides as the other mishimas, which is getting rekt upon block punish, but not the same reward. I mean a pinch of dmg and +8 or a lukewarm 50/50 has got nothing compared to a hellsweep into a vortex or a hellsweep into wall carry into wall combo and lose half your health. This alone really makes Hei’s low game feel bare and lackluster. My opinion of course, i’m no hei main.
@megadethfist2 жыл бұрын
@@nameputhpong9041 Tbh it’s not that lukewarm. Any low launcher that’s only -10 OB should at least be noted. Not to mention in an online setting too. The devs have been remedial towards lots of characters’ weaknesses and this doesn’t feel like any exception to me. They’ve buffed his lows multiple times. Thanks for sharing your opinion, we don’t have to agree it’s just nice to discuss
@mrastronomical672 жыл бұрын
You tripped with Bryan , great lows he has .. insane is an exaggeration. And then you put Lei and Negan BENEATH him? The execution for hatchet and the fact that it's super Interrupteable was ignored.
@mrastronomical672 жыл бұрын
And the fact that most the Cast is faster than him... In high level I get it but rookies can hardly get Hatchet right. Imo
@i_Inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
geese lows?? wdym bro? he has some good ones but they’re not insane
@thoraero2 жыл бұрын
Respecfully disagree. Low main function is to break the opponent defense. Which low of Lee serves that function well? d3 is for CH. Sliding is seeable. Sway 4 is predictable. db3, db3+4 are risky for meager reward. FC4 is for defensive keepout. HMS 4 is both predictable and seeable. d4 string is but a gimmick. I could even argue that the generic db4 (d4 for others) is Lee's best viable low.
@GodHandIzz2 жыл бұрын
Right, i was like wtf is Lee doing that High. His only "Great low " would be db 3. wich isn't great enough to put him this high.
@thoraero2 жыл бұрын
@@GodHandIzz Against opponents without i13 ws launcher, db3 to me is like "fine if this is the best option I have at the situation." i20 move with poor range, poor tracking, no crushing, only for the reward of +2 on hit can hardly be worth anything. I'd rather try spacing and do db3+4 from afar for +5 (mix it up with 1+2).
@theultimategamer952 жыл бұрын
I feel like Law should be in insane. You can literaly just spam Dragon Tail to win.
@wavvvy94772 жыл бұрын
Honesty busted
@jonathanharwood12552 жыл бұрын
Actually, you can't. How are you getting hit with that move over and over again?
@wavvvy94772 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanharwood1255 cos it’s way too fast
@crazy911wman2 жыл бұрын
Nah. Works only till blue ranks
@tetrahedron49902 жыл бұрын
blue rank mindset
@mccollio0909 Жыл бұрын
I've watched this clip a few times, when I decide to try out a new main. To this day, it's still Main man's most inaccurate tier list. Miguel got a ten second inspection and should be in insane lows, or at the very least, above Dragunov.
@-ShiraZen-2 жыл бұрын
Heihachi has unblockable lows because nobody ever ducks him. S+ tier.
@anna__man11352 жыл бұрын
How about a TTT2 Tierlist? 🙈
@rudyragner13222 жыл бұрын
No
@zydanezydedelicana65972 жыл бұрын
No
@Kenlac922 жыл бұрын
Just gonfind one the games mad old lol
@Jose-xm3tq2 жыл бұрын
@@GTJD111 Who cares.. While ago he was talking about old tekken characters..
@Kenlac922 жыл бұрын
@@Jose-xm3tq yes but he revisits old games for their history. Theres no point in talking about a tag2 tier list when tons of them already exist
@CaptainYesz2 жыл бұрын
Josie's lows are good and annoying but the biggest ones are FC df4 and cd3. Not sure where that puts her tierlist but... d4 is worth mentioning, +1oh +6ch, super amazing i15 tool to mixup the mids in her kit
@THENAMEISQUICKMAN2 жыл бұрын
as a Kazuya main I am so fucking irritated by the fact that hellsweep is really hard to do on pad
@DmadPs2 жыл бұрын
Is it? I find it easier on pad, and on stick hard, but im a pad player
@quekZo952 жыл бұрын
@@DmadPs its all practice my guys. You are doing something wrong. Practice it slow and analyse your inputs. Think about the input and find out your wrong input. It's not hard at all and I'm a stick player for years but can do it on keyboard and pad too
@TheBlazingshinobi2 жыл бұрын
I main Armor King on ps4, who's got the same motion inputs in some of his key moves, and although I didn't start incorporating them in my gameplay until like mentor rank, the motion input never felt that hard honestly. You can do it my guy, it's just forward -> down/forward+circle, keep trying and you'll soon get it everytime no sweat
@LUKADAWGG2 жыл бұрын
Just play keyboard you can play any mishima
@THENAMEISQUICKMAN2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBlazingshinobi "it's just forward down/forward" yeah dude i think i'm aware of that thanks for the expert knowledge the problem is PS4 dpads fucking suck
@pivorsc2 жыл бұрын
No matter the Tier List, Lars always on the bottom, dear lord..
@shadowofthenorthstar9892 жыл бұрын
shows you how bad he is
@guitarhero6612 жыл бұрын
Wall carry tier list he’s in s+
@victorfranca852 жыл бұрын
this has potential.
@twannadim74132 жыл бұрын
Kazuya lows are up there with devil Jin
@Zekrombest2 жыл бұрын
Better imo
@kaschmonet2 жыл бұрын
Best Parries??
@djfinesse12 жыл бұрын
The community needs a jab tier list. I've searched high and low and can't find one
@adamusso_tk2 жыл бұрын
I would not put Lars in Terrible tier, he has so many of them and can be well utilized in online environment. Heihachis db2 is also abusable online
@zuzuzip45332 жыл бұрын
Mainman ! movement tierlist next
@EternalSilverDragon2 жыл бұрын
Just here to point out that 60% of the cast are above average.
@HawkOfGP2 жыл бұрын
A very common issue in most tier lists!
@Toph00002 жыл бұрын
this tier list is painfully incorrect lol
@welsh_steel22852 жыл бұрын
It pains you to see a tier list that is fairly accurate in determining characters who get pressure and damage from applying lows?
@felipez31152 жыл бұрын
I disagree.
@SiegfriedDrachentoeter2 жыл бұрын
@@welsh_steel2285 Some are rather off to me. Zafina should be in insane tier e.g. and claudio cant scare anyone into ducking. Bears have garbage lows and alisas chainsaws shouldnt be average.
@welsh_steel22852 жыл бұрын
@@SiegfriedDrachentoeter bears have a realible long range poke with df+2 and half circle 2 into low/mid mixup and a close range hellsweep. Claudio I don't have much experience on but he has a low launcher that doesn't require CH that isn't as easy to read as say a Snake Edge. Alisa I'd say is average, her only meaningful low is her staple d3 and to mix you up with shoe shine which doesn't provide anything more on CH.
@retardedweeb73232 жыл бұрын
@@welsh_steel2285 Claudio's STB d2 2 is reactable and predictabo af. Almost useless against players that know even a bit about Claudio. His ss4 is super good tho, but he has only that basically
@since21332 жыл бұрын
Anna and Yoshi for me. They have a lot of lows
@TheRedShogun2 жыл бұрын
У Нигана плохие лоу - они медленные, их мало и они очень предсказуемые. К тому же, нет гарантированного лоу комбо
@NeONeC2 жыл бұрын
Да забей он говорит что у Дзина якобы лучше Лоу, чем у Асуки... Да-да блин с её фулл-крауч игрой, отменами Лоу хита, захватом через лоу на контрхите. Стоя может дать лоу! с гарантией! . У неё фишка - Leg Cutter. В которые можно заходить и выходить в них. Ещё удар Secret blade... Тоже лоу на фул комбо, который можно также ввязать в простое комбо. Плюс falling rain... Захват из крауча на фул комбо..... А что он назвал 2 удара?)))
@NeONeC2 жыл бұрын
Согласен у Нигана отвратительные лоу. Предсказуемые из-за его высоты... Единственное что там фреймтрап есть один... Часто на него ловят, думаю это лоу, а это мид лаунчер. Хейхачи.... Плохие лоу... Ну ну.. Этот черт с прыжка даёт лоу удар с гарантией. Мне ещё Пола не нравятся лоу удары... Типа его сильная сторона в плюсовых ударах и сильным прессингом. Из защиты трудно выйти, а выйдешь неправильно получишь пару дэд фистов и ггвп.... Ещё у Джека плохие лоу.. Тоже медленные и предсказуемые... Вот миды у него крутые, но уж точно не лоу......... Ёши в одном ряду с мардуком...... Просто рука-лицо
@TheRedShogun2 жыл бұрын
@@NeONeC +++, а у йоши там вообще анблокбл лоу есть и это пипец, особенно когда его не ждёшь. Хахачи - зверь
@blackd32132 жыл бұрын
странно что тут есть кометы на русском )))
@happypill61952 жыл бұрын
i love tekken so many characters
@DeLaCruz8782 жыл бұрын
Lars db,1 into full crouch is good imo
@pfuze_57752 жыл бұрын
That move is terrible and I'm a lars main
@shadowofthenorthstar9892 жыл бұрын
db,1 is mid
@DeLaCruz8782 жыл бұрын
@@pfuze_5775 The move ain't great but it puts Lars in crouch which still a dangerous setup.
@Not_J_694202 жыл бұрын
Akuma's lows have made me rage quit multiple times
@oreowithurea50182 жыл бұрын
Isn't Bryan supposed to open up his opponent by his Taunt and string mixups, why he's at the top? Jesus
@thelegion47992 жыл бұрын
Qcb3 qcb3 qcb3 qcb3 orbital qcb3
@felipez31152 жыл бұрын
And why you need taunt do do lows? What?
@NikFlyer2 жыл бұрын
Tekken has infinite tier list content source it seems.
@Cezkarma Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how Bryan's hatchet kick was enough to put him in "insane lows" but AK's f,f,n+2 wasn't. It's an unseeable, CH launcher, +7 on regular hit, -14 on block low that can be used during wavu pressure or just general approach. Imo it's top 3 lows in the game, on behind Akuma d3 Fen d/b+3.
@thondush Жыл бұрын
That low is pretty broken, but Bryan's hatchet kick is probably better because of the fullscreen range and being only -13 (most character can't launch him), but it doesn't end with hatchet kick, he also some other crazy good lows, like db3, d3 or d4
@Aurongroove2 жыл бұрын
Too many characters in “Insane” and “Great”. The word ‘Average’ should not mean bottom 20.
@GCHelpMe2 жыл бұрын
up next, best wall combos
@RabidMonkey27512 жыл бұрын
Kuni is an odd char to place, from standing her lows are pretty meh but her lows from FC and BT are pretty damn strong. I'd say strong lows if she is constantly able to get in BT but if you don't let her do that her lows are just meh
@jizojeyg67922 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't even say that they are "meh" from standing. There are literally the worst in the game free and it's okay because that's how the character is designed
@dioune322 жыл бұрын
@@jizojeyg6792 IDK db4 is okay-ish as a poke and has good CH properties, nothing great but decent.
@farhantraggar8878 Жыл бұрын
Big Fan From Pakistan. Please talk about low moves safe on block like jack7 d,db1.
@mazukai65252 жыл бұрын
The fact that a boxer has better lows than heihachi and lars is pretty funny ngl
@c.s.balaji86912 жыл бұрын
Rox dragon knee picks paul as a main and he won the title playing against Anakin jack-7 in tekken world tour.
Dragunovs has a low launcher that can turn into a throw , should make him above Bryan
@polikys933511 ай бұрын
Lol
@derekstephens15292 жыл бұрын
Im killing them with heihachi lows swe!! Damn! Nobody knows... 😆
@berdugong-druglordmanyakis16082 жыл бұрын
Xiaoyu and Zafina should be #1 mang.. wtf!!!
@duggadugga24202 жыл бұрын
Hardly play Tekken anymore, every now and then I'll watch a tmm tier list, every time I'm gobsmacked at the bad decisions. Jack not in insane??! Eliza in average??? She literally doesn't have a single low that can't be launch punished
@pr0digy1412 жыл бұрын
Maybe do a tierlist on df 1 next?
@Delta_Angel Жыл бұрын
How is Ling not top 10 when is comes to lows? Can someone explain this to me?
@CephlonMayngrum2 жыл бұрын
Fengs are easy to beat because he has so many good lows. Players tend to attack low more
@tacitozetticci93082 жыл бұрын
Sir Mainman, you should watch some LoL cinematics. It's extremely high quality stuff, and you'll get a clearer idea of what Project L characters are going to look like. I've just watched "The Call", the latest cinematic they uploaded a couple of hours ago so I thought about this channel. So yeah that's potentially a whole new series, really a ton of material there (and it's good stuff, not like their game llmmaaoo)
@ICEMAN-Z82 жыл бұрын
Hwoarang lows : D34 Need no introduction, +14 on hit natural combo, +8 on block. SS 4 +5 on hit, -13 on block. db3 0 on hit, -13 on block. LFS db4 +4 on hit, -13 on block. Back turn d3 CH and i dont know the frames. Both sides snake edge useless slow launch punishable. I think hwo has some of the best lows in the game.
@Anivrat12 жыл бұрын
Well yes but no The thing is -12 while standing punish is very weak but Characters have very very strong 13 frame while standing punishes.Often launching or round changing.He needs atleast one + on hit and -12 on block low.
@ICEMAN-Z82 жыл бұрын
@@Anivrat1 i think his RFF d4 is -12 and its +5 on hit that one I didn’t mention
@shubhamthakur85302 жыл бұрын
@@ICEMAN-Z8 it's also behind a stance and has terrible range
@ICEMAN-Z82 жыл бұрын
@@shubhamthakur8530 u seem to know Hwoarang well brother 😊
@shubhamthakur85302 жыл бұрын
@@ICEMAN-Z8 Don't we all 😉
@derekstephens15292 жыл бұрын
Heihachi repressed the devil gene... That's why Tekken 7. Give Heihachi some credit. Swe thinks low tier Heihachi... Second time I've seen you do it. He is a solid choice...
@Scentwizardae2 жыл бұрын
miguel n eddy shud swap places....Miguel has trash lows, and eddy just plays lows in his gameplan... fahk has insane lows...
@aconglomerador_de_hienas242 жыл бұрын
"Lars is great now bro trust me"
@matex22072 жыл бұрын
Lei's d4 is one of the best lows in the game, super fast and neutral on hit, also floats people out of grounded stances, also strong tracking.
@Ace-tq9kr2 жыл бұрын
How is this good? It doesnt have any crushing so its counterhit bait. The damage is low... its neutral on hit so nobody has an advantage... you have to threaten with the last hit which is launch punishable. And i repeat the damage is super low.
@Chemik-yh8zs2 жыл бұрын
Kazuya.....sure 😅😅😅
@tatatanae45322 жыл бұрын
There is no oki tierlist anywhere!!
@bluemonk94802 жыл бұрын
Ganryu df3 is quite literally top 3 low in the game