Tekken 7 to Tekken 8 Changes - Marshall Law

[@Goteiii]

Great video! A few inputs T7 dss f1 is - 14. Don't know the frame data in T8 db3 has been nerfed a bit. It's probably - 13 ob because I got consistently launched by Kazuya's twin pistons after getting this blocked His ss3+4 is hella buffed. It still goes straight to screw like T7 but since screw is no longer the combo extending mechanic it counts as a full launch for 75+ damage. Why this matters? Because it has longer range and more wall travel than ss df2 or ss uf4. It kind of makes up for the 3+4,4 nerf for whiff punishment His poison arrow (f2~1) now goes to dss, launches on CH and leaves the opponent close on block making it a great pressure tool. His new ss2 (replaced) f1+4 actually evades stuff rather than "looks like it evades stuff" I don't know the frame data on block though. Last one, (don't take my word for this, there's a possibility that's my own impression and not a fact) feels like ws1,2 is more confirmable than it used to be.

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

Thanks for the input! Great stuff here. The DSS f+1 being -18 thing is me responding to a comment about ff+3. It's definitely less than -10 now though since jabs can't even punish anymore. Great buff overall. I didn't mess around with it much, but the SS+3+4 buff sounds interesting! Reminds me of how Law would whiff punish in earlier games. I also found ff+2 to f+2~1 pretty effective as a pressure tool. Gives some utility to the ff+2,1,3 string too for people who want to interrupt it. Yeah I also got db+3 launched by Kaz a few times, so it's at least -13 now. Good catch!

[@Goteiii]

@@ThatBlastedSalami Happy to share! Many people, myself included, have learned so much thanks to your content! Keep up the good work!

[@YaGirlGumption]

This is everything I love about the Tekken community in three posts.

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

Forgot to mention the new transition from ff+2 into Poison Arrow (f+2~1). Surprisingly decent coming from a string and is still a plus on block mid that now does chip damage.

[@srinivasanrajagopalan6144]

This is also safe on block

[@srinivasanrajagopalan6144]

Few change ive seen are his flip kick changes, some of them are safe like double flip kicks His back turned low is no longer a launcher on counter hit Oki game is much better thanks to new knunchuck move which hits grounded.

[@tiger-rgn]

@@srinivasanrajagopalan6144 safe? i think they are -14

[@tiger-rgn]

its + on block, but not as + as poison arrow used to be (+4)

[@chidori7234]

I like how, on the same day, I watched TMM on stream live, heartbroken about how they made DSS and slide kick baby mode easy and he went to explain how it stifles player expression and how any Law player can do it now etc etc. And them I hop on to Arya's stream, who was also live. I asked him about what does he think about DSS and slide being easy and he's like "who cares lol. Law players don't care about this shit". Really goes to show how everyone's divided on these new changes as Tekken 8 is headed for a different direction...

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

I mean, I'm sure some Law players do, but I don't :)

[@Peter-the-Angry]

I'm a law player since tekken 3. Law has changed significantly since then so I dont see what the issue is. Ridiculous that law isnt "good" because you cant DSS cancel from wr 4. Forrest in TTT2 didnt wven have DSS and he was a very strong character. It's a different game, T8 law looks very good. Better mix ups and versatility.

[@nubesock5231]

Thanks for doing these videos sir. Appreciate it greatly.

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

Pleasure! Glad you like them.

[@XiaoGege]

I'm gonna miss Law's "WATAAAH!!!" with the counter hit of his old f+3, the unique hit animation of his ws+1,2 back in Tekken 6 and Tag 2, and his DSS 1+2 Sabaki parry (became a Power Crush in Tekken 7).

[@robertgeorge4602]

Great video series. Interesting to see the changes on a character level. Despite the push toward aggression and mix, I hope there are characters who can shut down this offense at high levels of play. Seems weird, but it would be nice for there still to be characters who fill that super defensive, low risk/interaction niche that I enjoy from time to time. Too much unga gets stale and frustrating.

[@SamudroEntertainment]

Double suddenly questioning the thousands of hours he put into mastering DSS and Law. Should have given the people who could do old DSS a damage bonus, reward them for that legacy skill.

[@HeLL1Striker]

I like this. It could have been similar to King's multi-throws, those who go for the full inputs get higher damage than those who opt for 1 button inputs.

[@loxzone1]

I guess what I have trouble with is the fact that a lot of devout Law players arnt even mad at the DSS change. I'm like, why did we waste so much time putting in the effort to master it in the first place?

[@Peter-the-Angry]

Gatekeeping?

[@KrsJin]

While I didn’t like how DSS was executed before per se, I’m kinda bummed to hear the execution has been lessened by that much. Hmm 🤔 Given that, who from the beta was the most demanding for execution? Like Kaz?

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

Kazuya, Bryan, possibly Nina still seemed pretty execution intensive.

[@KrsJin]

@@ThatBlastedSalami Awesome, thanks! Kinda spaced Nina for a bit.

[@reng.2588]

At least make the old DSS input have blue spark and more damage. So that skilled and beginners can still be differentiated. Like some combos of law can you the easy input for the heat to extend and the ender will be the difficult part.

[@josephyoun8480]

nope. That's a rumor. Blue spark version is not the old DSS input. It's hold forward and time the attack. VERY lenient window. At least 3~4 frames of leniency.

[@reng.2588]

@@josephyoun8480 yeah I know This is sad.

[@Peter-the-Angry]

Who cares? He's now more of mix character

[@josephyoun8480]

@@Peter-the-Angry Mind elaborating that statement?

[@Peter-the-Angry]

@@josephyoun8480 it's not that hard to figure out. Its Tekken 8 not Tekken 7. The emphasis is now his mixups and utilizing the heat system. Law is still going to be an upper tier character. He has more ways to go into DSS and his nunchuck move is very good. You all complain about the dumbest shit

[@chaoscontroller316]

This is my video. I'm so ready to finally get that DSS combo down after trying and failing to perfect it in 7.

[@Concealed.Revealed]

Seriously, anybody who has a Twitter account ... (I choose not to have one) ..."Can you please tell Harada to get rid of that annoying "cash register sound" on heat moves.

[@papi2shampu4u]

I hate it too. The visual and sound effects are all way too much

[@tiger-rgn]

yeah its annoying af, "CLING, CLING, CLING, CLING CLING CLING" lmao

[@salvationrushdan1364]

marshall law looks so young in this game. Should've just made it forest law

[@BlinDuckSL]

I think that while the b,f input being gone is a bit of a bummer, his new stance and crouchdash transitions make the character a lot more freeform to me. Doing ws4 crouchdash loops could get a bit exhausting. Plus there's still timing to ws4 CH 3+4 bc if u do it too early u die like in t7.

[@Franklojpg]

I'm so sad he gained so little and lost a few nice tools, compared to other characters that gained insane moves or strings is sad to see.

[@BubbyBoy]

Giving Law more accessibility and safety with his main options is still a worthwhile change for him. It would've been nice to give him more to do with the new nunchucks, though

[@Franklojpg]

@@BubbyBoy exactly 😭i thought he was going to be so cool with them.They can still add some new moves thought, is early days (let's have hopium)

[@thegoopagoop]

the impact animation indicating the direction of a strike and colour coding that with mid/high/low is just occurring to me and makes reading the game muuuch easier

[@HeLL1Striker]

Good video overall. You missed a few things though, like 4, u+3 then DSS, they removed that in Tekken 7, then they brought it back, and now removed again in T-8. It's very helpful for pressure knowing that the initial 4, u+3 is safe on block along with DSS it was good for mind games. Another omission of some options related to his 1,1,1,1 multi punches, you used to have several options after punches, whether to go for a 2,3 finisher, or 2,1+2. Forcing that into simply 1,1,1 then heat or just 1,2,3 limits Law's options and I honestly don't like that.

[@srinivasanrajagopalan6144]

If he lost his dss 1,4 as a combo how fo you punish after a parry- B1+3(not punch parry) is it dss1, F1?

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

DSS 1, f+1 is only on CH. I used DSS 2.

[@srinivasanrajagopalan6144]

@@ThatBlastedSalami can we use dss 3+4 now that it is not a launcher and still is 14 frames like dss 2?

[@tiger-rgn]

@@srinivasanrajagopalan6144 yes you can still do while rising 4 into dss 3+4 counterhit

[@tiger-rgn]

@@ThatBlastedSalami isnt that a nerf? only dss 2 is guarantee parry knockdown???? wtf

[@martinokezie]

Easier DSS aka you can never get true respect for playing him again. The one factor that separated Law players from Law specialists was the consistency of such an execution heavy move especially in stressful situations .

[@Goteiii]

You still get the blue spark. But yeah, I get it. I practiced a lot to manage to do dss consistently. Especially after ws4. But oh well, I'll take the easier version too. I was jealous of easy characters since for some reason their design is always uncool to me and don't want to play them. The only easy execution character I like and play with a bit is Feng.

[@YaGirlGumption]

"True Respect" mfer it's a game let the people play what they want without your stupid internet social credit. I sure as hell have no respect for people complain about this shit, so I ain't too worried about you respecting me.

[@daarkengeist]

I think it's easier to use old DSS on certain combos because of the timing. I'm glad you can still use the old input.

[@Goldlibra18]

You vastly underestimate ss3 on counter hit it gives a guaranteed 3+44 or a full launch 1+2 in heat

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

Did not know this!

[@atn9872]

@@ThatBlastedSalami yeah you can go into F1 as well with good timing

[@Goldlibra18]

It's very good yeah, borderline busted

[@atn9872]

@@Goldlibra18 Well , it doesn't crush , it's very slow and only launch ch if you are in heat. Seems very legit to me.

[@Goldlibra18]

I agree, its why I said borderline, meanwhile jin d2 exists, nice

[@lsvlogs_]

Sooooo what do u think of the new changes ?? Do u like that its easier to do dss? Do u think he's better now or not?

[@Qu.Z.]

Law will win Mr Olympia or Men's Physique.

[@loxzone1]

Why? His legs are smaller than his upper body.

[@chaoscontroller316]

​@@loxzone1So is every other fighter not named Hwoarang though.

[@juniormendes5634]

Sup! A guy from a facebook group "Tekken 8 Brasil" indicated your channel, and I am loving your content. Great work man!

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

Oh boi DSS has a "modern" input?!? Well all those decades in the Law dojo....it's time! With the DSS modern input I wonder what moves can now be chained, mixed, or just reliable feints/mix ups.

[@Kurai-Solo]

As a T7 law player who mastered DSS, I am deeply dissapointed 😢

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

I think the blue spark stuff should've been attributed to the older inputs, not just a loose just frame.

[@dragonic22]

I'm afraid Mainman already clarified this: the blue spark legend kick, you don't need the old input for

[@DaddysFlipside]

​@@dragonic22Yes, that's what he said.

[@papi2shampu4u]

Same. I'll never stop complaining about it, Namco is gonna change it back soley because of me 😂

[@dragonic22]

@@DaddysFlipside I can read, I promise 😓

[@sulthanrasyid4274]

this need to be a series

[@Tareq-uf4em]

Could you please do one one our favorite hotheaded judo master Paul!? Appreciate your content OSU!

[@Heihachi8]

Wtf did they do to law 😡

[@lordshura9717]

What I'm hearing from actual Law mains is that the new ease of use doesnt take away from the fun factor like some of the non Law players are talking about. Fun factor is all that matters.

[@sasuke46601]

Cant wait for the Bryan vid

[@loxzone1]

I'm upset at the DSS change, but who am I to complain? I've only been playing this character like forever.

[@MultiEpicnezz]

That easier DSS is a big thing for me personally. I never could quite get DSS timing down and it made me not play Law because it always felt like I was playing half a character.

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

I don't mind the DSS change either because I never found the old execution particularly fun or interesting. Still, the blue spark stuff should be a nod to older players who mastered it I think.

[@requiem418]

@@ThatBlastedSalami blue spark is still hold f+4 with some timing (pretty lenient), so yeah, all legacy skill is gone now.

[@papi2shampu4u]

You WERE playing half a character lol

[@tiger-rgn]

@@requiem418 no its not gone you can still use the old input the timing stays the same nobody is forcing you to hold forward!

[@davidparry5310]

@@tiger-rgn But that's only because you're holding forward anyway. That's analogous to a scenario in which they changed the EWGF to d/f+2 and saying it's no big deal because you can still do the old input. It's still a dumbing down of the character, and if I were a Law player (which I'm not), I'd be pissed.

[@dmitrylitovchenko8472]

does heat version nunchucks launch downed chars after slide?

[@PurpleTurtle-t4q]

What I'm the most curious about is how different are Asuka and Jun in this game?

[@Peter-the-Angry]

I highly disagree that slide mixups are no longer there or not viable. It makes his crouch canceling game better because he now has additional options. people will still duck or press buttons whe they see crouch canceling.

[@rivashnaidoo6267]

Anyone else notice Law's big feet? Looks like he's wearing clown shoes

[@Mikkomiks]

i hate that they removed the uf3 (fake flip), the dss after 1,2 and the dss grab.. it sucks! those tools are useful for me..

[@melvinshine9841]

Making DSS easy is the one "ease of access" change in this game that actually bothers me. Removing the need of a just frame for Jin and Kazuya Electrics while in Heat isn't a big deal since you still need to be able to do crouch dash inputs on demand in the first place.

[@davidparry5310]

CD inputs on demand ain't that hard.

[@jugcage7634]

First impressions are not good, He will always be my main but... DSS is what made him cool to learn and is always satisfying to nail. :( Pressing F

[@Peter-the-Angry]

He still has DSS

[@jugcage7634]

@@Peter-the-Angry Sure, but it wont be with the same satisfaction, because its so much easier

[@Scar8307]

i hate those big rings of colour that burst out when you attack a character

[@asianlovemusiclyrics3897]

Why isn't their any new moves like combination damn does harada hate law or something

[@Alex81914]

Greay video! Pls Make a video of the changes of Nina! 🥹

[@Goldlibra18]

How did you get that costume?

[@Scott-M1]

Although i get the dss change was to make Law more accessible, it's kind of a bummer because it takes away the uniqueness, timing, and precision of playing him. He actually made you feel like you were playing as Bruce Lee. So the reward of learning and executing moves kind of falls flat. Loved discovering dss from T4. He ironically, kind of fitted in with Bruce's philosophy as well, which made him such a great homage to him. And he looks great in T8.

[@AllenJohn]

There is something "tilt" with the world, when a non-Law player show more tools on how to play as Law than any actual Law mains.

[@KINGPRXJ3CT]

Law mains stand up!

[@TheSkullofskorpion]

Can someone explain why he is more light skinned than his previous versions?

[@Omega_Star_]

Sad.

[@jaywalker3553]

Every character is looking broken and I must say it looks like fun 😂😂😂😂

[@msintal1308]

Theyre going to change dss and slide back to normal. Harada told me.

[@papi2shampu4u]

I hope so, it's only right

[@jfd4706]

Nice Joke

[@chiderajames8387]

Why take away 3+4,4 launcher 😠

[@MrTkshiu]

I wonder if they have to pay any royalties to Bruce Lee's family for using his likeliness

[@doshsviel3531]

Harada doubling down on "Law too easy and brain dead with 3 bar connection into alt+f4ing if dragon tail doesn't connect anymore" stereotypes...

[@zaybo_]

Should not have to spend years to master inputs like this. Ive spent several months tryna get that dss down and all through i got better at it still wasn't completely there before bailing on the game because i couldn't play my fav character from the Tekken 3 to 5 days when i was a kid playing casually. Didn't know about the complexities of fighting games back then. Now do to these change i can just focus on strategy n fundamentals instead of feeling far behind coming from mortal kombat. Might main Tekken over Mk1 now

[@YaGirlGumption]

A lotta people in the comments complaining about the DSS changes sound so childish. Talking about how they'll never get "true respect" older players had. Just let people play the damn game without some old farts docking your fake Internet social credit score. play the character you enjoy and never give the gatekeepers the time of day.

[@Peter-the-Angry]

I've played law since Tekken 3 and I agree, the DSS gatekeeping is very childish because law is much more than that. I'm glad they removed it myself, thats not what makes law (or give me ttt2 forrest). Sorry you actually have to use mixups and neutral now instead of just monkeying DSS all day. Law looks very solid.

[@YaGirlGumption]

@@Peter-the-Angry do you think theyd be as pissy about dss stance if we got Forest Law instead? like uuuh. It's a simpler input because he never learned the nuances of it. IDK bro im just spitballing here.

[@Peter-the-Angry]

​​@@YaGirlGumption They would find something else to complain about. Forrest/Marshall just shows you can have different aspects of law and it can work in ANY Tekken. Forrest didnt have DSS and he was a solid character.

[@Peter-the-Angry]

​​@@YaGirlGumptionthe community would implode if Forrest replaced Marshall and it was his TTT2 version. 😂😂 OG B+1,2,1, on counter hit?

[@Dragoncannon4]

Ur lazy my guy

[@rodrickjames8914]

It cannot do dss from 1 2 now like in tekken 7

[@chiderajames8387]

Really? That's it! I'm sticking to Tekken 7

[@TKVirusman]

I don't care about Jin because Jin was a lame boring character anyway but if these Law changes are reflected across the cast I'm sort of worried, especially as a Lee/Lei player

[@josephyoun8480]

I'm quite disappointed with Tekken 8 Law. DSS and slide was made so that anybody is able to replicate it. But more than anything, I feel kind of bad because I think they're using Law as a test to making characters easy since Bamco hates Law. Because let's be honest, if they made the electric DF2 they know they'll be screwed because everybody loves Mishimas. But Law, nah no one likes him.

[@Asidders]

Why does the hit sounds sound like Dead or Alive ☠☠

[@dobdagawd]

For the algo

[@ZblueheartX]

DSS f1 is not -18 in T7 its -14

[@ThatBlastedSalami]

Yes, the conversation overlapped with that for ff+3.

[@christophercardenas6650]

Why does every tekken player look like they're on drugs

[@Je_suis_Jefe]

DSS was dropped by pro tekken players in tournaments all the time. It's good that it's easier to do.

[@nevergiveup5351]

The original DSS never had an extra forward input it s just back forward

[@Huskasin]

The old df3 string had application as a wall ender, similar to the one Lee has

[@DEUSVULT822]

3+4 , 4 doesnt launch ? ok no more tekken 8 videos, bye tekken

[@wildsnack2080]

Why his faces changed so much?