TEKKEN REVISITED - The Perfect Character - 3.0 Leroy Smith

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[@7ranquility]

i'd understand if he just has ONE overtuned move with the rest being flawed, but this dude had EVERYTHING. there's no way the devs just overlooked it, he was an intentional dlc money-grab

[@JunKazamaFan]

On top of everything, ALL his lows hit grounded. All of them. Absolutely absurd.

[@mirainikki6665]

@@JunKazamaFan ?

[@IccyTheOne]

I honestly don't know who is worse, Leroy in Tekken 7 or Tanya in Mortal Kombat X

[@vista1456786]

@@IccyTheOne I was going to say T anya but at CEO2015 only 3 of them made top 8 and she didn't even win, Leroy's evo japan debut 6 of them made top 8 and I think one guy implied he learnt him on the day of the tournament and made top 16.or 32

[@bfuryy]

@@mirainikki6665 ???????

[@prosketch95]

The amount of times ive heard TMM call a move "the best move in the game"

[@InfinityFantasy]

I like the Tekken revisited series, especially the broken characters. You gotta do Fahkumram

[@JunKazamaFan]

His d/f+1+2 throw alone could carry you far due to its absurdly small break window + the wallsplat.

[@spencer7324]

His original movement was crazy for a character that big

[@micahbell4774]

@@JunKazamaFan didnt realize certain command grabs had smaller break windows

[@jonathancandra8190]

He has said that he's going to do launch Fahk at the end of the video.

[@bigbangbot-SuperSqank]

He also had wack hurtboxes which made him hard to combo or even hit in some cases.

[@jimdino77]

The funniest part…. I remember Speedkicks and Lil Majin claiming he wasn’t broken and it was too early to tell 😂

[@NocriZle]

Not gonna lie I said the same stupid thing

[@bodiggity_8615]

I remember lil majin saying it and wondering what he was smoking, but I didn’t know speedkicks said it too

[@shai310]

I mean tbf it was at the start, yes they were wrong but I think claiming it's too early to call something broken at an early stage of a character release is ok. If they wouldn't admit he was broken at all then I would agree it's pretty stupid.

[@CaseOfBears]

db1 was a high crush. Safe mid, mid string starting with high crush and ending with CH launcher. And fantastic range.

[@CaseOfBears]

You simply could not jab against Leroy because of this spammable move. At -1 (blocked df1) it was still Leroys turn. db1 crushed all highs i10 CH string beat everything except jabs and crushes. And b1+2 beat all crushes and opposing df1. Massive damage.

[@Wavy_Godd96]

@@CaseOfBears but Fengs B1 is better than Leroy’s

[@BknMoonStudios]

I loved Leeroy's trailer and so did everyone else. How could Bandai Namco turn such an anticipated hype character into one of the most hated fighters of the decade is beyond comprehension...

[@flyingfrogofdeath9616]

Going forward he will be one of TEKKEN's best legacy characters I believe - as long as they fix him lmoa

[@shai310]

Yeah, I think his trailer and overall design are amazing. But because of how broken he is it's hard to not get annoyed when you see him, even seeing him in the Tekken anime trailer annoyed me a bit lol.

[@aztekwr]

whats so great in combining black guy with chinese martial arts? is that all ppl need to claim "best design ever" as tmm always did?

[@shymoney95]

but he’s soooooo satisfying to use tho, maybe i’m bias cause of ip man…

[@shymoney95]

@@aztekwr i think you need to do your research, black peoples connection with martial arts and kung fu stems all the way back to the 50s it’s DEEPLY ingrained in the culture

[@joshuacole6543]

imo if leroy (and fahkumram) hadnt happened 7 probably would still have enough momentum for a S5 proper. i feel like S3 killed so much goodwill that the game had earned up to that point, and S4 did little to bring any of it back.

[@zeldalink78]

absolutely insane that they learned nothing from t6 bob after the game was doing so well for so long

[@buckbreaker5185]

I stopped playing the game during season 3 because of Leroy and Fahk. To this day I'll only play 1 match with either. I'll never rematch. I will always teabag. I will never skip my cutscenes. I want all Leroy and Fahk mains to feel unwanted and consider becoming an hero

[@B.Piercesports]

Yep your opinion

[@pfuze_5775]

@@buckbreaker5185 you just sound salty and bad at the game I wouldn't have posted your comment

[@buckbreaker5185]

@@pfuze_5775 you sound like a mindless button masher. Leroy and Fahk were broken and that is a fact. Get parried scrub

[@dante9284]

It still pisses me off how they made him this busted *on purpose* They saw T pain cosplaying Leroy, they saw the overwhelmingly positive response to his visual design from the community, and they decided to make him _overwhelmingly_ broken on release to live up to the 'hype'. They have Mishima Star on the balance team, a man who knows what good tekken is and how it should be balanced. And they expect us to believe that he saw these numbers on Leroy and told them they'd designed a balanced character? They knew *exactly* what they were doing, and tarnished one of the greatest visual designs in tekken history forever with their terrible balancing of him.

[@fz7788]

A bit of an overreaction there

[@grph1t3z]

Whiney kid

[@raveelemental4928]

If he does come back, I really want him to be completely redone. I'd like him to be high execution, and make his playstyle more distinct

[@Mr_Mistah]

This aged well

[@raveelemental4928]

@@Mr_Mistah Did it? I'd rather get my hands on the Technical Test this month to see what they did to him rather than watching videos

[@NickTheSickDick]

​@@raveelemental4928He's the same.

[@vista1456786]

Was surprised he wasn't that popular in 8 cnt (admittedly have not watched much but) he at least looks as decent as current patch 7 Leroy.

[@maddinkn]

:Leeroy has arguably the best move in the game! :Which one? :Yes

[@JunKazamaFan]

Launch Leroy felt like I could pick any given move from him and coast my way to victory.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

@@JunKazamaFan Yeah Leroy has a lot of noob-killer moves. Might even be the most powerful beginner friendly character in the game now that I'm thinking about it...actually no, I think he's behind "mash buttons and win" Eddy Gordo, but he's still pretty great. But unlike Eddy Leroy stays strong at all levels of play.

[@AfroKing.]

@@RJALEXANDER777 lol comparing Leroy to Eddy

[@RJALEXANDER777]

@@AfroKing. Sure, in the context that both are easy characters to win with at entry level of play.

[@mappybc6097]

@Afro King Leroy wins overall. But T3 Eddy is responsible for more people quitting Tekken than any other character in the series.

[@WASHED_UP_NPC]

Miss these revisited videos. Oh the terror I spread playing launch Leroy lmao, and no I wasn’t ki charging and plugging

[@SwarmDOTA2]

The bamco executives were salivating since AK sold so much last season they decide to throw a pay to win character you would only see in mobile games

[@SwarmDOTA2]

First time a tekken game with dlc and they go apeshit trying to push boundaries on how broken the game can be to milk money before a backlash. Truly like a LoL and mobile legends champion where you make it as cheap as possible for noobs to buy and easy rank up before nerfing it. That’s why i play dota

[@GThunder_Gaming]

@@SwarmDOTA2 I never expected them to pull this in tekken given that I play the games you mentioned as well. I play tekken because it's a competitive SOLO experience and you rely only on your own skills but sadly leroy started the dlc bullshit.

[@mitomidou]

When launch Leroy hit, me and a couple buddies played right away. They played Leroy non-stop when he came out and since I was so inflexible, I just played my usual Miguel. They beat me up so bad with Leroy, by the time I got online to play ranked, I was so used to Leroy and he didn't seem like a problem at the time. Think my friends innoculated me against him. 😅

[@Mysterio382]

Love this tekken revisited, especially on the older tekken games. Very nice to hear about charactrers you didnt have opportunity to play with in the past

[@J0ulez5]

"sounds like a skill issue, there was counterplay, he needed it" - launch fakhumram

[@Fariorn]

Thanks for breaking down, why he was that broken on release. But to be fair, I don't think that Leroy remains top 5 after all these nerfs and after the release of Fahkumram and Lidia. Most people are really scared of Leroy's past, I don't think that he's that big of a problem today. You also barely see him in tournaments. I mean, he's a top tier character, but not as broken anymore as most people think.

[@gtothee5723]

Great video MainMan. While it was very unhealthy for the game, playing launch Leroy was fun that I will never forget. Such a great time when Tekken 7 was truly flourishing.

[@Wyrmixx]

Someone said before that Leroy has the same color palette as Steve and I can see it clearly here lmao

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

Db1,3 Db1 high-crushed. F,F2,2 still tracks today. I think Leroy was the character that made me learn about the general design of Tekken. My homie who was not as skilled as I was, greatly closed the skill gap and caused me many a nights worth of headaches

[@davidchu2001]

db1,1+2 used to be safe for some dumb reason

[@leonardopinna2157]

The gap of difficulty and balance between characters really make this game a joke sometime, but still enjoyable somehow

[@AbsolutelyAbsurDDD]

Love these type of videos. Please do this for the other Tekken 7 god tier characters! (like Fahkumram, S2 Geese, Akuma)

[@yoleornole885]

Yes indeed No Name, Hello MainMan

[@mruchiha0209]

to this day i still say, bandai namco saw the overwhelming positive reception to leroy and felt they had no choice but to give the people their moneys worth. the character that put me on a months hiatus after 2 and a half years straight of tekken 7.

[@Zlatko815]

Def not the reason, Fahku also was busted and he didn't even get close to Leroy's reception from the trailer. Lidia also overtuned.

[@emilbendixsrensen3185]

He said swag in the first minuet and it didn't feel weird. Dad buff is OP

[@jone5806]

He's back... the nightmare is back!!!

[@nixuniverse5240]

The reason they can't nerf him properly is because he's fundamentally broken. He's either super broken or garbage. There's no in between.

[@Guitar-Dog]

He would only be classed as garbage in comparison to launch Leroy. I think if he launched like he is just now people would still think he was strong. All those parries and his d32 into his 'marching mixup' (d32 step or the hermit low mid) he's always going forward you can't KBD hermit at all

[@appleaccount7608]

I would highly recommend people to pick up this character now ( season 5.0). He is well balanced, his has very clear weaknesses and a very distinct and attractive style of play. I recently started playing after 4 years and tried him as my current main and its been fun.

[@Mr_Mistah]

Leroy has weaknesses?

[@christoffelsymbol1631]

@@asianbabyboy I'm a bit late to the conversation but i've been learning leroy and in my opinion he doesnt have clear weakness due to being all-round (just like Jin or Julia don't have weaknesses) but the move that's been carrying me alot is b1+2, this move simply denies most of the offensive options your opponent has, but its weakness is terrible range and poor recovery so if you can predict him doing this move, one single backdash will evade it and leave Leroy open same with b+2 parry, actually, it has a very long recovery now (easier said than done tho)

[@clavicusvile1328]

Everyone was hyped for this dude but bamco ruined him by making him pay to win basically, sad really, he really reminded me on t3 character design style

[@RJALEXANDER777]

Y'know you're not wrong there about his design. Of all the modern Tekken characters Leroy is one of the very few I could picture being in classic games like T3.

[@wardogthreeisanidiot6561]

T3 characters weren't pay2win, they gave them to you included with the game at launch.

[@vitovito6473]

Lidia brings Tekken 3 vibes tho

[@thefreeburningspirit]

@@wardogthreeisanidiot6561 he never said T3 characters were pay2win though. He was just pointing out how Leroy's character design, as in his visuals, reminded him of T3's style

[@adamusso_tk]

EVO JAPAN 2020 - the show of Leroy

[@SolidSonicTH]

This wasn't THAT long ago. It was, what, 2020? I remember watching your launch Leroy videos, where you spoke of him as "boss Leroy" due to him having better versions of moves like Heihachi's b+4. Then there was that entire video dedicated to f,f+3.

[@JunKazamaFan]

Leroy's d+1+2 was Bob's d+1 ON STEROIDS.

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

PTSD

[@tcbbctagain572]

Wow i didn't expect tmm to do revisited videos on tekken 7 this quickly

[@Kokmaster123]

Yoooo MORE TEKKEN REVISITED MAIN MAN WE MISSED EM!

[@christoferprestipino7433]

This character sickens me

[@salutcava2262]

The release of Leroy and the decision to give most cast wall carry combo was the point were the game was no longer enjoyable for me. Fahkumram was the nail in the coffin.

[@holeyschitt]

Yeah, like why did Nina need that while running high wall splat move.

[@Mr_Mistah]

Fahkumram is trash now

[@evangel1460]

@@Mr_Mistah he's so trash that top players will still use him in tournaments and has guesses off of df1 (a legit generic tool tekken characters have)? Yeah, aight.

[@Zlatko815]

If Fahku is the nail in the coffin Lidia is the piss on the grave

[@holeyschitt]

@@evangel1460 And unblockable wallsplats and literally no weaknesses

[@MrShinTensei]

Our lord Leroy will prevail

[@JunKazamaFan]

EVO Japan 2020 will forever be a stain on Leroy's legacy.

[@castieldiallo2945]

Tekken 6, fella. Stain nothing.

[@rocknroland1]

I wanna play Tekken 4 again

[@danir.2170]

Finally! More tekken revisted!

[@jihoonlee0807]

I feel like d1+2 was even more op because he had a 10frame hit confirmable counter string and an overpowered orbital that evaded the dick jabs.

[@Brainzzz123]

That added to the strength, yes. The jab string would be seen as a setup, as an example

[@derrickdavis1147]

SIMILAR TO THE SAME WAY EDDY GORDO WAS WHEN HE WAS INTRODUCED IN TEKKEN

[@user-to7gw1ce1w]

Loving the charisma! , Awesome video!

[@drftr6073]

shoutouts to the bullets per minute soundtrack.

[@finnt4937]

What enrages me the most, is that no one in the hard scene, at a tournament, at a press conference, whatever. No one had the balls to confront harada, murray, or other corporates and ask them. „Why did you do this? I dont even have to ask HOW or WHY this happened, you sacrificed the integrity of your game for months an your good reputation. For a little bid of extra sales. You should apologize to your players and be ashamed“. No one did something like this.

[@Brainzzz123]

With the Leroy d+1+2 not being steppable as easily on P1, would there be a desync if both players were player 2 on their screen, but you would appear as player 1 on leroy's screen?

[@yaniser3195]

nah

[@Guitar-Dog]

Online you can't tell if the opponent is on P1 or P2 the camera changes for each player. It wouldn't desync and you CAN step from crouch (with hitbox) The game doesn't just break if someone steps into the screen from crouch

[@Idontwantyourcookie]

@TheDragonkingboss what's stopping you from stepping into the screen on P1 is bad control mapping logic; it's still possible at a technical level, there's just no combination of player inputs that can lead to it. the CPU could probably do it for instance

[@soap9253]

@TheDragonkingboss You would just see them sidestep from crouch, there is no desync. Besides, it's already technically possible to sidestep into the background from crouch if you have two separate inputs bound to 'up' on the dpad and joystick.

[@FuryLima]

You would just see your opponent crouch cancel and stepping to the foreground, that info makes you know thar he's on the same side you're playing

[@Anashere_Narrnda]

oh I remember those days when for me I'll never play other character than Kazuya but literally everyone i was facing was playing Leroy and once he got nerfed they disappeared 😂

[@itachi1165]

He still is broken

[@loomierome8411]

This music gave me Vietnam flashbacks to playing BPM

[@Apha-Omega]

He plays on keyboard and Arcade stick!!!?? Wow😯

[@moneyhelping345]

That's a mixbox it makes hard input really ez

[@Vasenkov]

d/b1 being a high crush was insane

[@SkarjOS]

T8 Leroy still paying for this

[@epictcg4424]

It's ip man and people say it can't be done. I don't see him as leroy, he is ip man!! 😆 and I don't care what people say, about every character release was busted. Honestly him being wing chun fighting style = already gonna be popular on release. If you're a martial art fan!

[@RussellSenpai]

There are Leroy players out there thinking this character was balanced and not deserving of nerfs. I fear no man, but the concept of those people existing, it haunts me. Also that 70 nerf claim, that isn't an exaggeration, I kinda wish mainman showed all the times Leroy got a nerf because there's gonna be the odd people who don't believe it's validity.

[@Father_Salt]

Launch Leroy is exactly what $6 looks like in Tekken 7

[@Leggett27]

Just spent the day playing Leroy for the first time in T7. Got him from 0-50 wins and ended up near yellow ranks. Gonna watch this video to see how he has gotten nerfed.

[@yungjhit9014]

Hi mainman :3

[@6omni6draconian6]

-3 orbital!? Jesus!

[@ToastyMoldyPopTarts]

Why did I all of a sudden get angry when tmm ki charged with Leroy 😆

[@yoch5383]

I can't watch this i have PTSD

[@bestscenes4759]

Idk. I see way more Geese, Fahk, and Kuni in tournaments than Leroy. I wonder why that is.

[@orangesoda4535]

Leroy is where Tekken died to me.

[@royjewell199]

I really want to see a good video about how to make Leroy cool. Like talk about how to make him an interesting character, maybe add another stance, something like Feng's shifting clouds, not just complain about how is design was terrible on launch and even to this day. I don't necessarily think that execution makes a character interesting, but just giving a character OP moves isn't cool. I'm just disappointed, because Leroy has so much swag and potential

[@RJALEXANDER777]

I think the trick to making a character cool is you have to appreciate the heart/soul of their martial art and make their playstyle reflect it. It's why characters like King, Jin and Steve are so iconic. Say what you will about characters like Hwoarang, Lei and Eddy being annoying, but thematically they're a 10/10 in their moves and playstyle. To make Leroy good he'll have to reflect Wing Chun better. A lot of his moves are spot on, but overall he just plays like a pretty braindead, generic character.

[@HoDoBoDo]

I hope they release DLC characters weak, and then buff them gradually later on, because releasing them with everything after a hype trailer, just really puts a bad taste in your mouth. I would honestly want that instead, than to have a broken character on release.

[@oreowithurea5018]

They make DLCs easy and strong for a reason, so that many people buy them for easy wins.

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

Nobody would buy a weak, new character 1

[@pfuze_5775]

Laughs in rambo

[@CephlonMayngrum]

Lunch Leroy

[@foreveruseless1292]

Love the BPM ost

[@shawnjenkins5908]

He still can fuckin parry bullets

[@gloop32]

Need to do another Leroy vid since the nerf

[@virtuoso-in4mc]

I knew he was busted when my friend (who had beginner level execution) started doing 70+ damage combos after a few minutes of practice

[@xAxCx]

Man it's definitely been a minute since TMM did a "why this character is problematic" video.

[@rsjinopgaming4968]

LOVE YOU MENTOR

[@zaptrotix3]

legendary mf

[@BILLTHEBILLAMAN]

Launch Leroy was busted but he definitely wasnt the most broken Tekken character of all time. The most most broken character of all time is Tekken 1 King with the +90 df1 where you only had 2 choices, Die or die harder lol. After that Tekken 3 Arcade Jin with the df1 glitch, then Launch Leroy. So it should be: 1. Tekken 1 King 2: Tekken 3 Arcade Jin 3: Tekken 7 3.0 Leroy

[@JunKazamaFan]

Tekken 1 Armor King was even worse, having that busted d/f+1 and a Wind God Fist.

[@matthewtonna1]

How can you play 3.0 ?

[@Only_Roge]

iv just picked him up, i love him. then again I am 54 y/old .. thanks for the vid tmm 👍

[@fatababes]

I still remember when some of the scrubs on locals said he was balanced LMAOOOOOO

[@zelesim]

he was busted on release, now, i believe overall fakurham or lidya are better, still the biggest issue is the easy execution and lack of moves is like they went around slapped some of the best moves of other tekken characters and that is it. he has very few moves compared to other characters if you are playing against a person that knows leroy wel and your not a top tier player you are not going to win, the back 4/ sweep yes it is the best thing that he has now .

[@FuryLima]

Still has orbital, parries, b1+2, d3,2, best df1 etc

[@ametozukumazu6073]

The only good thing that Leroy did for pro scene is Ulsan destroying Chikurin with Bob against the 3.0 Leroy on the finals if EVO Japan

[@azteckjumbie9344]

Kuni ..Julia ..lidia ..right up there with Leroy

[@JunKazamaFan]

Kunimitsu's qcf+1 being able to hit anywhere across the screen combined with her SET 2 and SET 3 mix-up makes her so unfun to fight.

[@azteckjumbie9344]

@@JunKazamaFan safe counter hit mid launcher hit from across the galaxy ..ssfe kuni ..safe on back turn . No damage on the faint with 1 milion mixups ..bs wall carry and damage and so on

[@qweqweqwadcsc]

@@JunKazamaFan The most Untekken character to fight among all the actual non-guest Tekken characters DLC or not

[@WambwneD]

lol wheres the old intro coming from haha

[@TheCharismaticOne]

Great video, crazy after about a year of properly playing Tekken and then watching this I can see how crazy he was upon release 12:45 don't a lot of characters have a -1 DF1?

[@Shenmue22]

the best

[@resonmon]

Please do this for Fahkumram as well

[@georgej9366]

Maybe people should’ve learnt the matchup If a lot of legacy characters were dlc characters they’d be nerfed to the ground

[@RKNELIAS]

The character that made me abandon Tekken for good.

[@derrickdavis1147]

LEROY IS THE CHEAT CODE TO WIN IN TEKKEN

[@samos5863]

I've been playing Tekken on and off since Tekken 4, for a total of approximately 5 years of non-casual gaming. When Leroy dropped I dropped Tekken and the fighting games completely.

[@misantrope6267]

I don't play a lot of tekken, but I love watching all the tournaments and when Leroy released I just hated every single tournament, so fricking boring. Atleast Akuma requires a lot of skill in comparison. Leroy matches just put me to sleep.

[@Mr_Mistah]

Even current Leroy is just bait the parry, punish him, bait the parry, punish him. Over and over again.

[@misantrope6267]

@@Mr_Mistah I just like playing Negan but he won't be in the next Tekken so I have no motivation to keep playing or get better :I I like that he has keepout with huge range and very easy inputs and the mixups from his stance are fun

[@shaideyfresh1]

I think they make their characters 1st versions broken so they will be top tier and everyone will buy them...

[@BurnoutXProductions]

Good video, unrelated question thought. Is that a hitbox he is using?

[@SheikhDeezNuts]

Yes

[@chayz1884]

Fukhimandrun..

[@ShinzoGabe]

they will never make a move -16

[@joshbeverly4290]

What's the song in the background around 5:00 ?

[@t1red3yez27]

Song is: "Into Asgard" by Sam Houghton and Joe Collinson

[@johanneshjortshoej3529]

Hey mainman i just started on tekken what person should i main?

[@buulaa1]

Yo quick question, did you import your hitbox? cuz with my calc its gonna cost alot to get one to sweden, hur mycket var slutpriset för dig?

[@Guitar-Dog]

Slutpriset for dig, made me laugh, I'm Scottish so I don't know swedish

[@sergiogabriel1322]

Who Win shin Akuma or god itself?

[@xBIGFLATSx]

Tekken 6 Bob revisited please 🙏

[@SoloPlayerP1]

How can you revert to old patch?

[@georgej9366]

I hate the whole “if a dlc character is good they’re pay to win” But legacy characters like Steve,hworang,bryan, Paul get to have so much bs and get away with it Stop judging dlc characters so harshly

[@ertalt333]

Im not a huge fan of mmswe approach to things, but in his defence - he explicitly said how Leroy's orbital is better than Bryan's. Does Bryan have a homing hellsweep? A safe-ish homing mix-up? Plus-frame pseudo-launchers? Does Paul have any of this stuff? Paul is annoying with df+2 and qcb+4 keep-out spam and also has a demo-man, but his demo-man is a joke compared to Leroy's. Paul isn't very good at whiff recover, but Leroy is. A lot of his "unfair" stuff is steppable, while Leroy's - isn't. Steve gets pretty dumb with his highs, but his lows are sub-par, he requirres both execution and brain to be a good turtle, and he has troubles going in aggressive. All of the characters you mentioned are definetely high-tier legacy gods, but none of them is braindead. None of them gets great tools in every aspect, unlike leroy and fahk who deal lots of damage, have perfect mixups, tonns of +frame setups, keepout, bs counterhits etc ALL AT ONCE. You can't deduca a universal approach against these characters, you can't beat every of the options.

[@qweqweqwadcsc]

DLC user spotted

[@Edmitsu]

Remember. You are either a roach or pirate if you complain about launch Leroy and frame data being paid dlc. Sorry. Murray’s words not mine. Thank god he got fired.

[@raveelemental4928]

Wait Murray got fired? Where'd you get that from?

[@qweqweqwadcsc]

Nah Murray is not fired, but he needs to be

[@treybates6828]

BPM is such a good game with an absolute killer ost

[@marcosfg7573]

Hey TMM, Leroy Prime or Fahk Prime?