Dangerous but Genius Sliding Technique They Use to Transport Tons of Wood

[@butch6814]

Thank you for having the raw sound no commentary or music playing

[@judil3294]

Yes!

[@morninboy]

Love the birds singing

[@gazilutfulkabir6173]

but subtitle required

[@Арина-и7ф3ч]

да!!

[@ryandavis6660]

Agreed!

[@Splash111]

Can we take a minute to appreciate how well those sleds are built to be able to carry that load without deforming or breaking apart.

[@goldgeologist5320]

Light weight, but very strong. Amazing design and workmanship. You noice the replaceable wood surface on the runners?

[@hindugoat2302]

if you think thats a great design, wait until you see one with WHEELS

[@bmxscape]

@@hindugoat2302 he would be fascinated by the ones powered by an engine

[@johnh539]

Absolutely. I think they have a bit of steering by "Deforming" the front end to and froe by hand. We had a sled made in woodwork clases of similar design but much smaller that was frightening it was so much faster than any other, that you steered by bending the front of the runners just a fraction. Those extended risers the continuation of the runners at the front give a lot of force multiplication for the smallest of runner alignments' even under such a heavy load.

[@johnh539]

@@hindugoat2302 😄

[@Dvsone2012]

I’m always amazed by human beings ability to solve problems throughout time.

[@oby-1607]

And I hear people complain when they have to go and turn up the thermostat. Hats off to these real men with hats.

[@pyroth309]

I know right? Bunch of whiners. I just use my phone without having to get up. GG smart thermostats.

[@юлайАккужин]

где лошади ау

[@mtnvalley9298]

@@юлайАккужин too tight to run effectively in the woods

[@Pecanut]

@@юлайАккужинЭти двое за лошадей! 🙀

[@goiterlanternbase]

Because that life sucked balls and let to an early gruesome death, we invented thermostats. Now we invent smart thermostats, because working them by hand is wasted time😉

[@ngoclaw1353]

Oh my goodness as their age they have done amazing job. Very skilful 👍👍

[@originalsupermommy]

As a wood burner I'd like to take a moment to appreciate the lovely ringing sound of perfectly dry seasoned wood. ❤

[@Thomas63r2]

Just a couple of senior studs putting many young men to shame.

[@MrQuick999]

Oh dang I was feeling that while watching then scrolled down to see your comment lol. Yeeaaah..

[@rogermccaslin5963]

The young guys are probably saying "Grampa, you can do it however you want but I'm taking the truck".

[@Jamesthomas12187]

Yup

[@davidreed3165]

Yeah and they didn’t even stop to look at their cell phones like the ones I work with.

[@sandspar]

With good womenfolk at home who are smart enough to know making lunch is easier than firewood.

[@baswordfish]

About the first one : It is typically Vosges (Alsace, Black Forest), the sleds/ sleighs are "schlittes". This way of transporting wood is called "schlittage" and people are "schlitteurs". "Man has always been dependent on nature and among others on the forest to provide for his needs in firewood, energy supply for industry and timber for construction. In our region, where the forest is steep, and before the advent of mechanical means and the creation of forest roads, the transport of wood to the road was carried out by human force. Loggers and foresters unloaded the logs by throwing (sliding) and firewood by means of sledges called “SCHLITT”. For the skidding of large woods (logs) a short sled was used at the front (le “bouc”, male goat) and a simple sleigh at the back (la “chèvre”, female goat). The drainage channels specially built for the sledding were made of beech quarters fixed by stakes. The sledding was a hard and tiring work; the ascent of the Schlitt was done by men, and the descent was full of dangers. Many accidents with often dramatic and sometimes fatal consequences. The Vosges massif and the village of Breitenbach are still marked by traces of this activity which continues to be occasionally practiced for the skidding of the affouages (firewood). The Alsatian nickname of the inhabitants of the village is also the best witness: «beilargretscherr», the gliders of the coat, from the name of the mountain overlooking the village.

[@AuBo97]

Love the way they help each other out. Amazing!

[@MayimHastings]

That's some serious core strength and grit right there! So much respect for them!

[@adrianpilbrow]

There is so much beauty in the old ways of living...

[@lauralaladarling3775]

My gosh, what strength and incredible skills these mature men have not only to load the wood but also navigate through the hills of the forest on the sledge - like contraption to deliver the wood to it's destination. Marvellous.

[@timsager6153]

They are in excellent shape

[@dougalexander7204]

Nice looking firewood, dried with no bark. Strong men who work hard and deserve to be warm on long winter nights with their Swedish lady. Much respect.

[@valvol4388]

Hello, excuse me, but for me it is not Sweden… it’s look like Switzerland…

[@pauloantonio9376]

​@@valvol4388 deve ser a mesma coisa 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@valvol4388]

@@pauloantonio9376 -É como uma mula e um cavalo - semelhantes, mas diferentes. 😱😂😂😂

[@Lolo-rq8jp]

@@valvol4388bonjour C’est dans les Vosges Francaise, la forêt du Hattat , commune de Sapois

[@valvol4388]

@@Lolo-rq8jp Amazing! Is this true?

[@MrGrombie]

Those are some fairly time intensive plates. But you can't hate on it working! I love watching these videos. Gives me ideas on how to make things better from techniques I am not normally subjected too.

[@tcply9450]

some tuff ole birds right there i tell ya , respect to these guys

[@fishheds]

Probably a retired engineer and surgeon reliving their youth.

[@pacsi325]

Hungarians, Székelyland😊.... (Transzilvánia)At the beginning, the wooden barrel sled

[@TheGillrilla]

And bare handed!

[@cherylwin9364]

NUFF RESPECT 😇👍🏾

[@Gena777-r95]

These men are strong because theyve been doing this for many years. This is amazing!! And very cool 😊

[@graziamaravalli1925]

For the new generations: those big old guys working hard physically under the sun surrounded by nature have the most high quality mental health among humans

[@СвятославЛукьяненко-х8т]

May be mental was good but body health was bad

[@ITNerd1970]

This is a perfect example of "old time tough..." These men will put young men to shame! I do like how they designed the sleds to be tall enough to slide over them if they fall in front of them. Very cool design! They could just let them slide over them if they get out of control. Great video!

[@graememckay9972]

After WW3 with no electricity or Internet we will be glad there's still old guys out there that know these old ways.

[@Mark-sd4hv]

You think they will be around?

[@Magneticvortex-kk4gb]

It's hardly rocket science. Things uphill tend to go downhill.

[@nedread6700]

How will you know if there is no internet or electricity?? Think about it 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[@rjgaynor8]

Don’t worry buttercup you will not survive it or the aftermath.

[@tripwire4727]

How about we don't let ww3 happen? Get involved, vote to improve people's lives and end oligarchy.

[@burkerteva5133]

Meine Achtung und Respekt den Männern,die so für das tägliche Brot arbeiten.

[@heronimousbrapson863]

Highly inefficient and wood burning is a contibutor to rising CO2 levels. Electricity, especially that generated from renewables is better.

[@chgj1971]

Wie vor 100Jahren

[@TheGillrilla]

This should be in the Stihl games!

[@redjowelbluetongue7689]

3:37 my heart may have skipped a beat in fear for that dudes ankle.... genius but dangerous indeed!

[@sixstringedthing]

Bookmarking this as helpful reference material for the next time a coworker in a sit-at-a-desk role talks about "boosting their core strength" by going for a light jog or attending a yoga class.

[@kaiohshin2322]

all fitness exists to compensate for a passive lifestyle.

[@TREE3-ph4sr]

The dog is their supervisor

[@AiAngel]

Realizing The Forest actually did the SFX for the log sled REALLY well!

[@beezerdoodle6140]

Real men doing real work. When someone who works from home bends my ear about how hard they work for their 6 figure salary my response is "go dig a ditch and then tell me how hard you worked." If all you do is stare at a laptop you're not really working and most tech companies are severely overstaffed.

[@xl000]

sit down in front of the same laptop connected to the same application, and tell me if you can do their job.....

[@beezerdoodle6140]

@@xl000 I can and I did but it was back when you went in to your job and had face time with fellow employees. I now know several younger folks who "work" from home and some readily admit they are only actually working 3-4 hours a day. I was hanging out in the middle of a weekday with a young lady who works for Google and she looked at her phone and sent a text response to whoever texted her, she looked at me and said "I have to respond so that they think that I'm working" and laughed. BTW, in my 20's I was an ironworker and welded on huge steel structures, that was hard work but very satisfying.

[@xl000]

@@beezerdoodle6140 ok, but can you sit in front of a a laptop, look at a bug report, and find the programming error in the source code of a project, and fix it ? All of this can be done just by sitting on a chair and staring at a monitor.....

[@beezerdoodle6140]

@@xl000 I could if I so desired but I'm happily retired and don't need to sit for hours every day, I'd rather be surfing, cycling, hiking etc. I hope that you get there someday, it's nice!

[@sixstringedthing]

Why would I want to bust my arse for a pittance if I can get paid a handsome salary to only work 6 hours a day? How is that desirable? Sure, there's something to be said for the fitness of people who work at physical labour for a living. But there's also something to be said for not being a wage slave putting large amounts of wear and tear on the only body you have for the purpose of making already wealthy people even wealthier. Work smarter, not harder.

[@colinbateman8233]

Wow unbelievable how strong these men have to be the coordination they have to have with that load behind them amazing

[@Zorbakozak]

Supper smart. This is what I see my father was doing. Anything and everything, he would improvise or invent things that had amazing smart practical purpose.

[@jakeeasterwood9317]

For all you ladies out there… this is how real Gentlemen of Culture get wood. The next demonstration will be how they bring home the bacon. Stay tuned. 😊

[@bluemamba5317]

They are to busy gathering social points on social media to watch

[@jakeeasterwood9317]

@@bluemamba5317 They only use the network when they go fishing.

[@badlandskid]

Wood and pork. Interesting topic

[@jakeeasterwood9317]

@@badlandskid I forgot to mention stump training.

[@JanaSzIsBasicGlitch]

For all man... Don't say that it all women, because even tough I have dad and many woman too, all the work does women, even acquiring wood, while male is angered by any smol request so it stucked to me that woman do ALL the job it also stucked to me that if it comes to me I should be able to take care of my self or my home completely alone and IF I happen to not know something, that I should simply to learn it. SO NO REAL MAN talking ish for me and many other women too... Although respect and cudos to these...

[@carolewarner101]

WOW! A lot of work went in to making all of that. Looks like they run a boiler given the length. Awesome!

[@Suffragium.]

Thank you😊for sharing this video

[@deaftodd]

They are that close to invent a roller coaster!

[@MihailKukutanov]

Do ur Homework, they invented the Roller coaster

[@deaftodd]

@@MihailKukutanov Do your homework, they were sliding.

[@bmxscape]

@@deaftodd slider coaster

[@AdinaShoshanaSturman-os6tk]

What could possibly be better for the heart, mind and soul than living simply in nature.

[@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus]

Wood stoves are designed to ensure men have no spare time in the weekends. These legends have just made it fun, of a sort, just backbreaking fun. Let’s hope their wives never see this, or it’s going to move to painting the wooden joinery, gardening, and other endless tasks!

[@BruceKulpan]

Very clever! Simple, effective, a bit risky, but looks like fun.

[@douggief1367]

I love how he says "hi-ho" (as the call to action) just like the dwarfs did in Snow White #1.

[@TheAlbator1966]

Quelle magnifique leçon de vie. On a tellement à apprendre de nos anciens.

[@mtnvalley9298]

These men understand wood.

[@Raul28153]

making that black salt is a BEAST of a job

[@Gzussss]

Is that what it was? Kala Namak? I had no idea. What I job, the whole time I thought they we smelting some kind of metal.

[@Raul28153]

@@Gzussss it;s near the end. You can see bags labeled SALT. looks like they take white salt and cook it with some organic material in the big round clay pots and then crack it and bag it.

[@Gzussss]

@@Raul28153 Yes, they call it kala namak, I use it often at home, it taste very sulphuric. It's amazing for a tofu scramble to make it taste similar to eggs. I knew they cooked salt with herbs but had no idea the process was that hard on the body. It blew my mind.

[@judytruesdell6816]

Bald wood is so pretty

[@Raul28153]

@@judytruesdell6816 yah. I think all wood should go full Mr White.

[@dougblalock5175]

I love it! We used old car hoods.

[@TECNOLOGIAINCREIBLE1]

¡Gracias por compartir este vídeo! 👏 La técnica del deslizamiento es realmente inteligente e interesante y ayuda a transportar la madera de forma eficaz. ¿Sabes si existen máquinas modernas que admitan este proceso? 🤔🚜

[@floareapirlogea8047]

Interesante, inteligente, gracias por compartir, muy eficace la tehnica de transportar la madera,un saludo desde Rumania de la orilla de Daniubiu, ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@willbohland3698]

It's just dangerous no matter what. Logging is crazy. This technique is pretty sweet.

[@timburton5950]

Be a challenge to find help in this country willing to put this kind of effort into work today; my hats off to those older men which could probably kick the sh$% out of most our youth, lol.

[@ОльгаСоколова-п1ю9ы]

Какие трудяги! Сколько мудрости и сил тратят что бы жить достойно

[@douglasolsson7768]

It's a mini version of "Skid Road". Where giant logs were pulled down roads across half buried logs. Of course they were using teams of horses. Also were shanty towns of bars and houses of prostitutes would pop up. Hence the term Skid Road, though most people use Skid Row.

[@rafaynoman1180]

New masculine urge unlocked.

[@mec4lifesmiley700]

What grown men will do to get away from his wife and kids.

[@donaldschmitt4677]

LMAO!!!

[@Therapistinthewhitehouse]

What grown men will do to put food on the table for their wife and kids.

[@clarifaco]

Yep! So true 😂😂

[@neurockones]

What grown men will do to heat the house for a winter so the wife and kids don't bitch about how cold it is for 5 months straight.

[@andrewcas8153]

Derp.

[@petemiller519]

Those ol' boys make me appreciate my heat pump. The trail infrastructure they constructed is very impressive. Kudos to them, living off the land and not worrying about whether your Tesla stock is up or down because of Elons juvenille tweets on X.

[@kevinwaterman389]

When you let gravity be your friend when moving firewood! Working smarter not harder.

[@mountainmanxyz]

I had to ask myself several times what I was watching, but it was an interesting video. I don't know how I would feel about staples holding my plate together though.

[@sidneynakubaya]

And some people still wonder how the Great Pyramids at Giza were built

[@peterebel7899]

Best to be done in snowy winter time!

[@stephenbyrd8295]

Bet those old fella's could snatch you up in a second. Imagine how STRONG those men are after a lifetime of this.

[@Prosper1554]

La schlitte, ces gars ont des jambes en beton

[@jerrytalley802]

How long did it take to just build the track/path, down the mountain? So impressive

[@heleneculioli-atwood6997]

I am a woman 70 years old. I cut my wood below my house in the wild but I have to carry it up the hill. Pretty exhausting. I live in Corsica.

[@philliphall5198]

I’m sorry 😢

[@jennymoss2122]

Isn’t there anyone that can help you?

[@IARRCSim]

It likely keeps you in shape at least. It sounds like good exercise if that isn't outweighed by risk of an accident.

[@petermacleod5710]

and in thevnext Video . . . Watch Amazed fathers as their 3 year old daughters invent the wheel . . . joking apart. always remember that this wood is for their families’ SURVIVAL over the long winter in the mountains. Beautiful firewood, Listen to the noise if makes, Dry and clean, and ready for the stove.

[@craigsibley8964]

Wow! When these guys discover the wheel… there’ll be no stopping them!!! (Literally!)😂

[@Grslanw]

日本でも同様の道具で木材を運んでいました 木馬（キンマ）と言います。 全く一緒ですね。

[@COFFEE-e3p]

moshee moshee, sumison ! arigato....japan no. 1...china no-good !! usa lost !!

[@7022david]

en france, dans les vosges, cela s'appelle la schlit.

[@Ирэна-о5в]

Я волновалась за них, но они очень умело действуют. Какой экологичный транспорт. Они заслуживают уважения.

[@jayztoob]

"Would you like staples with your rice?" "Yes, please."

[@GiorgioCasco]

lo stesso strumento era usato in Carnia fino agli anni 50, per trasportare il fieno dai prati alti alle malghe, non c'erano strade ma soltanto sentieri.

[@Aluttuh]

If only we all lived like this...

[@carpballet]

Then we all would be living like this. Bite your tongue.

[@Aluttuh]

@@carpballet I rather not be a debt slave and live a hard, real life that actually has a sense of community. To each his own i guess.

[@carpballet]

@@Aluttuh It takes a tiny brain to consider this an either/or situation. One infected tooth that slowly kills you or your wife or your kid would have you praying for mercy. But that’s a thought experiment far beyond your capability. Mr. hard, real life…

[@Aluttuh]

@@carpballet Sounds like you are the one thinking either/or... But i dont expect you to realize that. Your ego reeks by the way, maybe its your rotting teeth?

[@danielgappmayer3636]

What? If a person wanted to live like this, just move to a third world country. I'll take modern safe efficient production.

[@FrauMaus-pj9zy]

Wahnsinn 👀 👍 Hut ab, mein Respekt habt ihr😁🤗

[@theangrypainter826]

Not dangerous for real men like these fellas!

[@VitaKet]

Wanna bet? Guarantee people get injured doing that.

[@theangrypainter826]

@@VitaKet im thinking there super tough men . Im sure they get a little beat up ,but likely shrug it off!

[@betirdemarcano1085]

Dios los siga bendiciendo 🙏🙏😘

[@DavidRose-m8s]

Post war generation, They will use a two man cross cut saw as well. You can bet these guys have the full house of pre mechanical work skills.

[@Upuauta]

Doggo has a fun day with his old friends.

[@phillhuddleston9445]

They are working harder than 99% of the young people today!

[@realtruth4804]

you know whats even more genius? the modern technology they shun

[@alanjameson8664]

I remember reading about the same method being used to move firewood downhill in remote parts of France a century or two ago.

[@liamgross7217]

The is so much lost “practical knowhow”. Some of these amazing structures built in the past are the same. I’m 61 and I’m seeing so many widespread skills disappear even in my lifetime.

[@jerrytalley802]

I just chuckled when I thought, “I bet their shoes don’t last very long”, lol

[@lenny108]

They don't need a gym.

[@surferscollective613]

Much respect. I do wonder whether planting a woodlot a bit closer to home may he beneficial

[@KR72534]

You wouldn’t know from watching this, that Switzerland has one of the highest per capita income in the world.

[@COFFEE-e3p]

ONCE SWITZERLAND OPENS ITS BORDERS FOR A FREE FOR ALL , SHE WILL TURN INTO A 4TH WORLD SHIT HOLE JUST LIKE USA !!

[@AtengZaelani-l3q]

Good...i like transfortasion tradional...❤❤❤

[@peterstratten3087]

I should imagine that it’s done this way to preserve the forest and wildlife, protecting it from huge machines ripping up the countryside. Plus I would also think that it is pretty inaccessible to machinery.

[@brianliew5901]

@@peterstratten3087 Perhaps these people should be given a course regarding investments; Affordable machinery can handle heavy workload faster and more efficiently which in turn generated more income. It also saves a lot of time for other tasks which could also means more income.. The quicker money is earned, the more time one has 'cuz time is money. 🤑🤑🤑

[@mweskamppp]

It is the old ways from before machines. Too steep for horses too when there is a cart behind. I bet it was used for big stones too. Put two pieces of wood under the stone and let it glide over wood too. With some extra grease if needed.

[@nevadaboy9769]

I would guess it's because of there religion like Amish or something!

[@mweskamppp]

@@nevadaboy9769 No. Just Tradition. And it might be a protective forest that protects the farms from avalanches. Often the ground is sensitive to heavy equipment. Any damage of the ground might bring a danger to the farms in the long term.

[@williardyouger7257]

Like a wagon with wheels?

[@kebabitas]

You have to have hils for this. In our country we do this in winter - snow and ice helps a lot.

[@terryandrews49]

This is a lot of work but perhaps the only option for domestic level fire wood moving. The bridge sections have built up years of moss. So the tracks ways are generations old and repaired as they rot out. The truck looks like an adapted old military viechle

[@CarlDidur]

My mom talked about her grandpa's generation logging in the winter in northern Canada using sleds.

[@danvanhoose6783]

Work harder not smarter.

[@ndy_p-ke2vv]

一个谁不知道如何工作得很好，工作了很多。 He who does not know how to work well works hard.

[@maryhuckaby2239]

Wow! I envy those guys' stamina, strong hands, strong bones, courage and true grit, not to mention their ingenuity. I thought the old redwood forest loggers, in old photos, were amazing - tiny little figures with their tiny little saws next to the behemoth trees they cut down (300+ feet tall; 7-8 ft around!). They used cattle, partial railroads and sometimes, unfortunately, streams and rivers (destroying the fisheries) to get the logs off the mountains. Still, it was a slow, laborious process and they couldn't get every last ancient redwood - not until later when gas-powered mechanization came in and the redwood forest was decimated. If they had to do what the loggers in this vid are doing - ingenious carts and wood slat roads - they wouldn't have done such damage. But they were certainly as amazingly strong and true gritty as these clever men.

[@LLjean-qz7sb]

A lot more efficient than wheels!😊❤

[@elwoodanderson4149]

A 4 wheeler would blow his mind

[@paulbjork5976]

Amazing work. Teamwork makes the dream work.

[@cleenlivin]

Just when your teen or young adult baby starts complaining about how heavy, how hard and how tough it is to take the trash cans from inside the house outside, empty them into the trash can and roll the can to the curb you see this. You think you know hard work, these mature gentlemen would say move aside “man-by” I’ve got stuff to do.

[@ketas]

don't really recall it from my teens. chores sucked tho

[@Руслан-з8э4э]

@@ketas разные условия жизни

[@AnUnknownPlayer.]

What

[@lornaamar]

How resourceful!what a brilliant yet practical idea! I didnt expect this from a Caucasian of highly developed country where technologically advanced implements abound.

[@Bricksallday113]

Travelling through a forest of trees to get some wood is hilarious though. “Let’s get the furthest ones first.”

[@shizlittlebam]

You don't cut down living trees to burn for firewood. You'll have an awfully cold winter if you try burning green wood. You gotta find the good standing dead stuff. Try not being so dumb.

[@st-ex8506]

It's obvious you know nothing of forest management. Trees are selected for cutting, either because they have reached the right, or because they show signs of disease, or for some other practical reasons, NOT because of proximity to a road! These guys could have been my grand-father and some of his pals. That's precisely how it was done then in my native Swiss alpine valley. Even my mother's family name relate to the local word for the "chutes" cut through the forrest to "sleigh" down the logs during the winter.

[@smckay6438]

Next level ? Make it a tradition and let tourist pay to do it ?😊 You could give them a medal if they actually deliver all the wood !😊😊😊😊😊

[@josephleonard6231]

Technique ancestrale du schlittage dans les Vosges, qui avait été remise en lumière dans le film "Les grandes gueules", dans les années 1960 (Lino Ventura, Bourvil,...)

[@abbasvalarathodi1202]

Les grandes gueules

[@classicfuels]

wow this is awesome

[@closer2theheart684]

These old cats got to be strong as an ox.

[@BradfordKBenz]

what was that red stuff in the Pots

[@Carlos-uq8if]

Cristal,vidrio.😊

[@vnnd919]

They are making salt

[@lord_erdrick]

@@vnnd919 Fascinating. Thank you for giving a direction. The lack of video segment descriptors was a bit of an annoyance. It's Himalayan black salt, if anyone is further interested.

[@fatherrussell5303]

I remember when I got my first ruck. It was a beautiful day.

[@daverupes7022]

This is great. Simple is always better. Only a city person from some liberal area would say such dumb things about this process. Shocked by some of the dumb comments but hey someone had to have voted for Biden and harris😮

[@mweskamppp]

They could order some firewood by truck from a less steep area. But these people like the traditional ways and dont want to spend money for it. A truckload would probably cost them 1000 Dollars.

[@novampires223]

Are you sure they are liberals? We like to read about history, not burn it.

[@earlmcornell]

Here we go again a Trumper whining about getting wood🤡😭🦤💨

[@suscrofapro1691]

Hello dear uploader! Please tell me in which part of the world this video was made, because I can't get used to it! I'm curious about the first wooden sled story! Thanks!

[@morrisrush157]

And thats how the BK Whopper gets its flame broil taste around the world!

[@farriegos]

Que grande es el ser humano. Da lastima pensar que muchos oficios como estos, probablemente, se perdererán. Saludos desde Asturias.

[@LSDale]

Amish bobsled team

[@markus_bit.]

NOT- this is how they did it back then in the alps of north Italy, Austria and Switzerland. I still know Mountain-Farmers who carry their Hey this way down the Hill.

[@jamessykes2760]

Oh wow, these two are crushing it.