NATO 'has three years to prepare for Russian attack' | Ukraine: The Latest | Podcast

Day 648.
Today, further to news from Ukraine we cover further updates from the debate over funding and we speak to analyst Konrad Muzyka from Rochan Consulting to hear his analysis on the war in Winter 2023.
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Dominic Nicholls (Associate Editor, Defence). @DomNicholls on Twitter.
Konrad Muzyka (Rochan Consulting). @konrad_muzyka on Twitter.
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[@fandf888]

Make no mistake, from the start of this war, the Washington Post has taken a very negative stance toward Ukraine. I'm not saying they are lying, but their tone through the use of descriptive writing is very anti-Ukrainian, as it has been from the start of this conflict.

[@laurie9557]

I've noticed that, too.

[@Kath-nd6pj]

Yes, their turn of phase is as if they are accusing Ukraine for the audacity of even asking for help. That These fighters that have for the past year been face to face, day after day in the war zone may have a diffiert view of certain situations than some USA learners generals miles away, hiw dare they! Many analysts have noted that warfare with drones has moved on, western military is learning alternatives from thise n Ukraine all the time. As for disagreements within the Ukrainian leadership, Churchill was for ever at odds with the military minds, with allies leaders, with everyone at some time or other throughout the whole of WW2. Even more so than us puplic were ever nade aware of.

[@georgemcbride7857]

If were on the net their reporting would be called Clickbait. The Post is yellow journalism .

[@davidbrancaleone3039]

@fandf888 Well said! I have monitored them from the outset. Pandering to the Trumpish Republicans?

[@davidbrancaleone3039]

​​@@Kath-nd6pjexactly! Well said! I have read several biographies about Churchill which bear this out.

[@marisabenson1222]

Is the US and EU suffering from a collective learned helplessness? As to battle decisions I suspect the US has a mindset vastly different to Ukraine due to tbeir many resources, their consequent arrogance and their ignorance about Ukraine and Russia. Also the fact that they are not directly involved in the war. Ukraine must have agency and strategise within a framework of limited resources and personnel, insecurity of not knowing whether support eill continue and public support both domestically and internationally. If the US wanted them to win a swift victory why didn't they supply them fully when they could have?

[@williammorris584]

I think many in the US want a status quo ante. They don’t want Ukrainian successes sufficient to test the borders of Russian escalation, but would like for Ukraine to preserve its sovereignty. Even Lindsay Graham is now saying no more aid to Ukraine until we handle our own problems. European NATO members’ assets should be sufficient to achieve this, if they finally raised their spending to the levels expected of NATO members.

[@emildavidsen1404]

Lets not attribute to malice what can as easily be explained by incompetence.

[@briandbeaudin9166]

​@@emildavidsen1404or indifference

[@user-rq5dw6zf1o]

I’m American we are indefinite

[@Kath-nd6pj]

A cynic could say, they sell more weapons this way. Come up with the good stuff too fast, then less chance of getting rid of the unwanted near obsolete first. Saving on storage costs etc. But chances are they mostly feared Russia then Putin’s new friends in China, North Korea and India would get their hands on the more modern technology in ambush.

[@JonasWaldmensch]

still listening! Francis and Dom are supreme journalists ! they always expande my view on the conflict. Greetings from Germany

[@ralphvandereb66]

Lol bis jetzt lagen die fast immer falsch.

[@rufuscollis303]

😂😅😂

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@ralphvandereb66650 days

[@linmal2242]

And from Australia.

[@jeannettejordan7104]

When did WAR become a spectator sport for Monday morning quarterbacks? It’s important to have some respect for the seriousness of this situation. God help the Ukrainians whose lives and country depend on the outcome of this situation.

[@stream2watch]

Blame the grifters like Orban or the Ko-ok section of the more malcontent fringe of American politics.

[@skepticalbadger]

Around the time of the Crimean War, famously.

[@darrencorrigan8505]

Since the earliest battle war has been a spectator sport. In the past they were called those too old to fight, now we call them Generals.

[@dessmith7658]

They will do all the dying for the US

[@nickstone3113]

I see a world war developing. Once there is war logic goes out the window. The so called West is believing it can oppose Russia on the cheap. The Russians won't let us in the long run. They will make the west pay and not be too fussy about how it's done.

[@stream2watch]

The bots are scared. Look at how fast they pile in.

[@Serg_Bro]

👍🇺🇦🕊️

[@dessmith7658]

The dead are piling up aswell

[@rmdomainer9042]

@@dessmith7658 Indeed: The 80+ Russians in Hladkivka, Kherson Oblast almost fell in a cube shape yesterday. All because they stopped their trucks within HIMARS range.

[@ldhorricks]

and your point is?@@dessmith7658

[@GARDENER42]

@@dessmith7658 Yeah, most of them your Russian brethren.

[@thomasjamison2050]

Three things, IMO, to note here. 1. The US has not fought a war without massive superiority in air power since the early years of WWII, and as memory serves the US didn't do very well fighting like that. 2. The US is currently re-evaluating the structure of its forces as a result of what it has learned from the war in Ukraine, particularly in light of the usage of small drones. 3. As Ben Hodges always notes, the US, like the speakers here, has not fully committed to take the necessary steps to ensure that Ukraine wins this war.

[@ldhorricks]

quite right

[@tad27612]

The US didn't have massive air superiority in Korea or Vietnam. And Ben Hodges is a clown.

[@SS-zg6of]

Still the US strove for air dominance in each conflict, and in the Gulf War, we had MASSIVE air superiority@@tad27612

[@benlagging2265]

Neither Korea or Vietnam were Won by the US. Maybe Ben is a clown. I have no real idea about it. @@tad27612

[@ennediend2865]

Fully agreed👍

[@MC-el2us]

It’s an almost a sick joke they’re now blaming the country under attack for not doing enough with what they were given. AND THE REFUSED SO MUCH FOR SO LONG. It’s absolutely ridiculous.

[@gcoffey223]

What more could we give them? How many countries in Europe said if tgey got invaded, their military would be using rocks within hours? USA gave them several hundred billion alone. What more csn the world give them? Also, the fact that Ukraine can't account for a large portion of the aide the USA gave them and the UK gave them isn't a good look.

[@samanthagarbettcharles4205]

Biden is very sick ,he just gets off on seeing cities bombed to oblivion and killing loads of people ,which ever side he doesnt care .The world is run by narsasists

[@stariyczedun]

@@gcoffey223 give what is required or put boots on the ground. Otherwise US signature on treaties is worth nothing. Budapest memorandum, anyone? Ukraine gave up nukes for hollow promises of security.

[@gcoffey223]

@@stariyczedun To be enemies with the USA is bad. To be friends with the USA is fatal.

[@rmdomainer9042]

Do the bot farms even understand that they increase user interaction, almost guaranteeing that these videos trend.

[@tad27612]

But that's what Uke bots want.

[@rmdomainer9042]

@@tad27612 Ukrainian supporters are hardly ever bots though. Russians would have to be.

[@rmdomainer9042]

@@tad27612 The Ukrainian POV is the moral one. The Russian one is pure evil.

[@rmdomainer9042]

@@tad27612 The Ukrainian cause is the righteous one though.

[@noone6896]

@@rmdomainer9042 said every supporter of each side always in history...

[@F4R4D4Y]

The guest seems overly pessimistic. The Ukrainians time and again surprises such as the sinking of the Moskva without having a navy. Don't count out the Ukrainians.

[@scottyjzer3111]

He runs a company that deal with military intelligence over Russia, I think he knows better than us. Its very sobering and scary and not what we want to heat. But a reality check is needed

[@Mark4star1]

He sounds as if he was trained by the Russians and still has a post-Soviet awe and respect for them. Some of his previous statements have been negative to Ukraine and I wonder if he has a biase?

[@peetky8645]

guest was realistic. increased funding, better weapons and more troops are all fantasies. i'm sure biden has told ukraine that if they attack russian oil production, western support will end. this red line dooms ukraine.

[@W_Bin]

@@Mark4star1 Not the first time Telegraph has sponsored anti-Ukraine shills.

[@liamp.8826]

They cant even defeat UKR and they want to enter in a conflict with NATO?! 😂

[@BlackEpyon]

The way NATO has been hemming and hawing about actually giving Ukraine what they need to win, I'm not confident that Article 5 is even going to mean anything. Especially if Republicans in the US come back into power.

[@yoyoyoyo6266]

Nato/America couldn't even win in Afghanistan, theyre now too busy picking on palestine

[@pierluigidipietro8097]

The news currently are telling that ukrainan frontline is just collapsing.

[@JA-ft1qk]

Very true!

[@user-bu9ju5ic9h]

That’s because they suspect when it comes to backing each other up, allies will start to wobble!

[@ldhorricks]

Dom is clearly one of the most astute commentators there is in this conflict

[@ScottTR]

and extremely biased , would love to hear him debate with his pro rus twin.

[@HungryGhost999]

@@ScottTRbiased or optimistic? There’s a big difference.

[@daydays12]

I think his analysis of these Washington Post articles was spot on. He is honest and loyal.

[@sammenter1]

Francis is amazing

[@heezeh123]

Bit of a sobering episode... Hope the West can up it's game to change the 2024 outlook!

[@tomwisemaniii-mt4bw]

It’s been over for a long time, and these commentators are propagandists, bit objective journalists

[@robbie_]

@@tomwisemaniii-mt4bw Don't be silly.

[@CaseyChesshir]

@@robbie_ it was over before April 2022 and Boris Johnson threatened Ukraine to continue fighting

[@user-on5mf7fk3b]

Do it without us (America). We're sick and tired of being Europe's fool

[@robbie_]

@@user-on5mf7fk3b It's in America's strategic interest, Sergey. Doing nothing will cost the US a lot more.

[@leannastoufer6333]

"The West has agency. We are not victims." It is important that we all hold our western governments accountable, remind them that we have agency, and that we need to be on the right side of history; supporting Ukraine and facilitating their victory as soon as possible. None of us want a world in which Russia expands into Europe, and in which they assume they can expand as and when they choose.

[@JonesP77]

Russia doesnt have any interest in expanding its land into europe. It cant do that and russia knows that! They cant win against NATO! And Ukraine winning is not an option right now. They already lost! Thats the sad reality. It doesnt matter how much weapons we send or not. We have to face reality. The longer ukraine doesnt accept its defeit, the more it will loose. Russia is not crazy, no matter how much the media wants it to be true. We can make sensible deals with russia and start to talk to them. But we have to accept that ukraine has lost! That takes some strength & some will to do it!

[@imperatorvespasian3125]

actually most of the world would not care less if Russia gave Europe a slap around

[@davidbrancaleone3039]

​@@imperatorvespasian3125so speaks a RUSKIE TROLL. Trolls DETEST this programme because it is so good. Excellent research and very well explained. GET OUT OF UKRAINE ORCS

[@petrufrenc576]

Rusia expanding is bad, but of course, expansion or american influence is good. Or is it just less bad than russia?

[@kisfekete]

Most of the insensitive comments come from people who never lived in the Russian sphere of influence and experienced the mind-boggling corruption, dysfunction, and destitution inside. Yeah, Europe is bad, yeah, the US is bad, bud cupcakes... it's nowhere near to how bad things are in Russia. And the Ukrainians under Russian boot, they have it bad for real.

[@sammenter1]

What a sobering and worrying podcast. I will never give up on Ukraine. Slava Ukraini 🇬🇧🇺🇦

[@karenhawkins8510]

I am 100% behind Ukraine but this was a sobering look at things.

[@user-on5mf7fk3b]

Z's about to overthrown. Ukraine is done. We Americans are pulling the plug on this war.

[@gcoffey223]

I'm hoping Ukraine can hold on for a few more years, maybe NATO and EU will not have to lend support to their allies, like Israel

[@dessmith7658]

Game over for Ukraine

[@user-xv6vk3nd8p]

A rift between field commander and political leadership is not without precedent. There will always be divergent aims Lloyd George -Robinson-Haig, Churchill-Brooke-Monty, Roosevelt-Marshall-Eisenhower. Key is the leader in the middle. The greatest threat to victory in Ukraine is exactly what Putin expects and what the US and some European nations are demonstrating, that is lack of will, fortitude, imperative and selfishness by the political class not the people they govern. Ukraine must get back the 1991 borders.

[@Kath-nd6pj]

Exactly, my observation too. Whenever I see anything about Churchill and WW2 it is about some arguement or disagreement brewing up with angry bellowing going on. War makes for passionate speeches. It take guts and persivierence to see these things through, getting tetchy when times are tough is inevitable. Sitting oceans away calmly peering over a map is a completely different setup.

[@operator9858]

Were those folks trying to eliminate one another in a power struggle? Because the ukrainians certainly are...

[@dessmith7658]

Churchill was a pissed idiot who got everybody killed

[@Serg_Bro]

Thanks to everyone who support Ukraine! We will win together! ✌️🤝♥️🇺🇦

[@cockneycharm3970]

US isn't or the EU

[@marisabenson1222]

​@@cockneycharm3970wrong

[@Nitrocrazy101]

@@cockneycharm3970 we support Ukraine not russia

[@dessmith7658]

Game over

[@Serg_Bro]

@@dessmith7658 Terrorussia game over

[@jamesbohlman4297]

We got pounded at Kasarine Pass. We enjoyed repeated defeats in night surface actions at the hands of a skilled Japanese Navy. This went on until the summer of 1943. Our merchant marine was slaughtered within sight of the Eastern Seaboard until one brave soul called for a blackout of coastal cities. Pearl Harbor was an unmitigated disaster. So we are going around thinking we have a gripe over a conflict that has been going on longer than we have been a country. Get off of it and be thankful it's not us fighting this one.

[@Kath-nd6pj]

Yes, and in 1943 there were massive amounts of calls within the USA for them to pull out of WW2. A huge scale PR job was undertaken to keep the people on board and continue with Boston Wars Bonds, recruitment etc.

[@sbirchsbirch6232]

Sounds like Russian warfare. Taking it on the chin for ages, only then slowly adapting.

[@robbie_]

The USA had a massive industrial base which took about 18 months to really get going. It made so much it was able to provide no only its own (huge) army with equipment but the British and part of the Soviet as well. That's not happening here and isn't likely to happen either. It's just not possible to do that with the domestic political situation.

[@gilibran]

The US had 330.000 men in active service when Pearl Harbor was attacked, 4 years later 16 million and the first army in the world to be fully motorized and providing for their allies at the same time. The amount of goods send through the lendlease is just mindboggling considering at the same time they expanded, supplied and trained their own army ready for combat. Offcourse mistakes were going to be made and defeats were inevitable, but considering that the US was just emerging from a 20 year period of appeasement and isolationist policies they deserve all the respect in the world. What they did after the Korean war upto the withdrawel from Afghanistan is a whole other discussion.

[@sergeybobkov951]

The fact that NATO military brass pushed Ukraine into a counter-offensive in the first place was downright criminal. Whoever was the arrogant genius who threw men with 6 weeks’ worth of training (which was inadequate and outdated even by Ukrainian standards) on fully entrenched Russian mechanized brigades reinforced by mine fields, heavy artillery, and air support needs to get stripped off his rank. It surely as hell wasn’t Zaluzhny’s own idea, as he was famously against this offensive. And the fact that Biden administration tied future funding to its success was also criminal.

[@HungryGhost999]

Ok comrade. Blame everything on Biden. It’s Putin that started this war. Wake up.

[@jameswebber2943]

the second point is essential

[@oleglisnovitch9883]

It is obvious for me that Biden is putin’s stooge in disguise.

[@sammenter1]

Absolutely and the republicans are blocking any more military support. I hope Biden manages to release new military funding and give Ukraine all capabilities they desperately need. Slava Ukraini 🇬🇧🇺🇦

[@Tespri]

This is a lie. All I saw was headlines of NATO telling Okraine not to do counter-offensive and instead resort to battle of attrition while building up their forces for real assault.

[@johncbattersby]

It isn't combined arms warfare if air power is not included so it is rather rich for Western commentators to criticise the Ukrainian's for not do CAW well.

[@SHAD0WZOMBIE]

Slava Ukraine!

[@Serg_Bro]

Geroyam Slava! ✌️✊🇺🇦🕊️

[@falcon4212]

game over

[@Serg_Bro]

@@falcon4212 your mind over

[@GARDENER42]

@@falcon4212 For all Russofascist filth it is.

[@marcl3763]

dont be a sheep

[@Paulus8765]

Some guests are of such calibre that they shouldn't be rushed. "We're running out of time" should be forbidden on days like this.

[@annetteroennow9694]

Absolutely outstanding reporting and interviews!! Can't say how much I appreciate your pod. From the US and Denmark, never miss one podcast.

[@Scitch-et4vk]

😂😂

[@MC-el2us]

The wests reticence is exceedingly worrying

[@billyungen]

Excellent broadcast -- as always. But I believe that the tone of the show presumes too much that the elements of the war that we see today may well be driving the war in the near (or distant) future. That is neither the nature of politics or of war (politics by other means). The Russian mothers might yet have their day. Trump might not end up with the Republican nomination in the U.S There is even the possibility that Nikki Haley (a real Thatcherite on the subject of Russia and Putin) could conceivably win the nomination. The Russian economy may turn out to be far more fragile that Western economists believe. (They were totally wrong in the late 1980s when Russia was bankrupt.) There are so many factors that are utterly unknowable. My optimism is yet to be dampened.

[@dylanthomas12321]

Can Trump win election if he's a convicted felon? That will say a lot.

[@airhabairhab]

Haha there is 0 chance Nikki Haley wins the nomination. Even if Trump dropped dead the powers that be would pivot to Vivek or DeSantis.

[@seanniemeyer5437]

Well said

[@donaldflett1504]

Greetings from a 75 year old American civil engineer living in Kherson through out the war. Great podcast; I listen every day. I like HIMARS which were very helpful in liberating the city last year. Ukraine, I understand, asked for 100 in June, 2022. They got only 38 to date. Lockheed Martin made 540 overall. Their delivery to Ukraine has not been escalatory. 62 can be sent tomorrow. We may be able to force the river crossing with that. I'm very familiar with the river near Livove' and it is feasible. We of course will need air cover and that can come from the Gerald R. Ford carrier with in air refueling. This is of course a gross over simplification but I would be interested in Konrad's opinion.

[@HungryGhost999]

Greetings from the UK 🙏

[@Niall101a]

cool story bro

[@osric1730]

Providing air cover would entail a massive campaign to wipe out Russian air defenses, which would amount to a declaration of war.

[@dessmith7658]

Aye, there's the rub

[@miriamweller812]

@@osric1730 Pointless to tell that to fanatic idiots, they will never understand how evil and insane they are. Typical for fascists to deny reality.

[@edmondthompson1523]

Good to have a tough review. Hope we use the lessons well to assist Ukraine.

[@davidbrancaleone3039]

@edmondthompson1523 well yes, though Major Dom Nicholls shows the bias in the way the review us framed, using emotive language where it is fair to expect more balance and less emotional pumping, even if that might appeal to more potential readers.

[@peetky8645]

increased funding, more better weapons, more troops volunteering are all fantasies

[@ulfsoderberg2581]

I heard that the everage age of soldiers in Ukraine is 43 year. Is it?

[@seanniemeyer5437]

Its the average age of soldiers on both sides.

[@edc1569]

conscript yes, but theres lots of jobs in a war, not just being infantry.,

[@peetky8645]

@@seanniemeyer5437 agree

[@burritosls]

@@seanniemeyer5437 In Ukraine, the average age of a soldier is already about 50. There are no young people left there. Either they died or they escaped. In Russia, 30-35 years old. There are also very young ones - 18-20. There are older ones, 40-45.

[@seanniemeyer5437]

@burritosls have a listen to "Perun" his latest post covers this situation quite well. Basically there are more men who don't meet the requirements of exemption to the draft in both the Russian federation and Ukraine that are aged 40-50, than those who are younger. It is the reason why Russian KIAs average age is 45. The same applies to Ukraine.

[@operator9858]

If nato only has 3 years to prepare for the 'imminent' russian invasion (lol) that must mean russia is winning by a large margin dunnit?

[@mateobravo9212]

36 months until the unthinkable. I hope Europe wakes up from it's slumber. I hope.

[@todd1770]

😅😅😅😅😅yes yes we heard it all before...

[@tad27612]

European slumber consisted of the delusion of Russian weakness and refusing to negotiate.

[@seanniemeyer5437]

What is the unthinkable? A couple of million mobilised Russians on antique soviet military equipment attempting to attack NATO? The collapse of the Ukrainian government/ military? Nuclear holocaust?

[@Intel-i7-9700k]

First the allmighthy Challenger II tanks were going to steamroll Russian defenses, then the Ukrainians were forbidden from using British tanks in combat, now we are supposed to get scared a supposedly unreasonable and irrational Russia randomly attacking its neighbors? Mate, take a step back and touch some grass.

[@miriamweller812]

And leave NATO? Unlikely. Our ultra corrupt governments don't care.

[@tonymazzeo9240]

I agree with Don final comments. As an American, our politicians create fatigue but we all will stand strong until victory as Don points out this is part of the journey. I see alot of lessons learned slowly.

[@davorbuklijas1777]

People complaining about "FATIGUE" are FAT, safe, drinking their coffe and seeing war as a news spectacle in comfort of their homes, while Ukrainians are fighting in freezing trenches against second army in the world by size, and do not complain about any "FATIGUE". Fuckin hell people

[@KathysGuess]

Lend Lease, how much has Ukraine utilized Lend Lease passed by US Congress in spring of 2022? It seems to me not at all. If Ukraine has utilized Lend Lease to what extent, if Ukraine has not utilized the program Why Not? This program, the same one that saved Europe and Moscow in WWII, is a golden bridge to success over Moscow for Ukraine 🇺🇦 Surely 🇺🇦could use a thousand or two more Bradley; and Boats for the Dnipro left bank offensive? How fast can the USA get these and other eligible supplies to Ukraine. Maybe Ben Hodges could answer these questions?

[@lorigoetz4078]

Lend- lease ended in Sept. If a new package is passed, lend- lease will be considered again as an amendment to add to the package

[@marymckenzie9298]

The US has to utilize it. We haven't given Ukraine what they asked for. It was utterly a publicity stunt by the US.

[@RightSideNews]

Although disappointing, its good to hear the real talk from Konrad. He was vary good guest.

[@charlessevigny]

Ukraine hitched their wagon to the wrong horse

[@alanchristensen5735]

Excellent work! I value your reporting. As an American I'm angry at the Republicans in Congress who seem to be doing nothing. Ukrainians victory is in the best interest of the free world. SLAVA UKRAINI

[@Tespri]

But not angry at democrats for allowing ruzzia to build up for conflict?

[@osric1730]

@@Tespri And how would they have prevented that exactly?

[@Tespri]

@@osric1730 They didn't intervene when Ruzzia started it in 2014 and Clintons were selling weapons to ruzzia

[@rodrigoescalante5456]

The fatal mistake was done by Ukraine when they believed the vane promise of support up to the end. It seems as if the end is coming.

[@Jszar]

Please interview the 102-year-old veteran. I'd love to hear his observations directly.

[@93TIAGO]

I can't believe that European leaders are paralyzed and full of fear in the face of the constant threat from a single country. Enough of cowards... Europe needs strong and competent leaders to defend and fight for their own home.

[@lewisjohnson8297]

Unfortunately, there are many who seem to think that it should be their privilege to forget history's lessons. They seem to think that, if they wish hard enough for a scheme to work, it will! Historical experience be damned!

[@simonlyndon9496]

I think I’d want to start any research of the Ukrainian war effort by asking the involved Western ‘experts’ what they were wrong about prior to the start of the full scale war and how their opinions have changed month by month. It seems that many of these people would probably start by defending themselves and explaining why their ideas remain valid. In which case they probably need to be replaced. If the West is to avoid the usual first phase of most wars where such people find out their theories are deeply flawed and that the peacetime military is hopelessly outclassed.

[@marktuffield6519]

Well I think that was one of the best of these podcasts that there has been in a long time both thoughtful and sobering. I have to confess that I lost interest and gave up on the Snyder diatribe very early on. To dismiss the view or concept of a stalemate is ridiculous because from my viewpoint what we have on the battlefield is very much a WW1 style stalemate, what then becomes important is how either side handles it and tries to overcome it. This can be both localised and strategic. I have said before that the war echoes WW1 for me far more than WW2, the use of drones has mimicked the development of aviation in WW1 and we are seeing a learning process. As someone notes below what Ukraine has achieved at sea and in long range strikes in Russia is quite remarkable. I am also glad that Dom addressed the fatigue issue and I would agree with him. I believe that the naval historian Andrew Lambert argues that Germany lost the war on 8th December 1914 when they lost the Battle of the Falkland Islands, they just had to realise it. Having failed on land to take Paris in 1914, their next attempt to break the stalemate is in March of 1918, the failure of which ultimately lead to their defeat. It is possible to argue that the onus is now on Russia to do something, like France in WW1 or Britain in WW2 to win, perhaps all Ukraine has to do is survive.

[@airhabairhab]

Well said, even General Zaluzhny used the word “Stalemate” but Mr Snyders ideology won’t let he live in reality. We forget that every country even Ukraine and the West pump out Propaganda and we the public accept it. Sadly people like Timothy Snyder as well as some of the more extremist guests of this show chose to live in an ideologue, black and white world that is far from the actual reality of the real world. Ultimately ignoring reality will hurt Ukraine. 🇺🇦

[@seanniemeyer5437]

Well said

[@grzegorzdomysawski5413]

Thousands of young ujrainians escaped abroad they do not want to fight for corrupted goverments and oligarhs

[@chieftandriver703]

Hmmmm, the U.K. has not increased its defence budget. It is not embarking on a rearmament programme and it has just slashed the number of AWACS it has on order, cut its IFV update programme leaving the Warrior as an obsolete vehicle by its own admission, is selling off 48 Typhoons leaving an offensive air capability of about 130 planes, has cut the number of tanks from 227 to 148 for entry to service in 2030. The U.K. has also just mothballed 2 LPD’s and 2 fleet oilers sit unused in Liverpool, sold off its Hercules fleet, has not even decided on a replacement for the Land Rover yet, has given 39 AS90 to Ukraine and replaced them with 14!!!!!!!!! Archers. The army is also being CUT by 10,000 soldiers. So how exactly is Russia a threat? Normally countries re-arm to face a threat. The U.K. is disarming at an alarming rate so ergo, Russia is not a threat

[@varionbranzuela6894]

I'm interested in zaluzhny vs zelensky

[@laurie9557]

Per Podolyak, the supposed tension between the two is not really a thing.

[@shanecagney7451]

Wow. Excellent episode.

[@Shining237]

The Donbass Region was annexed into The Russian Federation late last year. Nothing will change this painful fact for Ukraine and it can't be undone.

[@oleksiifrolov4074]

34:37 Well, of course, we'd need to negotiate and, moreover, withdraw from some areas if the allies get reluctant to support us. But try to pull your head off the sand to notice that it's always been articulated by the President and mostly every other Ukrainian that the victory is the de-occupation of all Ukrainian territories.

[@AylerProductions]

I'm saving that clip at 9:45 speaking of agency and how were are not subjected to not having a right to freedom of press

[@jaymacpherson8167]

For me, raising the feelings of fatigue is to throw cold water on hope. Of course there is fatigue, of course there is fear. Just because they are real feelings, does it mean we should dwell on them? Where is the advantage? Would the Allies of WWII be wise to moan about the fatigue generated by the conflicts?

[@davorbuklijas1777]

People complaining about "FATIGUE" are FAT, safe, drinking their coffe and seeing war as a news spectacle in comfort of their homes, while Ukrainians are fighting in freezing trenches against second army in the world by size, and do not complain about any "FATIGUE". Fuckin hell people

[@jmguitartuitionuk]

How well do we think Desert Storm would have gone with Iraqi air and artillery superiority? It's amazing the counter offensive got as far as it did, never mind the battering they gave the Russian Navy as a side note. I just hope the Ukrainians can sit tight defensively and husband their resources until the F-16s arrive - and meanwhile keep luring the Russians on to their guns. NATO needs to realise that the Ukrainian border with Russia is what the Inner German Border used to be during the Cold War and act accordingly. Our fleet of Challengers was built to defend it - they should all be sent as an example to others.

[@teddited9682]

Love Dom!

[@guydreamr]

The combined economies of the NATO countries are 31 times that of Russia's. We've got this folks, easily.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Excellent as ever

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

What a pessemistic guest. Though I appreciate Dom sticking up for all the people who are fatigued due to the economic effects of the war. I would like to see Dr Snyder try to tell a family relying on food banks to get by (thanks to the poor economic situation caused by the war) that they have no right to feel fatigued because they're not fighting. I think he would earn himself a bloody nose.

[@davorbuklijas1777]

People complaining about "FATIGUE" are FAT, safe, drinking their coffe and seeing war as a news spectacle in comfort of their homes, while Ukrainians are fighting in freezing trenches against second army in the world by size, and do not complain about any "FATIGUE". Fuckin hell people

[@mightofmjolnir6827]

if it's ammo they're struggling to replace... i do know that even with the Russian sanctions that went into place the US was still receiving imports of Russian ammo as they fulfilled their contract... the US is sitting on top of i think it was about 750 million rounds of 7.62x39 ammo if i recall Brandon Hererra mention in a video last year sometime... and it's just sitting in a warehouse as everyone complains about an "ammo shortage"... it wouldn't be that hard to pack it all up on a boat and send it over to them... they could just throw Russian made ammo back at them for next to nothing!

[@samanthagarbettcharles4205]

They dont realy want Ukraine to win they just like pissing Putin off .

[@tommysmith8064]

Perhaps Ukraine can agree to help the US by manufacturing border wall sections after the war and the US can help Ukraine win the war now. or perhaps the southern refugees wanting to cross into a free and democratic country could be given transportation to Ukraine and help build American border wall sections, or help Ukraine defend itself in exchange for Ukrainian citizenship. Everybody wins and both Democrats and Republicans are happy as well as the borders of the US and Ukraine are secured.

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

We should have kept the Warsaw pact around as non nato buffer zone.

[@martavdz4972]

From the Warsaw Pact: noooo thanks. Also, does anyone actually know what "buffer zone" really means?

[@LyubomirIko]

From the Warsaw Pact: Yes, yes, yes. Merica should get their military bases off my soil and get the f out off my country. Even during the USSR my country was not hosting foreign military bases on my soil. Even our president can't enter the Merica's bases on my soil today.

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

To elaborate, central europe ideally should have formed its own defensive pact and would have put its own security interest first and not subject to the machiavellians of Washington or Moscow. The west is obviously more appealing than the east but as the old saying goes the blue in the flag of Poland represents strong loyal allies.

[@Intel-i7-9700k]

Sadly, Russia has sustained great reputation damage due to communism and typical totalitarian misbehaviour because of that cancerous ideology. It will take a long time to repair that reputation, but it can happen.

[@Gayzenon]

❤Ukrainian ❤

[@dessmith7658]

The Ukraine investment is a sunk cost fallacy

[@hutch22925]

Fantastic reporting. Keep up the great work UTL

[@nickstone3113]

The most important comment was the very last. And the comments of the 102 yr old RAF veteran.

[@josephcollins3763]

Already writing the next narratives eh ye TIDY SLAPPERS

[@sorbethyena3828]

I really want to know details about the number of troops in Ukraine that have been trained by the west, the number of troops outside of Ukraine that are currently being trained by the west etc.

[@martavdz4972]

Isn't that a military secret?

[@burritosls]

About 50,000

[@jamesgreen1116]

They've been trained by nato since 2014 😂

[@leenickshramko1100]

It’s unfortunate that there is no one articulating the strategic victories Yktaine has achieved- by pushing back Russia’s navy from the Black Sea ( what’s left of the Russian Navy) by using amphibious drones. Remarkable! No one is talking about how much damaged Ukraine has done to Russias supply storage facilities and their few methods of delivery. All of these actions and more very targeted and thoughtful strikes are so much more important than meters of soil at this point. But the narratives about meters of soil is allowed to drown out real ingenuousness. Ofcourse there is criticism, people are tired and it is now the US should be lifting up , not tearing down. The fact that since Oct 7, both Hamas and soon Irans President will be welcomed into Moscow for an audience with Putin. Alarm bells should be going off all over the place!

[@timothykatende8484]

Francis's submissions on the Washington Post is exactly what Rloand Nolipharth had warned about before the counter offensive started and I quote him " Reality is gonna throw up its own drama" ..for over 1i months we had been told by the likes of Dom and Francis that the Russians were poorly trained, poorly equipped, poorly fed, lack winter gear,lack morale..etc and yet we are now hearing that a NATO trained and equipped army actually lacked training ...this is totally unacceptable ..how could an army that is receiving Intel from over 50 wealth Nations ,50 different Army Generals with differing levels of experience , with all.the money and equipment fail to break down a degraded and disorganised army of the Russians ..Please bring back Roland and ask him how he got it all correct while the rest of the team failed totally

[@Austin077]

Acting like Russia is going to attack NATO is almost laughable

[@danehardinge8801]

peace in our time

[@tomwisemaniii-mt4bw]

It’s absurd

[@__Slingy__]

Yeah ! As absurd as attacking Ukraine has proven to be !

[@stephenhill545]

The propagandists in Russia called the idea of Russiz attacking Ukraine western hysteria. That dated well.

[@dylanthomas12321]

I worry that if Trump becomes president he would not honor NATO commitments, and not only Putin but many European leaders think the same.

[@lewisjohnson8297]

Good discussion, despite hearing things that I'd rather not.

[@user-yc4xf8cv5y]

50 countries and USA proxy Ukraine against Russia and they lost 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ssg9offical]

russia has nothing to attack with.

[@robertdavies6630]

Nothing left that is

[@williammorris584]

Not exactly, check ISW. The Russians are advancing on at least three axes in the Avdiika and Bakhmut areas.

[@dessmith7658]

Only shovels

[@robertdavies6630]

@@dessmith7658 what the shovels going to do

[@BlackEpyon]

And if the naysayers in the West are to be believed, NATO has nothing to defend themselves with, or they'd have given it to Ukraine already. This is obviously bullshit, but this whole "we can't afford to support Ukraine when we have problems at home" attitude is like a millionaire claiming that he's sure love to buy that homeless guy at the corner a McDonald's Big Mac meal, but he's got to worry about feeding his own family!

[@amunra5330]

3 years...the Ukraine frontline is collapsing right now. The Russians are on the offensive and they just to took 2 more towns!

[@timotheusvanesch3959]

"Intercepted": My first guess is EW.

[@tommysmith8064]

I'd like to expand that a little bit: Perhaps Ukraine can agree to help the US by manufacturing border wall sections and shipping the back to the US after the conclusion of the Ruso-Ukranian war and the and can help Ukraine actually win the war now instead of barely defending itself. Or perhaps the southern refugees wanting to cross into a free and democratic country, like the United States or Ukraine, could be given transportation to Ukraine and help build American border wall sections, or help Ukraine defend itself in exchange for Ukranian citizenship. Ukraine is losing it's population and needs an influx of new population and workers and perhaps soldiers who might be willing to earn their citizenship for themselves and their families. The immigrants are fleeing an autocratic government so will be empathetic to the Ukranianian's plight and fight. This would satisfy the Republicans in the American congress and help America solve the immigration problem, at the same time it would free up funds that the Republicans want to spend on the immigration issue that can be spent to help Ukraine. Everybody wins, including the immigrants and Ukranians, and both Democrats and Republicans are happy as well, and the borders of the US and Ukraine are secured.

[@WalterPaulKomarnicki]

sounds like a win/win situation!

[@SirJethroBodine]

Helplessness is a choice made by NATO/EU/USA If alliance that has 8 times the population and 20 times the GDP of Russia cannot protect itself from Russia, who is at fault?

[@FinUgShiet]

6:20 These companies are run by Gabriel Temin and they're Luminor Oy and Siberica Oy

[@martinmosdell432]

Surely even putin , can't be that stupid to tell the enemy , your going to attack them.

[@whyukraine]

As a trainee in the Ukrainian army, I find Dom's apologetic to be a thin list of excuses.

[@Niall101a]

wut?

[@DDD-xx4mg]

Ukraine army has very short life expectancy. Watch out for those drones.

[@alexmood6407]

Ukraine should take a peace deal offered in March 2022. Instead, led by a comedian, was persuaded by another comedian (BoJo) to walk away from the peace talks. It’s a tragedy.

[@marcl3763]

true. its called greed. people profit from war/ invest in the companies that make the bombs and bullets/ why would they want to stop the war when they are making money.

[@tyllerboomgaarden7344]

The U.S. is the leader in practical drone applications in war. Not to mention, outside of Ukraine, has the most living experience fighting area denial warfare from mines and IED's. I'm not saying the ukranian position is wrong, it's probably right. But the position the U.S. is coming from is 2 decades of practical experience.

[@ahartify]

The Telegraph doesn't normally get things right, but they certainly have got it right here.

[@Carol-cs4yk]

Love this podcast. I try to listen every day. I have not taken my eyes off this war since it started. So ashamed of our government right now for the delay in funding for Ukraine. It’s shameful behavior on the part of our congress. I swear some of them are putin or russin supporters. GLORY TO UKRAINE !💙💛🔱🌻💪🇺🇦🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️🇺🇸

[@claireanddexter]

Oh god what a heavy episode. It looks so bleak. How can it be that we are abandoning them!! I cannot help but feel that the Western rich nations have provided such a comfortable life for our generation that we are now ill prepared to fight for what is right. No one wants to be that guy that got captured, crippled or killed, so how do we motivate our populations to care?

[@operator9858]

After a century of corrupt western wars with no more then a 5 year gap between them where we end up losing or turning them into debacle? Good luck trying to convince us to go to bat yet again. Especially for someplace like ukraine...

[@Intel-i7-9700k]

How can it be? Because everyone who called out the bad idea that NATO approach on Ukraine was, was called a Putin propagandist. NATO and everyone supporting NATO's misbehaviour is going to have to live with being the primary cause for a conflict that has cost hundreds of thousands of young lives.

[@gustav8310]

I think it’s delusional to think Ukraine can win this ,stop the war and save lives.

[@SaMiDauSiEuCuParerea-cf4zm]

What does he say at 40:45? "The US have thousands of..." M103? Not sure bc M103s are old, slow and not up to date for modern warfare. I think he says something else but I cannot understand.

[@westwindsailer]

M113.

[@johnbooth3073]

He said that the Ukrainians really rate the M113 APC and US has thousands of them standing around unused.

[@seanniemeyer5437]

M113 is a cold war era APC. The west has thousands of them in storage.

[@peetky8645]

@@johnbooth3073 seems like the M113 is just a target at this point

[@Snoopy-apollo]

This is a load of hooplah. They have been saying the same since the 1950's!!

[@Vonfleet]

With all due respect to Francis, I think to dismiss the Polish take on things as alarmist is a bit naive. Based on the flaccid response I've seen out of the West thus far, it would not surprise me at all if Putin would doubt the resolve of NATO. In fact, I now doubt the resolve of NATO, and certain member states participation should article 5 be invoked. Given the rise of fascism around the world, especially here in the U.S., and some member states actually being sympathetic to Putin, combined with a possible second Trump presidency that will likely undermine NATO, well, I think the Poles are not that far off.

[@jameswebber2943]

well that won't last long.

[@janetbarkwith]

It beats me completely why America believes it can and should dictate tactics and strategy to the Ukrainians, given the fact that America has lost countless troops and materiel, and hasn't won a war since joining with the Brits (and Russia, incidentally) to defeat Hitler, despite going in gung-ho with all guns blazing to numerous places in the world since 1945. It's no good them throwing their toys out of the pram because the Ukrainians decide to take a different path. They know their country, their personnel, their enemy, and also their own limitations. Offer advice, by all means, but leave the Ukrainians to fight their own war with as much help as possible from the West.

[@bubbajim2863]

*ALL UNICORNS AND COTTON CANDY ON THIS DESPERATE CHANNEL, EH WHAT???? LOLOL!!!!*

[@rufuscollis303]

🍒🍒🍒

[@hillelderman]

I think the pessimism in this report is an inaccurate picture of this war. Ukraine can lose Avdivka just like it lost Bakhmut and still be winning the war. Ukraine is fast depleting Russian hardware. Eventually, and it might happen all at once, the Russian lines will collapse because they will run out irreplaceable resources

[@jamesgreen1116]

😂 we've been hearing that since Feb 22. Russia WON'T run out of weapons. They are producing a lot more than the whole of nato combined 24/7. Try watching something else apart from western media.

[@dessmith7658]

Might not happen

[@georgeosei269]

And Ukraine also has 3 years to check zelensky brain's

[@vasilisvasili3231]

Finally, a serious commentator

[@vanveakrin276]

China has sold 2000 light 🚑 vehicles for Mud terrain..

[@user-yc4xf8cv5y]

Evil UK is falling 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jamesgreen1116]

The uk is many years behind China its hilarious 😂

[@jimgritty7064]

So many commercials, great content tho

[@eltontonge4186]

Ya not even got that😂😂😂

[@oleksiifrolov4074]

27:00 The "journalists" could f*** themselves with this article

[@iancurtis1152]

Putin says “I’ll use Nukes!!!” Western Leaders go😲😲😲😲😲😲😱😱😱😱😱 Then Putin goes😈😇then he puts on his favourite Rolling Stones song and sings “Ti ah ah ime..is on my side, yes it is”🤭

[@strengthknowledgeinstinctr2575]

Come on Russia

[@phillipneale5256]

Fall off your bike numnut.