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[@magnusprime962]

I think the high school setting was actually a smart call. If you’re doing a modern update of Shrew, you have to acknowledge that the plot doesn’t really work with adults, both because 90’s parents aren’t going to stop their 20+ year-old daughters from dating, and a lot of the actions taken in pursuit of Bianca are rather silly. But if you make the characters high schoolers, their sillier choices can be justified by them being young and stupid, and you can swap out marrying for dating. It’s a win-win. One other note: Julia Stiles was great in this movie. The way she breaks down upon reading the titular poem is heartbreaking to watch. It’s a shame she tends to fly under the radar, because she’s a genuinely great actress.

[@cmm5542]

I think Taming, for a modern setting, shouldn't be about the 'romance' at all. It really ISN'T a romance but social commentary. If I did a modern production, Katherina would be a spoiled brat rich girl no one wants to hire because she has no 'team spirit.' And the Petruchio character, who doesn't have to be male, is the ONLY employer who will give her a chance but holds her to company standards. I think it would showcase the original message much better; we don't see marriage as a job anymore like people did back then.

[@crazychickenakame]

You can be underwhelmed and overwhelmed, but can you just be whelmed?

[@JillBearup]

I think you can in Europe?

[@stevenredpath9332]

I have been whelmed and also gruntled. But I do live in the continent of Eurasia.

[@WatchMeRead]

Ah to binge content from a creator that has videos from 8 years back 😌

[@addiemiller9677]

Lol, yep

[@TeylaDex]

That is what we do in these times.

[@James-yz4gw]

Right?

[@BethAnnMayberry]

YES! I am a new subscriber and truly loving her takes on everything from Princess Bride to Sherlock to Captain Marvel. It's just the BEST to find an awesome content creator with an extensive back catalog.

[@bookwormdownunder]

Same

[@aaronleverton4221]

" *That's* for making my date bleed. *That's* for my sister and *that's* for me!" The best punctuated line a girl has had in film ever.

[@sarosenna5850]

I mean, I'd argue that teens don't have questionable taste so much as they're exposed to questionable content because people get that audience wrong. To be fair.

[@JillBearup]

Probably fair. Though I had questionable taste as a teenager. I still have questionable taste, to be fair. Just...less questionable? 😁

[@sarosenna5850]

@@JillBearup At least you question 'em! :)

[@JillBearup]

I like that attitude 🤣

[@ellenmarch3095]

Having taught hundreds of teens, I emphatically agree with Sarosenna. Chronically misunderstood, legitimately. There's always communication breakdown between teens and adults, especially parents who are generally trying their absolutely best but can't help but still see the adorable 8 year old overlayed on top of this gangly, rebellious... thing, and the poor teen who's trying their best to learn how to differentiate themselves and be an adult, while not quiiiiite being there 100% in all areas. Infinite variety; hijinks ensue. Movie tropes stereotype too much to have any hope of hitting details. ❤

[@TheMimiSard]

@@JillBearup I have a theory, questionable tastes with experience.

[@Ttoby89]

I think it's a little bit rude not to give Julia Stiles some credit not just for carrying this thing as the protagonist, but for her Big Speech. She did this thing just as much as Heath, although she's still with us.

[@petrastedman669]

Apparently the take in the movie (the first they did, iirc; possibly only take) was used because she sort of spontaneously started crying and still managed to deliver the lines and it was perfectly in character for the moment.

[@ianism3]

I think it's more down to Jill Bearup being more attracted to Heath than to Julia ahha

[@Amaranthyne]

I watched a version of The Taming of the Shrew at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival. Best director I can conceive of. He made it so that Katarina figures out that if she gives Petrucchio an inch, she can take a mile! It is now my head cannon.

[@dclore]

This movie is easily in my top 5 movies. So funny, sweet, bonkers teachers and witty wordplay. Kick-ass angst rock too!

[@searchingstarlight]

I was tricked. I remember watching this and thinking it was great and being horrified when I read the play. It was so hateful and I couldn’t find the humor in it. The movie does a good job tackling all of the relationships including the familial ones and is so satisfying. Now I’m going to go watch the movie.

[@kwyne2008]

Agreed. I think that at the point was to make a social commentary about the society at the time, like a satire. It worked at the time maybe, but definitely not these days

[@Amaranthyne]

It’s all about the director. If a director can show the push and pull between Petrucchio and Katarina it can be a very good play. I couldn’t even finish the movie with Elizabeth Taylor, but I’ve seen a production that was downright feminist. If you didn’t like the _Taming of the Shrew_ and haven’t already read it- _Much Ado about Nothing_ is great. Beatrice is witty, incisive, self-deprecating-one of my favorite characters ever. The 2012 movie version directed by Joss Whedon was a triumph.

[@isabellessley3513]

Related to what Amaranthyne said, one version of Shrew I really liked (despite hating Shrew normally) was the early 30s one with Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford. Mary is just so, so good at the "likable fiery young woman role," she and Douglas are absolutely delightful opposite each other, and the story is totally changed (via scenes being reframed) to them coming to greater understanding of EACH OTHER, rather than the spirit-breaking misery of the original. It's also free on youtube, so that's always nice.

[@icequeen9]

"I know you can be overwhelmed, and you can be underwhelmed, but can you ever just be - whelmed?" "...I think you can in Europe." That line got funnier every time I heard it as I aged out of teendom and it honestly cracks me up to this day.

[@emilypieters5331]

Okay, so I had sleep planned, but now I have to watch “10 Things I Hate About You” instead Who needs sleep anyway?

[@emilyrln]

_Well, you're never gonna get it._ 🎵

[@hazelbasil4989]

I know this is two years late but... How did you enjoy it?

[@Hana9916]

I really like the 2005 Taming of the shrew version of the speech, where Katherine is being completely sarcastic. And she also completely wears the pants in the relationship

[@emorag]

I'm sure I'm not the only gay man madly in love with Allison Janney.

[@LairdErnst]

Lol! Excellent video! Last minute of the counselor’s dialogue got me rolling.

[@briefparadoxes9255]

The best Shakespeare professor in Known Space, the late Dr. Louise Forest of the University of Northern Iowa under whom I had the privilege to study made certain points about *The Taming of the Shrew* which I offer for your consideration: Everybody does it wrong because nobody reads it right. Petruchio is not a rapist. Not on his darkest day in his darkest moment. Not under the legal cover of marriage. Not ever. And especially not with Kate because- Petruchio falls in love with Kate at first sight. He has made these elaborate plans about how he is going to deal with this shrewish wife and, if you hadn't noticed, they fall completely to the wayside once he meets Kate. Because the first sight of her burns him down to the ground. Petruchio never hits Kate. Ever. Read the scenes closely and you will see that there is no where that Petruchio hitting Kate actually makes sense in the structure of the scene. The same cannot be said of Kate. Nor is Petruchio above restraining Kate to prevent her from hitting him. In fact I suspect he rather enjoys a bit of Kate wrestling. Shame on him. Shouting at each other is in some relationships a love language. Another author [actually two, Lee and Miller] of whom I am fond liken it to communal prayer. Kate and Petruchio may to our minds seem overly devout, but it is their relationship and their language. Once he realizes his predicament Petruchio discovers that he has several goals: First, rescue Kate from this house where she is unhappy and people are mean to her and don't appreciate her. Second, convince Kate that he, Petruchio is a silly fellow and that being married to him can be fun. Because he actually has very few hard limits where she is concerned and together under the shelter of the marriage convention they can make a relationship that is what they together want it to be. "If we pretend to the world that we are what they expect us to be the world will not enquire too closely and we can do as we please." In aid of the second goal we have the trip home to meet the in-laws. Petruchio sets Kate up to take the piss out of the lot of them. If they are hypocrites she can play that game better than they and humiliate those who abused her by doing so. Or Kate has the choice of humiliating Petruchio. By making the wager he has laid himself open. "I trust you. Do you trust me?" Radical trust. The upshot is that her hand is not the only part of Kate that is ready -finally. The foreplay is at last over and Kate and Petruchio are off to bed to have sex *for the very first time*. In other words, the sexual politics of Shakespeare and of *Shrew* are a whole lot more subversive than they are usually let to be. Because men who read and produce the play are not comfortable enough with even secret equality to read what is clearly before them.

[@caseyb9621]

I’d also like to add that he never curbs her “shrewish” behavior to anyone other than himself. He even bets she can out-wit (“out-shrew” if you will) Hortensio’s widow. He likes her spunk & fire. He just doesn’t want the two of them to always be at war. One of my favorite versions, The American Comdey Theater 1976 production, plays up the farce 100%, but at the end moves to a completely serious moment when Pertruchio kneels to Katherina after she literally places her hand below his foot, and then proceeds to kiss the same hand. Showing he values and respects her, and would never put her in that position without kneeling to her as well.

[@gracieofgod8899]

The fact that Kate delivers the final monologue of the play is intended to signal to the audience that she is not a tame, submissive wife. Her lines about submission should be delivered either with nuance or tongue-in-cheek.

[@cmm5542]

Yes. This is ABSOLUTELY spot on. This is my favourite Shakespeare play and I HATE when directors use it to fulfill their own misogynistic fantasies. The entire 'sleeping' issue is because Petruchio WON'T sleep with Kate unless she wants to. He could, because although their marriage is technically not valid without her consent, she could never prove the match was forced on her by her father. But Petruchio knows. If it wasn't him, Baptista would have sold her to somebody else who would simply have seen her as a bedmate. Petruchio refuses to take advantage of this; he wants Kate out of her toxic family which is why he agrees to the forced marriage - he wants her to be safe. If they didn't consummate the marriage Kate could get an annulment with a nice settlement like Anne of Cleves from King Henry VIII - which would have been within living memory of Shakespeare's original audience. She had an out if she didn't want to 'tame' herself socially and agree to try and make the marriage work. He really cared about her under the brusque humour of the plot.

[@mlts9984]

I’m glad someone got the point. The addition of the Joey character reflects the influence of Rousseau, who corrupted the idea of freedom. Women are now free to choose predatory barbarians over chivalrous knights, and free to suffer the consequences.

[@CrimsonVipera]

Every time I watch this I end up watching "10 things about you". And I want to watch it now too, but I have to go to sleep. :(

[@JillBearup]

(Psst: you can watch it tomorrow! It’ll still be brilliant then 😁)

[@mysteriouscolours1532]

Most things are better than "The Taming of the Shrew"

[@Caseytify]

It's a long time ago since you recorded this, but I'm interested in your opinion of She's The Man, another teen rom-com based on Shakespeare. Scoot!

[@annbrookens945]

I love this movie so much! To be honest, my all-time favorite, maybe the only one I like, version of Taming of the Shrew was performed by a theater in California in the early 80's and was broadcast on PBS, live, I think. It was eventually retaped and copies released for sale. In that version, Petruccio (played by Marc Singer, who also starred in the movie Beastmaster) is played more...softly. He seems smitten by Kate at first sight, but is trying to confuse and baffle her wicked temper. It gives a whole new feeling to that otherwise "conquer the woman" vibe.

[@cmm5542]

Believe it or not, I think John Cleese also pulled it off in the 80s BBC version. I could hardly believe it, but if you think about it, that whole 'don't mention the war. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it' attitude really WORKS for Petruchio.

[@hope1037-t1x]

I had to read Taming of the Shrew for a university class, which I wouldn't have minded if we actually addressed how problematic it was, but we didn't. The prof even made us read the final scene, including Kate's throw-up worthy final monologue out loud in class. Anyways, thank you for your thoughts on the book, I completely agree and have no idea why it is required reading in schools. Like, just pick a different Shakespeare play! There's plenty to choose from.

[@kwyne2008]

Yes!! I think that at the point was to make a social commentary about the society at the time, like a satire. It worked at the time maybe, but definitely not these days. Your prof shouldve talked about it.

[@kwyne2008]

Or at least discussed

[@noplacespecial]

THE BEST TEEN MOVIE EVER MADE. I quite liked the TV show, too, but it could have done with the addition of Ms Perky. She's like tumblr personified.

[@insanitysportal6692]

Ironically, "Bad Reputation" is one of the opening songs.

[@Linawouldrathernot]

The 2005 modern adaptation sails pretty neatly over the patriarchy issues - would recommend

[@Kildergcowboy]

I love this movie and I love the soundtrack to it!

[@darkpheonix77]

JILL had/has a crush on Heath Ledger, I approve! as a bi guy I had a crush on both main characters Julia Stiles and Ledger cause, duh.

[@Peacepuppy5]

that was an AWESOME movie. I remember seeing it and in my imagination i was punching Joey over and over XD the dude had it coming.

[@ericpeterson8732]

I love how you gloss over the fact that this magnet? school has like the weirdest cliques ever. But Mr. Universe identifies them to Joe as if they actually matter and then the movie proceeds to completely forget them.

[@mooble1325]

no way is the dad paolo from princess diaries omg

[@RuailleBuaille]

Make all the boy moose go "hwaaaaaaagh"

[@mooble1325]

@@RuailleBuaille best line in cinematic history

[@Navigatortrue]

I find the fact that John Fletcher, Shakespeare successor with the King's Men wrote The Woman's Prize that is a sequel that has Petruchio second marriage brake him.

[@esme841]

It's my all time fave movie I love it!!

[@briaryos1]

First in, first out. It's a prudent inventory system.

[@johnsyms731]

Have you seen the John Cleese version of The Taming of the Shrew? He has what seems to be a unique take on the play that you may find enlightening.

[@LaineyBug2020]

Damn, Bianca! I'm shooting a NOSE SPRAY ad tomorrow!

[@alexius23]

There was a TV version of Ten Things I hate About You....the “Dad” in the played the same part in the film....

[@moospresso]

After your Clueless video I was hoping you'd reviewed this one. Glad you liked it too, it's one of my Favourite films 😀

[@Northfan42]

10 Things presented Taming Of The Shrew far better than She's The Man did for Twelfth Night.

[@stevenredpath9332]

You can tell it’s an early Shakespeare play as the later ones have much better outcomes when women are treated as equals and listen to.

[@tork1988]

Love this movie

[@emilyrln]

Oh, God, I don't think I've seen this movie since it came out in theaters when I was like, eleven and I went to see it with a boy in my class who had a crush on me 😂 so good! Chastity: "but can you ever be just… whelmed?" (Or something to that effect. It was decades ago.) I might have to buy it unless I can watch it for free somewhere.

[@SarahHeringer18]

Now that you pointed out I'll not be able to see those scenes and not cry

[@orinanime]

I must have missed it in some other video, but who is Mr Mendo ?

[@KatherinaBathory]

This was the ONLY teenager movie that I ever liked... Maybe even loved... Lol

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

....what, not even Clueless? 😳

[@KatherinaBathory]

@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 you know what? I came to like clueless and mean girls when I was older. I guess I must have said this is the only teenage movie I ever liked as a teenager...

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

@@KatherinaBathory Intriguing! 😉 And perhaps unusual? I wonder how many people grow fonder of teen-aimed movies with age, if not having already had their view somewhat tinted by the nostalgia which comes from having already loved them when young...? And yep, 10 Things = very cool 😎 I think a film which does age pretty well too? (Leaving aside those unintentionally sad moments Jill mentions .... R.I.P. the wonderful Heath Ledger! 😢)

[@kohakuaiko]

I probably need to go reread the play, but I thought Petruchio only TOLD his friends he did those things. What we see him do on stage is far more respectful than even her own family ever was. In short: he's a liar. He says one thing to his friends (probably to keep up his "manly" image), but won her by meeting her sass with equal sass and communication. (he's still an ass)

[@issybella66]

I like 10 things I hate about you it's one of my favorite movies

[@terig8974]

My sister and I liked this movie as kids because according to my mom and sister, I was like Kat and my younger sister was like Bianca. I'll have to watch this movie again as an adult. I never really thought of Kat as bitchy back then.

[@matthewhood7844]

According to the auto-generated closed captions your name is surfs immerser. ?

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

😂 Ah the joys of unmodified KZbin captions, sigh... 😬 Although to be fair, Jill's shift away from using the "Sursum Ursa" username (but not pulling the legacy intros in old vids) would've confused the heck out of me too, if I hadn't actually encountered that old branding first!! 😋

[@Ciborium]

My favorite part was when Katherine said, "It's Shrewing time!" and Shrewed all over those guys.

[@federicanapolitano7134]

It's obviously based on this

[@HosCreates]

I HATED the taming of the shrew. But I liked the 10 thing I hate about you.

[@bonniestar7583]

Camron is the only part of this film that I don't like

[@alisaurus4224]

Why? He starts out cringy & entitled to Bianca’s affection and learns that she’s actually a person and not a prize for him. Plus JGL is adorable in this movie

[@KamiRecca]

oh i bet thats not the only 3 meter representation of Heath Ledger you wanted to see, ey? Man had killer abs... or maybe self-ki ok too soon. And it waaay to poor taste. My taste Self-killer abs.