Terence McKenna, Rupert Sheldrake, Ralph Abraham: The Evolutionary Mind Trialogue 1 of 3

University of California, Santa Cruz, June 6th, 1998
Part 1 of 3
Rupert Sheldrake, Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham examine the evolution of the mind in language.
BOOK: The Evolutionary Mind: Conversations on Science, Imagination & Spirit
www.sheldrake....

[@marcoz6269]

I don't know how many times I've listened to this talk, but it still is just amazing!

[@justthemessengers]

꧁SACRED TEACHING of DMT꧂ DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are the molecular structures of a human’s Consciousness. They are the molecules that comprise our Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the molecular structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). Then the human body metabolizes the Conciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants, and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize. Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interfere with a human body from metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources: alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, hallucinogenics, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness. The following substances are NOT Psychedelics: 1-mdma 2-ketamine 3-salvia 4-kratom 5-dipt 6-pcp 7- datura/jimson weed There are others . . . . . . . Any True Psychedelic will proclaim this Truth if you ask Them. The following substances ARE True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light: DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, LSD, Mescaline, Ibogaine, Psilocin, Psilocybin, THC, DPT, DET, Muscimol, there are others . . . . So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics. There is this part from Scripture: “They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal” (Katha Upanishad) The Physical Body of Conciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist) The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies Truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it. As Saint Paul says in 2nd Corinthians chapter 4 verse 7: “We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”. That is the meaning of this - you can now understand this better. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. Once the Psychedelic shows this to you personally, in other words, God shows you that your physical body is THEIR Temple, and you understand this, then anything you do to hurt the Temple of God now is a worst offense in God’s eyes than when you were blind to this Truth. Now you will be deliberately defiling the Temple of God. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHeoZZKdqZqmZqs kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZKXiomHnNKJe5I kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHKogJxqrsucgZY kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqiZZHmmbdZmpMk [e-mail]

[@carliereed3881]

Quite so...and then they contacted their respective tax accountants to insure their continued "voluntary" compliance with the monstrous apparatus, i.e. the state

[@Wicknews8100]

Terrence 24/7 lol

[@sadhu7191]

This was deeper then the talk its self. It was art

[@michaelkaiser8694]

Something about Terence’s humility.... that humility holds more truth than...even language can manifest!

[@syzygy.levity]

❤️

[@NoahsUniverse]

It's called L O V E

[@Klara_Cluck]

❤

[@ParallelNewsNetwork]

McKenna and Sheldrake express clear positions but Abraham takes the defensive as a skeptic whilst forgetting to take a position of his own.

[@At0ThEb]

Thanks for keeping this accessible, LEGEND❤

[@blendedplanet]

1:02:49 - Ralph's question this cuts right to the heart of what evolution IS because when you look at how molecules interact in increasing complexity, there's a point where the process starts to look a lot like what we call 'life' because various cooperative combinations seem intentional. Yet in the body, an amino acid joining up with an enzyme and another amino acid, resulting in the unfolding of a protein that can do crazy complex work - well, it's a matter of luck because the darn things have to happen to bump into each other before the magic can happen. This matches how we live and evolve. We wander through life with varying levels of conscious intention (vs, say, doing what our parents told us was 'safe' or respectable) and then we happen to bump into a professor or a book that literally changes our life direction. It happens, and like my previous comment, it is probably just how it happens at all scales from atomic to galactic.

[@gaelhillyardcreative]

It is almost 26 years to the day since it was recorded. It is as relevant now as it was then, perhaps even more so. Thank you for helping me see the beauty of life again, especially Rupert Sheldrake, whose ideas I absorb on a daily basis while I work.

[@verabeara2106]

I thank the cosmos that this conversation took place and got recorded. My ape-mind was eternally entertained by all this.

[@johnnielawson]

How I would like to find myself at a party and come across an empty chair next to this unfolding conversation, you would not not find me in the kitchen at this particular party unless of cross that happened to be where these guys were hanging out. Take good care and stay safe. Johnnie Lawson

[@verabeara2106]

i'd have to attend a hundred parties a day to find a fine subset of guests like this:))

[@lanilila]

I've loved these archived talks. Each one adds such depth to the developing portrait of "the mind and matter of life". This discussion with Terrence and Ralph is filling the cup to the brim. Thank you so much!

[@mxtw7910]

What an awesome conversation ☺️🙌🏽 so inspiring

[@Kylegreigwalker]

This channel is a goldmine if information that can change your life. Thank you doctor

[@NoahsUniverse]

I was 2 days old when this was recorded

[@whiteboyrick1785]

I wasn’t even a thought

[@1998XBOX]

I was three days old

[@Alonoda]

I was 377 days old back then

[@ozmoses2274]

I was -22 days old😊

[@Klara_Cluck]

I was 25

[@philliplow5379]

The increase in complexity and novelty is only apparent because looking back or forward in time can only be done in decreased resolution. If we go back far enough we can only resolve in hundreds of millions of years. Complexity and richness reaches its fullness only in the present. So, "Enjoy yourself, its later than you think. Enjoy yourself while you're still in the pink. The years go by as quickly as a wink. Enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself it's later than you think".

[@pamelaroebuck1079]

A joy just to listen.

[@guitardadsinc]

I’ve been meaning to absorb and digest these trialogues for quite some time now, and look very forward to digesting this.

[@brandonhatton1680]

Wow! Ty sir! I've been starving for this content!!

[@blendedplanet]

@Rupert Sheldrake You are the first theorist I've bumped into who articulated an idea I have had for some time - the idea of recursive phenomena at various scales - contributing to and being contributed to. Containing and being contain in. I am sure would love to have a conversation sometime about how your thinking about the ideas here have evolved.

[@tjentalman]

why do we separate ourselves from stars when we are living pieces of dead stars?

[@robonez]

This is GOLD!!!

[@jimgiblet]

It's all crystalline all the way down from initial energy, everything seems to follow mathematical/geometrical patterns

[@roboturtle3035]

I kept skipping the parts when the grey haired guy starts talking.

[@mikestirewalt5193]

Ralph has taken on the role of skeptic and wet blanket to anything that is said.

[@johnfarley4201]

WONDERFUL

[@NoahsUniverse]

Jung permeates this discussion

[@DMTInfinity]

Rupert Sheldrake..! 💜

[@clintwillettwellnesssoluti1018]

kudos @!

[@independencemp3]

Future Understanding

[@3dmagictricks]

Terence McKenna should play an evil scientist villain in a marvel universe

[@tarquinogilvie]

He passed away two years after this interview sadly

[@Xime_6888]

Please habilita traductor español!

[@Yellowblam]

This is the business.

[@blendedplanet]

1:01:07 - a good way to think about it is like a stock chart. What you see in a chart is a simple projection to help us understand what's going on in the market, yet the only reason the chart looks the way it does is billions of individual trades. The 'mind' of the sun, solar system, or universe is likewise the sum total of all the minds that comprise it and all of the minds it is contained within. I suspect this is the nature of the universe - a recursive evolutionary pattern affected by and affecting at all scales. It can't be 'moral' the way we usually think about morality because just as an earthquake in Turkey killed 30,000 people last week, we likewise kill countless living creatures every time we take a step on the grass of our lawns. Of course the counter to this argument is to both explain away the apparent injustice of 'God" while also establishing an agreed-upon hierarchy of importance with humanity coincidentally enjoying premium pride of place lol. This might explain why many critics feel Western Judeo Christian traditions are associated with, and encourage, potentially abusive patriarchy - it's predicated on deciding who matters most. It's a bit silly. Getting back to the earthquake, we place way too much emphasis on puzzling out the problem of death. It seems most likely that we are simply 'nodes' in a vast evolving universe and it is through us that the intelligence/creator/field/source has experiences. Like the gut biome we have inside of ourselves, an equally vast scale of evolving lifecycles are taking place inside us all the time - and we affect it tremendously with choices such as what to eat. We are likewise imposed on by external choices others make, such as how much toxic waste to surreptitiously deposit in the local creek. What we 'experience' is very much the sum total of all of those other experiences taking place at a smaller scales and becomes the experience of our family, community, culture, planet, etc. at larger scales. Thus everything is quite literally connected.

[@limozy]

Im gonna start writing my comments for your videos in notes because youtube loves to delete them ugh whyyyy

[@limozy]

omg I left a huge comment I spent like 15 minutes writing and youtube deleted it :( I was waiting for a notification lol what the heck

[@MisterHerra]

weird question, does anyone know what font that is at the start?

[@wehsee912]

Shakespeare 912 🌚☄️❤️💫

[@mikestirewalt5193]

Ralph persists in his role as a wet blanket.

[@JamesTrevitt]

Instead of "I think we've ground to a halt" as the final comment, he should have said "We're out of time."

[@parsoniareigns]

This is this damned drug I'm drinking!😀

[@Alonoda]

39:20 you were waiting for this

[@adriramos1441]

It think this three have the combined intelligence of the the today's entire population combined, just to put it in prespective.

[@observerobserved-hg8lz]

The prey Is the predator. Nature knows

[@waoweMan]

An approach to cosmic consciousness, that is tangible rather than that one of self experience through spiritual or magical events, meditation or sacred plants, will be that one achievede through language. We are an animal that evolved to be able to recognize patterns and abstract symbols from observation, contemplating the real fenomena, then transforming this useful knowledge in a narrative, through art, creating signs, coding complex language. So, we can explore cosmic consciousness through language, and the first connection to it, to its intelligible facet, is Geo-semantics, a field i propose based on a discovery that I've made on 2012, a symbol made by Earth's plate tectonics, by Earth's evolution. The Waowe symbol, dated 65 million years is the first expression of Earth's intelligibility. The first evidence of mind, therefore life beyond the known biota.

[@thoughtsurferzone5012]

The guy on the right looks like Jerry Garcia.

[@guitardadsinc]

Ahhhh the trilogue

[@TommyJuusola]

Ralph will try to look for any explanation just to oppose Terence McKenna it seems. Even if that explanation is less likely and unrealistic

[@Wicknews8100]

finding stone tools with art on them in Canada, I have some evidence on my channel

[@myallhanckel8405]

should probably check out Graham Hancock and Schwaller de Lubicz

[@tjentalman]

back then they didn't know about psilocybins ability to produce hippocampal neurogenisis or facilitate rapid fear extinction... also a Advaita Vedantic person would be interesting to assert into this conversation. Dr. Bohm as well

[@alaineb2643]

Tibetan Buddhists or Bon as well.

[@Thomas_Geist]

No one did more to advance the idea of evolutionary psychology than Julian Jaynes yet people such as those on this panel (and others) pretend they’ve never heard of him nor read, The Origins Of Consciousness… Perhaps Jaynes’ theory is so meticulously constructed and comprehensive in its explanatory scope it does not lend itself to being commandeered in support of other theories, so it’s ignored. Any discussion such as this that does not at least make mention of Jaynes I do not take very seriously. McKenna is articulate but this does not overcome a lack of facts, e.g., he states that the invention of writing occurred 9000 years ago, but we have no evidence of it earlier than at best 6000 years ago in Sumer. If I, a non-academic, non-book-writing sort know that, why didn’t he? The subjective nature of pure reasoning employed by the Greeks let alone that derived from psychedelic experience employed by primitive cultures extant today - and that give no evidence of an objective interrogation of nature - is what the modern method of, “science,” was meant to overcome. Granted that there are intellectual domains, such as human consciousness, that cannot be comprehended by a materialistic deconstruction of reality, these domains by nature cannot then be formalized by the same methodology. (One of my few and very narrow points of agreement with Postmodernism.). That’s the point. Hindus believe that rocks are conscious. Not having a definition of, “consciousness,” I cannot falsify that notion so all I can say is, “whatever floats your boat.”

[@jan-martinulvag1962]

We are living in the dark age

[@myallhanckel8405]

Sounds more like ralph is trying to take issue with something someone else said (though im not sure whatexactly) than put forth an idea of his own but i can't quite be sure. Actually, seems like maybe he's not sure himself. At least he challenged the ideas put forth although the basis for that challenge seemed somewhat nonemergent. 😂 I think some confusion developed as to whether reference was being made variously to intelligence or consciousness, maybe they ought to clear that up quickly before moving on.

[@justthemessengers]

Myall Hanckel 🙏 ꧁SACRED TEACHING of DMT꧂ DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are the molecular structures of a human’s Consciousness. They are the molecules that comprise our Consciousness. All True Psychedelics are the molecular structures of Pure Consciousness. The human body synthesizes it’s own Consciousness (the DMT & 5-MeO-DMT found in humans). Then the human body metabolizes the Conciousness that it is producing. The amount of the endogenous Consciousness that the human body is able to metabolize depends on many factors. The less pollutants, poison & other contaminants present in the body will result in the ability to metabolize more of the Consciousness that body is producing. Likewise, the more pollution, contaminants, and poison a body has inside of it the less Consciousness it is able to metabolize. Here is a list of some of the most common poisons that humans ingest regularly which interfere with a human body from metabolizing the Consciousness that it produces, as well as any Consciousness that is ingested from external sources: alcohol, nicotine, sugar, caffeine, amphetamines, dissociatives, tranquilizers, flouride, hallucinogenics, and a plethora of other drugs are just some of the substances that interfere with humans metabolizing their own Consciousness. The following substances are NOT Psychedelics: 1-mdma 2-ketamine 3-salvia 4-kratom 5-dipt 6-pcp 7- datura/jimson weed There are others . . . . . . . Any True Psychedelic will proclaim this Truth if you ask Them. The following substances ARE True Psychedelics - They are Alive, Omnicient Living Beings of Light: DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, LSD, Mescaline, Ibogaine, Psilocin, Psilocybin, THC, DPT, DET, Muscimol, there are others . . . . So if a human can achieve 100% purity within their bodies, with zero contaminants or pollution (an unattainable state in these current bodies) and managed to metabolize 100% of the endogenous Psychedelics that their physical body is producing (DMT & 5-MeO-DMT), that would be the limit to how Conscious that human can be. In order for a human to become more Conscious than this they must put more Consciousness into their physical bodies. You must put more molecules of Consciousness inside of your physical body in order to attain a Higher level of Consciousness. When you ingest Psychedelics you see Them that you just ingested, not some doorway or window or a “portal” to somewhere else or some entity somewhere else. When you ingest LSD the Light that you see is the LSD Themselves, very Beautiful Living Beings of Light. When you ingest DMT the Entity you see and hear is the Living Light Beings DMT Themselves. The same is true for All True Psychedelics. There is this part from Scripture: “They are the Eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of Conscious Beings. The ONE who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their Souls attain the Peace Eternal” (Katha Upanishad) The Physical Body of Conciousness is The Flesh of God. The Flesh of God is the True Communion Entity (the Eucharist) The Flesh of God (the Psychedelic) is the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. Our Bodies Truly are the Temple of God because God the Psychedelic Lives within it. As Saint Paul says in 2nd Corinthians chapter 4 verse 7: “We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us”. That is the meaning of this - you can now understand this better. So whether or not a person is ingesting Psychedelics, every single human’s body is God’s Temple because DMT & 5-MeO-DMT Live within it. Anything you do to hurt or harm your body you do to harm God’s Temple. Once the Psychedelic shows this to you personally, in other words, God shows you that your physical body is THEIR Temple, and you understand this, then anything you do to hurt the Temple of God now is a worst offense in God’s eyes than when you were blind to this Truth. Now you will be deliberately defiling the Temple of God. This understanding is a good Foundation, a good step towards a person Knowing God and being able to stay with Them both in this Lifetime & afterwards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHeoZZKdqZqmZqs kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZKXiomHnNKJe5I kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHKogJxqrsucgZY kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqiZZHmmbdZmpMk [e-mail]

[@ReluctantMystic]

Not likely. Ralph is a genius on par, or beyond, Sheldrake and McKenna. To understand mathematics at his level is a very very rare thing. In this interview his questions are challenging, but not coming from any sort of self-doubt.

[@AdamBechtol]

Yeah I couldn't make out what he was going on about, lol. Hard to even tell if he was criticizing, or teasing facetiously.

[@ronkrate609]

bad audio

[@wehsee912]

Edensjoy

[@susanralph274]

terence is a million times smarter

[@xyttra]

I wonder how furries figure into this.