Terminus Episode 153 ft. Jiub of Radio Free Innsmouth - Crucifier, House of Atreus, Brazen Horde

[@theblacklourde]

Booty-licious review y'all!

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Hell yeah! Thanks Cazz, great to see you here. - TBMG ⚔

[@cthuludreams1]

This crossover needs to happen more often, like once every 3 months or something

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

We're currently in talks to make that happen. ⚔

[@SkullOfTheAbyss]

The collaboration I’ve been waiting for but never imagined would come so soon!!

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

"Come soon, come often" - our motto. - TBMG ⚔

[@radiofreeinnsmouth1337]

The Terminus guys actually got in touch with me right after the Lucifugum RFI episodes, so this has definitely been in the works for a while! This was definitely a fun time, looking forward to hopefully doing some more in the future.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

@@radiofreeinnsmouth1337 Absolutely man, we had a blast, and we'd love to have you back on sooner rather than later, once the dazed masses recover from this episode. Thanks again for sacricifing your Friday night to sperg with us, and for shilling on our behalf - we've seen a massive spike in the numbers. - TBMG ⚔

[@hamachancutter]

Radio Free Innsmouth! 🤘

[@SeanS1995]

Was pleased to hear early Anathema get a shout out. That shit was pretty savage. There are very few bands I can think of who have changed their style more over time.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Savage is a good for it. Rough-hewn and massive. I want to like latter-day Anathema, and theoretically I *could*, but there's too much straight-up cringe, at least on the stuff I've checked. It's like they're trying to be a "modern rock band" rather than just doing atmo-goth-folk stuff, which they'd excel at. Is there a good record?? - TBMG

[@ItsSleepyxo]

Looking forward to adding RFI to my rotation!

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

hell yeah brother! ⚔

[@mightykaiser8058]

Just found this channel thru RFI and watched a handful of episodes. You guys have a knowledge of music that goes a bit over my head but you're able to articulate your points pretty effectively so I think I'll stick around. Cheers lads 🥂🤘⚡⚡

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Thanks man, that's high praise. We're both self-taught musicians w/ a tenuous grasp on theory, to put it kindly, but we have kind of a rough working language for talking about this stuff, that seems to help bridge the gap btw people much better at guitar than us, and people who don't play guitar. We're also into other kinds of art, and philosophical writing about how art "works," so we try to bring that to bear w/o being too autistic about it (in that, we fail). Glad you're sticking around. If you've ever got questions, just leave a comment. Cheers! ⚡🍻⚡ - TBMG

[@spazzriff_appreciator]

jiub gives me the vibe of an anime kid in high school if he acheived niche respect throughout the whole senior class and it changed his personality to add more confidence but he was still an anime kid

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

that's all of us, really - TBMG ⚔

[@rudi_tabootie]

Tons of great name drops of obscure bands. Lots of rabbit holes to dive down now.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

many portals await 🌀

[@largechris14]

I'm jealous of anyone who's just now discovering either of these channels thanks to this collab. They'll have an incredible amount of quality episodes to throw into their backlog and look forward to Great stuff guys

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Hey man, I just wanted to say, thank you for this very kind comment. I didn't have a chance to reply at the time, but it made me smile. - TBMG 🔮

[@slaythembeforeme]

1:30:10 "the Sargeistification of Arghoslent" is the definition of instant new favorite band for me

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

You like the riff, we like the riff, everyone's happy. - TBMG ⚔

[@SlyHikari03]

@@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcastRiffs are the very essence Metal!

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

Sick..when world's collide- or align.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

RFI and Terminus, the Mannslieb and Morrslieb of extreme metal podcasting, respectively. - TBMG ⚔

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

@@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast are those Warhammer guys

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

@@shannonm.townsend1232 in a manner of speaking, yes - they're twin moons

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

@@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast very apt

[@vouneo]

Best crossover

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Cheers dude! ⚔

[@spazzriff_appreciator]

I feel like these podcasts and their contemporaries are the highly educated metalhead friends I've never had. I listen to crucifier and have the unparalled majesty flag but I don't have any fucking clue about their history.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Thanks man! Nothing wrong w/ just enjoying the music, plus, I'd say if you know who Crucifier are, you're already in pretty deep. But yeah, dearth of irl metalhead friends is a serious problem for many of us. We're doing what we can to pass down lore accumulated in years of scrolling through Metal Archives when we were supposed to be doing something else, in hopes that maybe, just maybe, those thousands of hours will seem meaningful. - TBMG ⚔

[@Bigbillystrikesback]

Very nicely put ​@@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast

[@THEMEATMANOG]

Gorgoroth. Cormac McCarthy rules. Perfect dm material

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Yeah now that Grave Pilgrim has done McCarthy BM, someone's gotta do it for DM. - TBMG ⚔

[@rudi_tabootie]

Cowboys from hell?

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

@@rudi_tabootie lmao

[@shub9211]

I didn't know I needed this, but I really needed it.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

now you know. ⚔

[@dekoener485]

RFI = 🐐

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

We agree! ⚔

[@SlyHikari03]

Ayy! It's the guy who Redpilled me on Intestine Baalism! Great band btw. Crucifier is awesome too! Cazz Grant is a killer drummer. Also, Children of Bodom share the same room in my cerebral cortex as Argho. and the Incorrigible Bigotry instrumental was the song that got me into Arghoslent funny enough, loved when jiub mentioned that at 1:30:30 Ps. The Morbid Angel connection makes sense because i remember seeing a photo of Arghoslent's band members where one of the guys had a morbid angel shirt which makes this somehow go full circle. Cathedral of Ancestry reminded me of 4:04 in Arghoslent's Oracle of the Malefic Rhizome.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Thanks man! I got a bit swamped in the backlog, but know that your comments are always appreciated. Glad you enjoyed the crossover. And that the connections we made, make sense to you. If you wanna hear dudes from the GBK/Slent milieu doing something more like austere Morbid Angel war metal, check Martial Barrage. Super cool band that I always forget about - w/ some phenomenal cover art. - TBMG ⚔

[@WhiteGlint88]

I'm here from RFI

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Welcome dude!

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

Dude Wind of the Black Mountains is pretty great

[@radiofreeinnsmouth1337]

Definitely one of my favorite weirdo bands, at least on the Sing Thou Unholy Servants album. I haven't heard the other one so I don't know if that one's as good.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

i am gonna have to finally listen to them - TBMG ⚔

[@Hmm4838]

Odin is real! 🥹

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

waaarrr woooooollllffffffff waaaaaarrrrrrrr wooooooooofffffffffff ⚔

[@SKilde-qm5gy]

Killer 👍

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

OUGH ⚔

[@iglumajor]

Top 10 anime crossovers of all time, up there with the cover art for the Satanic Warmaster / Archgoat split.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Thanks man! We are the werewolf, he is the goat, and the upside-down cross is extreme metal journalism. ⚔

[@theblacklourde]

Brethren was that demo you're looking for....@54:40

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Excellent, will hunt that down. And now to check out the old Crucifier demos, too..... - TBMG

[@theblacklourde]

@@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast send me your email I'll send you a copy...you may never find it out there in the world! haha

[@Matheus-jy8xe]

Good stuff! How do I spell the band which black metal guy said Brazen Horde sounded similar?

[@radiofreeinnsmouth1337]

There were a couple bands with weird names mentioned in the context of Brazen Horde, it was probably either Rübezahl or Gontyna Kry.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

@@radiofreeinnsmouth1337 Gontyna Kry was you, iirc. But yeah, Matheus, Brazen Horde is a project of the main songwriter fr. Rübezahl, Raróg. - TBMG ⚔

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

I want to know what an Atreus is

[@radiofreeinnsmouth1337]

So, the House of Atreus is a cursed Hellenic noble family back from mythological times. Their progenitor was Tantalus, who we get the modern word "tantalize" from. He tried to trick the gods by dismembering his son Pelops and serving the parts to the gods at a banquet. The gods figured it out and didn't eat any of it except for Demeter, the goddess of agriculture, who was distracted because her daughter Persephone was abducted for half the year by Hades, the god of the underworld (this is why there's seasons of summer and winter, as an aside). Zeus was not happy and threw Tantalus into the underworld, where he's chained to a rock in a pool underneath a fruit tree. Every time he's thirsty, he tries to drink from the pool, but the waters recede away from him. Every time he's hungry, he tries to get a fruit from the tree, but the wind blows the branches out of reach. The curse placed on Tantalus also continued down through the family tree through the resurrected Pelops and his son Atreus. There's a decent amount of murder, cannibalism, incest, and bad fortune following them around, which eventually gets Atreus banished to Mycenae. His descendant Agamemnon became the kind of Mycenae and the most powerful monarch amongst the Greeks during the Trojan War, but in order to set sail for Troy, he sacrificed his daughter Iphigenia to the goddess of the hunt, Artemis, because he had previously killed a deer in one of Artemis' sacred groves. To do this, he tricked his daughter into thinking she was marrying Achilles, the most powerful warrior amongst the Greeks. When he got back from the Trojan war, Agamemnon's wife Clytemnestra and her secret lover Aegisthus killed Agamemnon in revenge for Iphigenia's death. Agamemnon's son Orestes and daughter Electra then killed Clytemnestra and Aegisthus on the orders of the god Apollo, thus ending the curse of the House of Atreus. That last part is told in a lot more detail in the Oresteia, a trilogy of plays written by the famous Greek tragedian Aeschylus, who was a big influence on House of Atreus (the band) and is specifically set to music in their song "Oresteia: The Unforgotten Scorns" on their debut album.

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

@@radiofreeinnsmouth1337 Jub thank you, that was as deliriously convoluted a backstory as I could have hoped for. The good old days of sordid human and gods drama. I have that book of Aeschylus' plays, but obviously never read it. My esteem of House of Atreus is higher now; one aspect of extreme metal I much admire is when this febrile material is adroitly embedded into the music.

[@xuuhhhhh]

is there a video where you guys lay out/introduce your outlaw rock / solar bm idea? like its referred to a lot and i'm starting to get a sense for what you're saying but it would be nice to hear a formal presentation w/ examples

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Well shit it's pretty cool that you'd even want us to do a formal presentation, but yeah, we've basically done that on certain past episodes. We pretty much lay out the "outlaw rock" concept on Episode 26, w/ the Ifernach/PANF review, though I don't think we'd coined the name yet. Other key points include the early review / interview w/ Oldowan Gash, and Ep 58, where we review the Maquahuitl EP. As for solar metal, this is a broader classification that includes or overlaps w/ outlaw rock, but really starts with Spite Extreme Wing. So if you want a background on that, listen to the SEW special episode, or early reviews of bands like oriflamme, laetitia in holocaust, solitvdo, etc. It's worth noting that tdmg and I don't think of these terms in quite the same way. Although I came up w/ the "outlaw rock" label, it was an aesthetic/idea that tdmg had been exploring for years in his own music projects, in conversations w/ me, etc., and he's generally more excited about it than I am - in part because he has a more optimistic view of America, rock music, emo, etc. Ofc, I am stoked about many bands that fit this description, and about the clear signs of a new sound emerging, even if I remain more invested in its European roots. - TBMG ⚔

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Necropole is another consummately "solar" band

[@xuuhhhhh]

@@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast Thanks! you been the background to my boring ass last semester of uni so i heard you use the term a lot, i thought for it was a scene at first lol before realizing it's just your own description of related sounds.

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

@@xuuhhhhh Exactly, you got it - just shit we critics make up, lol! However, most of the major US "outlaw rock" bands are listening to each other's stuff, at the very least, so maybe there is the beginning of an irl scene. Also, honored to keep you company in the ivory dungeon. I hope all went well, and that I can now congratulate you on a glorious victory/escape/graduation! - TBMG 🔮

[@theakkusor]

Death Strike

[@radiofreeinnsmouth1337]

good band actually

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Death Strike

[@theakkusor]

@@radiofreeinnsmouth1337 u ain't lying, Fuckin Death rips

[@faust8218]

You guys mentioned that you had re-evaluated Reinkaos on the show. What episode was that? I'd be curious to hear the reasoning. Cheers.

[@BigBl0ck-r9y]

What this bunzen burner guy?

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Bunsen Burner podcast, on youtube @bigbillystrikesback. They also have a label putting out their own bands (Galicia, Warrior's Chalice, etc.), plus some obscure reissues, which you can find on Bandcamp. - TBMG ⚔

[@lucasstruna3962]

house of atreus is playing with gbk in october!

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

Oh sick, is that the Texas show?

[@lucasstruna3962]

@@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast yeah in El paso I'm going forsure

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

@@lucasstruna3962 hell yeah, let us know how it is. maybe we can interview listeners who attended, or something. - TBMG ⚔

[@breadbaker5449]

TWU

[@TerminusExtremeMetalPodcast]

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