Terraforming Mars: TURMOIL official tutorial

[@Willydjable]

Thanks for the explanation, we've been playing it wrong with dominance and leaders unchanging during each generation. May face some turmoil explaining the actual rules now.

[@MrAndyjobo]

Really great production quality, animations, and highlighting. Extremely easy to follow along and understand.

[@kg2077-h3r]

Your speech is very understandable, easy to follow even for a foreigner. Highlighting helps too. Thank you for your great work

[@markpapenfuss1111]

Got this expansion today for my birthday. This was an excellent way to both explain the rules and get me excited to try it out!

[@LEGOiancu1]

Great expansion! You’re responsible for many friends having fun worldwide!

[@christianmarx3249]

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[@jakob8724]

As this expression has now been canonised by a Fryxelius I shall always use it in games!

[@tobiasschilgen5890]

I like the "subtle" humor of this extension: "Mars first" - the party who wants to build constructions and earn money (absolutely no relations to present time)... kelvinists who like it hot... great! And really a new managing level which allows tactical steps in the game! I can't wait to try it.

[@bobdole8830]

I'm with you on the first one but Kelvinist was just a weak pun

[@picivyvortac2641]

You know I often see this one on the bottom of the order of "best expansions for TM" but honestly it is my favorite after the necessity that is prelude.

[@mike0814]

Thank you Isaac. Great production quality on the tutorial. Very excited to receive my copy. Kudos to you and the team.

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[@kalebarthur4574]

@Amir Izaiah instablaster ;)

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[@kalebarthur4574]

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[@MrMartinnoren]

Nicely done! I can´t wait to play this expansion more (1 play so far) - there seems to be a whole new tactic dimension to the game that I will love to learn how to exploit!

[@gartsur84]

Just got my expansion, and this makes things so clear

[@rasmussen121]

Awesome! Great explanation and introduction for those, who are curious about the expansion. Looks super neat!

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[@MrGoandrush]

thanks Isaac, your games are the best! Thank you for your efforts to make this such great game again

[@torstenkrumel6970]

It was hard for me to understand the rules. But Your Video explained it so well thank you!

[@djdesistorm]

I finally got my KS pack so today five of us will play with all the expansions. It will be a looong game ❤

[@francispham6113]

How the double layered player boards?

[@djdesistorm]

@@francispham6113 they were awesome! Although delegate tokens were not matching player cube colours. Boards, policy cards, corporations, project cards all in all were perfect. Gave us almost five hours of confusion, thrill, excitement, fun. Thank you for a wonderful expansion :)

[@Lemonhead209]

Great explanation.... So looking forward to this.

[@piotrwoznica9100]

This looks great, can't wait to get my hands on it!

[@MohamadSobh]

Amazing video, great production quality, thank you!

[@kornelije.h]

Finally! Thank you!

[@TheRealMrWolf]

Great tutorial! Thank you

[@bobdole8830]

Luckily I received the mini expansion with the KS stretch goals with my copy of the expansion, but they really should have been part of every release expansion copy. 16 Project cards is a joke for a 35€ expansion. With the additional 12 ones and 3 corps on top (totalling in 8 corps) and the new mechanic, you get enough bang for your buck, but without them I feel I can't recommend the expansion as is, or at least not with that price tag . I hope the mini expansion will be made wildly available and not just a promo or something.

[@MrFunkhouser]

Thanks!

[@Braindoner101]

Also, what happens when the generation ends, but two parties have the same number of delegates of different colors?

[@michaeljavon8713]

It's whichever party is the "dominant" party, and that marker only passes when a party has *more* delegates than any other. So, for example, say the Reds party gets to two delegates, which is more than any other, they get the "dominant" party marker. If the Mars First party then gets to two delegates, then they only tie the Reds party and the "dominant" marker does not get passed to them - they need to get to three to become the "dominant" party.

[@sylvainballerini239]

Thk for this explication !

[@canislavlazarov9217]

Liked mostly cuz i was 777th xD BTW how longer the game is with Turmoil on top of Venus and Helas and Prelude? I am not sure if i want to buy Turmoil and/or Colonies too cuz i think at least one of those could make the game too long or annoying. Right now with above said expansions me and 3 friends finish the game in 2 hours and a half which is good to play 2 games in a row.

[@ilqrd.6608]

So which combination of expansions strikes the balance between depth and lean-ness best?

[@fugazigamer1426]

Great question, always happy to hear peoples favourite combinations. I think prelude + colonies... It would be really interesting to hear if a particular combination somehow didn't work well for people..

[@Patronux]

In my opinion, it's Venus Next + Colonies, or Turmoil by itself. And obviously you can always add Prelude to any game, or change the board.

[@ThomasamohT1]

I'm confused. Why would the red player get the cost reduced by 3 when they have 0 influence in the Greens party?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

Oh, but the Reds party is the dominant party because they have most delegates, that's what counts. Maybe you are mistaken about the Global Event card - The Global Event card "Global dust storm" says to place a grey neutral delegate in Greens party, that't what the Greens icon is there to tell, but that does not make Green party dominant or ruling.

[@runescapefan0001]

Just finished a 2 player game of TF Mars with all the expansions (except turmoil) and the corporate deck. Took like 5 hours and had played through only half the deck. This new expansion looks complicated. Do you have any plans to release an official PC version of Terraforming Mars? Asmodee doesn't count...

[@Nimmersang]

Thx! This explanation is great. In the first generation. You can use the Green policy? Because it’s always open first?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

Yes, the Greens policy is active the first generation.

[@Nimmersang]

@@isaacfryxelius979 :D wow so good for unmi player!

[@Nimmersang]

@@isaacfryxelius979 Thank you very much for fast response!

[@isaacfryxelius979]

Well, you still have to pay 23 M€ before you get the 4 in return - but for UNMI it is great to know that if they can afford that, they will also afford their extra TR raise.

[@Nimmersang]

@@isaacfryxelius979 As well as 2 victory points :3 worth it

[@CatCarowVOD]

I have a questtion about the Greens and Unity. Do I get 1M for every of the three tags, or only 1M for the whole combination of this three and only if I got such a combination? For example if I got one planttag and one mirobetag. Do I get 3Ms (1 for each Tag) or do I get nothing, because I'm missing the combination, and if I add one animal to the example, then I get only 1M for 1 full combination?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

For Unity and Greens you get 1 M€ per tag, not per set of tags.

[@CatCarowVOD]

@@isaacfryxelius979 Thank you very much :)

[@az092328]

There are 2 things i found confusing about global event cards: one is that it doesn't say that the global events apply to all players (which you clarify in this video), the second is that the effects on the cards are often unclear, which is unusual for TM, e.g. the Moral movement - strong society card in this video - does it give 2 megacoins for each city tile on the board in total (as implied by the text) or 2 megacoins for each city tile the player owns (as implied by the example in the rulebook, "Stanley has 7 cities"). Hope you will clear this up

[@juegosdemesaenfamilia2968]

I have a question about how to execute the events. The rules say that any event counts a maximum of 5. but this number can be modified up or down (even above 5) through points of influence. The problem is that the letters in the text vary a bit, and there are some that I don't understand how to apply them. I put 3 examples. - guidelines of the world government. In this he says that the symbols of Earth and ADD their influence are counted. This is clear. you can then exceed the maximum of 5. - Red resistance. Each player gets € 2M for each Earth symbol (max 5) and point of influence. In this case the points of influence are separate or within the count? - Local support for terraforming. Each player gets 1 floor for each level of plants (max 5) and for each point of influence he has. Unlike the previous case, it seems that both things are different .... level of production and influence. I think I understand the rules that influence always conditions and adds or subtracts. but seeing that the text is different, in Spanish the text of the letter takes on a different meaning.

[@kirstenjensen4011]

Hey Isaac. Thnx alot for the amazing Terraforming Mars games, we always look forward to new content. We tried the turmoil expansion yesterday and found it interestingly but difficult to play... Why do all players decrease TR by 1 ? It doesn't seem rational since it affects players. The only way it could make sense is if all players reduces megacredit production by 1... - i cant remember any other card that reduces TR before this expansion, so what happens when you loose 1TR? Thanks alot

[@Braindoner101]

Wait, so -2 space bucks per building tag, if red has 2 builder tags so -4 space bucks, has 3 influence, so shouldn’t red need to pay 1 space buck instead of none?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

The influence affects the number of building tags, not the price per building tag.

[@SNIPERBAUSCH]

In the example, what if the green player didnt have enough mega credits to pay for their 5 building tags of the dust storm?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

The global event occurs after the production phase, so he will have enough to pay...

[@SNIPERBAUSCH]

@@isaacfryxelius979 oh I see I missed that when you were explaining it. I went back and heard it. Thanks for the response and clarification!

[@Crovax123]

Can you swich delegates if there's no more in your reserve?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

No, if I understand you correctly. The delegates are stuck in their parties until that party becomes ruling.

[@Braindoner101]

Wouldn’t mars first be dominant party? There’s four yellows, yellow is the leader there. Sure red is the main guy from last gen, but only has 3 in reds.

[@isaacfryxelius979]

Mars first has 4 delegates total, all yellow. Reds party have 5 delegates total (red player having 3 of these 5), so Reds party are in dominance.

[@Caiddenn]

Excellent! When can I buy this new expansion at retail?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

I think it should appear before Christmas, so you can give it to all your loved ones!

[@Caiddenn]

@@isaacfryxelius979 Great, I'll keep an eye out for it.

[@GeneralKetchup57]

13:48 ish Red Player has 3 INFLUENCE and 2 BUILDING TAGS. You say he has to pay 0 credits....why? Isn't it $2 * 2 Building Tags = $4 then - 3 INFLUENCE which makes it $1? Or does the 3 INFLUENCE subtract from the BUILDING TAGS? For example: 2 Building Tags - 3 Influence = 0 left to pay. Example 2: If RED had 1 Influence and 2 Building Tags, then they would pay $2?

[@Rhino88190]

2nd example

[@markus30musik]

Generous funding(terraforming lobbyism) - card : Do I get 2 Megacredits per influence even if I don't have a set?

[@jacekpawelski104]

15:39 "At the end of the game, when all global parameters have reached their goals, you do production one last time" A production phase at the end of the game without any further actions? Am I understanding it well? If so, then what's the purpose of it? Is it something about the Solar Phase?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

Arter the production phase, you are allowed to exchange plants to place greeneries, so you want to produce those plants. There may also be some awards that count resources. Finally, if there is a tie for first place in the game, then the player with most M€ wins.

[@jacekpawelski104]

@@isaacfryxelius979 Okay, thank you!

[@ElaDivine]

Will the red player have to pay 3ME after becoming chairman because of red policy?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

No, the policy is only active during the action phase.

[@bobdole8830]

What's the game design background behind the TM-rating reduction?

[@isaacfryxelius979]

Well, both thematically and design-wise we thought this made sense. We tried without this reduction at first, but the game turned into a everybody-wins-millions-always. So it made sense that because you gain so much from the terraforming committee, they must cut their budget somewhere else. Instead of getting a steady imcome based om old merits, you now try to influence the committee to give you a better bonus than the others.

[@bobdole8830]

@@isaacfryxelius979 Thanks for getting back to me. I guess it makes sense if you explain it that way, it's always interesting to better understand certain design decisions in a board game. We constantly kept forgetting that step though, even though it was right there on the cardboard, maybe we WANTED to forget ;) Have a great new year.

[@efharisto92]

I am not so charmed by the designer's self-advertisement in this thread, but other than that the expansion is really entertaining.