Terraforming Mars: Turmoil - Solo Playthrough - Utopia

[@danwaldow]

Love Turmoil! Waiting for my Kickstarter pack to arrive in the US. Thanks for your time to put this together!

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Cool! Hope you get it soon :)

40:00 Reds don’t get the neutral as that card is current. Greens will get it as they are upcoming

[@gilles_jobin]

When using colonies expansion, at setup, you must reduce M€ production 2 steps

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Indeed, mistakes were made :)

1:05:00 you get 3 influence, one for chairman, one for leader and one for having at least one delegate

1:58:00 you get a plant for each influence as well! (Plant production plus influence)

[@georgenichols9364]

Örjan Almén Arctic algea

@George Nichols Arctic Algae has nothing to do with the payment from that global event.

[@helvard]

At 1:30:17 You say you get the 2 plants from placing the ocean due to World Government - but aren’t all bonus’ foregone when you make World Government, even placement bonus’? Or are the solo rules different from the normal rules?

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Arctic Algea triggers regardless on how the ocean is placed from what I understand.

[@helvard]

Oh right, of course! Sorry about that ☺️

12:00 The dot is for promo and the diamond is for Turmoil

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Ahh!

[@TheStruffolo]

Hi. First thing: thanks for all your videos. I really love them and the way you explain boardgames. Would like to ask you your opinion about Turnoil expansion. I found it very nice but also a great help in solo play. I played 2 times and won both with 64 and 80 point. What’s your opinion?

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Hi! Thanks! I do like Turmoil, I havent played it much solo yet though, will do 7 more solo playthroughs, but they take time since there is more steps in the upkeep to handle, do like the events especially!

[@garethjones433]

Just watched your playthrough. It has probably been pointed out but you can only gain a max of 3 influence in normal circumstances. One for chairman, one for party leader and 1 for party member regardless of how many party members you have

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Thanks! Yeah I realized that after this was recorded, about to make the second playthrough in this serie and will remember it then :)

2:15:50 Predators can eat from your virtual opponent.

[@Mattiasthesecond]

2:06 you now missed to discard a card from the ones you collected from pluto twice

[@geertvanderslacht7223]

Like the extra camara but would use an extra frame on the left to show it constantly

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Hmm that is a possibility, I thaught about it but guessed it would take up too much space, but maybe I could have it in a good size of course! Thanks for the feedback! I might try it in the next playthrough coming soon :)

[@jonathanwest6266]

50:00 you should have lowered Heat prod, gained 4 heat, raised temp and then you'd only lose 5 heat!

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Hmm yeah, good idea! So much improvments to be made for future plays haha :)

[@helvard]

And get the heat production back ☺️

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

@@helvard Yeah! Wow, haha that would have been nice!

[@leroray8147]

42:13 i think you forgot to place a delegate into greens because of current event

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Thanks! Good catch!

2:24:00 0 Jovian tags + 1 influence makes 1 titanium.

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

I misunderstood this, learned today from Jonathan Fryxelius that I done this wrong haha

[@to4k1nade]

Always taking extra card for Pluto colony bonus but never discarding one. That’s neat! ;-)

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Hmm I recall discarding a card from that? Could you please leave a time stamp so I can make a Klingon subtitle note for other viewers? :) I probably messed it up but have forgotten it now haha

[@Bazant_official]

@@BoardgameswithNiramas About 1:52:00 you were going to discard Air Raid but instead you sold it ;)

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

@@Bazant_official haha cheating me!

[@Bazant_official]

@@BoardgameswithNiramas "Quick! The Fryx Bros aren't looking!" :D

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

@@Bazant_official Haha! I met them today at Essen Spiel actually :)

[@thibaultlaurent1288]

is it ok that you don't apply the rule 1 of turmoil (TR revison= that is losing 1 TR for all) ?

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Did I miss that? Do you remember at what point in the video?

[@thibaultlaurent1288]

@@BoardgameswithNiramas I thought but by watchting again i understood that you got one TR because of becoming chairman almost everytime. So i was wrong. Thancks for the video

[@to4k1nade]

You should have flown to Pluto to save 3 Energy from transforming into soon-to-lose Heat on that Generation 3 “Global Dust Storm” thing!..

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Good catch! Indeed!

[@adamkaucki8407]

@ 1:49:00, you didn't pay 3M€ to buy Imported Nitrogen @ 1:54:09, Pluto's Colony bonus is to draw and then discard 1 card, so you don't get to sell it for 1 M€. @ 2:06:00, you didn't discard 1 card from the 3 you drew from Pluto (I assume you would have discarded Floater Tech.) You got a lot closer on Venus than I (and maybe others) thought you would, though you didn't get any good venus cards until Orbital Reflectors near the end; that's the nature of a card game, especially now the deck is somewhere in the order of 300 cards (!) I'm a massive fan of TM - definitely my favourite game - and I'm excited for my Turmoil KS to arrive to play it for myself, and to play with the new player boards, which I've been wanting for ages now! I love the complexity of the parliament and global events, and I can already see more decisions my brother and I will have to make when we play your co-op solo variant when Turmoil arrives. Thank-you for all your playthroughs and for putting this early playthrough out there for all of us who haven't yet received our (KS) Turmoil packs yet!

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Thanks!!! Great comments :) Also fun to hear you use a coop variant also, I made my own and theres a video of that on the channel also :)

[@adamkaucki8407]

@@BoardgameswithNiramas In fact, I watched the very video you are referring to in learning how to play co-op solo ;)

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

@@adamkaucki8407 Wow cool! I wonder sometimes if anyone actually plays my variant or got inspired to develop it more :)

[@adamkaucki8407]

@@BoardgameswithNiramas We've developed it a little more - e.g., we each start with -1 M€ production to account for the -2 M€ production when playing with colonies, we agree on which one of the 4 colonies to remove from play at the start of the game, etc. I've ordered an extra hellas/elysium board with my Turmoil KS and my brother brought up the interesting and complicated idea of co-op solo with all 3 boards! I don't know if/how that might work, but I'm sure we'll explore that possibility and see how we go!

[@richardgullbrand5071]

Äntligen! Är du först på KZbin med solo på turmoil? Har inte sett någon annan än!

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Kul att du gillar den! Ja jag är först på både unboxing och playthrough :) Är kul, va samma på alla andra 4 expar också :)

[@richardgullbrand5071]

Jag spelar solo ganska ofta med de tidigare expansionerna och när spelgruppen känner för det så spelar vi även där. Är dock lite tveksam på att jag kommer köpa turmoil men vi får se efter att du har kört igenom några olika corporations :) vad tycker du om turmoil än så länge?

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

@@richardgullbrand5071 Jag gillar det väldigt mycket! Spelade idag på 4 spelare och det är riktigt roligt med parlamentet och eventen!

[@stephenjameschew]

which sleeves are you using? Appreciate your playthroughs btw.. great to watch

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Only use Ultimate Guard Supreme Matte these days, perfect fit and hate glare on cards :)

[@stephenjameschew]

@@BoardgameswithNiramas awesome.. thanks!

[@marksakihara7029]

i hope turmoil makes the game more challenging. ifound the last 3 expansions makes the solo game too easy. take care and keep up the good work

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Thanks Mark! Hmm to easy? I found it kinda same difficulty as earlier but maybe true, I do think Turmoil makes it harder cause of the event, well thats kind of random wich one comes out at wich part of the solo game..so it can vary

[@lmarquezgiron]

Nah… is not that easy. Maybe you’re gifted ahahaha.

[@gersonkphone]

@1:54:00 That was your forced discard from your Pluto colony. You don't get an MC

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

hahaha classic meltdown at the end for me, thanks for the catch!

[@Mattiasthesecond]

1:26 you also raised temperature that round, meaning you would have had even further 3 less mega credits

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Good catch..yeah I messed that up a bit hehe

[@tiagoazevedosoares]

Is the Venus track mandatory with Turmoil? I thought it wasn''t one of the win conditions.

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

With Venus playing Solo it makes it mandatory.

[@tiagoazevedosoares]

Didn't know that! Thanks!

[@LeviathanW98]

That card deck tho 😂😂😂

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Haha yeah its crazy

[@jonathanwest6266]

Playing solo with Colonies, shouldn't you start with -2MC production?

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Indeed.. haha wow, I knew I would forget something important.. :) Thanks Ill add a note in the subtitles!

[@mcfly5681]

Greetings from Russia!

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Hey! :)

23:00 Production before Solar Phase

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Thanks!

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

I dont think that ever matters right? But your correct, I actually learned today when playing on 4 players that we have been doing this in wrong order ever since Venus came out haha

Boardgames with Niramas not in a solo game at least. You might want to see the other players production before choosing in a multi player game. But probably doesn’t matter here either.

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

@ True, its amazing how one can do something wrong in a game for like 100 plays with different people in the game group and so on :)

[@marksakihara7029]

you should show us you and draco play turmoil with other people at essen spiel live online

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

That would have been coolm and impossible to set up with how the spiel is hehe, I got so many meetings I wont be playing any games here basically, its just work work work to get contacts and games to film :)

[@Mattiasthesecond]

2:14 ooh you had microbe tag from very start, so encladus would been activated at generation 1

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Hmm but a player has to be able to collect microbes though?

[@Mattiasthesecond]

@@BoardgameswithNiramas I forgot that was a rule condition, in my mind it were just get a tag or able to collect them

[@gersonkphone]

@2:23:10 your MC production was 15, not 5. The new mats are tricksy.

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

oh wow..thanks!

[@Mattiasthesecond]

1:28 you mention you would get 1 credit thanks to having microbes, while I missed when you played it, im sure you havent activated Encladus colony yet

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Good catch!

2:07:41 here you have 2 influence, not 4.

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Thanks Örjan for all the nice error catches! I made a bunch of updates to the Klingon Subtitles! :)

[@Mattiasthesecond]

40:00 to 42:00 Im pretty sure you missed changing the policy, edit: aah you did discover it moments later

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Thanks :)

[@jonathanwest6266]

28:xx increase colony track...

[@jonathanwest6266]

Ah you pick it up later!

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

@@jonathanwest6266 Thanks! Yeah it was somewhere deep in my mind haha

[@Mattiasthesecond]

49:16 you climb oxygen implying previous generations you have raised venus, venus next specificly mention you only raise a parameter on mars, so raising venus isnt possible (unless I missed out being exception for solo game)

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

Hmm the rules for "Solar phase" (WG) says clearly that the first player chooses a "non-maxed global parameter" so it can be on Mars or Venus track for sure. :)

[@tomaszvexling]

I'm sure you should have shown the events before you chose the cards.

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

yeah :)

[@tomaszvexling]

@@BoardgameswithNiramas Remember about the points for party leaders and the chairman after the last generation.

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

The solar phase never happens after last gen you check game end first.

[@tomaszvexling]

@@BoardgameswithNiramas Yes, but you score some poits for the parliament. It's not a solar phase.

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

ooh I totoally forgot about this, thanks!!

[@patrickwindisch5460]

I am afraid the game becomes a lot more work than joyful playing time adding game length as well. So the most boring solo game you have on KZbin. Just my opinion. ;-) Guess I will not play the game so often with Turmoil.

[@BoardgameswithNiramas]

I understand you but disagree, I had really fun with this, but taste varies, the good thing is everyone cna choose, wich expansions they wanna use for tmars :)

[@Wustenfuchs109]

In solo the addition that the Turmoil brings does add a bit more work and maybe some more planning. But in multiplayer it just blows the whole game out of the water. First of all, in several playthroughs, a player who simply ignored the political aspect of the game did not suffer at all. As a matter of fact, he had more $ to spend on other things. One or two players would usually combat for parliament domination while others would simply wait until the end of the turn to add their free candidates to the dominant party so they get at least 1 influence. In the end, the players that fought for parliament got maybe 3-4 extra TR (due to the Chairman being theirs) but others had ~$40 extra over the course of the game (that they didn't spend on lobbying) and extra cash is really important at the start for engine building. Events play a role in solo games but in multiplayer they hit all players almost equally, making them somewhat pointless but they do add extra level of annoyance as things get constantly shuffled around. The expansion does offer the idea of political fighting, more planning, in-depth strategy and all that - but the fact is, from all the games I played with it, if one player simply decides to ignore the whole parliament/event thingy, he is ahead of the others. Because all the changes and effects are 1. not that hard hitting 2. hit all players nearly the same. In solo, it has a bigger impact and has a feel that you are fighting a bunch of bureaucrats and trying to navigate the events that come your way that, you being a single player, impact only you. Multiplayer is long anyway, adding Turmoil to it and adding another ~30-45min of gameplay is simply pointless from the gameplay point of view. You don't get anything except more work for nothing. In solo, it actually makes sense to add it as only on solo does it add the promised requirement to plan a bit more and play a political game. All of this is from my personal experience of 4 solo and 3 multiplayer games (with 3, 4 and 5 players).