Terrible Relationship Lessons Movies Are Teaching

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Күн бұрын

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You've seen it in a million films: an insecure, socially awkward, unambitious loser somehow makes a beautiful woman fall in love with him. Suddenly cloning dinosaurs becomes a plausible real life idea.
In this video essay, you'll see how "Knocked Up", "The Forty Year Old Virgin", "The Five-Year Engagement" (basically everything with the name Judd Apatow) all carry the trope. So do "Notting Hill", "Four Weddings and a Funeral" (Hugh Grant was a trope champion), "Can't Hardly Wait", "I Love You, Beth Cooper" and all those "American Pie" spin-offs I didn't watch by my own free will, of course. Boys keep getting taught that love is all they need to conquer the heart of any model-level female.
Besides that fantasy, Hollywood insists that men are responsible for every single problem in the relationship. You'll see it in "Crazy, Stupid, Love" and "Crash Pad". Even in Billy Wilder's 1960 masterpiece "The Apartment".
As an antidote to this madness, make sure to watch the classics, when men were manly and relationships were win-win affairs (not in that meaning of "affair", ideally).
See here how Clark Gable, Cary Grant, Melvyn Douglas and Walter Huston teach men how to act during the good and the bad times of relationships.
00:00 Terrible Lesson #1
04:30 The Five-Year Engagement
05:26 How men should be
05:58 Cary Grant
06:43 Hugh Grant
07:33 Cantinflas in Pepe
09:17 Terrible Lesson #2
09:33 The Apartment
12:56 Crazy, Stupid, Love.
14:20 Crash Pad
15:47 Recovering my sanity (Dodsworth interlude)
16:08 The Classics (Casablanca, Gone with the Wind et al.)
By the way, be like Gable.
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@N_Loco_Parenthesis
@N_Loco_Parenthesis Жыл бұрын
Whoever is behind this channel, you have my heart. Contrasting Cary Grant and Hugh Grant. I just laughed my dinner all over the screen.
@JB-ti7bl
@JB-ti7bl 7 ай бұрын
OMG, someone finally pointed it out! Every relationship depicted in films for the past 30 years has one common quality: The man must be debased first before he gets the girl.
@MalachiLamb
@MalachiLamb 8 ай бұрын
Hard disagree on Hugh Grant, he's far too charismatic to be labeled in the same vain as the others. When his characters are bumbling or aimless as you described, the likability and attractiveness he displays never makes his characters feel like losers. Love the main point of the video tho!
@Nicksonian
@Nicksonian 8 ай бұрын
The worst lesson here is that someone like Seth Rogan-totally devoid of charm, looks, class, intelligence, and anything else that might make him interesting-can be a rich, Hollywood star.
@abloshow91
@abloshow91 8 ай бұрын
Superbad. Make one good movie you set for life also hes friends with judd apatow.
@qhoward5328
@qhoward5328 8 ай бұрын
I mean that’s his schitck.
@Sirzhukov
@Sirzhukov 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, nepotism goes a long way.
@negative6442
@negative6442 7 ай бұрын
@@qhoward5328 It's a terrible one
@dr.juerdotitsgo5119
@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 4 ай бұрын
On a completely unralated note, Seth Rogan is very Jewish.
@V9incent
@V9incent 8 ай бұрын
You skipped "Back To The Future" where Marty is literally teaching George McFly to be a man
@totallyfrozen
@totallyfrozen 8 ай бұрын
This channel creator is one of the funniest guys on KZbin, hands down. Also incredibly insightful about scripts and movie production. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
@dingdingdingdiiiiing
@dingdingdingdiiiiing 7 ай бұрын
The channel is criminally underrated.
@RanveerSingh-ps6eb
@RanveerSingh-ps6eb 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the analogy " as you try to tell a child there is no Santa Claus"😅😂
@Moviewise
@Moviewise 2 жыл бұрын
Little Pepe must be treated with kid gloves
@JamesTateWilson
@JamesTateWilson 7 ай бұрын
This was great, masculinity in films has been sewed the wrong way for a long time. We need to represent what a man truly should be like for his community and people he loves.
@notveiga5779
@notveiga5779 Жыл бұрын
Masterpiece .Please sir ,don't stop your work .
@Moviewise
@Moviewise Жыл бұрын
I’ll make sure I don’t
@Dan1elAndrade
@Dan1elAndrade 8 ай бұрын
Good video, I agree with most of it but there are some disagreements (Some parts of it I found it a little bit weird, like the assessment of the 40 year old virgin, which I remember very different), however the main point of it is totally in the right place, of course. If you stop thinking of women just as sexual objects, you stop simping for them. Because if you see them as human beings, you see them as a person with FLAWS as well, just like you, and you act accordingly. Instead of worrying about getting just one thing from them YOU SEE THEM AS EQUALS.
@bobbyjosson4663
@bobbyjosson4663 8 ай бұрын
Nooooooo. Of equal value yes, but never as equals. Women aren't attracted, drawn to, desirous of an equal. Ambition, vision, get-up and go, leading are masculine traits.
@cuckoobrain7999
@cuckoobrain7999 8 ай бұрын
@@bobbyjosson4663 That's just not true though, that's like some podcast bro incel logic
@bobbyjosson4663
@bobbyjosson4663 8 ай бұрын
@@cuckoobrain7999 Bullshit. I've no idea what podcasts you listen to but they aren't in touch with reality and you sound like a newbie to the world but one with a very closed mind...the stuff of the metro-sexual from the magazines and daily papers. I've expressed hardcore masculine traits, and had women melt, doe-eyed. Women seek guys with the traits of Clark Gable, Gary Cooper, John Wayne and Bogart, among others, it's in a 1,000 manuels from every country, in every era, in every epoch. From all the legendary lovers, the greatest ladies men, wild tomcats, dating gurus, naturals, and yes, women talk about it too, but only if they know you won't judge them. You could check out Robert Greene's best-selling "Seduction", or older texts from the last century. You may even check out Esther Parel of Dr. John Gottmann (he features in the best-selling book "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell and could tell if a relationship was going to last after watching a couple for 5 minutes). Men and women work, like all mammals on polarity. Watch some David Attenborough, if you get a chance.
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 8 ай бұрын
@@bobbyjosson4663 Nope. There's also charm, intelligent and sweetness. After all, Woody Allen was voted "Sexiest Man Alive" for 7 years running. Not every man need to be Sean Connery.
@bobbyjosson4663
@bobbyjosson4663 8 ай бұрын
@@CrazyMazapan Balderdash and very poor reasoning. A Woody Allen in the real world would have one thing going for him, wit. Even then, that kind of self-deprecating humour isn't catnip in romance and his constant self diminution would have her leaving him. He hasn't any charm in any traditional or modern sense. He is intelligent but that's not going to make him a ladies' man. At best he would be in "the friend zone", where she would unload her disappointments. As for the corrupt tabloid media showcasing him as "the sexiest man alive" - that's so foolish, it is beyond belief. Like those who've never fought or trained in a discipline saying Bruce Lee was the greatest martial artist, or Ali "the greatest". Did they compare Allen with every male on the planet? or put him in a room with a woman in a country in which he wasn't known to see how well he would do? What he had was celebrity from his fame, status and wealth. Three universal aphrodisiacs. Otherwise, he's not a model to follow as a man unless a boy wants to be simpish. You don't have to be a Connery. Absorb the essence of a Gable, a Tracey, a Cooper. And supplement that by growing past it. Get ambitious, have a vision for your life, learn skills, develop humour and wit, learn to fight so that you have the ability to protect loved ones, experience the great literature, music, film, poetry, radio drama, TV, and paintings, as well as an understanding of history, psychology, sociology, theology so you understand the world. And to paraphrase Kipling's 'If' - then you'll be a man.
@TheMightyPika
@TheMightyPika 8 ай бұрын
Movies from this era screwed up my understanding of relationships so bad it's taken years to remove their influence.
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 8 ай бұрын
I concur. It took me years to shake the "Cinderella syndrome"
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 8 ай бұрын
At the other end of the spectrum is The Woman in White, in which the plain girl and the main bloke work together, help each other and complement each other perfectly, in other words, they fit each other like a glove but he ends up with the bimbo anyway.
@Cinephileofmany
@Cinephileofmany 8 ай бұрын
Sitcoms as well as movies taught me that the man must always apologize. The arm folding Marge Simpson-esque character, must always be apologized to by her buffoonish jerky husband.
@JB-ti7bl
@JB-ti7bl 7 ай бұрын
That started in the 90's. A rigid hierarchy of winners and fools took root: Child (always the winner), woman, POC character, white male (always the fool).
@lookinforthe70s
@lookinforthe70s 7 ай бұрын
If James Bond existed years earlier, Cary Grant would have played him. No doubt.
@plr2473
@plr2473 8 ай бұрын
In spite of himself, many women were obsessed with Hugh Grant during his heyday. He was extraordinarily attractive and had screen presence. Plus he is not a half bad actor. I absolutely loved him in About A Boy
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 8 ай бұрын
He's charming, intelligent and sweet. Completely different from Seth Rogen who is brainless, charmless and a slob
@andrewjohnston4591
@andrewjohnston4591 7 ай бұрын
It’s easy to be obsessed with an emotionally open movie star. But take the movie star out of him and I wonder how endearing he would remain?
@derek96720
@derek96720 7 ай бұрын
It's also worth noting that in most of his films he goes through a "man-up" arc and ends the film being more confident and masculine.
@Emanuel-oz1kw
@Emanuel-oz1kw 7 ай бұрын
As a Mexican, seeing you using Cantinflas as an example in this video was a pleasant surprise.
@GregJamesMusic
@GregJamesMusic 8 ай бұрын
9:33 You put your finger on the one problem I have with _The Apartment:_ Fran's suicide attempt and subsequent depression aren't Bud's fault. Billy Wilder seems to want us to believe that Bud is "being a mensch" by taking the blame for something he didn't do, but it's really closer to how Gatsby meets his end - pathetically sacrificing himself for a woman who can't really appreciate what he's done for her. Luckily, both Fran and Bud get better by the end, but the notion that Bud has to pay for something he hasn't done is questionable, to say the least.
@andreasboe4509
@andreasboe4509 Жыл бұрын
I think you nailed the worst examples. Great work. This vid should be seen by millions.
@zsedcftglkjh
@zsedcftglkjh 9 ай бұрын
These romcoms make me physically sick! How am I only just discovering your channel?!
@newperve
@newperve 8 ай бұрын
Can we have a video on how horrible women are in modern movies, particularly rom-coms? I mean they are generally horrible. Remember that line is "As good as it gets." "I imagine a man, then I take away reason and accountability."? It's like they actually do that.
@JokerMxyzptlk
@JokerMxyzptlk 8 ай бұрын
Love your channel! If I could make just one request, it would be for you to have small text of the movie title whenever a little clip shows up rather than all the titles at the end out of context. but if that’s a hassle for some reason I’m OK just searching at the end like I’ve been doing.
@keiththorpe9571
@keiththorpe9571 7 ай бұрын
The trope of the puppy-dog, inoffensive, goofy-looking, socially maladroit, emotionally stunted damp squib of a guy somehow winning the heart of the gorgeous near-supermodel lead was actually elevated to the level of award-contender high art in the 70s by the unlikeliest tool of all time...Woody Allen.
@Account.for.Comment
@Account.for.Comment 7 ай бұрын
That man who actually managed to obtain many girlfriends much younger than he is.
@rosezingleman5007
@rosezingleman5007 5 ай бұрын
And Dudley Moore, but ultimately Woody Allen hooked up with his adopted daughter.
@Account.for.Comment
@Account.for.Comment 5 ай бұрын
And Charlie Chaplin, the greatest comedy talent to come out of Hollywood, always has a beautiful female lead in his movies. The trope being high art is older than movie.
@N_Loco_Parenthesis
@N_Loco_Parenthesis 3 ай бұрын
@@rosezingleman5007 No, you young cretin, that is NOT TRUE. Allen fell in love with his ex-partner's adopted daughter, and they got together, got married, raised a family, and are still together today, thirty years on. See if you can make a relationship last that long, but before that, learn the facts and stop flaunting your misguided opinions.
@N_Loco_Parenthesis
@N_Loco_Parenthesis 3 ай бұрын
@keiththorpe9571 All those epithets you flung at Allen, except maybe for "goofy-looking", are misapplied, and purely out of malice. Allen was always successful with women because he's highly intelligent, handsome in an intellectual sort of way, and of course a comedic genius. He's never been a "tool", so work on your maturity, and recognise your pathetic jealousy for what it is.
@JohnMoseley
@JohnMoseley 9 ай бұрын
In Casablanca, I think, Rick has at least two related reasons for telling Ilsa to go with Laszlo. One is so he can go fight in the resistance, but maybe the more compelling is that, if she'd stayed, he'd never have known for sure that she wasn't whoring herself out to him to save Laszlo. The dilemma's been foreshadowed and set up in the depiction of Captain Renaud's sexual exploitation of women in war-related crises, and Rick's only semi-covert opposition to it, the first contradiction of his claim that he sticks his neck out for no one. There's a risk, of course, that Ilsa really does love Rick more than she loves Laszlo, but it barely matters: she clearly does love Laszlo and Laszlo has been, up to this point, by far the better man and more than earned his happy ending. In contrast, it would be faintly obscene for Rick to go straight from dilettante bar owner serving drinks to Nazis to a happy-ever-after romantic ending.
@newperve
@newperve 8 ай бұрын
At first I thought Captain Renault was an utter scumbag for what he did. But then I realized he sent Annian to get advice from Rick, knowing he'd help her out. Rick has done this before, so why send her to him? Because if they really object, if it really hurts them, he's not interested. Of course there's also the money, but fundamentally there's a limit to what he will subject women to.
@maartendj2724
@maartendj2724 8 ай бұрын
Didn't see the movies you mentioned, but Hugh Grant is a very good looking and charismatic actor, I can totally see beautiful and accomplished women falling for him. He's also British.
@atlanta2076
@atlanta2076 8 ай бұрын
Your humor is impeccable. I'm glad I found this channel!
@askarsfan2011
@askarsfan2011 8 ай бұрын
I haven't seen The Apartment, but it doesn't sound like they definitely end up together. It looks like the ending is ambiguous.
@liltick102
@liltick102 7 ай бұрын
I think about all the stuff you talk about (despite being a critical cinephile anyway- you really talk about the thing’s I wish to hear spoken about, great channel for my taste.)
@pmiskovic
@pmiskovic 4 ай бұрын
This channel is videos about what I've thought about for years, but with hilarious clips, great comedic timing, cool examples from movies I haven't seen. Plus it's fighting the good fight against bad movies! I love it.
@JBugz777
@JBugz777 Жыл бұрын
Hey! - Leave Georgi out of this! - That Seinfeld episode is exactly contrary to the argument your'e making
@liltick102
@liltick102 7 ай бұрын
I loved the bit about The Apartment... would love to see video essay’s on random film’s from you. These are more or less that, analytical- but yeah, “Ugetsu Retrospective” , “Herzog Retrospective” type shit would be great from you, idk if that’d be as enjoyable to make but frfr
@alptigin5438
@alptigin5438 7 ай бұрын
I don't know what you're talking about. I take my uncombed hair, mismatched outfit and lame car up to girls' houses all the time and stand there holding a boombox playing Peter Gabriel and it still works every time.
@albertoflanolombardo4155
@albertoflanolombardo4155 9 ай бұрын
I'm here just to say that your channel is awesome and that I've been here since almost the begining.
@AlessandroStamatto
@AlessandroStamatto Жыл бұрын
Great analysis, good to see some great scenes from Classic Movies, old but gold xD
@vitalysikorskiy5938
@vitalysikorskiy5938 7 ай бұрын
This is seriously one of the best channels on all of youtube.
@BigBlobProductions
@BigBlobProductions 8 ай бұрын
I agree with everything, but my goodness you tore my heart out when you went after "The Apartment". No trash talking the Wilder, man😂
@dmathis01
@dmathis01 7 ай бұрын
"The Drop" nicely reverses this idea. The Tom Hardy character seems like the loser, puppy-dogging around Noomi Rapace (who wouldn't?) until near the end of the movie. Then he suddenly steps up in a critical situation and the effect is chilling.
@EddieCaplan
@EddieCaplan Ай бұрын
Best relationship advice I ever received: you have to be honest about what YOU want. Which is your point.
@jodi2847
@jodi2847 Ай бұрын
In the third act of The Apartment, when Lemmon quits his job and tells his stammering boss, "Save it. The old payola won't work anymore," I swooned a little at what he became in that moment (just like you said): Emotionally mature, motivated, confident. i.e. authentically desirable. And on a different note, YES, one should ALWAYS do what Clark Gable would do.
@x4president1
@x4president1 7 ай бұрын
2:17 is literally describing the Kevin James meme now
@Mondomeyer
@Mondomeyer 8 ай бұрын
9:43 You forgot cookie-wise. That's the way it crumbles, you know?
@johnjay370
@johnjay370 8 ай бұрын
I don't understand why movies can change people's minds and world views. It never did for me. Most of the time I am left wondering how the characters would survive in reality. Bad decisions that dont have the consequences associated with them always pull me out of a story.
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 8 ай бұрын
Try a little imagination. Let go and you might find yourself being inspired. Also, watch more classics.
@johnjay370
@johnjay370 8 ай бұрын
@@CrazyMazapan who are you talking to and what are you talking about? Your comment is highlighted under my comment. But it doesn't tag you as talking to me
@desuretard8654
@desuretard8654 8 ай бұрын
​@@johnjay370 the guys brainwashed it sounds, like he just got sent on a mission by a cult.
@zorothe9th
@zorothe9th 7 ай бұрын
One problem with these films is that how the woman is this beautiful and healthy accomplished person while the man is the one who doesnt even put effort into his appearance let alone anything else and yet he magically get the girl with no earning. Telling men they can be boys who arent goal oriented and dont clean up their act that they can have whatever they want, and you get incels
@foe9034
@foe9034 8 ай бұрын
Showed this brilliant video to my girlfriend. She loved it! Thanks!
@zetectic7968
@zetectic7968 9 ай бұрын
I watched the 5 year engagement - it was awful & don't really know why Seth Rogan has a movie career, he is the same character in all his roles & that annoying laugh. Look at real life & who Emily Blunt married. If nice guys actually got a "hot chick" they would either be dumb or a serial cheater.
@buzzcrushtrendkill
@buzzcrushtrendkill 7 ай бұрын
Being a connected Jew is just coincidence.
@jono8181
@jono8181 8 ай бұрын
Excellent work my friend.
@Moviewise
@Moviewise 8 ай бұрын
Thank you enormously, my friend!
@nate_d376
@nate_d376 8 ай бұрын
Not only in the movies, but the real world effect has come to fruition, sadly.
@Jhon_wick03
@Jhon_wick03 2 ай бұрын
you spoke my heart friend
@AETorrePuerto
@AETorrePuerto 8 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙌.
@silverwheel
@silverwheel 8 ай бұрын
Knocked Up was the one where I lost patience with Apatow (and also killed my interest in seeing Seth Rogen again). Oh no, somebody got pregnant from a hook-up, better force a marriage onto this! And while you're at it, try to bury your respective personalities for the abstract sake of "trying to make it work with each other." Yes, people have to evolve with each other to make a long-term thing work, but those two people were a horrible fit who should never have tried it in the first place. I'd be fine if the movie were more actively trying to satirize the situation, but I didn't get that feel at all from it.
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 8 ай бұрын
In case of fire, save your bong, not your pregnant girlfriend. And she still chooses him. I know he changed his ways but that was an "I'm out" moment if I've ever seen one.
@dr_volberg
@dr_volberg 7 ай бұрын
Worst relationship advice from movies: surviving a terrible ordeal together is a basis for a relationship.
@AGirlofYesterday
@AGirlofYesterday 8 ай бұрын
I blame Pauline Kael for the "schmucks nailing models" trope. In Woody Allen's early days she told him, "Woody, the audience wants to see you as the romantic hero who gets the girl." Naturally, Allen was dubious, considering he's a self-important, repellent little worm and somewhere deep down he knew it. But he took her advice -- for decades -- and that's why really dumpy men believe hot young women want them. Thanks, Pauline, for creating a monster.
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 8 ай бұрын
Woody Allen was voted "Sexiest Man Alive" for 7 years running and he married some amazing women. Intelligence and the ability to make them laugh counted.
@AGirlofYesterday
@AGirlofYesterday 8 ай бұрын
@@CrazyMazapan I'm sure many dads think their adopted daughters are "amazing," but most don't marry them. That's a joke, son! But seriously. We could debate the attractiveness of Woody Allen the man all day (agree he is intelligent and witty but still incredibly icky). What I'm saying is that I believe the schlubby character he plays on screen hooking up with hot women in his 70s-80s movies is what first sparked the trope. It was the seed that sprouted the Judd Apatow branch. That's all.
@menninkainen8830
@menninkainen8830 8 ай бұрын
Everything I did not expect from the title 👌
@johnclements5535
@johnclements5535 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Moviewise
@Moviewise 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@zorothe9th
@zorothe9th 7 ай бұрын
Feels like films did a lot to put a gap between the sexes in the world
@SwingingInTheHood
@SwingingInTheHood 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant, Dude, just brilliant.
@vdiitd
@vdiitd Ай бұрын
I recently watched the movie The Apartment and I couldn't agree more with you. I was liking it until the end when *spoiler* Baxter tells Fran that he loves her. He should have just left.
@artygreen4810
@artygreen4810 8 ай бұрын
@17:14 When she gets tossed on the bed and it breaks, what movie is that?
@Moviewise
@Moviewise 8 ай бұрын
The Quiet Man (John Ford, 1952)
@artygreen4810
@artygreen4810 8 ай бұрын
@@Moviewise Thank you!
@user-tf1rq9vg1j
@user-tf1rq9vg1j 8 ай бұрын
Amazing what can happen in a movie when a director and the screen writers want it to happen.
@monogalaxia
@monogalaxia 22 күн бұрын
My god, was this an eye opener!
@jeshplappert1333
@jeshplappert1333 8 ай бұрын
Is this Jordy from Premier Basics? The voice in the videos? It sounds exactly like him but doing a character. Very good content though! Thank you! Jordy.
@jbolanowski1
@jbolanowski1 7 ай бұрын
I needed that fucking video... seriously
@NostromoVA
@NostromoVA 7 ай бұрын
You, sir, are a g*dd*mn genius. Keep making these gems of masterful analysis, please!
@FerdIsaacs
@FerdIsaacs 7 ай бұрын
BRILLIANT!
@goblinslayer7096
@goblinslayer7096 4 ай бұрын
I think there is something to be said for an untraditional male role to get the girl. Where she see's his sense of humor our he supports her in another way. But it is insane how pretty much every strong male character has to have their legs cut out from under them and humiliated at least once in the franchise. I've met guys who were genuinely super people and weren't insecure, sexist, simps, awkward, weak, or lame. It's not unrealistic for a guy to be charming and witty. Call me nuts but it'd be nice to have more role models rather than every guy in the public eye having to be a fucking clown from characters, to talk who hosts, and politicians. I guess the "real men" are at work providing for a family lol.
@submarinefilms3523
@submarinefilms3523 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! is crazy how many young man take Ted Mosby as a good dating example
@Moviewise
@Moviewise Жыл бұрын
*slams table* THANK YOU!
@claduke
@claduke 9 ай бұрын
@@MoviewiseTed didn’t spend nine seasons telling his kids how much he sucked until he didn’t for his kids to also suck.
@Theomite
@Theomite 9 ай бұрын
I represent the Apatow loser guy and I have always hated his movies for many reasons, namely his COMPLETE DEPENDENCE ON AD-LIBBING AND EDITING INSTEAD OF WRITING FUCKING JOKES, but also this. I became pretty aware pretty fast that this was just another layer on the pyramid built on writers drafting their wish fulfillment into victory stories. But it's bullshit, and I keep waiting for the movie where the guy doesn't get the girl, knows he won't, and isn't put off by it when it doesn't happen. Contrary to popular opinion, not all of us become incels or mass shooters; most of us just get used to it and run out the clock until we die.
@MontagTheMagician
@MontagTheMagician 8 ай бұрын
Cyrano de Bergerac (the Jose Ferrer version, NOT the Dinklage one)
@Pastel_of_Nate
@Pastel_of_Nate 8 ай бұрын
​@@MontagTheMagician I understand your example, but I don't think it trully fits, since I would hardly call Cyrano a loser.
@MontagTheMagician
@MontagTheMagician 8 ай бұрын
@@Pastel_of_Nate loser in love for sure. Not in anything else.
@GregJamesMusic
@GregJamesMusic 8 ай бұрын
@@Pastel_of_Nate Definitely not. Cyrano's a winner at everything except Roxane, and the tragic irony of the play's ending is that she WAS in love with him, and neither of them knew until it was too late.
@TheatreThreads
@TheatreThreads 6 ай бұрын
I love your analysis and would like to sponsor an episode. How can I discuss this matter with you??
@zaq55
@zaq55 7 ай бұрын
The current, best example of losers getting women in film: Adam Sandler
@johnjay370
@johnjay370 8 ай бұрын
The quality of entertainment is basically at the floor. There is nowhere to go but up.
@0bvs101
@0bvs101 4 ай бұрын
Social engineering my friend, weaken the males and society is doomed. In fact nice guys walking away does get even the toxic ones chasing after him. Your editing is second to none, especially the Simpsons 😅
@michaelscarn7375
@michaelscarn7375 7 ай бұрын
UN worth of Red flags killed me
@bilgedastogroup
@bilgedastogroup 29 күн бұрын
how did you not mention William Powell?
@goatpie882
@goatpie882 Жыл бұрын
Is the Apartment the story the musical Promises Promises is based off of? It sounds like it....
@Moviewise
@Moviewise Жыл бұрын
Well spotted! Yes! Promises Promises is one of the three musicals based on Billy Wilder's films. The others being Sugar (from Some Like It Hot) and Sunset Boulevard, one of the best ever
@goatpie882
@goatpie882 Жыл бұрын
@@Moviewise Sunset Boulevard by Andrew Lloyd Webber is one of the best musicals ever? :O
@Moviewise
@Moviewise Жыл бұрын
@@goatpie882 Definitely!
@goatpie882
@goatpie882 Жыл бұрын
@@Moviewise interesting! What’s your favorite musical ever?
@Moviewise
@Moviewise Жыл бұрын
@@goatpie882 I may change my mind at any time, but for now I'll say West Side Story. How about you?
@mistershoot
@mistershoot 9 ай бұрын
hello, nice video. I just disagree on your view of "The Apartment", at the end, she realized that he gave up everything for her, so there is a shift in her mind, she runs to his place, he is about to leave, when he says he loves her, you are showing facepalms, but I think it's wrong, baxter reach the point where he can say what he truly means. and she replies "shut up and deal", I heard shut up and deal with it (the fact that you love me) and she takes her coat off, meaning she is ready to be loved again. One could argue that there is no kiss, but my guess was and still that she is ready to try to live with someone who really love her, instead of sheldrake who lied over and over. baxter gets her because he is truly in love with her, baxter's multiple attempt to seduce her were shadowed by sheldrake beahaviour. great channel.
@czwarty7878
@czwarty7878 9 ай бұрын
"she realized that he gave up everything for her" but that's the problem. This doesn't happen in real life. People won't respect someone who doesn't respect himself, and if you're such a doormat and pushover as to give away everything in life while getting nothing in return, for someone who clearly not only isn't interested in you but also thinks lowly of you, that means you're not respecting yourself. And this is actually universal, to both women and men. Having self respect is vital, you can never expect others to respect you more than you respect yourself, so you will always be disrespected that way and never be treated right.
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 8 ай бұрын
And she still behaves like a little b**ch
@brunoj3444
@brunoj3444 7 ай бұрын
I agree with your examples of bad movies where someone uninteresting ends up with the ''hottest woman in the world'' for no apparent reason. However, I don't agree with your examples of ''good films''. In these examples, they are always men around 60 years old, most of the time rude and rich, who end up ''conquering'' an 18-year-old girl. Another very recurring theme in Hollywood since forever.
@judeinfante8909
@judeinfante8909 8 ай бұрын
Personal my favorite romance film is Amour by Michael Haneke. Switch the genders it still very powerful and beautiful considering its about dying.
@ashtar4413
@ashtar4413 Жыл бұрын
1:17 🥾💥 EMOTIONAL DAAAHHMAGE!
@abrahemsamander3967
@abrahemsamander3967 8 ай бұрын
“Love has got to stop short of suicide” based.
@thephantomoftheparadise5666
@thephantomoftheparadise5666 8 ай бұрын
Why would I ever want to be like Seth Rogan?
@ulaznar
@ulaznar 8 ай бұрын
So Moviewise comes from one of my favourite movies? I would instantly subscribe, if I wasn't already subscribed
@riosrios6106
@riosrios6106 7 ай бұрын
Have you any female friends @moviewise ?
@MontagTheMagician
@MontagTheMagician 8 ай бұрын
You should do one about John Cusack. I HATE that MFer. Why do ladies love him so much? He'd never get a woman acting like that in real life.
@sharifmansour9678
@sharifmansour9678 8 ай бұрын
Lmao your impression of Hugh Grant talking
@genin69
@genin69 7 ай бұрын
Fuck in hell. Where was this video 20yrs ago. I think you fixed me in one video. Thanks hombre
@SardonicCrusader
@SardonicCrusader 7 ай бұрын
You gasped at the John Lennon joke, I subbed for the John Lennon joke. We are not the same.
@dennismason3740
@dennismason3740 4 ай бұрын
I hereby challenge Moviewise to experimentally create one video with zero d**k jokes.
@FencingMessiah
@FencingMessiah 23 күн бұрын
Movies are supposed to be fantasies. A lot of artists and consumers have forgotten this and take them as gospel truth
@abrahemsamander3967
@abrahemsamander3967 8 ай бұрын
10:40. You may have a point here. But keep in mind the time period the movie was made. Sleeping around was discouraged, especially for women. So it’s not really her not liking him(at least, that’s not the full reason.) but she probably doesn’t want men to think she’s sleeping around before marriage. Otherwise. Really like the video, modern movies have really damaged dating.
@abrahemsamander3967
@abrahemsamander3967 8 ай бұрын
Okay. Saw the rest of the video. So she is a bosses mistress, so that means she does in fact sleep around. But I’d still argue that doesn’t mean she wants people to view her that way. Or maybe you’re right and she just doesn’t like the idea of people thinking the main character slept with her. I agree a man should take the Cary Grant approach.
@abrahemsamander3967
@abrahemsamander3967 8 ай бұрын
I mean Clark Gable(that was an epic like by the way.)
@geemac7267
@geemac7267 5 ай бұрын
I guess it tells us a lot about the writers in Hollywood when these are the fantasies they bring to the studios. Hollywood must be full of guys who didn't do well with women because or dorkiness or effeminate look/behavior because that is their go-to ideal characters now.
@BradleySmithYoutube
@BradleySmithYoutube 6 ай бұрын
I love your channel and appreciate the video, however I don’t fully agree that the protagonists of the classics are stronger characters to the awkward, dorky guys we see in modern rom-coms. We need character development, so if the main character is constantly spouting off witty retorts, looks the sexiest, and has a successful career then what do they have to overcome? Not as a much, at least.
@farihaahmed4790
@farihaahmed4790 6 ай бұрын
In reality those character wouldn’t even get close to the girls in rom com. Let alone date them and become a better man. So It's kinda dumb.
@vonunterberg4313
@vonunterberg4313 8 ай бұрын
What movie was 5:40?
@Moviewise
@Moviewise 8 ай бұрын
Ninotchka (Ernst Lubitsch, 1939)
@vonunterberg4313
@vonunterberg4313 8 ай бұрын
@@Moviewise Thank you kind sir!
@endtimestcg5146
@endtimestcg5146 Жыл бұрын
David Lindhagen.... Marissa Tomei....
@GreatGooglieWooglie
@GreatGooglieWooglie 8 ай бұрын
Agreed on all counts except where little kids are concerned
@samp.8099
@samp.8099 6 ай бұрын
9:02 Pepe is three hours long?!
@edithweil1647
@edithweil1647 9 ай бұрын
Hugh Grant plays against type all the time these days.
@GregJamesMusic
@GregJamesMusic 8 ай бұрын
I love that he's working with Guy Ritchie now. His turn in _The Gentlemen_ is his best work in years.
@charlespuruncajas9663
@charlespuruncajas9663 8 ай бұрын
Pretty good point but I'd like to see a take on the Before Trilogy starring Julie Delpy and Ethan Hawke
@magnusalexander2965
@magnusalexander2965 8 ай бұрын
Interesting idea but I'd like a hamburger and fries
@darioscomicschool1111
@darioscomicschool1111 8 ай бұрын
2:58
@ahenathon
@ahenathon 8 ай бұрын
Firstly, this is a film which is an escape from reality. Realism in films is super boring. Secondly, I have seen many pretty girls hanging out with ugly losers. The look does not grants you everything else grown up should have. Most of us have totally incompetent parents. That is enough to be broken for life. Broken people are engaging in bad relationships.
@ShayTsfoni
@ShayTsfoni 6 ай бұрын
I mostly love your videos and the way you explain and present technical, artistic and even emotional aspects of films and I'll keep watching those, but I need to remember to stay away from your videos about "manliness". you have a very specific and narrow view on what a man should be. you grade people's worth by looks, their jobs and wealth, which in my opinion is a pretty boring, silly and materialistic way to look at your fellow humans. From watching this video it seems your favorite men are the ones shown leaving women (as if that's a character trait). I agree with your opinion that people in general (not just men) need to have self worth, stand up for themselves and be authentic in speaking their needs and wants, but there are many different, interesting and creative ways to do and show that. I don't hear you saying much about the boring and just there to be pretty roles that women got in those classic films and in modern films as well. I don't disagree with everything you say in these videos about masculinity but so much of it sounds so old fashioned in the sense that there is one way to be a man, and being different from that is a weakness. all these films you make fun of (which I agree are not the best pieces of writing in the world and certainly don't have the best morals to teach us) have come in contrast to show that there are more ways to be a man than what the classics were showing. And while creating some truly amazing cinema, those classics you show were not very original about what a male lead could be like. Not to mention that those men were confident but also often pretty massive douches...
@johnjay370
@johnjay370 8 ай бұрын
I am not shure its these movies fault. I years past no one took these Ideas seriously but now people pretend to believe that they work. Because human nature doesn't change. People will not just blindly believe a movie enless already programmed by propaganda through education and family.
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