You'll Never Hear Dialogue the Same Way Again

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Moviewise

Жыл бұрын

Discussions about movie dialogue always revolve around matters of style, whether the language is heightened, snappy, literary, realistic or naturalistic. But there is one aspect of dialogue that should always come first: content.
I raise the theory that there are only two types of content for dialogue, both in fiction and in real life: the Practical and the Analytical.
Practical: facts and events. Reality. Things that happened, that are happening and that will happen.
Analytical: Ideas and feelings. Opinions, hypotheses, analyses, analogies, metaphors, connections and conclusions.
Basically this is the MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) dichotomy of the preference for Sensing or Intuition applied to dialogue.
Practical and Analytical are rarelly absolutes. They are poles, with dialogue mostly falling somewhere in the middle. But everyone still has a natural preference for one type of dialogue or the other.
Many screenplays have subpar dialogue because of an excess of the Practical: characters speak about the plot, about stuff that happened, is happening and will happen (remember "Game of Thrones"?). But the Practical should be used only to provide exposition and to prepare characters to talk analytically.
Take every film that is praised for its excellent dialogue ("His Girl Friday", "The Maltese Falcon", "Casablanca", "All About Eve", "Sweet Smell of Success", "The Apartment", "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?", "A Man for All Seasons", "The Lion in Winter", "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid", "The Godfather", "Annie Hall", "Pulp Fiction", to name a few in here). What do they all have in common?
All these films have their characters think and speak about their points of view concerning the world around them. The Analytical permits characters to be fleshed out and feel like real humans, not merely tools to move the plot along.
The Practical and the Analytical can also be used to differentiate characters. Have you ever noticed how common is the pair of characters made up of the dreamer and the doer? One character likes to talk about ideas, the other speaks less and gets things done. Make sure to watch HBO's "Rome"; Vorennus and Pulo made up one of the best duos in TV history.
As much as being Analytical is connected to intelligence and sophistication, it is also related to arrogant pedants. The character who is to the point and objective (Practical) can also be an intelligent man of action.
Jean-Pierre Melville made a career out of Practical men who only speak what and when they need to. On the other hand, Éric Rohmer made a career out of characters who only speak analytically.
In this video essay we'll go through this whole theory with plenty of examples.
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@johncenter4858
@johncenter4858 7 ай бұрын
Eleanor Roosevelt: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
@abn3r507
@abn3r507 Жыл бұрын
Woah...this is really mind blowing..not only in movies but in real life when people talk overly practical they come off as obnoxious sometimes...thank you for this
@Novastar.SaberCombat
@Novastar.SaberCombat 7 ай бұрын
Intelligence gaps between two individuals can REALLY F up conversations. 😂 One person might as well be speaking Aramaic.
@luminiferous1960
@luminiferous1960 7 ай бұрын
It is also true that when people talk overly analytically they sometimes come off as obnoxious, especially when the analysis is not about something of practical importance. Often in real life as in movies, TV shows, plays, and books, the best dialogue is an analytical conversation about some practical topic, such as a conversation about what the participants in the conversation think and/or feel about some event in the past, present, or future, for example.
@luminiferous1960
@luminiferous1960 7 ай бұрын
@@Novastar.SaberCombat In addition to gaps in intelligence per se, there also can be gaps in types of intelligence such as a conversation between a highly intelligent engineer and a non-technical person with high emotional intelligence. In this case, they both may be speaking English, but they really don't speak each other's language.
@lesslycarthan956
@lesslycarthan956 7 ай бұрын
I'm a writer I got a a hole boss that says thank you but in the way is sarcasm clock out for me thank you. See that's a ass whooping then the shift managers think that's the path to leadership. They repeat this sarcasm in almost every text.can you take the trash out for me thank you. When you reverse it they pull you aside and say you're being insubordinate why because you caught their shade.i once told them an empty can rattles the most and was suspended for a week. Don't like the taste don't do it we're all grown here as long as we're doing our jobs don't try to high camp because nobody owns nothing we're all representing the company and owners.until you own this bitch change your tone
@Selrisitai
@Selrisitai 7 ай бұрын
@@luminiferous1960 Emotional intelligence? You mean "social skills"?
@RobinBSmith
@RobinBSmith 7 ай бұрын
This is a nice formulation. My fiction writing teacher had said, 'good dialogue needs to either advance the plot or reveal character' but then those concepts still remain mysterious to many as to how you accomplish that. This helps define and orient the differences.
@jeremysmith9480
@jeremysmith9480 7 ай бұрын
Practical dialogue is typically used to advance plot, with analytical dialogue revealing character. But I think the very best dialogue does this in reverse - practical dialogue that reveals who a character is, and analytical dialogue that becomes a key event in the plot.
@RobinBSmith
@RobinBSmith 7 ай бұрын
@@jeremysmith9480 I like that and your point reveals that these are intersecting concepts rather than different formulations for the same thing!
@holdingpattern245
@holdingpattern245 6 ай бұрын
If the movie needs you to know that a certain character is greedy, then you write dialogue with that purpose; and if the movie needs you to know that a certain character is going to board a plane tomorrow, then you write the dialogue with that purpose.
@ExtraCheeseProject
@ExtraCheeseProject Жыл бұрын
Novelist James Hynes made a point which stuck with me: (paraphrased) _If you read the Watergate Transcripts you'll marvel at how even the President is incapable of having an interesting conversation._ The upshot being that 'realistic dialogue' has no place in fiction. Stylistically I like the overly-dramatised practical dialogue in Walter Hill movies like The Warriors (1979) or The Driver (1978), whereas how much I like analytical dialogue depends entirely on the quality of the dialogue, as you say it's a matter of content. I'd never considered it before watching this so a 'thought provoking' essay (as usual).
@TentacleseRex
@TentacleseRex 8 ай бұрын
13:10? 13:30? Which directors???
@ExtraCheeseProject
@ExtraCheeseProject 8 ай бұрын
@@TentacleseRex I don't know and @Moviewise won't be notified of a reply to my comment 😅
@pydekki
@pydekki 8 ай бұрын
@@TentacleseRex Jean-Pierre Melville and Éric Rohmer.
@Theomite
@Theomite 8 ай бұрын
ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN is a pretty good example of how analytical dialogue can work and be dramatic despite being boring on many occasions. The air traffic controller scene in CLOSE ENCOUNTERS ot3K is 90% "shop talk" and yet it's captivating without dumbing down the language. Like I argued in my own post, exposition is an art form, like a Swiss watch and when it's done right, it's magnificent but oh my holy fucking god does it require skilled hands to pull off and you just don't find a whole lot of skilled technicians in this new generation of filmmakers, although...a handful of them with their own followings (Eggars, Aster, etc.) are starting to demonstrate that.
@elevenseven-yq4vu
@elevenseven-yq4vu 8 ай бұрын
This topic makes me think of two observations by Hannah Arendt: 1. On the nazi war criminal Eichmann (how banal and incapable of self-reflection / analysis; only talking practicalities) he came across, basically an (in her native German language:) "Hans Wurst" (= Johnny Sausage = figuratively: a plain dumb person; either an useful idiot, or an awkward fool who considers himself to be smart but behaves cringeworthily). 2. On German intellectuals who for some reason or other sympathized with the Nazis: The problem with them was that they came up with just too much that they could think about Hitler, instead of just perceiving what he was, and failing to take what he said and did at face value: A brutish, uncouth, uneducated, opportunistic, ruthless, antisemitic simpleton with an instinct for and will to power.
@terrifictomm
@terrifictomm 6 ай бұрын
This perfectly describes my daily challenge with relationships. 99% of the time people only want to speak superficially, i.e., practically. Whereas I prefer speaking analytically 80% - 90% of the time. I don’t just want to know what you said or did on your vacation. I want to know why you did it, what you learned from it, and how the experience changed you or altered your perception of the world. I’m looking for a connection, something that gives me a reason to emotionally share your experience with you. If you simply tell me what you did, you’re not giving me anything I can connect to, especially if I’ve never traveled. I have no way to relate to your experience to myself or to gain something from it so that I can feel grateful to you for! Why should I care? What relevance is your experience to me? It was your experience alone. to which all I can say is, "Congratulations." This is NOT me being selfish! Although 99% of people think it is. If I cannot make a connection between what happened to you on your vacation and myself I cannot use your experience to create a new connection between us, which is what relationships are supposed to be about. Mutual connections. Shared values. I am a person seeking a connection with you. I don’t want to simply hear what you are saying. I want to have a reason to make your experience mine. Which is how relationships are made and strengthened. Lacking these new connections is how old relationships wither and die. That is NOT selfish.😢 I am attempting to expand with my mind and my heart the range of experiences we share by looking for reasons to join you in your experiences. THAT is friendship. At least, that’s what friendship is to an Aspergian like me.
@davineuskens21
@davineuskens21 6 ай бұрын
i understand what you're saying, I'm very similar. I've learned that I dont need to wait for them to say what I wanna hear, I can just ask them
@terrifictomm
@terrifictomm 6 ай бұрын
@@davineuskens21 Unfortunately, at least 95% of the time practical and instrumental people have no answer to an analytical question. It never occurs to them, for example, that they might have actually learned something or grown as a result of their experience. They don’t seem to see the world in that way. Perhaps these are the people who just enjoy an action adventure movie with no real point beyond catching the McGuffin.
@davineuskens21
@davineuskens21 6 ай бұрын
Oh, I see. Yea, I have experience with these people too. I used to ask my mom stuff that I consider normal, and she'd be like "there you go again with your difficult questions 🙄" It's very frustrating. @@terrifictomm
@terrifictomm
@terrifictomm 5 ай бұрын
@@Daniel_Bx Your projection skills are off the chain! Hilarious! “…people hate it when others nerd out because it makes them feel inadequate in their own lack of effort, excellence generates jealousy so we just put everyone down so no one ever feels bad. [Yes, you do.] Dumbest culture ever if you ask me, it's not hard to be humble or to genuinely appreciate passion.” [And yet you fail do spectacularly at it.] I’m so glad you understand me! Now turn that mirror on yourself.
@chrischristenson
@chrischristenson 8 ай бұрын
In Anakin’s defense, SAND people tortured and murdered his Mother…
@PW400
@PW400 8 ай бұрын
Since last week I've been binging your channel and... I'm speechless. Speechless by quality and freshness of your points. Really, amazing work
@233Hicks
@233Hicks 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for putting this so neatly into words. It's not just in media, it's when speaking with people as well that the frustration exists.
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 7 ай бұрын
I now realise why I'm sometimes bored to death
@233Hicks
@233Hicks 7 ай бұрын
@@CrazyMazapanIt helps to be able to guide people towards questions and the more analytical modes now that I can put a name to the thing that I find frustrating.
@luiz_ed76
@luiz_ed76 5 ай бұрын
You set a new bar to what means make a film analysis. Really, I have never seeen anyone apply rethoric, figures of speech, and psychology to analyze screenplays. And your videos about what makes a good directors are also a mine of gold. Thanks you for making videos.
@melanie62954
@melanie62954 8 ай бұрын
Oh my word. I just realized something about myself. I had a roommate several years ago who I adore, and am still good friends with, but every time she would tell a story, I would space out at the beginning. I had to get her to repeat a bunch of stuff after the punch line. Every. Single. Time. Even though I knew from experience that her stories were almost always hilarious. Now I know it's because she's a practical conversationalist and I'm analytical. We were only friends because we ended up thrown together in various situations, and it took me a long time to connect with her. She would start her stories with a progression of events with seemingly no direction or analysis, so I would feel like she was reciting a catalog and unintentionally tune out. Thanks for the self-discovery!
@frankmolina4876
@frankmolina4876 7 ай бұрын
This analysis is absolutely brilliant. Your videos should be viewed in all film schools. I'm better equipped to enjoy films after a deep dive into film analysis.
@Conserpov
@Conserpov 8 ай бұрын
'Practical' vs 'Analytical' is not a binary either. Observations about reality may be 'practical', but the act of choosing specific details to point out - that's already 'analytical', and a decent writer can use that extensively. "A very small man can cast a very large shadow" for example.
@fmac6441
@fmac6441 7 ай бұрын
Your example is a metaphor, which is not practical but 100% analytical
@Conserpov
@Conserpov 7 ай бұрын
@@fmac6441 Example is a literally true practical observation that is used as a metaphor.
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 7 ай бұрын
He did say it's a spectrum.
@Nautilus1972
@Nautilus1972 4 ай бұрын
Bollocks. It IS binary. That’s the point.
@vahekhachaturian2424
@vahekhachaturian2424 7 ай бұрын
Like how this doesn't have a million views???
@menace9790
@menace9790 5 ай бұрын
This video is actually insane, not just for movies but for life. You've definitely gained a dedicated subscriber and viewer in me.
@oa5779
@oa5779 7 ай бұрын
You're the only KZbinr that makes me laugh out loud multiple times per video, consistently. Sometimes it's just the perfectly chosen clip.
@CineRanter
@CineRanter 8 ай бұрын
I'm sure this channel will blow up one day. Some really good content.
@peterkalyabe7553
@peterkalyabe7553 4 ай бұрын
I know CineRanter. A fantastic Channel, as well.
@thecommentermaker
@thecommentermaker 8 ай бұрын
The superiority of analytic over practical is misguide. In taken after Liam Niasson thwarts an attack on the starlet he tells he drink some orange to help with the shock. This establish he is a professional and caring. It is much harder to show character through practical dialogue, cause practicalities tend to be quite universal (or close).
@runemrick
@runemrick 6 ай бұрын
If story is the anthropomorphism of philosophies and ideologies, then it follows that the conflict of those things, the subjective, not the objective, is what the piece is really about. What a great point you have made. You are right. I won't look at dialogue the same.
@zorothe9th
@zorothe9th 8 ай бұрын
It would be great if you included the list of clips you used in this video
@RustyOrange71
@RustyOrange71 8 ай бұрын
An excellent 15 minutes, superbly well spent. Thank you!
@strahljd
@strahljd 8 ай бұрын
I just discovered this channel and I have to say, you deserve way more subs
@zacnewford
@zacnewford Жыл бұрын
love your commitment you’re a pro!
@Freer07
@Freer07 6 ай бұрын
you're right; this video has actually changed the way I now see dialogue. Impressive! Thank you
@achildofanarchy3299
@achildofanarchy3299 7 ай бұрын
Wow, this is brilliant! Thank you so much!
@steveg1961
@steveg1961 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this frame of insight.
@alfonsobiggers2452
@alfonsobiggers2452 7 ай бұрын
I have realized this in my writing experimentations, but you are one of very few on this website that have articulated this as concisely and _practically._
@WhatSorryOh
@WhatSorryOh 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this mind-expanding video. So well put together as well! 🙏
@KreatedbyKrause
@KreatedbyKrause 7 ай бұрын
These videos are going to help me write an excellent script. I'm certain of it. Thank you.
@Theomite
@Theomite 8 ай бұрын
Exposition is an art form; when it's done right, it's a thing of beauty, but holy shit when it's done wrong, it's insufferable. I think the major problem is the Setting Constriction. movies are assemblages of scenes where things happen. But in real life, "scenes" can last hours on unrelated topics with no resolution until several "scenes" later and often with not the same people present. Having to constrict time & place to single locations hamper the dialogue's ability to be both clumsy and organic.
@artemisvega8940
@artemisvega8940 8 ай бұрын
This is often what makes modern stories a bit shit, particularly something like Nu Doctor Who or something like it (whatever genre) where they will just literally "info dump" a stack of plot points in a matter of seconds to keep the audience up to date, rather than just *show* the character behaviour which will tell you exactly. There are a million movies that do this, but I can't reference any of them right now, but I will point to the Doctor Who story Pyramids of Mars from the mid 70's as an example. We get bits of dialogue telling us how bad Sutekh is but not that much. But we travel into a potential future to see what he's done and there's NOTHING LEFT. And when we meet him he's so viciously powerful that he demonstrates it and you're just like, holy fuck. It's not the Marvel Scale Of Big Special Effects, it's the execution and mainly vocal performance, (massive so called "shout out" to voice actors cos Gabriel Woolfe is bringing it with NOTHING other than voice and makes one of the most terrifying enemies the Doctor has ever faced.) Sutekh just controls people like mind controlling flies. Once you see the often infallible Tom Baker kneel to Sutekh - a guy by the way that's in fucking prison - you're like omg is the Dr actually going to win this one? Contrast that with almost any scene in Nu Who where we have overblown sequences of rapidly paced dialogue delivered a million miles an hour to try and make up for the fact that they haven't spent any time developing the character we're all supposed to be afraid of. They build up to Sutekh, by giving him small snippets of scenes, like a horror movie. Tom briefly tells us a bit of backstory, but doesn't go on too much. We're impressed cos Sutekh can control the Doctor, can stop a fucking explosion simply with his mind, and the terrifying prospect that he just finds death "good," and that he appears completely and utterly unstoppable, never mind that the actor *almost never leaves the chair the entire story.*
@Theomite
@Theomite 8 ай бұрын
@@artemisvega8940 I watch a lot of reaction videos and what I notice is that modern viewers are either really good or really bad at deciphering visual clues when they watch 20th Century films. They'll notice them and use their pre-programmed analysis of tropes, but when it comes to inferring meaning from small character traits, they often miss them entirely...or have no idea what they mean. Subtlety and nuance go over their heads or confuse them generally speaking.
@andrzejnadgirl2029
@andrzejnadgirl2029 8 ай бұрын
Those are not modern viewers in general though, reaction channels aren't aimed towards everyone and even creators tends to be of similar kind of folks as the viewers are. It's really wrong assumption to take selected and heavily segregated group and make assumptions towards overall audience. Anyone who isn't into that kind of content will bump off it really quickly and you can easily find very polarized opinions about those channels. Although I can admit that this kind of viewers is really big group to consider as well. That's actually part of the issue, older movies were aimed at different part of population compared to more modern stuff. Or rather older movies that aged well, there were bad old movies too after all but no one talk about them even if they got some traction during their releases just to be forgotten afterwards.
@dukenukemforever6912
@dukenukemforever6912 5 ай бұрын
Thanks man, that was a lot of help.
@nl3064
@nl3064 8 ай бұрын
Interesting. Chuck Palahniuk talked about this exact same thing in fiction writing; he it called "Big Voice" and "Little Voice". In "Consider This", his non-fiction book/ memoir, Palahniuk gives a lot if in-depth writing advice, including setting the narrative tone. What he calls "Little Voice" is the character or story speaking purely in facts and actions, while the "Big Voice" is the narrator portentiously expressing his inner monologue/feelings/world view. Neat how you both noticed the same thing and covered it.
@NeilMo25
@NeilMo25 7 ай бұрын
Love your channel!
@ottopippenger1590
@ottopippenger1590 8 ай бұрын
Game of Thrones deserves a little bit more credit- "someday my father will kill me" is a supposition, an important characterization of his subjective reality.
@futurestoryteller
@futurestoryteller 8 ай бұрын
I actually said to people who were complaining about the show (once it didn't have Martin's dialogue to draw from) that television writers have conditioned themselves to follow screenwriting 101 advice; never have characters just come out and say what they think. (Subtext.) But characters in early seasons of Game of Thrones, via George RR Martin's dialogue gave direct thoughts and opinions about everything literally all of the time. I genuinely think that people didn't like those last two seasons, mostly because they are rushed. But also, all the things people complained that those characters "wouldn't do" are things they absolutely would do, but normally those characters would've explained their reasoning better, or sometimes at all. It's kind of hand-holdy to me, that people actually needed that to understand these characters after so much time, on the one hand. On the other, the characters were so good at cleverly explaining themselves for so long, it's no wonder it would feel out of character the very *minute* they stopped doing that no matter what behaviors they next engaged in.
@ottopippenger1590
@ottopippenger1590 8 ай бұрын
@@futurestoryteller When you don't have a plan, it's impossible to write your characters to be anticipating events.
@PrudiBR
@PrudiBR 7 ай бұрын
There's a lot of overlap between this and the Myers-Briggs personality indicator dichotomy between intuition (N) and sensation (S). Interestingly enough, this aspect is arguably its main distinction from the Big Five personality traits - the most reputable personality taxonomy in academic circles. On a personal note, my two favorite examples of an analytical person clashing with a practical one are Gus McCrae and Woodrow Call, from Lonesome Dove, the best Western ever made; and Rustin Cole and Martin Hart, from the first season of True Detective.
@Moviewise
@Moviewise 7 ай бұрын
Yes! MBTI was the major inspiration for the dichotomy. I didn’t say it in the video for pacing reasons but mentioned it in the description. I also adore Gus and Call from Lonesome Dove.
@TheMPExperience
@TheMPExperience 6 ай бұрын
Great video and examples. I learned a lot about how to better my own dialogue.
@chrishateley5582
@chrishateley5582 4 ай бұрын
Excellent video, thank you :)
@odinseye8835
@odinseye8835 7 ай бұрын
Great video, really appreciate work went into. Well done
@arjecc7365
@arjecc7365 Ай бұрын
God bless you! brilliant mind, brilliant channel - keep it going!
@hatomi_j4920
@hatomi_j4920 8 ай бұрын
You are phenomenal (practical). You are phenomenal (analytical).
@BuckJolicoeur
@BuckJolicoeur 6 ай бұрын
Kick Ass, this simple elegant framing just unlocked so much for me that has been somewhat instinctual. Thank you.
@Bigdogiswolfing
@Bigdogiswolfing 5 ай бұрын
Can you explain
@BuckJolicoeur
@BuckJolicoeur 5 ай бұрын
@@Bigdogiswolfing Would you like a practical exposition of my understanding or an analytical deconstruction of the possibilities?
@Bigdogiswolfing
@Bigdogiswolfing 5 ай бұрын
@@BuckJolicoeur both if possible
@BuckJolicoeur
@BuckJolicoeur 5 ай бұрын
@@Bigdogiswolfing 🤣 I suggest you watch the video again. He is far more eloquent at articulating a simple concept that guides a character's motivation with dialogue.
@Bigdogiswolfing
@Bigdogiswolfing 5 ай бұрын
@@BuckJolicoeur come on i want to hear your explanation
@vonunterberg4313
@vonunterberg4313 8 ай бұрын
I am so happy to have found this channel. So many movies today are so bad and I cant even articualte how. Thanks so saying something I could not.
@The_Gake
@The_Gake Ай бұрын
This went really over my head the first time, but it felt important so i watched it again and took notes and now my mind is blown
@HarishAgastya
@HarishAgastya 3 ай бұрын
Your videos are really great...nobody taught us these in film school....thank you 🙏
@The1realbro
@The1realbro 7 ай бұрын
Thanks. This video is right on time!
@anonygent
@anonygent 7 ай бұрын
LMAO! I never saw that Anakin Skywalker clip with the sand discussion. I can't believe that's real movie dialog.
@steffengerlach8395
@steffengerlach8395 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely brilliant! Thank you. May I suggest you insert the credits in real time e.g. down in the left corner reading like "Movie title / Director / Year". The well know ones I could identify of course but some not and maybe I'd like to watch them. This kind of service would be highly appreciated. Keep up the good job.
@marcdraco2189
@marcdraco2189 7 ай бұрын
I do love this channel from that beautiful accent to the booming voice but the dry humour gets me every time. Dude I would so love to sink a few jars with you one day!
@Zed-fq3lj
@Zed-fq3lj 8 ай бұрын
thank you dude....wonderful video!
@zachwhitehorn7926
@zachwhitehorn7926 7 ай бұрын
Great vid! 🎉
@LukeRanieri
@LukeRanieri 8 ай бұрын
Another masterwork 👏
@genin69
@genin69 7 ай бұрын
ur essays are so good. youre like the movie buff version of Adamsomething. and another thing, its like a film school or things that should be taught in film school
@anawilding9802
@anawilding9802 7 ай бұрын
My man, your voice is channelling Yul Brynner, Ten Commandments style. Epic!
@jameswoodward5547
@jameswoodward5547 5 ай бұрын
Oh my God, I think you've just blown my mind 🤯
@333kenshin
@333kenshin 6 ай бұрын
Objectivity vs subjectivity Fact vs opinion Report vs editorial
@afrosymphony8207
@afrosymphony8207 7 ай бұрын
Very good breakdown on dialogue...lol just kidding, this is beyond incredible. Absolutely spot on, i'm more of an analytical person since i'm an introvert so i dnt have much experiences on many things and even the stuff i have experience in, i find so hard sharing. idk my experiences feel very personal, i am only comfortable sharing them with verry close friends and family and not even all of it lool. inception is really great example cause i'm the sorta person who loves details about things i find interesting, i love reading manuals for technical devices and things i have no interest in operating. i'm a tutorial/breakdown/history junkie on youtube too lool...i absoluely loved GoT for talking about historic events and stuff like that and in inception, them yapping on about the technicalities of that world is absolute music to my ears. i absolutely love that nolan paid great attention to revealing the practical details of that world and making that an important cinematic feature in a cinematically intriguing manner, something that has literally never been done before in that way before, imo. which is what makes movies like inception and memento so incredibly special to me, i mean truly truly one of a kind, they really do not get the writing cred they deserve because there is a dogmatic view that great writing has to skew more towards the analytical for it to be considered "great". i love the analytical stuff too but there is no way i'll consider the dialogue on inception as being kinda subpar because it didnt reveal character by having the characters be more emotionally analytical. Non analytical stuff can be high art too and inception and memento being considered amongst the greatest cinematic contributions of all time proves this without a shadow of a doubt to me.
@kudraabdulaziz3096
@kudraabdulaziz3096 8 ай бұрын
You just earned a sub
@jamisondaniel68
@jamisondaniel68 8 ай бұрын
First, the practical. I have watched two of your videos. Now, the analytical. I can't express how much I am enjoying your content. It is top quality. Did you go to film school? I love the medium as much as anyone I have met (small sample) but you have an understanding that is clearly above and beyond. Your blocking vid was amazing as well btw. Just wanted to give you a deserved compliment. I hope you continue with this topic as long as you want and when it's doe I wish you the best on whatever project you pursue. Have a great day!
@HellHappens
@HellHappens 8 ай бұрын
Summed it up perfectly. Finally found a video essay channel with an IQ. I like to throw on the critical drinker for background noise or movie updates but he gives such a plain take on everything. I have no doubt he understands writing a bit, but moviewise is the first channel I’ve seen that consistently brings new ideas to me. Absolutely well done!
@czwarty7878
@czwarty7878 8 ай бұрын
@@HellHappens the word "video essay" on KZbin got to be associated with such bland, numb or outright idiotic content that it's a real shocker to actually see something good for a change. Shame he's not getting the views he deserves
@HellHappens
@HellHappens 8 ай бұрын
@@czwarty7878 he’s not getting the views YET. Moviewise is one of the best channels to actually learn more about cinema he’ll carve out his niche
@alindsey4
@alindsey4 8 ай бұрын
Re: the practical/analytical binary. - Thinking about this while listening to my friends talking, I wonder: wouldn't "joking" be a distinct category? When my friends are joking around, they often frame their speech in a practical mode, but they are being ironic, so it's not really practical, but it's not exactly analytical either in that they are not so much expressing thoughts, opinions, or feelings, but just trying to get a laugh. - What do you think?
@tayballtop
@tayballtop 7 ай бұрын
This is gold...
@Novastar.SaberCombat
@Novastar.SaberCombat 7 ай бұрын
Laboriously stated, but... well-stated. 💪😎✌️
@carlosyaya2890
@carlosyaya2890 2 ай бұрын
This is the most useful video I ever seen
@benvierre7
@benvierre7 6 ай бұрын
woah, dude, how did i not know about your channel all this while. ..
@FedericoBolanos
@FedericoBolanos 6 ай бұрын
This was awesome. Maybe we all fall somewhere into that spectrum as people too
@Laotzu.Goldbug
@Laotzu.Goldbug 6 ай бұрын
You move towards a much more intimate connection with someone in real life when you shift from purely practical language to analytical language, sharing opinions. I think this is why moments of Crisis or surprises can often build intimacy a lot more quickly than would usually happen because your opinions come to the forefront.
@fernandoparadacastillo5901
@fernandoparadacastillo5901 5 ай бұрын
What you said from 5:50 to 6:04 i couldn't stop laughing 😆😆😆 Your accent makes it so much better. Great video 👌 it really changed the way i think of dialogue now
@davecorry7723
@davecorry7723 8 ай бұрын
That was great.
@Dayvit78
@Dayvit78 8 ай бұрын
I was waiting for you to mention Nolan, but I guess the GoT part pretty much covered it!
@sophia_comicart
@sophia_comicart 5 ай бұрын
Dude what an amazing video. Utterly hilarious too. Those edit and music choices were so funny.
@Zett76
@Zett76 Ай бұрын
Fascinating, how divisive Inception is... :) To me, the movie is the greatest und most entertaining exposition dump movie ever. :) Because yes, exposition can be done right.
@ChiltonWebb
@ChiltonWebb 7 ай бұрын
I went into this thinking it was going to suck. I love it. everything's beautiful now, like butter in a frying pan
@holdingpattern245
@holdingpattern245 6 ай бұрын
Stories and poems used to be the same thing, very long ago, in the times of oral traditions; and both of these were better before they were unnaturally divided. Poems are better when they have an interesting subject, such as a story, and stories are better when they have poetic devices such as motifs and metaphors. This hints at what good dialogue really is.
@taka7369
@taka7369 7 ай бұрын
I watched this video. It's about dialogue. I learned a lot and I'll write for Disney one day.
@luminiferous1960
@luminiferous1960 7 ай бұрын
Your video brought to mind one of the classic examples of the hilarious comedy produced by an almost purely practical speaker and a nearly purely analytical speaker being in a relationship, namely the characters of David Puddy and Elaine Benes in the TV series Seinfeld. Here is a wonderful example of their dialogue: Elaine: Do you believe in God? David Puddy: Yeah... Elaine: Is it a problem for you that I'm not religious? David Puddy: No. Elaine: Why not? David Puddy: I'm not the one going to hell.
@biancastephanie8830
@biancastephanie8830 6 ай бұрын
I highly recommend watching Scent of a Woman. Specifically the scene where Al Pacino represents the main character in the school
@thispersonwriting1889
@thispersonwriting1889 2 ай бұрын
Joke’s on you, Moviewise, I only hear dialogue through the upper folds of my seventh throat-pouch. You only hear dialogue with your ears.
@Moviewise
@Moviewise 2 ай бұрын
Everything okay at home?
@thispersonwriting1889
@thispersonwriting1889 2 ай бұрын
@@Moviewise Other than my sense of humor, yes.
@cosmicprison9819
@cosmicprison9819 8 ай бұрын
The only thematic dialogues I remember from Game of Thrones are 1) Cersei talking to Ned about the Game of Thrones itself, and 2) Littlefinger talking to Varys about chaos being a ladder. Well, and the thing about a king who has to say “I am the king”, I guess.
@jamjox9922
@jamjox9922 7 ай бұрын
THank you for getting to one of the issues of Inception. people consider that movie a masterpiece but I felt it was dry with a few okay set pieces. A better film about dream worlds was "What Dreams May Come" with Robin Williams. It had the same sense of dreams revealing our personality and secrets, but all with imaginative dream world set pieces, not set pieces that were so realistic like ours. And the plot was more engaging due to the characters.
@patrikneperfekta7575
@patrikneperfekta7575 7 ай бұрын
00:38 "there are only two types of dialog" Are there though? What about questions and commands? Do imperative and interrogative sentences not count as dialog? Great video btw, it's just something I noticed you forgot about in the video.
@OfficialClintJames
@OfficialClintJames 6 ай бұрын
Fantastic
@manusapo
@manusapo 7 ай бұрын
Don't get misleaded by the sleeping pills voice. ;)... The content is amazing !!!! Congrats. Precious and rare movie analysis to be prescribed ( not the sleeping pills though ).
@arzabael
@arzabael 7 ай бұрын
Dude. This is The Channel.
@pninnabokov3734
@pninnabokov3734 8 ай бұрын
The most shocking thing about "Inception" was Dicaprio's thumb at the end. That's got to be the weirdest, longest, curliest, most alien thumb ever attached to a human hand. DiCaprio is, just generally, a freak.
@guillaumelapointe9740
@guillaumelapointe9740 Жыл бұрын
The Video is great! I am learning a little more with each video (Thank you for your work and researches) :)) But i wanted to know wich movie is it at 3:25?
@Moviewise
@Moviewise Жыл бұрын
Thank you for enjoying the channel! And that movie is Woody Allen's "Love and Death" (1975), which is also at 10:09. That's the funniest film ever made and quite likely the film I use the most in my videos.
@julius-stark
@julius-stark 6 ай бұрын
Dialog is always the toughest part of my writing. My main goal is just that it not be boring. If two or more people are talking to each other it should be to achieve a goal, so the dialog should work towards that goal but without being boring or obvious. And if it's an exposition heavy scene that you can not do without, try to do it while something else far more interesting is happening; that way the audience receives the information while being captivated by the interesting thing, aka the "Pope in the pool" method.
@jdjdhdh373
@jdjdhdh373 5 ай бұрын
im not a writer so im pretty new to all this dialog stuff and how it works, conversation where using analytical. showing the characters feelings and thoughts, and then being practical, talking about something thats techincally pointless like messaging womens feets, take away the bordem?
@robch4414
@robch4414 8 ай бұрын
Fascinating lens to review Ahsoka through. Too much practical plot-development dialogue, leaving us knowing little or nothing about the characters and caring even less.
@The_Gake
@The_Gake Ай бұрын
Thats crazy I was just watching that episode of friends today laughing a bit too hard at ross
@goblinslayer7096
@goblinslayer7096 7 ай бұрын
I’m really upset. I never categorized the way I sometimes talk like this, and now I feel like I’ve been let in on a joke about myself that everyone else got but me until now.
@OAlem
@OAlem 8 ай бұрын
Waiting for the Dude and there he is!
@elevenseven-yq4vu
@elevenseven-yq4vu 8 ай бұрын
But do his words tie the arguments made together?
@raylast3873
@raylast3873 8 ай бұрын
4:59 Actually I‘m guessing that this is probably representative of Game of Thrones in later Seasons. At least I‘d be surprised if dialogue was this over-practical in the early seasons. Same goes for the books.
@feebtubereal
@feebtubereal 8 ай бұрын
13:06 What ever happened to Gary Cooper? The strong silent type
@lewispowell3156
@lewispowell3156 6 ай бұрын
HA!, if you turn right at Eton college chapel, then take a left (there is only one Left before you leave Eton) you'll end up going in a big circle and ending up back on Eton high street. If you don't turn left, then you will get to Dorney common. and even then, it's only 2 miles and you will have exited the far end of the common. Thank you for reading my fact-based dullard dialogue
@juju10683
@juju10683 7 ай бұрын
I think you just explained why I don’t necessarily appreciate Michael Mann’s dialogue
@film_nirvana
@film_nirvana 7 ай бұрын
A bit too generalised. Also, how someone talks about facts, situations, is a big part of the whole character. 'Once Upon a time there was a village, there was a boy who stole from the wealthy'. Now how someone says this dialogue will reveal their feelings, value judgments, morality and other estimations about what the boy did. The point is subtext is everywhere. Btw, great videos sir!
@starpergaming2688
@starpergaming2688 8 ай бұрын
That what I call real Ryazan accent😂
@bisikolok
@bisikolok 6 ай бұрын
A cascade of analytical would be nolan's batman trilogy
@jonnyd6809
@jonnyd6809 4 ай бұрын
You know - I was really looking forward to this, but found your whole rap annoying to start with... But then I got into it, and found myself enjoying. Now I'm glad I watched the whole damn thing. I think I'll be watching more of your stuff in the future!
@foljs5858
@foljs5858 8 ай бұрын
Only two types? Practical and Analytical? Nope, there's is also emotional, poetical, a person rambling, and so on.
@danjonmills
@danjonmills 8 ай бұрын
Er, emotional and poetic would fall under analytical.
@foljs5858
@foljs5858 8 ай бұрын
@@danjonmills Would it? What about emotional and poetic falls under analytical, in the dictionary meaning of the word, or even in the way the video defines it?
@HellHappens
@HellHappens 8 ай бұрын
@@foljs5858nah you’re overthinking it. If someone says something emotionally charged, then you go with the ckntext of the person or event. For example, your wife screaming you never take out the trash! Isn’t about you taking out the trash, its about you letting her down constantly. The deeper meaning of the phrase is what separates the dialogue into the two categories
@elevenseven-yq4vu
@elevenseven-yq4vu 8 ай бұрын
Rambling can be anything, it is not a category on its own, it is more like a random remix of the other categories.
@ThatGuy-vi6cj
@ThatGuy-vi6cj 7 ай бұрын
If you're emotional then it's analytical and if you're poetical it's probably practical and going on rants and rambling on could be a mix of both
@charlessmyth
@charlessmyth 8 ай бұрын
I read the Wikipedia episode breakdowns for Borgen, Industry, Gangs of London, Better Call Saul and Raylan, and saved myself a huge amount of time and money.
@JH-pt6ih
@JH-pt6ih 6 ай бұрын
What's the movie at 2:02? (Or an actor's name and I can search from that.) Thanks.
@Moviewise
@Moviewise 6 ай бұрын
That’s Green Book
@JH-pt6ih
@JH-pt6ih 6 ай бұрын
@@Moviewise Thank you. Never heard of it but the two scenes in the video have me interested.
@michalipinski3676
@michalipinski3676 8 ай бұрын
Geez.. i just discovered your channel.. i like the content very much BUT for the love of god please turn DOWN the volume of that ring/bell sound fx. And a put a compressor on your voice.. i can't stand the audio levels.. otherwise it's great! 😀👍
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