Terrible Villains

[@RogueFox2185]

If Vanny was the sole antagonist of Security Breach while the other animatronics except for Freddy were mere distractions that the player had to worry about then she would probably have had a better showing, similarly like how it was in Fnaf 3 with SpringTrap. (Who really should have stayed dead after the ending of Fnaf 6)

[@mikzpwnz_3199]

The other animatronics could of been shifting between friendly and enemy or act as unwitting enemies by having their protocols act as a hindrance in otherwise helpful situations. Or have them neutral to both Vanny and Gregory being confused by their orders and have choices on the play though that could sway them towards either.

[@Anonymous-73]

@@mikzpwnz_3199yeah that would’ve been way more interesting if they didn’t want to hurt Gregory but had no choice

[@roseoliveira6709]

According to the theorists, glichtrap and burntrap aren't actually william but actually a wannabe of him called "the mimic"

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

​​@@mikzpwnz_3199k that would have been definitely overambiguous when steelwool couldn't even launch the game we got in a non-bugridden state. Otherwise having more animatronics like sun/moon would have been intresting with one after the other going berzerk after a while wheb you have to enter their zone to get a mcguffin

[@gameyfirebro9645]

That wouldn't gel as much with Monty's whole aggressive redneck personality.

[@aisadal2521]

Honestly, I thought Oleana was going to be the real villain, manipulating Chairman Rose behind the scenes, being the real head behind a criminal organization

[@mayborneflower]

Honestly, I would’ve preferred if she was just earnest but overzealous. Some manipulation towards the wrong ends sure, but she sincerely thinks she’s doing good and, rather scarily, she’s too caught up in herself to recognize the red flags of her actions. A self-aware evil can take a break to rest on its laurels, a perceived good can never bring itself to stop while assured of its own righteousness.

[@cannabishornliu6119]

I wished Eternatus would be the main antagonist but it was the typical big/evil legendary encounter at the climax of the story before the champ type of scenario again... We didn't even see how Eternatus broke out of his cocoon/egg... When we first encountered it it just stood there menacingly...

[@barrybend7189]

​​​@@cannabishornliu6119eternatus is more eldritch horror than typical legendary. It even outclassed Giratina on weirdness for me. Though the whole legendary plot line is based on the St. George and the dragon.

[@dejinnthedjinn5311]

I could see Oleana as a villain, especially since she's proven she's willing to do insane things for Rose. So she'd definitely rush the plan to awaken the Eternatus as a twisted form of her wanting to please Rose.

[@barrybend7189]

@@dejinnthedjinn5311 well in my thought of fixing it they are overzealous and with the wishing Stars awaken Eternatus and overcharged it. But we would need more interaction with both. I would have Oleana be more on the personal handling Bede but also the more superstitious of the pair.

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

Akechi's betrayal was blatantly foreshadowed and rather obvious. ....That was always the point. The game knew you were going to figure out that he was gonna be the one to "lead into your downfall" and get you arrested. Then, the REAL twist comes in, and Joker and the Thieves already had a plan set for this scenario. In true Arsene Lupin fashion, Joker fakes his death in prison and gets the satisfaction of playing the whole world.

[@RaspyCh]

Maybe people know this and still don’t like the twist

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

@@RaspyCh A fair point, but given Kamen's claims in the video, it felt like he was more upset with an execution that was never supposed to be.

[@PixelTheMushroom]

@@Yami-no-Raiden yeah, i got the same impression

[@devastatheseeker9967]

It's not about what the character is supposed to do, it's the execution and the lack of characters mentioning it. Like, seriously they notice him mention he overheard morgana and they don't say a thing?

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

@@devastatheseeker9967 Ryuji and Ann aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, and we see evidence of Joker not remembering those memories later on anyway. They happened.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Video Idea: The Right and Wrong Way to make a Fallen Hero

[@nishchayjain1121]

Guts was a good example of being a fallen hero.

[@bobisapanda2655]

I could see that

[@jojidubi4]

And then, after that, the right and wrong way to redeem a heinous villain.

[@historicflame972]

@@nishchayjain1121 He fell?

[@nishchayjain1121]

@@historicflame972 In the manga, you can see Guts crying after losing Casca again, by Griffith.

[@kingbash6466]

Vanny hurts me the most because I really invested in how her character would play out ever since Help Wanted. Someone taking up Afton's role in an "obsessed serial killer fan" type of deal could have made for a fascinating and unique antagonist in the franchise. Sucks that she's nothing more than a glorified cameo in Security Breach with about as much importance to the overall story as Goddamn Sun/Moondrop.

[@happysocialmoth1197]

I feel like they neutered vanny’s character just so they can make the fnaf franchise more “child-friendly and Marketable”

[@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist]

​@@happysocialmoth1197+ Pretty sure they neutered everything to make it more "child friendly". There's tons of scrapped scenes, phrases/conversations/dialogs and even entire platforming sections. So now there's holes in the lore everywhere that was tampered with lol

[@angryboi595]

@@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist yeah, they even scrapped dialogue mentioning blood, BLOOD, which has always been shown throughout the fnaf series. I hate steel wool

[@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist]

@@angryboi595+ True. I just hate that they sterilized everything so much that the story is completely nonsensical and vague. Yes, the game technically has a story but everything is so disjointed and disconnected because of the removed extra content to a point where it's uncompleted. And it sucks because they left everything in that would've connected these extra lore-related plot lines, so now there's a bunch of different yet interesting details that are never elaborated upon or explored.

[@happysocialmoth1197]

@@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist brrrrooooo Why would they even censor and cut out so much content??? Wasn't the whole horror, mild gore, and killer animatronics stuff is what attracted the kids to this franchise in the FIRST place??💀😭😭

[@wakkaseta8351]

Vanny isn't a villain, she's a literal plot device. The Ruin DLC shows that she's not gonna be a thing going forward because they decided to canonize the Mimic nonsense instead of actually using all the characters they had already introduced, so her entire career as a character can be summed up as: "Had a brief cameo in her own game".

[@dylansharp8471]

Nonsense?

[@wakkaseta8351]

@@dylansharp8471 Ennard knockoff made by some never-before-seen rando, retconned into having been around during the original games' timeline, made as damage control for the backlash that came from bringing Afton back yet again. Sounds pretty nonsensical to me, even before getting into the reality-bending VR/AR.

[@Mr.Pocket]

I like the mimic

[@sebastianturner2458]

@@Mr.Pocket Decent design/function, _abysmal_ backstory. The single last thing I wanted from Ruin was canonizing Tales from the Pizzaplex. They're just FNaf-branded Goosebumps books, and I respect Goosebumps, but they're absolutely not the kind of thing that made me ever appreciate FNaF's story or lore.

[@2-Way_Intersection]

​@@sebastianturner2458i didnt mind FF as much but i think thats cause a: i only read the first book and b: i was going into this treating all of the stories as essentially official fanfics or what ifs. just a way to play around with the series established rules without worrying about canon conflictions. yeah they didnt do that

[@KazShiro]

I would've been satisfied if they kept the 1000 years schitck if they threw a curveball by having eternatus awaken or cause the darkest days right at the end sooner than Rose anticipated thinking "How is this happening. Why is he breaking free now" or have it show signs of trying to break free by the endgame. It would've worked better than him doing it himself out of impatience.

[@giboit.]

What are you talking about? Literally all the explosions you hear every time you get near to hammerlock are because Eternatus is trying to get free. That's why the plan couldn't be delayed.

[@slayeroffurries1115]

Dem fend

[@F1areon]

That or scrap the "1000 years" deadline by lowering to 100 years or 50 years or heck, even TEN years would work.

[@giboit.]

@@F1areon The problem was the lack of wishing stars. This because the last time they were scattered through the region was literally 3000 years ago when Eternatus had its first defeat.

[@Topdoggie7]

In the manga Swordward and Shieldbert tell him it's sooner, like in the next fifty years. They should have kept that.

[@VioletAeonSnowfield]

I still don't even know why Shield and Sword HAD a villain. Out of all of the Pokemon games, it's probably the one where there just not being a villain is the most justifiable. I mean, even Scarlet and Violet had more setup for a villain than Sword/Shield.

[@asierx7047]

I've seen several people say that the Paradise Protection Protocol was a better antagonist than Rose. Imagine being less compelling and having a worse motivation than a robot that only appears in the very last part of the entire game and you only encounter once before fighting

[@superstardoughball9822]

​@@asierx7047well to be fair the villian was the now dead Turo/Sada gone insane because of his/her work and doing anything to let his/her twisted ideals come true. I wouldn't say they're a bad villian, they're presented fairly well and have a good story but it's only in the best hour or two of the story, no development

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

Pokémon has ingredients they will not budge on. Whether they're a good idea or not. Such as having an evil organisation named "Team Something" for no reason other than "we always did it that way." So yes, there's a villain, because it's Pokémon and Pokémon has villains.

[@DaShikuXI]

@@superstardoughball9822 The development is Arven's storyline. There are also clues you can find throughout the game, like in the school library, that develop parts of the plot.

[@user-zs9ux1ru8u]

It sucks how in the world of fanfiction, the villains are written 10× MORE effective and compelling. These people write these fanfics for FREE.

[@dreamyyartist]

FOR REAL THOUGH... I think that most Sonic fics I've ever seen had much better writing for Infinite than he does canonically. Of course, Infinite is a very low bar, and fanfic works by putting preexisting characters in situations/changing certain events in canon, but there is still a LOT of skill put into these, which, as someone who writes from time to time, I greatly admire (never mind how MUCH some people write! Genuinely impressive).

[@rustyshackelford4224]

​@dreamyyartist Like, have you seen what Final Fantasy 7 fans done to guys like Genesis and Angeal in their fanfictions?

[@barrybend7189]

Honestly Rose would have been fine if we had more interaction. His overzealous take on fixing a problem mirrors Team Yell and how it's bunch of overzealous Football hooligans would do the same for Marnie and by extension Spikemoth. Also his idea to use Erernatus is good and you can use the 1000 years as a motive while keeping the Erernatus waking up as a timer on him trying to tame it and make it an "Eternal Guardian of Galar's Future".

[@comicbookreviewer4856]

To me what they got right with Rose he wanted to make sure to keep his homeland safe and thought of the future of the next generation but in the end went the extreme way of doing it like looking at real life as there are environmental activist who will go the extreme way of dealing with issues without seeing the harm there actions do and how it might effect others as you might start off with good intentions but you can end up going to far without realizing if your actions are helping others or the next generation

[@Topdoggie7]

Yeah and the losing their fuel but is relegated to NPC text instead of relevancy to the story. Plus Shieldbert and Swordward told him it was happening sooner while mistranslating a prophecy in their royal family. Make it fifty years and everything is fixed.

[@dylan-fnaf1679]

Vanny had so much potential, but since they decided that they wanted the *"Man Behind The Slaughter"* for the 4th time, they basically pushed her aside, and as I mean pushed aside, I mean they threw all of her potential into the scrap pile and lit it on fire

[@unironicallydel7527]

Nothing in the game was explained too well. The writing was barely existent at all.

[@dylansharp8471]

@@unironicallydel7527 The main game or Ruin?

[@LopunnyFan1997]

@@dylansharp8471 Their definitely talking about the main game.

[@teaking9672]

he never came back, we're in the era of the mimic now

[@officerbucktuddrussel394]

Only thing worse then 'beat them in gameplay, they defeat you in cutscene' is an in game battle that is set up to make you think it's do-able and winable when it's not. 'Oh what's that? you got me down to 5% health? Well how 'bout this insta-kill move I've been saving?'

[@TreWilder]

I think the worst type of villain is the kind where you can see precisely what they were going for and how the don't take the time to evolve them properly into who they're meant to be. That's part of the reason twist villains tend to fail, because some movies/games/shows don't take the time to lay out the motivations bit by bit leading up to the reveal. Or Heaven forbid, the sympathetic villain who you know at the end is going to have a redemption that *could* have happened at any point but they hold their antagonism until the very end before dying. Usually just to drag out one conflict for the sake of conflict, and you're just waiting for the "I was wrong" moment. (Definitely not thinking about Phin from Spider-Man Miles Morales)

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Any exemples?

[@roast_beef]

@@ChiefMedicPururu Phin from Spider-Man Miles Morales

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@roast_beef Never played it. What's the issue with them?

[@Deathshead1923]

@@ChiefMedicPururu They fight Miles for the entire game only to have a token “sorry I was wrong” before sacrificing themselves to fix their mess.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@Deathshead1923 Oh. Sounds cliché.

[@Smuggy97]

A fun idea would be "why villains don't need a redemption arc"

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

I think he already made a video on that.

[@MultiBoxingKid]

I mean, sure, not every villains needs redemption, but saying to not gave any villains redemption is extreme. If you say that, we wouldn’t have Zuko from “Avatar” or Kratos from “God of War”. They both did villainous things, especially Kratos and his time in Greece, but they redeemed themselves and became better people.

[@Drip_Wooper]

@@MultiBoxingKid interessing topic, I feel like a bunch of redeemed villains who were done right can have arguments made about them not actually being villains but broken people who needed help (Zuko being mentioned in almost all of these arguments)... and honestly "villain" is whole can of worms on its own too, because apparently every person defines the term 'villain' differently, some saying a villain is just someone opposing a clear hero (even if said hero is not the main character, meaning the villain can he the protagonist) and can absolutely be redeemed if they can atone for what they did, some saying a villain is someone doing evil things despite knowing its bad/ someone doing evil thing just because they know its evil, and thus cannot be forgiven, and there is the whole discussion going even deeper down about "is it truly evil if they didnt knew it was bad because X reasons?" in a nutshell what I'm trying to say is, while I myself dont have a formated opinion as of right now, I am fully aware of the existence of a number of people who if found your comment, would argue that: if it can be redeemed, then it wasnt actually a 'true villain', just someone who was broken and either gave up trying to fix themselves or were trying to fix themselves without knowing how to properly do so, I would like to hear your opinions on the matter

[@MultiBoxingKid]

@@Drip_Wooper Apologies but I can’t answer your question, simply because I can’t explain myself well. I was simply stating my opinion in the original comment, that villain can have redemption arcs, just not all of them, some are just irredeemable or just refuse make that choice.

[@dylansharp8471]

What about The Owl House?

[@megarakadmea]

I think Vanny needed to be more active both as herself and as her serial killer persona, but I think what we’re missing most is how the alt persona tortures her more innocent self. In the emails people dug up between Vanessa and a coworker with a crush on her, it’s clear the Afton persona is ordering torture devices to use on her. We could have saved her from one of these episodes and seen how she’s suffering.

[@pokeprof.ramnus2826]

An idea I've always had to fix Rose's motivations was to switch the Main Story Plot with the Post Story Plot. Have the Royal Brothers be the main antagonists and their shenanigans causes Eternatus to awaken from the Power Plant chamber and absorb Dynamax Energy from all over Galar to restore its original form and bring about the Darkest Day. You can still have Rose as the main antagonist for the Post Game Plot. He tries to keep the situation under control as best he can, but ultimately fails and has to rely on the Player Character and their friends to stop Eternatus. This change no longer makes Rose out to be an idiot and plays up his actual admirable traits, like how much he cares for the Galar Region.

[@bartoszwolny1183]

Akechi is such a intresting mash of chaotic ideas that I cant help but love this character. The fact that his plan is doomed to fail, that overall even that he have done so much, and is actually really smart and skilled his achievments are nothing more than result of a fraud. He just couldn't win beacuse as he said "his heart was enslaved by human realtions and his past selve". He was greatly striped from his persona (literally and methaphoricly) in Shido's palace. It made for a great discussion and essey topis being in my top 10 favourite Persona characters, but not really for a great leading antagonistic force. He is fleshed well in Royal but doesnt have clear motives and goals on the other hand shido isn't fleshed at all but have pretty straight forward goals "me go be prime minister, me have country".

[@kartikayysola]

Akechi to me is an inverse of Namatame from P4. While Namatame was pretty bad on the surface and did do bad things, his intentions were pure and he may not have done what he did had he known more about the Midnight Channel. Whereas Akechi is sweet and charming on the surface, but an absolute mess on the inside. Taken on those terms I think he works well, and the third semester really drove home how much I respected the guy, even if I didn't necessarily like him.

[@Akechifan]

Royal saved his character

[@mymadnessworld9342]

Akechi's motives to go after Shido is more clear in the JP ver and with Japanese society in context. He is an orphan and his mother committed suicide while he was young. Orphans are known as black sheep in Japan, so people, employers, and schools try to steer clear of them. Akechi suppressed by society by factors out of his control, and he became resentful. So at the age of 15, Akechi was kicked out of his orphanage (at that age, orphans are considered to be old enough to be able to take care of themselves), and he was homeless for a while. The only option that he had was to beg Shido to give him a home and to help him, and if it weren't for Akechi's "Call of Chaos" metaverse abilities, Akechi would have been ignored by Shido and left to fend for himself. These are the reasons and motives for his definition of rebellion, and he has two personas to define that. A persona for justice (he truly does believe in justice just as much as Joker), and a persona for his sense of rebellion (to get back at Shido and to all the people who has hurt him).

[@rustyshackelford4224]

​@mymadnessworld9342 I can tell you're a hardcore Persona fan by your PFP.

[@mymadnessworld9342]

@@rustyshackelford4224 I very much am haha

[@Danothyus1]

My big problem with Akechi is more the fact that his betrayal is so telegraphed. So much that he is not even on the original opening, he is also the only character without a CG summoning of his persona. And that is without the fact we know someone is betraying us from the start.

[@thesilverblueman]

people tend to forget foreshadowing is supposed to be subtle even before I knew he was even a party member i knew he was going to be evil

[@tsmblindzo3033]

He's not in the opening because he's not a Phantom Thief, and he doesn't have a CG awakening because he already had his persona before meeting the PTs. He's in the main menu subway station too so I didn't think it was too obvious

[@janecklyn]

Thought the twist was supposed to be that the thieves knew, not that Akechi was the traitor.

[@F1areon]

I think that's the point; almost everyone would immediately pick up red flags about Akechi right off the bat. The REAL twist is the stuff regarding, say, "Igor"...

[@RaspyCh]

@@janecklyndoesn’t make it good tho, to some people

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

I remember watching playthroughs and a bunch of videos about security breach when the game first dropped and at first I was confused thinking I missed something when I only saw vanny pop up 2 times only for my surprise to be that vanny wasn't even ultilzed at all when it came to the over arching story outside of those endings which are pretty lack luster

[@unironicallydel7527]

Scotty boy is a one trick pony, what'd you expect? He can make a game thats like 90% jumpscares and 10% game, but he falls flat when making an actual game, unfortunately.

[@MoojinBoi]

​@@unironicallydel7527believe it or not that wasn't his fault, after he left the game they completely reworked it and entirely fucked over vanny, who scotty boy DID make a lot of content for, the more you know ;)

[@robxholicfoxyfan8552]

So much of Vanny was cut and not used that she barely even counts as a "bad" villain and is basically non-existent.

[@rustyshackelford4224]

Still wasted opportunity...

[@robxholicfoxyfan8552]

@@rustyshackelford4224 I know, honestly even moreso because she wasn't used.

[@clovergambit3051]

To this day it's still crazy how much Vanny herself was heavily monetized (with the merchandize) and teased to be the next big bad but gets thrown out almost immediately.

[@e2b265]

I literally looked at the beginning cutscene of Pokémon Shield and said “This guy is going to either be evil or incredibly boring” and apparently I was wrong! He was both.

[@MothFable]

Honestly I’m glad Pokémon went the way they did with sado/turo. It wasn’t like an insanely good villain but it was unexpected and incredibly interesting from a story standpoint. Like an ai that is gonna be forced to open a portal and destabilize/ destroy the region but doesn’t want too, and so he knows that you have to kill him. It was so interesting having him basically say “I can’t hold back but you still have to kill me”. Also it was a really fun boss fight

[@tallmyster1323]

If you look at small bits of context in Sword/Shield (Rose's Battle Theme, conversations with the man, and even being shown an energy plant on an early route) The game gives a very vague sense they intended Rose to be a very grand, morally grey villain of sorts. Too bad a lot of things got mangled during Gen 8 development.

[@GameBreaker1055]

He is this "I can do it and can't expect anyone else to do it."-character. Him wanting to fix the energy crisis soon rather than pray that the people in the next hundred years care for it, makes sense. But obviously he bit off more than he could chew with Eternetus as he clearly lost complete control off it around the time the random dynamaxing started. The state of the lab also hints at Eternetus having broken free rather than being released. Him talking up Leon was not because he could not weight, but because he could not admit that the time that was running out was on Eternetus being kept locked up. His talk about bringing the darkest day was him trying to make the situation appear to be in control so a mass panic would be prevented. After all, the champ was there!

[@cookiealchemie1756]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; I'd be fine with Chairman Rose not being able to wait one more day to fix the energy thing if the game convinced me he couldn't. make him paranoid, counting and tallying up the costs for the lights, cameras, sound systems of the pokemon league. Make it believable that he can't wait!

[@GameBreaker1055]

I mean... The random dynamaxing of pokemon complete with the utter destruction of the lab kinda made that part clear to me. He was playing it cool to prevent a mass panic, but he had NOTHING under his control. His talk about bringing forth the darkst day was all just talk while Eternetus was already burning through its prison as he spoke.

[@cookiealchemie1756]

@GameBreaker1055 I was moreso reffering to before he breaks and sets off the darkest day, if that makes any sense?

[@GameBreaker1055]

@@cookiealchemie1756 The thing though is that he did not set off the darkest day like he claimed, but just that they had lost complete control over Eternetus and he only pretended to be masterminding the whole thing to make it seem controlled. People will much less panic if they think the undefeated champ just has to foil the plan rather than a litera natural disaster hovering above their heads. The randomly dynamaxing pokemon already set up the loss of control over the energy pokemon and you can see by the shattered prison that Eternetus has clearly "releaseed" itself rather than being set free.

[@cookiealchemie1756]

@@GameBreaker1055 i just think when we have three sit-down conversations with him in his goofy dad disguise that maybe he shoulda had his mask slip the tiniest bit, give us some foreshadowing king. if there were more of a stead progression of rose losing his god damn mind and then the eternatus meltdown happens, then id like it more cause thered be set up for the "rose evil" payoff to work with.but we didnt really get that?

[@GameBreaker1055]

@@cookiealchemie1756 But it would have made 0 sense. He starts to lose control over Eternetus only by the time we reach the 7th gym. That's when the random dynamaxing happens. And the plays it cool because he does not want to admit to himself that he screwed up and because he has blind trust in Leon being able to handle it.

[@geardog24]

The problem with Pokémon villains is that they try to make them the new Team Rocket, but safer and more "family friendly". What we need is a real villain that's something of a global threat, and actually has some real power behind them.

[@gasterthemaster6490]

AI Sada/Turo did have the balls to be a global menace, even if not directly, and was the "reincarnation" of a canonically dead character. Not to mention how the twist makes sense retroactively. Most of the other villains are garbage, though. While Rose was not *as* bad as people make him seen, the 1000 year thing is incredibly dumb.

[@plates7245]

It doesn't have to be a global threat, they just have to be a antagonistic force in the story like say a rigged league that undermines the value competition.

[@BabyGirlTiny]

Basically Pokémon black and white and Pokémon Ruby and sapphire

[@RoninCatholic]

I disagree that Pokemon game villains need to be threats to world safety. That's _exactly_ what the Aether Foundation was, exactly what Team Flare were, etc. No, what we need are something between the utter time wastes that are Team Yell, Team Skull, and Team Star and the original Team Rocket. Give the small roaming gangs of criminals _achievable and unambiguously bad_ motivations they can sometimes get away with, like stealing peoples' Pokemon or using Pokemon to steal things from people. Give some down to earth personal stakes to stopping them. They don't need to be an advanced and well-organized crime syndicate, they don't need to be "well-intentioned" eco-terrorists destroying human civilization for their self-perceived love of nature, they don't need to be a cult bent on (controlling time and space, activating an ancient WMD, opening wormholes to let in monstrosities from another dimension...), they just need to be bad people using their Pokemon for bad things, and clearly making the lives of normal people worse until your player stops them. Have times where they're fighting with NPC police and sometimes losing, sometimes running away, to show the law enforcement officers armed with flamethrower dogs aren't just for show. The Pokemon devs keep using upping the stakes as a substitute for giving an actual reason to fight. It's almost a worse change than replacing serious battlers as rivals who want the same championship belt that you do into cheerleaders who intentionally take the elemental disadvantage against you and never build a credible team.

[@gasterthemaster6490]

@@RoninCatholic Team Star and Team Yell weren’t villains. Team Star are bosses, but they are just a group of kids that were bullied and now wanted to take revenge. The conflict here is personal, and while nobody is in danger, there's still a drive. I don't really like Yell, but they're not the main villains. Macro Cosmos were the villains (now if they were competent...).

[@elemomnialpha]

Honestly it would be fairly easy if they just made the Eternatus' release a PROPHECY that effectively only Rose knew about, that it was preordained that Eternatus would awaken on that day specifically and there was no waiting because it was out of his control, or that Eternatus could only be awoken on very specific days similar to storylines based around eclipses or the alignment of the planets and that if they didn't do it then they wouldn't get another chance until it WAS too late despite how long that time was With the thing that still makes him the villain is not telling anyone about the upcoming apocalypse and being too insistent on Leon specifically catching it to boost him and no one else so he stands in your way , effectively being obsessed with pushing Leon's status as the ultimate champion as much as possible at the expense of effectively everything Abd I find it funny that people always meme about how useless the adults are in things like this but then complain when it's played straight and the adults actually try to take care of things

[@aisadal2521]

Oh yeah, Chairman Rose was definitely a bad, WTF villain, like, the energy crisis couldn't have waited just one more day? With how advanced the technology is, and some Dex entries talking about sustainability, you'd think that they would've had multiple blueprints/foundations to work on to deal with said energy crisis Chairman Rose really thought the world wouldn't be destroyed by an ancient evil, despite multiple historical accounts saying the world was almost destroyed by said evil 🤦‍♂️ There's stupid, and then there's mega stupidity 😒

[@nickroberts501]

I certainly noticed quite the flaw with Chairman Rose and his obsession with the energy crisis. You know how there are some people that are stuck in the past, as if the stupidity that happened in those times is still going on? Chairman Rose...is the exact opposite of that. He's stuck in the future, as if the energy crisis is happening. Which explains his impatience, his need for results NOW and not LATER. An explanation. Not an excuse. If anything, I'd rather try to break down his ridiculous obsession with a few questions. "Is the energy crisis happening now?" "You're certain it'll happen in the future?" "Do you know how to completely fix it?" "Do you know what it entails?" From what I understand, Chairman Rose's perception is dulled because of the very IDEA of the energy crisis that will happen long after he's gone. He's stuck in the future where it's happening. ...And he doesn't know the details, he doesn't even know what it looks like.

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

*gigantimax stupidity

[@itachizolden]

Dawg I didn’t even know he was the villain even when I battled him

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

@@itachizolden i never realized Diana was the champ before i battled her either

[@itachizolden]

@@PancakemonsterFO4 no like i think 2 years thinking that sword and shield didn’t have a main villain

[@IamBardsongWolf]

Nothing disappoints me more in a story or video game than villains (or heroes) with so much potential; then in one way or another they end up being a disappointment, because the idea was there, soo close to something great. Although, I quickly react with wasted potential since storytelling is important to me; so it is why I love fan creations that explore other possibilities in AUs. This is a great video. Love when this guy talks about characters.

[@Blandy8521]

With Infinite I feel like they could've played around with the reality bending by breaking the 4th wall and messing with the UI and the abilities of the player

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

But then, that would have bloated the cheap budget.

[@Canibar13]

So what Metal Gear did with Psycho Mantis, but not just contained to 1 boss fight? Another good example would be Eternal Darkness as well.😊

[@Blandy8521]

@@Canibar13 Yep! That's what I was thinking of!

[@tooru-kun4178]

I really like the concept of rose especially compared to gen 3 team (I still can't believe how that idiots think their plan would work) but yeah he really should be more fleshed out and better written

[@purplehaze2358]

"Security breach was quite the mixed bag when it was released" Yeah, if the 'mix' you're referring to is a concoction of dogshit, bugs, and the ashes of burnt good will.

[@justasimplenobody2666]

Can we even call Infinite a villain? I think a better title for him is "Disappointment"...

[@sarafontanini7051]

I could easily see Rose as far more antagonsitic. like instead of having him be a good guy who's too future thinking, you do the opposite, have him be a selfish bastard who only wants popularity, fame and wealth and abuses Eternatus to gain and maintain that power as he relies on him to make the gym matches more fun and in turn get his company more money through tourism and such via the draw of the gym battles and pokemon league, not even thinking about the effect Eternatus' power will have in the long run. Sure it takes away the uniqueness of him being a good guy who acts as our big bad, and takes away the duality of him and leon who lives in the moment, but still I feel this would make for a better VILLAIN, and certainly give you more reason to wanna oppose him. Oleana could even be motivaed to act as the one covering up his misdeeds out of her loyalty andd love to him.

[@glitchster8852]

I feel bad for whatever happened during development for Vanny to be completed thrown to the side. She has an amazing design and concept and was much cooler in the trailers.

[@SnowyFoxxo1123]

The biggest issue with Chairman Rose honestly comes down to how incredibly rushed the Darkest Day storyline is. It's essentially a 20 minute main quest that tries to cram a whole game's worth of plot into that timeframe -- Even the fact that the very first time you learn of Eternatus in game is right before the encounter with Rose. If the story was paced better and elements of the Darkest Day plot was seeded in different parts of the game other than practically the very ending, he really could've ended up being one of the better Pokemon villains in the series, since his arc has so many good elements of that "Right but in the wrong way" character

[@marvinp90]

I actually really loved Aketchi’s story in the Royal Epilogue. I liked how he would rather die than live on in someone else’s fantasy

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

With Akechi, I think Royal's conclusion for him would have been better had it been more final for him. He dies in Shido's palace after seeking his approval, and finally after being brought back by Maruki he gets his chance to demonstrate to the cast that he's actually learned that he doesn't need anyone's approval but his own by going against Maruki and choosing for the world to go on as normal, even at the cost of his own life. Going out on his own terms. The teaser of him being alive does detract from that.

[@Kasaix]

I saw Rose's heel-turn from minute one. He was designed to look kind. Everything about him was kind. I didn't trust it. They tried too hard with that design.

[@mimictear6788]

It's amazing just how many levels Infinite fails on. As a Villain, he's a failure because his presence in the story carries exactly no weight. As a Rival, he's a failure because of the four playable characters, he doesn't manage to form a meaningful connection to any of them, and breaks every convention of Rival Design. As a plot device, he's a failure since his role could be occupied by a plate of mashed potatoes.

[@BloodyEclipse756]

Goro Akechi is definitely a miss for me as a antagonist. The problem I have with him is that there really isn't much interaction with him. Sure in Persona 5 Royal there was interaction, but in the original is where I see the damage. The damage being with the confidant being automatic. Which sucks since Goro Akechi works as a foil to the protagonist of Persona 5.

[@BabyGirlTiny]

Akechi doesn’t work as a foil for joker because he and joker have nothing in common with each other. Akechi works better as a foil to someone like Ann, Ryuji, and Yosuke than Joker

[@Thej4589]

@@BabyGirlTinyHow is he not a good foil? A foil is meant to contrast the protagonist and that’s what Akechi does Their views on teamwork and friends, how they chose to get back at shido, their views on justice as a whole The whole point of a foil is to be very different from the mc lol

[@devanplays3509]

​@@BabyGirlTinyTheir literally opposites to each other

[@veba_7593]

Even in Royal, Akechi is still flawed in my opinion. I adored his personality before his betrayal and even after his betrayal I still thought "huh, our fight can be really cool". But then he started to have tantrums and literally said "I don't believe in your friendship!!!" like a kids cartoon character. He had so much potential and it was ruined simply because they wanted to make him this edgy-crazy kid. And don't even get me started on how thieves react to him. He killed Futaba's mother, he killed Haru's father and they're all ready to forgive this crazy-ass murderer like it's nothing. When he eventually came back I was waiting for a character development but NOPE. He still is this edgy jerk who sometimes even insults the people he hurt first-hand, without even thinking about apologizing. He had so much potential, it hurts.

[@devanplays3509]

@@veba_7593 yeah you don't understand shit about his character lol

[@XShrike0]

5:54 Reminds me of Warhammer 40k. People that don't know about the setting have asked fans if they would like to live there and are shocked when the fans tell them, "No."

[@BlackKanye]

The only good part about the 'he might be alive' thing with Akechi is if there is another fighter. He can be in it without having to ignore him being in the roster or bullshit. I mean they could still do that, but I would like him to be there. Already had to suffer Makoto not being in Ultimax.

[@NarumiButterfly]

Yknow i really hate how appearently masters doubles down on roses stupidity by not only still clinging to solving a nonexistent energy crisis but also solve it AROUND THE WORLD! In a world where electric types exist and can power whole cities like it's nothing...

[@NotMyRealName6]

The only flaw with Mephiles is the game he's in. Otherwise, he's basically everything Infinite _should_ have been. An immense threat whenever he appears, able to read and manipulate those around him to further his own goals, and his first direct interaction with Sonic, the cornerstone of his entire plan, is to just shoot him, taking the direct approach when trying to manipulate Silver into doing it failed miserably. Eggman is the tacked-on villain in that game, since even _Bowser_ would call out the generic "save the princess!" storyline in Sonic's campaign.

[@jaretco6423]

The problem with Mephiles is that he's an absolute idiot. Why couldn't go back to an time where he & Iblis were separated and rejoin him there to become Solaris again😅? Why does he have to wait till now to finally join him? This guy can travel through time. But he waited over 200 years to rely an stupid silver hedgehog to travel back to time and kill Sonic so he can make Elise and releasing Iblis? Even than, Silver failed twice. And than he started to kill Sonic after saving Elise for the 5th time and now Iblis is finally released & became Solaris now? Elise barely knew Sonic and she started crying for him after; what? Couple days afterwards. Not going into time travel paradox? Sheesh. The story/plot in 06 sucks and so is Mephiles.

[@NotMyRealName6]

@jaretco6423 I'm assuming he attempted a complex plan, and when that blew up in his face, he settled for the direct approach. Likely because the whole game was a time loop until the ending.

[@jaretco6423]

@@NotMyRealName6 As Somecallmejohnny would put it. TIME TRAVEL IS BULLSHIT!

[@reagansido5823]

Saddlers reaction to "a senior moment perhaps" being "ooooooooh i see what you did they" is awesome characterization.

[@castform7]

I've heard a lot of good and simple fixes for Rose and most of them have to do with the timeframe in which something goes wrong with Galar's energy. Why Pokemon decided 1000 years was a good one is beyond me. It makes Rose look like an impatient whiney baby who can't wait like half a day to get Leon's full attention after the battle. Hell, they could've even play into the long time frame. Have Rose be scared that even if it's a couple centuries off, he doesn't know when the point of no return is and that Leon shrugging off the crisis could snowball into being a constant issue of him valuing other things more than Galar's future. Still not great but with the bar set so low, I think I passed it.

[@rafaelcruz7258]

It is worse when you read Regieleki's dex entry.

[@brandonvelde5774]

​​@@rafaelcruz7258 That's electrical energy, not dynamax energy which is what Rose is worried about.

[@GameBreaker1055]

Honestly... The lab was compltely destroyed. Does no one think that MAYBE the issue was not the energy crisis, but Eternetus just straight up breaking free by itself? Maybe the living nuclear bomb beneath Galar whose energy was already leaking out was not exactly waiting to be released anymore. And that is also not exactly what you want to tell people so his "bringing forth the darkest day"-bullshit at least made the situation appear as a controlled thing rather than it being the natural disaster it actually was

[@efad3215]

​@@brandonvelde5774Energy is energy. Just need to find a way to convert it.

[@Taraku43]

If Vanny would have been shown in some cutscenes between your adventure, maybe instead of only focusing on Gregory but also on Vanessa and Vanny, she could have been portrayed a lot better with her slowly losing her mind to Afton and becoming Vanny fully. To where at the end, instead of facing of against 1, you need to look out of all the cleaning robots being tuend to Vanny illusions and makes the ending area a challenge to get through of. Akechi could have been fixed aswell, just unsure how to do it best myself. Rose should have been shown that instead of simply wanting to use Eternatus for power, he had already began using many other Pokemon aswell, draining them off all their life and killing them. As once you find that out, he explains he was right about it ending in a thousand years. Yet that was with the Pokemon he used as juice, and after freeing those, the time left went down from thousand of years to hours left. Making him more of a villain, yet also making it make sense why he was so willing to do it then. The RE4 Remake should have kept most of the interactions from the original, letting it keep the same tone, yet give the player the option to turn them off or ignore them to give it a serious tone still. Aka 2 versions to experience the story. And finally, Infinite...He has no easy fix, but Imma try. Have Eggman trick him, into thinking Shadow was Sonic, Infinite and the Avatar being friends before he turned to Eggman's side, have Infinite slowly over the course of the game find out the truth behind Eggman's lies, and end the game by having Infinite figure out the truth of Shadow beating him up, yet Sonic protecting Shadow, and swear war on all of Team Sonic aswell, using all the might of the Phantom Ruby to turn the fight to a mind fuck scenario where you won't know what is real and fake

[@Zathurious]

I really like your rewrite of chairman Rose. As for Akechi... If we're talking about preroyal, I didn't really give him a second thought. He was just a generic villain. It was only with his rewrite in Royal that I actually saw him as a character.

[@Zekeziel-Reacts]

I wonder why more games don't use the Megaman X1 method of showcasing a villain of a threat. By that, I mean that how Vile defeats the player in battle (rather than in a cutscene) and escapes. It gives the player the initial impression that they have a fighting chance because enemies don't have health bars in X1 so you don't realise that he's actually invulnerable. As you keep shooting him, you realise that he can take more punishment than the helicopter minibosses and everything else you've fought in the level. All while he continues to drain your health by his attacks (granted, you can't avoid them because there's no platforms and you have no double jump) until you're low enough for him to paralyze X and attempt a capture.

[@zerojones0]

For me, it's DmC vergil. He's not only a downgraded version of vergil from devil may cry, he's also just not really intimidating or even interesting as a character in the entire game so when he's the final boss I don't really feel anything and not really interested in him once he does his heel turn

[@tcrpgfan]

Thank you dmcv for giving vergil a clear reason why he has enmity with dante (Trish went for the latter first hid him, then was killed by demons before she could get to vergil. Giving vergil the idea she preferred dante over him.). DmC vergil is just kind of an asshole.

[@DaShikuXI]

DmC also doesn't exist.

[@rustyshackelford4224]

​@@tcrpgfanOuch.

[@Joshi_ForReal]

Honestly, "The spot" from Spiderman across the spiderverse is like Infinite done right

[@poolturtle5772]

“Or maybe the Klonoa games that can rip your heart out of your chest because of how emotional they are” THE KING OF SORROW FIGHT IS ONE OF THE GREATEST MOMENTS IN PLATFORMER HISTORY. THE END. But seriously I hold that series in high regard because it was one of my introductions to platformers and gaming in general. The heartfelt stories it tells while still having a cartoony look makes it so worthwhile. If you can pick up the remasters on switch or PS5 or whatever: DO IT. I promise you won’t regret it.

[@F1areon]

#KingOfSorrowSweep

[@rustyshackelford4224]

​@@F1areonPeople remember Klonoa?

[@F1areon]

I do!! @@rustyshackelford4224

[@hnaw1360]

I loved Akechi. He really worked a lot for me. The auto confidant ranks, to me at least, were because I assumed Akechi would be almost a worse Makoto. Where hes a thorn in the teams side that tries everything he can to figure out who is apart of the Phantom Thieves. I already got spoiled he'd be playable so I assumed all this was leading up to him going back on the BS he spewed on TV about the Phantom Thieves being anti-justice and seeing their side. So when he turned out to be the killer of Haru's Dad it took me by surprise and worked a lot as a paraellel to the player since it shows just how badly revenge can taint a person. We both want revenge but Akechi is the only one actively hurting people to get it. I think Akechi is great and actually became hard to predict his twist by having a similar thing as Makoto. Speaking out against the Phantom Thieves and foreshadowing him changing his ways due to actually having a Confidant. I can see why you dislike him but him HAVING a automatic Confidant for most of the game honestly made me feel like his story role wouldnt be against us but with us

[@maas1208]

Honestly Vanny and Infinite are the textbook definition of Wasted Potential when it comes to villains

[@commander392]

By removing the camp, they also didnt fix some of the scenes in order for it to work, such as Salazar's right hand coming down to kill you when they should all think Leon was impaled because they removed the communication beforehand.

[@lebendigesgespenst7669]

security breach actually upsets me so much with the villain situation. I was totally onboard with Vanny as a concept to replace afton. WE DIDNT NEED HIM BACK!!! THEY DIDN'T NEED TO ABSOLUTELY SHAFT VANNY IN ORDER TO PUT AFTON BACK INTO THE "TRUE" ENDING! Jesus christ!

[@madengineerkyouma]

I'm SO glad you mentioned Spark the Electric Jester 3

[@fluffcake]

Vanny was such a ruined opportunity that even the new villain, The Mimic feels kinda sour. I mean, I still like him, but Vanny could’ve been this era’s new FNAF villain and then Mimic.

[@andrewendres4421]

Infinite should have gone further into the edge lord trope and make be an incredibly powerful being who is going through a phase.

[@Jack-WsBar]

The revenants from Mortal Kombat are the epidemy of Cool villain concept and designs but wasted potential

[@Jack-WsBar]

God i only noticed that smiling emoji now Its so cursed lemme edit out that shit

[@ryanm.8720]

Ditto with Kronika. And Cetrion, to a lesser extent, as the story barely gives her any screen time to flesh out her character, making her sudden betrayal at the halfway point, and her final fate, feel hollow.

[@freyathedragon899]

I remember playing Sword and Shield THE DAY IT CAME OUT with my buddy, and as soon as the game opened I was like 'that's him, that's our bad guy' and I was soul-crushed to find out I was right I don't know what tipped me off, he just looked like a guy that was keeping secrets or hiding mental instability

[@memorableman3709]

Cool to see that you still upload videos. Very consistent length and quality too!

[@kai_3788]

Holy shit your idea for Chairman Rose is so cool I love it

[@Vegeta241]

You know, when it comes to Akechi, I never saw his villain reveal as the plot twist. To me, the true plot twist was that the Phantom Thieves saw this turn coming from the word go. Or… I guess the word “pancakes” would be more accurate. When it comes to SwSh, honestly I felt that game… didn’t really need a villain. The story was about the gym challenge, something Galar did very well. I never had a Pokémon game have the Gym Challenge feel so important before. But, if we needed a villain, you are right in saying the best way to describe Rose would be “wasted potential”. Maybe if the crisis was taking place in 10 or maybe even 50 years, Rose’s urgency would have been more sound. Heck, I can envision a version of SwSh where Rose is an antagonist, but not a villain, you know? He is just trying to do his best to save the region he genuinely cares for, and is frustrated that no one wants to help him save this place. Also, I know that the DLC came later, but Regieleki is right there. Rose’s problems would have been solved without having to awaken an Eldridge horror.

[@mid_nyght]

There was only one perfect way to open this video and that was with Spiral Mouth's Twinsanity OST. Lovely!

[@DangerDan64]

This sounds pretty far fetched, but the story of Sonic Forces could've been the best Sonic story game wise at the time. But of course it was handled so poorly no could take the plot points seriously, especially when the characters don't reflect on what's stated. For example previously stated how much power Infinite had, if it was shown everytime how much he can change the landscapes where us the player are going through and we have to clutch our way to win almost every time. That claim would actually hold weight. Another example of this was "Sonic is being tortured by Eggman nonstop after his capture." Sonic: *Making wise cracking jokes like any other day Me: "How is Sonic being tortured? Maybe from boredom, but nothing physical or psychological. " Yeah at that point, I just felt lied to by the game every step of the way. (Love how the writer for Frontiers acknowledged that shitty portrayal of Tails and made it work on how he still has a long way to go for how inconsistent he is when it comes to bravery. A decent writer would've retcon that moment and that will be fine with me. So I give even more credit to actually still addressing it so everyone won't be so decisive of the storyline as a whole.)

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Sonic was never tortured, Pontac and Graff made shit up. Same for Tails "losing it". Silver meant that they lost Tails, not that Tails became crazy. Also, Infinite's multiple backstories.

[@DangerDan64]

@@ChiefMedicPururu This already tells me you never played the game let alone the cutscenes.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@DangerDan64 What the hell? I DID play it and YES, I did watch the cutscenes. Forces is pretty much known for having a bad story and the localization changes made it even more confusing and dumb.

[@matthewpletsch7523]

Infinite is sad, because his theme song hints that he may be a deeper character.

[@kingrobotnik6950]

You know what I wish they did with Saddler? Make him a more ever looming threat in the gameplay. Have him randomly appear while you’re moving about Alma style(appearing just in the corner of your eye. Whether close or at a distance but then disappearing the moment you move your camera on them) throughout the entire game. Maybe have whispers randomly throughout the game. You could have things like a random tentacle being quickly pulled away. You can even have hallucinations like blood pouring from fountains or a candle randomly going or or the screen looking slightly off. Certain things that could happen once and probably never again, even in future playthroughs. Even Ashley could suffer, having her randomly walk towards the enemy to be grabbed or panic and run around the area. You can have their veins well up when it happens. Something to show that while he might not be there in person, his influence can be felt. Some Eternal Darkness: Sanity’s Requiem X F.E.A.R. level insanity since this is meant to be the more creepier version of RE 4. Also, lord forgive me for what I’d let Vanny do to me 😤😮‍💨

[@coffee-ouji]

i still love that from goofy pkmn villains team magma/aqua leaders stand out because they're the only ones who realize they were dumb all along and give up to be good guys™

[@GunghoDynamo]

What I like is that in Pokémon Masters EX, they highlight Rose’s talents as a philanthropist businessman to manipulate the population against the prince of the region. In this storyline, this Rose hasn’t enacted his plan in Galar yet so he’s confused about everyone’s shock and claiming that he was arrested. Giovanni approaches Rose, who wants to use the region’s gimmick as an energy source, and tells Rose that he can him with all the research material he needs to show the public the energy uses of said gimmick. With this, Rose hosts a public event to demonstrate his power and tells the people the prince is keeping this away from them and monopolizing this potential for himself. Sure Rose means well, but he’s a businessman, he will take actions that go to his benefit, even if they are morally questionable. Just as long as they would help the energy crisis in a 1000 years. I am not defending Sword and Shield. That story would’ve been so much more believable in your version. Pokémon Masters EX just has pretty good writing for “what if” continuation stories that take place after the mainline games.

[@FiveFoxesInATrenchcoat]

It’s a sad day when a mobile game has a better story than the mainline games. But seriously, Masters is surprisingly good at storytelling.

[@rustyshackelford4224]

​@@FiveFoxesInATrenchcoatHow is that mobile game good at the storytelling? Like storytelling isn't really Pokémon's strong writing points.

[@VocalFox94]

For villains that fall flat, I'm going to have to give it to my boy Darth Malgus from Star Wars: The Old Republic. He had some good things going on for his story initially, and was a legitimate threat on par with what we'd faced thus far, and his arc was wrapped up succinctly. However, he was brought back after a few years because the devs had already had us kill the Sith Emporer 3 or 4 times by then. As antagonists go, one can argue that you kind of jump the shark with an immortal parasite with an arguably justifiable god complex, so bringing back a seditionist feels inadequate.

[@slimewizard7350]

I dont just hate Chairman Rose for being a stupid villain, I hate Chairman Rose for being a stupid villain who directly follows up Lusamine and Guzma, two of my personal favorite villains in the series.

[@AlexanderTheGrey]

Sword and Shield: "Why do you disappoint me?" Scarlet and Violet: "Second by second, you waste my time."

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Scarlet and Violet also waste your eyes, dat smooth FPS and graphics.

[@onceortwiceooh]

Thanks for talking about re4. I loved the villains for entertainment in the original, so in the remake I was kinda bummed they were a lot less interesting imo. Still loved the game but I feel like they could’ve done the serious route but made them more engaging

[@tcrpgfan]

Them hijacking the comms served lots of purposes story-wise, too. 1) It's the point in the story where you kmow the training wheels are off. 2) It forces Leon to be more reactionary since it's made clear he's being forced to deal with whatever they throw at him. 3) It gives them screen time. 4) It gives them a relationship with Leon with him as their foil. 5) We are given a chance to get to know them AS VILLAINS. The banter not being there is a missed opportunity. ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE WERE OTHER WAYS BESIDES THE COMMS THEY COULDVE USED TO COMMUNICATE WITH LEON.

[@aleisinwndrlen7113]

I think the remake did Krauser justice, though. In the original, they kinda just threw him in outta nowhere. He did not appear in any of the previous titles, but then he apparently had a history together with Leon? Only 2 years later did we get an answer to that, but even then, it's in a minor installment that only a small percentage of the fanbase got to play. This is a problem that the remake solved.

[@Barakon]

4:17 this game was put through the scooper so that ennard 2 could pilot its corpse.

[@TheTruestZero]

Director Rose plan would've made sense with minimal change would be "Galar will suffer from an energy crisis in about a thousand years, but my researchers came to the conclusion that with the increase in consume of resources we seen raising in the later decades, the prediction could safely be shortened to about in a few decades, that's why I'm going to use the power of Eternetus to solve this impending crisis. It's a risk I considered with each report I received within the last few years and it pains me to come to such desperate measures, but I will put Galar over anything." Done, minimal changes with bigger impacts.

[@silverlight6074]

If we want to talk disappointing villains, I'm gonna mention the Ratchet & Clank reboot, as well as Rift Apart. The reboot that was based on the first game had *such a low bar* to clear with Chairman Drek. He wasn't a deep or complicated character, he was a business mogul pretending he needed to rip apart other planets to build his people a new home, when the real reason was his idea for an infinite bolts cheat. And yet, somehow, the reboot just made him even weaker. I don't even remember if he gave a motivation for what he was doing, but a little more than halfway through the game, he gets offed by Dr. Nefarious...who is *equally* disappointing compared to his original debut in UYA. Instead of being a mad scientist who made himself into a robot in a quest for revenge against Captain Qwark...he's apparently *just* a robot who at one point was in the Galactic Rangers? Details fuzzy, but it's hard to remember the flavor of watered-down La Croix too. Rift Apart was less of a disappointment, but we really don't get enough interaction with the villains. We get a few nebulous broadcasts about Dr. Nefarious trying to hunt down Ratchet and Rivet, then the Emperor shows up for a chat and leaves with him...and then he mostly just kinda exists in the periphery, only showing up for dramatic scenes. We hardly get to see the Emperor Nefarious, so there's not a lot of buildup before it goes to the final fight. And of course, this version of Dr. Nefarious is still the one from the reboot (no one is going to convince me otherwise) and he doesn't have Lawrence backing up his humor. Granted, I can't be mad at Lawrence for that, the VA was actually on leave.

[@misterzygarde6431]

9:51 I would be down for Lysandre and Rose to be mocked in a future Pokemon game. Like have them mentioned in passing by an NPC who makes fun of them Also I do love the idea of how you want to fix Rose I would love to see the Deadly Six and Infinite reappear but either are the butt of any joke whenever they appear, going through misfortune like Infinite losing the Phantom Ruby and is out of practice or the Deadly Six not being taken seriously 23:26 I think Akechi would be offended by you comparing him to to Infinite

[@Puggers22]

When I was coming up with my own Pokemon region that would be Southwest of Unova, I thought of a post game where Peony, Rose, Oleana, and maybe Peony's daughter arrive in Castelia City on Vacation, where we get more backstory of Rose and see him and Peony become better brothers, Oleana could even get more development too.

[@CodinskiSchwartzando]

Vanny was just a pawn in someone else’s plan. We know from in-game emails and tape recordings that someone higher up at FazBear Entertainment was manipulating Vanessa.

[@rustyshackelford4224]

How do you know?

[@movespammerguyteam7colors]

Honestly there were no real villains in Pokémon Sword & Shield. Team Yell were just overwhelmingly obsessed fans of Marnie and her brother Piers and Chairman Rose had a power project that he should not have activated without more in depth research.

[@epiccm4023]

Good video, it’s very well made, nice work!

[@Mangakamen]

Glad you liked it

[@staticmix1493]

The sheer ammount of WASTED potential Vanny and Infinite have is larger than the entirety of Naruto INCLUDING THE FILLER

[@maas1208]

Fr

[@sarafontanini7051]

I'll be hoenst seeing Persona 5 in the spoilers section i was totally ready for you to be talking about shido or yaldabaoth, as i see lots of people criticise them while I think they're great if simple villains

[@schneemilch908]

14:30 I agree. Especially if you look at the manga, because there are so many interesting villains and characters. For example one villain lost his pokemon in the past, and the grief of this drove him to begin seeing others as expendable. And so he controls the evil team and do horrible deeds in his search for Celebi, to change the past. Or one, who infiltrated the news stations, so that the deeds of his team are not widespread known.

[@mr.vanillamilkshake3]

Good list, man. I already can't wait to see how you do a "Terrible Heroes" list (My recommendation is Mist Rex from Super Robot Wars K. Here's some samples: "Yes, things like these (persecution and discrimination) exist on every planet. I've had this kind of experience too. But right now, it's nothing to worry about. Not important." [used to console somebody else whose sister nearly died from discrimination], "Indeed, if we intervene, we can stop the conflict for now, but doing this wouldn't resolve the underlying problem, would it?" [said while people are being massacred and his group is en route to rescue them], "I've also been defeated two times in a row!" [referring to the destruction of his homeworlds]) Still, as for Sonic Forces and Infinite, I can't wait to see how the chaps at SnapCube set him to rights. After all, they've made Mephiles/Memphis Tennesse and Black Doom/The Devil much more fun.

[@Bysthedragon]

I think Mephiles was a really good villain, but the game around him was bad. Mephiles is a fragment of a God who has sworn vengeance against the world for breaking him into pieces and needs to unite with the half that has his power in order to do so, but Mephiles is in no rush to get anywhere fast. He could have completed his master plan at any time during the game just by killing Sonic himself which he ends up doing later, but first he wants to make people suffer just because he enjoys it. He tricks Silver into thinking he needs to kill Sonic in order to save the future because making a pure hearted hero like Silver kill the wrong person and watch the future he tried to escape happen because of his own actions is tragic and he loves it! He shows Shadow himself caged up in the future to tempt Shadow back to the darkside because he wants to see Shadow to go on a vengeance fueled rampage against the world and justify their fears which leads to him being imprisoned in the first place. Biggest missed opportunity is that Sonic never interacts with Mephiles or has any kind of dynamic with him. He doesn't even know the guy exists until Mephiles appears out of nowhere and shoots Sonic in the back like a punk. I want to see how he tries to tempt Sonic because Sonic is not beyond doing the wrong thing for a good reason like Silver, and would do anything if it meant protecting his friends.

[@rustyshackelford4224]

Sonic was pretty much irrelevant throughout the entirety of Sonic 06. Mephiles was overrall a solid villain and a huge successful troll, but it sucks that all of the deeds that he's committed have been entirely deleted from the timeline and he himself entirely has been rendered moot by Sonic 06's ending which resets everything, and he know longer technically existes anymore.

[@devastatheseeker9967]

Rose's plan is just...so stupid. Just scratch off a couple of zeros from that 1000 years

[@jareader3295]

Great vid Kamen. Glad you mentioned Spark 3 as thats my favorite of the triology right next to the first one. It'd be cool if you could fit freom or clarity in for the robot villians vid but I understand if that doesnt work out with what you have in mind.

[@Mangakamen]

That would be cool

[@HutchTheWolf]

I had chairman Rose figured out during the opening scene.

[@neonnwave1]

Other villains who I think are failures: -Tsukasa Shiba (Gundam Build Divers) - Was basically a hardcore gamer who thought newer version of the game he enjoyed is inferior because it wasn't a 'git gud, scrub' scenario. So rather than letting others enjoy what they enjoy, he decides to ruin everything for them because he doesn't believe they truly like the game. -Chairman Mashita (Gundam Build Fighters) - All he had to do was lay low and do nothing. Instead, he decided to risk everything and potentially exposing himself because he was afraid a 14 year old boy would find out who he was (a former thief)... even though the boy had no idea he even existed. -Zigfried von Schroeder (Yu-Gi-Oh!) - Wanted to ruin Kaiba because he was one step ahead in hologram technology for a card game. Rather than bring the thing to court and show he had the idea first, or sabotage Kaiba's company by other means, decides to sabotage a tournament Kaiba was hosting..... -Ultimecia (Final Fantasy VIII) - Wants to destroy the world because...... We're never given a reason as to why she wants to do it. -Galenth Dysley/Barthandelus (Final Fantasy XIII) - Wants to commit omnicide, which means killing himself in the process, in order for he and his kind to meet their creator...... But his kind aren't even sure if it'll work. -Embryo (Cross Ange) - Is an all powerful immortal being who can control people and end worlds, wanted nothing but peace..... and he uses his powers to try to get a 16 year old girl to fall in love with him, and causes conflict..... He's an idiot. -Seymour (Final Fantasy X) - Wants to end the world because he doesn't want people to suffer........ He's an idiot. Oh, and he always gets beaten. -Caius (Final Fantasy XIII-2) - Wants to destroy the world and change time because he doesn't want the girl he protects to die whenever someone changes history....... He's an idiot. -Count Saazbaum (Aldnoah Zero) - Hates the royal family of Mars and blames them for the death of his wife.... Plots revenge against the people of Earth instead who had nothing to do with the death of his wife..... He's an idiot.

[@stormwarrior5362]

I just saw the Yoshikage Kira video in which you said you would discuss why some modern villains are done badly. What timing!

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Speaking of JoJo and disappointment, JoJolion may have the worst villain in the series.

[@ryanm.8720]

@@ChiefMedicPururuBasically; The Mastermind in ‘JoJolion’ suffered from the same writing flaws as Kronika in ‘Mortal Kombat 11’ - only appearing in the final story arc without any mention of their existence, not having clear motives, and being very mysterious even after the story ends.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@ryanm.8720 Actually, he was there before the final arc, but his relevance was like, not that big.

[@electricshield2184]

I view Royal's ending with Akechi as Joker/Ren/Akira still wanting to believe Akechi could still be alive. Because Joker and Akechi had a actual bond in Royal in my opinion.

[@BabyGirlTiny]

They didn’t. Their bond is the same as what it was in the original game. Except it makes even less sense

[@electricshield2184]

@@BabyGirlTiny no because in the original the social link progressed without Joker's input. But in Royal you have to go out of your way to see Akechi to advance his SL. Plus I meant as more of actual rivals and not really friends.

[@brenlc1412]

22:08 I’m starting to think you getting kicked in the head at the Mario movie was a canon event.

[@RagnelEric]

Idk i think 3rd semester helps Akechi a lot.

[@angryboi595]

I feel like if they just explained what the phantom Ruby was and why Infinite needed it, like a life source or something, and why he wants to destroy Sonic he could’ve been done well instead of just being said as “created by Eggman” when in the comics he’s shown to be a jackal who got his squad wiped out by Shadow, but they introduced that late in the comics a year after the game came out, showing they never planned anything with Infinite and made things up as it went along. There’s legit no origin for the Phantom Ruby which really sucks considering it’s powers and abilities. Plus Infinite isn’t shown to be “the most powerful villain of all time” like Sonic Team states, you easily beat his ass multiple times with not only the rookie, who is untrained and weaker than fucking Tails, but gets easily beaten by Base Sonic, and all that is needed is a determined Base Sonic and the rookie to kill him, he only gets a win on Sonic when he jumps him with others. Other Sonic villains like Metal Madness requires the entire Sonic cast to defeat and when he grew to his next form, Metal Overlord, not just Super Sonic was needed, but Super Tails and Super Knuckles. They needed Super Sonic, Super Silver and Super Shadow to defeat Solaris, who was literally eating dimensions and destroying everything. But we don’t need a Super form to beat Infinite. You’re seriously telling me Infinite is stronger than Metal Overlord? Nuh uh, I don’t believe it

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Pretty much. I don't want him to come back.

[@DaShikuXI]

Security Breach is what happens when a series gets milked down to its very last drop. FNAF should have ended after Pizzeria Simulator.

[@stinkymrsnow..............]

Agreed. The only thing I like about Security Breach are the Daycare attendant’s character and other designs

[@Ramsey276one]

3:06 THIS will ve an eternal gem of the unpatched game XD

[@Megamanexe]

Doesnt help Sega double down on the concept as well,. and with Mania's success, Sega and their genius plans and ideas, also wanted Forces to have connections with Mania, to then forcing literal hard labor on the devs to release the game within 6 months in time, after they worked on the lighting engine for three years...yeah no offense to them but Sega of Japan can be idiots.

[@mannyegarica12]

It sucks that we learn in the book Vanny isn't really the real villain. And William Afton controlling her in her head isn't the real William Afton. It's an unstable AI program called the mimics one that learns about William Afton from the Help Wanted game that was trapped in.