SHIPPING - Terrible Writing Advice

[@jjump01]

The first shippers before books and entertainment were parents trying to ship their children with others.

[@pumpkin2986]

Lmao

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

Ah yes, the ancient art of match making

[@louisduarte8763]

The more I think about it, the more I realize Brooklyn 99's Charles Boyle was an in-universe shipper of Jake and Amy. Upping his creepiness.

[@wilcowen6284]

True

[@Какой-точел-д7д]

Lol

[@СергейОрлов-в4е]

I absolutely adore how you say "This *show* made for *children* " with so much suppressed anger

[@ElvenRaptor]

He can see the bronies through the internet.

[@ShadowSorel]

*ATLA flashbacks*

[@sempersolus5511]

*I* adore how he's not talking about any particular show, so that line will always be relevant.

[@WhiteFangofWar]

'This show about Children's Card Games where people ship two characters who constantly express strong dislike for each other, because of course it's merely concealing romantic passion!'

[@noobmasterruben5167]

STVFOE & VOLTRON flashbacks

[@lionorfieldgules3740]

"The entire TWA expanded universe is, in fact, one giant advertisement." Imagine how it would feel to be told your world is an ad.

[@AegixDrakan]

Oh yeah, man that *would* be devastating. I'd want to grab the character by the lapels and (shaking vigorously) ask, with a mood between despair, confusion and rage: *"What the sam hill are we even ADVERTISING?! There isn't even the slightest bit of common narrative threads or obvious product placement!* XD

[@kingofflamingos4344]

I would probably demand a loyalty check on the spot.

[@somethingclever4297]

I would feel depressed. BUT THEN I WOULD HAVE FUN BY PLAYING RAID SHADOW LEGENDS.

[@aaronimp4966]

Imagine dedicating your life by oath to fighting ads, and THEN finding out your world is an ad.

[@outlaweddrifter5172]

I would demand from whatever individual that made this ad royalties.

[@goros2289]

The part about shipping in “shows made for children” is literally Miraculous Ladybug in a nutshell. I find it incredible how both adults and children often come together on Reddit to defend their ships on 15 year old fictional characters, who have terribly written romantic interactions in the source material.

[@floricel_112]

That whole show is basically "shipping war" the show though, right? Not to be confused with the actual "shipping wars" show on history

[@nightigal]

It's worst because everyone is fighting over four different ships that are actually one ship which was bad enough on its own until the writers introduce side pairings that made the whole thing messier than it already was. Good thing I grew up enough to stop caring

[@palookadventures5694]

It's almost like plenty of other people have ideas on how a good ML story could actually go, put their ideas onto paper, and then put it on the internet for others to see. Crazy concept.

[@rhinosaur9636]

I feel like Miraculous is more an example of what happens when the money making corporate side and the creative sides of creating shows don’t agree. ML is super drawn out by now, the original idea that gathered the fan base in the first place is beaten into the ground with no shakeup of the status quo, but if you actually have a good, planned ending, the corporate side loses their cash cow. A shame really, the original concept is good, but the later stuff doesn’t really expand on the secret identity aspect that made the first two seasons alright. It’s just “no one can know!” and they leave it at that

[@slevinchannel7589]

Unlike Shiping, Science vs Science-Denial actually affects real People. Lots of them, but I aint sure if the Averaga Joe knows that.

[@pancakes8670]

When I was younger and taking part in shipping wars, I started going "fuck it" at one point and making my own characters to ship together and oh my goodness it was infinitely more fun That's how I got into writing. I'm not proud of it, but that's my story

[@Newfiecat]

Hey, that's legit. Good for you. 👍 As stressful as writing is, I can imagine it being a heckuva lot less stressful than fighting a shipping war.

[@AshdorCrush9000]

Like literally, making your own characters is SOOO much better. Best of all, you can insert yourself into it with no reprocussions.

[@lleer00na.79]

Based

[@lightningpenguin8937]

@@AshdorCrush9000 well you can always kill your self insert for plot.

[@filelost9194]

Well, you gotta start somewhere

[@nitrocharge2404]

Shipping is arguably the most profitable, yet dangerous creative decisions a writer can make

[@animationdude9]

This is honestly the best way to describe shipping

[@undeadblizzard]

I am still mad Toph and Aang didn't become a Power Couple.

[@animationdude9]

@@undeadblizzard . . . . wait what

[@undeadblizzard]

@@animationdude9 Yes. A Butch and a Femme come on.

[@animationdude9]

@@undeadblizzard No, how are you still mad about that after the show ended _almost 15 years ago?_

[@wiipose3568]

Don't forget that shipping is 100% necessary, all of the time, regardless of genre or having it add even anything to the plot. And it is also forbidden to have two characters of the opposite sex be 'just friends', no matter how much it takes away from the characters development by having them closer to their friends than love interest. If the pairing was originally supposed to be platonic, always remember to suddenly change it to romance at the very last minute with no foreshadowing whatsoever. Because we all know that it's impossible to have a conversation with without it ending in make out session.

[@zappodude7591]

Forget that, no characters of the *same* sex should be friends! Also, no relationship should be self-contained, everyone should be jealous of everyone else all the time!

[@gauntlettcf5669]

In recent times, the "opposite sex" thing has become irrelevant, trust me. Nobody can have normal friends of any kind. If the character are even just 1% close to someone, it HAS to be subtext romance and sexual desire, no matter about gender, sexuality, age, character background, NOTHING. And of course, with the most recent patch of insanity that is spreading like a disease (at least in the fandoms I'm in, sadly), if more than 2 people are anywhere near close, then it MUST BE REPRESENTATION FOR POLYROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS. I've seen people unironically claiming this for the main group of friends in the new animation film "Red". It shows obvious "polyromantic platonic relationship" subtext, come on! It's not like friendships exist for real anyway, right? Or is it just me who has never had any??? Impossible, the reality is that EVERYTHING IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS SUBTEXT 🤪 And even if one of the characters already has a significant other, there's no trouble, they'll all be able to arrange a big, loving org* anyway! Sex must be the only way of interaction between humans, am I right? I wouldn't know, I haven't interacted with other real humans in so long...

[@crr4482]

@@gauntlettcf5669 What no way! are you telling me the random horny guy on twitter might have terrible social skills and might be projecting their kinks? Thats impossible

[@megarotom1590]

I agree...fandoms look way into deep friendships and put ships where there is like very little to know room for it. *cough cough* Ace attorney *cough cough*

[@sirkillalot9892]

@@megarotom1590 Like that franchise has barely any romance besides like maybe Gumshoe and Maggey, a few examples basically for a 'main character. Although I find all the Wrightworth art to be humorous.

[@thechroniclegamer4285]

Ah yes, the true way to stop unwanted shippings *Unrestricted Submarine Warfare* As someone who is part German I approve

[@thunderblood6603]

I do love my World War I references in KZbin comment sections.

[@thechroniclegamer4285]

@@thunderblood6603 they’re great

[@CrazyMazapan]

Let me guess. Your great great great great great great grandfather was German.

[@joshuabessire9169]

Tom Clancy stopped shipping in his story by having the Soviets take Iceland.

[@metaparalysis3441]

@@joshuabessire9169 let me guess, no one heard from greenland ever again

[@eggy6815]

You’ll be happy to know that the My Hero Academia fandom followed all of your advice in this video! Allow me offer you my congratulations... and condolences.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Hoo boy, the Mazinger fandom is actually remarkably civil for a (barely technically) fifty year old fandom. Even better is that the oldest surviving Mazinger fans have become grandparents already.

[@rizkiramadhan9266]

Bonus points for it being a show not for children

[@hamishgoeden7852]

Bakugo: "I hate you. Go die in a hole." Shippers: "oh my god they're in loooove!"

[@kidcircuit1955]

At least it was the fandom and not the writers. *GLARES AT ROOSTER TEETH*

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

Not just that, they started following it before he even made the video. That's how good this advice is.

[@Attaxalotl]

“A romantic relationship in a SHOW MADE FOR CHILDREN. Th stakes couldn’t be higher!” “Remove it with all the Grace and subtly usually reserved for the Nevada Test Site” “The best way to sink ships is with unrestricted submarine warfare” This video is gold.

[@anthonyschlott916]

"How should fans deal with fans of a rival ship? Well obviously, they must die!"

[@salt_factory7566]

Don’t forget the Pearl Harbor reference

[@sku1cru5er17]

I actually thought this was going to cover logistics, I was not prepared for an indepth look into the art of shipping.

[@hmswarspite1064]

Drachinifel has a 50 minute long video on naval logistics, perhaps that could sprak your interest.

[@conferzero2915]

@@hmswarspite1064 Thank you! I had myself excited for a logistics video, so those look great!

[@stevemcgroob4446]

That would have made a good April fools joke.

[@k9builder]

I work in logistics, this sounds like typical office drama. Glad I work outside loading flatbed trailers.

[@kpmh2001]

@@hmswarspite1064 Thank you Warspite, btw, big fan of your work. Sorry they tried to scrap you, great injustice!

[@Glisten456]

Two characters: Look in each other's general direction for exactly one frame Shippers: Now THAT is some romantic tension!

[@Xehanort10]

2 characters show actual romantic tension. Shippers: They're just friends.

[@jarlathquinn2628]

Ah yes Robute gilliman x yvairne

[@SkullQueen33]

This unleashed deep forgotten memories of my youth, when I watched an Inuyasha episode and someone comented something among the lines of: "Oh! Look at the way Sesshomaru looks at Kagome... He clearly respects and loves her more than anything in the world~!💕" ... For those who don't know, Sesshomaru is kinda of a side-quest antagonist for the male MC and he and Kagome (the main girl character) barely even talk at eachother for the entirety of the anime. Oh, and the frame this person was pointing out was one when Sesshomaru wasn't even looking at her; he was looking (and _talking_) to another person right behind Kagome's back.

[@CCLOSPINA]

Ahsoka Tv series; Wolfwren in a nutshell.

[@IAmAlpharius20]

​@@jarlathquinn2628 HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

"Alright, sell me on this pairing." "Well, he's hot...and she's a nerd who's just an average person...who's also actually hot." "And they share common interests?" "..uh..." "Surely they have SOMETHING in common? Like, if they were talking together, there's a topic they would both like, right? " "Well, they both kinda like Breakfast at Tiffany's, I guess?" "..good grief."

[@CombatSportsNerd]

I swear to God it’s like some of these writers have never been in or seen a relationship before

[@pygmalion0451]

Ooh, a Deep Blue Something reference. Those are rare

[@astracrits4633]

I swear most shippers have never actually seen a member of the opposite sex also, nice pfp *B U D D Y*

[@wariodude128]

As I recall, I think they both sort of liked it. Seems like that's the one thing they've got.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

"Plus, their chemistry is like, amazing. He said 'hello' once and she said 'hello' back!! They are absolutely in love with each other!!"

[@crazyeeveelady3636]

*Peanut Butter and Jelly:* The pairing that the story constantly builds up and hints at, perhaps even the canon pairing. Kind of basic, but still cute and sweet enough to have a decently popular fan following. (Ex: Aang x Katara) *Peanut Butter and Chocolate:* A pairing that is based on two character's interactions with each other and their dynamic. Has an 85% chance of not being a canon pairing, mostly exists within fan circles and fanfiction. (Ex: Katara x Zuko) *Peanut Butter and Vanilla Wafers:* Can be a fandom-based pairing of characters based on elements such as design appeal, similar powers, ect. that is ultimately shallow and not very interesting. Or a canon pairing that the creators add in when the characters have no apparent chemistry to be found aka "Pair the spares." (Ex: Jack Harkness x Donna Noble) *Peanut Butter and Bleach:* Canon pairing that either does not make sense in canon, or the pairing in question is being written as a toxic pairing (intentional or not) Does not tend to have fans, instead often garners haters who will argue one character or another is an abuser ect ect. The creators will still believe it's a valid ship, even after writing the Bleach openly gaslighting Peanut Butter. (Ex: Bramblestar x Squirrelflight)

[@reddytoplay9188]

@adenosine 2 electric boogaloo I searched and bramblestar is real

[@aturchomicz821]

Fuckin Fascinating comment

[@cullenlatham2366]

yeah, still have no shame in thinking "zutara" had more potential than "kataang", but i am not the type to go to war over it. Aang was crushing hard (to the point of puppy love), and protag powers willed it into existence, but katara does nothing to reciprocate up until it was time for the ship's endgame. Works fine, but zuko had so many foil traits that it is hard to ignore the potential. Either way, they are all kids, and romance is not their first priority, even more so with the complications of war. "kataang" is serviceable, but bland. "zutara" is a dynamic that was under-explored, where age actually works in favor of the idea. If the gaang was a bit older with a better understanding of intimate, romantic love, would things have been different? Answer: who cares! Enjoy your favorite ships regardless of canon, as long as you are not forcing it onto others.

[@cullenlatham2366]

@@YEY0806 i wont spend long fighting it. Like i said, it does not matter in the end. Yes, she does love aang back, but it is also important to keep in mind the different types of love. Aang was already crushing long before katara had any interest romantically, and the episode that awoke her feelings very much reads as hand of the author pushing them together (fortune teller). It is an issue of reciprocation, as katara shows none until the story is nearly finished and needs to wrap up the loose end, with any previous tenative moments to push the relationship being far easier to read as close friends or a sibling-like relationship (heck, team aavatar is a very blatant found family; a sibling dynamic is not that weird). Yes, zutara had less (crossroads as the only concrete point), but it has the "opposites attract" trope going for it, which is filled with untapped chemistry. Either way, romance was one of the lowest priority subplots of the show, and it is not the reason most watched. I said it before, i was satisfied with kataang, but i could not help but wonder about the potential of zutara, especially if worldly circumstances were different (the 2 major ones being the relationship between age and understanding romance, and the necessary greater threat of a world war/genocide that pushes all other matters to the side.)

[@catsarebeans8298]

Squirrelflight my beloved 🥺 At this point she should just give up on men and become lesbian or just stop dating all together

[@shrekatemyonions]

Just remember to do what Danganronpa shippers do-actively ignore how characters feel about each other in canon, ship based on rough caricatures of what you want characters to be versus how they actually are, and react with vitriol when someone disagrees with that ship!

[@isauldron4337]

And make a Lot of characters gay for no reason

[@rainstarsworld9429]

Don't tell DR fans that there are no canon ships, at least when it comes to any characters from the games which mad props to the creators for abstaining from that, it leaves a ton of room for fans to get creative with rarepairs and stuff lol

[@finaldusk1821]

It's not like people came to enjoy the characters because of, you know, their character! Personality traits are totally interchangeable after all! I'm sure making the manipulative egotist and the optimistic heart-of-the-group be in a commited romantic relationship won't in any way undermine the reasons fans came to like those characters in the first place, or otherwise stick up a middle finger at the source material!

[@floricel_112]

Oh, let DR fans have their fun. Two thirds of their casts always end up dead by the end of the games anyway

[@The_GhostWind]

@@rainstarsworld9429 weeeell technically speaking there were some canon ships in V3, two to be exact… and they were the incestual ones… and I wish i had those MIB mind wipping devices so I can erase that from my memory.

[@michaellewis1545]

I miss the days when I honestly thought shipping was about actually warships. In my defense a lot of ships name sound like a Japanese Imperial destroy.

[@silverprimus321boi9]

lmao same man

[@anon6000]

Amusingly, Rei Ayanami and Asuka Langley Sohryu's surnames are literally that of a destroyer and two aircraft carriers.

[@peterwindhorst5775]

@@anon6000 and 90% of the cast as well named after ships, parts, etc.

[@lamarepository248]

Then you’ll love to know about kantai collection.

[@justineberlein5916]

Like ズタラ?

[@pumpkin2986]

I don’t mind shipping. It can be fun, cute and just a nice if you want to read two interesting characters get together. Ship wars are dumb. I don’t give a shit if someone else has a different pairing than me, why the fuck should I care? You do you. I don’t mind shipping (in smaller doses), but I avoid the discussions with a wide margin.

[@darkpinkgirl6684]

ukr, ship wars get toxic as fuck real fast. And if you don't like/ship a ship others like, they hate you like you had just insulted their entire being like- i'm just trying to enjoy the fandom too, chillax

[@animationdude9]

Wise decision

[@kamikazesenpai21]

Agreed. And somehow I end up in the fandoms with crazy ship wars (Ash x Misty vs Ash x Serena, Zutara vs Kataang, and Reylo vs Damerey vs Rey x Finn)

[@pumpkin2986]

@@darkpinkgirl6684 legit the wisest words for any fandom can live by: Chillax

[@sxwriter8569]

@@kamikazesenpai21 I agree. Misty's not my favorite Poke Girl and I prefer Ash x Serena, but I still like Misty and people who want her and Ash together, I got no beef with that.

[@GreenChillZone]

I cannot overstate my relief that The Owl House waited to introduce the morally conflicted, insecure, brooding, bad boy until after Lumity was certain to be inevitable. You know that if Hunter was around in season one that the Lunter vs. Lumity wars would have been devastating.

[@Nai-qk4vp]

Well, thankfully that did not happen. Also, Eda and Raine are another possible pairing. They seem to still have feelings for eachother. It could be part of a well kade character arc to perhaps see them coming closer together again, Eda learning to manage her curse better and all of that.

[@justineberlein5916]

I mean, Luz *is* canonically bi... But yeah. She and her tomato girlfriend are too cute together

[@ligtningdog6399]

That's wont stop some people from losing the freaking minds.

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

Eh. I still kind of ship Luz with Hunter. The only reason I'm not all in on it is because I'm confident Hunter is going to die.

[@animationdude9]

@@ligtningdog6399 Yeah it’s really pathetic

[@toriistorii6939]

Obsessed with the way this man says "a *show* made for *chhhildren*" Also I enjoy my ships as much as the next person, and god I have to say that it's absurd how much people will get mad over them (note: people with any decent common sense won't get upset). Hell, in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom, people will choose their favorite ship of *four* ships between *two* people. It's ridiculous lmao

[@starburst98]

The love square

[@PhoenixAgent003]

Okay but legit MariChat is the best iteration of the love square, because they’re both jist comfortable and casual with each other.

[@krishnavinesh5638]

idc if you like this dynamic of the exact same two people together i ship them with entirely different people

[@ganii1804]

@@starburst98 the love dodecahedron, the final stage of the trope

[@delusion5867]

@@ganii1804 but wait, have you heard of the love tesseract or, perhaps, the love pentahedroid or if we're getting even more fancy, a love hexadecachoron?

[@TheManFromWaco]

9:15 "I'm afraid we have to be lovers, that's the only kind of relationship emotionally stunted shippers can imagine." That line. *Chef's kiss*. Heaven forbid two characters be in a relationship not driven by a desire to rub reproductive organs together.

[@Xehanort10]

It's quite worrying that shippers think that unless you want to have sex with, date or marry someone you don't care about them in any way.

[@xrrgr]

I guess it depends. I don’t really see shipping 2 characters as meaning you aren’t capable of enjoying their relationship as friendship or as rivalry, I think it just means you would also enjoy it in a romantic context. But I see that some people can get obsessive about it.

[@pelkitrelki1751]

People often underestimate and overlook the sheer thematic and emotional power that platonic relationship can have in a story over a romantic one, a sense of brotherhood, sisterhood, or siblinghood between 2 or more characters coming from different backgrounds that learn to care about eachother in a way that not based on trying to get in their pants, which in my opinion definitely beats out a romantic endgame

[@pelkitrelki1751]

While I’m not saying that every character relationships have to end in a platonic way, in my opinion platonic relationships have a special kind of love and care that romantic doesn’t have

[@itsdripnovababy]

I made an OC who has a crush on a canon character and I only ship them platonically because I HC the canon character to not be interested in romantic relationships whatsoever, which is also why I ship the canon character with no one romantically, not even other people’s OCs.

[@teal_m_101]

Always remember that in the story, the female deuteragonist should always be shipped with the worst possible love interest. Had the bad boy antagonist been distant and/or emotionally manipulative of her? Probably. Should she care? Absolutely not! Even at the point of victory, she should never ACTUALLY defeat the bad boy antagonist because she loved him so much to leave herself vulnerable. Beating the antagonist is the hero's job! Does it completely contradict her character? Eh, whatever. Shipping points are what we need, not a cohesive story nor an actually strong and relatable female character.

[@aionicthunder]

Look, okay, it was portrayed as a horribly toxic relationship that both of them would be better if they didn’t get together. Problem is actually getting her to back up and see what exactly he does to her by calling her trash repeatedly (he does that to everybody)

[@issacalleyne8665]

Are we taking about Sakura, or someone else?

[@k9builder]

Did you just describe Twilight?

[@eduardopantoja9115]

@@k9builder I was thinking Sauske and Sakura but they probably meant Twilight

[@MagpieDynamics]

Reylo...

[@abdullahelnaas4473]

The most toxic ships I've ever seen were when degenerates shipped real people (Looking at you Markiplier x Jacksepticeye shippers)

[@scardycat4462]

To be honest, many of those people are young and probably don't know better, which I admit doesn't excuse them. Thankfully most grow up and see the error of their ways and change for the better.

[@Little1Cave]

Or Dan Avidan x Arin Hanson shippers. Especially when they explicitly stated that they are uncomfortable with it. Dan has a girlfriend and Arin has a wife for goodness sakes.

[@pikminman13]

the only time its ok is if youre just supporting the real relationship that already exists. which really is only pseudo shipping but you get the point. you simply want to see a couple be happy.

[@dymaxion3988]

Even if it’s with characters that are fictional, but used by someone to represent themselves, it crosses a line. Actors in a movie might not care that much about fanfiction of their characters, but a vtuber might not appreciate someone shipping their avatar without permission. But streamers and youtube personalities, with the huge overlap between their ‘on-air characters’ and real selves, definitely make for the grossest ship fiction.

[@pikminman13]

@@dymaxion3988 i think that comes down to vtubers portraying their character they made, while actors are portraying someone else's character. but you know, we live in a world where people draw r34 of real people, some people have no limits.

[@silentwalker434]

God this video speaks so much to me....its been almost 20 years and the fandom is STILL arguing over ships in ATLA and cannot seem to shut the f*ck up about it. If the fandom isn't arguing over ships , its arguing over Azula and a single post can create a massive debate/argument on reddit.

[@merlinlemmerdeur7417]

"Is Azula actually misunder-" *BANG* "Nooooo Azula is just a bad cha-" *BANG BANG*

[@Hypogean7]

-Zutoph-

[@GrndAdmiralThrawn]

Fan theory: Korrasami sank the series for Nickelodeon. Can’t have LGBT relationships in kids’ cartoon.

[@Hypogean7]

@@GrndAdmiralThrawn That relationship was literally 10 seconds at the end of the last episode. The series sucked long before that.

[@GrndAdmiralThrawn]

@@Hypogean7 I just mean that was why it was canceled.

[@LanieMae]

You forgot to mention the “calling another other ship you don’t like toxic” drama

[@CCLOSPINA]

Bonus points, if the ship you support is even more toxic. Example: "I hate the Naruhina, because I consider that she is too co-dependent on him and submissive, on the other hand, I support the Narusasu, where Naruto acts like an obsessive and co-dependent person on a guy who has tried to kill him"

[@nobody5333]

I really want to see more friendshipping and enemyshipping. Like these two characters who haven't met yet in the official story would make for really good friends/enemies and I want to read works where they do in fact meet.

[@CCLOSPINA]

In the MCU, I had several of these. Many were fulfilled in Infinity War, and Endgame, and others were not.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

This endless online debate is why I only support the most patrician and intellectual ships, like Crookshanks x Mrs. Norris.

[@generalcatkaa5864]

I have just discovered my new favorite (and only) ship.

[@sempersolus5511]

TARDIS x Magic School Bus forever.

[@somethingclever4297]

Those names sound familiar. What are they from.

[@nataliebell6760]

@@somethingclever4297 Crookshanks & Mrs. Norris are cats from Harry Potter.

[@valhatan3907]

@@nataliebell6760 dammit and I thought it was something else

[@kieranmahon4382]

7:59 "Hinata and Sakura both tragically died in a 'who is the most useless' contest". That's great. I love it. It's just so...I don't know. Exactly the kind of thing someone in real life would write in a fanfiction. 😂

[@pinkmockingjay88]

Sakura is not useless tho

[@TheDiscoGenre]

@@pinkmockingjay88 Nice cope

[@pinkmockingjay88]

@@TheDiscoGenre Its just facts. There wouldn't be Boruto without her

[@lewisdelamare2831]

@@pinkmockingjay88 And that's a good thing?

[@pinkmockingjay88]

@@lewisdelamare2831 Yeah. Ppl gotta wake up and realize that their precious Mc and loads of characters would be dead if it wasnt for her but too bad they're still in the "Sakura is useless " phase

[@carbodude5414]

The worst kind of shipping you can do is setting up multiple scenes of two characters having implied romantic interest towards each other only to set them up with completely different characters that they've barely had any screen time with at the last minute **glares at Digimon 02**

[@CCLOSPINA]

The ending of Harry Potter with many secondary characters.

[@kirstenpaff8946]

Hmm, someone is a traumatized veteran of the great Avatar Shipping War. That being said, shipping can be a lot of fun, as long as you keep the following ground rules in mind: 1. Don't be a jerk to others if you disagree with their ships. You can have endless nerdy debates about the ships, but attacking someone over their preferred ship is just rude. 2. The best way to disagree with a creator's shipping decision is to make good fanfiction/fan art show casing why your ship is compelling, not attacking the creator and writing long "think" pieces about how the creator is the worst. 3. Don't ship real people. It's creepy. Real people start and end romantic relationships for many reasons, most of which you are not privy to. Their lives are not yours to play make belief with.

[@glanni]

I agree to these points. I like shipping, I don't do it often because characters need to have something special to really get to me (and I don't have the best fantasy to fill in the gaps tbh), but it's fun to see as long as it's in a friendly and level-headed manner. It could be just like any other hobby. Unfortunately I think people just get actually super hormonal over ships and that's why they become so angry. Projection is one hell of a drug, and so is romance. Edit: I do have a few ships that I like a lot though, don't get me wrong.

[@Newfiecat]

Excellent rules! Yes!

[@emblemblade9245]

“Don’t ship real people” Marriage rates drop to 0%!

[@glanni]

@@emblemblade9245 Ok, how about "Don't ship real people unless you're one of the parties involved"? And probably "*and when the other party consents" (depending on whether 'shipping' means just having a crush or actually trying to be with them).

[@AshdorCrush9000]

What about cursed ships? There's bound to be Blood-Related Person x Blood-Related Person sh*t going SOMEWHERE. That's not even considering the "gray area" ships where their relationship(family-wise) is unclear or up to interpretation. I'm looking at YOU, Undertale fandom. (I'm sad I ship a ship that's in the gray area. Don't ask what it is.)

[@morganmiller41]

Also the sub-side of shipping, The Best Girl Wars. There's usually a big one every year. Do the fans care about the dude they're shipping her with? HELL NO he could be switched out with a houseplant. What matters is their best girl win this wooden board of a man.

[@somethingclever4297]

@@CCLOSPINA other fan:it's simple. Main character is just generic enough that we can easily project onto him.

[@bepisthescienceman4202]

And if best girl gets with another girl they'll just ignorince the love interest out of existence

[@federationprime]

Some of those conflicts have raged since the 90s, with no sign of slowing down or coming close to stopping. And I have participated.

[@s3studios597]

Or in other words literally the basis of like 90% of harem anime/manga/LNs/VNs. Like quite literally to the point of many VNs literally having nameless/faceless protagonists who barely even speak.

[@PeruvianPotato]

I can only name like 2 harem anime where people actually want the guy to score w the best girl

[@PantherCat64]

I've only had one piece of fiction where I was like: "I want these two together!" and normally don't care what couples get together. But now I see how weird the crazier side of shipping can get and feel like I've dodge a bullet. Or rather prevent myself from making myself the bullet. Also the sponsorship wars narrative is now getting really entertaining.

[@armageddongirl612]

could i ask what that one piece of fiction was and what the pairing was?

[@PantherCat64]

@@armageddongirl612 Aperently all it took is a fictional rabbit and fox to have an ambigous range from best friends to romantic interest by the end for me to squeal hoping that one end of the spectrum is true. I'll leave it at that for now.

[@armageddongirl612]

@@PantherCat64 oh no

[@PantherCat64]

@@armageddongirl612 yes... fear me. I've survived the furry onslaught and back again and came back with only one emotional scar. My powers are unmatched to many. I'm not the most powerful, but like... somewhere top 20? either way, fear me!

[@Username456-b4p]

There are plenty of nice, emotionally mature "shippers". It's simply a way to enjoy media. Don't let the loud minority keep you from enjoying stuff:)

[@solus1247]

Speaking of platonic relationships! I will await the day that JP does a video on the nearly omnipresent trope... the Power of Friendship, or fictional friendships in general. I just love it when the protagonist relies on the power of friendship so much, that their friends are reduced to being mere batteries meant to power the protagonist. Bonus points if the protagonist's friends have absolutely no life of their own outside of the protagonist and has to rely on the protagonist to solve all their personal issues. God forbid that a character is independent and tries to solve things on their own, rather than constantly relying on others. If a character DARES to solve a problem(especially a personal problem) on their own instead of being entirely dependent on the aid of others, have them fail miserably at it until the protagonist(or other characters) conveniently show up to help them through it. While doing this, be sure to beat the audience over the head about how good friends are and how you should always rely on them to get through things Edit: Let's not forget characters who lack friends and are thus incapable of abusi- I mean using the power of friendship. It is imperative that you always make them tragic jerk loners... because we all know that people lacking friends are massive jerks who are obviously suffering from some tragic backstory that you must resolve. The protagonist(or characters) must go out of their way to befriend them, no matter how much the loner treats them with scorn and rejects their friendship.

[@rbgerald2469]

So is Sofia The First that bad?

[@Gchildwarrior]

I came up with a manga script about a superhero who actually has the Power of Friendship as a flashy ability. However, he is secretly a manipulative jerk who likes to show it off

[@savvy3tv632]

And let’s not forget that if you have a toxic friend, you MUST stay with them because the power of friendship always wins, even if you feel horrible about yourself when you are with them. I swear, if children’s media showed the main character cutting out a toxic person in their life without it being a “oh that person is just misunderstood.” Or “oh it’s your fault your getting abused because you weren’t a good friend.” I would be in a much better place and would have cut out toxic people sooner.

[@laststrike4411]

Eh.

[@xuantungphung5363]

@@solus1247 You should check out Kamome Tsurubami from Medaka Box then, he is the type of guy who supports all those he considers friends, yet also enjoys being a loner and do his own things.

[@potatoheadpokemario1931]

Now I actually want a book called "the platonic crime solving duo... who are blood related"

[@supermysterious66]

And they spend the whole first book to finally realize that they are blood related. (And then in the final book, it's revealed that they are not in fact related... and then an orgy breaks loose, to appease the shippers...)

[@potatoheadpokemario1931]

@@supermysterious66 but I don't want the last part, but the first book having them find out they're blood related is a good plot

[@noukan42]

Sound like a Light Nivel title lol

[@FreshZCORD]

yeah thats not gonna stop them...

[@purplecobra52]

On it.

[@wireseatsgarlic]

Jokes aside tho, I've seen atleast 2 times where the reveal of characters being related absolutely destroyed shippers and it was so satisfying because both times I hated the ships

[@TheCoolCryptid]

What ships and fandom?

[@welwitschia3756]

​@@TheCoolCryptidI guess we'll never know

[@allisonstarr6074]

@@welwitschia3756Maybe they were a Han x Leía shipper?

[@CCLOSPINA]

Examples I can think of are Leia, and a certain duck girl who turned out to be a clone.

[@allisonstarr6074]

@@CCLOSPINA oh yeah. I’m glad I never shipped her with anyone haha

[@ladywalda5838]

"If it exists there's porn for it" the same goes for ships.

[@PeruvianPotato]

Not really, I still haven't found the Starscream x Lightning McQueen one

[@machinedramon3532]

@@PeruvianPotato So write it yourself. Sounds like fun, and a good writing exercise.

[@PeruvianPotato]

@@machinedramon3532 Unfortunately, I'm not a masochist and I want to keep my sanity so you'll have to ask someone else

[@hi.241]

@@PeruvianPotato then if in right, thats where rule 35 comes in "if no porn is found at the moment, it will be made"

[@CCLOSPINA]

Even for Sauron.

[@enby_sims_lover109]

As an avid shipper I get why it has the reputation it does, for every comunity of emotionally mature teens and adults sharing a love of the media, its characters, and the world building there's a smaller but so much louder group of children (or worse emotionally stunted adults) causing problems. I don't think shipping really the problem, but a symtom of the larger issue of fandom toxicity. I might love my ships, but I think that I speak for a lot of emotionally mature fans when I say I don't care about them being cannon or not. My enjoyment of a ship is a repersentation of my love for the media, and I have fanfics to cater to my ships, I just want a good story from the sorce material.

[@pumpkin2986]

exactly this. Coming from the dsmp fandom, which has virtually no shipping, you don’t need romance for people to get toxic about character dynamics. It’s a fandom problem

[@silverprimus321boi9]

same, and funnily enough, the more toxic shippers of a community don't actually like what they're digesting. In other words, they love books/movies/animes/shows not for what they are, but more for what they think it should be. And I think that's not what liking something means,

[@ugan2]

Exactly. Been apart of several fandoms and definitely love my ships, and I've seen plenty of people be mature about why they like/don't like certain ships. Sad thing is the toxic ones drive people from the actual source material. I'm a huge fan of Hetalia, and everyone fan knows how bad the shippers got to the point where some people didn't want to give it a chance. Sad too because it seemed like that fandom grew some self-awareness and calmed down but the damage has been done Heck, also a Naruto fan, and I have a few rare ships and also have written and posted fanfic with them. Nothing beats being told to end myself because of my work.

[@Gamermario-lb3rq]

Thank you for this comment. I should really remember this whenever I have to explain to someone how I am a low-key shipper. Seriously there is no reason to be toxic about something as inconsequential as shipping.

[@sxwriter8569]

Yeah enby, as long as you're being a good person, I got no issue with shippers.

[@d.j.mulcahy1657]

Early on when writing my book, I originally intended the two main characters to end up in a romantic relationship with each other because I thought it would work. However, years later, when I revisited it, I decided to keep them simply as friends and to not really focus on romance that much.

[@vernyulkisasszony4708]

Reminds me of a story I wrote in high-school, I wanted the main character to be originally straight and than having his wife and child killed to add his tragic back-story, but he ended up being aroace, and it was actually a really important part of his character.

[@builder5008]

Shipping at this point has become where if two characters interact just once they are in love. Even if both of hate each other to death, even if both sides are abusive or manipulative or even if they are never seen again THEY ARE IN LOVE NO EXCEPTIONS!

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

And then there are the people who ship characters who have literally never met…

[@100lovenana]

@@tsifirakiehl4250 But, surprisingly enough, (in my experience) those who ship characters who never met are actually less toxic than the other shippers. I might be wrong, since I'm not in every single fandom in existence to say that's always the case, but shippers of two characters who haven't interacted in canon tend to be calm or decent at the very least, and I haven't seen them attacking other people for it. Then again, the fandoms I get into are small compared to the giants out there...

[@RooftopRose079]

Two characters say hi to each other. OMG! They're in love! Two characters share a conversation about a common interest. OMG! They're in love! One character literally punches the other in the face and insults them. OMG! They're in love! One has distant creative potential for romance, one has a general foundation potential for romance and one is a warning that this is not healthy.

[@Justin-ul7fh]

@@RooftopRose079 One character burns down another character's orphanage and pissed on their grave. OMG THEY'RE IN LOVE!

[@syeina]

Shipping was always like this actually.

[@davidci]

Never forget the time a Steven Universe fan-artist was given cookies with needles that pierced their tongue over a goddamn ship

[@bepisthescienceman4202]

It was undertale fan artist

[@TheHydrakeHydra]

Oh jeez. When did that happen??

[@messiyer13]

@@TheHydrakeHydraThere was an artist who either drew Soriel (Sans the funny bone man shipped with the former queen of the underground) or Frans (funny bone man shipped with a literal child) who went to a convention and got a cookie with needles in it from someone who hated the ship. Had to go to the hospital, I think

[@TheHydrakeHydra]

@@messiyer13 I did find out about, but thanks anyways and… damn.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

To be honest, it's an Undertale artist who did it.

[@shinekitten7669]

also remember that every character must end up in a romantic relationship, no exceptions! if a character is aromantic and completely uninterested in romance, either completely ignore that or say that the character you ship them with is "the one" who "fixed" them by "teaching them how to love!"

[@sxwriter8569]

As a casual shipper and someone who wants to write romantic subplots, my tips as a fan/aspiring writer is simple. 1) Be the better person. I prefer to ship what the author wants or implies, and some don't. As long as I'm not being a dick to them and they're not being an a-hole to me, we good. (i.e., My Hero Academia: I like Izuku/Ochako & KiriMina, my friend like Kiri/Baku, and all we do is just wonder what the author will do with them next, not fight each other). 2) Let the protagonist and love interest interact. Even if they're boring, just letting them interact gives them something to do, anything to talk about, or gets the writer with little experience (like this idiot truly) flesh them out a bit more 3) Romance between underaged characters. Don't go beyond first base, something most kids shows do right better than content made for "teenagers." Literally let them do anything else. 4) Pivoting to another romance can work. Just allow the relationship to have it's chance, and if the characters do break up, have it make sense while also just leaving them open for future arcs and plot points. 5) LGBT pairings shouldn't be hard. Don't kill them off, let them be characters, and just set up their romance. I haven't seen the 100 (though I heard part of what happened was because Lexa was her name's actor was juggling a lot) though I know that hurt people badly. Granted if you're not comfortable with doing it, don't, but I tried it once despite being straight and it's one of the best thing I've enjoyed writing. 6) Don't send death threats: authors are people and even shows I know people dislike have "toxic shippers" and "passionate critics" that just want to be dicks because the writer/author did something that pissed them off. There's a good way to handle criticism, go for it. 7) Don't lump all shippers together either: Some 16 year old watching an episode of a show and thinking two characters they like would be a cute couple shouldn't be lumped up with some douchebag on the internet that has less emotional maturity than them. 8) Yeah, not every story needs a romance. I want to write platonic and romantic and I enjoy stories with both or just one. 9) Certain tropes like enemies to lovers needs to be handled with care since done...divisively, it could lead to toxic relationships on par . The only example I've seen done well is Lyrical Nanoha and the only ones I've heard that were done well outside of books are She-Ra's reboot but even that has detractors. I'd argue doing something like the Avatar writers considering Zuko x Katara (even if you can argue someone dating someone ex-colonizer would be bad but there's the counter argument Zuko isn't like that anymore and was redeemed, so there's that) 10) Treat love interests well. Try to remember at the end of the day, it's fiction, and never use that love for fiction to bring harm to others.

[@AureliusLaurentius1099]

You should do actual shipping wars or stories involving naval warfare or anything nautical

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Ships only exist for two things: Fishing and piracy. That's all you need to know about naval vessels in fiction.

[@Luissv72]

@@DonVigaDeFierro i half expected the title to be bait and actually be that

[@maxanderson3733]

This is a story I would watch

[@dodgydodo3060]

That would have worked well for a april fools episode

[@ipadair7345]

What one can dow with naval vessels is geuinely so interesting. So few stories are about the logistics of shipping. Shipping is the backbone of any thallasocracy.

[@clarehidalgo]

The Studio Staff having a shipping war happened in Digimon 02, it got so bad that they randomly picked 2 ships to become canon out of a hat. One I was meh about and the other I hated because Sora and Matt only talk to each other like 4 times alone without Tai and had no chemistry. 6 year old me was hoping Sora and Tai would get together because they played off each other well

[@somethingclever4297]

Tai and who?

[@Santoryu90]

I leaned more into Tai x Sora and still kinda find Matt x Sora questionable but I know there are people to this day that are still very salty about it.

[@vikorovstock2432]

“They picked who hooks up with who randomly” makes so much sense. Even as a kid I knew Yolei and ken was a weird pair.

[@writenowdream3882]

I heard Tai ends up with Izzy?? Unsure if true, I thought Izzy and Mimi were a couple.

[@HIPEOPLE1887]

Don’t forget TK and Kari

[@jr03160]

Regular show did Everything wrong with shipping wars. It forced a romance between Mordecai and CJ, caused a brutal love triangle that pushed CJ out, shouted out that Mordecai and Maragret are just gonna be friends, and introduced Mordecais wife in the final five minutes

[@sirkillalot9892]

I think the ending was more damage control. Both initial ships were established to have their problems. So either Mordecai had to become single or he found his love interest much later. I don't mind that they kept Steph the Batgirl vague. It has a message about how some people take longer to figure things out, rather than the heat of action. Like how everyone else besides Skips (who isn't into that) got their couple locked at just the finale. But it was really annoying how many episodes were dedicated to the love feud and turned things into the Mordecai show.

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

Honestly, I feel that makes it more realistic. In real life, many people have a highschool sweetheart, and while some eventually marry their highschool sweetheart, others don't, and instead date many different people as they grow up, until they finally find The One, which is the one they marry. So Mordecai's wife being someone we've never seen before is actually pretty realistic.

[@cardescomedioses3674]

i love how JP actually builds up a fun story for the ads, thus subverting the trope of just throwing the sponsors as a chore, tbh i could easily watch only the ads for how hilarious the story Is, you aré great JP, never change for bad, we all trust you

[@Galimeer5]

"Ah crap, I set him up for a smooth segway" Absolutely brilliant line

[@canaisyoung3601]

It's "segue" if you mean a connection between two events. #learntospell

[@itsdripnovababy]

@@canaisyoung3601 wait, IT IS?!

[@sarahvunkannon7336]

Fictional characters might not be real, but they all began as ideas. Those ideas very much are real. I believe that when shippers argue about who should have ended up with who, what they are really doing is arguing over different versions of what romantic love should be. The characters are just pieces you can move around for demonstration purposes. The ATLA shipping wars, for example, remind me of the 3 different love styles. Eros is passionate love of the sort that gets written about in songs and plays, full of emotional ups and downs and lots of change. Ludus is playful - love is fun! It doesn't have to be so serious where you must meet your soulmate and be with them forever and ever. Romance can just feel nice. And Storge is stability: your partner should be your refuge when times are hard, the one who always has your back, who you can trust with anything. When I hear shippers argue that Katara should have ended up with Aang, it sounds like this: "He's always had her back! He's been on her side since the first episode! They support each other no matter what!" And what I hear about Zuko is, "She has CHEMISTRY with him! He took a lightning bolt to the heart for her! They went on a whole quest where she hated him at first but then they reconciled!" I don't think those shippers, at least not the ones who have these exact arguments, are really arguing about fictional characters. They're arguing about different love styles. It's Eros vs. Storge, not Zutara vs. Kataang. I'm sure there are shippers who are way too invested in the emotional lives of fictional characters (see: that article I saw one time listing which anime characters they thought Zuko would go well with based on 'what he wants in a woman'), but if hordes and hordes of shippers support the same two ships and get so passionate about it that you can call the result a "shipping war," then I think there's something deeper going on. It's not always frivolous.

[@supermysterious66]

I think you've got a idea that hits deeper at some of what may be lingering under the surface. I think that there is also the issue of people seeing themselves in a character, and then projecting that into "what would be the best ship for that character." Could also just be people having strong para-social relationships with certain characters, and thus being too invested in what happens to their "friend" (the fictional character).

[@sarahvunkannon7336]

@@supermysterious66 Yes, of course! My idea kind of implied that, now that I think about it. If that's the kind of romantic relationship you would prefer for yourself, and you project yourself onto that character, then you would end up thinking that that kind of romance is also what THEY would prefer. I must offer a disclaimer: I have no understanding of the idea that people can actually want their ships to be canon. I can try to imagine wanting that, but I fail. Nothing another person could create can possibly live up to my standards; I would guaranteedly end up disappointed that they didn't do it right because they're not me and don't have my exact preferences, and I know I would be disappointed this way. So everything I say is automatically from the viewpoint of shipping as a hypothetical exercise.

[@Bruticus87]

@@sarahvunkannon7336 I think that is also why people have "types" when it comes to ships as they gravitate towards relationships that make sense to them and follow similar themes. And like you they are never satisfied with the way most writers develop these relationships as it never meets the idea they had. Though to be fair MOST fiction writers are horrible at writing stable relationships. The side friendships or interactions are a lot more enticing narrative wise. I will say he missed that aspect on why people ship completely. Not everyone wants to be the characters they ship. Personally I like most non canon ships because they offer more opportunities to explore the characters through the lens of a romance. I have never imagine myself in place of either character ever, not even as a young child.

[@sarahvunkannon7336]

@ㄉㄎㄉ • ꨆꨟꨮꩆ ꨣꨰꨕ These are the terms (and definitions) I remembered learning in a class a couple years ago, and I googled "3 love styles" to make sure I was still referencing actual information that exists. The search results also use these terms. Thanks for explaining the etymology of the words! Linguistic stuff is really cool.

[@sirkillalot9892]

I remember reading an article about types of relationships about why somebody is fine with the canon ships and why another would enjoy Zutara instead. Now I found out the right terminology. I tend to lead towards Storge, because I value bonding, trust and loyalty in a longterm relationship. So I end up rooting for the 'childhood romance' option usually, although not all the time. Like it must not be toxic, there might be underlying issues if they didn't get together immediately or how another option offered more character development. I guess you could say Storge is the ideal foundation with a dash of Eros spice.

[@anitanielsen1061]

Well, THIS is one hell of a disaster-zone you picked!

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

A good choice for making sure to infuriate absolutely everyone is to bait your most dedicated fandom relentlessly, and then mock them for their investment by sending one of the characters to Turbo-Hell, which is like Hell but way, way worse.

[@emblemblade9245]

I prefer Super Hell, but I respect your allegiances!

[@quirinoguy8665]

Oh wow hahaha, this is just like Attack on Titan...

[@jakobrenner2230]

@@quirinoguy8665 Lmao I was gonna say the same thing.

[@strangevol5264]

this is about Destiel isn't it

[@allisonstarr6074]

@@strangevol5264I’ve seen about half an hour total of Supernatural and I bet it is!

[@mimnimpetite8681]

I will say though, that it is okay to write fanfiction that's bad or entirely fan-service. It's fanfiction, it doesn't always have to be an exercise is furthering your creative sights. Sometimes something fluffy and nonsensical is just what you need after a bad a day...

[@thejay8963]

That's alright. I guess the real problem is the toxic dogma of "I am correct and no one else can be!"

[@clarenceandgennymcneil251]

❤

[@clarenceandgennymcneil251]

I think we forget at the end of the day, fanfics and fandoms are about fun

[@thejay8963]

@@mimnimpetite8681 I'll admit, it's fun to see people seriously debating between AppleDash and Rarijack.

[@SpaceMonkeyBoi]

The most beautiful form of shipping is when the soulless corporation decides to give in to the demands of deranged teenagers and make the girl magically fall in love with the man who tried to kill her the whole time. (I'm looking at you, Reylo shippers...)

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

I heard that some of the Reylo fans actually wanted Adam Driver & Daisy Ridley to get together IRL. To the point of wanting them to break up Adam's marriage. I know its just words on the internet but come on, people! What is wrong with you?

[@teal_m_101]

Ewww.

[@cameronspencer9619]

Nope… I realized that it would inevitably end up that way during _The Last Jedi_ when I realized-they were obsessed with each other. And of course, in this world, the only natural next step from obsession is romance. 😒 During _Force Awakens,_ I thought Rey/Finn was nice, and then they turned Finn into a useless character and made it clear it wouldn’t happen. So now, the only ship I have is Han/Leia.

[@ーテイル]

@@cameronspencer9619 What a nice thing from Disney that their white female character shows interest into a poc character just so said poc character turns into a bland misrepresentation of what it used to be and then here he comes the rich, white, buffed dude to save the ship from sinking.

[@atheist2025]

I can one up that. Odd1sout and Jaden animations

[@animationdude9]

Stuff like this is why I’m always internally debating with myself whether or not I should have romance in my stories or just *cut* that shit out like a _fucking cancer._ Like, what is wrong with Platonic relationships?

[@starmaker75]

Yeah I mean it not like there stuff like sibling love, family love, brother in arms, or people having different sexuality, etc.

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

they don't make big bucks with the hs/college-girl audience. Platonic relationships don't make money or garner interest. There's a lot of closet horny, which the teasing is really good at exploiting. Saying that, it feels like it's gotten better most recently... ish? Among some communities.

[@lordsinister707]

@@pallingtontheshrike6374 one piece did incredibly well with no ships or Romance. I mean Sanji instant attraction to cute girls is more for comedic relief

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

@@lordsinister707 one piece isn't targeted towards hs/college girls, it's targeted towards bois, it being a battle shounen. Stuff targeted for boys and to a degree older dudes will tend to have more of these gags over actual subplots. I mean, Pokemon, anyone?

[@meredithsmakings3068]

Platonic relationships make me feel more than romantic ones tbh

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

Shipping war is fun, it's very entertaining to watch a fandom implode. Also it's very necessary to map out the characters relationship(especially main characters) for both character development, dynamic & avoid drag the plot out due to unnecessary drama, shipping war maybe fun to watch(for an outsider) but is very much damage your writing credibility. For example: Voltron team were marketing & selling merchandise for ships they didn't knew were going to be canon or not with piss off people when some ships turn out to be not

[@somethingclever4297]

They didn't Know*

[@atheist2025]

@Mary Moon I once got in an argument about sonics super form (super sonic) having a time limit when I just looked it up the thing that came up said “it has no time limit” but when I clicked on the article it said super sonic has a time limit, some even specified that it takes 1 ring per 2 seconds. When I linked them to this article they just didn’t respond.

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

@Mary Moon It's even funnier when fans perform insane mental gymnastic to praise the creator for out of nowhere ships that make no sense just because it's their ships. Like Korrasami or Reylo _ Reylo: Don't you see the($3xu@l) tension when they were trying to thrust long, hot, cylindrical objects into each other? _ Korrasami: + The creator were so smart by 1st showing they were both miserable dating Mako to show those relationship weren't right & they should date each other. No, the creators didn't know there would be more seasons so Mako-Korra were endgame; also Korra wasn't uncomfortable around just Mako, she was being uncomfortable around everyone (and make them just as uncomfortable as her, because all of her character development from season 1 was reset to become even bitchier in the 2nd season than the 1st ) beside Unalaq who was stroking her ego as hard as Korrasami shipper stroking the creators(so by that logic he should have end up with her); they even brought back the dreaded love triangle(due to amnesia) as if SS2 didn't have enough plots & sub-plots + The actual ship was so compelling. No, they spend the entire show as friends then suddenly become a couple at the end. They didn't show the actual relationship. -> Korrasami was less interesting than Makorra because at least the later was explored from beginning to end

[@smort123]

What giga chads lol

[@M3rtyville]

yes

[@lukevankleef4245]

My favourite trope is when two characters are already in a relationship at the very beginning of the story. Mostly because it does away with all that 'will they, wont they' crap that's a blight on media.

[@whatismyadjectiveiconfused]

I am also like that because I don't like the drama of "will they, won't they" usually resulted 😂

[@starburst98]

The multi writer cross purpose thing was parts of steven universe, one of the writers very clearly liked the idea of peridot and lapis being together, but everyone else basically ignored it so it was really weird how some episodes have them acting like they were already married while others they are just roommates.

[@slimeheadgamer3569]

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. Aside from the "getting over hatred of each other" segment of the storyline, I never really think the show leaned towards a romantic subtext - I always took it as a close platonic one (The scene of them just goofing around with instruments in the barn is my favorite example of this).

[@gabrielciambelli6861]

And here I was thinking this episode was going to be about logistics, trade, and the grueling realities of pre-modern sea travel in stories. What a fool I was.

[@Multi-Tech]

*Two characters say hello to one another* Fan: "I ship it!"

[@justintime3656]

thery do not have to talk, thery dont even have to be in te same univers to be a ship. trust me

[@darkpinkgirl6684]

damn bro, didn't have to call out the MHA fandom like that

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

more like: *two characters see each other* Turbofan: "I SHIP IT!!!!"

[@justintime3656]

@@darkpinkgirl6684 If it were only one fandom

[@wakanakamulan2152]

*Two characters exist in the same proximity as each other* Fan: “OMG I SHIP IT, THEY ARE MY INNOCENT LITTLE SOFT UWU BABIES!!!”

[@JonathonSwinney2814]

*JP reveals his MTG knowledge by accident* Me: Oh, well played, clever one.

[@UncleJrueForTue]

Not a basic forest or Island either. Necromancer JP?

[@dr.fiction7]

@@UncleJrueForTue hey, don't diss the zombies man. I'v got a buddy who, if the cards are in his favor, can kill me by turn 8 with his op as hell Zombie deck. Some of those resurrection spells he has are insane.

[@Ag3nt0fCha0s]

MTG? metal Twisted G?

[@JarNO_WAY]

JP at 4:03 using all of his willpower to write "idiot" instead of "baka"

[@ciphergacha9100]

So strong

[@emilyrln]

Set everyone's expectations sky-high, then set them on fire. Got it.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Woah, dude!! You mean these two mortal enemies, who hated each other since the first time they met, whose only interactions have been insults and punches, who despise everything that the other represents, and who have actively tried to fucking murder each other mutiple times, are not allowed to BANG???

[@thelegostarwarsf7916]

The last thing shippers will do is use their brain. I'm convinced shippers have 0 braincells.

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

Gay as hell to have a sworn rival

[@bigmouselittlemouse2001]

You just described catra and adora and Raya and Namaari

[@s3studios597]

This is an actual thing in Durarararararararara. Like in the actual series. You got two guys who absolutely hate each other and regularly try to kill each other and one of the female characters shipping them. I think it was an OVA, but one episode has Shizuo and Izaya fighting all over the city and the girl was narrating it like a sex scene.

[@DoctorSpacebar]

They are, in fact! Guns make quite the loud *bang* when fired, you know. No guns in the setting? Lightning magic is an excellent substitute.

[@paula194]

The only way the TWA Expanded universe could get even funnier is if he did a raid shadow legends sponsorship to power up Greed, though I suspect even the in-character bad author wouldn't stoop that low..

[@finaldusk1821]

Oh, that's just what Greed wants you to think! Then, he WILL stoop that low and totally fool us all! Who would predict that this extremely selfish being driven only by a lust for money, would go for the lowest hanging fruit with a Raid Shadow Legends sponsership!? It'll be the best plot twist ever and no one will see it coming! Genuis!

[@paula194]

@@finaldusk1821 Ultimately I think it's unlikely JP would take a Raid show legends sponsorship because they don't need it, and I imagine no one does one of those because they actually like them, they do them because those things pay 4 figures minimum and people need money. JP gets pretty steady sponsorships though, and likely could do without *that* on his channel. But saying this is a lot less succinct than my previous comment, so I went with that.

[@atarishooter1339]

Always when I’m about to miss you, you come out with a new episode! Love it!

[@Falcon-doing-doodles]

The level of pettiness and barely restrained rage in this video is sheer perfection.

[@danielhartrick3022]

Well, I might me a day late to the party, but I still want to say what we are all thinking: this is the video that we need in 2022. In a world where fandom culture and the internet has revolutionized entertainment and media, we needed this satirical video to poke fun and the phenomenon that is "shipping" for the sake of everyone's sanity.

[@kieranmahon4382]

8:11 Her name is Mai, not Mia, but otherwise yeah that is lowkey the fanfic How I Became Yours. And it was done via a FRUIT, of all things!

[@AmericanBrit9834]

Good god

[@AegixDrakan]

I-wha-no you can't be-...I...I need a drink. A very *TALL* alcoholic drink. 💀

[@sirkillalot9892]

We are survivors

[@akl2k7]

The Abortion Orange... And the comic ends with Katara bloodbending Mai to death. It's telling when the most popular characters in the story were the villains. At least the dramatic readings are hilarious, along with some of the terrible dialogue (Zuko being called a chard monster)

[@sirkillalot9892]

@@akl2k7 or the photoshop panda and turtledecks. or turning Azula into Yue. Sho wasn't too bad. Probably because he was an OC trying to 'right the wrong'. And actually effective

[@blade5521]

Before shipping*, ask yourself: 1. Is openly shipping this going to harm real people? If yes, don't ship or ship quietly and responsibly. If not, who cares? Have fun and tag properly so that people can filter out the things they don't want to see. *Related to shipping as a fan, not as a creator (Edit to add clarification)

[@ineednochannelyoutube2651]

Also, If anyone disagrees with you, it’s just a ship no point In arguing.

[@blade5521]

​@@ineednochannelyoutube2651 Yup. If you hate a ship, block/filter out the tag. If you run into it anyways, ignore it and move on. Your yuck is someone's yum and all that.

[@prospitdreamer]

This

[@CH-or4fe]

I've always loved shipping. It's one of my favourite things about being in fandoms. I vaguely remember fighting other kids back in the day (oh, the anti-ship groups, listing all the reasons a ship was bad and toxic and wouldn't work out) and can only look back shaking my head. I'm honestly glad that Twitter and certain other sites weren't a thing back when I was active and stupid about it. That said, I never went out of my way to stalk whoever shipped (or didn't ship) what I did and I also never creeped on real people because I was convinced they were secretly lovers. These days I don't give a damn about what shippers write about fictional people who were and aren't and will never be real but I am more hesitant about RPF. Like, sure, what you're writing is fiction but if there's a person out there you're trying to depict and they go "please don't" it gets weird. Yes, weirder than killing off Hinata and Sakura for entirely fictional people smashing.

[@dekuisagreatmaincharacter]

I think people who say “I like shipping,” kinda get a bad rep by default. I also really like shipping, probably because I’m a hopeless romantic and an introvert who can’t get a date, but I’m always hesitant to say that to anyone because I’m afraid people will put me in the same box as people who start petty fights over which ship should be canon and which ship makes no sense.

[@CH-or4fe]

@@dekuisagreatmaincharacter People getting angry over shipping sometimes forget that nothing in the work they are reading or watching is real. I've certainly met people who believe that liking anything romantic is silly and somehow worse than enjoying other parts of fiction - and know what? They're being rude. People can make fun of the romance genre all they want but it's popular. And for a reason. And honestly it doesn't matter for what reason you like something - you like spending your time with it and that's fine. The only time people should be criticized is when they harass a real person over fiction. End of story.

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

it gets kinda finnicky for me because there are legitimately ships that are hopelessly idealistic [and in realistic circumstances would be toxic as all hell] I mean, not like you can't ship those, but if you're my friend I may end up judging accordingly, right?

[@CH-or4fe]

@@pallingtontheshrike6374 I used to think the same way but as I get older I just notice that I care less and less. Especially when I ended up liking ships that would make some people yell "no!" Some like ships despite how "toxic" they are, some like them BECAUSE they are toxic. You don't have to like those ships. I'd still suggest to not assume that most people can't tell fiction and reality apart. Unless one's the type to hate every single character who murders people in fiction and believes their fans must cheer for real life murderers.

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

@@CH-or4fe my baseline is basically 'why' if the character is a horrible 'person' and you're wishing misfortune on them, understandable, have a nice day if the characters are good but definitely don't mesh together [obvious difference in habit, preference and priority], and you don't have any interaction you can point to to back it up, I will judge, because that's a 'how you think' or 'how you don't think' problem. If you ship real life people, I may judge. For the latter half, define 'hate every single character who murders people.' Like, what do you mean by murder? what do you mean by hate? Is it wanton murder of innocents for no good reason but 'it's fun lmao' or is it 'this is a means to an end' or is it 'i'mma do this for the sake of the wooorolrdldr' [clearly bricked in the head] I don't like murderers, even if they're fictional, but I can recognize that some are well written or written to be disliked or both.

[@colleenmccool7548]

JP really telling on himself (and his age) by calling shipping "serious business." I too was on the internet in the mid-2000s.

[@Alexis-vv5bk]

I LIVE for the Voltron slander. This entire video was a VLD bingo sheet and it feels good.

[@ProjectMathesar]

The end of the Naruto manga was basically the author snapping his fingers and every character marrying each other and having kids just to set up a new series. Well done.

[@autobotstarscream765]

The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

[@Shrek_es_mi_pastor]

Naruto and Hinata just feels so random

[@coca_0146]

and most pairing came out of nowhere

[@lightningpenguin8937]

@@Shrek_es_mi_pastor Not really. It was always going to be Hinata or Sakura. It just was never ever earned. Naruto(the anime at least) was terrible with romance. I mean Sakura was hit so hard with the bad romance stuff, she gained the reputation of useless.

[@rosiem.532]

God I loved that Season 2 Finale to the Sponsorship Wars, literally can't wait for Season 3 lmao

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

9:07 "Besides, fanfic writers are excused from creatively pushing their boundaries and should be free to wallow in their indulgence." This advice is supposed to be terrible, but I kind of agree. I mean, if nobody's paying you to write the story, you've got to make it worth your while somehow. Be as indulgent as you want! If you want it to be "good", well, that's different.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

JP is truly the Lovechild of Hbomberguy and Critical Drinker. Oh so different, oh so similar.

[@levthemapperxd]

@@loturzelrestaurantthe critical drinker is shit though so

[@levthemapperxd]

@@loturzelrestaurant Why does that matter? It’s the internet. Not to mention that my point still stands.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@levthemapperxd Why would it not matter? Everywhere? Its the Internet.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@levthemapperxd Mistakes are mistakes. Wrong is Wrong and Right is Right.

[@Xehanort10]

The most frustrating thing about shippers is their inability to comprehend any story where the main focus isn't "2 or more people have sex." They delude themselves that romantic subplots in a non romance film, book, show, game and so on are what it's really about when it isn't. According to them not caring who's dating, sleeping with or married to who makes you a heartless monster who only wants to see blood, fighting and death.

[@maugos]

"Obviously, they must die." That quote and image made me laugh harder than any other part.

[@louisduarte8763]

I like how you repeatedly emphasized the words "Show made for children" in that one part. And finally, the truth has come out about the TWAXU! You have to put all these bits together in a single video!

[@dagnytheartist]

2:27 A good example of shipping ruining a show is How I Met Your Mother. The ending of that show basically taught me what NOT to do as a writer. The short spoiler-free story is that the writers filmed a planned endgame pairing early in the series, and tried to shoehorn that planned ending even if it meant derailing what later seasons of the show were building up to. They showed episodes and character arcs on why their endgame pairing would be unhealthy and weren't right for each other, and at the last minute they broke up a couple they spent a long time building up to just to shoehorn the canon endgame couple. A majority of fans retcon the series finale, it got such a huge backlash that the producers made a cut version of the ending to appease the fans.

[@CCLOSPINA]

This series is a perfect example that if an "Endgame couple" doesn't work, you should give it up, rather than force it.

[@kpmh2001]

Hey, perfect timing JP. I was just about to write a story in a fandom that is LEGENDARY for its shipping wars. Now I know how to go in there like a champ and sink every ship I see like it's Pearl Harbor.

[@Jaydee-wd7wr]

Do people act like a DEFENDER over it?

[@lego007guym8]

JB, what are you saying!? People online are great at writing relationships!! They obviously have tons of experience in relationships and knowing exactly how they work!!

[@stevenbyrd8487]

I absolutely love the ending scene. It's true that this is "one giant ad," yet, it's also exceptionally well done. I love the TWA series. You produce wonderful satire.

[@Noemo2000]

Missed seeing your videos! Always fun listening to JP! Hope the Aeon Legion sequel is coming along.

[@UXMetalVTuber]

He's still working on developing the love dodecahedron

[@Noemo2000]

@@UXMetalVTuber That’s great! Triangle are so last century

[@sinclairethomas8197]

The entire TWA Universe is one big ad. I think, in my heart, I knew the truth. I just didn’t want to accept it.🥺😢

[@PepperMcLime]

Been waiting on this ever since JC brought up the topic apropos of nothing in the OC video. Man, that was so cool.

[@savvy3tv632]

This reminds me of the episode in Amphibia called Civil Wart. It was basically about how the main character introduced a small frog town to a movie with a love triangle in it, and the whole town went to war. It was pretty funny and got me into Amphibia. I strongly recommend watching the episode.

[@roboyollumnanddrodo1419]

Oh yeah

[@roboyollumnanddrodo1419]

Also the amphibia fandom has a problem with shipping too like why do they ship three platonic characters

[@CCLOSPINA]

@@roboyollumnanddrodo1419 Four, if we include Sprig.

[@insertobligatoryreferenceh489]

Isn’t that the episode where a character goes “I can’t believe we almost killed each other over fictional characters!”?

[@infidelheretic923]

One author who I like when asked if he ever read fan fiction, answered “No. I don’t want to ever be accused of ripping off a fan’s ideas. So I don’t read any of that.” Good advice in my opinion.

[@surprisedchar2458]

The barely contained ire behind “show made for children” tells me that JP has been yelled at by Legend of Korra shippers.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

To be fair, it could also be for ATLA

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@AmericanBrit9834 Or MLP: Friendship is Magic.

[@TheManOfManyNames373]

Or Voltron.

[@HVY_TheCitrusMan]

Or RWBY

[@nyxnight6311]

Or Steven Universe

[@usshill721]

*HE FINALLY RETURNED!*

[@joditiarsutrisno5556]

TWA : "since it is a show made for children, the show's creator are probably not going to take any romance very seriously Star vs Force of Evil fans : You are not the clown, you are the entire circus

[@candarus_collective]

This channel is WONDERFUL. Like a breath of fresh air in a heavily polluted city.

[@Xehanort10]

The shipping in Supernatural really got out of control with the fangirls seeing every woman character in the show as a threat to their fantasy of Dean, Sam and Castiel having a threesome even though Dean and Sam were brothers and straight.

[@dennisjaime1801]

Wtf

[@combatwombat2134]

I absolutely despise the term shipping. I absolutely wished this was about fictional logistics but I'll watch because it's your content. 😂

[@RealTalk720]

shipping kid characters doesn't have to be gross. just keep it cute n wholesome. he gives her a flower, they go to the movies. maybe they kiss,but let's keep it cute, people. Try to act like you've been in a relationship with a woman b4 it's not that hard fam

[@clarenceandgennymcneil251]

Puppy love. Simple. Cute. Underrated.

[@metroidnerd9001]

"This entire TWA universe is a mere construct to help sell his books." Speaking of which, when's Aeon Legion book 2 coming out?

[@GrndAdmiralThrawn]

What a twist

[@arthurcarnegie9144]

Shipping and fan creations can be fun! You know. As long as you aren’t a jerk to others and you leave the creators alone. Those are the MOST important two rules that should be followed. Just don’t harass anyone and stay out of conflict. Block liberally and have your fun. It’s supposed to be a little hobby where you can make some friends and bond over similar interests, not a war zone which makes everyone miserable.

[@greenapple9477]

There are fffffffaaaaarrrrrr too many people who need to hear this.

[@t.r.everstone7]

One of my favorite videos. Probably because of how much I despise the insanity of many fans with their ships for certain shows like My Hero Academia. It ranges from nonsensical to downright disturbing. I'm truly afraid of the kinds of relationships people my age and younger have and/or think are healthy 😅

[@thegreenrenegade7759]

Finally, the shipping episode is out, ive been waiting for this for a long time.

[@peoplesoft2784]

At this point I just follow for the sponsership segments. Also the amazing writing advice! (And when are you going to update your website?)

[@SynGirl32]

My friend is vehemently anti-shipping, I once accidentally started a free-for-all shipping war. Needless to say, this is topic we rarely talk about.

[@deathsecretary2055]

I kind of want to hear this story.

[@SynGirl32]

@@deathsecretary2055 A person started posting shipping art to the subreddit where a character from my OTC was shipped with a character I didn't like. As a joke, I made inflamatory comments below those posts defending my OTC. These started gaining steam, so people posted artwork of the character I liked shipped with increasingly unlikely characters. I was ready to call it off, but the sub was notorious for having a few loony fans of the ship I liked (it's an anime sub, you know what those are like). So of course, they got angry, which meant that people started doubling down and posting other controversial ships and general trolling. It lasted a few days before people stopped and I made peace with the guy I originally had the feud with. My friend really likes the other member of my OTC, but hates all non-canon ships, so needless to say, he was not very happy with me.

[@deathsecretary2055]

@@SynGirl32 Has it long ago enough to be funny yet or does it need another year?

[@SynGirl32]

@@deathsecretary2055 Eh, no one really talks about it, so I can't tell, but it wasn't really acidic or hateful like other wars. Most of it was ironic and it was just taken seriously by a few people.

[@CCLOSPINA]

Depending on how extreme an anti-shipper is, they can be just as frustrating as a Shipper.

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

Honestly, as someone whose done a lot of shipping, the drama is UNREAL. I’ve gotten dms of lunatics who take my ships as some type of moral failing and acuse others of abuse and bigotry over a fictional couple. I do think there are some iffy ships (like incest and pedophilia, which are kind of no brainers) but people take this shit WAY too personally, and even criticism of more iffy ships tend to devolve into harassment rather than acknowledgement of a more complex problem. A healthy attitude is to remember that it’s not real and that shipping is supposed to be FUN.

[@andrewmcguinness1845]

The whole sponsorship wars plot is legitimately engaging and I had no Idea I could get invested in the outcome of a literal series of advertisements.