SHIPPING - Terrible Writing Advice

[@jjump01]

The first shippers before books and entertainment were parents trying to ship their children with others.

[@pumpkin2986]

Lmao

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

Ah yes, the ancient art of match making

[@louisduarte8763]

The more I think about it, the more I realize Brooklyn 99's Charles Boyle was an in-universe shipper of Jake and Amy. Upping his creepiness.

[@wilcowen6284]

True

[@Какой-точел-д7д]

Lol

[@СергейОрлов-в4е]

I absolutely adore how you say "This *show* made for *children* " with so much suppressed anger

[@ElvenRaptor]

He can see the bronies through the internet.

[@ShadowSorel]

*ATLA flashbacks*

[@sempersolus5511]

*I* adore how he's not talking about any particular show, so that line will always be relevant.

[@WhiteFangofWar]

'This show about Children's Card Games where people ship two characters who constantly express strong dislike for each other, because of course it's merely concealing romantic passion!'

[@noobmasterruben5167]

STVFOE & VOLTRON flashbacks

[@nitrocharge2404]

Shipping is arguably the most profitable, yet dangerous creative decisions a writer can make

[@animationdude9]

This is honestly the best way to describe shipping

[@undeadblizzard]

I am still mad Toph and Aang didn't become a Power Couple.

[@animationdude9]

@@undeadblizzard . . . . wait what

[@undeadblizzard]

@@animationdude9 Yes. A Butch and a Femme come on.

[@animationdude9]

@@undeadblizzard No, how are you still mad about that after the show ended _almost 15 years ago?_

[@goros2289]

The part about shipping in “shows made for children” is literally Miraculous Ladybug in a nutshell. I find it incredible how both adults and children often come together on Reddit to defend their ships on 15 year old fictional characters, who have terribly written romantic interactions in the source material.

[@floricel_112]

That whole show is basically "shipping war" the show though, right? Not to be confused with the actual "shipping wars" show on history

[@nightigal]

It's worst because everyone is fighting over four different ships that are actually one ship which was bad enough on its own until the writers introduce side pairings that made the whole thing messier than it already was. Good thing I grew up enough to stop caring

[@palookadventures5694]

It's almost like plenty of other people have ideas on how a good ML story could actually go, put their ideas onto paper, and then put it on the internet for others to see. Crazy concept.

[@rhinosaur9636]

I feel like Miraculous is more an example of what happens when the money making corporate side and the creative sides of creating shows don’t agree. ML is super drawn out by now, the original idea that gathered the fan base in the first place is beaten into the ground with no shakeup of the status quo, but if you actually have a good, planned ending, the corporate side loses their cash cow. A shame really, the original concept is good, but the later stuff doesn’t really expand on the secret identity aspect that made the first two seasons alright. It’s just “no one can know!” and they leave it at that

[@slevinchannel7589]

Unlike Shiping, Science vs Science-Denial actually affects real People. Lots of them, but I aint sure if the Averaga Joe knows that.

[@pancakes8670]

When I was younger and taking part in shipping wars, I started going "fuck it" at one point and making my own characters to ship together and oh my goodness it was infinitely more fun That's how I got into writing. I'm not proud of it, but that's my story

[@Newfiecat]

Hey, that's legit. Good for you. 👍 As stressful as writing is, I can imagine it being a heckuva lot less stressful than fighting a shipping war.

[@AshdorCrush9000]

Like literally, making your own characters is SOOO much better. Best of all, you can insert yourself into it with no reprocussions.

[@lleer00na.79]

Based

[@lightningpenguin8937]

@@AshdorCrush9000 well you can always kill your self insert for plot.

[@filelost9194]

Well, you gotta start somewhere

[@sku1cru5er17]

I actually thought this was going to cover logistics, I was not prepared for an indepth look into the art of shipping.

[@hmswarspite1064]

Drachinifel has a 50 minute long video on naval logistics, perhaps that could sprak your interest.

[@conferzero2915]

@@hmswarspite1064 Thank you! I had myself excited for a logistics video, so those look great!

[@stevemcgroob4446]

That would have made a good April fools joke.

[@k9builder]

I work in logistics, this sounds like typical office drama. Glad I work outside loading flatbed trailers.

[@kpmh2001]

@@hmswarspite1064 Thank you Warspite, btw, big fan of your work. Sorry they tried to scrap you, great injustice!

[@wiipose3568]

Don't forget that shipping is 100% necessary, all of the time, regardless of genre or having it add even anything to the plot. And it is also forbidden to have two characters of the opposite sex be 'just friends', no matter how much it takes away from the characters development by having them closer to their friends than love interest. If the pairing was originally supposed to be platonic, always remember to suddenly change it to romance at the very last minute with no foreshadowing whatsoever. Because we all know that it's impossible to have a conversation with without it ending in make out session.

[@zappodude7591]

Forget that, no characters of the *same* sex should be friends! Also, no relationship should be self-contained, everyone should be jealous of everyone else all the time!

[@gauntlettcf5669]

In recent times, the "opposite sex" thing has become irrelevant, trust me. Nobody can have normal friends of any kind. If the character are even just 1% close to someone, it HAS to be subtext romance and sexual desire, no matter about gender, sexuality, age, character background, NOTHING. And of course, with the most recent patch of insanity that is spreading like a disease (at least in the fandoms I'm in, sadly), if more than 2 people are anywhere near close, then it MUST BE REPRESENTATION FOR POLYROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS. I've seen people unironically claiming this for the main group of friends in the new animation film "Red". It shows obvious "polyromantic platonic relationship" subtext, come on! It's not like friendships exist for real anyway, right? Or is it just me who has never had any??? Impossible, the reality is that EVERYTHING IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS SUBTEXT 🤪 And even if one of the characters already has a significant other, there's no trouble, they'll all be able to arrange a big, loving org* anyway! Sex must be the only way of interaction between humans, am I right? I wouldn't know, I haven't interacted with other real humans in so long...

[@crr4482]

@@gauntlettcf5669 What no way! are you telling me the random horny guy on twitter might have terrible social skills and might be projecting their kinks? Thats impossible

[@megarotom1590]

I agree...fandoms look way into deep friendships and put ships where there is like very little to know room for it. *cough cough* Ace attorney *cough cough*

[@sirkillalot9892]

@@megarotom1590 Like that franchise has barely any romance besides like maybe Gumshoe and Maggey, a few examples basically for a 'main character. Although I find all the Wrightworth art to be humorous.

[@Glisten456]

Two characters: Look in each other's general direction for exactly one frame Shippers: Now THAT is some romantic tension!

[@Xehanort10]

2 characters show actual romantic tension. Shippers: They're just friends.

[@jarlathquinn2628]

Ah yes Robute gilliman x yvairne

[@SkullQueen33]

This unleashed deep forgotten memories of my youth, when I watched an Inuyasha episode and someone comented something among the lines of: "Oh! Look at the way Sesshomaru looks at Kagome... He clearly respects and loves her more than anything in the world~!💕" ... For those who don't know, Sesshomaru is kinda of a side-quest antagonist for the male MC and he and Kagome (the main girl character) barely even talk at eachother for the entirety of the anime. Oh, and the frame this person was pointing out was one when Sesshomaru wasn't even looking at her; he was looking (and _talking_) to another person right behind Kagome's back.

[@CCLOSPINA]

Ahsoka Tv series; Wolfwren in a nutshell.

[@IAmAlpharius20]

​@@jarlathquinn2628 HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY

[@eggy6815]

You’ll be happy to know that the My Hero Academia fandom followed all of your advice in this video! Allow me offer you my congratulations... and condolences.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Hoo boy, the Mazinger fandom is actually remarkably civil for a (barely technically) fifty year old fandom. Even better is that the oldest surviving Mazinger fans have become grandparents already.

[@rizkiramadhan9266]

Bonus points for it being a show not for children

[@hamishgoeden7852]

Bakugo: "I hate you. Go die in a hole." Shippers: "oh my god they're in loooove!"

[@kidcircuit1955]

At least it was the fandom and not the writers. *GLARES AT ROOSTER TEETH*

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

Not just that, they started following it before he even made the video. That's how good this advice is.

[@shrekatemyonions]

Just remember to do what Danganronpa shippers do-actively ignore how characters feel about each other in canon, ship based on rough caricatures of what you want characters to be versus how they actually are, and react with vitriol when someone disagrees with that ship!

[@isauldron4337]

And make a Lot of characters gay for no reason

[@rainstarsworld9429]

Don't tell DR fans that there are no canon ships, at least when it comes to any characters from the games which mad props to the creators for abstaining from that, it leaves a ton of room for fans to get creative with rarepairs and stuff lol

[@finaldusk1821]

It's not like people came to enjoy the characters because of, you know, their character! Personality traits are totally interchangeable after all! I'm sure making the manipulative egotist and the optimistic heart-of-the-group be in a commited romantic relationship won't in any way undermine the reasons fans came to like those characters in the first place, or otherwise stick up a middle finger at the source material!

[@floricel_112]

Oh, let DR fans have their fun. Two thirds of their casts always end up dead by the end of the games anyway

[@The_GhostWind]

@@rainstarsworld9429 weeeell technically speaking there were some canon ships in V3, two to be exact… and they were the incestual ones… and I wish i had those MIB mind wipping devices so I can erase that from my memory.

[@lionorfieldgules3740]

"The entire TWA expanded universe is, in fact, one giant advertisement." Imagine how it would feel to be told your world is an ad.

[@AegixDrakan]

Oh yeah, man that *would* be devastating. I'd want to grab the character by the lapels and (shaking vigorously) ask, with a mood between despair, confusion and rage: *"What the sam hill are we even ADVERTISING?! There isn't even the slightest bit of common narrative threads or obvious product placement!* XD

[@kingofflamingos4344]

I would probably demand a loyalty check on the spot.

[@somethingclever4297]

I would feel depressed. BUT THEN I WOULD HAVE FUN BY PLAYING RAID SHADOW LEGENDS.

[@aaronimp4966]

Imagine dedicating your life by oath to fighting ads, and THEN finding out your world is an ad.

[@outlaweddrifter5172]

I would demand from whatever individual that made this ad royalties.

[@GreenChillZone]

I cannot overstate my relief that The Owl House waited to introduce the morally conflicted, insecure, brooding, bad boy until after Lumity was certain to be inevitable. You know that if Hunter was around in season one that the Lunter vs. Lumity wars would have been devastating.

[@Nai-qk4vp]

Well, thankfully that did not happen. Also, Eda and Raine are another possible pairing. They seem to still have feelings for eachother. It could be part of a well kade character arc to perhaps see them coming closer together again, Eda learning to manage her curse better and all of that.

[@justineberlein5916]

I mean, Luz *is* canonically bi... But yeah. She and her tomato girlfriend are too cute together

[@ligtningdog6399]

That's wont stop some people from losing the freaking minds.

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

Eh. I still kind of ship Luz with Hunter. The only reason I'm not all in on it is because I'm confident Hunter is going to die.

[@animationdude9]

@@ligtningdog6399 Yeah it’s really pathetic

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

"Alright, sell me on this pairing." "Well, he's hot...and she's a nerd who's just an average person...who's also actually hot." "And they share common interests?" "..uh..." "Surely they have SOMETHING in common? Like, if they were talking together, there's a topic they would both like, right? " "Well, they both kinda like Breakfast at Tiffany's, I guess?" "..good grief."

[@CombatSportsNerd]

I swear to God it’s like some of these writers have never been in or seen a relationship before

[@pygmalion0451]

Ooh, a Deep Blue Something reference. Those are rare

[@astracrits4633]

I swear most shippers have never actually seen a member of the opposite sex also, nice pfp *B U D D Y*

[@wariodude128]

As I recall, I think they both sort of liked it. Seems like that's the one thing they've got.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

"Plus, their chemistry is like, amazing. He said 'hello' once and she said 'hello' back!! They are absolutely in love with each other!!"

[@toriistorii6939]

Obsessed with the way this man says "a *show* made for *chhhildren*" Also I enjoy my ships as much as the next person, and god I have to say that it's absurd how much people will get mad over them (note: people with any decent common sense won't get upset). Hell, in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom, people will choose their favorite ship of *four* ships between *two* people. It's ridiculous lmao

[@starburst98]

The love square

[@PhoenixAgent003]

Okay but legit MariChat is the best iteration of the love square, because they’re both jist comfortable and casual with each other.

[@krishnavinesh5638]

idc if you like this dynamic of the exact same two people together i ship them with entirely different people

[@ganii1804]

@@starburst98 the love dodecahedron, the final stage of the trope

[@delusion5867]

@@ganii1804 but wait, have you heard of the love tesseract or, perhaps, the love pentahedroid or if we're getting even more fancy, a love hexadecachoron?

[@LanieMae]

You forgot to mention the “calling another other ship you don’t like toxic” drama

[@CCLOSPINA]

Bonus points, if the ship you support is even more toxic. Example: "I hate the Naruhina, because I consider that she is too co-dependent on him and submissive, on the other hand, I support the Narusasu, where Naruto acts like an obsessive and co-dependent person on a guy who has tried to kill him"

[@michaellewis1545]

I miss the days when I honestly thought shipping was about actually warships. In my defense a lot of ships name sound like a Japanese Imperial destroy.

[@silverprimus321boi9]

lmao same man

[@anon6000]

Amusingly, Rei Ayanami and Asuka Langley Sohryu's surnames are literally that of a destroyer and two aircraft carriers.

[@peterwindhorst5775]

@@anon6000 and 90% of the cast as well named after ships, parts, etc.

[@lamarepository248]

Then you’ll love to know about kantai collection.

[@justineberlein5916]

Like ズタラ?

[@teal_m_101]

Always remember that in the story, the female deuteragonist should always be shipped with the worst possible love interest. Had the bad boy antagonist been distant and/or emotionally manipulative of her? Probably. Should she care? Absolutely not! Even at the point of victory, she should never ACTUALLY defeat the bad boy antagonist because she loved him so much to leave herself vulnerable. Beating the antagonist is the hero's job! Does it completely contradict her character? Eh, whatever. Shipping points are what we need, not a cohesive story nor an actually strong and relatable female character.

[@aionicthunder]

Look, okay, it was portrayed as a horribly toxic relationship that both of them would be better if they didn’t get together. Problem is actually getting her to back up and see what exactly he does to her by calling her trash repeatedly (he does that to everybody)

[@issacalleyne8665]

Are we taking about Sakura, or someone else?

[@k9builder]

Did you just describe Twilight?

[@eduardopantoja9115]

@@k9builder I was thinking Sauske and Sakura but they probably meant Twilight

[@MagpieDynamics]

Reylo...

[@abdullahelnaas4473]

The most toxic ships I've ever seen were when degenerates shipped real people (Looking at you Markiplier x Jacksepticeye shippers)

[@scardycat4462]

To be honest, many of those people are young and probably don't know better, which I admit doesn't excuse them. Thankfully most grow up and see the error of their ways and change for the better.

[@Little1Cave]

Or Dan Avidan x Arin Hanson shippers. Especially when they explicitly stated that they are uncomfortable with it. Dan has a girlfriend and Arin has a wife for goodness sakes.

[@pikminman13]

the only time its ok is if youre just supporting the real relationship that already exists. which really is only pseudo shipping but you get the point. you simply want to see a couple be happy.

[@dymaxion3988]

Even if it’s with characters that are fictional, but used by someone to represent themselves, it crosses a line. Actors in a movie might not care that much about fanfiction of their characters, but a vtuber might not appreciate someone shipping their avatar without permission. But streamers and youtube personalities, with the huge overlap between their ‘on-air characters’ and real selves, definitely make for the grossest ship fiction.

[@pikminman13]

@@dymaxion3988 i think that comes down to vtubers portraying their character they made, while actors are portraying someone else's character. but you know, we live in a world where people draw r34 of real people, some people have no limits.

[@carbodude5414]

The worst kind of shipping you can do is setting up multiple scenes of two characters having implied romantic interest towards each other only to set them up with completely different characters that they've barely had any screen time with at the last minute **glares at Digimon 02**

[@CCLOSPINA]

The ending of Harry Potter with many secondary characters.

[@morganmiller41]

Also the sub-side of shipping, The Best Girl Wars. There's usually a big one every year. Do the fans care about the dude they're shipping her with? HELL NO he could be switched out with a houseplant. What matters is their best girl win this wooden board of a man.

[@somethingclever4297]

@@CCLOSPINA other fan:it's simple. Main character is just generic enough that we can easily project onto him.

[@bepisthescienceman4202]

And if best girl gets with another girl they'll just ignorince the love interest out of existence

[@federationprime]

Some of those conflicts have raged since the 90s, with no sign of slowing down or coming close to stopping. And I have participated.

[@s3studios597]

Or in other words literally the basis of like 90% of harem anime/manga/LNs/VNs. Like quite literally to the point of many VNs literally having nameless/faceless protagonists who barely even speak.

[@PeruvianPotato]

I can only name like 2 harem anime where people actually want the guy to score w the best girl

[@kieranmahon4382]

7:59 "Hinata and Sakura both tragically died in a 'who is the most useless' contest". That's great. I love it. It's just so...I don't know. Exactly the kind of thing someone in real life would write in a fanfiction. 😂

[@pinkmockingjay88]

Sakura is not useless tho

[@TheDiscoGenre]

@@pinkmockingjay88 Nice cope

[@pinkmockingjay88]

@@TheDiscoGenre Its just facts. There wouldn't be Boruto without her

[@lewisdelamare2831]

@@pinkmockingjay88 And that's a good thing?

[@pinkmockingjay88]

@@lewisdelamare2831 Yeah. Ppl gotta wake up and realize that their precious Mc and loads of characters would be dead if it wasnt for her but too bad they're still in the "Sakura is useless " phase

[@silentwalker434]

God this video speaks so much to me....its been almost 20 years and the fandom is STILL arguing over ships in ATLA and cannot seem to shut the f*ck up about it. If the fandom isn't arguing over ships , its arguing over Azula and a single post can create a massive debate/argument on reddit.

[@merlinlemmerdeur7417]

"Is Azula actually misunder-" *BANG* "Nooooo Azula is just a bad cha-" *BANG BANG*

[@Hypogean7]

-Zutoph-

[@GrndAdmiralThrawn]

Fan theory: Korrasami sank the series for Nickelodeon. Can’t have LGBT relationships in kids’ cartoon.

[@Hypogean7]

@@GrndAdmiralThrawn That relationship was literally 10 seconds at the end of the last episode. The series sucked long before that.

[@GrndAdmiralThrawn]

@@Hypogean7 I just mean that was why it was canceled.

[@kirstenpaff8946]

Hmm, someone is a traumatized veteran of the great Avatar Shipping War. That being said, shipping can be a lot of fun, as long as you keep the following ground rules in mind: 1. Don't be a jerk to others if you disagree with their ships. You can have endless nerdy debates about the ships, but attacking someone over their preferred ship is just rude. 2. The best way to disagree with a creator's shipping decision is to make good fanfiction/fan art show casing why your ship is compelling, not attacking the creator and writing long "think" pieces about how the creator is the worst. 3. Don't ship real people. It's creepy. Real people start and end romantic relationships for many reasons, most of which you are not privy to. Their lives are not yours to play make belief with.

[@glanni]

I agree to these points. I like shipping, I don't do it often because characters need to have something special to really get to me (and I don't have the best fantasy to fill in the gaps tbh), but it's fun to see as long as it's in a friendly and level-headed manner. It could be just like any other hobby. Unfortunately I think people just get actually super hormonal over ships and that's why they become so angry. Projection is one hell of a drug, and so is romance. Edit: I do have a few ships that I like a lot though, don't get me wrong.

[@Newfiecat]

Excellent rules! Yes!

[@emblemblade9245]

“Don’t ship real people” Marriage rates drop to 0%!

[@glanni]

@@emblemblade9245 Ok, how about "Don't ship real people unless you're one of the parties involved"? And probably "*and when the other party consents" (depending on whether 'shipping' means just having a crush or actually trying to be with them).

[@AshdorCrush9000]

What about cursed ships? There's bound to be Blood-Related Person x Blood-Related Person sh*t going SOMEWHERE. That's not even considering the "gray area" ships where their relationship(family-wise) is unclear or up to interpretation. I'm looking at YOU, Undertale fandom. (I'm sad I ship a ship that's in the gray area. Don't ask what it is.)

[@nobody5333]

I really want to see more friendshipping and enemyshipping. Like these two characters who haven't met yet in the official story would make for really good friends/enemies and I want to read works where they do in fact meet.

[@CCLOSPINA]

In the MCU, I had several of these. Many were fulfilled in Infinity War, and Endgame, and others were not.

[@enby_sims_lover109]

As an avid shipper I get why it has the reputation it does, for every comunity of emotionally mature teens and adults sharing a love of the media, its characters, and the world building there's a smaller but so much louder group of children (or worse emotionally stunted adults) causing problems. I don't think shipping really the problem, but a symtom of the larger issue of fandom toxicity. I might love my ships, but I think that I speak for a lot of emotionally mature fans when I say I don't care about them being cannon or not. My enjoyment of a ship is a repersentation of my love for the media, and I have fanfics to cater to my ships, I just want a good story from the sorce material.

[@pumpkin2986]

exactly this. Coming from the dsmp fandom, which has virtually no shipping, you don’t need romance for people to get toxic about character dynamics. It’s a fandom problem

[@silverprimus321boi9]

same, and funnily enough, the more toxic shippers of a community don't actually like what they're digesting. In other words, they love books/movies/animes/shows not for what they are, but more for what they think it should be. And I think that's not what liking something means,

[@ugan2]

Exactly. Been apart of several fandoms and definitely love my ships, and I've seen plenty of people be mature about why they like/don't like certain ships. Sad thing is the toxic ones drive people from the actual source material. I'm a huge fan of Hetalia, and everyone fan knows how bad the shippers got to the point where some people didn't want to give it a chance. Sad too because it seemed like that fandom grew some self-awareness and calmed down but the damage has been done Heck, also a Naruto fan, and I have a few rare ships and also have written and posted fanfic with them. Nothing beats being told to end myself because of my work.

[@Gamermario-lb3rq]

Thank you for this comment. I should really remember this whenever I have to explain to someone how I am a low-key shipper. Seriously there is no reason to be toxic about something as inconsequential as shipping.

[@sxwriter8569]

Yeah enby, as long as you're being a good person, I got no issue with shippers.

[@wireseatsgarlic]

Jokes aside tho, I've seen atleast 2 times where the reveal of characters being related absolutely destroyed shippers and it was so satisfying because both times I hated the ships

[@TheCoolCryptid]

What ships and fandom?

[@welwitschia3756]

​@@TheCoolCryptidI guess we'll never know

[@allisonstarr6074]

@@welwitschia3756Maybe they were a Han x Leía shipper?

[@CCLOSPINA]

Examples I can think of are Leia, and a certain duck girl who turned out to be a clone.

[@allisonstarr6074]

@@CCLOSPINA oh yeah. I’m glad I never shipped her with anyone haha

[@solus1247]

Speaking of platonic relationships! I will await the day that JP does a video on the nearly omnipresent trope... the Power of Friendship, or fictional friendships in general. I just love it when the protagonist relies on the power of friendship so much, that their friends are reduced to being mere batteries meant to power the protagonist. Bonus points if the protagonist's friends have absolutely no life of their own outside of the protagonist and has to rely on the protagonist to solve all their personal issues. God forbid that a character is independent and tries to solve things on their own, rather than constantly relying on others. If a character DARES to solve a problem(especially a personal problem) on their own instead of being entirely dependent on the aid of others, have them fail miserably at it until the protagonist(or other characters) conveniently show up to help them through it. While doing this, be sure to beat the audience over the head about how good friends are and how you should always rely on them to get through things Edit: Let's not forget characters who lack friends and are thus incapable of abusi- I mean using the power of friendship. It is imperative that you always make them tragic jerk loners... because we all know that people lacking friends are massive jerks who are obviously suffering from some tragic backstory that you must resolve. The protagonist(or characters) must go out of their way to befriend them, no matter how much the loner treats them with scorn and rejects their friendship.

[@rbgerald2469]

So is Sofia The First that bad?

[@Gchildwarrior]

I came up with a manga script about a superhero who actually has the Power of Friendship as a flashy ability. However, he is secretly a manipulative jerk who likes to show it off

[@savvy3tv632]

And let’s not forget that if you have a toxic friend, you MUST stay with them because the power of friendship always wins, even if you feel horrible about yourself when you are with them. I swear, if children’s media showed the main character cutting out a toxic person in their life without it being a “oh that person is just misunderstood.” Or “oh it’s your fault your getting abused because you weren’t a good friend.” I would be in a much better place and would have cut out toxic people sooner.

[@laststrike4411]

Eh.

[@xuantungphung5363]

@@solus1247 You should check out Kamome Tsurubami from Medaka Box then, he is the type of guy who supports all those he considers friends, yet also enjoys being a loner and do his own things.

[@davidci]

Never forget the time a Steven Universe fan-artist was given cookies with needles that pierced their tongue over a goddamn ship

[@bepisthescienceman4202]

It was undertale fan artist

[@TheHydrakeHydra]

Oh jeez. When did that happen??

[@messiyer13]

@@TheHydrakeHydraThere was an artist who either drew Soriel (Sans the funny bone man shipped with the former queen of the underground) or Frans (funny bone man shipped with a literal child) who went to a convention and got a cookie with needles in it from someone who hated the ship. Had to go to the hospital, I think

[@TheHydrakeHydra]

@@messiyer13 I did find out about, but thanks anyways and… damn.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

To be honest, it's an Undertale artist who did it.

[@jr03160]

Regular show did Everything wrong with shipping wars. It forced a romance between Mordecai and CJ, caused a brutal love triangle that pushed CJ out, shouted out that Mordecai and Maragret are just gonna be friends, and introduced Mordecais wife in the final five minutes

[@sirkillalot9892]

I think the ending was more damage control. Both initial ships were established to have their problems. So either Mordecai had to become single or he found his love interest much later. I don't mind that they kept Steph the Batgirl vague. It has a message about how some people take longer to figure things out, rather than the heat of action. Like how everyone else besides Skips (who isn't into that) got their couple locked at just the finale. But it was really annoying how many episodes were dedicated to the love feud and turned things into the Mordecai show.

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

Honestly, I feel that makes it more realistic. In real life, many people have a highschool sweetheart, and while some eventually marry their highschool sweetheart, others don't, and instead date many different people as they grow up, until they finally find The One, which is the one they marry. So Mordecai's wife being someone we've never seen before is actually pretty realistic.

[@clarehidalgo]

The Studio Staff having a shipping war happened in Digimon 02, it got so bad that they randomly picked 2 ships to become canon out of a hat. One I was meh about and the other I hated because Sora and Matt only talk to each other like 4 times alone without Tai and had no chemistry. 6 year old me was hoping Sora and Tai would get together because they played off each other well

[@somethingclever4297]

Tai and who?

[@Santoryu90]

I leaned more into Tai x Sora and still kinda find Matt x Sora questionable but I know there are people to this day that are still very salty about it.

[@vikorovstock2432]

“They picked who hooks up with who randomly” makes so much sense. Even as a kid I knew Yolei and ken was a weird pair.

[@writenowdream3882]

I heard Tai ends up with Izzy?? Unsure if true, I thought Izzy and Mimi were a couple.

[@HIPEOPLE1887]

Don’t forget TK and Kari

[@genghiskhan5701]

You should do actual shipping wars or stories involving naval warfare or anything nautical

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Ships only exist for two things: Fishing and piracy. That's all you need to know about naval vessels in fiction.

[@Luissv72]

@@DonVigaDeFierro i half expected the title to be bait and actually be that

[@maxanderson3733]

This is a story I would watch

[@dodgydodo3060]

That would have worked well for a april fools episode

[@ipadair7345]

What one can dow with naval vessels is geuinely so interesting. So few stories are about the logistics of shipping. Shipping is the backbone of any thallasocracy.

[@Multi-Tech]

*Two characters say hello to one another* Fan: "I ship it!"

[@justintime3656]

thery do not have to talk, thery dont even have to be in te same univers to be a ship. trust me

[@darkpinkgirl6684]

damn bro, didn't have to call out the MHA fandom like that

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

more like: *two characters see each other* Turbofan: "I SHIP IT!!!!"

[@justintime3656]

@@darkpinkgirl6684 If it were only one fandom

[@wakanakamulan2152]

*Two characters exist in the same proximity as each other* Fan: “OMG I SHIP IT, THEY ARE MY INNOCENT LITTLE SOFT UWU BABIES!!!”

[@animationdude9]

Stuff like this is why I’m always internally debating with myself whether or not I should have romance in my stories or just *cut* that shit out like a _fucking cancer._ Like, what is wrong with Platonic relationships?

[@starmaker75]

Yeah I mean it not like there stuff like sibling love, family love, brother in arms, or people having different sexuality, etc.

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

they don't make big bucks with the hs/college-girl audience. Platonic relationships don't make money or garner interest. There's a lot of closet horny, which the teasing is really good at exploiting. Saying that, it feels like it's gotten better most recently... ish? Among some communities.

[@lordsinister707]

@@pallingtontheshrike6374 one piece did incredibly well with no ships or Romance. I mean Sanji instant attraction to cute girls is more for comedic relief

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

@@lordsinister707 one piece isn't targeted towards hs/college girls, it's targeted towards bois, it being a battle shounen. Stuff targeted for boys and to a degree older dudes will tend to have more of these gags over actual subplots. I mean, Pokemon, anyone?

[@meredithsmakings3068]

Platonic relationships make me feel more than romantic ones tbh

[@Galimeer5]

"Ah crap, I set him up for a smooth segway" Absolutely brilliant line

[@canaisyoung3601]

It's "segue" if you mean a connection between two events. #learntospell

[@apocalypseofplush]

@@canaisyoung3601 wait, IT IS?!

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

Shipping war is fun, it's very entertaining to watch a fandom implode. Also it's very necessary to map out the characters relationship(especially main characters) for both character development, dynamic & avoid drag the plot out due to unnecessary drama, shipping war maybe fun to watch(for an outsider) but is very much damage your writing credibility. For example: Voltron team were marketing & selling merchandise for ships they didn't knew were going to be canon or not with piss off people when some ships turn out to be not

[@somethingclever4297]

They didn't Know*

[@atheist2025]

@Mary Moon I once got in an argument about sonics super form (super sonic) having a time limit when I just looked it up the thing that came up said “it has no time limit” but when I clicked on the article it said super sonic has a time limit, some even specified that it takes 1 ring per 2 seconds. When I linked them to this article they just didn’t respond.

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

@Mary Moon It's even funnier when fans perform insane mental gymnastic to praise the creator for out of nowhere ships that make no sense just because it's their ships. Like Korrasami or Reylo _ Reylo: Don't you see the($3xu@l) tension when they were trying to thrust long, hot, cylindrical objects into each other? _ Korrasami: + The creator were so smart by 1st showing they were both miserable dating Mako to show those relationship weren't right & they should date each other. No, the creators didn't know there would be more seasons so Mako-Korra were endgame; also Korra wasn't uncomfortable around just Mako, she was being uncomfortable around everyone (and make them just as uncomfortable as her, because all of her character development from season 1 was reset to become even bitchier in the 2nd season than the 1st ) beside Unalaq who was stroking her ego as hard as Korrasami shipper stroking the creators(so by that logic he should have end up with her); they even brought back the dreaded love triangle(due to amnesia) as if SS2 didn't have enough plots & sub-plots + The actual ship was so compelling. No, they spend the entire show as friends then suddenly become a couple at the end. They didn't show the actual relationship. -> Korrasami was less interesting than Makorra because at least the later was explored from beginning to end

[@smort123]

What giga chads lol

[@M3rtyville]

yes

[@shinekitten7669]

also remember that every character must end up in a romantic relationship, no exceptions! if a character is aromantic and completely uninterested in romance, either completely ignore that or say that the character you ship them with is "the one" who "fixed" them by "teaching them how to love!"

[@mimnimpetite8681]

I will say though, that it is okay to write fanfiction that's bad or entirely fan-service. It's fanfiction, it doesn't always have to be an exercise is furthering your creative sights. Sometimes something fluffy and nonsensical is just what you need after a bad a day...

[@thejay8963]

That's alright. I guess the real problem is the toxic dogma of "I am correct and no one else can be!"

[@clarenceandgennymcneil251]

❤

[@clarenceandgennymcneil251]

I think we forget at the end of the day, fanfics and fandoms are about fun

[@thejay8963]

@@mimnimpetite8681 I'll admit, it's fun to see people seriously debating between AppleDash and Rarijack.

[@sxwriter8569]

As a casual shipper and someone who wants to write romantic subplots, my tips as a fan/aspiring writer is simple. 1) Be the better person. I prefer to ship what the author wants or implies, and some don't. As long as I'm not being a dick to them and they're not being an a-hole to me, we good. (i.e., My Hero Academia: I like Izuku/Ochako & KiriMina, my friend like Kiri/Baku, and all we do is just wonder what the author will do with them next, not fight each other). 2) Let the protagonist and love interest interact. Even if they're boring, just letting them interact gives them something to do, anything to talk about, or gets the writer with little experience (like this idiot truly) flesh them out a bit more 3) Romance between underaged characters. Don't go beyond first base, something most kids shows do right better than content made for "teenagers." Literally let them do anything else. 4) Pivoting to another romance can work. Just allow the relationship to have it's chance, and if the characters do break up, have it make sense while also just leaving them open for future arcs and plot points. 5) LGBT pairings shouldn't be hard. Don't kill them off, let them be characters, and just set up their romance. I haven't seen the 100 (though I heard part of what happened was because Lexa was her name's actor was juggling a lot) though I know that hurt people badly. Granted if you're not comfortable with doing it, don't, but I tried it once despite being straight and it's one of the best thing I've enjoyed writing. 6) Don't send death threats: authors are people and even shows I know people dislike have "toxic shippers" and "passionate critics" that just want to be dicks because the writer/author did something that pissed them off. There's a good way to handle criticism, go for it. 7) Don't lump all shippers together either: Some 16 year old watching an episode of a show and thinking two characters they like would be a cute couple shouldn't be lumped up with some douchebag on the internet that has less emotional maturity than them. 8) Yeah, not every story needs a romance. I want to write platonic and romantic and I enjoy stories with both or just one. 9) Certain tropes like enemies to lovers needs to be handled with care since done...divisively, it could lead to toxic relationships on par . The only example I've seen done well is Lyrical Nanoha and the only ones I've heard that were done well outside of books are She-Ra's reboot but even that has detractors. I'd argue doing something like the Avatar writers considering Zuko x Katara (even if you can argue someone dating someone ex-colonizer would be bad but there's the counter argument Zuko isn't like that anymore and was redeemed, so there's that) 10) Treat love interests well. Try to remember at the end of the day, it's fiction, and never use that love for fiction to bring harm to others.

[@d.j.mulcahy1657]

Early on when writing my book, I originally intended the two main characters to end up in a romantic relationship with each other because I thought it would work. However, years later, when I revisited it, I decided to keep them simply as friends and to not really focus on romance that much.

[@vernyulkisasszony4708]

Reminds me of a story I wrote in high-school, I wanted the main character to be originally straight and than having his wife and child killed to add his tragic back-story, but he ended up being aroace, and it was actually a really important part of his character.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Woah, dude!! You mean these two mortal enemies, who hated each other since the first time they met, whose only interactions have been insults and punches, who despise everything that the other represents, and who have actively tried to fucking murder each other mutiple times, are not allowed to BANG???

[@thelegostarwarsf7916]

The last thing shippers will do is use their brain. I'm convinced shippers have 0 braincells.

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

Gay as hell to have a sworn rival

[@bigmouselittlemouse2001]

You just described catra and adora and Raya and Namaari

[@s3studios597]

This is an actual thing in Durarararararararara. Like in the actual series. You got two guys who absolutely hate each other and regularly try to kill each other and one of the female characters shipping them. I think it was an OVA, but one episode has Shizuo and Izaya fighting all over the city and the girl was narrating it like a sex scene.

[@DoctorSpacebar]

They are, in fact! Guns make quite the loud *bang* when fired, you know. No guns in the setting? Lightning magic is an excellent substitute.

[@ladywalda5838]

"If it exists there's porn for it" the same goes for ships.

[@PeruvianPotato]

Not really, I still haven't found the Starscream x Lightning McQueen one

[@machinedramon3532]

@@PeruvianPotato So write it yourself. Sounds like fun, and a good writing exercise.

[@PeruvianPotato]

@@machinedramon3532 Unfortunately, I'm not a masochist and I want to keep my sanity so you'll have to ask someone else

[@hi.241]

@@PeruvianPotato then if in right, thats where rule 35 comes in "if no porn is found at the moment, it will be made"

[@CCLOSPINA]

Even for Sauron.

[@JarNO_WAY]

JP at 4:03 using all of his willpower to write "idiot" instead of "baka"

[@ciphergacha9100]

So strong

[@paula194]

The only way the TWA Expanded universe could get even funnier is if he did a raid shadow legends sponsorship to power up Greed, though I suspect even the in-character bad author wouldn't stoop that low..

[@finaldusk1821]

Oh, that's just what Greed wants you to think! Then, he WILL stoop that low and totally fool us all! Who would predict that this extremely selfish being driven only by a lust for money, would go for the lowest hanging fruit with a Raid Shadow Legends sponsership!? It'll be the best plot twist ever and no one will see it coming! Genuis!

[@paula194]

@@finaldusk1821 Ultimately I think it's unlikely JP would take a Raid show legends sponsorship because they don't need it, and I imagine no one does one of those because they actually like them, they do them because those things pay 4 figures minimum and people need money. JP gets pretty steady sponsorships though, and likely could do without *that* on his channel. But saying this is a lot less succinct than my previous comment, so I went with that.

[@JonathonSwinney2814]

*JP reveals his MTG knowledge by accident* Me: Oh, well played, clever one.

[@UncleJrueForTue]

Not a basic forest or Island either. Necromancer JP?

[@dr.fiction7]

@@UncleJrueForTue hey, don't diss the zombies man. I'v got a buddy who, if the cards are in his favor, can kill me by turn 8 with his op as hell Zombie deck. Some of those resurrection spells he has are insane.

[@Ag3nt0fCha0s]

MTG? metal Twisted G?

[@joditiarsutrisno5556]

TWA : "since it is a show made for children, the show's creator are probably not going to take any romance very seriously Star vs Force of Evil fans : You are not the clown, you are the entire circus

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

9:07 "Besides, fanfic writers are excused from creatively pushing their boundaries and should be free to wallow in their indulgence." This advice is supposed to be terrible, but I kind of agree. I mean, if nobody's paying you to write the story, you've got to make it worth your while somehow. Be as indulgent as you want! If you want it to be "good", well, that's different.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

JP is truly the Lovechild of Hbomberguy and Critical Drinker. Oh so different, oh so similar.

[@levthemapperxd]

@@loturzelrestaurantthe critical drinker is shit though so

[@levthemapperxd]

@@loturzelrestaurant Why does that matter? It’s the internet. Not to mention that my point still stands.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@levthemapperxd Why would it not matter? Everywhere? Its the Internet.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@levthemapperxd Mistakes are mistakes. Wrong is Wrong and Right is Right.

[@ProjectMathesar]

The end of the Naruto manga was basically the author snapping his fingers and every character marrying each other and having kids just to set up a new series. Well done.

[@autobotstarscream765]

The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

[@Shrek_es_mi_pastor]

Naruto and Hinata just feels so random

[@coca_0146]

and most pairing came out of nowhere

[@lightningpenguin8937]

@@Shrek_es_mi_pastor Not really. It was always going to be Hinata or Sakura. It just was never ever earned. Naruto(the anime at least) was terrible with romance. I mean Sakura was hit so hard with the bad romance stuff, she gained the reputation of useless.

[@anitanielsen1061]

Well, THIS is one hell of a disaster-zone you picked!

[@kieranmahon4382]

8:11 Her name is Mai, not Mia, but otherwise yeah that is lowkey the fanfic How I Became Yours. And it was done via a FRUIT, of all things!

[@AmericanBrit9834]

Good god

[@AegixDrakan]

I-wha-no you can't be-...I...I need a drink. A very *TALL* alcoholic drink. 💀

[@sirkillalot9892]

We are survivors

[@akl2k7]

The Abortion Orange... And the comic ends with Katara bloodbending Mai to death. It's telling when the most popular characters in the story were the villains. At least the dramatic readings are hilarious, along with some of the terrible dialogue (Zuko being called a chard monster)

[@sirkillalot9892]

@@akl2k7 or the photoshop panda and turtledecks. or turning Azula into Yue. Sho wasn't too bad. Probably because he was an OC trying to 'right the wrong'. And actually effective

[@starburst98]

The multi writer cross purpose thing was parts of steven universe, one of the writers very clearly liked the idea of peridot and lapis being together, but everyone else basically ignored it so it was really weird how some episodes have them acting like they were already married while others they are just roommates.

[@slimeheadgamer3569]

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. Aside from the "getting over hatred of each other" segment of the storyline, I never really think the show leaned towards a romantic subtext - I always took it as a close platonic one (The scene of them just goofing around with instruments in the barn is my favorite example of this).

[@CH-or4fe]

I've always loved shipping. It's one of my favourite things about being in fandoms. I vaguely remember fighting other kids back in the day (oh, the anti-ship groups, listing all the reasons a ship was bad and toxic and wouldn't work out) and can only look back shaking my head. I'm honestly glad that Twitter and certain other sites weren't a thing back when I was active and stupid about it. That said, I never went out of my way to stalk whoever shipped (or didn't ship) what I did and I also never creeped on real people because I was convinced they were secretly lovers. These days I don't give a damn about what shippers write about fictional people who were and aren't and will never be real but I am more hesitant about RPF. Like, sure, what you're writing is fiction but if there's a person out there you're trying to depict and they go "please don't" it gets weird. Yes, weirder than killing off Hinata and Sakura for entirely fictional people smashing.

[@dekuisagreatmaincharacter]

I think people who say “I like shipping,” kinda get a bad rep by default. I also really like shipping, probably because I’m a hopeless romantic and an introvert who can’t get a date, but I’m always hesitant to say that to anyone because I’m afraid people will put me in the same box as people who start petty fights over which ship should be canon and which ship makes no sense.

[@CH-or4fe]

@@dekuisagreatmaincharacter People getting angry over shipping sometimes forget that nothing in the work they are reading or watching is real. I've certainly met people who believe that liking anything romantic is silly and somehow worse than enjoying other parts of fiction - and know what? They're being rude. People can make fun of the romance genre all they want but it's popular. And for a reason. And honestly it doesn't matter for what reason you like something - you like spending your time with it and that's fine. The only time people should be criticized is when they harass a real person over fiction. End of story.

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

it gets kinda finnicky for me because there are legitimately ships that are hopelessly idealistic [and in realistic circumstances would be toxic as all hell] I mean, not like you can't ship those, but if you're my friend I may end up judging accordingly, right?

[@CH-or4fe]

@@pallingtontheshrike6374 I used to think the same way but as I get older I just notice that I care less and less. Especially when I ended up liking ships that would make some people yell "no!" Some like ships despite how "toxic" they are, some like them BECAUSE they are toxic. You don't have to like those ships. I'd still suggest to not assume that most people can't tell fiction and reality apart. Unless one's the type to hate every single character who murders people in fiction and believes their fans must cheer for real life murderers.

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

@@CH-or4fe my baseline is basically 'why' if the character is a horrible 'person' and you're wishing misfortune on them, understandable, have a nice day if the characters are good but definitely don't mesh together [obvious difference in habit, preference and priority], and you don't have any interaction you can point to to back it up, I will judge, because that's a 'how you think' or 'how you don't think' problem. If you ship real life people, I may judge. For the latter half, define 'hate every single character who murders people.' Like, what do you mean by murder? what do you mean by hate? Is it wanton murder of innocents for no good reason but 'it's fun lmao' or is it 'this is a means to an end' or is it 'i'mma do this for the sake of the wooorolrdldr' [clearly bricked in the head] I don't like murderers, even if they're fictional, but I can recognize that some are well written or written to be disliked or both.

[@Haverlock]

The only way to communicate with a fandom as a creator is utter contempt. Do whatever you want and meme them to death on twitter. Then in the next chapter kill the happy faction's favorite character and end it there. Then meme again

[@DanielGoldhorn]

Remember when Alex Hirsch faked a leak for Gravity Falls Season 2, gave the fandom a day to lose their mind, and then dunked on all of us?

[@Haverlock]

@@DanielGoldhorn I don't but he's a man after my own heart

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@DanielGoldhorn JP is like the lovechild of Hbomberguy and Critical Drinker. Oh so different, oh so similar.

[@emblemblade9245]

“I can finally say what every creator wants to say to their fanbase. FUCK. AAAALLL Y’AAALL!” -Kayaba, SAO Abridged

[@WarmLusamine]

“Oh yeah, you can tell this is gonna be constructive.” Abridged!Asuna/sane members of fandoms

[@snailofkale]

the worst thing ever is when legitimately good or interesting (usually noncanon) ships have the most absolutely feral fans so people who are normal about it can’t just chill

[@DeathDealer_1021]

Just remember that reylos actually got mad when Finn and Rey's actors sat together at the Oscars because enemies to lovers fans are an actual cancer on this earth

[@SlapstickGenius23]

What about Stans? They are an even bigger cancer in this world than most kinds of fans ever are.

[@strangevol5264]

*only in certain situations and certain fandoms. for example, say a villain actually has a redemption arc and ends up compatriots with the protagonists. there's a basis for an actually decent enemies to lovers story there. if there's complex feelings between the two parties, where neither really want to hurt the others, there's a variety of ways for it to be interpreted, including enemies to lovers. that's just two examples of it being done possibly well.

[@sofiaw4654]

@@strangevol5264can you people pls stop with this “not all fandoms” talk wdgaf, you all still annoying

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

@@strangevol5264 I actually want to know the whole psychological aspect to why people eat up the "enemies to lovers" trope.

[@americanidiot41]

​@@ArbitraryOutcome They want to fuck their bullies. I'm joking it's (hopefully) WAY more complicated than that

[@blade5521]

Before shipping*, ask yourself: 1. Is openly shipping this going to harm real people? If yes, don't ship or ship quietly and responsibly. If not, who cares? Have fun and tag properly so that people can filter out the things they don't want to see. *Related to shipping as a fan, not as a creator (Edit to add clarification)

[@ineednochannelyoutube2651]

Also, If anyone disagrees with you, it’s just a ship no point In arguing.

[@blade5521]

​@@ineednochannelyoutube2651 Yup. If you hate a ship, block/filter out the tag. If you run into it anyways, ignore it and move on. Your yuck is someone's yum and all that.

[@prospitdreamer]

This

[@SynGirl32]

My friend is vehemently anti-shipping, I once accidentally started a free-for-all shipping war. Needless to say, this is topic we rarely talk about.

[@deathsecretary2055]

I kind of want to hear this story.

[@SynGirl32]

@@deathsecretary2055 A person started posting shipping art to the subreddit where a character from my OTC was shipped with a character I didn't like. As a joke, I made inflamatory comments below those posts defending my OTC. These started gaining steam, so people posted artwork of the character I liked shipped with increasingly unlikely characters. I was ready to call it off, but the sub was notorious for having a few loony fans of the ship I liked (it's an anime sub, you know what those are like). So of course, they got angry, which meant that people started doubling down and posting other controversial ships and general trolling. It lasted a few days before people stopped and I made peace with the guy I originally had the feud with. My friend really likes the other member of my OTC, but hates all non-canon ships, so needless to say, he was not very happy with me.

[@deathsecretary2055]

@@SynGirl32 Has it long ago enough to be funny yet or does it need another year?

[@SynGirl32]

@@deathsecretary2055 Eh, no one really talks about it, so I can't tell, but it wasn't really acidic or hateful like other wars. Most of it was ironic and it was just taken seriously by a few people.

[@CCLOSPINA]

Depending on how extreme an anti-shipper is, they can be just as frustrating as a Shipper.

[@dagnytheartist]

2:27 A good example of shipping ruining a show is How I Met Your Mother. The ending of that show basically taught me what NOT to do as a writer. The short spoiler-free story is that the writers filmed a planned endgame pairing early in the series, and tried to shoehorn that planned ending even if it meant derailing what later seasons of the show were building up to. They showed episodes and character arcs on why their endgame pairing would be unhealthy and weren't right for each other, and at the last minute they broke up a couple they spent a long time building up to just to shoehorn the canon endgame couple. A majority of fans retcon the series finale, it got such a huge backlash that the producers made a cut version of the ending to appease the fans.

[@CCLOSPINA]

This series is a perfect example that if an "Endgame couple" doesn't work, you should give it up, rather than force it.

[@colleenmccool7548]

JP really telling on himself (and his age) by calling shipping "serious business." I too was on the internet in the mid-2000s.

[@atarishooter1339]

Always when I’m about to miss you, you come out with a new episode! Love it!

[@Xehanort10]

The shipping in Supernatural really got out of control with the fangirls seeing every woman character in the show as a threat to their fantasy of Dean, Sam and Castiel having a threesome even though Dean and Sam were brothers and straight.

[@dennisjaime1801]

Wtf

[@youngtally2677]

Normal people: "huh those two would be kinda cute together maybe I'll check out a fanfiction or two." Shippers: "THOSE TWO (OR MORE) MUST GET TOGETHER!!! AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE THEN I HATE YOU AND YOUR PROBABLY AN IST OR A PHOBE!!! IMMA WRITE A DOZEN FANFICS ABOUT THEM AND DEDICATE MY LIFE TO THESE CHARACTERS!!!"

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

The Witcher community in a nutshell

[@cardescomedioses3674]

i love how JP actually builds up a fun story for the ads, thus subverting the trope of just throwing the sponsors as a chore, tbh i could easily watch only the ads for how hilarious the story Is, you aré great JP, never change for bad, we all trust you

[@emilyrln]

Set everyone's expectations sky-high, then set them on fire. Got it.

[@louisduarte8763]

I like how you repeatedly emphasized the words "Show made for children" in that one part. And finally, the truth has come out about the TWAXU! You have to put all these bits together in a single video!

[@travonarmstrong6093]

Don't forget the gigabrain move of "Pair the Spares", where two characters only end up together because all of the other potential pairings are already taken. Do the two spares have any sort of compatibility and chemistry that would naturally lead to them being a couple? Well, no, but that won't stop the fans from making essay-long diatribes filled with their headcanons on the pairing that the writer TOTALLY thought about when making the canon story. Have the two spares ever had any meaningful interactions, or even said more than 5 lines to each other? Of course not, but that won't stop the fans from gushing over them and making 20 minute long videos going over their so-called "romantic life", when all of their interactions can be summarized as "they breathed the same air". (Looking at you Inosuke x Aoi shippers)

[@BonaparteBardithion]

I thought it was "Pair the Spares" because they have characters leftover that are unattached. RomComs do this a lot by literally inventing a whole new character in the finale/epilogue to ship the rejected suitor with.

[@moonfusion9964]

@@BonaparteBardithion Yeah, it's that. OP just got it wrong.

[@travonarmstrong6093]

@@moonfusion9964 That's what I said. "only end up together because all of the other potential pairings are already taken" = "characters leftover that are unattached". It's just worded differently, with @BonaparteBardithion going over the history of the trope, whereas I go over the flaws of the trope.

[@moonfusion9964]

I'm saying you got the NAME wrong, not the concept of the trope.

[@travonarmstrong6093]

@@moonfusion9964 Ah, gotcha. I fixed it.

[@maugos]

"Obviously, they must die." That quote and image made me laugh harder than any other part.

[@arthurcarnegie9144]

Shipping and fan creations can be fun! You know. As long as you aren’t a jerk to others and you leave the creators alone. Those are the MOST important two rules that should be followed. Just don’t harass anyone and stay out of conflict. Block liberally and have your fun. It’s supposed to be a little hobby where you can make some friends and bond over similar interests, not a war zone which makes everyone miserable.

[@greenapple9477]

There are fffffffaaaaarrrrrr too many people who need to hear this.

[@metroidnerd9001]

"This entire TWA universe is a mere construct to help sell his books." Speaking of which, when's Aeon Legion book 2 coming out?

[@GrndAdmiralThrawn]

What a twist

[@rosiem.532]

God I loved that Season 2 Finale to the Sponsorship Wars, literally can't wait for Season 3 lmao

[@merrittanimation7721]

It says something about the human brain that shipping discussions can be as vitriolic as religious discussions on the nature of the universe and morality.

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

I knew _Avatar: The Last Airbender_ would get mentioned when the narrator mentioned shipping wars in a "show made for children". And then an explicit _How I Became Yours_ reference... oh my...

[@sirkillalot9892]

FINALLY. Another fellow who managed to get that reference.

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

@@sirkillalot9892 My impression was that _How I Became Yours_ was the _My Immortal_ of webcomics, and was accordingly infamous.

[@sirkillalot9892]

@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 My Immortal being THE bad fanfiction and start of Modern Mary Sue is definitely ingrained. While I rarely saw How I Became Yours in casual discussions, despite it having more unfortunate implications, tracing and photoshop. Maybe I have tunnelvision.

[@thischannelisnowdefunct1825]

Everything awful and bad with shipping perfectly sums up Miraculous Ladybug

[@sinclairethomas8197]

The entire TWA Universe is one big ad. I think, in my heart, I knew the truth. I just didn’t want to accept it.🥺😢

[@tomasmcgrath5766]

Shipping, a truly powerful weapon wielded by the most diehard twitter fangirls, who had escaped from their fallen homeland of tumblr as it died, so they can keep on shipping 2 characters who have onlt talked to each other like once or are just straight up enemies like Harry and Draco.

[@yuvenamurakumo356]

Draco and Harry? Wait to you hear about Voldemort and Harry xD

[@WarmLusamine]

Tumblr isn’t dead, though.

[@Tubular_dude_20y_ago]

@@WarmLusamine It's not that it's dead, it's just that it's no longer the live ground for shipping discourse it was like 5+ years ago. Tumblr is quieter and (from what I hear) kinda nice nowadays.

[@plantainsame2049]

​@@Tubular_dude_20y_agoVery nice A lot of fan fiction And discussions but I haven't stumbled Is into anything to vithro

[@Tubular_dude_20y_ago]

@@plantainsame2049 You love to see it.

[@TankHunter678]

Imagine for a moment a fantasy story, good old sword and sorcery, humans vs demon a conflict as old as time. Except the demons are led by a Demon Queen who wages war on humanity just so that she can instigate the rise of heroes so that she can play matchmaker for those heroes. Who utilizes her minions to create elaborate plot lines to guide particular heroes and love interests together, even if the Demon Queen must occasionally cut out the love triangles by capturing the "extra" and turning them into demons or sealing them away somewhere for use later with some other hero. In the end the heroes think they win, but their True Love ending was Just As Planned by the Demon Queen who will menace the world again probably within a few decades so she can craft another ship.

[@Newfiecat]

This is genius and terrifying

[@emblemblade9245]

Fucking. LOVE IT.

[@TheRealFrozenFire]

Now THATS psychological horror!

[@chopperjoe1998]

That sounds like a potentially incredible comedy

[@TankHunter678]

@@TheRealFrozenFire Your friends died, your comrades died, your cities burn, your religion infested and warped by cultists, greedy nobles launched a civil war that nearly tore your homeland apart... all so that a farm boy from who knows where could get laid and marry the princess because the Demon Queen, the mastermind of all of this, thought they looked cute together.

[@Alexis-vv5bk]

I LIVE for the Voltron slander. This entire video was a VLD bingo sheet and it feels good.

[@infidelheretic923]

One author who I like when asked if he ever read fan fiction, answered “No. I don’t want to ever be accused of ripping off a fan’s ideas. So I don’t read any of that.” Good advice in my opinion.

[@Noemo2000]

Missed seeing your videos! Always fun listening to JP! Hope the Aeon Legion sequel is coming along.

[@UXMetalVTuber]

He's still working on developing the love dodecahedron

[@Noemo2000]

@@UXMetalVTuber That’s great! Triangle are so last century

[@Discohater4]

Remember! If someone is getting all mad at you over a ship with their own ship, best thing to do is to say "I respect your ship, but it isn't for me". Foam will start forming on their mouth and they start to spew ancient monkey language. If it's a proship, block and report the user! Thank you for listening to my ted talk

[@happycamperds9917]

You answered the question yourself: The more romance the less shipping. Therefore the solution of this problem, like most, can be solved with a love triangle.

[@patricknaughton6636]

I think we can all agree that the best way to end a shipping war is to throw multiple minority characters with no chemistry at the black lead to keep him away from the white girl, while pairing her up with a murderous sociopath who literally strapped her to a table and told her he'll "take whatever he wants" from her. I'm not the kind of headass that has a personal vendetta against sci-fi fantasy movies but that shit still gets to me

[@plantainsame2049]

Explain please

[@chicken595]

I think they're talking about Star Wars (Finn getting paired with Rose, Rey getting paired with Kylo?)

[@allisonstarr6074]

I am. Never watched Episode 8 and 9. I can live in Finnrey denial.

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

Honestly, as someone whose done a lot of shipping, the drama is UNREAL. I’ve gotten dms of lunatics who take my ships as some type of moral failing and acuse others of abuse and bigotry over a fictional couple. I do think there are some iffy ships (like incest and pedophilia, which are kind of no brainers) but people take this shit WAY too personally, and even criticism of more iffy ships tend to devolve into harassment rather than acknowledgement of a more complex problem. A healthy attitude is to remember that it’s not real and that shipping is supposed to be FUN.

[@Jose-yt3qz]

"Demonize the character!!!!" Me: What about they just BREAK UP? That happens all time in RL.

[@CCLOSPINA]

I remember how Ron is treated like a Death Eater in fan-fics just for committing the "horrible crime" of getting between Draco and Hermione, in addition to not being handsome.

[@ChaosRayZero]

Is _nobody_ gonna talk about the "JP/Inner Critic" fanfic the girl's holding at 0:48 and 1:38?

[@josephford2226]

My issue with "shippers" is that any discussion of what characters make sense together ends up being branded as shipping. I like to discuss fiction. I like to discuss the writing of that fiction. If a character dies an emotionally satisfying death, then just out of nowhere comes back to life, that is unsatisfying writing. I will comment on that writing as such. This goes for any aspect of a story being told. If there's an instance of just outright bad writing in the story, I feel it should be commented on. So, when I comment that two characters don't make sense together, I'm not some weird shipper who just likes to see oddball relationships for no good reason. I'm just commenting on an aspect of a story that I feel was written poorly. Like Aang and Katara. They had no chemistry. Aang's feellings for Katara were written like a schoolyard crush. And, Katara never really seemed to care much about him. It didn't make sense from either direction. Hell, you can even see in Legend of Korra: their relationship sucked. Katara deserved better. Toph also deserved better. I felt like Toph and Aang had nicely complimentary personalities. But, there was also not much between them, so I can't really comment much on that either. Point being, I hate that the internet environment is such that I can't have a rational discussion on the positive and negative points about a specific part of a story without being branded as some kind of psycho with a fancy title. It's really damn annoying. Edit: Similarly, I also enjoy predicting future plot points in ongoing stories. And, I would like to be able to predict plot points that happen to be about two characters being romantically involved with each other without it being about "shipping". God damn it! I just like making predictions! I don't just think Yang and Blake are cute together. I felt like there were hints at a relationship and how that relationship would affect the plot. I'm not shipping them. I just like calling out foreshadowing!

[@emblemblade9245]

Hi there. I agree. That is all.

[@domagojzrilic3767]

For all your talk about wanting to discuss storytelling you don't seem to be doing a good job at it. You criticize the writing in ATLA about Aang and Katara's relationship and all you have to say is "They had no chemistry, Aang acted like a kid and Katara didn't seem to care much about him". It's safe to say all of that is wrong to the point I wonder if you even watched the show or if you are remembering things correctly because from what I remember Aang is a literal child in the beginning and his whole arc is learning to grow up and deal with his emotions in a mature way. That also includes his feelings for Katara. For fucks sake he gives up learning to control the Avatar state to save her life and you claim he has a "schoolyard crush", fuckin absurd. They have a fantastic friendship that's excelently developed throughout the series and Katara's feelings grow increacingly romantic towards the end, her reluctance to accept them isn't because she doesn't like him but because of her own trauma with her father and Aang's near death expirience. I really don't know how you can say that they have no chemistry when their relationship is the most prominent one and has the most veriety in interactions among every other in the show, romantic or not. I don't really need to be saying this, anyone who's seen the show can tell you that instead of repeating someone else's shitty opinion and simply picking them as your example because people know them to prop up your own argument.

[@josephford2226]

@@domagojzrilic3767 First of all, I didn't discuss it much because it wasn't the focal point of the comment. It would have made an already long comment even longer and more cluttered. But, I will agree that they had a beautiful friendship. I just don't think that friendship had to end in a lasting romance. Having a crush at one point in the story is fine and adds to the story. But, how often do people end up with the person they had a crush on when they are 10? If the story is indeed about Aang maturing, then it would make more sense for him to mature past his childhood crush.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Eh, I'd say it depends on the context of the crush Joseph. If it was simply about her looks or just because she was nice, then yeah it would make more sense for him to move on. I definitely get why you don't like the ship; all I'm saying is I've seen it done worse.

[@josephford2226]

@@fightingmedialounge519 All I have to disagree with is your use of the word "ship".

[@crungus__]

I was unreasonably disappointed when it was revealed this was an episode about romantic shipping, not transporting-things-to-places shipping

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

When the two characters are closed to each other by eye contact... *The ship fandom:* _Oh yeah! It's all coming together._ *Me:* You only had one job, Cupid. ONE JOB!

[@somethingclever4297]

Close*

[@darkpinkgirl6684]

damn, so MHA??

[@wariodude128]

Me, remembering the scene where Zoro from One Piece woke up to see Sanji having a dream and making a kissy face at him but woke up just in time: "..."

[@autobotstarscream765]

Cupid: busy building a nuclear submarine as a final solution to the shipping wars

[@RealTalk720]

shipping kid characters doesn't have to be gross. just keep it cute n wholesome. he gives her a flower, they go to the movies. maybe they kiss,but let's keep it cute, people. Try to act like you've been in a relationship with a woman b4 it's not that hard fam

[@clarenceandgennymcneil251]

Puppy love. Simple. Cute. Underrated.

[@MateuLeGrillepain]

3:03 So that's why I thought Prompto would have made a better S.O. to Noctis than Lunafreya. I swear to God her character development must have been standing under a Thwomp from Mario.

[@Sophie-zu7zi]

even ardyn would have been better imo, AND THEY ARE RELATED

[@MateuLeGrillepain]

@@Sophie-zu7zi I mean maybe it's the fact that I played with the French voices, but I wouldn't mind dinner with Ardyn myself

[@runningcommentary2125]

I'm struggling to think of a character who had less interaction with Noctis than Lunafreya. He spent more screentime with the Leviathan.

[@MateuLeGrillepain]

@@runningcommentary2125 Heck, she even looks like the generic flat character JP drew to an extent

[@vanceamazing9745]

Stopping shipping with Submarine Warfare, Is the best metaphor and my favorite writing joke.

[@ShinGallon]

2:40 It's okay, you can say "Reylo Shippers"

[@danielhartrick3022]

Well, I might me a day late to the party, but I still want to say what we are all thinking: this is the video that we need in 2022. In a world where fandom culture and the internet has revolutionized entertainment and media, we needed this satirical video to poke fun and the phenomenon that is "shipping" for the sake of everyone's sanity.

[@usshill721]

*HE FINALLY RETURNED!*

[@justicedunham4088]

The worst kinds of shippers like to push their fantasy into real life too. People can be friends without wanting to get in each other’s pants.

[@AegixDrakan]

JP: "Shipping is serious business, so I'm going to Ship all writers with this handy video on how to steer their Ship properly!" Me: "...You joke, but honestly, JP? Shipping wars have started over far *far* *FAAAAARRRRRR* less than that. This is practically a Canon Pairing by comparison" XD

[@Frerichs1962]

If you answer the Katara ship question wrong it will end poorly for you, no matter what answer you give. Its almost as bad as the Danny Phantom ship question.

[@sirkillalot9892]

Valerie race! *doesn't elaborate and leaves*

[@Falcon-doing-doodles]

The level of pettiness and barely restrained rage in this video is sheer perfection.

[@yaroco281]

7:55 I will never forget how in a fanfiction written about Danny Gonzalez and Drew Gooden it casually mentions how his girlfriend "went missing in Afghanistan"

[@Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost]

This is why I won't write any romance in my stories. I absolutely despise shipping and it kills all the enjoyment in fandoms.

[@GaribaldHludwig]

You know that won't help with nothing right? crap people will exist no matter what you choose to do so just do what you want.

[@s3studios597]

Implying that'll actually stop shippers.

[@Newfiecat]

All three of my main characters are explicitly aromantic/asexual. One's a robot, one's a 70-year-old woman and one's an insect-like alien. ...And yet I STILL can't say my story is shipper-proof.

[@britt6184]

People will ship characters no matter what the author does or says even in stories with little or no romance. Some of them even ship siblings together. So just write what you want to write.

[@CCLOSPINA]

@@Newfiecat Nice try, but the 70 year old Robot, and the insect-like alien are my new OTP. XD

[@combatwombat2134]

I absolutely despise the term shipping. I absolutely wished this was about fictional logistics but I'll watch because it's your content. 😂