TERROR in the Clouds! The Chilling Fate of Dan Air Flight 1008

[@MentourPilot]

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[@philemonchiro8981]

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[@RegenmeisterMo]

If this can be fixed please, The sound quality is not good .. not sure whats the issue, it’s just not clear! And that kicks in more clearly with the background music, its ruining the watch experience

[@RafaelOliveira-nd6vr]

Have you ever revisited the history of TAM 402. Reverse got deployed during take off!

[@gabrielmlocik5049]

@@RegenmeisterMo Sound quality is good. Maybe problem at your side?

[@PaleoVirus]

I'll be joining your patreon after the US holidays, Petter. My wife will kill me if I pay 200 a month, but I'll definitely do more than 50 usd. Your contest is important, even though I'll never fly again lol.

[@aimiliosvalvis]

I am watching this channel since 2019. I still cant believe the transformation from Petter making selfie videos from a bench in a park to full quality documentaries better than any other tv productions. Petter thanks for this content from a 30 year old avation enthusiast since a kid...

[@MentourPilot]

Wow, thanks! I’m so happy you are appreciating the work we put in!

[@coritavanderburgh7675]

Same here. Though I do miss the poodles. 😂

[@AnetaMihaylova-d6f]

​@coritavanderburgh7675 the poodles were great

[@FameyFamous]

@@coritavanderburgh7675I agree. I’m here for the information and the storytelling. The older homemade videos on the channel are well worth watching. I’d be happy with less sophisticated productions. The research and clear explanations are the most important aspect.

[@AA-lc6yi]

@@MentourPilot Hi Petter, just to piggy back off the other comment - your MH370 documentary was absolutely incredible. Cannot compliment you and the team who produce these enough, they're world class. A huge and very well deserved "tack så mycket" from me in the UK for all the hard work you guys put in 😊

[@SteveBakerIsHere]

My father was a senior radio/radar engineer working for Dan Air at the time of the accident - and he had been working on that aircraft in the previous night. So after the disaster - he was interviewed very closely to be sure that the radio nav aids and GPWS that were his responsibility were in good shape. They eventually found (as you correctly suggested) - that the plane was working perfectly - and he was definietly not at fault. But that was only accepted after weeks when my father thought for sure that he'd maybe screwed up and the deaths of all of those people were on his hands. Result was that he had PTSD-like symptoms for years after. The consequential problems for people associated with fatal crashes are typically overlooked - but even after the Spanish and British reports were published - my father couldn't shake his fear that he'd screwed up somewhere. My father was often critical about Dan Air's safety and habitually called the airline "Dan Dare" after a British comic book character of the time. It's good to hear the full story though - my dad wouldn't speak about it - so I never knew the full extent of the screwup. So - thanks for this analysis - it means a lot to me. My father died 20 years ago - but he knew in the end that he'd done his job perfectly...which ought to have made a difference.

[@TerryFarrah]

Having similar self doubt (about something far less consequential) I can understand your dad’s constant anxiety. I’m so sorry this happened to your dad and doubtless affected you too. Thanks for sharing this story.

[@Mee-EST]

In the new world all flights will be 100% safe because this is God's promise. This applies not only to flights but to all life in general. This is what is said in Rev21:4 “And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” Your Dear Father will be able to see this with his own eyes when he is resurrected along with countless millions of other people. Believe and hope.🤗

[@nickmansfield2528]

My Grandad worked for them also, in Woodford, Cheshire. Not sure if he was there during the crash, but I remember as a kid hearing the term Dan Dare. When I questioned why they called them this I was told because you had to be the daring type to fly with them. He was an engineer for them certainly in the late 80’s, early 90’s but left before they folded due to him being appalled at the safety measures being cut due to money issues. But some crashes are not the fault of the airline or anyone who worked there. I’m very happy that your dad in the end knew he did nothing wrong. But it shows what a great man he was to worry about it still, even after knowing he could have done nothing about it. Men were built differently back then. My grandad was the same. Tough as coffin nails, but also caring at the same time.

[@waynemeredith4287]

In aircraft maintenance in the Air Force I learned it was better to ask a stupid question than to have to answer for a stupid mistake.

[@MentourPilot]

Absolutely!

[@Talon12Whitey04]

​@@MentourPilotfantastic!

[@thegreyarea-WPP]

Maintenance crews are the unsung heroes of every air force. I’m not sure which air force you were in, but pilots like myself could never have done much flying without you guys. Thank you for being one of those that kept us airborne.

[@xonx209]

That goes for any aspect of life

[@JAF30]

That goes for any profession in my opinion and that setimate should be taught in schools too.

[@jeffdutton1910]

I worked in a power plant for 42 years. While mistakes in our work environment would be unlikely to result in fatalities, we still had a mantra for pre-job briefings, "It's easier to ask questions now, than to give answers later." So much grief can be avoided by aggressively clearing up the things that don't make sense at the beginning of the task.

[@nixm9093]

This is very much how you kick off any project... Keep asking questions til you know exactly what the requirements are

[@KarmatheCorgi]

It's a good practice to have in life.

[@PatienceDeckard]

Very much so

[@SquirrelRIP]

This terrible accident hits close to home. I was only 9 years old at the time, but I remember clearly my mum telling me that our neighbour’s, a young couple with their new born would not be coming home. RIP.

[@MentourPilot]

Oh, that’s terrible.. 😞

[@angelaberni8873]

So Terribly sad. My neighbour didn't come home either. He left a pregnant wife and a little boy 😢 . Cedric's plane collided with another over what was then called Yugoslavia. He was going to join a ship that he worked on. Unfortunately they called him a week earlier.😢😢

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Dreadful stories. Breaks my heart to read them, especially when such disasters are probably unnecessary.

[@TheRogey1]

​@@angelaberni8873Zagreb

[@kazefw3834]

May them rest in peace

[@neko7606]

I'm doing a KZbin detox, but this is the one channel I refuse to give up. I love listening to your videos while doing things around the house or commuting.

[@MentourPilot]

That’s great to hear! Thank you for being here 💕

[@AcidOllie]

I bet this one made for a jolly commute!

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

KZbin detoxing is important for one’s sanity.

[@davemccage7918]

This is why I only fly David Air.

[@davemccage7918]

It’s not drugs, calm down sir snowflake.

[@LouisedePaep]

The parents of a dear friend of mine were on this flight. Heartbreaking and I remember it like it was yesterday. I was an overseas rep for a tour operator, I had worked in Tangiers, Ibiza and then Malaga. Another dear friend was the Station Manager in Malaga for Dan Air and he was sent to Tenerife to assist with the search and recovery process. He said it was the worst experience of his life saying “there are something’s you just can’t unsee”. Thankfully I never had to experience a missing or downed flight in the 10yrs I worked in tourism. However, I did witness the Spantax flight that crashed in Malaga in September 1982. I was on my way driving from Torremolinos - Malaga when I saw the disastrous aborted takeoff. I was almost in its flight/crash path. Scariest sight I’ve ever seen. Thank you so much for your concise reporting of these incidents.

[@noticiasinmundicias]

Terrible che no me lo puedo ni imaginar lo de Spantax

[@NicolaW72]

@@noticiasinmundicias Spantax is a story in its one. Maybe Petter will tell it.

[@mjc8281]

Back in the 80s I was in the RAF and spent my last Christmas in the Carlisle area assisting with the aftermath of Pan Am Flight 103, really odd experience. However what was strange for me many years later the company I worked for at the time bought the assets of Pan Am so every year we would get coupons at Christmas to fly with them.. something I could never bring myself to do, it was too close to home and brought up kinda crap memories.

[@NicolaW72]

@@mjc8281 I can imagine this. Thank you very much for sharing your experience.

[@JamesStreet-tp1vb]

I went to Ibiza once. Best time I ever had.

[@adamhegedus4766]

Not installing radars, not even 3 years after having the worst crash in aviation history due to foggy weather (it happened on the ground though) is mindblowing. I love the Mediterranean culture, but maybe the "We will do it tomorrow" mentality was also part of this avoidable disaster :( Great video as always, thank you

[@zgazdag1]

Reminds me on Ajaccio Inex Adria Crash - misunderstood controller and no radar... fatal combination...

[@RicardoDawkins]

Mediterranean culture? it is the Spanish culture that we inherited here in Latinamerica.

[@smokingun397]

But the airlines who flew there could have boycotted the place until it was properly equipped

[@TheMcPhersonTape]

Mañana

[@MrGangeticus]

The political situation in the country made it worse though. This incident was a short time after Franco died, and the country was in turmoil, politically and economically.

[@sherazzzhere]

Incredible how a single missed letter could trigger such a chain of events. This perfectly highlights the razor-thin margins in aviation safety and the critical role of precise communication. Truly a case study in the importance of attention to detail.

[@MentourPilot]

Yep, and the importance of Speaking Up, when unsure about a clearance.

[@tlum4081]

I think it's time a digital text/computer generated communications system be implemented. The problem of several aircraft trying to talk simultaneously would be eliminated and poor English speaking controllers being misunderstood. Simplex communications is so obsolete. Our everyday cell phones allow duplex communications.

[@paulperkins1615]

Safety must never depend on every syllable of a radio transmission being understood correctly. That missing 's' was only one of the mistakes that all had to happen to make this crash possible. If the pilot had remembered how high the highest nearby mountain was, he could have just gone higher than that. Or done any of several other things differently instead of assuming the controller had made no mistakes.

[@stormix5755]

“Turns” is a horrible term to use in that situation. The phraseology was bound to kill someone at some point and was flawed from the start. Counterclockwise is a much better term to describe a holding pattern

[@stevemawer848]

While not life-threatening, a colleague of mine once issued a bug fix for a computer program and the user reported back that the fix had been installed and it was not working. My colleague spent a few hours looking into it and couldn't see what could fail so got back to the user who said "Oh, I should have typed that it was now working". A one letter mistake again!

[@philipjamesparsons]

My Dad was a plumber and was doing work at the home of one of the flight crew (I'm not saying which) when the accident happened. Dad still talks today about needing to complete the work with a drama and tragedy unfolding around him. Relatives of mine, living in Tenerife set up a memorial garden to remember the accident. So, this is the best explanation of the accident I have seen.

[@biggiouschinnus7489]

The CVR from this flight is bone-chilling. The flight engineer knew something was wrong, but there was no sense of urgency from the captain and first officer whatsoever, even with the GPWS droning "pull up" in the background over and over again. It's honestly mystifying. Edit: Please note I am not absolving the Spanish authorities of blame either. Not installing radar at Tenerife after the disaster of 1977 was completely inexcusable, as was the poor training given to ATCs and inadequate staffing. Combined with the poor weather, this was an accident waiting to happen.

[@MentourPilot]

Yep.. I agree

[@AnetaMihaylova-d6f]

​@@MentourPilotthe pilots were lost

[@gekud4812]

While I recognize the major error made by the ATC, frankly, if this had been a non-european crew, I wager we'd hear a lot more about bad decision-making by the captain as well as cliches regarding bad CRM and a culture of deference and so on (like korean air 801, for example).

[@vasilivh]

@@gekud4812 to get in some European stereotypes, maybe it was the British tendency to hold composure and act calm that suppressed the sense of urgency. It really is difficult to understand why the captain chose to not pull up when the GPWS explicitly tells him to. The captain seems to be the one with the least situational awareness, too bad that he was the one flying.

[@JonosBtheMC]

I still want to know why the GPWS audio changes pitch during the CVR recording. It just bugs me.

[@Kevin_747]

In the mid '80's I flew 727's into Tenerife on a contract. It was normal to have airplanes stacked in holding patterns waiting out the wx or waiting for an approach clearance. Most of the holds were not published holds. In 1985 the Dan Air accident was still at the front of my mind and I would give thorough briefings while enroute. If I had an F/O or F/E that was new to Tenerife I would tell them expect some kind of surprise and that usually happened. It was always a challenge to guess your sequence when half the traffic was using Spanish with the controllers. Back then most 727's and similar types had two ADF receivers and two VOR heads. As Mentour Pilot says, always get a clarification. The question you don't ask could be fatal.

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much for sharing your experience!

[@roadman2020]

Aren't ATC supposed to communicate in English so all can understand.

[@iankemp2627]

@@roadman2020 I think it's well established by now that the Tenerife ATC staff were supposed to do a lot of things a lot of times, but didn't.

[@patrickwahle6280]

In the 70s instructions to hold on MF beacons were common. Quite often the holding patterns were and required special “entry” procedures. Based on the inbound radial or heading to the beacon the pilot knew how to intercept the outbound radial for the procedure turn. The captain should have known ATC instruction did not make sense.

[@NicolaW72]

@@patrickwahle6280 Indeed.

[@JamesStreet-tp1vb]

"When you get the feeling that something isn't right, always speak up and ask." That's the best advice ever given.

[@jessamynsara]

Unfortunately, so many factors can influence decisions.

[@johna.camardojr6199]

He did, but the pilot n 1st officer were trying to get their bearings of what that Retart controller said. he's 101% the cause of the accident, stupid Spanish investigations deferred the blame on the pilots, so Spain didn't have to pay-out. Karma will plaque him til his death.

[@dudemanismadcool]

This is why pilots should never listen to air traffic controllers and do what they feel is best.

[@paulmarkman5247]

What a coincidence Petter! I was only this week looking at a memorial in our local cemetery here in Manchester to those who died in this tragic accident. Superb presentation, as ever. All the best - Paul

[@MentourPilot]

Thank you!

[@taku1101]

regarding the single missed letter thing... I feel like the incident where pilots flew west into the amazon rainforest instead of north because of the lack of a decimal point would claim that ..

[@RunawayTrain2502]

that's Varig 268

[@TheRogey1]

And the sun in their eyes!!

[@NicolaW72]

@@TheRogey1 Indeed. Petter did a very informative video about it at this channel.

[@AllenLongstreet]

Great episode!! Loved that one.

[@Grimmtoof]

To me that incident was worse than this one. The crew really should have been able to work out they were going in the wrong direction, Nick Fury would not have been impressed!

[@GrooveQuest]

This is one of the highest quality channels around, somehow Mr. Pilot seems to make each episode better. Keep up the good work!👍

[@MentourPilot]

Wow, thanks! That’s what we are trying to do

[@titan1235813]

​@@MentourPilot No, Petter, you're not trying; you're DOING it. Excellent, as always.

[@Flyingspann3r]

I remember this tragic accident very well. Sadly one of the pupils at my school lost both parents on it. Very sad, I often think of him all these years later.

[@HexagonalMan6]

There's an old training video of Captain Warren Vanderburgh and American Airlines giving a training seminar on situational awareness, and this video reminded me of it for obvious reasons. The thing that it reminded me of most was "if you are below the level of the surrounding terrain and you can't see out the cockpit window, and that 'where are we, what's our clearance' conversation starts up, you should be getting into the vertical and getting out of there *right now*. You don't have to wait for the GPWS to go off."

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed, exactly!

[@thoughtful_criticiser]

Dan Air and the 727 has a very special place in my heart, my first ever flight was with them in a 727. It changed my life, upon returning home I began flying lessons. A few years later I flew on that same 727 with them, I visited the flight deck and spent the rest of the flight (from the Mediterranean to Gatwick) in the jump seat. It was a brilliant end to a great holiday. Yesterday, I was officially informed that my medical has been pulled. Unless I get a kidney transplant and a year of stability my pilot days are over, in real life, I am flying the 737-800 having been trained by Petter and Ben on their wonderful course.

[@NicolaW72]

All the best for you!🍀🍀🍀 - Thank you very much for sharing your memories!

[@barbarawilcox182]

Wishing for you a high place on the transplant list!

[@B1970TBronze]

Good luck!

[@DebiQ1830]

Thanks for sharing your story! Prayers for a supernatural restoration of your kidneys or a perfect transplant match. May God bless you and keep you.

[@jperry6779]

How awful - all the best to you.

[@kommandantgalileo]

Tenerife feels cursed honestly, the amount of deadly accidents there is, scary.

[@LB1973]

Its not that surprising though. Tenerife exploded as a tourist destination with the jet age. Having an underequipped airport between two mountain ranges that was always foggy didn't help (both this and the 77 crash and also two further multifatal crashes previously were at least partly due to weather). Tenerife south was built just before this crash and now takes the bulk of flights

[@lordlundin6495]

Poor infrastructure and difficult terrain. They now made the default airport Tenerif South, which is considerably safer.

[@nixm9093]

​@@LB1973absolutely true. Sad hey

[@힐만94]

why do i get the sense this was 1977 runway collision accident happened all over again... non standard practice, lack of english, unclear guidance (in 1977, the atc said "one, two, three, third taxiway", instead of using taxiway designation).. so basically, in three years, there were no major improvement

[@AtreidesOne0000]

"Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor

[@PepeCaseres]

Man, you are such a good communicator, you could do a video about anything I would pay attention

[@MentourPilot]

Thank you! 💕💕

[@stevemawer848]

@@MentourPilot Easier to pay attention without distracting, repetitive background noise while you're talking, though.

[@exercept-mn7sw]

@@stevemawer848 If you're referring to the low-volume backing music, I've never experienced a problem with it on this channel so far. I'm personally a fan of the music choices and the lack of dynamic compression - as usually seen in modern video ads that turn the volume to 11.

[@stevemawer848]

@@exercept-mn7sw Yeah, I've not had an issue with it before this one - but with my slightly defective hearing it becomes very irritating - like a dripping tap constantly in the background. Completely unnecessary and doesn't add anything to the video experience, in fact it detracts from it. I have no idea why people spend time and energy making videos worse. Spoils an otherwise excellent resource, IMO.

[@kittenmatchvids6440]

@@exercept-mn7sw I genuinely don't even hear any background music aside from the sponsor bit, and the only noise is he'll put in like the GPWS noise sometimes

[@johnbala8345]

We were in Tenerife about a year later. Part of the fuselage was still visible from the road heading up Teide. I was 21 at the time and this memory still haunts me.

[@NicolaW72]

I can imagine this.

[@alfrredd]

I think there is still some debris there in the mountain since it scattered with such insane force.

[@dannydaw59]

Nice graphics that explain things. I'm not a pilot, but have always been interested in what it takes to fly a plane. I prefer to donate this way rather than Patreon.

[@sanandaallsgood673]

It's interesting how lack of specificity in speech causes so many accidents. Some think it's unnecessary but as you have shown here, having technical and specific terms, and the need to use them correctly, can and will save lives and insure the process is done correctly. Thank you, Peter for doing these.

[@stevemawer848]

The human reaction to poor speech is usually "but you knew what I meant!". If we had that level of understanding there'd be no need to say anything!

[@mapleext]

Absolutely! This video really shows how important standard language is.

[@gcorriveau6864]

Reminds me of the old adage: Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself." Thanks for posting.. Excellent content - as always.

[@kenbrown2808]

i have a customer who is a retired pilot, from Alaska, and it's great that I can understand the principles of aviation well enough to enjoy his own personal experiences. One of the things we talked about was that the early days of GPS did not have altitude references, so CFIT was still a hazard.

[@SanjeevShukla-h9w]

The quality of the videos, the way Petter narates and the information shared is incredible. Makes you feel that you are sitting in the cockpit with the crew and feeling the situation first-hand. Simply brilliant!

[@fridgeffs5662]

What I have learned from flying is that any time I am confused about where i am going around possible terrain and in low visibility the FIRST thing I will do is immediately climb as high as I can until I feel comfortable and only then will i start trying to navigate. Navigate after aviate.

[@Wolfeson28]

@@Larry-mk9ry Even a big jet is a much smaller object to potentially collide with than the ground.

[@fridgeffs5662]

This is the best terrain related thing i have ever heard ​@@Wolfeson28

[@ThatWouldBeCareless]

I think what I'm really obsessed with in aviation, as someone who nearly never flies, is the communication. There’s so much to learn about how humans think and communicate in these videos. You did such a good job painting the picture here... The 18:25 (ish) diagram of what the controller said vs what he meant is so clarifying and chilling... and then the pilots straight after, clearly not really understanding the conflicting instructions but trying to follow them anyway... the pilots sitting discussing the hold not making sense, knowing the controller couldn't see what they were doing... Painful, with hindsight. I remember reading comments asking why you wouldn't turn in your video of the terrain escape manoeuvre in the simulator - I feel like this is a good example of why that isn’t the thing to do. It feels like the pilots all had different mental pictures of what was going on, and there just isn’t time to figure that out and work out which of them (if any) is right. Thank you again for making these! The effort and care that goes into them from the whole team is so clear ❤

[@adamdouglas-j1o]

I am not a pilot, but i do love your fact managment analysis!! As a lawyer we too have to fact manage and watching your programme, given the outcome is often tragic, but not always, is a visceral reminder of what precise fact management is a skill that must be learnt to the highest standards. I learn something every time I watch your programmes. Thank you.

[@giggiddy]

Lawyer? Fact management??? Give me a break pal. Lol

[@adsyuk1991]

@@giggiddy There's a difference between the facts internally in their mind and the ones they present. Depending on the situation.

[@Blueteddy-kq1pj]

I worked for Dan Air Crewing when this accident happened. One of the cabin nearly missed this flight because of a traffic jam and when I spoke to her as she checked in she was so relieved to able to fly ……… sliding doors and fate is a tough mistress.

[@MentourPilot]

That’s horrible 😞

[@Blueteddy-kq1pj]

Always thought about this phonecall in my subsequent 40 year career as a pilot, sometimes luck is just against you…..however you can make as much luck as you can by being a diligent professional.

[@jessamynsara]

😢

[@sambacarlson]

"If in doubt, ...ASK!" Thank you for another great video sir.

[@Tamsuw1781]

I have told everyone i know about how great this channel is. Very interesting and informative about what guess on in the cockpit. Honestly i never knew that much was going on.

[@MentourPilot]

Much appreciated! Thank you!

[@ambirbtruckdriver]

Definitely some lessons here that apply to my field - I got confused a few days ago by an unclear GPS direction, was in a rush and didn’t double check, and long story short I’m very lucky that I didn’t damage anything as I backed my semi 3 miles down a curvy road in the dark to escape. Always double check, and don’t rush - words to live by.

[@Cranston0]

Love your work! Just keeps getting better and better. These air crash investigations are the best that have ever existed. Oh, and can you make more videos per week please!!!

[@grumpyoldwizard]

My first air flight was when I was 12, back in 1971, on the 707 and 727. That 727 seemed so big I couldn't imagine anything could be larger. Now, at 65, we safely flew to Rome, Italy. The plane was a "little" larger than that ole' 727. It was a safe trip for us. God bless you pilots. You take a burden that most couldn't imagine and carry us safely. Watching these videos has made me fell safer when I fly. God bless you too, Mentour Pilot.

[@paulbromley6687]

As a kid I met the widow and children of the captain of one of the two aircraft that crashed in Tenerife. This was on holiday in Sardinia a few years after. The boy was about my age and knew all about aircraft and aviation of course. His younger sister cried a lot as I remember probably still traumatised by the loss. I remember their mum a very lovely but sad lady doing the best she could on her own. I know I enjoyed playing, swimming and hanging out with the boy while our parents socialised. It made me a bit wary of flying even to this day knowing what can happen.

[@nolandost3070]

It's genuinely shocking how high your content quality is and how short of a production cycle you have. I believe you are top of your class in this type of content, genuinely I can't think of a single other content creator near your level of quality. Keep it up, all of your team deserves all of the success that i hope continues to grow for you and your team.

[@Arcteek]

Inventing holding patterns in a highly mountainous area is a very unusual way to guide air trafic.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed.

[@00shivani]

Especially in a non-radar airport where it’s impossible to tell if the pilots actually understood your instruction. It seems like people in the comments are blaming the pilots, but imo, the blame is completely on Tenerife and the ATC. You should have to know English. It’s “just a letter” but the lack of that letter changes the entire meaning of the statement, and you should have to know enough English to know that, and if you don’t you shouldn’t be in international aviation. Turn to the left, how did ATC not recognize, that literally sounds like telling them to turn left? The Spanish report using his lack of English knowledge as an excuse is wrong, if he doesn’t speak English, and he’s directing English pilots, that is the airport’s fault. Also, the Spanish report said, “If they just continued on the path after hearing the GPWS, they would not have crashed.” I mean, when you hear a warning, your natural instinct is to do the opposite of what you did to cause the warning, in this case, turning left resulted in the warning, so they’d want to turn right. It was up to sheer chance, in their minds, they wouldn’t have known if there was a mountain to the left or to the right, they just wanted to get out of that area. I feel terrible for the pilots because a hasty blunder on the ATC’s part resulted in the loss of many people. Sure, the pilots could have clarified, but at this point, they did not trust the ATC! When you don’t trust the first instruction, why would you trust the second. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have, but I understand their natural reluctance to clarify at that point. The pilot’s faults were so small in comparison to the ATC’s, that it seems wrong to blame the dead.

[@Arcteek]

@00shivani Thanks for reacting to my comment, and I generally agree with all you wrote ;-)

[@NicolaW72]

@@00shivani That are indeed good points. But the main and most important one seems to be: Los Rodeos Airport three years after the "Big Tenerife Disaster" and still without Radar was more than negligence, it was simply a crime.

[@nunolip]

@@NicolaW72 Tenerife South opened at the end of 1978. So the problem was being addressed and there was a safer alternative...

[@Army-q1r]

The improvement in video quality over time is incredible. You create content that not only gives goosebumps but also explains a lot of topics in the simplest and most engaging way. You are the KZbinr who sparked my interest in aviation, and I will soon make it my career. Thank you, Petter!

[@PilotGery1]

So.. - sudden unpublished proc - lack of clarification on understading for both pilot and ATC - loss of situational awareness (position) - missed or lack of GPWS escape manuver. Its sad to know that aviation safety are mostly written in blood. But also appreciate and always respect the analysis and recommendation that comes from this. Awesome video peter 👍 iam learning a lot from your channel

[@MentourPilot]

Thank you! Glad you think so

[@ancogaming]

I was born in 1977, the year of the most devastating aviation disaster ever, the Tenerife Accident, as mentioned in the video. This kinda always resonated with me, I wanted to help that this never happens again, make a difference. I became a pilot, completed training for this profession in 1999, got hired in 2000, and I'm at the company that hired me back then still, now as deputy safety manager additionally to my regular workspace as part of some well trained flight crews. This is all because of people who care, people with a vision, and the will to see it through. I find myself in a lot of Petter's statements and in his dedication to his work, I truly understand where he's coming from and appreciate every single video posted, many of which I play during meetings, trainings and hotel layovers with fellow crew members, by the way. The only thing I'm sad about is that I've never had the chance to fly with this guy in the sim, where he may be the instructor or just the one sitting next to me, doesn't matter. I feel that I've really missed out on this. I'd loved to see him work in the actual aircraft, as I'm sure I would have found some inspiration or gotten a learning experience to support my personal development. Thank you for everything, Petter. It is nice to see that I don't have to rely on being my own inspiration or seek far and wide, as long as you're there. o7

[@BataraKado]

i still remember seeing "pros and cons of being an airline pilot" over 9 years ago, petter you just keep getting better at these videos, they are like full on documentaries now, loved the addition of the "amount of times pilot has landed at airport/accident airport"

[@wilfreddv]

CFIT accidents always make my skin crawl. I cannot beging to imagine the dread the pilots must feel in the moments leading up to those events, and it's heartbreaking how these events always are always so close to not being catastrophic.

[@MWS1960]

I’ll always remember my friend who owned angling store in St. Helens dying on this flight. His youngest son decided the night before that he wasn’t going to Tenerife. His father Ken and his mother along with his sister decided to go to Tenerife for one week on vacation, I was actually a pilot with British Midland airways at the time, and I always remember sitting at the traffic light on the East Lancashire road between Liverpool and Manchester when I heard the news.

[@hollandsemum1]

Hi Petter, Thank you so much. With the operations and process engineering background, and some aviation, I really like when you dig down into that and how all the parts mesh, or don't, in these incidents. I think people generally don't understand how important details are, and especially how the many details need to mesh together in certain ways. It been my experience that that is where there are the most problems because one group doesn't think ahead as to how their work affects the next group, and the overall goal. I've also found that it's rarely outright greed but individual laziness and carelessness . The natural thing is for people to take the path of least resistance. that compounds the lack of connection between the details. Ultimately any business requires situational awareness from each employee in achieving the details and how they combine to make the bigger picture. It does help if the reason for why something is set a certain way s clear to the person working on it, and that they can ask about something with no fear of poor response. Everything requires that for success. That is also why English is supposed to be the universal aviation language. I think in some regions they don't understand that speaking the local language to a local flight means that other pilots then have fewer clues as to what is going on in a situation like this. I do know of some ATC recordings that show Chinese pilots with not enough command of English to understand ATC (one at the multi layered procedural action Kennedy is rather notable), and there are plenty of others. Please clarify "slippery" as describing modern aircraft. Less resistance along the outer fuselage skin?

[@MentourPilot]

Yep… everything is intertwined and it’s super important to understand the background in order to safe up the future. Thank you for watching

[@gaylealleluia8392]

Exactly. There is only one word that I can think of that would have made a difference: ASK.

[@Ludvigvanamadeus]

13:40 he says that the older aircraft had "much less effective wings", so I infer that "slippery" means modern wings produce less drag, making it harder to decelarate

[@NicolaW72]

@@gaylealleluia8392 Indeed.

[@gooner72]

Best aviation channel on the planet!!!! There is nobody better at writing/presenting/explaining these aircraft industry incidents than anyone else I've ever watched/listened to and, as I'm 51, I've seen a hell of a lot of aviation documentaries. Petter, thank you for doing everything you do on your channels mate, you're a Legend!!!!

[@wangofree]

The quality of story telling and graphics just get better and better. Keep up the good work.

[@samanthajanesmith9591]

This brought back nightmares of flying Dan Air on a Comet... broken seatbelts, strong smell of aviation fuel, emergency landing at Rimini and ending up with the plane stuck on the threshold with the front wheel stuck.

[@Chris-hf2sl]

Rather than "left turns", a better word to describe the direction of a holding pattern would perhaps be "clockwise", thereby reserving the word "left" for a left turn.

[@stevemawer848]

So long as, in this age of digital displays, people still know which way a clock goes round!

[@Zestrayswede]

More like counter-clockwise in this case

[@iankemp2627]

This has nothing to do with the choice of words, and everything to do with the choice to use them in a confusing and nonstandard way to poorly communicate an undocumented procedure. I guarantee you that even given a dictionary, that controller still would've managed to find a way to screw up comms.

[@aubreymoore7364]

Just a frequent and nervous passenger here. These stories are sad and terrifying, but the information actually helps, and it's so interesting. Thanks!

[@NicolaW72]

This horrible Tenerife Disaster was sadly, but understandably always in the "shadow" of the "Big" Tenerife Disaster three years earlier. But it is really worth to be remembered. Therefore thank you very much for picking it up and analyzing it!👍 First and scariest: Three years after the "Big" Tenerife Disaster Los Rodeos had still no Radar!!! Shocking and unbelievable for everyone who knows something about the "Big" Tenerife Disaster. At an Airport for which this wasn´t the first Crash but the fifth!!! - Unbelievable! Shocking! Then: The ATC performance was simply poor, especially taking into consideration that the ATC was well aware about the high terrain nearby and that he had no Radar to locate the exact position of the Aircraft. Then of course what Petter mentioned rightfully in the video as most important lesson to learn from this tragedy: Don´t say "Roger" when you mean: "I don´t understand what you want me to do". Not in your common daily life and especially not when being a Pilot fllying an Aircraft! And last but not least: Flying in a thick, dense cloud nearby high terrain, directed by an obsucre ATC isn´t obviously a good idea at all. So get out of it as quick as possible! Don´t wait for the "Pull up" instruction to sound! Get out of it and then sort the problem out or divert to another airport! - The second very important lesson to learn from this crash. And of course the third very important lesson: Equip Airports like Los Rodeos with Radar or shut them down! RIP to the victims of this totally avoidable Disaster! May they rest in Peace!

[@ajs41]

But isn't it terrible that they still hadn't installed radar (as opposed to ground radar) at the airport, 3 years after the Tenerife crash?

[@alanolley7286]

​@@ajs41inexcusable quite frankly considering the terrain and weather conditions.Spanish mindset was severly lacking in common sense.

[@NicolaW72]

@@ajs41 Indeed, it is, as mentioned, unbelievable and shocking that three years after the "Big" Tenerife Disaster Los Rodeos had still no Radar! This was the Basic Reason for everything which followed in the Crash Sequence of Dan-Air Flight 1008.

[@NicolaW72]

@@alanolley7286 Exactly. This was way more than "only" negligence.

[@ajs41]

@@alanolley7286 They were only 5 years out from Franco's totalitarian rule, so I guess it took a long time to move forward from that.

[@mapleext]

Just from watching this channel so long, I imagine the confusion the first officer had when he heard what he thought was a reference to a standard established holding pattern and could not find it in the diagram of established holding patterns (or whatever you call that diagram). Then add that “left” and all of a sudden you are guessing. So sad they did not ask. Thank God for today’s radar, although I guess it can fail and some smaller airports don’t even have towers. Rest in peace - a real tragedy. Excellent video Petter -as always.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

Been with this channel for a long time and I must say it’s one of the best 🙏

[@EXPERTISE]

Keep up the great vids!

[@gzk6nk]

I remember this accident particularly well as in 1980 I had had my pilot's licence for just over a year. Our group-owned dH Chipmunk was based at Manchester Barton (EGCB) but I often flew into Manchester International (EGCC) or obtained direct Barton to Crewe VFR zone crossing clearances from EGCC ATC back then when it wasn't anything like as busy as now. About 15 or more years ago a group of us in our local pub were talking 'flying' when a chap who looked to be in his mid 20s came over and asked if we remembered this accident, as his father had been the captain. I asked him his surname which confirmed it was the same as that of the captain. The accident had happened when he was very young but it had devastated his family, he said. Not just the loss of his father, but it put great financial strain on them as Dan Air was apparently not in a position to pay them much in the way of compensation. An excellent video, Mentour as usual. Your graphics of the Tenerife approach made it all very clear. Incidentally I remember when the first generation GPWS came into use; aircraft being vectored for runway 24 at Manchester and descending LH downwind over the Peak District would sometimes get a spurious GPWS warning if the system detected an excessive closure rate with the ground as the aircraft descended while passing over a steep-sided hill! ("Lufthansa 134 descend to 2,500 feet QNH". "Ah, OK, we're up at 6 thousand now having just got a GPWS alert"). Vince C

[@darrylstewart6243]

I have to say the quality of these videos just keeps improving the graphics and animations are stellar. The storytelling is extremely captivating and superb. Imagine what his team could do with some real backing capital. This team is awesome.. one of the best channels on YT... As a retired Hardware and Software Engineer, I appreciate and admire the time and effort that goes into making these extremely high-quality productions.

[@armacgregor]

I remember visiting Tenerife North just before the terrible runway crash or 1977 and watching aircraft circle in and out of cloud at low level between the mountains. It looked extremely hazardous I thought a the time.

[@MentourPilot]

And it likely was.. given how many accidents occurred there

[@NicolaW72]

@@MentourPilot Indeed.

[@alb.dersame]

That was so cool to see you cover those little VOR buildings. My step father worked at one here in Michigan. He also worked at Detroit Metropolitan Airport. The year was 1972. The vortac was in Carlton Michigan. My brother and I used to go to work with him there during the summer. He would unlock the gate, then let me drive his brand new duster up to the little building. Inside were several stand up machines. I would put on a pair of headphones which were plugged in to one of the headphone jacks. It was like a Morse code that went beep beep bebe beep bebebe beep followed by a voice that said "Carlton VOR" this repeated constantly. He told us that it helped guide the jets along the way. We also got to go up into the control tower at DTW. That's when I decided that I wanted to be an ATC. I had no clue (at my young age) of the responsibilities involved. I only saw these guys with mike's coming out of their headsets setting in really comfortable looking leather recliners with a spectacular looking view of the runways. Other times we went out on the runway to repair or replace runway lights and other things. We wore really big, thick headphones to drown out the loud noises of a jet flying so low overhead I could see a mosquito on the underside of a jet. I never had that opportunity again. I'm 65 now, and often wish that I could do it all over again. It was an experience I'll never forget! Love your channel.

[@peregrina7701]

I remember watching your video about terrain escape maneuvers. In this story I see the origins of a lot of that. Altitude loss due to bank angle. Not pitching up. TO/GA instead of firewalling the engines. The modern concept seems to be "wings level and climb like a fighter jet." I may be wrong but I think this might have saved the flight. Let's never forget that procedures like the terrain escape maneuver are written in blood. Thank you for the video, Petter and team. Well done as always. RIP to the souls lost.

[@williamhuang8309]

The video stated that if they had just kept flying straight, even with their descent rate they would have made it The right turn was what put them deeper into trouble

[@keithalderson100]

Had the pilot just held the altitude during the turn, given how close they were to the summit on impact, they would have missed this Hull, BUT the pilot still had NO situational awareness of terrain; so might have subsequently hit higher peaks in the general direction of his chosen course.

[@dekr5941]

What a fantastic video - so insightful and informative. It’s also worth mentioning that earlier on in the approach, ATC advised the crew to expect ‘no delay’ which would have significantly determined their perception of how the approach was to be carried out. It was also stated in coverage at the time that on the morning of the accident, the air traffic controller had learned that his mother had terminal cancer. We will never know if that was also a contributory factor in his miscommunication of the holding pattern. Thank you for making this video.

[@gliderfan6196]

In my VATSIM days, I participated in an event and there were some 14 aircraft heading to land at EPKK. There was no published procedure at that time (at least none available to simmers) and the controller invented the approach procedure that required a 270-degree right turn to be aligned with the runway. Every pilot incoming was put on a base leg, with the airport to their left, and expected to turn to 072. The instruction was "XXX007, turn right heading 072" issued when it was too late for a left turn, but the right turn was about to align the craft with the runway's centerline. There are no significant obstacles there, you know, and nobody expected to turn out from the runway. The first few pilots turned left, which was straightforward and obvious (clearly assuming controllers' error, which was all too-common at the turn of the century on VATSIM, where controllers were the same hobbyists as pilots and tongue slips and errors galore), placing themselves a few miles parallel to the desired runway. ATC was shouting "right, sir! right!!!" Some pilots tried to immediately go for the right turn and the organised approach turned into a complete mess within minutes. I think the supervisor dropped in, put the unfortunate planes on holding patterns everywhere, gave the remaining dozen a natural left turn issued at the right moment and then brought planes from holding. This shows how dangerous it is when a controller comes up with a procedure of their own that is not clear and immediately understandable to the crew on approach. Should it be at Sion or Innsbruck, the fun would quickly end with crushes to the mountainsides. The good thing was that it was not in the mountains; it was in the flight simulation platform, where things could be taken lightly. But I never forgot the experience.

[@NicolaW72]

And in this case it happened sadly in real life and ended up with a CFIT and 146 fatalities.

[@mfc4591]

I have been to Tenerife, but by ship, not by air. A bus trip into the mountains confirmed the sudden dense clouds that form there. Many people who travelled with me commented on the various air accidents there, we agreed that it was good to have sailed in and not flown in ! Thank you for the content, well produced as always.

[@wolfgangtiedemann4332]

Although the exact transcript is not shown, here are a few thoughts about ATC. You do not issue a holding clx just a minute or so before the aircraft arrives at a fix, even more so if the hold is not published. You must “clear” an aircraft into a hold, here it sounds like ATC is just describing a hold. You should issue an EAC time. You should wait until the turbo prop reports at 4T before clearing another aircraft to 5T. (probable differing descent rates, no guarantee of 1T separation) Many lessons in this vid. Good job Petr!

[@kristofferjohansson3768]

I flew for the first time in 2 years last week and when we landed I almost started to applaud, being thankful that yet another crew managed to Aviate, Navigate and Communicate.

[@arielbarreiros9694]

I’m living in Tenerife now, locals tells this interesting story about Los Rodeos Airport, it was allegedly built in a place marked by an X on a map, but the story says that the X marked the only place that should be avoided for building an airport. Some say it was a mistake, I myself don’t know what to believe, I find hard to believe an airport just gets built by error in the only place it is supposed not to be built 😅, but maybe there is some truth after it. In any case I’ve always found this story interesting and I wanted to share it. Thanks for the great content

[@NicolaW72]

Los Rodeos was built in the early 1940ies, just after the end of the Spanish Civil War and while most parts of the rest of the world was facing the Second World War. So it was built at a time when nobody could imagine the tourism industry round about 30 to 40 years later. It was used for the inter-island traffic and the flights from and to Madrid. So it was built in the area where most people lived at that time on Tenerife, nearby the then two largest Cities of the Island, the Capital Santa Cruz de Tenerife and La Laguna. At that time this looked reasonable. It´s also important to remember which Aircraft Models Iberia was flying at that time - the DC-3 and the JU-52 were the largest. And beyond Iberia hardly any other airline approached this airport back then - as mentioned: most parts of the world were involved in the Second World War and its consequences at that time.

[@jessamynsara]

😮

[@PadisherCreel]

I have heard of that story as well. Could well be true

[@billwalbek1911]

Thanks!

[@arinerm1331]

It's also relevant that GPS was in 1980 still a classified capability of the U.S. military, not released to the public until after the Soviet shootdown of KAL-007. A result of that tragedy was that President Reagan unilaterally decided to declassify the program and make it available to all commercial airlines.

[@dipling.pitzler7650]

Excellent representation of the incident with original livery, cockpits and dynamic dials showing correct readings! Downside is the strong sinking feeling due to the outstanding authenticity!

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

The first time I flew was on Dan Air. Wasn't a package holiday, but return flights from Gatwick to Munich. Just before Christmas (the family were going to Germany to celebrate with my eldest sister who lives there). Not long before landing we had the most dreadful case of turbulence, which started with a sheer drop lasting a few seconds. My brother-in-law was queuing at the loo at that moment and he ended up on his hands and knees. He crawled back to his seat, which was the centre one in our row. Unfortunately for him, my mum was on the aisle seat and was a terrified flyer. We had to unpeel her hands from the arm (we were being thrown around, side to side at the time) and eventually get her into the middle seat. The captain didn't do the reassuring chat thing, he just yelled at everyone to sit down and do out seatbelts up, and ended up with "Girls! Sit down!" at the cabin crew. Fair play though, we got there in one piece!

[@martinda7446]

Whoever does the graphics to your script is a treasure... If you do it, blimey, and well done. Like all aviation nutters we are extremely sensitive to errors. Every Hollywood movie mucks it up. Taking off in a 707. Climbing in a DC10 etc....(At the most basic). These are done so well.

[@TeQxktcg]

I’m rarely this early, perhaps you’ll read this; I like how you always emphasise how and what we’ve learned from said accident, personally I’m a abstract and associative thinker so over the years these accident reports spun a web of accidents and subsequent innovations creating a sort of technology tree or timeline. If I may be so bold I think this might be a very attractive video format, perhaps more longform then the regular format, where you instead of singling out a single accident you pick a technology and show it’s evolution through the lessens we’ve learned. This might also be the chance to re-visit older work, perhaps with new insight, different framing or simply better production. Anyway, I’m a big fan; to me this isn’t just about aviation but far more multidisciplinary and I really appreciate the effort you guys are putting in. Thank you, wholeheartedly!

[@ClevaTreva]

Stories like these remind us simmers that while we 'play' at being pilots, the stakes are never high. Not even '1ft off the ground' high. A deeply sobering tale as always.

[@Wargasm54]

It’s crazy that after all the catastrophic events on Tenerife, they still didn’t have radar by 1980. Glutton for punishment.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed, exactly.

[@samomuransky4455]

It's chilling to watch this just as the details of QS 2258 are starting to come out (especially with the simulator video showing how they were turning right into the mountain). Luckily, we have the EGPWS these days, which saved the day, but the incident could have ended up very similarly to Dan Air. Great timing for this video.

[@firstlast1932]

I think they actually did the correct avoidance manoeuvre right after the warning.

[@marvhollingworth663]

I'm British & was born a few months before this happened. I'm pretty sure I remember my dad talking about it when I was a kid. I think the worst part about it was the Captain not being properly trained in the terrain escape manoeuvre as it seems to me it's a basic but vital crash prevention procedure that all pilots should know. Even I'd know to pull up, add throttle & level wings, just from watching these videos.

[@legemetelijah9223]

I come from kenya and my childhood dream was to be a pilot but my parents could not afford .Whenever i watch your videos i feel satisfied and i have learned alot . I always watch it and go tell the story to my friends they really like it. Am now in finland and i visited Sweden 3months and i almost asked people in the street if the know you 😂😂. Hope to see you someday, you are doing something good and am proud of you.

[@StringyPete]

"Spanish investigators used this to argue that the controller didnt bear any reaponsibility" ahh, the good old days where everyone finger pointed and tried to attribute blame, a healthy culture indeed!

[@grumpyoldwizard]

Thanks!

[@MentourPilot]

Thank YOU!

[@ergodoy]

I’d love to hear more about why Dan Air’s choice of the 727 resulted in their failure.

[@mangos2888]

This also intrigued me

[@musicalaviator]

Because only 727's turn left.

[@spsallidas]

Probably highly fuel inefficient?

[@TBone-bz9mp]

According to Wiki, they were acquired on unfavourable leases, were quite old and costly to operate by the beginning of the 1990s and consequently hampered the companies ability to upgrade its fleet. Also Dan-Air never integrated with any tour operators, so when they started setting up their own Airlines, Dan-Air ended up being pushed out of the market.

[@georgeconway4360]

@@TBone-bz9mp In the early 1970s DanAir primarily operated the Comet4.

[@PaulThatcher-iu5in]

I'm an English teacher, and one of the most common errors I hear is the "loss" of the S in plurals (several turnS) and in the 3rd person present (she turnS). The result in both cases can look like a command ("turn"). Unfortunately, many learners are extremely resistant to correction on this, and it becomes a "fossilised" error, ie one that became built in to their English use early on and, seeing as in most cases, listeners understood what was meant, was rarely challenged in the learner's mental model of the language, becoming increasingly resistant to change. The concept of fossilised errors is useful in many areas, not just in language.

[@PaulSteMarie]

The instruction from the controller was horrific. No heading, no altitude, just "turn left".

[@JochenvanLeeuwen]

I can see and feel it is one of your intentions to make flying safer and I thank you for that. You are doing it with great passion and effort and you are doing a very good job 👍🏻

[@FamWay]

This is a tragic story that highlights the importance of clear communication and robust procedures in aviation. The simple misunderstanding of "turn" versus "turns" is such a stark reminder of how small errors can escalate in high-stakes environments. It’s incredible how much aviation safety has evolved because of lessons like these-pilots today are trained so thoroughly to avoid similar situations. The emphasis on better GPWS training and situational awareness is a testament to how the industry learns and adapts. A sobering but essential story to reflect on.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed, exactly.

[@kenoliver8913]

The ATC did not have English as his first language which no doubt made such a small but critical language error more likely.

[@rybrett2337]

I love this channel and petter. Such a calm relaxed man. Quality stuff. Almost production level for me.

[@EndeavourSilver]

As usual, I'm impressed with the visuals of this documentary! They really aid what you are explaining and give such a good, fitting feel to the whole video. I'm honestly surprised about the amount of major incidents around the north airport on Tenerife - didn't know about those before - and I can hardly image how scary and unsettling it would be to try to find your way around these confusing instructions with barely any visibility. It's always good to hear that there are many many things in place to prevent such incidents today - and I'm also glad that there's the southern airport now, too. Went there a few years back and it was a smooth ride :) Thanks for these videos and the impressive details you go into, explaining the chain of events! (and hello from Discord!

[@MentourPilot]

Thank you! I love hearing from my Discord crew! Yes, I’ve flown in to the south airport a few times but it has its own set of issues in the form of wind-shears.. much better though

[@thegreyarea-WPP]

Ännu en fantastisk video Petter, tack så mycket för arbetet du och ditt team ut i detta. I can see both the views of the AAIB and CIAIAC when it comes to the blame game, but as with all crashes there’s the Swiss cheese factor. The instruction from ATC seemed clear enough that they followed it, but with the charts available to them they should have questioned it from the moment they had doubts. Then again, had the copilot been listened to about continuing the left turn they would have gotten to where they were aiming for and they would know from the charts that this specific sector they were in was only a risk up to 4500ft. It’s a problem when uncertainty and doubt clouds your judgement and you make fairly rash decisions. Not climbing in the overshoot is baffling to me. I understand the sharp right bank to try to get out of harms way as fast as possible, but if you’re not going to climb, there’s no need for TOGA power. Sadly, I fear this extended the turn and played its own role in reaching the mountainside. It’s easy to sit here and say what I would have done, but I’m not the one getting told to take an abnormal holding pattern when seconds from the beacon, in dense clouds. Honestly, I cannot imagine how they were feeling at that time but I’m sure the GPWS would have spooked me a bit, so maybe I’d have made the same mistakes. All I know is that it was a very sad loss of lives that came out of confusion. I have a feeling, that may be wrong, that the Spanish language radio calls were also a factor as they would be trying to understand what was being said.

[@RobertGracie]

This crash happened at Tenerife North Airport, its same airport as the Tenerife disaster, its shocking how that airport was allowed to operate because of its weather down right dangerous!

[@MentourPilot]

As mentioned in the video, yep

[@marcellkovacs5452]

The airport still operates, the weather is still the same

[@RobertGracie]

@@MentourPilot Yeah that airport was lethal in garbage weather, most of the incidents at that airport involved the clouds!

[@TheLaualamp]

@@marcellkovacs5452 There's a good reason why most flights go to tenerife south, basically only couple of local spanish low cost airlines use it, hard to see an international carrier landing north.

[@FameyFamous]

@@marcellkovacs5452 but it’s much safer than it was 44 years ago due to radar and tighter procedures.

[@AcidOllie]

As a Brit I felt extra sad with this one. What a shame for everyone involved. 😓😓😓

[@TheNukewarfare2]

Actually, the CVR cuts out in the middle of the flight engineer’s second exclamation, “BANK ANGLE! BANK ANG-!” And that’s what makes it so difficult to listen to: the knowledge that everybody died in that instant. There one second and gone the next.

[@MentourPilot]

Yeah…

[@roeydaz]

Another superb video on a reproduction scenario of an aviation accident. Brilliant and engaging as always. As a non pilot who has been watching aviation incident videos and to shows for the last 18 years this channel is simply the best I have seen ….in my humble opinion…Thank you Mentour Pilot for a superb job!

[@saintuk70]

Always loved the Dan Air livery

[@ThomasScarpetta]

"Which is worth remembering....." Always ominous words from you and a good clue as to what is about to come.

[@zamrimoha]

hello from kenya. love how you tell the stories. been a subscriber for the longest time ever

[@MentourPilot]

Awesome! Thank you! 💕

[@FlyingDoctor60]

Petter you tell stories so well! I was not familiar with this mishap so it was a real cliff-hanger for me. When the story reached the point of the captain’s remark about heading toward higher ground and you didn’t say he pitched up I thought, “Oh no no no he’s going to turn right,” and sure enough, that’s what happened. It’s that sort of narrative talent that makes your videos so compelling and effective. Great job!

[@aniruddhakashyap6906]

Childhood: Air Crash Investigation on NGC! Now: Mentour Pilot. Thanks so much Petter.

[@MentourPilot]

Thank YOU for being here. I wouldn’t do this if it wasn’t for you

[@superjoeyman1]

Next step is reading the plane crash series of articles by Kyra Dempsey!

[@sgtg4600]

An outstanding channel. Very professional and informative. Top Notch.

[@enriquevega4480]

I´m from Tenerife,a remark about the accident:when it took place the new Tenerife South airport was operative,it was opened on November 1978,since that moment onwards airlines started gradually to move to the new airport,Dan Air was one of the last to do so,and had scheduled to move to the new airport from May 1st 1980,just 6 days later,so DA1008 was scheduled to be one of the last flights to operate into TFN,and Tenerife south didn´t feature the fog issues at TFN,moreover lack of approaching radar and criminal holding pattern instructed by the controller,main contributors ato the accident,a typical "controlled flight into terrain" accident wich were common those days,fortunately safety have improved a lot since

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed. It is really unbelievable that Los Rodeos had three years after the "Big" Tenerife Disaster still no Radar. And the communication of the Controller was dangerously poor. On the other hand: "Roger" is the wrong answer when "I don´t understand what you want me to do" is what is meaned. Therefore sadly the Pilots contributed to this crash, too.

[@richardharris7214]

Thanks. One of the most interesting accident dissections, from an era when situational and positional awareness was so important. I don't know whether it is still so, but I heard that one of the most 'feared' exercises in IFR test flights was to receive the hold instructions of a non published holding pattern [a quite legitimate ATC instruction]. Trying to mentally figure out and understand the holding pattern and hold entry method while hand flying a bouncing aeroplane in cloud is one of the most difficult tasks there is. [It is an interesting exercise to try for any flight simmer where conditions are not so bad or critical but even so, the real World mental acuity required becomes very evident].