Tesla Fights Back Against Media, China Sales Updates, Cybertruck

[@randomsonmymind6919]

I can personally say that autopilot saved my life. I'm glad that Tesla is fighting back.

[@snookmeister55]

The Verge would be sad to hear that.

[@ShirtPapa]

Would it helps if the car victims saved by FSD programme come forward to write in their testimonials how FSD has saved their lives?

[@grettirgrattmards2348]

It's certainly saved me from crashing into the car in front of me when it breaks for nothing out of nowhere. Women drivers☕

[@heythave]

If you haven’t done so, set your Tesla to Obstacle-Aware Acceleration mode so that it will brake when it “sees” something before you do.

[@billybobbob3003]

TESLA AUTOPILOT SAVED MY LIFE BY NOT USING IT

[@E59FF]

Omg. How many fatal accidents were avoided using autopilot and FSD ind the past 7 years. Certainly more than 40!

[@alexnutcasio936]

That’s why Media Matters is a Buncha liars.

[@appleapple6053]

@@alexnutcasio936 If you believe what you hear from the news media now aday, you must be joking.

[@aaronbounds1336]

Why doesn’t Tesla have a real time counter online that tallies all of the wrecks it prevents?

[@Trahloc]

That'd be great actually. Sort of like the debt calculator except we'd be happy to see it skyrocket.

[@madhououinkyoma]

Because that doesn’t make sense. You can’t prove that you prevented something that didn’t happen. The best they can do is give statistics like miles/accident.

[@floorpizza8074]

@@madhououinkyoma That is true to a certain extent, but they can at least count the number of times the "... corrective steering has been applied" message appears. The "..." represents the text that can appear prior to the "corrective steering has been applied." There are some false positives for this message, as I've seen it a few times when there was literally no one near my car, but I haven't seen any false positives in over a year now. While not an extremely accurate number, it would at least give an idea as to how often/how many accidents it has prevented.

[@haydenmacfarlane7194]

That’s a good idea, display the running sum total difference of lives lost in a Tesla versus lives that would have been lost in a Tesla if they had average safety and crash statistics

[@ctvxl]

Basic autopilot is really nothing more than just traffic aware cruise control and lane keep assist (although very advanced versions of those technologies) - I wonder why only Tesla gets called out when every other major car manufacturer has these features in their cars?

[@MarkGoldfain]

Good point and valid question. I think the answer is: Tesla has put a target on themselves by naming their tech aspirationally (e.g. "Full Self Driving version nn") and following up on that with constantly talking about where they're getting regarding those high targets. It's a mixed result with pros and cons. If you tell everyone you're going to lead, you get a lot of positive and negative press and reactions.

[@heythave]

They are two separate things.

[@muhlor]

looks like you know very little about this whole field. Tesla is the only company which released a FSD Beta to their car owners. Which has always been promoted to be far more advanced than simple lane assistance software from competitors. Very bad communication and inflated expectations all over the years by Mr. Musk himself.

[@ctvxl]

@@muhlor The article was not about FSD. It was about autopilot. Two very different things.

[@muhlor]

@@ctvxl it does not matter since a) Tesla named it AUTOPILOT and b) mainstream does not know this difference. Again, horrible communication by Elon over years. Which shows in a multitude of law suits regarding this very matter.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

If my revivifier sets his 2012 Caravan's "Cruise Control" to 45mph, Doc can still accelerate to 60mph - even 120mph. Never seen WSJ demanding restrictions on Chrysler's "dangerous technology." p.s. Chrysler trademarked "Auto-PIlot" in 1958.

[@nycameleon]

i can personally say having autopilot on more than controlled highways is a huge help, allows you to scan more for hazards. And don't get me started with trying to reach back to get the kids a something, or trying to eat while driving.

[@madhououinkyoma]

Don’t eat while driving..

[@DR.LingeringFrey]

My Honda has the same features at autopilot. It just doesn’t work well enough to not kill me. Meanwhile, my Tesla’s basic safety features and autopilot saved my wife from a severe crash … I’d say death, but she was in a Tesla, so probably would have been only somewhat hurt.

[@bohenriksson2330]

Tesla needs to sue those who outright slander them! And, yes, AP has saved my bacon too, several times!

[@myronp243]

The first publication that gets sued by Tesla for false or inaccurate information blaming Tesla solely for a crash would put a stop to all this.

[@isipwater]

Thank you Rob. 🔋⚡️🚘 Basic Tesla Autopilot is amazing and it still needs to be monitored at all times. It helps to reduce driving stress and strain and requires constant supervision.

[@xploration1437]

Hi Rob Meowrer 🐈

[@xploration1437]

@@almostthere100what are you even talking about?

[@HeroTheCat]

Fighting back on X is almost pointless given the exodist of users and sponsors. If they really want to fight back, get a spokesperson out there talking to the media!

[@johnarnold6847]

Yes! At least they could have submitted an Op Ed to the Washington Post. Not publish in his “in house” fan club publication!

[@uasiddiq]

"Handles even better than my X..." Bruh 😂

[@jschlock448]

Autopilot saved me when I fell asleep (don’t drive at night after chemotherapy for Hodgkin’s)!… However, on Autopilot/FSD it veered towards the center divider north of San Luis Obispo, CA twice at 70 mph (hasn’t done it after doing Bug Report), going to recently opened Supercharger at San Ardo, CA on FSD, took off-ramp at seventy and didn’t slow for the stop sign; I made Bug Report twice and fixed next time. Lastly, this past summer on Autopilot following another car, mine veered towards a guy holding a stop/slow sign! One must always pay close attention but I love it!

[@spleck615]

Rob you said that AP being restricted on where you can activate “is already the case” - you can activate AP anywhere there is a small segment of a lane line. That’s the only requirement, and that has long been a risk. I’m not endorsing the article, but I’m not dismissing their concern either. I even reported a pretty dangerous intersection before, and the community response was “AP isn’t designed for surface streets and intersections” (despite supporting red lights and stop signs outside of FSD) but that doesn’t change the safety implications that it can be enabled ANYWHERE that has a lane line or the appearance of a lane line.

[@scotteladd2537]

But, if you have your foot in the accelerator, it doesn’t matter if you’re on a highway or a side street with poorly visible lines.

[@spleck615]

@@scotteladd2537 If you choose to override, that’s on you. That’s different than engaging in an area because there is a lane line or something that appears like a lane line, and once engaged all bets are off it doesn’t matter if you have lane lines any more. Even just having it red hands disengage if you go into a neighborhood or roadway without lines would be reasonable. Right now the driver is encouraged to not disengage in those areas as it won’t re-engage. If it won’t re-engage, it shouldn’t remain engaged and powering through the unknown. Warn the driver and require takeover. That would solve most of their concerns. Not all, but most.

[@HenryLoenwind]

And guess what? I can activate the adaptive cruise control in every single car that has it everywhere. Not a single car out there has that geoblocked to highways. Same for lane-keeping assist---in those few cars that have it, you can activate it anywhere there are lanes. AP is not FSD. It's ACC+lane-keep with a couple of extra comfort functions.

[@spleck615]

@@HenryLoenwind autosteer is the concern. Even when the humans activate any type of cruise or adaptive cruise they are well aware they are in control because they are steering and can adapt to dangers. Autosteer is a different discussion, and no competitor allows autosteer outside of geo approved. That would be awful. Much prefer it to force the disengage on unsupported roads instead of leaving it engaged when it shouldn’t or only allowing white listed roads. They can be both smart and safe. Compromise.

[@scotteladd2537]

@@spleck615and if you choose to engage, that is up to you. The driver must take responsibility for the safe operation of the vehicle.

[@taiwanjohn]

@5:42 -- _"...claims that he was mislead..."_ Sorry, but this is one of my pet peeves: There's no "a" in *_misled._*

[@brettmciver432]

😂😂 Grammanatzi🍻🍻

[@alexedens1]

Apple really needs to install some sort of choke prevention device in their watch. I was sucking on it the other day and it got lodged in my throat. I barely survived. I mean, come on Apple, I know sucking on a watch is hazardous, but it’s still your fault.

[@Crisbas45]

Why doesn’t Tesla sue the Post for Slander it’s rather obvious isn’t it ?

[@Itsthedna]

This article "misstatement" is absurdly egregious. This is not a mistake, but rather a calculated and deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. Reporting by omission is the most dangerous kind of reporting.

[@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO]

Yes Rob is too polite

[@snookmeister55]

The Verge hoped for a bad report from the Cybertruck driver. They're an Elon hater. Bad fishing this time.

[@maxflight777]

superb content

[@EC18FEA30B]

Tesla Sweden. About 10% are striking. 13 of 130. These numbers are backed by news sources and/or registered Tesla owners on Tesla Club Sweden asking employees when having a service visit on all centers. Tesla has 10 service centers in Sweden: Umeå : 9 Uppsala : 3 Göteborg Hisings Backa : 1 Göteborg Mölndal : 0 Stockholm Upplands Väsby : 0 Stockholm Segeltorp : 0 Norrköping : 0 Malmö : 0 Örebro : 0 Jönköping : 0 These numbers should be considered fairly accurate. There is a possibility of joins/quits since date of data collection making the number +/- a few.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

8:08) If information is in The Telegraph, "honesty" is not relevant.

[@SouthernBoy337]

Why is this only for Tesla and not GM, Toyota, Mercedes or any other manufacturer with any form of highway/auto/fsd? Do all Tesla owners need to get together and class action?

[@ChitFromChinola]

If you dog on Tesla, you get clicks. Forget logic or facts or public good - all that matters is more clicks.

[@zappos49]

So what’s Ford’s plan? Don’t try to make money on the Lightening and just loose less money instead?

[@tnelly6588]

Just for the sake of the investor, I wish Tesla would push local deliveries aggressively in China during these last 2.5 weeks of the year. If Tesla misses their projected 1.8M deliveries (even by only a few thousand units), the stock will undoubtedly tank after innumerable and unyielding media headlines stating something like: "Tesla misses yearly delivery numbers again, due to cratering EV demand." A 10-15% drop in stock price wouldn't be surprising, IMO.

[@peachezprogramming]

eh who cares. I'm a long term investor. I care about them delivering 20M in 2030!

[@MrAlRats]

That's what's called a buying opportunity.

[@wizzyno1566]

If that bothers you, you're a trader, not an investor.

[@liongthe5548]

😂 wishful thinking hahaha now let us go back to reality and continue to do the hard work

[@HenryLoenwind]

If I was responsible for publishing the numbers at Tesla, I'd report 1,799,999 cars just to troll the stock market. (The early report goes out before all final numbers are in, so it always contains some guesswork.)

[@alexijohansen]

Fighting back by posting on Twitter? I don’t see how that is going to be very effective :/

[@mt2nv1]

Hi Rob, What are your thoughts on deflation in China? Could it impact consumer sentiment?

[@thosoz3431]

Perhaps you should consider just how many people are in China. There are over 500 car manufacturers there. There can be no lack of demand just as a function of how many super wealthy people there are, as those people don't have to care about deflation or other factors.

[@mt2nv1]

@@thosoz3431 it’s a fair question. If deflation is sustained it will impact demand. BYD started offering discounts.

[@michaeldew7904]

Where is autopilot not designed to be used? It's basically a cruise control with lane keep assist.

[@iCheetosbutter]

If you read the FSD manual: Roads with hills, narrow roads, construction zones and complex intersections require driver intervention.

[@michaeldew7904]

@@iCheetosbutter I didn't think the FSD manual (not really sure it has its own manual) addressed autopilot. I thought it only addressed FSD. Standard autopilot wouldn't even slow down for stop signs at intersections. That requires more than standard autopilot.

[@HenryLoenwind]

The ACC part of AP is indeed quite road agnostic, but the lane-keep part certainly has design constraints. It expects lanes to be there and be designed in roughly the way highways are laid out.

[@ricardoh.3947]

Thanks Rob.

[@MrJoe8K]

Wow only 40 accidents over 7 years?? That is better than humans 😊

[@richbl1690]

Great job as always. Thank you.

[@larrythelobster2474]

YOU MISSED THE BIGGEST NEWS AHHHHHH BOT 2.0 BABY

[@shigetsan]

Hey. Let’s not forget we need to totally stop Tesla from selling cars in Sweden and Denmark. They need to get consistent with the rest of the world Before they get to deserve nice cars. Send them back to steam engines and quiche.

[@Tential1]

"handles better than my x" phrasing.... Lol....

[@Clark-Mills]

Doesn't Elon's BFF, Bezos, own The Washington Post?

[@bubbelvis9811]

Optimus gen 2 was showed off

[@randreas69]

Who else on here had totally thought he was having a conversation with Alexa?

[@dr-k1667]

👍🏾👍🏾 Thanks Rob!

[@FrankGallagherr]

Tesla is king and I want the roadster

[@johnmacri7440]

Can we track Texas and Berlin the way we track China ?

[@abhialt]

Did you see the bot vid?

[@antonkarridian2895]

There are times, while driving on Autopilot, I feel unsafe. Generally, on the highway when passing a semi, on my morning commute. My problem is that with people constantly zig zagging in front of me, if I'm not on Autopilot, my Tesla insurance dings me for "Unsafe Following". Tesla needs to improve Unsafe Following to take into account cars mergering ahead of you.

[@darylfortney8081]

I do think they should at least add stop signs and traffic lights to autopilot, just for safety sake.

[@colingenge9999]

I agree but then Tesla becomes responsible for people sleeping at the wheel as they go through stop signs and stop lights. AP is simply smart cruise control (for speed which will slow down when a slower car is in front) and lane keeping. Determining the appropriate red light and deciphering stop sign recognition to perfection is orders of magnitude larger a task and not what you’d expect to come free with your Tesla.

[@HenryLoenwind]

You mean they should make the car ignore the driver's input and instead do what it thinks should be done? Sounds very much like autonomy to me... Remember, the guy was stepping on the accelerator.

[@darylfortney8081]

@@HenryLoenwind That’s not what I’m saying

[@ronaldlenz5745]

That's called FSD. Go to the website to understand the differences among basic TAC, AP, EAP, FSD and FSD Beta.

[@darylfortney8081]

@@ronaldlenz5745 I already know the differences… what I’m saying is they should include those features into autopilot which is already included for free on all cars otherwise you are offering for free something that will knowingly break the law and put someone at risk when used unless they intervene. What would happen if while using autopilot the driver went unconscious or just didn’t see the light or sign? The car should in any case obey the stop.

[@arkhos599]

People need to start thinking of a Tesla more like an iPhone than a regular ICE car. "Updates" over the air are not 'recalls'. That was a very disappointing piece in WaPo. smh

[@DavidBrown-dh3hw]

Not helpful to always hope for a record. The china gigafactory is working at max capacity. As long as they generally maintain the same production rate then this is great. Dont want to kill the workers building the teslas in China. They are doing better than any other factory in the world.

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

Elektrek: "Tesla Cybertruck had to be rescued after falling off an off-road trail" China car market status (by China Observer): Even 190,000 Yuan (US$26k) or 67% price cuts are not helping to get rid of cars in the lots.

[@Urgelt]

The Fed might have its attention riveted on unemployment. It's down, which suggests inflationary pressure to the banksters who serve on the Fed. They might decide to nip it in the bud before too long. But I think it's fair to say that nothing the Fed could do with small rate hikes will have any effect on unemployment. The reason is not complicated. It's de-risking and de-coupling from China. A lot of mining and industrial build-out will happen over the next 5-10 years. It has to happen. China is no longer a reliable part of our industrial supply chain. In the longer run, AI looks to be coming for an awful lot of jobs. Productivity will shoot through the roof. That will cause unemployment to soar like never before. And again, the Fed's tools will be ineffective. They really have lost the plot. They did not understand how supply chain breaks caused prices to surge, and sought to control inflation with rate hikes. Inflation is coming back down for now, but mostly that's because supply chains are working better again. But will there be more breaks? I think yes. And I think supply chain breaks may impede Tesla's product ramps in 2024 and 2025. Not stop growth, I hope. But slow it. Anyway, I don't have a lot of confidence that the Fed will adopt a policy that matters much. Wrong analysis, wrong tools. Thanks for your reporting, Rob.

[@koruki]

On top of what other owners have said. It wasn’t long ago we saw a guy fail to kill his family when he tried in a model y. That and week after week we see people in teslas wrecks that managed to walk away with their life.

[@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO]

Bet the Washington Post ignored that one.

[@_GandalfTheGrey_]

SO much FUD the past week. Biggest haters come out RIGHT when Cybertruck is released lol

[@jamespatrick5930]

Tesla should pull out of Scandinavia. The Socialist unions are trying to force Tesla is allow unions. I think they should be left to buy Volvos & Saabs etc.

[@leogala1402]

Yes sir👍

[@brettmciver432]

Soooooo 40 crashes amongst 5 millionish teslas!!? Hmmmm who really has a problem?

[@dillydily]

Will the cyber truck float? @Tesla Daily

[@nadgerz]

I can answer! "At least momentarily"...

[@celeron55]

Probably for some time. You'll probably also void your warranty. Not much different compared to any other car.

[@dillydily]

But Elon tweeted about a year ago that it would float. It better float!!!!

[@ebholoijieh4284]

China sale or china export to Europe is up

[@theshermano3000]

Please refer to it as the Washington Toast. Not "Post". It's a joke of a "news" paper.

[@sjhaji]

Yes sir

[@jjamespacbell]

Where does free speech end an slander begin with the Washington Post report.? The only reason these articles are biased is because a balanced honest report gets fewer clicks,'

[@bongobrandy6297]

In the eye of Musk, TSLA is a Free Speech Absolutist.

[@gwarlow]

If Tesla ever advertises with the WashPost, these stories will “mysteriously” disappear.

[@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO]

@@gwarlow If I was Elon I would have told Bezos to "can the crap or we won't launch your damned satellites"

[@snookmeister55]

Washington Post crash - What would have happened if FSD had not been in use at all? Same thing. Somehow Tesla was at fault because FSD was overridden by the driver. No thinking by the Post writer.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Not FSD. Cruise control.

[@snookmeister55]

@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Autopilot, I think. Yes, an advanced version of cruise. This made me wonder why Tesla doesn't just kick a person out of autopilot when it's overridden in the same manner it does with FSD - an intervention.

[@snookmeister55]

Anyway, I hope this loser of a case cost them a lot of money.

[@bobcalvo1680]

It would not be inappropriate for Tesla to disengage auto pilot with a warning to say “put your hands on the wheel” whenever someone seeks to exceed the designed autopilot limits for the use case in question. Additionally, it could prevent increasing the speed beyond those design limits UNTIL hands are back on the wheel. This would not prevent PROPER use of autopilot while making the implementation more idiot proof.

[@HenryLoenwind]

Ignoring the driver's input requires the system to be certified to drive on its own.

[@bobcalvo1680]

Since the driver is ignoring the limits of auto pilot itself, the driver should be taking over and autopilot should be disengaged. That was the point that I was trying to make. There is no point in being hands-free when you’re speeding 33% over the design limits, creating a foolishly dangerous situation. That’s a recipe for disaster and self-inflicted stupidity. We’re on our third Tesla at this point. The first had autopilot and the two that we currently own have FSD. I use it as an assistance, but I also recognize the limitations. The driver acknowledged his responsibility, and it is a shame that someone died needlessly because of his actions.

[@SouthernBoy337]

How many fatal user drive fatalities have happened? I bet more then 40. 99% of drivers are buried in their phone.

[@user-ec6ej4dp6t]

They should pause car production and build super chargers in every town in the US. We have gas stations in every town, we expect available chargers everywhere and quick 5m charge times.

[@thosoz3431]

It's chicken or the egg Except selling cars means profit and therefore survival.

[@HenryLoenwind]

We also have normal-speed chargers in every home in the US. They are called "power outlets". So before we build more gas cars, we should make sure to install gasoline faucets in every home in the US and use EVs in the meantime.

[@TheEvilmooseofdoom]

You're being more than a bit simple. YOU may have expectations but you don't speak for everyone and your reasoning is certainly not very good either.

[@heythave]

I don’t think you ever drive a Tesla; otherwise, you would know that there are a vast network of super chargers that can make your trip cross country very easily.

[@koruki]

No need they use diff materials no need to pause either

[@RFjellstroem]

👍

[@Moonwalker088]

Lets gooooo 🎉

[@steadymobbin.]

Rob

[@colllin]

Obv. Tesla isn’t at fault, BUT their phantom (false-positive) braking is a serious problem that - for myself - has created an instinct to override any braking by pushing on the accelerator. So the poor design has affected my behavior to be less safe. They COULD have designed it to err on the side of precision rather than recall, which I know is not the right decision in a level-5 system, but is a better decision in a level-2 system where they have a driver monitoring and braking as-needed. This would have taken better advantage of the supervision of the driver for capturing edge cases, aligning driver behavior better with existing cruise control, and not impacting their long-term ability to capture data and train a level-5 system.

[@royjohnson366]

G - Gas O - Oil P - Petroleum

[@tingeman]

Tesla needs to recall more than 2 million cars,due to serious errors in the autopilot,which has been responsible for SEVERAL SERIOUS ACCIDENTS. ☠☠☠

[@ronaldlenz5745]

I guess you didn't actually listen/pause/read this video.

[@ryangerrity2851]

BOT 2.0 holy moly

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

There will be revolts against self driving from drivers who just want to speed and drive aggressively... the ones doing the speeding are pretty vehement against evs these days as well because of course excessive speed nukes the range as well

[@reicherk]

You can still do that with autopilot on. You would know if you've driven a Tesla. The autopilot usually kicks off around 90 mph, according to my friend. FSD and autopilot are options. You are not forced to use them. Your insurance might be higher if you do NOT use them, but it is always your choice. Excessive speed always reduces range, however most ICE drivers are too dumb to notice.

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

@@reicherk i drive a puny little electric dacia spring... mostly at 90kph... youre preaching to the choir... but like i said... they are whiggin out now when ice cars are about to be banned in oh so very far away and indistinct future... imagine when they start putting in restrictions based on self driving

[@billnipp2309]

Dudes name is Alexis??

[@venice2823]

That's what you got from this?

[@billnipp2309]

@@venice2823 haha, yes, I'm very observant, thank you

[@iCheetosbutter]

Impressive attention span you have there.

[@lylestavast7652]

Sure. Have known quite a few man named Alexis ... also Leslie, Marion, Shirley and Michel...

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Irish. O'Hanian.

[@Sunshine-tm9fs]

I saw a title on Google re.Mr Musk with the disgusting title Elon Musk finally ran out of luck ! My comment: Mr Musk has worked on his luck with his unsurpassed talent and dedication. How little minds and evil to write such a title Mr.Musk hasn't gambled There s been o lot of sweat, blood and tears, YOU ENVIOUS people!

[@roger_is_red]

As long as elon runs X the stock will suffer. I am considering getting out of Tesla .

[@Jogeta5]

Be the dream you want to be! Buh bye 👋

[@jschlock448]

I’m dollar cost averaging out myself; had enough of Elron and Texasastan

[@heythave]

I would at least give it five years.

[@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO]

Really? who cares?

[@jschlock448]

@@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO About what?

[@crocutalcorvus444]

Go Sweden! We support you Greetings from Norway. The Scandinavian countries are perhaps the biggest believers in fair employment agreements. We do not want American conditions in our working environment! Elon Moskovite must follow the rules of the countries he operates in, not try to implement American/his own work ethic here. There is a reason why the Nordic population is at the top of the satisfaction scale, the welfare scale and the justice scale. Don't try to mess with us.

[@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO]

Very amusing - I note that Tesla supports the right of its employees to choose whether they want to join a union. The current level of bullying demonstrates the innate stupidity of the union leaders who have had global coverage and global scorn.

[@a.e.1952]

First

[@simzdevelopments4921]

I am first😂

[@sirobin171]

I love Tesla and SpaceX. Just a qualifier for what I am about to say. Elon has turned into (or maybe he always was) a giant assh-le.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

If he was just like you, we would have no Tesla or Space X

[@sirobin171]

@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 I have been invested in Tesla since 2019, when did you start fan boy?

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

@@sirobin171 Well fan boy i invested in Tesla in 2016, not like you late comesrs.

[@lan-l2w]

Tesla is losing stock. Will never see 300 ever again.

[@thosoz3431]

You probably also believe in Father Christmas .

[@xploration1437]

What an ignorant comment.

[@scottarmen9097]

Go buy Lucid it's nice and cheap. 😂

[@heythave]

@@scottarmen9097😂

[@lylestavast7652]

Thanks Rob