Tesla FSD 12.4.1 vs. Chicago & First Impressions

[@heromiIes]

This is the best camera setup for Tesla FSD

[@techgeektesla]

Thank you 🙏

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

I think highway stack is still on v11 but a few v12 features. Elon said won’t be full stack until 12.5

[@techgeektesla]

Thanks! You’re correct.

[@DerekDavis213]

Elon said 10x less interventions on 12.4.1. So what happened?

[@Nasser-bp6qf]

​@@DerekDavis213stop baiting

[@joshuageorge7246]

Just discovered this channel, and i have to say that I love your videos. The setup is great!

[@techgeektesla]

Thank you! And thank you for your kind comment. It’s feedback like this that inspires me to keep going. I’m continually working to improve the presentation and the format. If you like what you’ve seen so far, I believe you’ll enjoy the content to come.

[@andrasmosoni8913]

Thank you, I subscribed. You should make a similar video, but during rush hour. 👍

[@RobertDriskellGPlus]

John, I want to buy the T3, I trust you, and its probably not garbage. How hard was it to install? I am nervous about taking apart my model 3 but love the features of the T3, Can you make a video talking about how you installed it?

[@RubenKelevra]

8:42 pressing the accelerator to speed faster than the legal speed limit is no intervention, that's just reckless driving.

[@GenRicOpekc]

Best downtown Chicago FSD channel!

[@marklefler4007]

Love the new setup. And love your comments.

[@techgeektesla]

Thank you!

[@neilmurphy7594]

Nicely done, thank you for putting in the time and energy to produce this.

[@jonotero2148]

Great video! How has the cabin monitoring been at night. Is it still available or does it require nag at night due to lack of cabin illumination. I have a 2018 model 3 also without the IR cabin camera.

[@ChesterFanchez]

Great video, thanks for putting these out! I live in Chicago and have been curious at how well FSD handles driving downtown, I hope it'll get to the point where you can go a day without needing to disengage.

[@GS-un2xp]

Bro.. great video and phenomenal job. Please stop messing with navigation in the middle of the drive…. Let it reach the destination and punch in your next destination.. Overall beautiful setup and great content. Just subscribed to your channel. Keep up the great work.

[@robertberg8825]

I am in Chicago too...just got upgraded to 2024.14.9 tonight....but FSD did not update to 12.4.1? Any idea when I should expect this update?

[@peterhelm522]

Great video! I like the new camera setup. YOu have a great overview and see at the same time the turning of the steering wheel. Interesting to see the changes from 12.3.1 to 12.4.1 on Wacker Street and Downtown. This is a very difficult area for driving. If FSDs masters this it can handle a lot of difficult driving situations everywhere, on the other hand lower Wacker Drive is a edge case, which you scarly find anywhere. Lane change issues will be the issue for missing wide release, but great that you have got 12.4.1, must be important for Tesla!

[@techgeektesla]

Thanks Peter! Love seeing your comments and great meeting you in Chicago last time.

[@PhilipAndreGjone]

12.4 def a regression vs 12.3.6 and unfortunately it comes out right ahead of 13th June 😮 Now the 5x improvement might come at 12.4.2 or later but I would really have hoped we would see it now already . As it is now , it would have been better waiting 2 weeks more for it 🙏

[@MichaelTapes]

Your videos have really improved. Nicely done. Also camera setup for us is great! Keep up this format IMO. Thanks!

[@techgeektesla]

🙏 Thank you

[@DerekDavis213]

This test was intentionally made as non-challenging as possible for FSD, because it is early on a Sunday morning . 5:20 FSD goes in the wrong lane. *Intervention* 8:46 Narrator says 12.4.1 still has lane selection *problems* 10:02 FSD is driving very slow. 11:49 FSD hesitates on a simple right turn. Not good 12:18 Narrator says that 12.4.1 is still *lacking* pothole recognition 14:43 FSD is confused, re-routing like crazy 14:52 FSD runs a Red light . Not good 25:39 FSD takes the wrong lane, on a Right turn 27:12 FSD goes in the wrong lane, *again* 31:50 Light turns green, but FSD does not go Narrator says "Not many complaints about 12.4.1" . Yes, because driving slowly thru an empty city early on Sunday morning presents few challenges.

[@techgeektesla]

Only time I had to test down there was that early morning. Plan to be back down there again soon.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@techgeektesla Sounds good! Maybe a drive thru Chicago during rush hour traffic, or at night?

[@KirinRise]

Great stuff … always look forward to your chicago videos

[@HydroTECGaming]

Man, downtown Chicago looks so freaking cool. I never knew there was a whole underground street system. Anytime I’m anywhere near there I’m in a big rig. I’m gonna have to take a road trip in my Model Y there to experience that.

[@kunchen7026]

This video is excellently produced, it's obvious that a lot of time was spent on it.

[@syzerman07]

Great video!! Driving with FSD Beta looks very good, even in complex situations. Can't wait for the FSD to come to Europe. 🙂

[@justincrandall3313]

Thank you so much for putting together these videos. I am subscribing and really appreciate the time and effort. I was wondering in this video what year your car is I drive a 2020 model S and was wondering if I would be able to get the hands-free update

[@techgeektesla]

Hi Justin! 👋 Thank you so much! 🙏 I’m driving a 2019 Model 3. My specs are listed in the description. ☺️ The hands free update with 12.4.1 has only gone out to a limited number of people at this time. I believe it will be another 1-3 weeks before they release 12.4.2 or 12.4.3 since the Tesla team found some issues with this version. Personally, I haven’t had too many issues with it, and certainly nothing that has been unsafe compared to previous versions. I hope it can go wide soon!

[@justincrandall3313]

@@techgeektesla thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Really appreciate it.

[@fscott1134]

Lower wacker must be one of the most challenging routes in the country. I drove it for 50 years.

[@tonystorcke]

The video was great. Show more pressure situations such as Brooklyn or Manhattan.

[@DerekDavis213]

The Black Tesla channel will surely test 12.4.1 in busy NYC. He makes some great videos.

[@thomaswilliams6155]

Nice job friend. Wouldn't you know it a week after my dream of owning a Tesla came true I move to My other home in Utah. I've watched your show a lot because I like your style and I'm sentimental about Chicago roads. I'm a former limo driver in the city. You're doing a really good job. Oh yeah, I drove through that roundo in DP on my way to pickle ball. Thanks

[@zhli4238]

Almost as if it learned from itself. Awesome, this course is so challenging and you advanced AI.

[@Dr_MoosaMD]

What do you think of the idea that AGI is needed for full vision-only driving?

[@DerekDavis213]

Some experts say that sensors will be *needed* if FSD will ever reach Level 5 autonomy. Vision only is not enough, they say.

[@Dr_MoosaMD]

@@DerekDavis213 Humans can do it with general intelligence and vision only.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@Dr_MoosaMD Human brain and human eyes and *decades* of life experience are far beyond a simple FSD computer. I'm sure you would agree.

[@FSDinNYC]

As a human driver foreign to Chicago's tunnels, I would have made all the same mistakes down there. Can't wait to get 12.4.X tested in New York!

[@user-wjl1568]

Great video! Thank you.

[@alexanderbeck5998]

The Highway stack hasn't been merged yet that will come with 12.5

[@techgeektesla]

This is correct. I have pinned your comment to make sure this is clear for everyone. Highway merging and driving feels different compared to 12.3. I misspoke in this video. Thanks for your comment.

[@DerekDavis213]

This test was intentionally made as non-challenging as possible for FSD, because it is early on a Sunday morning. 5:20 FSD goes in the wrong lane. *Intervention* 8:46 Narrator says 12.4.1 still has lane selection *problems* 10:02 FSD is driving very slow. 11:49 FSD hesitates on a simple right turn. Not good 12:18 Narrator says that 12.4.1 is still *lacking* pothole recognition 14:43 FSD is confused, re-routing like crazy 14:52 FSD *runs* *a* *Red* *light* . Not good 25:39 FSD takes the wrong lane, on a Right turn 27:12 FSD goes in the wrong lane, *again* 31:50 Light turns green, but FSD does not go Narrator says "Not many complaints about 12.4.1" . Yes, because driving slowly thru an empty city early on Sunday morning presents few challenges . .

[@Nasser-bp6qf]

​@@DerekDavis213stop baiting my brother

[@constructioneerful]

Interesting drive - many thanks for the video. Intervention after five minutes isn’t quite what we were led to expect 😮 For that right only lane error at 5:15 it drove past two yellow road signs warning of the split lane prior to your intervention. I’d be fascinated to see you try that section a few times at different speeds…to see if results changed.

[@kevinfort2890]

Nice review. Looking forward to getting 12.4.1.

[@DanFrederiksen]

Was the pin on lower wacker or a deck above? somewhat unique issue but interesting if it can't tell layers apart.

[@kylepalacios2080]

Great video and great music choices!

[@wreckinball11]

I didn't see any camera report button usage. There were definitely errors to report. I lost my camera button along time ago and miss it.

[@LordStevie]

Now you have a verbal report system.

[@wreckinball11]

@LordStevie yes, but it's not great. If others are talking or the windows are down it's clunky. Quick camera press was good for minor reports.

[@MrGiggity890]

Thanks as always for the great content sir

[@nixter1nixter1]

I am excited about FSD becoming fully functional, but there is still a long way to go before the driver no longer needs to sit in the driver's seat. The idea of safely sitting in the back seat area while not paying attention to the outside is a dream that will someday come true makes me want to speed up the development process so we can enjoy it right away. FSD does seem to be a few years away continuously, but eventually, it will emerge.

[@DerekDavis213]

Yes, Level 5 self driving is still years away for FSD. Today, FSD is nowhere close to a human driver.

[@LordStevie]

You know the back seat isn’t nearly as comfortable as the front ones?

[@DerekDavis213]

@@LordStevie Then I could nap in the front seat, while a Level 5 FSD drives the car 😄

[@remingtonsypro3160]

Nice video Thanks for sharing appreciate it!! I'm on 12.4.6 can't wait for 12.4.1 But it sounds like it's on hold. 🤞 I hope they start releasing it again wide. Have you heard something on why they're not releasing it I see you had some interventions but the change in the nag is awesome. 🇺🇸✌️

[@DanFrederiksen]

Thank you for doing these. 8-10 hours is a lot so if you have a clear layout that works for the entire video there is little additional benefit to a lot of rearrangements if that can save you a lot of time. The high omni video is nice and clear. It might be slightly more informative if the corners of the car could be seen to see how close it gets but it's a minor thing. In the right corner with video of the screen you don't need the view out as well so maybe cropping that down will show the car corner. If you are self conscious about a camera high on a stick, I'm guessing that just above the windshield tesla cameras is a quite good position as well. At the right turn at 21:33 it might see the text signs on the traffic light and associate those with no turn on red signs. It might understand that the signs mean something but can't yet distinguish them. It likely has a neuron that indicates if it's a no turn on red situation in its view. That it's a cityscape with more restrictions might also weigh on its judgment. It's like a wild animal trying to figure things out :)

[@TromboneAl]

Good editing and narration! At 16:47, does it turn too early and go over the barrier? Camera view on lower right is good for seeing your interaction with the screen. Check out how Black Tesla has a summary at the end where he rates the drive on different criteria. Congrats on getting 12.4.

[@techgeektesla]

Hi Trombone AL (not AI)! 👋 Thanks. Seems it did go over the barrier a little bit. It’s a small barrier. I probably would have done the same driving manually tbh. Let’s just put it this way: It didn’t feel incorrect while driving.

[@DerekDavis213]

Black Tesla has not tested 12.4.1 yet in busy Manhattan or Queens. There will be *interventions* , for sure.

[@rvboondocker2559]

Also, you are being generous in using disengagement and interventions as two different categories. If it’s full self driving, then anything that you do is not full self driving regardless of if you change the direction at the last minute or anything like that. There’s no reason to be that generous. I am very critical when I take my car out because if I am supposed to be sitting in there as a passenger, then I reluctantly let it take longer or less efficient routes and don’t intervene or count that against it but anytime I have to step on the break or the pedal or change lanes, then it is a problem with the programming. I am on hardware 4 by the way.

[@JLars]

The no right on red is map based. Some intersections are properly marked in the map, many aren't. I have a few near me that it will always try to turn right on red at.

[@6681096]

Liked and subscribed. I wonder if it would still have troubles with a road closed sign like it did with Frenchy.

[@DerekDavis213]

FSD cannot read signs: DO NOT ENTER, or ROAD CLOSED

[@Nasser-bp6qf]

​@@DerekDavis213stop baiting brothah

[@scotttang6229]

How does it handle yellow lights as the car approaches within a few feet away? I’m currently on 12.3 and it just slams on the breaks.

[@Martinmack333]

the new setup is excellent. As always, a high quality video, thanks for taking the time!

[@モッシヒーロー-m5o]

As a result of the v12 test, do you think it will be possible to drive unmanned if there is a little more progress

[@FriedChairs]

I have the permanent license for FSD and I don’t have any disengagements that I think can’t be solved. Even unprotected lefts can be solved by not making unprotected left turns. Cameras getting blinded for various reasons is really the only difficult problem.

[@quickpstuts412]

I really like your new set up. Great job.

[@LordStevie]

Worst part of the new UI update is they made the regen bar so thin, it’s unusable. You just can’t see it from the drivers position 99% of the time. You’ll be getting strikes trying to look at it. Huge fail! Make the line wider, again, like they did the last time!

[@HarshColby]

On early versions, maybe 2 or 3 years ago, I was showing off FSD Beta to my dad. Within a block it couldn't decide which way to go around one of those many support poles, so it just went straight for it. Not a good first impression ;) It's much, much better now.

[@moomoo5198]

Is this FSD still have an issue with fast acceleration?

[@mthuhn]

5:35 correction the city and the highway is not Marge yet that will happen in 12.5. Also 19:09 I think that little pull forward was just trying to get its ass out of the other lane

[@aguyfromnothere]

I have also noticed it doesn't know how to stop at the destination. Not at my home or work or anywhere.

[@Alex-yi9xd]

Would be cool to see you do a drive with Frenchie with live commentary!

[@techgeektesla]

Would love that. I’ll see if I can arrange it.

[@thestudiouswolf]

Great video. Thanks

[@Umakant_Reddy]

I’ll be in chicago next week excited to put FSD to test 😂

[@nightshadowblade]

How would you rate it compared to 12.3.6? Let's say 12.3.6 was a 7/10, would you say this is more like a 6.5 or 7.1 etc.? People need to compare things, we need a FSDdb, similar to imdb. It should include all autonomous driving companies.

[@RubenKelevra]

The highway stack is still seperate from the FSD City streets stack. Highway stack is still V11 and may merge with FSD 12.5.

[@techgeektesla]

Thanks for clarifying. You are correct.

[@RubenKelevra]

@@techgeektesla you're welcome :)

[@GuyFromGeorgia]

Very nice video! Biggest impression, tho? Chicago streets are tire killers! Remind me not to take my care inner city.

[@aguyfromnothere]

I think the maps and FSD communication needs work. Why does it need to read signs when Apple and Google already know the speed limit? The maps need work. I have same problem every day because maps somehow visualizes a 6 lane freeway as 6 roads joining and separating. It's real weird. Maps do need help though.

[@saeed47]

The setup is amazing 🎉

[@LionheartLivin]

Excellent review!

[@quickpstuts412]

I also forgot to mention I just gave your channel a shout out on the Whole Mars Catalog video. Someone commented that FSD was getting so good that it’s almost boring. That’s because he only highlights the positive and heavily edits the negative. I like that you show the real FSD and not the ultra polished FSD that so many creators are encouraged to show. Some of these bigger channels are only about the stock prices and views. Yours is much more realistic and align with what I experience using FSD. So I appreciate you for that.

[@gohkairen2980]

no way bro started the video with the gta wasted sound effect☠

[@techgeektesla]

😂 🤣

[@HarshColby]

For not stopping at the pin, maybe it's looking for a parking space?

[@jlp0]

Most of the interventions or disengagements were related to the Nav or rerouting.

[@ranig2848]

I wish more FSD videos would test it as if this was an uber driver driving the car and not as a driving assist system. Basically, treat it as if you're in an uber - you'd never take over or jump out of an uber unless it was life threatening. A lot of the interventions/disengagement here are for convenience, not necessity. FSD demo drives should only take over when it's absalutely critical - even if it means missing an exit and taking a few minutes for FSD/Nav to figure out a new route. Same as an uber. This is the only way to asses (for you and for viewers) how close we are to Robotaxi (or unsupervised FSD). Thank you 🙏

[@tecwzrd]

Great setup and video! Keep them coming :)

[@lintsikjesplaylist]

6:55 interesting behavior. There are openings almost opposite eachother in the concrete barriers so it must have confused it for an intersection for a split second. However it realized the actual situation quick enough to not slam on the brakes

[@rlshultz5841]

It’s not really a bike lane. Those markings mean bike can use full lane. That is a standard marking.

[@lucadellasciucca967]

What is the point of the lower right corner camera?

[@wrk8999]

Wow! Carson Pirie Scott is now a Target?

[@Bob-q6v8r]

The acceleration /deceleration bar is too close to the side and too narrow. It needs to be moved out slightly.

[@larsnystrom6698]

What about that crazy left turn at 14:50? You talked about doing re-routing, but it shouldn't change its mind on the fly like that!

[@techgeektesla]

Check 14:42. It was trying to do that. I changed the route too much in this video!! 👎 Next time I will pull over and set all the waypoints ahead of time. Sorry about that.

[@GuyFromGeorgia]

Ha! Donnie Osmond, June 14! (Please remind me to miss it) 🙂

[@rvboondocker2559]

I did not get my update yet, so maybe it’s being withheld due to the issues or maybe I will get it tomorrow. Wednesday often seems to be my day. I am not surprised that you had the interventions. Others who are drinking the Kool-Aid more than you and me say that it’s amazing but this is not that amazing in my opinion. It has to at least follow the route and it did not do that for you. The first two interventions should not have been an issue, but they were.

[@sig919]

just swipe left or right on the card and it will change just like the non full screen card.

[@walterj7986]

like to see side by side test between Waymo and tesla.

[@salsej]

Any chance of a Skyway drive??

[@AngusHutton]

It Is not single stack again. Auto speed turns off on highways and visuals flicker when entering so highway is v11 still

[@eubikedude]

It seems to be called "TL Yard" not "Tilyard". 😆

[@AndreiTolnai]

Does the car have Intel MCU?

[@michaelkempter7062]

Great video! Thanks! I am from Europe and I get a feeling it will take a lot more before FSD is deserving it’s name over here. On the other hand I have to say: Chicago is terrible ;). So, I keep watching your videos. Once FSD can handle your city, it probably can handle many European cities, too 😅

[@hatomugi103]

0:07 This sound effect is ominous when you're in the car.

[@quickpstuts412]

lol. I can imagine. 😂😂

[@테슬라투더문]

시카코 길이 악몽이긴 하네요. 그래도 인간보다 더 똘똘한 모습을 보여라...인공지능을 믿는다.

[@dice268926]

Was that the tunnel from "The Dark Knight"?

[@fscott1134]

Yes. Lower Wacker Drive

[@lechavs]

Very disappointing performance IMO. I'd be shocked if this version gets 2x mpi compared to 12.3 Hoping 12.5 or 12.6 really improve substantially

[@martindbp]

Depends, you'd assume that miles to minor intervention and miles to critical invervention are correlated, but so far I haven't seen any critical interventions in any video, i.e. that could lead to a crash. It could be that the new version is a much safer driver, while being confused by some navigation issue.

[@lucadellasciucca967]

Highway are still on version 11.

[@fscott1134]

Must be very early sunday morning…no traffic.

[@techgeektesla]

Yes. I rushed to test it quickly so I could publish this video of 12.4.1. More will come in the future. 👍

[@fscott1134]

Why are you drivimg those dangerous west side neighborhoods??! Madison/Pulaski!! Did you bring an AR 15??

[@RubenKelevra]

Why don't you go into downtown and then use "I feel lucky" until it's at the destination and when it stops do another "I feel lucky" until you reach this destination - like a real robotaxi would do?

[@techgeektesla]

Great idea! Love it. I will try it.

[@mariusmeyer14]

Thanks for your effort. I reckon it'll be a nightmare during rush hour with this version of FSD. 😅

[@DerekDavis213]

And yet, Elon said....10x less interventions. 😄

[@tonyfromaus7855]

Thanks. Great vid and setup. America seems to have the highest tech and at the same time the lowest quality cities. 😁 Really grungy and poorly maintained. But you guys seem to love it somehow. Fair enough. But yeah…. if FSD can manage Chicago it can manage most places.

[@dkdanis1340]

You are comparing 0.01%. California, Florida have really good roads. You can't compare USA to germany cause the us is infinitely bigger. It's a continent.

[@tonyfromaus7855]

@@dkdanis1340 actually I was making that comment after watching lots of different FSD creators and heaps of their vids who live in a variety of places in the USA. Even some cross country road trip ones. And generally, across the board, US roads seem to suck. Even many in California and Florida. Also, just fyi, I don’t know about German roads because I live in Australia. And we have some of the worst roads in the world. But in remote areas. Mostly our city roads are way better than the ones I’ve seen on here. I couldn’t believe how some middle of the city, wealthy part of town, roads in the USA are potholed pieces of crap. That wouldn’t be tolerated in most parts of the advanced western world. But USA apparently is pathetically bad at maintenance. /rant mode over. 😁

[@tonyfromaus7855]

@@dkdanis1340 also…. the US is not a continent. It’s one of many countries in one of the two parts of the Americas…. North America and South America. USA citizens are as good at geography as they are at infrastructure maintenance. 😁

[@munggebrot]

heavy stuff! 👍

[@jobef7775]

For the record 6:08 it was following the map.

[@richardeagan7820]

They are not merged. Highway is still v11. May merge 12.5

[@paulmeynell8866]

Stack is not merging until 12.5

[@pazznecht]

Thumbs up!

[@joegrcar6677]

I think this road trip is not fair. First, as the narrator says, most people never drive the underground streets in the Chicago loop. It is a kind of an alternate reality with unusual intersections. Second, you cannot actually drive down there and zip around on normal days. All the streets are filled with delivery trucks. Third, not clear that GPS works that well through massive concrete, and up above on all side you have very tall skyscapers which block GPS signals and navigation breaks down. Fourth, Tesla self-driving is learned from user experience. With almost nobody driving Teslas down there, the AI computers have no examples to learn from.

[@DerekDavis213]

You know that even if he tested 12.4.1 on the upper streets of Chicago during rush hour, there would be multiple issues and interventions?

[@TeslaCamper92]

Awesome

[@diegofcam]

The bug concept does not apply to current Tesla AI model, They need to retrain the model and hope for the "bug" to disappear, but what will happen if the new training introduces different "bugs"