Tesla FSD 12.5.1.1 Caused An Accident To My Car!

[@Kaipiso]

Spoiler: rim hit the curb during the right turn

[@UsernameLez]

But he pushed fsd at that moment. The question is whether it would be the same result without pressing the pedal.

[@g2828cc]

@@UsernameLez how do you know he pressed the pedal?

[@TeslaElonSpaceXFan]

Thx!

[@pennyharris446]

@@UsernameLezyou’re right. I rewatched it. He pushed the car through.

[@MsOmgnowai2]

@@pennyharris446I don’t see that. where are you guys looking?

[@tangalin2000]

I feel your pain, curbing a rim is an accident my 22” wheels that got badly damaged from same issue but for me all my issues are in perfect weather. All version of 12 for me including 12.5.1.1 gets really close to curbs and have to take over some times to avoid curbing rims again. 12.3.6 messed up my 22” rims right rear side making an easy right turn. Also having navigation miss right turn off ramp from freeway so hopefully they fix that happens about 7 times, it basically is two lanes over and does not get into right lane soon enough then just passes exit. Also experiencing FSD not recognizing speed limit signs, I have a lot of them on a road home here in Texas. The curbing of the rims on FSD needs to get fixed! Just make a wider turn like a good driver does.

[@catbert7]

I have to disengage every day, to and from work, because it completely ignores the construction-zone speed limit signs on the highway. I don't get how it can handle so much and completely miss a speed limit sign every time.

[@JustAnotherTeslaGuy]

haha thanks for the support, think you're the only one I've seen that says curbing a rim is an accident. based on my car insurance, damaging the rim on the curb can be considered an accident. did you end up getting your rims fixed?

[@JustAnotherTeslaGuy]

can you use the scroll wheels to lower its speed or are you using the auto speed?

[@h-e-acc]

This is what FSD needs. Enhanced stress testing pushing the AI to its limits and beyond, specially in city streets with heavy and complex traffic and in inclement weather conditions, so the Tesla AI team can make the necessary fix and the fix goes into the next upgrade. As it is, FSD still needs to be able to read all kinds of traffic and construction signs, be able to read signal lights from other vehicles, be able to reverse, be able to park properly and be able to manage driving in heavy and chaotic traffic and inclement weather conditions. All these enhanced stress testing with the FSD and the cybertruck’s build will make for the best product and performance in the future while being adopting some of the most advanced tech in the industry.

[@lucadellasciucca967]

They have al the data they need. It s just a complicated problem. What they need is time to make the necessary steps to get to the goal.

[@DerekDavis213]

As it is, FSD is a primitive simple minded Level 2 assistant that makes frequent mistakes. Over the last 3 months, just small improvements. Baby Steps. Full Autonomy is years away. Nobody wants to *supervise* buggy beta software .

[@lor8ancg]

@@DerekDavis213 full autonomy is IM driver experienced opinion (60,000 kms/year) simply impossible with 100% reliance on cameras...based on a lot of real life driving in all sorts of good and bad to very bad weather when they stop "seeing" FSD dies immediately..no IA end-to-end hocus pocus vapour ware solution will ever solve that fundamental design failure. and very few normal drivers will buy FSD just for driving around a city (i believe their free for everyone for a month was a flop because of this issue..DSD on highway (value but useless) vs. city (useful but valueless (unless deeply deeply deeply discounted to say $2K)..i suspect the robotaxi delay will see tech additional to cameras

[@captcurthess]

Who exactly will INSURE a self-driving car? I suspect that my insurance company will put a rider on my Tesla policy stating that they are not responsible for damages when FSD (not-supervised) is engaged. Will Tesla insure? Who will show up when a Tesla runs over a pedestrian or cyclist that jumps out from between parked cars? Who will be 1st to put their child on the front seat, kiss them on the forehead, and tell their Tesla to take that child to school, then stop at McD for a burger before returning home? This ain't happening any time soon.

[@rioriggs3568]

Exactly, 100% unsupervised self-driving on all roads, at all times and in all weather conditions is years if not a decades from approval, especially without any redundancies (radars and lidars), Elon might claim it's happening next year but it's the last thing he wants... lawsuits would pile up against Tesla and bankrupt the company.

[@MykolaDzham]

It's working as intended: there is no such thing as "rain" in California

[@OCUNATechnologies]

HA. Imagine...."rain".

[@DerekDavis213]

A few months ago, California had some huge rains. You don't know Cali, bro.

[@catbert7]

It never had any trouble with rain, up here in WA, and then they added the "feature" of refusing to activate in the rain and setting off a loud warning every 5 seconds when active in the rain or at night🤦‍♂ It rains ALL THE TIME HERE!! My life is ruined.

[@kisamekinghoshigaki6116]

That's why people who own Tesla's need to upload videos like this so Tesla knows what they need to fix and be able to fix it during the next update we're supposed to help make the Tesla's full self-driving better by reporting on problems

[@JustAnotherTeslaGuy]

Thanks for the support!

[@kisamekinghoshigaki6116]

@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy anytime your videos made me want to get a Tesla even more now

[@JustAnotherTeslaGuy]

Glad my videos helped lol. make sure you use a referral to get $1000 off when you buy

[@kisamekinghoshigaki6116]

@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy will do

[@troydelgado1271]

4:02 FSD struggles reading lane markings on wet pavement? 4:03 FSD fails to enter the designated entry/opening of the left-turn lane. 4:04 FSD go past the left-turn lane entry/opening. 4:05 FSD realized it's on the wrong lane and decides to change to the left lane. 4:06 FSD fails to turn on its left-signal light when changing lane and crossed a solid white line to go to the left-turn lane. 4:53 FSD needs more training on making left turn/yield on green scenario in busy wide and diagonal intersections? 4:54 FSD creeps forward and stops for oncoming traffic. This is a very long and wide intersection. FSD should have moved further into the middle of the intersection to have better position when making a left turn into a diagonal multi lanes. 5:07 SUV cuts in front of FSD and makes a dangerous move to turn left. As if is telling FSD you are positioned too far, come closer behind me so we can make a left turn together before the light turns red. 5:12 SUV makes a left turn when traffic light turned yellow blocking FSD from making its left turn. 5:14 Oncoming car tries to beat the red light preventing FSD from turning left again. 5:17 FSD is slow to move because the car behind made a left turn from your left side forcing you to intervene by pushing the accelerator pedal.

[@DanFrederiksen]

Good test. Failures are the most illuminating. You can try that same corner in fair weather and be ready if it tries similar. It could be flustered by rain but could also be that corner. It's an unusual corner so it's a good test.

[@h-e-acc]

rim damage in the name of science 🫡

[@TeslaElonSpaceXFan]

Thx!

[@troydelgado1271]

@JustAnotherTeslaGuy Thank you for testing FSD and risking you life and car in bad weather in difficult to navigate scenarios. Reporting your disengagement will help improve future FSD versions.

[@DerekDavis213]

And that rim damage, while the Tesla owner is basically an unpaid beta tester, will NOT be reimbursed.

[@heromiIes]

Musk needs to bring back LIDAR.

[@YannR34]

They never had LIDAR, cars had RADAR and SONAR. and yes they should for many reason.

[@floxer]

They never had LIDAR. Also you are watching the driving via a video right? And you would have probably driven better just based on this recording, so not a valid argument that more sensors are needed (yet).

[@lucadellasciucca967]

Clueless.

[@lucadellasciucca967]

@@YannR34 Can you give one reason?!

[@YannR34]

@@lucadellasciucca967 Camera do not replace a Radar or a Sonar, it's complementary. Radar can see obstacle in the complete dark, or rain, fog, and even snow way better and further than a camera that can't see more than you. And guess what this is exactly when you need it the most. SONAR can see distances way better on proximity and this is why Tesla became so bad at parking. You have a white wall in front of you or just too uniform and the car can't see the distance anymore. And again it won't work well if the weather or light is not perfect, or if the camera is not the cleanest, SONAR have more tolerance to dust and don't care about light. For surrounding it's way better and precise than camera and require less ressources. Removing those sensors is money saving for the company, but not a good idea at all for efficiency and customer experience and safety.

[@Red9871]

Thanks for sharing. FSD still needs improvement.

[@allenpreval8598]

That’s so interesting. 12.5.1.1 has been working flawlessly in the rain (MY 24 HW4) this rainy week in NJ. I’m honestly shocked that people are having different experiences lol. Used it all day today and all day yesterday with the bad rainy conditions. Never messed up once! I’m talking 30-40 minute drives!

[@allenpreval8598]

Maybe it’s the driving in Newark that’s complicated for it? I’ll try that eventually

[@catbert7]

Yeah, I have never, in all the history of FSD Beta, noticed any diminished performance in the rain, that I can think of. Seems more likely the new .1 update is just performing worse in his area.

[@charbelutube]

How will it drive in snow then???

[@DerekDavis213]

It won't. FSD was already tested with light snow on the ground, and there were interventions galore. Totally not ready for prime time.

[@kafiluz4317]

Many vids outthere that proove that FSD can handle snow.

[@martincday007]

I am torn as I think FSD-Supervised is a great product but I have to push back on anyone who thinks it is anywhere near unsupervised level. FSD-Un-Supervised is looking like 2026 at the earliest. Watching people test the Smart Summon feature, which is the nearest Tesla have today to unsupervised driving, it is like watching a child take their first steps.

[@DavideMoriello]

well, FSD Smart Summon feature is 2 year old software that was never updated since release

[@winnerdanny7]

smart summon doesn't use vision models like the new autopark does

[@philb7942]

LiDAR would fix. Need multiple inputs.

[@lucadellasciucca967]

Lidar confuses, complicates and raises cost. Needs better training, period.

[@EinzigfreierName]

Totally agree. Before Tesla can start any type of robo taxi business they have to add LIDAR and radar, like anyone else does.

[@EinzigfreierName]

@@lucadellasciucca967 Anyone else who is doing autonomous driving uses lidar and radar. Why is it so "confusing" and "complicate" for Tesla? Musk says "we don't need it" but it is still not proven yet.

[@lucadellasciucca967]

@@EinzigfreierName Nobody is using an end to end neural network to develop autonomy. Nobody has 7 million cars around the world collecting data. What they need is refining the data, add compute, increase the size of the model. FSD is already orders of magnitude more competent then any other self driving software (with and without laidar) and they don t stop making progress, your reasoning is quite flawd from this point of view.

[@lucadellasciucca967]

@@EinzigfreierName The fact the end goal hasn t been riched doen t mean the method isn t proven. FSD 12 was alrady orders of magnitudes more competent then any other selfdriving software at the beginning of the year, it never stopped improving and if you knew how neural networks and data pipelines worked you d know it s just amatter of time. Smarte people then me know this. Nobody is working with an end to end neural network with 7 million cars around the world collecting data. There is no comparison to be made. To answer your question. Lidar and vision conflict with eachother. Simple example. Take a road passing under a bridge by sloping down. Before the slope begins the bridge is at eye level and the Lidar/radar is going to allert you for something that vision + intelligence woudn t. Ergo the conflict. This is an extreme example but the same thing happens constantly. P.S. Do your research, invest in Tesla.

[@StarCenturion]

Your best bet is hoping Waymo licenses its model and tech to car manufacturers. I know FSD is okay enough in regular weather conditions but this is actually awful. Just abysmal.

[@sociolocomtsac]

I think it's a completely different business model. Waymo is an alternative to taxis, and Tesla FSD is just a very good driver assist, even if Musk says he'll have robo-taxis next month (I doubt it).

[@StarCenturion]

@@sociolocomtsac Things can change in a decade or two. Totally agreed on all fronts though.

[@csadler]

This garbage camera only FSD will never work. Please don't kill anyone with it.

[@catbert7]

Funny that other companies are starting to switch from lidar to camera-only then. FSD is going to continue to improve for the foreseeable future. Human brains, such as yours, however, have reached their (very low) peak.

[@JamesAnderson-lq8tf]

When most US EV manufacturers license FSD from Tesla you can come back and apologize for being a clueless fool.

[@catbert7]

3:05: Fails to pass traffic. 4:48: Fails to take gap at unprotected left and slow to go. Intervention. 5:55: Weird, busy intersection. 6:48: Slow to go after red light. Intervention. 7:53: Wanders into lane-change without signaling, apparently due to losing lane lines. 8:06: Stops lane-change halfway through, straddling lane line. 9:03: Slows for no apparent reason. Intervention. 9:40: Runs over curb on right turn. Disengagement. Not a fan of the bombastic title. People do not think curb-rash when they see "Accident!" This spreads misinformation. I also am not convinced this is a rain issue. Was your previous drive on this route not on a different version? I have never, in all the history of the Beta, had FSD perform noticeably worse in the rain, and I live in WA. Losing track of the lanes, at 7:53, I could definitely believe was caused by rain, as even humans lose track in the glare. But, otherwise, it all seems unrelated; just poor decisions. Even the lane-tracking is poor decisions, as humans lose track of lanes too but can extrapolate where the lines are.

[@BRUBRU_FIRE]

Thanks for review! From SouthKorea❤

[@JustAnotherTeslaGuy]

Thanks for watching and the support!

[@matthiasheymann]

Not good, but not an “accident”. Clickbait title -> blocking channel

[@pennyharris446]

Agreed.

[@JustAnotherTeslaGuy]

It’s not the accident that you’re thinking of where it hits another car, person, etc. But it did hit something by accident and caused damage to my wheel. What should I title it instead?

[@jackwilliamburgess]

​"In an accident" I would say , not caused an accident. It sounds more (to me at least) that it caused someone else to crash, or you crashed into someone else​@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy But a fair commentary in the rain

[@carlagat1075]

My Tesla broke my wheel?? ​@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy

[@donhill1825]

He probably uses "pledged" & "donated" synonymously too... Accident implies a collision of some sort. Click bait

[@lucidf8]

I wouldn’t use FSD in the rain. Not unless the streets were in great condition, and there was no flooding.

[@digitaldreamer8637]

Wake me up in 2030 when its ready.

[@sanjeevsivalingam]

Looks like everything is on track for the launch of RoboTaxi / FSD (Unsupervised) sometime in 2026/27 ish at the rate things are going.

[@gsmith2520]

In two weeks, months, years, decades it will be ready. Hehe

[@John-yw5cg]

That sucks man… Curbing the rim is the worst feeling. Then after a week I’m over it but I’m sorry man.

[@allencrider]

Needs radar.

[@catbert7]

Radar would do literally nothing to help with this issue, bro.

[@allencrider]

@@catbert7 I disagree. If the car cannot see because of rain, then it needs radar to sense mass.

[@kenion2166]

@@allencrider you have no idea how radar works lmao

[@allencrider]

@@kenion2166 Ha ha ha

[@altafvhora]

Unfortunately we are not there yet! And Elon and the Tesla FAD team knows it very well, that's why they keep on pushing the dates. Which is in my opinion fine, the Autonomous driving is a tough nut to crack and Elon and his team are trying really hard to somehow make it a reality. There are still thousands and thousands of edge cases to be solved. Hopefully one day they will have regulatory approval for generalized driving solutions.

[@franki3Ru550]

Every 2 weeks I check if self driving is there. I see the same comments like yours, lol.. I guess I will check fsd next month and look at the same comments like your agian lol

[@brock8752]

​@@franki3Ru550Why would you check every 2 weeks and expect it to randomly be autonomous? An fsd software update doesn't mean that update completely solved it. The goal is for each update to inch closer and closer to actual autonomous driving. If you're checking to see if it becomes autonomous in the future, just look out for the regulatory approval that they will need. What a weird thing to check so often.

[@gsmith2520]

​@@franki3Ru550I check once a year and still not fully self drive. 😟

[@jnstroik]

please do not test this on public roads. it's putting people in danger.

[@namei8967]

Not an accident. Actually you should sue the designer of the stupid corner.

[@theophanemayaud]

It’s a bit hard to see exactly from the video but it seems to extend out a little and not be rounded off !!! Wtf I punctured my tire once on a stupid corner like that !

[@AllCarbone]

FSD was not trained in rainy weather so much. As soon as there are enough videos to train it, behaviour should get better.

[@kafiluz4317]

this has nothing to do with rain training. This corner has to be trained.

[@AllCarbone]

@@kafiluz4317 I think it is the same problem. If the detection of the lines is bad, the corners will also not be detected well. This was clearly visible at the shaking steering wheel, some seconds before hitting the curb.

[@kafiluz4317]

@@AllCarbone Remember FSD 12.3? It was very often too close to curbs. But it had nothing to do with detection. It was just not a good curve behaviour in general. This type of corner here has to be specifically trained. I bet this case can be reproduced in good weather condition as well (of course not every time), and I bet it won't always happen in rainy conditions as well.

[@septopus3516]

i get a nice chuckle when disaster strikes "tesla guys". please keep testing softwares in real life for Tesla! no.sympathy 😂😂

[@jessiejanson1528]

BS title aside... The road was drawn about 50 feet to the left, so to the map you were on the sidewalk or in a building. Which might be why the car approached at a weird angle. That said it's hard to make it where the sidewalk even was, it looked flat to me. If you are familiar with the area you probably shouldn't have let it turn so soon.

[@onlyrandomness]

What a terrifying accident!

[@matty7834]

Did you watch the video? that was probably the least terrifying accident possible

[@Met_Ethio]

​@@matty7834 Do you understand sarcasm?

[@matty7834]

@@Met_Ethio no

[@rioriggs3568]

Honestly I see very little progress in the last years. Nothing that would lead me to believe FSD would get regulatory approval for 100% unsupervised self-driving on all roads, at all times and in all weather conditions any time soon. Not sure if folks realize Elon is the only one seriously claiming self-driving is happening "next year". Actually he's been saying that since 2018. I believe he's just trying to keep Tesla relevant especially now that they are losing major market shares and volume to the competition. Let's be realistic, even if FSD was almost perfect to the point it would only cause one minor accident (less than $5,000 in repairs) per five years, that alone would make the FSD program unprofitable. If the self-driving Teslas caused damage to other people's property or to humans, it would bankrupt the entire company in no time. An insane number of lawsuits would pile up against Tesla. I didn't even talk about the Robotaxi model, it probably will never make any sense.

[@dabrain22video]

yes accident in the title is bad all the tsla bears are going be going crazy on it.

[@devinliang]

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[@Temporaryaccount2]

Clickbait. Rolling over the curb is not an accident, but it is still unacceptable. How can FSD function as a robotaxi if it can barely handle rain let alone snow?

[@pennyharris446]

Exactly. This is clickbait.

[@JustAnotherTeslaGuy]

It hit the curb and it caused damage to my car. Maybe I should change the title to FSD damaged my wheel?

[@Temporaryaccount2]

@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy yes, otherwise the implication is there was a collision between two vehicles.

[@33butterzucker33]

The question is whether FSD makes fewer mistakes than a human, how many scratched rims are there? A lot... There will always be accidents with FSD, it is simply impossible to drive on roads without accidents.

[@Temporaryaccount2]

@@33butterzucker33 The point is it makes significantly more mistakes than a human in light rain currently, as seen in this video. It needs to significantly improve in suboptimal weather conditions before it can be viable as a robotaxi.

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[@doanduzz]

yikes

[@kafiluz4317]

This has absolutely nothing to do with rain. As you can see in the rendering. This type of corner is the problem.

[@JustAnotherTeslaGuy]

I took this exact same turn on my other video, with cars there and it made the turn.

[@fedderd]

Haven’t tried it in the rain, but I’ve had FSD cut the corner on the street where I live during a night drive. Always handles it fine during the day.

[@kafiluz4317]

@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy FSD 12.3 had many problems cutting curves. But it had nothing to do with rain or sensors. Just bad behaviour that has mostly been fixed with specific data.

[@lucadellasciucca967]

How you ask? By keeping on training the model like they ve done the past 6 months. Just a matter of time. Do your resaerch, invest in Tesla.

[@syproful]

The problem is that a human is able to make a mistake, because of his own liability. The car is not allowed to make any mistake, because that puts a liability on the whole system. This is what people like you seem not to understand. The reason Waymo uses a shitload of sensors is not because they can't make it work without. It's because it's a multi tiered shield that protects it from stuff happenning. And if something happens, you can back it up legally. There is no questioning that Tesla cracked the code for self driving on vision. We see it every day happening. It's that they aren't ready for a public deployment because you need a whole legal and practical framework to protect their own brand. It will happen, just not tomorrow and certainly not, with just HW4 as it is.

[@billjohnson3022]

FSD "caused and accident". Wrong! The driver caused it, he is supposed to be in control at all times.

[@JustAnotherTeslaGuy]

It made this turn in my last video. I know it was raining and I still turned it on. This was the result.