Tesla Just Fired Their Entire Charging Team! Impacts, Future Supercharger Sites, & Industry Shakeup

Kyle discusses the ramifications of the major Tesla charging devision layoffs.
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[@be-golf8374]

One of the long term affects of this that I have not seen discussed much is the harm done to Tesla's ability to attract the best talent. Tesla just fired an entire department that was inarguably the best in the industry. Why on earth would anyone who is high value talent want to go work for someone who has shown a total lack of appreciation for industry leading talent?

[@tucker9162]

There is more to the firings than we on the outside can see. Elon is an impulsive child and if someone stands up to him, he throws the whole department under the bus.

[@stefndogg]

100% . I work in the industry (not related to charging), and I know people who have worked there as well. Based on their expierences, and this latest example, I wouldnt consider working there at all. Layoffs are for sure part of the industry, but they are usually done somewhat logically, and there is some effort to maintain a positive company culture. From what I have heard, that has been horrible these last couple years at Tesla.

[@zapperone7]

Great point!

[@robertorion6559]

That is very true. I will never work for a company that thinks its technology workers are "fungible". That is a sure sign that those in charge do not understand technology.

[@tarody3953]

Are you really that oblivious to their reputation as an employer?

[@mabutarif]

It baffles me. Tesla could’ve just spun off the charging network as an independent company and many automakers would’ve jumped all over it!

[@MendicantBias1]

Elon is an entrepreneur not a CEO. Time for him to step away.

[@AaronStarkLinux]

I thought the same many times. Tesla Supercharger as an independent company, and at service of everyone since the very beginning. Like Kempower does.

[@ultrastoat3298]

Go start a company then you can run it lol

[@AaronStarkLinux]

@@ultrastoat3298 True that, it's not that easy.

[@MendicantBias1]

@@ultrastoat3298 starting a new company and leading a worldwide multibillion dollar corporation are different beasts. Elon is good at the beginning part, not so great at the sustain and build part.

[@paultaylor765]

As a Tesla customer, this was a stupid decision. The main reasons buying a Tesla was its charging network was expanding. So here in Australia, we are very thin on chargers.😢

[@metaldreams3595]

Hey Paul? Take a look around this comment section. Go to 3 or 4 other videos and peruse the comment sections there. His decision that you think is so stupid...is caused..maybe you better sit down. He made the decision because of what has happened and what is to come...caused by an ever growing army of twits, twerps and dipshts that fill the comment sections of every EV video on the largest platform in the world. And if you need more convincing, look for people in the comment sections that are exactly...like...you. Not only is it millions of Anti Musk Super Twerps but its CURRENT TESLA CUSTOMERS jumping on the Anti Musk RoboTwerp Network of Idiots sheepwagon. Hope you sat down. Oh and the worst part? The twerps dont even know what theyre talking about. Its amazing, and pathetic. They will destroy the company..or heavily damage it and turn around to me and say "See? I knew Musk would screw it up."

[@manuelvikingo7767]

STUPID DECISION IS TO BUY A EV CAR

[@metaldreams3595]

@@manuelvikingo7767 Well...what about the environment? Drawing a big blank huh? Eyes glazing over? Yeah ever thought this EV thing might be important? Don't hurt yourself trying to come up with a response.

[@manuelvikingo7767]

@@metaldreams3595 I DRIVE A NISSAN SENTRA 1996 RUNS GOOD AND STILL DRIVE IT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS THAT MEANS THAT I PURCHASE A CAR EVERY 50 YEARS A KID LIKE YOU THAT BUY EV HAVE TO BUY BETWEEN 7 OR 10 CARS IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME MULTILPLY IT FOR THE MILLONS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT TRY TO SAVE THE PLANET CONSUMING CARS AND IF YOU HAVE COMMON SENSE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR EV GIVE MORE POLLOUTION TO THE EARTH THAN MY 1996 NISSAN PLEASE DONT HURT YOURSELF TRYING TO COME UP WITH A RESPONSE

[@robertking3098]

Volkswagen/EA needs to hire these people and put the supercharger network out of business.

[@jsonlee01]

“The maintenance technicians are still there.” Wait till next week’s announcement. Lol.

[@AaronStarkLinux]

Wait until tomorrow lol

[@tangoESPECIAL]

Especially after slashing Service Center labor….

[@Dhairyasd]

If you only look at it from the perspective of a person trying to crazily reduce expenditure, like Argentina's president, you would remove the one's that cost the most, the one at the top cost Tesla the most. I think the maintenance technicians are fine, at-least, for now.

[@Json918]

Elon has given 100's and thousands of families jobs and done more than enough in 1 lifetime than any of these virtue signaling internet warriors. I'm sure he doesn't know what he's doing and needs advice from 🤡

[@GregHassler]

As are the manufacturing staff, the real estate team that identifies locations, etc.

[@TheTravelingTank]

Tesla just casually breaking up their own monopoly lmao

[@bikergeekgd]

There could be some truth to this.

[@rickyaz8640]

Treble damages for antitrust violations such as a monopoly. Just getting ahead of the lawmakers

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Th lead Tesla has is quite enormous vacationing is an option

[@PaulWilliams14]

I actually agree and think Monopoly concerns could play a part.

[@bikergeekgd]

@@PaulWilliams14 I believe that it was more of a case that the big charging network players came to Tesla. They told Tesla that they will adopt NACS and data/software in return for Tesla slowing the expansion of their Supercharger network.

[@benblankenburg]

I have been a follower and fan of Elon's work since 2010 which led me to defend many of his highly questionable decisions over the past 4 years. For those of us following from the beginning it was easy to look at his great early work and give him the benefit of many, many doubts believing that his goals were noble. I can no longer do so. Since the payout of the first huge compensation package his actions appear more ego driven and less (if at all) focused on the mission statement of Tesla. The world needed a mass produced truck at a reasonable price and he took enormous company resources to create a polarizing, impractical, expensive and extremely hard to produce product of his ego. He has now cancelled the affordable EV and vaporized the most successful charging roll out on the planet. As he maneuvers for more ownership of the company and massive compensation packages he cuts costs by eliminating the income of the working class employees and raises the prices to consumers. His actions and leadership no longer represent anything noble or remotely impressive. I anticipate it will become harder and harder for him to convince everyone he's the smartest person in the room as we witness his dissension into the simplest of human failures, greed and ego.

[@metaldreams3595]

I rarely get this angry. When he began planning the Cybertruck...when was that you think? I really dont know but I would guess...ten years ago? Eight at the least I would say. Where was the EV market at the time? Barely was one. So Mr. Former Musk fan, you believe the design was ego driven right Musks former #1 fan? Do you remember the interest level of the Cybertruck when it was announced you could put down a deposit and get on a list to get one? Hey where are you going? Come back..okay. Youre going to make up stories its a rule you have to sit here while I show how much bs it is. So, hindsite being 20/20, when designing the truck..before the market for EVs was even established, do you think he should have designed it to be much more utilitarian in appearance? Cos interest level went through the roof. So....Mr #1 fan...man with fans like you...who needs enemies? Huh? And he vaporized the supercharger station rollout and the whole department right? Guess what Mr. #1 fan? You wont believe why he did it. I want you to go on the wolds most visited site that everyone goes to...oh were here already. I want you to go to 4 or 5 EV videos and I want you to look at the comment sections. You will notice that they will be filled with former #1 Musk fans. I call them the Know Nothing Anti Musk Robotwerps. And I know you are an esteemed member. I clearly proved you dont know anything. So the comment sections filled with the twits and twerps...have you frigured anythign out yet? All these bad things are happening....Oh my gosh...cos of you. You and all the others. Ironic huh? I suppose after the damage is done you will turn to me and say "See? I knew he would screw it up". Thats exactly what you will do. Think about what it is you all are attacking. Think about what happens if youre succesful. The EV market is in its utter infantcy. Very fragile. What in the hell are you people doing?!!

[@FDchief904]

This is mind boggling. Let’s remember this when it’s time to vote on a new compensation package.

[@quarksounds]

The time is right now, there is currently a shareholder vote open on it. Check with your brokerage.

[@Resist4]

I voted against him receiving his compensation package! Elon can't seem to focus on Tesla anymore and fires loyal talented employees.

[@haleboy2828able]

Voted today. F Elon. He needs to go.

[@ross798]

Musk worked for free with a compensation package that only paid him if Tesla met certain goals. And the package was not for a salary, but Tesla stocks. When the agreement was made, Tesla stock was a tiny fraction of what the price is today. However, he did not get paid that compensation package, in spite of meeting the goals. So, he has now worked for how long for free?

[@Resist4]

@@ross798 He may have worked for free but got funds against all the stock he has. You may think he's been working for free but he hasn't been. If he had then he wouldn't be the richest man in the world.

[@schm147]

Who the hell would want to work for Tesla at this point, knowing they could randomly lose their job at any time?

[@richardjohnson8009]

Your mom might?

[@MrXimbicas]

I think at any complaint you can lose your job at anytime

[@MarkLauzonTheStoneGuy]

😂

[@playin4k611]

@@MrXimbicas My company isn't run by a drug-addled moron.

[@Tential1]

Same people who work for Netflix, or Amazon, who have far more demanding culture. Lol. And have a vicious culture of cutting people. They purposely make people quit.

[@mcrkon]

If Elon truly fired Rebecca because she was protecting her department and pushing back on a number of layoffs, that would be sad and stupid.

[@4literv6]

Wrong, it would be business as usual working for Elon! He has publicly said managers have only 3 options to his instructions&emails. 1 do what I tell you to do, 2 quit if you can't or 3 inform me where I'm wrong. She made her choices&Elon stayed consistent. 👍🏻😎

[@curtisbme]

@@4literv6 There is no option 3 for pedo guy. Way to far gone as a pathological narcissist to ever believe that he could be wrong.

[@patricke3848]

​@@4literv6I think him being consistent is what's sad and stupid.

[@jmolyneauxful]

Aye. The K seems to have flailed him.

[@jbhorner]

Yeah. But you're talking about a guy who has absolutely no concept about what leadership means.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Don't panic...don't panic, OK, PANIC!! 😂

[@sirnh]

I owned three Model S's in the past. I watched the company go from customer-first to stockholder-first-and-only. I was tempted to order my new photovoltaic system from Tesla until this news came about and it reminded me why that was a stupid idea. You just never know when Mr. Mercurial Musk is going to pull support and rip you, the customer, off. I think the reason he let go of the entire team was to demonstrate his power. Rebecca Tinucci was probably told to lay off a chunk of her team, the team that has continued to out-perform as far as everyone can tell, and she resisted. I think Musk decided to just wipe them all out as a demonstration to the other Tesla executives: "Hopefully these actions are making it clear that we need to be absolutely hard core about headcount and cost reduction" By the way, you know what no one has talked about? What about all of the service people that were laid off? Tesla doesn't have enough service centers nor techs to service the cars they have out right now, and they made it just that much harder to get your car serviced into the future.

[@psylee8687]

And an expensive car

[@PhilKulak]

Wow. Just when you thought Elon forgot about Tesla he decides to make it the next Twitter.

[@dfberry]

Yeah, but Twitter -- ah, X -- is alive and well!

[@trevormf]

@@dfberryX may be alive, but I don’t know about well.

[@dfberry]

@@trevormf It ("X, formerly known as Twitter") is referenced daily on the news.

[@aussie2uGA]

Elon saved Twitter from government control, maybe he is doing the same on the superchargers.

[@texleeger8973]

@@dfberry References, income, profits, and massive debt are quite different birds.

[@JW-mx3qg]

I’m just curious how demoralizing this must be for other Tesla employees. They must be wondering, am I next? Hard and passionate working for a person or company is not always well rewarded

[@sprockkets]

Those who are actually good move on to other companies because they dont' have to put up with the bullsh. This is something that the CEO of GE Jack Welch did years ago - it killed them.

[@lukewalker1051]

You obviously have no idea about the auto industry. Everybody is on the chopping block.

[@nettlesoup]

To be frank, this would just make me more hungry to work better and more intelligently. If I thought I was becoming a burden on the company, or I was coasting along in a job I could easily do every day without challenging every aspect of what I'm doing, then I probably deserve to be fired. I work in a small company with many fellow employees who make obvious mistakes every day that cause untold overheads on the rest of us. If all those underperformers could be legally let go and we could take time to hire one or two new very good replacements, that would be very good for the company's future. Terrible for those employees let go for sure... but that's life. Their loss is the gain of someone new who can do their jobs many times better.

[@Dou6.2]

It’s been like this for two years fyi

[@jonathang6920]

The layoffs will continue until morale improves!

[@Mr.Torres-Mr.Towers]

Yup the layoffs keep coming if you live in CA keep an eye out on the WARN act. Tesla isn’t done with the layoffs until June.

[@NorCalTRACON]

“Cyber truck is a stupid idea” Elon: “Hold my beer. “

[@okaygoogle1582]

when someone asks me why i chose Tesla over another car manufacturer, I always say it was because of charging network.

[@ultrastoat3298]

Its gone now. Return your car. 🤡

[@CondoreComputing]

One of the big 3 reasons for me. If this happened 4 months ago I may not have bought my model 3 LR and waited on Rivians newer options.

[@markeh1971]

@@CondoreComputingHi, this could be the long term outcome of this action. If you have no faith 8n the actions of the company when you are making a big purchase than yo7 may choose a competitor. Take care M.

[@CondoreComputing]

​@markeh1971 Definitely, I still really do like my car and plan to have it a long time, but these kinds of decisions are not confidence inspiring.

[@jasonriddell]

@@CondoreComputing if your Tesla is a 2021 or newer OR has had the CCS conversion done you can charge at any NACS station OR the supercharger stations around

[@obibrenbenobi]

Teslas supercharger network is what really sets them apart. So seamless. Without it they wouldnt have gotten where they are today...

[@Json918]

Elon has given 100's and thousands of families jobs and done more than enough in 1 lifetime than any of these virtue signaling internet warriors. I'm sure he doesn't know what he's doing and needs advice from 🤡

[@tyranelewis7763]

EXACTLY CORRECT!!!!!!!

[@harrygroundwater2590]

Yeah I agree

[@AHungryHunky]

Well their cars are certainly not very compelling on their own

[@Json918]

@@AHungryHunky drive your luxury honda civic, I'll drive one of the safest best selling cars on the road.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

I was accepted for a service advisor position but I declined it because I had other goals after sending my application. Now, everyone at the service center who told me I should really consider taking this opportunity to work for Tesla has left. When I brought my Model Y in for service, they were all gone. LOL. I wonder if I would have been fired too if I had accepted the job four months ago, before these recent layoffs.

[@simplygregsterev]

My local service center cleaned house as well. People who had been there since day 1 as well.

[@markeh1971]

Hi, I worked as a contractor for a while in the UK and this is how businesses view contractors. You are short term, no job security, less entitlements and you have a dead date from the start. You are also the first to go if anything happens which could be the driver for this in reducing costs. So why would you want this as an employee! Take care M.

[@Resist4]

Soon enough Elon will feel the repercussions of this decision, when no one will work for Tesla.

[@cutehumor]

@marsplaystudio. those people at the service center owned themselves

[@metaldreams3595]

You want your mind blown? You really wont believe why all this is happening. Haha you just....I swear, you wont believe it. None of you will. WHo am I talking about? Oh just the people who are the reason its all happening. You silly little.....look at the comments....9 out of 10 are anti Musk. You people who couldnt explain why you turrned on him...are killing the market. Its you!!

[@brucewilson3170]

I bought my first EV 3 years ago. My wise wife said "anything but Tesla". I did some digging and agreed, for a combination of reasons, but Elon was a big one. An interesting irony is that I'd just listened to the Harvard Business Review article on "How Bad Leaders Get Worse over Time". I thought about Elon in listening to that article.

[@Idiotsincarshere]

so what EV did you buy?

[@lickalotlickalot2210]

Sure it wasn't because Elon's was more right leaning than left? There were folks who would love Tesla until they learned that Elon seemed right leaning. Then Tesla was garbage! When Elon fired a bunch after he bought Twitter, some women were upset at him because most employed at the time were women in high positions...but they were more the activists than productive members! And they were diversity hired!!! X is now better with less employees!! Elon was right! But he pissed off the left side by not being woke enough!

[@metaldreams3595]

Now why in the world would your wife say anything but Tesla THREE YEARS AGO?! You little weasels are prolific liars and I knoiw thats peobably not true. But to say that three years ago could warrant a mental evaluation. You want your little mind blown?! Bruce your mind wont even be able to process this...but if you were telling the truth or not actually.... The reason why all thios bad stuff is happening to the EV market....is you. YOU!!! Look at the comment section!!! 90% ARE ANTI MUSK!! YOU SHEEP ARE KILLING THE M,ARKET!! ITS YOU!!

[@LearningFast]

“That’s a bold strategy Cotton. Let’s see how it works out for them.”

[@rwjr1944]

This is either a colossal mistake or there are issues that are known only a few people at Tesla.

[@GridConnections]

I think a large part of this was to send a message internally at Tesla (which seems like a big gamble), but there were also a lot of products teased by Tesla for release in the second half of last year that never came to fruition. I think this is a few different things in one: A message internally for layoffs, response to the market towards EVs/belt tightening and prioritize a focus on delivering products again. We’ll see if this works, or if they also end up rehiring some people, but this has happened at Tesla before just not so publicly or extremely to this team specifically. I’m not sure I’m even optimistic looking forward, but any Tesla news is always big news, so my guess is this getting blown out of proportion. Coincidentally Tesla is still probably in the best position to respond and be fine within 6 months so overall changes might not be noticed in the end to the consumer (other than maybe total number of new location roll outs).

[@anydaynow01]

When they came out with the new standard that was their death nail. The new Superchargers are all the tech that's needed for some time. They don't need a team to role out the tech they already have. That, and BEVs are on a level streak right now, not a lot of exponential growth is going to happen for a few years.

[@starseeddeluxe]

@@anydaynow01 Can you explain what you mean about them rolling out their new standard? My understanding is that recently, every single major car company in North America, including GM, and Ford, have agreed to make the Tesla charging port as the "North American Standard" charging plug. One company refused, but they won't be able to refuse. That means all the cars in North America made in the future, will have the Tesla charger compatibility. So Tesla already WON the game. They won. They have all the companies under their dominion, because they are the owners of the "North American Standard" charging port now. It has even been approved by SAE, and will be an official SAE standard. I am not an expert on these terms, or the politics, or monies involved, but my point is, Tesla didn't need any major new innovations right now, and they can afford to fire ALL of their charging team. Provided that their software can be maintained, they already have control (indirectly) of the entire charging grid in North America. I also saw a vision (just a wild guess and speculation on my part) that Tesla will control the ENTIRE POWER GRID in America in the future. This is because Tesla will be the only company capable of replacing the entire power grid (for obvious reasons).

[@mikcole4794]

I think one inside issue was reluctance by the SC group to quota firing.

[@Json918]

Elon has given 100's and thousands of families jobs and done more than enough in 1 lifetime than any of these virtue signaling internet warriors. I'm sure he doesn't know what he's doing and needs advice from 🤡

[@ludwigbear]

Elon did say that Tesla stock would be worth zero if they didn't complete FSD. By wiping out departments such as supercharging he can make true on his promise of value destruction.

[@George2647g]

"Confusing"?! I'm a TSLA investor since 2010 and sadly it's not confusing at all Kyle.. A manchild CEO didn't like that one of his reports failed to give him full obedience and so he overreacted by damaging the worlds entire transition to sustainable transport in the process.

[@pandatactical4530]

Nice Try 🤡🤡🤡

[@VTShaggy]

Pretty much

[@Zupdood2]

He’s definitely a manchild, but trying to understand what you mean by “one of his reports failed to give him full obedience.”

[@George2647g]

@@Zupdood2 look at other top comments or news articles or even just elons own words where he points out these actions were taken so other executives take his words that he wants 10% of all employes in all teams fired. He got pushback from a strong female leader of supercharger team, his little ego felt hurt, so he took actions in the name of his own ego, tesla be damned. I’ve followed tesla long enough to know that elon doesnt always work in Tesla’s best interests.. especially over last couple of years.

[@MaximGhost]

Sell your TSLA shares and go away.

[@lh2338]

I agree with commenters who point out that Tesla is proving to be an unreliable business partner. It sounds like this layoff decision was hasty and not thought out. Usually, layoffs at a company of this size are planned approx 3 months in advance from a variety of angles. The fact that bounce-back emails didn't even redirect recipients to an alternate Again, that should have been planned in advance.

[@timovneerden]

Well, as an european, I’m happy that here Tesla got to adapt to the CCS2 standard, and not the whole industry to Teslas standard. Here, all the cars, except the oldest ones (who use Type 3 or CHAdeMO, for instance), are CCS2, including Tesla, and everyone can charge on none-Tesla chargers. To put it in other words: unlike in the US, in Europe, Tesla doesn’t rule anything.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Ok, so you're not smart...

[@LuvingToryChristman]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Nah...we're just a little less of an Idiocracy...(yet!)

[@bikeaddictbp]

There are times when the EU bureaucracy is overbearing or gets it wrong ... and there are times when the EU bureaucracy gets it right, the decision to standardise CCS2 being one of them. (USB-C was another one.)

[@andrewt9204]

Hard to say if that would have even mattered here in the US. The other operators are pretty terrible in comparison. It's possible if everyone agreed to use either Tesla or CCS at the very start, things would be different, but hard to say. America's general reluctance to EV's is the real killer I feel. Tesla should have open sourced their connection from the beginning. It's one of the downsides to being first at things. Once you create something (Tesla creating the 1st mass market connector in this case) it can be hard to change. Similar to our home power grid, we started at 120V for outlets as it was good enough, and our stubbornness to change before it's too late is not a good trait for progression. I wish we would have ditched 120V right away and at the very least went with just the 240V phase to phase.

[@davidglieder8862]

CCS2 is a shitty plug though, could be designed so much better and smaller

[@techismycologne]

I just want to know what's going to happen charge port wise. Are automakers going to revert their plans from going to NACS and rollback to the standard CCS connector?

[@aaronbusi5703]

I’m feeling better about selling all my Tesla shares a few weeks ago. Elon did pretty well with the earnings call but firing the whole supercharging team proves Elon has lost his mind. I love my Model 3, Tesla Solar and 3 Power Walls, but I fear for the future of the company with Elon’s recent actions. I hope things will turn around and that Tesla will have a bright future .

[@nuketheswamp7774]

He hasn't lost his mind (anymore than usual). He's just trying to remain solvent until the company can find a path to sustainable profitability. The major hurdle there is people who have tried the technology are now rejecting it.

[@patrickcorcoran4828]

@@nuketheswamp7774 The major hurdle is people who want EVs don't want to buy them from a guy who agrees with racists and antisemites on Twitter. My mother and aunt were both going to get Model Y's in 2023 before Musk agreed with Scott Adams racist Twitter rant. The corridor between us and Grandma only has SuperChargers, so no Tesla means no EV. Mom's signing a lease on a PHEV tomorrow, hoping that by the time its up shareholders will have sued to remove Musk or the network will be open to other EVs. After firing the whole SuperCharger team the first scenario seems more realistic than the second.

[@Resist4]

@@nuketheswamp7774 He's clearly lost his mind. You don't fire loyal talent and expect to succeed!

[@metaldreams3595]

Hello Aaron.. man oh man is Musk 5 steps ahead of everyone or what...your comment in its entirety and others like it from Tesla customers is what bolstered the basis for why everything is happening. No one can see it but ,me. Isnt that modest of me to say? lol Oh but Im right. Every single datapoint only confirms my theory. Scan through the comment section here...and 5 other videos. Maybe youll figure it out. Its the idiots. Its these people!! And lookk at you. You sold your stock and him firing them proves hes lost his mind. Smh....wow I cant believe it. 2024 sales quarter one? First quarter ever thats so bad. What people are missing and not understanding is that only cos of Musks amazing, multiple innovations has the EV market been created and become so solid....BUT ITS STILL VERY FRAGILE. Its all the idiots Aaron. My apologies for saying that since you eagerly became one yourself. And all you people Aaron? After youve destroyed the EV market or crippled it massively...you know wht you all will say the next day? "See, I knew it. I knew Musk would fk it up" Isnt that a trip. I am right though.

[@georgegmc6215]

Kyle, I have a 22 model y. I agree with everything you say! The charging network needs to be increased and upgraded all over. I have driven all across the Midwest and it is so obvious that growth is NEEDED! Keep up the great work! … George 😀👍👍😀

[@sprockkets]

Musk said he fired "don’t obviously pass the excellent, necessary and trustworthy test” but will never admit he's the only one that fits that description more than anyone else. If he still gets his compensation package, he'll be the best example yet that meritocracy is complete bullsh.

[@metaldreams3595]

Youre full of it. Youre making pweople think he said that about the people recently laid off. Youre a Gossip Gurl. And the compensation package pays zero cash. He hasnt been paid money in 6 years. Tesla has to hit unprecedented growth for him to recieve the stock. "You mean to tell me he can work his butt off for a year and not get anything?" Yes. Never happened before. So anyway...it's all about meritocracy. 100%. Isnt the truth fun? You hate it I know

[@BenRabidou]

I was on the fence about getting the CCS retrofit for my 2019 Model 3. I'm definitely going to do it now.

[@terrymattingly6843]

Do we know if the NACS pacts with other automakers require them to buy Tesla charger and add new locations and stations?

[@krafter324]

Elon 2019: Closing all retail stores and laying off employees will do online sales only. A few weeks later, no we won’t close stores. Sorry people we let go of we are now hiring.

[@I-0-0-I]

Business Insider now has an article saying Musk may be hiring some of the charging group back.

[@MindofMatter]

Elon in 2023: "we are creating a new marketing team" Elon in 2024 "the marketing team is gone"

[@krafter324]

@@I-0-0-I are you joking or for real? Lol

[@MindofMatter]

@@I-0-0-I I woudlnt be surprised. It reminds me of the episode of "the office" where the wedding photographer asks everyone to leave the photo-area but then one-by-one asks for everyone to come back except Michael Scott. Meaning: lets make a clean break on everyone and bring back just who we need. Not that this Tesla move makes sense but.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJXSZadrgZJokK8si=cyeNyBYhyGUGZzt7

[@d.pollard5962]

hopefully

[@madlucio70]

Not confused...Just pissed. Pretty damn ridiculous.

[@Json918]

Elon has given 100's and thousands of families jobs and done more than enough in 1 lifetime than any of these virtue signaling internet warriors. I'm sure he doesn't know what he's doing and needs advice from 🤡

[@mobibobobobobobobvobobo]

Maybe this latest misstep can cause enough of a stir to oust Elon finally. He’s been nothing but a burden to the brand for the last few years. Tesla needs new leadership.

[@Idiotsincarshere]

Now you know how healthcare workers felt when misinformation and "Prosecute Fauci" was being spread by Elon and orange man during the pandemic.

[@markroath98]

I went from OKC to Montana and back last September, and I think that one of my stops was at your charging location in Denver. Am I correct?

[@libertykrueger1433]

Rumor is that only Version 3 production was effected and that since the development of the Version 4 cabinets is finally completed, there’s no longer any need to keep the Version3 side of the business open. That would mean any Version 3 sites that weren’t already in process would be canceled in favor of Version 4 installations. We’ll see.

[@gery4870]

From my point of view, it's a wrong decision. I think it's more useful to have 5 diferents stations in the nearby with 10 Charging points, rather than having only a 1 massive 50 Charging points station... What do you think ?

[@chidorirasenganz]

Depends on the location, if it’s at a decent shopping center Id want them all at the same spot

[@bikeaddictbp]

Here in Canada, if there were one or two fast-charge points at every Tim Horton's coffee shop, we would not be having discussions about range anxiety ...

[@spazoq]

EV charging math won't work out for decades to come. It takes 10 times as many charging "pumps" to move people through a site as it does gas pumps. That's impossibly expensive. Nobody wanted to listen to states like Wyoming, who said EVs will never be usable in their state for decades, as they just don't have the range.

[@gery4870]

@@bikeaddictbp I agree 👍

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@spazoq It already works fine now…

[@philsoc8286]

Whatever the merits of the decision, the communications strategy around an issue that impacts the entire industry, including other automobile companies, has been abysmal.

[@davidmenasco5743]

I think the implications may be entirely beyond the ken of the person who made the decision.

[@markeh1971]

Hi, you just dropped the company image with all the companies you deal with. In the video it was mentioned that phone calls just go unanswered I suspect that is because they are gone and no hand over, if the whole department was cut then this is what you would expect. So Elon is Ok and secure all others are not and as customers you should bear this in mind. Take care M

[@metaldreams3595]

How would you know?

[@bsaxman2012]

Good video. I've charged at that location last year while on my road trip from Dallas to Yellowstone National Park in my 2023 Model Y LR.

[@taknmyshot]

Great information. Thank you, Kyle. We rely on you.

[@colorblindkid720]

I may not run a Fortune 500 company, so maybe I’m missing the business perspective here, but as a consumer and shareholder of Tesla… this move makes me nervous. Arguably EVs biggest hurdle to adoption is getting consumers over the range anxiety fear. Tesla’s charging network helps separate them from competitors and gets people comfortable with overcoming range anxiety… so I find it confusing that Tesla would entirely eliminate the team that directly supports their company mission of EV adoption

[@mjtjgilbert123]

I studied business administration and finance and I don't understand it either. Def not alone there

[@elmojito]

I think Tesla is building a reputation as an unreliable partner. If in doubt ask not only the OEM's that were joining the Tesla US standard connector but Hertz, Mexico and others. Just look at how he ended up with Twitter. The problem is Musk, and I say that and I am a Tesla stockholder, and his management style is perhaps great for start-ups but not for established companies that need a new vision. BTW, just this week bought an EV and it was not a Tesla.

[@rahpowah01]

Well said

[@udokafestus5433]

Stop ranting like a teenager

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Sell your shares

[@kennordsfan1494]

@@rogerstarkey5390 For a loss lol.

[@mho0]

Nobody in their right mind will trust Tesla ever again...

[@williamlabarre4755]

Build vs. Upgrade - More effective to put in new SC locations than to add slots at existing. It spreads out the available ports.

[@quantumphaser]

He's gonna do a twitter on tesla I'm pretty sure elon is insane at this point

[@NextGenEvs]

I hope Tesla sees this! This goes completely against Tesla’s mission!!!

[@Harrythehun]

Going bankrupt isn't in the mission

[@OskarHersch]

Teslas mission is saying marketing BS, berating customers who are demanding warranty repairs or posting comments about toxic tesla customer service or about stinking waterlogged airfilters because of bad teslas design..... etc etc etc. Yes , there is so many toxic stuff which is core tesla mission that there is no more room for more of it.

[@AaronStarkLinux]

Tesla doesn't need to watch this video. I think it's pretty obvious, considering that they are the experts... 😂

[@ms-jl6dl]

Their "mission" is to make money otherwise it's charity. So the reason is finantial. How about :"I'm tired of spending billions to have competitive advantage over other companies and then giving it away for free to other,less capable competition due to the political pressure from climate zealots. Go build your own f*cking chargers,I'm done."

[@naumtemnomedeusuario]

Forget about company's missions. They're PR BS. They have only two goals: make money now and make sure that they can keep make money in the future.

[@chrisengletx]

Elon's shown himself to be impulsive and irrational at times. This move breaks my heart- other blogs cited sources (not sure they're accurate) she pushed back on his demand for "hard core" reductions and almost as if in spite or a desire to make an example of her he not only fired her but every single person under her, as if to say that she could have chosen some to go but since she wouldn't everyone goes is LITERALLY insane. I'm on my second Tesla- i love them but do not trust their future trajectory and have come to loathe EM. I'll drive this car for a decade (new Model S), but I'l never again be the brand advocate I've always been for Tesla. I truly feel blowing up the team responsible for the PRIMARY reason Tesla has a moat in the US is insane.

[@mcrkon]

It breaks my heart also. I admire and respect Tesla for what they've done. I explain and defend their mission to my family and friends. But this is hard to explain or defend.

[@noname-ll2vk]

Ketamine may explain it.

[@godofbiscuitssf]

He doesn't like all the criticism he's getting. Poor overgrown tween feels unwanted. He wants people begging him to do the right thing. People WILL beg. Then he'll "do the right thing" and the Tesla bros will praise and then celebrate and then cheerlead him.

[@willtheelectrician8184]

Agreed!

[@user-wf6cn6zv1j]

Except he delivers and makes shit happen. Which 100% of commenter here don't.

[@phillyphil1513]

from a Car and Driver article dated January 16th 2024, here is a list of all the brands who were essentially "lured" by the good work of Rebecca Tinucci into adopting the NACS connector (likely against their better judgement) only to have her boss suddenly "circle back" (like so much predator) and CUT THE LEGS OUT FROM UNDER any trust relationship that had been developed with these same OEM's... ref: Audi, BMW, Fisker, Ford, Genesis, GM, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar, Kia, Lexus, Lucid, Mazda, Mercedes, Mini, Nissan, Polestar/Volvo, Porsche, Rivian, Rolls Royce, Scout, Toyota, and Volkswagen... yeah, as the kids say the MAGNITUDE of the disaster "hits different" once you see all 24 names SPELLED OUT. technically it would be 27 names if you break out the brands Buick, Cadillac, and GMC separately from GM/Chevy.

[@patrickrobichaux]

I thought the reason was obvious. Supercharging isn't a money maker. It was needed to sell cars originally but new stations won't sell more cars at this point. Elon needs money for his Twitter money pit. He just got snubbed on a multi-billion dollar compensation plan from Tesla. He needs Tesla stock to go up. I think if he doesn't get the next compensation plan, he's making sure the Tesla stock goes up to as high as he can go beforehand. That will allow him to either 1) if compensation is not approved, sell much of his stock and disinvest his interested in Tesla and offshoot into separate private companies . 2) if compensation is approved, then he'll have the money he needs and more importantly more control over Tesla.

[@metaldreams3595]

Right, it's not a moneymaker. Unless youre the guy whos developed technology and positioned yourself at the forefront and have major car manufacturers wanting to pay you to allow their customers to be able to use that technology...by the millions...all day ever day. Then you have the biggest business deal ever made, potentially. See what screws yalls judgment up, is the level you all have reached called Grand Twerpitude. Youre lucky you still had the spunk to be able to impregnate. To reach GT level you had to play Gossip Gurlz countless times..as you did there 6 days ago, and this is known to shrink what was down below 3mm. Pretty soon you'll wake up to find all public records show your first name with an A on the end of it. And if youre pro Palestine too, which I suspect you are, that only accelerates it. Youre anti Trump too. How do I know these things? Because if youre susceptible to being persuasively coerced ( I hate the B word, no one takes it seriouisly) to believe one way, then I know they got you on the other two.

[@sandmehlig]

That sums it up. But we all get driven around in wireless charging robotaxies, won't we? Tomorrow?

[@phillyphil1513]

Q: But we all get driven around in wireless charging robotaxies, won't we? Tomorrow? A: well yes and no, yes, but ONLY if you fly into Sky Harbor Airport and spend 8 days in Phoenix (as i just did the week of 4/13 to 4/20) and request rides in a WAYMO Jaguar I-Pace. the bottom line is the WAYMO "military/sensor fusion approach" works, and Elon's "camera only approach" DOESN'T work... i mean if the videos of KZbinrs like TFL when they went to Phoenix aren't enough to convince everyone...? i now have a half dozen 10 minute long 4K videos (recorded from the back seat no less) on my personal phone that i'd be glad to share... as far as i'm concerned Elon's "FSD scam" is over, so time for the Tesla Bears on CNBC and other the business channels to "let go of the Robo-Taxi dream" because it's all just a bunch of bullsh!t, which is EXACTLY what i've been saying ad-nauseam since the launch of Auto-Pilot way back in 2016.

[@JP-sw5ho]

I bought my Tesla because of the supercharger network. I think superchargers matter more than the robot or the cyber truck

[@justinstewart3248]

They aren’t going anywhere. This is likely a restructuring. I can’t imagine they aren’t going to come up with a new plan.

[@B0obJunior]

@@justinstewart3248 Right, not going anywhere and expending is two different things. "I can’t imagine they aren’t going to come up with a new plan." Yeah, I definitely can image that.

[@metaldreams3595]

@@B0obJunior Could you fathom the possibility that its people that are causing all this stuff? If so, then could you fathom that those people....well, that you are one of them? And get this...after all you geniuses destroy or severely cripple the EV market...you know what you will say next? "See? I knew Musk would screw it up". When it was you sheep all the time.

[@GXKid06]

I think the new supercharger in Los Gatos California in the bay area is a V4 supercharger. It has the longer cables and a screen for non teslas to pay and a magic doc. And its a much larger tower.

[@Scott-sm9nm]

13:30 hopefully some of those Tesla folks go to Rivian as one example.

[@user-ld7vk9bj6m]

This seems like a GREAT way to torpedo CyberTruck sales.

[@lukewalker1051]

The ill fated Cyber Truck will torpedo itself. A gimmick. The Ford Lightning is a better vehicle and Ford can't give them away.

[@anonymousfu]

They're gonna sell every Cybertruck they can make for the next few years. Not much is going to stop that.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

Aren't Cyber Trucks torpedo proof?

[@xiaoka]

It was doing that on its own already. 😛

[@theipc-twizzt2789]

A great way to torpedo CT sales is not offering appropriate 800V chargers for it. Now guess who was responsible for that

[@MsTiggytoo]

I’m adopting a wait and see plan. I haven’t suffered from a lack of superchargers in the 4 years I’ve owned the car. I mostly charge at home and had no issue in the 8000 km road trip I just took. I agree with the comments about other companies taking over the responsibility for the charging network. Why not? It must be a nightmare dealing with power companies. I know our province sometimes takes about a year to connect once the chargers are installed. The problem is the silence. We all love to fill the gap with assumptions. I would love to see modern charging stations with facilities and food stations and not have to pull into the back parking lot of some garage or mall after dark with no place to use the washroom. It’s the perfect time to make this change. I hope that’s what is happening.

[@jamesphillips2285]

I an surprised how well the CHAdeMO roll-out has been going in my local area. It was probably one of the larger reservations I had buying an aging Leaf (lost the format war twice over).

[@justinfowler2857]

Elon: The beating will continue until morale improves!

[@BryanA3115]

Seems like it was the perfect timing for Rivian to open its Adventure network to nearly every EV brand.

[@ramonhurt69]

I agree. Why shouldn't they take on some of the responsibility of helping the EV market grow.

[@metaldreams3595]

WHy in the world would you or anyone root against Tesla/Musk? Would you explain that to me? Tell me. Tell mwe thew trutjh. Be a man for just a second. WHY!!!?!

[@BryanA3115]

@metaldreams3595 no one said anything about rooting against Tesla.

[@metaldreams3595]

@@BryanA3115 Yes, I know...my bad I keep forgetting you guys can't sense such things. I am an expert in sociology particularly patterns of social behavior, social causes of change and the consequences of human behavior. You see Bryan, without anyone saying something about rooting against Musk I am able to sense the negative tone within their writings. Point is BRyan...for what Musk has done thus far it should require Pat Bateman type activity to be discovered for people to turn on him. Youre being given a great gift. The chance to see people in the midst of being media controlled sheep. Those that are, Anti Musk Anti Trump Pro PAlestine are who I am talking about. ITs 9 out of ten peoplle in these comments. People always thought sheep were somebody else...but its them.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@metaldreams3595 If you have studied social behavior: explain to me how we are not seeing the rise of the 4th Reich in the US right now. The US is checking off 8 of the 10 stages of genocide right now. The problem with fascism is that things get worse before they get better: because those in power blame their failures in governance on minorities. The minorities get exterminated, yet the societal problems that were blamed on them never get solved.

[@Mrus-jo1rh]

I wonder why Tesla didn’t simply spin off the Charging group as a separate independent company. Corporations do this all the time when a division no longer fits in within the corporate strategy.

[@mcrkon]

Spinning off would mean some thought and planning went into a decision; this impulsive move involved neither.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

It's all hidden behind the curtain of Oz so possibly it hasn't been able to stand on it's own with income generation.

[@Mquin02]

Because they are run by a complete moron.

[@lennyvalentin6485]

@@mcrkon When you believe you're the smartest guy around who knows everything, you don't need to stop and think.

[@Narcissist86]

The spinoff might not be as profitable as you think. Charging is a rough business with thin margins.

[@barrakuta3711]

I have no idea what Elon is thinking. My guess is the costs for building out new sites were skyrocketing and/or he wasn't satisfied with progress on V4. Either way, the potential consequences of this decision cant just be ignored. It makes a lot of people nervous when something like this happens. Hopefully those that are left can develop a plan, but thats a lot of brainpower missing.

[@barrakuta3711]

Also, what about the mega chargers for the semi?

[@bobqzzi]

He's thinking "when is my next hit of ketamine coming?"

[@VMYeahVN]

I said it elsewhere but i think he's choosing to sacrifice the speed of Supercharger growth in order to (as he announced on the earnings call) fast track the robotaxi/25k car rollout. I don't think it actually has almost anything to do with the Supercharger network/V4 itself. I think Elon thinks the Supercharger network as is, is so far enough ahead in terms of location coverage that it's ok to put it on pause to focus on what he thinks (due to investor and Wall Street pressure) is the more important thing for Tesla to focus on largely just so the "here's how many cars we sold this Quarter" and thus the stock price numbers can go up. Typical short term growth/profit over long term growth/betterment.

[@bobqzzi]

@@VMYeahVN You realize that both the 25K car and the robotaxi are not real things, right?

[@VMYeahVN]

@@bobqzzi I never said they are products that are released. However they both are things Elon is hyper focused on trying to bring to market. He quite literally said so in the most recent earnings call (that you clearly didn't listen to). They are planning to move up the release by a few months to a year by using existing production lines and a less different version of the platform to get the 25k car/robotaxi (same platform) to be out sooner than they initially planned for. It's really not that difficult to see how Elon is prioritizing trying to make that real and is using the money it takes to keep Supercharger employees paid and network expanding to try to do it. It's fucking stupid but that's what's clearly happening. Has nothing to do with whether or not you think they're real things or not. Elon wants them to be and that's what this pivot is for.

[@user-oo3uj5ku9r]

Super powerful intro Kyle. Thanks sir.

[@johnd01]

Last month, I did an 8,000-mile road trip and saw sites I visited had at least 3 open lanes. In the last 6 months I did go to a small location I knew about that was busy, the car directed me to an other location 2 miles away that was less than half full. Tesla was opening chargers faster than traffic demanded in a lot of locations. We are producing chargers at a given rate, and let's see if we can find places to install them.

[@johntrotter8678]

Do the folks that hire and supervise maintenance workers still have jobs?

[@anthonyc8499]

Yeah, it was mentioned on Twitter this doesn't affect the field teams that handle maintenance. However, the maintenance people just saw their support team get nuked. I'm not sure they aren't motivated to GTFO now.

[@BlazerRox]

@@anthonyc8499 Yeah if I was working at a company and suddenly my sister team was entirely nuked without warning, I'd immediately start updating my resume and looking to exit.

[@mabutarif]

@@anthonyc8499 yup. And who says they won’t be next?!

[@markeh1971]

⁠@@anthonyc8499 Hi I suspect that they realise they are valued as zero (you are our biggest resource, ps you are sacked) and have to have a succession plan for when, not if they are cut. Take care M.

[@juliuscheng5788]

A lack of commitment is concerning for me, in terms of supporting EV charging. There is one - ONE - Supercharger within 60 miles of me here in WNY.

[@jrbigger]

Now would be an excellent time for someone to seriously compete with Tesla in the charging space. Also, Tesla needs to hire an adult to run the company.

[@user-ud9lb2rp9f]

It all boils down to slow sales of all EVs, $ is getting tight at Tesla, some automakers have already bailed out. People just don't want them, too many issues especially no national electrical grid infrastructure to support this effort. The cart came before the horse on this effort. I love EV technology as a original owner of a GE Elektrak in the 70s, would have thought by now we would have power infrastructure to support the charging system.

[@nelsonc6173]

It's true there are plenty of articles to support the drop of EV sales. Automakers like GM and Ford have slowed production of EV's or dropped EV production completely. Tesla is not the only one affected by the lack of interest or the confusing market when it comes to EV's.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@nelsonc6173 EV sales have not been dropping though! The rate of EV sales increase has been dropping. That is the second derivative of sales.

[@B4R0N.]

I don't understand this decision at all. They really should explain their rationale for this.

[@billybobbob3003]

they switching to hybrids they finally got some good sense.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

The decision was an emotional one. There is no rational explanation.

[@spacep0d]

@@billybobbob3003 What next, dusting off your old LaserDisc player?

[@billybobbob3003]

@@spacep0d ev is the laserdisc its older technology than combustion engines and its obsolete shortcomings show through. just get a hybrid and stfu.

Musk is a junkie and a fool. He believes his own hype. He thinks he invented everything.

[@JakesOnline]

Do we know financial details of the Supercharger network specifically? Is it profitable?

[@Nate-vf2js]

You know it makes money

[@Resist4]

Considering Supercharging has almost doubled in cost since 2019, I'd say yes they are making money from them. In some areas it costs as mush as gas to charge a Tesla at a Supercharger station when going on a trip.

[@bradcooke5383]

Can someone please tell me why all the new charge point, EVGO, Circle K, EA chargers don't have a J3400 connector along side the CCS1?

[@shoemakj1]

This is so wrong. I live in a SuperCharger desert. I have a monthly 265-mile road trip where I have exactly ONE 8-stall, 150kw SC. If it’s down, there ONE Level-2 (7kw) charger within 20 miles that’s only open during business hours.

[@jasonriddell]

I live on a town of 800K and we have ONE supercharger and a FEW destination tesla chargers BUT shell recharge / FLO massively outnumber them to the point that the "Tesla advantage" is NOT there at all

[@chip9177]

Makes you sound kinda stupid doesn't it

[@metaldreams3595]

@@jasonriddell You know whats the wildest shit ever? See the comment section? I know you didnt notice, nobody does. Or can. The cause of the lay offs...you guys stalled stations and the possible implosion of the EV MArket are the sheep in the comment section and other slike them. Its them. Even you Tesla owners...I can sense many of you wanting to join the sheep yourselves. Believe me...theyre going to kill the whole thing and I sht you nt....they will turn around the next day and say "See? I knew it". With this newfound knowledge take a look at the comments real quick....doesnt take a genius. Well wait...actually it might.

[@gchetail]

This feels like a massive bag fumble. Time will tell if this is Tesla's version of 28-3 or just a bump on the road.

[@4viator]

With upgrading they may not only mean faster and more chargers, but also things like, roofs, lights, benches, vending machines, etc…

[@user-ld7vk9bj6m]

Thank you for saying this! I think we need NICER sites more than we need FASTER ones.

[@ALRinaldi]

Doesn't matter if there aren't chargers where they need to be, or not enough stalls.

[@chadshenk]

@@user-ld7vk9bj6m There's room for both things, but faster chargers are always welcome. I had to deal with a few V2 chargers in Arkansas for the recent eclipse and it was pretty painful to be pulling 75 kW when I could be getting 250 kW at a V3. I'd take a V3/V4 with fewer amenities (as long as there's at least a bathroom somewhere around) than a V2 with amazing amenities. Having more sites also helps keep you in the optimal part of the charging curve.

[@darinbrazil5496]

Do you think there is a step change in battery capacity happening soon, because if 600+ miles is going to happen then you definitely don't need as many chargers...

[@michaels7984]

This is what I'm wondering, they are coming out with the semi solid state batteries in China, if that actually works well superchargers may not be as necessary long term.

[@tyranelewis7763]

Thankyou Kyle for bringing this to the front. The Tesla Supercharging network is what truly sold and supported the sales of Tesla. That's why I purchased mine because of the SC infrastructure of any other EV. That was the smartest decision Tesla made when the Model S came out. They knew they needed a Charging network away from the owners' home so they could have the comfort to drive anywhere an ICE could drive. If the Model S had to rely on anything Else, it would have failed, and we would not see the Tesla Cars we see and enjoy today.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

It could have been a self charging vehicle 🤷

[@jrheisler]

Musk, period. He called for cuts. Charging fought back. Musk fired them all. That simple, and that stupid.

[@redhat421]

Wow, what a serious lack of leadership.

[@jrheisler]

@@redhat421 hARDcORE

[@Mathis218337]

Companies are not democracies.

[@redhat421]

@@Mathis218337 yep, and that makes them far more vulnerable to bad leadership. See also Boeing.

[@anydaynow01]

The newest Tesla charger design is head and shoulders above what is needed for quite some time, this was a pretty smart move since all they have to do is rinse and repeat what they have been doing for the past decade for expanding their charging network. The big thing is chargers which are idle, which is a lot, why should they make more?

[@gregpochet4812]

Is this why no other car company has announced they have access since Rivian on March 18th?

[@keshan2675]

It his the supercharger team just in North America or does it affect the rest of the world as well? For example, Europe?

[@tatsuyaarai6029]

I think this is so far the best commentary on the topic.

[@andrewhurstcars]

Seems like a crazy thing to do when Tesla have such an advantage with all the big companies like Ford signing up. A lot of big companies would like to have Tesla’s network. If Tesla neglect expansion going forward, that leaves room for a huge company to jump in.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

In 2 weeks ull learn they’re going to fools cells

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Which "huge company"?

[@doomsday9973]

Kyle talks about this on the pod cast. There is no company to “swoop in” everyone is hurting right now and the charging industry is a mess.

[@tgsekhar1]

Maybe the team could be picked up by the new OEM Ionna network. They have the expertise and knowledge and connections to get sites up and quick.

[@phillyphil1513]

for sure that would be a sweet recovery, but that first assumes that collective of OEM's were truthful about their intent and not BS-ing you. as you now see, there was A LOT of baked in problems with pulling off such a collaboration. but mind you even IF they were sincere...? (and that's one big "IF") the nationwide softening of EV sales surely puts these "grand plans" on the back burner in the near term.

[@TheRealJPAdventures]

I agree, this decision is a head scratcher begs the question on “why?” As a Ionic 6 owner - What i see is we need to more choice, and the car OEM’s and other services need to address this issue head on for building more capacity sooner not later. They created the demand and now need to address the need.

[@TheUweRoss]

One reason for a build-out slow down is clearly visible in this video. There are 8 or 9 charging stalls at that location and two are in use, one of which is Kyle making the video. Every Supercharger location I see on the east coast is like this, typically 10% utilization, if that. Coastal California might need more, but most of rest of the country has plenty for the time being. It makes no sense to spend big money on infrastructure that will hardly be used.

[@MrLuigi-oi7gm]

I'm guessing this video was shot on a Sunday. No one exited or entered the buildings nearby and kids were riding their bikes with what appeared to be an accompanying parent. That may explain why so few chargers were being used.

[@markbradley4534]

Since NACS is a standard there is presumably no reason at all why other charge point manufacturers and operators can't roll out 800V chargers, it is a standard that isn't controlled by Tesla right? Would be very weird to see others provide better chargers than Tesla given it's their USP. I'm glad here in Europe we use CCS2 across the board now so 800V is commonplace.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Nobody has demonstrated they can supply the product and/or the service at the price yet. . Maybe he was just fed up with the "Tesla will do it all!" Attitude from others? (Or maybe the "Why doesn't Tesla do it all?" Variation?) . For all we know (just thought of this) there may have been a .... "funding agreement" as part of the NACS conversion which "we" weren't aware of ? Maybe those companies who are "pulling back" became reluctant to fulfill obligations? (Speculation, but possible) . Maybe those companies need to suggest *they* could build the product that works, under licence? . If the object is a ubiquitous network, open to all, (without "monopoly") that should work? The high priced companies could then build for ....25% of current installation cost? While claiming Government incentives? They win. . If the Auto manufacturers take the opportunity, *they* get a branded network, that works, and those same incentives. They win. . The Government gets better value for public funding. They win. . The customer gets (or should get) cheaper charging, with more choice. They win. . Tesla gets royalties, (still *really* good value for the others) they get spare cash to fund the big money products (Commercial storage?) And they still get network expansion.

[@LuvingToryChristman]

It's a trust issue more than everything else. You don't do business with a moody and vengeful owner at the helm.

[@Thankz4sharing]

@@rogerstarkey5390Nothing wrong with a little optimism. I hope that you are right.

[@bikeaddictbp]

There is absolutely nothing stopping charging hardware manufacturers from incorporating SAE J3400 charging plugs today, and a number of them have already stated that they will be doing so. So, yes, it is quite possible that 350kW charging stations will show up from other manufacturers before Tesla does it.

[@ChuckvdL]

@@rogerstarkey5390that depends on your perspective. For anyone needing >500v, the Tesla chargers are inferior to nearly anything CCS that can do more than 50 or 100kW. The Tesla network wasn’t built with anything but charging a Tesla in mind from the start. You see this in the physical site layout and the limited cable length, as well as the voltage/current limits of the equipment and wiring.. so they largely Suck for non Tesla vehicles. Their singular advantage is the large number of sites and slightly better dispenser uptime, which means it’s easier to find one nearby.

[@doccolorado]

To me, SuperChargers management & buildout is like the "hotel" business. What is the current 'occupancy rate', trend, and future look like from a usage perspective? Is there a plan that changes the supercharger infrastructure? Is the EV Sales trend really dropping that a business would quit building infrastructure long enough to fire the entire team? Messaging from Tesla seems to be a bigger failure to me than the change they made.

[@OskarHersch]

It is not about sales, it is about NACS coming thru, so they do not longer need to play good samaritans providing excellent(sic) service, superior(sic) technology.

[@e-care-books9867]

Kyle's thumbnail image for this video says it ALL .... holding your arms outward as if to say "WTF!"

[@Resist4]

He holds his arms out in the thumbnail of almost all of his videos. It's kind of stupid.

[@williamlathan6932]

Kyle, where is all the charger production located.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

I wonder if this is in any way related to the recent massive delays in NACS adapter shipping for Ford customers?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

*I* wonder if the "massive delays" are due to Ford "pulling back" from EVs and a conversation at Ford HQ along the lines of "say nothing, they'll blame Tesla"? . Just as likely (and it may go further than that)

[@JeanPierreWhite]

No. But it might do so from this point forward.

[@zino_11]

Tesla is overdue now for a leadership change at the tippy-top. This is a very important company for EV advancement, and it needs a 100% focused dedicated CEO. We are well out of start-up mode, and the current CEO's positive impact is undeniable, but it's time for the next generation of thought leadership.

[@powrich12]

Imagine if the CEO of Rivian took over Tesla? I think it would be amazing.

[@wuchengranschiiet9992]

Elon rather trows it in the bin

[@JetFire9]

If the Tesla leadership could keep things on track without Elon having to intervene, he wouldn’t bother them.

[@jaylxxxi1908]

@@powrich12 you must on crack.

[@Shiftheads]

He needs another Gwynne Shotwell for Tesla.

[@leericmarvin]

I hear complaints of no pull through charging stations to accommodate Cyber Truck with trailer load. Was the charging staff negligent in preparing for this?

[@Jacob6875]

I still don’t see why you would fire the entire team. Downsize sure but eliminating everyone makes no sense

[@andrewt9204]

I am worried about the ripple effect of this. This could be a major blow to the entire industry. Tesla needed to dominate, even more than they are now to show it can be profitable when EV market share does eventually reach 25%. That would incentivize other players to really make a good push for competition. This action will set that back a ways I feel. As for upgrading sites, it would still be beneficial to upgrade a V2 site to V3, even if you had to keep the same site capacity transformer for a while, or even forever. Not having full load sharing is the main downside to V2, I'd argue almost more than being limited to 150kW if it's a regularly used site. Then at some point the transformer could be upgraded. That 750kVa transformer is what, ~600kW after losses/PFC? That's enough for nearly 3 cars at full rip on V3. Likely fine for an 8 stall site.

[@LimpopoRSA]

This may be Tesla’s “New Coke” blunder. It fundamentally changes the value proposition of owning a Tesla considering the low market penetration of EV’s at this point. Let’s see if they can recover. This happens if the CEO spends most of his time in a private jet and does not live in the real world. Compare the engagement profile of Tesla and Ford’s CEO’s.

[@xiaoka]

You mean the next "New Coke" blunder, after "Funding secured at 420" and about a half dozen other Elon brain farts...

[@Graspingatcreativity]

To be real here, this is a market where the non-tesla charger brands need to be looked at for correlation. Are all charger install locations stagnated, or only Tesla? Was there a special deal Tesla negotiated for install locations that is now not available under the Biden administration's crackdown on corporate loopholes?

[@ericroe]

As for upgrading the sites, switching sites from V2’s to V3’s makes good sense, even if they are short on power and bit. V2’s share power between a pair of stalls where V3’s share power across the entire site. At that site in the video, the 750KVa is perfect for 8 stalls, but could be managed for 10, but it would require engineering skills that seem to now be gone. But a more typical 8 stall V2 or a 12 stall V2 would make perfect sense to upgrade to V3’s and better share power across the stalls.

[@dylanwhite6539]

This shouldn’t affect j3400 because it’s now an open connector. Even if it means superchargers aren’t entirely open, it should still be adopted for the simple fact that it’s better and easier to use.

[@learsiyenoham]

As an internal combustion vehicle user looking from the outside of the EV space, this has just helped affirm my decision to wait on making any switch in the near future. For mass adoption of EVs you need to be competitive with the accessibility and convenience of gas stations, and I think this decision is a huge step backwards from that goal.

[@andrewjazdzyk1215]

I mean to some extent yes, but also if you own a home you need to kind of remember most charging should be done at home

[@2sk21]

Same here - I like EVs but I'm in no hurry to buy one any time soon. Let's wait and see how other charging companies step up

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

@@andrewjazdzyk1215 LOL rich people and charging at home. Clearly ready for mass adoption. Because everyone owns a home with a garage, right?

[@SpottedSharks]

I work in the labor employment space. We do a lot of analyses of layoffs conducted by large companies, including those in the tech sectors. Several companies in the tech sector regularly lay off a chunk of their workforce and then rehire them later to some degree. This may be the case with Tesla. Of course, I'm only speculating and I have zero inside information on Tesla.

[@user-ld7vk9bj6m]

Yeah, it's possible that Elon is planning on letting them be desperate for a while, then hiring them back for less money.

[@supreme5580]

You make an interesting point, remember when inflation was at its peak? And people were just freaking out about a crash (the one that never arrived) and Amazon, Snap, meta, and others were downsizing which people took as a shortage in the labor market not a reduction of exaggerated hiring during COVID. I'm still cynical about Elon on many of his decisions but I'd be curious what your thoughts are on this

[@juliuscheng5788]

@@user-ld7vk9bj6m Why would a no-notice laid-off employee go back to work for a company like Tesla? Employee trust in Tesla as a company may be at an all-time low after this.

[@ojobee]

You guys need to put your tesla Kool-Aid cups down. The charging department gets lots of funding from the government and is literally self funded from fees. So please stop being fan boys. This makes no sense.

[@user-jk3ht5hn3m]

Nice job.

[@regolith1350]

“We can’t allow Tesla to have monopoly power!” Elon: “hold my beer.”

[@jasiaci1]

Batteries will 2X in next 5 years both in range and increase charging speed so less need for chargers also more solar/batteries at homes, offices, supermarkets, factories

[@2pdlpwr]

"WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR" I hope it wasn't Elon Musk........ we need this conversion to NACS... and trust of the standard....

[@nallemanstankarochfunderin5962]

That trust is no more, as of this layoff happening. Would actually make much more sense for all manufacturers to follow the European route and go to CCS2 now.

[@asharak84]

​@@nallemanstankarochfunderin5962 it's kind of interesting. CCS2 is better in many ways for US businesses that want parking lot charging as businesses often have 3-phase power so a "charger" install is trivial and super cheap to get decent enough rates via AC. But overall the NACS standard was probably better for the US with it's slimmer design if fewer phases on AC because of it's (mostly) compatibility with a lot of installed infrastructure - right up until Tesla did this. Now it's in an awkward spot - I suspect it'll still happen because momentum is there for automakers anyway but it's just making yet another rival standard rather than unifying anything. Abandoning the plan and going CCS2 would be a huge disruption - but with the big advantage that is already used in the EU so the vehicles already are designed with it in mind, manufacturing is a thing and so on. So it may actually be less disruptive to go that route. Doubt it would happen though.

[@markeh1971]

@@nallemanstankarochfunderin5962 Hi, just shows how being reliant upon one company is a mistake. CCS2 may be the default future given the actions of Tesla. The charging will carry on but be lights a bigger issue. We’re they all sold a pup by Tesla or is it IJDGAF by Elon. Take care M.

[@nallemanstankarochfunderin5962]

​@@markeh1971Tesla has for some years now tried to act like it is a kind of self owned government agency in its own business, and many actions and plans made has given this kind of treatment. All that just came to surface showed that even though it would have been a good thing to have NACS as a standard, you should never build a charging system that is built around an private entity. You need to have an open standard that's backed up by governments and international treaties. That's why I recommended CCS2 in my first comment here.

[@jasonriddell]

@@asharak84 I would LOVE CCS2 BUT also think it would be a colossal mistake to swap AGAIN and the American industry should continue with NACS as it is not part of TESLA anymore but a open standard

[@Joe44944]

C'mon let's not treat this as an obituary for the SC. It's just a business shake up. Imo.

[@Campbellinis]

We don’t have any current openings at ADS-TEC Energy, but our battery buffered DCFC gets up to 320kW without the need for a transformer, so if anyone knows of any projects that need help, lmk. We can get them installed very quickly.

[@wpaoff-road]

Well now that it is an open standard, technically non of these other manufactures NEED Tesla charging department support. So not sure it really matters to them anyways. Does anybody know if the Supercharging network was making or losing money for Tesla?

[@aguywithcats]

I read a while back (I don't remember where it was) Elon said that most superchargers sit idle for most of the day. While there certainly are busy sites, especially on the coasts, most are empty the majority of the time. I personally have driven cross country (in the US) twice, and my own experience was that about two thirds of superchargers were totally empty when I arrived.