Tesla Model 3 | Explaining the Cult

[@kylekrupansky1020]

7:25 talking about software bugs while there’s a bug flying around in the car

[@ZeroInDaHouse]

Wanted to comment on that as well!

[@samuelorellana2603]

Damn, beat me to it

[@dknc7393]

I commented again anyways, but yeah, that was awesome, clearly Tesla needs another technology to prevent bugs from physically flying in the cabin.

[@lajya01]

Makes sense, bugs are delivered over-the-air.

[@samuelorellana2603]

@@dknc7393 fly repelling led added to dome light

[@michaelw2263]

The dude literally rented a car to avoid owner sentiment and corporate image control. This is part of why I've stuck with the Goose of Savage for so long.

[@Krauser1226]

@Catholic Firefighter this clearly isn't the channel for you...

[@michaelw2263]

@Catholic Firefighter Lol then be a good patriot and vote instead of posting that shit

[@jecht86]

Not only that, he's not a fan boy of anything which keeps all his reviews unbiased. So many KZbin's get all hyped up over everything that they removed all objective quality of their reviews. Matt Moran is one of them, he literally says the same word about every car.

[@michaelw2263]

@@jecht86 I got bored of subaruwrxfan/ matt maran when he did that go-fund me bs. plus yeah, he praises every car as if it's the second coming

[@robertmontgomery7158]

Tesla fan boys and Tesla can get real nasty when provoked by the truth

[@Loopy_McLooperson]

No filler, no corporate bootlicking, just grade A content and production quality.

[@fraddi]

I'm about to start the review but I'll say this much; I can't invest in any battery powered vehicle. In the long run, it's diminishing returns.

[@dangrass]

This piece was just a really lame Tesla hit pice, the kind that's pretty much gone away in the past 6 months. Mr. Goose seems behind the curve here. He clearly doesn't like EVs and that's that. He could have saved us all 35 minutes by just saying that at the beginning and discussing something else...since there was really no content here. Just reposing FUD stuff created by others a while back.

[@dangrass]

@@fraddi You think? How so?

[@Loopy_McLooperson]

@@dangrass most of his comments seemed to be supported by facts, and i didn't get the impression he hated it. I simply think he's highlighting some of the current limitations and quality issues, which seem pretty well founded

[@fraddi]

@@dangrass The inherent unreliable nature of batteries for starters. The issues with maintaining a tech that is limited to one company. Watch Rich Rebuilds

[@LampCord99]

As a Model 3 owner myself, I found this to be the most fair minded and insightful review I have seen of this car. Which shouldn't surprise me based on all of the other reviews I've seen on this channel.

[@doates625]

I got a 2021 M3 post-refresh and it's fascinating to see how many things they've fixed since this review, including: - Replacing piano black interior with matte black - General paint and panel gap quality (but not softness...) - Adding the heat pump (super nice as I live in NE) - Sound dampening with double-paned glass - Increased range and performance Edit: Added more things.

[@LampCord99]

@@doates625 I’m a little jealous! Would love to have a heat pump although I’ve never really had problems without one and I live in Minnesocold. Enjoy your new ride!

[@40edison]

Look, no one needs to know about your tesla.

[@LampCord99]

@@40edison Thank you for that timely response to a post I made a year ago. And yes, very good point indeed. Why would someone post about a car they own in response to a video about it? I stand corrected!

[@40edison]

@@LampCord99 , no, it's just Tesla owners can't shut a fuck up about their Teslas. It nice car, but certainly overpriced, made from low-quality materials and technology that shall be developed/ invested in the 70s.

[@jizzyjake6783]

Being a Dodge Charger owner I was offended when you called 3700 lbs heavy.

[@marfrandema1884]

Haha, so true

[@Wpjgdmtu]

Being an Audi S4 owner I was like hey that's light!

[@middler5212]

😆

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

Being a big giant fat guy I found it highly offensive

[@alextogo8367]

It's heavy it terms of a vehicle of same size like a civic. Which ranges from 2500-3000 lbs. And having no engine. So yeah it's heavy. Hope my comment doesn't "offend" you big baby..

[@autonewstv86]

*Seriously, I just cannot overstate how much I appreciated our channel. Literally the best, most informative and enjoyable way to research automobiles. I don’t know how much work you put into these videos, I just know it is a lot. So just thank you.*

[@dwergmaster]

You left 'bold' on accidentally. Pretty annoying.

[@giezioba7214]

Having watched many of his videos, I noticed that is very hard to please him. The fact that Savage has not completely destroyed this Tesla with badmouthing...and quite opposite- gave many praises for the car....speaks volumes to me. Conclusion: Tesla3 is a great daily car.

[@RussoCatSly]

That much more amazing that they are putting up a new video every couple of days lately.

[@mkud4129]

I cannot agree more 😃 press like on every videos, subscribe support channels that truly deserve it!

[@fruitloopette69]

@Covert Cam He's basically saying the same thing thing as the dude up on the screen, in a more raunchy Texas style.

[@ericynot]

I enjoy Doug and am amused and often learn a few things from Scotty, but for straight up quality, attention to detail, and thoroughness (in other words, professionalism) nobody else comes close to the Savage. Not only do I get educated watching this channel, but I always come away with things to ponder about cars and our connections to them. That is thoroughly unique in the KZbin world, and I am grateful for it.

[@bradcarpenter1881]

You will never get a car review as in depth, detailed, and honest as you will here on Savagegeese!

[@joemcdonough7509]

Not one of his better reviews. Did this car even have autopilot? He didn't even tell us let alone review it. Never mentioned the frunk. Barely talked about the ride quality, which is known to be rough. Never talked about battery range. Never talked about charging the car. 75% of the review was about how the car handles, interior echo noise, rattles/air leaks, poor fit/finish, too much emphasis on using the touch screen, and just too quiet for his taste. I'm not even a fan of this car, I'm merely disagreeing with your comment on how in depth you think this review was.

[@ShotGunner5609]

@@joemcdonough7509 im not totally disagreeing with you man. But i watch a savage geese review to hear him talk about the stuff no one else does. It would have made the review completely comprehensive, which would have been nice. But that's also why you should watch more than one review for data points. If you're forking over 30-50k (or more) you should be informed.

[@chadwickwood9843]

@@joemcdonough7509 he also said there would be more videos to come on this car. This was a foundational part to the series.

[@pedrofernandez8729]

@@joemcdonough7509 Cause everyone is well aware of what Tesla offers. This was a more in-depth review.

[@joemcdonough7509]

@@chadwickwood9843 I missed that part. Thanks Chadwick.

[@bertbertson23]

The reasoning in your intro is why you are one of the best car-reviewer out there. You could have gone for the quick clicks, the free tesla treatment if you said what they like, but you didn't. You wanted to stay true to yourself, even if it costs you some. I hope you become rich as f**k doing the right thing here. big fan.

[@aussie2uGA]

What free Tesla treatment? You realize Tesla doesn't loan cars, pay for reviews, nothing. Can this be said for other automakers?

[@insayn7995]

@@aussie2uGA how can you say any of those claims are true?

[@BlackCat.Designs]

Hope you get rich? Lol

[@cbruno12180]

Best automotive reviewer hands down I watch and listen to all his reviews he is spot on with all the info I’ve made it a point to test drive most of the cars he has reviewed besides the really expensive ones lol obv can’t afford to do or allowed

[@indragarg2857]

@@aussie2uGA what he means by that is that there savage could have pleased the tesla fanboys by saying good things and showing off gimmicks instead of talking about real issues and he would have got a lot more views

[@SaadAhmed3000]

This is perhaps the greatest review of the model 3 I've ever seen. Understands the engineering. Understands the sales/marketing angle. Understands the technology. And most importantly, outlines the specific pros and cons and why they matter (or don't matter) to the different types consumers in the market in a completely unbiased way. Going to subscribe even though I don't much for cars!

[@seanpetersen5553]

A very fair review. As someone who interacts with a Model 3 daily, I thought all the pros and cons you mentioned were on point.

[@McMooo587]

I concur this is fair after having owned my model 3 performance for a year and a few months. I am a car enthusiast and miss engine noise, but the roller coaster acceleration makes up for it. My drives now are mostly with kids on the highway or around town, not on Winding back roads, and the car is perfect. I’ll offer up my car for a review if savagegeese is ever in St. Louis.

[@aussie2uGA]

I traded my V8 e93 M3 Convertible in on a Model 3 and absolutely love it. The BMW had great noise, but thats where the wish list stops. The Tesla weighs less, is far more powerful, handles similarly, but yes the Brembo's could use better pads... What really differentiates the experience is maintenance and usability. The BMW requires proactive flushes to avoid costly failures and they all have concerns that keep you from really enjoying the car to it's fullest everyday. With the V8, the connecting rods had loads of issues that kept owners from pushing it too high too often. In the M5 before, the Vanos would fail and plastic intake would leak oil. Once you realize how much attention, care, and money needs to be spent to keep a good German car running right, you realize the Tesla with only 18 moving parts is perfect for hard daily thrashing without any concerns. I have 51k miles on mine already and it's just as fun every day. I'm looking forward to see what BMW does with the new i4 though.

[@hazardeur]

@@aussie2uGA handles similarly? then you have never driven either of these cars for more than a trip to the next shopping mall. lol I had the exact same M3 BMW and all you had to do was to replace the rods and some other changes and you could rev than thing as much as you like. I sure did. Also, it's a completely different type of car. one is a 15 year old v8 fun convertible the other a fast EV....apples and oranges

[@hazardeur]

@@ryansellers2581 it sucks, really does. it's downright irresponsible if you ask me. Try to touch small icons like for example for the next powerstation (which you have to search at some point) is already not easy when you have to point your arm out to the side but now imagine doing that in a moving car and with a screen that doesn't react as well as it should. Every bump or anything else that makes the car shake just slightly will throw your finger off. Led almost to accidents in my case and I am usually a very cautios driver. But you can't be cautions while fiddling with this stupid screen. Personally, I am completely shocked that this got past all the regulatories in most countries. It's absolute madness. Maybe it works in California but in a busy city or busy small country with a lot of traffic - it's a accident waiting to happen Didn't the Motoman channel guy just got run over by a Tesla driver who was fiddling on his screen recently?

[@McMooo587]

Ryan Sellers you get used to it pretty quickly and there are lots of shortcuts to use. I had a model x for the weekend and much prefer the model 3 screen. It’s quite intuitive for normal controls and voice controls work great. It’s also more in your line of sight than the model x screen and traditional dash configuration.

[@anonCid]

I was going to write an extensive comment on how your closing comments really highlight the fact that cars in and of themselves are wasteful products to begin with... then I heard "I can't hear you over my money!" and I completely lost it!

[@chooseymomschoose]

It's still whataboutism. Yes, all cars are wasteful. An electric car is so much less wasteful and polluting that replacing any ICE car is still worth the carbon impact of its production.

[@updlate4756]

@@chooseymomschoose But wasteful nonetheless. If we really talked about wastefullness, smaller battery cars are even less wasteful than these longer range BEVs... but then how would people take their 2x a year 500 mile road trip! *gasp* Even small battery cars may be more wasteful than PHEVs, in that as savagegeese mentioned, the thing truly holding back BEVs is resources to build the batteries. Put a 15 kWh battery into a PHEV versus a 75 kWh battery in a model 3 LR, and suddenly you can produce 5x as many electric cars. Sure, they only reduce tailpipe emissions by 70-95% versus a BEV's 100%... but we're also replacing 5x as many ICEs with them. Each kg of battery resources is being used more efficiently to reduce emissions in PHEVs than it is in long range BEVs. Really though, the best thing we can do for the environment is reduce the amount of new cars we sell, and reduce the number of miles each individual puts on the cars they already own. This is far more critical than trying to mass produce BEVs today. There are ways we could drop personal vehicle based emissions by 30-40% today if the world actually took the problem seriously. 4 day work weeks instead of 5. Telecommuting 1-2 days per week. Biking to work 1-2 days per week. Suddenly it's easy to realize that a person who owns a car may only need to use it 1 day a week, instead of the 7 days they're currently using it. Instead, people like Elon Musk have convinced a lot of people that only his products can save the world. *face palm*

[@Remedy21]

Haha. I get that. . But life is short. Treat yourself.

[@tboneforreal]

When full automation becomes a reality, car ownership will change to more of a service over time and thus be less wasteful. Instead of having a car sitting in a driveway, parking lot, or garage 90% of the time doing nothing, they will be more like Uber or Lyft moving around taking people from one destination to another all the time.

[@dsugioaga]

Everything you buy and consume is wasteful. Reducing the waste ist still a worthy goal, though. EVs are generally less wasteful than ICE vehicles, so it's worth it. Yes, battery production produces a lot of CO2 but so does burning fossil fuels and - more importantly - drilling, refining and distributing gasoline/diesel. Even with a mixed power grid (with plenty of coal power plants) EVs tend to emit less CO2 and they also produce far less local air pollution than ICE vehicles and therefore improve air quality where people live. And in many ways EV technology is still in its infancy since automakers focused on the ICE for so long... The main advantage of the ICE today is range/convenience (for now) and, like SG mentioned, the fun factor for enthusiasts...

[@K-fp4iv]

Things he he looked into such as tesla’s operation model resembling lean startup, and research articles on the big screens and distractions while driving. These shows the level of detail that this guy is devoted to. I dont think any other reviewers touched upon these things

[@dangrass]

Disagree. All he did was regurgitate ancient FUD.

[@macaron3141592653]

All reviewers gush over how cool it is while also demonstrating how complicated simple tasks have become by staring down at the screen and opening and closing menus. Only Carwow has mentioned that some more buttons might be nice.

[@waynerussell6401]

Not to mention voice control was negligent - or ignorant. Over 80 commands without touching the screen. Not to mention Teslas are the safest cars ever tested in USA is negligent. The whole not enough resources to replace all the ICE is ignorant. If ICE OEMS were really wanting to be competitive/survive, they would be making their own batteries as Tesla has shown. Sept 22 was the turning point. In Europe tipping point has been reached with 10% adoption. Mid 20's its all over for ICE.

[@wyw201]

@@waynerussell6401 When you say all over for ICE, do you mean EVs will overtake ICEs on the road by 2025 globally? Is it possible to share your model used for this projection?

[@waynerussell6401]

@@wyw201 Not exactly. Every auto manufacturer realizes that ICE is dying. 2025 is the year that is finalized in major markets: * EU regulations based on the Paris Agreement stipulate 95gmCO2/km now. Manufacturers are struggling to meet that with hybrids by the end of this year or face huge fines. FCA can't and are paying Tesla enough in credits to build a new factory in Europe that will destroy FCA. In 2025 the limit falls again to a level where only EVs can comply. * China has incentives that favour BEVs designed to convert totally to EVs. Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) forecasts EV sales will increase to 11 million EVs sold worldwide in 2025 - with China 50% of global EV sales. * Many regions and countries now exceed double digit of sales now EVs with some months EV sales beating ICE. Even in USA California (5th biggest economy in world) Tesla Model 3 best selling car Q1 2020, best selling premium car whole country. * Tesla demonstrates that EVs can be higher performance, cheaper, more tech features, safer. Recent future plans and battery breakthroughs announced Sept 22 mean ICE will soon be cheaper to make at the entry level. GM says it will be parity next year with far less ability. Tesla plan to make 20M vehicles by 2030. * Autonomy will cut vehicle numbers to 20% of current urban traffic by 2030 (Seba). * Consumer acceptance of better tech is historically very rapid (tipping point at 10%, S curve goes vertical), especially when it is cheaper and more convenient. Surveys show that car buyers do consider EVs in their future choices. * Many ICE producers and support industries, traditionally uneconomic and propped up with Government money, will continue to collapse, unable to make the change financially or skill, or will deficient. Others will amalgamate into huge conglomerates which are slow to innovate, infight and then collapse again. This needs to be complete before the 2025 regulations. * “We slept (…) it will be bloody!” Peter Mertens, Head of Audi R&D, former board member of Audi, Volkswagen, Volvo, Faurecia, and Jaguar Land Rover in June 2020. cleantechnica.com/2020/10/15/to-pay-or-not-to-pay-the-eu-fines-the-carmakers-conundrum/ www.caroli.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/s-curve-real-life.png www.caroli.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/s-curve-real-life.png www.rethinkx.com/transportation-executive-summary www.altenergymag.com/article/2019/12/59-of-consumers-next-car-will-likely-be-electric/32351 cleantechnica.com/2020/06/13/there-will-be-blood-peter-mertens-former-head-of-audi-rd-we-all-did-sleep/

[@dannoyes4493]

Ironically, your brutal honesty regarding Tesla makes you its best salesman.

[@saratc660]

As an engineering grad and student pursuing my master’s, it’s unbelievable the amount of engineering concepts that savagegeese incorporates. He would make a fantastic systems engineer

[@patrickstonetree1]

He used to work in tech, based on saying 'kernel panic' this guy has regularly been at a BASH console.

[@kenangedik3678]

Yeah, he’s definitely some kind of engineer outside of youtube. In the last video, his partner on the channel (I think his name was jack) said that he was a mechanical engineer as well.

[@saratc660]

Kenan Gedik I think he said “that’s where the mechanical engineering degree came in handy” but wasn’t sure

[@_IMNNO]

He had a career in IT, based on the podcast with SmokingTire.

[@savagegeese]

Just need to get my engineering degree online from 4chan university and I will dominate.

[@anonymousfu]

I've driven a Model 3 for about 5 months now. I don't find the screen especially distracting because the car does most things for you automatically. I get up in the morning and the car automatically preheats itself (if it's cold), I walk up to the car and just get in (it automatically unlocks when it detects my phone), the seat and steering wheel warmers automatically turn on, the car looks at my Google calendar and automatically navigates me to where I'm going next, media I control via the steering wheel controls. It also has voice control for some things, e.g., "Navigate home".

[@MCG31]

Ah yes, Ask Jeeves, the true gentlemen's search engine

[@SiisKolkytEuroo]

Do you even know what a web browser is

[@MCG31]

@@SiisKolkytEuroo search engine, your right I'm an idiot. In my defense it was early.

[@nfugitt89]

Their Easter eggs 20 years ago were incredible to me as a kid

[@savagegeese]

I cant stop researching on Jeeves.

[@markm0000]

savagegeese He knows how to satisfy my wonders just right.

[@skip741x3]

These reviews are Head and Shoulders above most of whats out there...Extremely in depth and comprehensive, an amazing amount of information

[@puhala]

Disclaimer: I am a Tesla Model 3 Performance owner. First -- I love this channel and the content you guys put out. It's well produced, and made for car enthusiasts. The screen chemistry and real conversation between Mark & Jack works on so many levels. Too bad Jack doesn't chime in on this one. Secondly -- I agree with most of your points both for and against the Tesla Model 3 from a "car guy" perspective. Though, the performance version takes on a slightly different personality in both handling and daily driving. With respect to the screen distraction. As an owner for 2 years of my performance model 3 -- it's a non issue. You get used to where and how to quickly get where you need to be. That said, your last video on the Mini Cooper Electric (also, very good) fails to mention the blend of physical switches/knobs, etc with the digital user interface. Your charging infrastructure criticism: 90% of the time (if not more), you are charging at home if you have a garage or carport. Before my Tesla Model 3, I had a Alfa Romeo Guilia Quadrifoglio -- It's a good contrast and brings much of the "emotion" of driving to the foreground that you mention in this video. The Model 3 does not have the same soul or "enthusiast" feeling to it. Yet, it does feel like the future of the automobile in many ways -- which you mention. Again -- This channel is required watching for any car enthusiast. Nice work!!

[@MrTaliz]

Michael Puhala I also own an M3P. Regarding the screen... in other cars you may use CarPlay or android auto, but those cars don't have anything close to autopilot. Autopilot makes it much much safer to use the screen. You shouldn't take your eyes of the road even with autopilot, but when you do for a second or so it's very comforting to know the car will automatically take care of most situations that could arise.

[@Kristjan_N]

Hi! You mention that it is a nonissue. I think you are wrong in that, as: - using a touch screen while driving is dangerous due to the fact of how our brains work: we are unable to multitask, but instead switch focus between tasks. - even if a person (let's say you) is responsible and looks on the screen only while standing at a red light for example (to change temperature in A/C or whatever), I am very sure that most people are not like that, and will use the screen while driving. - looking at people driving who take their phone out to use it even for 5 seconds makes it obvious how dangerous it is: nothing happens until a dangerous situation arises and may result in an accident. Anyway, safe driving and hopefully you do not use the screen while driving.

[@puhala]

@@Kristjan_N appreciate the call out to distracted driving. No doubt, playing with your phone or messing with a touch screen while driving is dangerous. No argument there. Many of the touch screen functions can be controlled via voice as well. . The only function that does require some attention is adjusting the vents. So, this should only be done while stopped or in park.

[@onwardthruthefog]

The screen interface is simply the best I've ever used in a car. After 2 years driving a LR AWD there is no way I'm anything but a safer driver in this car. Not even close to the prior BMW and Lexus I've owned. Very good review but the screen as a distraction or safety issue is a non-starter for myself.

[@Hapkin]

Those two are on my list M3P & 2020 QV. Do you miss the emotion and handling?

[@deand6411]

Tesla Model 3 Performance Owner. Mine was about the 200,000 one made. Previously owned 2 Lexus RXs one was hybrid. C5 Corvette, Miata, RX7, 3 CRVs, a Prius, Jeep Wrangler etc. Lots of different cars. Some expensive some not as much but fun like the Miata. Here is what I will say, my Model 3 Performance is the fastest car on the road that also has a baby seat in the back. It's beyond Corvette acceleration. I cannot describe the level of performance. Forget the screen, forget the paint, I could only dream I could win the lottery to get a car this fast and fun to drive before this car existed. Forget it seats four people, does not attract cops, and is awesome in the snow, and mostly lets me control levels of acceleration way beyond my skill level, for 50,000. It is like some sort of gift from the car gods where all of a sudden your 50k car is faster than 100,000k cars and it never needs to go to the shop for overpriced oil changes. Just rotate the tires. It's the democracation of performance. Not good for long road trips but it can do it, if that is something you car about avoid. Huge loss of range in east coast winters, not good. Holds value like no new car I have ever owned. Buying experience without shitty sales people, omg, dealers are such a horrible business model. If you don't like change, you will not like this car, it is trying to change everything and some things like the door handles suck. But the performance, I cannot even describe it.

[@captjack1993]

With so many fan boy channel you found when search Model 3 in KZbin, it can be so hard to find a honest review to help me on my purchase decision. This is a true none bias review, very insightful, Thank you.

[@dwightbell5124]

Regarding the study if people being distracted due to the touch screen. Most (if not all) Tesla owners know you can use voice command for most things. For example, turn the wipers on or off, change the climate, change the radio station, etc. But some people don't read the manual.

[@wyw201]

That's bloody awful if you have to scroll through a manual and talk to your car to do those things. Much less effort exerted when you have a knob.

[@tolegonianfella5423]

He was obviously being hyperbolic. Regardless, like it’s the most awful thing in the world to open up A manual? I’m assuming you’re also being a bit hyperbolic. He just means some people aren’t aware that there is a voice controls for these features. You don’t need to read anything, it’s pretty self intuitive. Just like you don’t need to read anything to figure out the voice Control of your smart phone or Alexa or Google home. Calm down with your knob obsession

[@wyw201]

@@tolegonianfella5423 Is the knob obsession another hyperbole?

[@theeyedol9369]

As soon as I purchase a car, I read the manual as soon as I arrive home after purchase. I’ve done it for every car I had so far.

[@tolegonianfella5423]

Chocoretto Ha ha, yes very good. Look at you catching on

[@handlealreadytaken]

I own a Y Performance and this review is very spot on if you are a car person. I'm looking for a weekend car as we speak as I miss the audible experience that all my prior cars had.

[@keving7940]

@@layne4376 I would factor in practicality for a dd, but who knows those things are magic and will just hypnotize your wallet to pay for it

[@DuvJones]

You know that is interesting. It's something that I have been thinking about... that "Theatre" as I heard it described else where. I will be honest, I have some context of cars despite not driving one, and yes, that is a thing. You feel that. It's part of the experience of driving and with BEV's, that doesn't exist.... If you are coming from an ICE car and drive an EV's, their is just so much that the "theatre" covers which will feel like this HUGE hole in the experience. I have nothing that really solves that, sure you can modulate a motor sound... but it's not going to be quite the same, and for some drivers that audio reference is important and part of the skill of driving. Having nothing will be jarring. But then, maybe in 10-20 years time, you are going to deal with a set of consumers where, they don't have the concept of a 4 cylinder engine or engine sound, period. They expect touch screens EVERYWHERE. They expect the ride to be virtually silent. Where an BEV's is the baseline, not the luxury. And because of that lack of "Theatre", the baseline for the bare minimum is MUCH higher. You are beginning to see it with other BEV's in the market, even the bare-bones is a little higher when it comes to the quality because without the "Theatre", they are noticeable. The future is interesting, but the way forward is still an unpaved path.

[@handlealreadytaken]

Johnny K if you don’t have to deal with snow then a C7 Grand Sport would be my pick. Otherwise I’m not sure about the handling of a Stinger to judge it but I would want something in a manual.

[@keving7940]

@@layne4376 I would say just reduce your friends to none ,)

[@Lawlsforlawls]

@Johnny K Interesting that you brought up those 2 vehicles. I currently have a stock '19 Stinger GT2 AWD and considering a model 3 DM, possibly springing up to a Performance model. Stinger is nice as a daily, a lot of nice features and luxuries, but I do have gripes with it. If you like sound, you're going to want to modify the exhaust. The handling and ride need some aftermarket help as well; something about how the car handles bumps could be improved, and when you're trying to carve up a corner, you'll get some gnarly body roll, which moves around the 4000+ lbs of weight and reduces your overall cornering grip. There are positives though; the engine is nice and strong, not a lot of turbo lag, the car glides on good pavement/ highways, the car is a huge lightly used bargain, awesome daily practicality, and you can make about +100 bhp pretty cheap. Overall, stock for stock, the M3P is probably a much better "sports-daily" mix car, but if you're open to some mods on the Stinger, I've seen you can bring the car up to like bmw M3 (stock) levels for sooo much cheaper and more reliably.

[@PIPERBOYWILLIAMS]

this guy reads a lot. He can talk about anything and make you watch for atleast 97% of his content on any subject.

[@1malikalik]

I agree. His narration makes for an easy listen as well. Not to mention he can be comical too. Savagegeese is in a whole different stratosphere. None of that, "quirks and features".

[@dansnyder6132]

I changed out my 2002 manual wrx for a model Y performance and my initial impressions were that the single pedal driving and features are so alien compared to my manual wagon that it was not off-putting to transition over to this kind of drivetrain. Already used to not fiddling with car features I didn't find the touch screen distracting. Actually the wireless charger cradle forced me to put away my phone until I'm done driving. I will say the build quality is just okay, taking the car in for manufacturing defect fixes this week.. overall Im liking the car a lot however.

[@pedrofernandez8729]

My friend's 3 had to have the windshield moved up 1/4 in. it was causing wind noise.

[@trustbuster23]

I had one as a rental car and put about 500 miles on it. Bottom line: It has a lot to recommend it, but the build quality is really just not there. This is a surprisingly spacious, comfortable, quiet, quick car, with excellent visibility and a lot of really nice features. I really didn't find the lack of physical controls anywhere near as aggravating as I expected that to be. I found I got used to it pretty quickly and the lack of a speedometer right in front of you is also far less annoying than you might expect. But it isn't all good. When I turned the car in, it had about 2,500 miles on the odometer. So the car they handed me was essentially brand new. The dashboard developed an annoyingly loud rattle near the end of my rental. Both rear brake lights were not properly sealed from the weather and already clouded with moisture, there was an obvious, large defect in the fabric in the dash that should never have left the factory. When you put the car in park, the sound of the automatic parking brake engaging suggests a cheap mechanism that will likely fail soon. If I thought it were better put together, I might very well have bought one, it is an impressive vehicle in a lot of ways, but I'm going to look elsewhere. I can't see spending that kind of money to get that level of build quality.

[@samuelorellana2603]

7:27 "...and keep it bug-free" as Mothra flies by

[@HeyItsCoates]

3:03, The stain on the steering column...did the person that rented this prior to Mark enjoy driving a Tesla a bit too much?

[@fabulousprofound]

Must have spilled his latte while sleeping in autonomous mode on the highway 💤

[@23Piccolina]

Guy jizzed, I noticed it too. Clearly, the people who love these cars are a bit over the top.

[@aaronbryan5095]

That's just how enthusiastic Tesla fanboys are.

[@23Piccolina]

@@aaronbryan5095 They need to get a life away from a screen in their hand, in their laps, and now in their cars! Probably someone was watching porn on the internet in that car. lol

[@lockhart1895]

😂😭

[@leebr2010]

I love the honesty of the reviews. Please do an update on a new 2022 Tesla and see how they have improved. The quality has improved a lot and as you said, the parts are changing all the time.

[@nickb8321]

Consistency is everything and Savagegeese has yet again produced another gem of a review. No starry eyed embracing of EV technology or misplaced reverence for Tesla, but instead a critically considered and piercingly perceptive look at the Model 3 and the brand behind it. There is simply no one else of the same calibre producing this level of intelligent and compelling car reviews. This channel deserves to see at least a couple of million subscribers. Keep up the great work!!

[@AmaxterPlays]

Massive respect to you for renting this out of pocket to review.

[@meatbeansandcheese]

This is a business expense when tax season comes around plus he will generate at least enough ad revenue from the video to pay back the rental fee. Just congratulate the guy on being a great reviewer, not a martyr.

[@bogeybichon7000]

@@meatbeansandcheese He is not in a 100% tax bracket, so it ultimately cost him money. Give him some credit for wanting to maintain his ability to remain objective.

[@wesleywalls7582]

This may be the best, objective approach, but let’s not pretend he went way out of his way or to some unimaginably great length or cost to simply “rent a car.” Seriously. It’s probably easier than getting a corporate test car OR an owner’s car to review.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

The cameras used to film this video probably cost 20x more than the car rental fees. P.S. Tesla almost never gives out press cars, so this straw man argument about paid reviews is bogus.

[@braetonwilson4296]

He made 30X more money in ad revenue for this video than what he paid to rent the Tesla ($160 for 24 hours in the Illinois area).

[@firedude1Productions]

How this guy does not have 1 million subs by now, or even 500k subs, boggles my mind. He's got one of, if not the best, quality car review vids on this platform

[@KC-bv9kf]

I think the knowledge base of the average viewer here is probably significantly higher than most other channels

[@1malikalik]

@@KC-bv9kf Good point there KC. The audience of Savagegeese are intellectually advanced .We are not easily impressed by "quirks and features...."

[@samrapheal1828]

@@KC-bv9kf Correctamundo maximus 🎯

[@FloatingWeeds2]

@@1malikalik very true. You have to be very intelligent to enjoy this content!

[@aircanuck]

I've never liked a car review channel enough to buy a t-shirt from them however, now there is a well dressed goose on my chest.

[@blackstaticband]

lol could be worse I guess

[@michaelgrayson409]

You're next level, Mr Goose. You've long been differentiated from other channels with the underbody segment and eye towards repairability and long-term issues (eg. Direct injection fouling intake valves). Partnering with Chicago Auto Pros elevates you even further. Nobody else gets this detailed and comprehensive. Thanks for what you do. The work doesn't go unnoticed.

[@crazy2242]

we need more reviewers like this, one of the most neutral and spot on car reviews I've ever watched! You earn yourself a subscriber

[@billfong7861]

Once again, you provided the most honest review of the Tesla Model 3. The huge central console tablet is a big no like for me and the interior just seems cheap. It needs a HUD. I don't care that I can watch Netflix on the center screen. I don't like buying v. 1 mentality either.

[@craiglitchfield791]

Best and most thoughtful Tesla review I’ve seen. Great job

[@csincos989]

Agreed. As Mark did mention, the infancy of the EV auto market, R&D and manufacturing, (what he has provided) is the "foundry of more to come". Hope the naysayers are willing to understand my roughly quoted transcription.

[@Taylordrifts]

I just want to say thank you for the great content. People always talk about how cool KZbin is for being able to watch free content, but this is the definition of free content. I know a ton of time must have gone into all these videos, and I really enjoy the approach.

[@staffanstuff]

By far the best Tesla review I've seen and I've seen a looooot of 'em.

[@qx4n9e1xp]

I normally wouldn't believe how cultish Tesla fans are until I met this buddy of mine who's obsessed with the company. Showed me his Tesla stock every day in school, pre-ordered his Cybertruck, and most importantly, defends and overlooks the company's large history of negative practices and negative feedback from existing owners. I would never buy a Tesla based on Elon's public stunts or the company's "tech marvels" I would buy based on it being a good product backed by real-world expirience from people. Tesla fans don't seem to think so. They're too loyal.

[@kingtad205]

If i buy a Tesla id buy it because of safety, efficiency, power and tech. Not for Elon or his methods. Im a Tesla fan too and lots of us are diehards but alot of us aren't loyal to Tesla, we're loyal to what Tesla offers. If Ford offered the same level of safety, performance and affordability as well as low maintenance price, id consider them

[@difflocktwo]

Why go to school if you can afford stocks and a truck?

[@scottymonochrome3795]

@@kingtad205 I'm particularly turned off from Tesla as a DIY owner. I modify my cars, I upgrade things, adjust suspension geometry, etc. But as you begin to do that with a Tesla, you run into Manufacturer pushback. And I mean sure, doing much of any kind of "mod" will void warranties, that's not what I'm talking about. I mean, 'oh there's more power left in my base model Tesla, I'm gonna get that power out of it myself' has been answered with 'you MUST pay Tesla, and ONLY Tesla, to do that'. That shit infuriates me - The purchasing model that Tesla uses blows donkey dix. If I want to go to an Indy Performance Shop and have them 'tune' my Tesla, I ought to be able to do that without being locked out of other unrelated features, like the charging network.

[@kingtad205]

@@scottymonochrome3795 that is completely true. With you know, you're a car guy so a Tesla wouldn't be fitting for you. I'm also a car guy so my plan would be to use the Tesla as a long distance commuter while having a project car that I can mod. Maybe a WRX or somethin

[@kingtad205]

@Bronze XV70 but would a leaf or prius have the same Technology, safety and performance?

[@thomasbihn]

You can press the right steering wheel knob and give it voice commands. Also, the Netflix, KZbin apps, and games don't run when out of park. Regarding supercharging, if you have a garage, you can plug in for a full charge. I haven't used a supercharger in over a year now. Loved the honest review.

[@margar1983]

Pays money out of pocket to give a REAL review. Love it. Always look forward to a Savagegeese review. What happen to Turbowski and now the guy who used to do the videos at the end with “oh this is the guy your leaving me for” ??

[@Harry-hyl]

He's doing his own thing, not enough time to work on the videos. Said it in a recent live stream

[@tpiper1021]

Savage move to have final thoughts on a Tesla with a 911 in the background.

[@derbigpr500]

Well, he had to balance all the poor engineering and badly built piles of plastic that we've been watching in the rest of the video with an actual proper machine at the end.

[@simongchadwick]

@@derbigpr500 Seconded!

[@knightrider693]

Too much time around electric cars make u impotent so he threw in that gas powered panty wetter

[@yaybeats7305]

As far back as I can remember, I've always had this pure and unbiased obsession and love for cars and the automotive industry. I used to embrace innovation and change. However, after driving for years now, my obsession with cars has grown past window shopping and fast and furious montages. The older i get the more i am attached to the driving experience and its importance. Ive always loved driving however I've become so attached to the past and to what i know and love. the pure enthusiast in me is excited for the potential of EVs. But, the experienced enthusiast in me is going to miss the engine sound and rumble, shifting gears and physically feeling the change in rpm under my feet, the feeling of control and reassurance i get from driving.Speed is just a wow factor but its rewards will decrease and for that reason, I just don't see how EVs could possibly give me a better driving experience when they lack personality and interactivity. in short, I am torn.

[@Dxun2]

Finally - the best Tesla 3 review on the internet. Thank you, Mark!

[@Camhin1]

As someone in the IT field I can't stand "tech people". They're so annoying when it comes to the favorite tech companies.

[@michaelsundarev5818]

They're wankers. They don't solve any problems with their "solutions", they only add a new environment layer for a new troubles to appear...

[@eronan03]

I wear a “Go ahead. Blame the network” 1000 eyes shirt. We get a bad rap because of the nonsense moving over our network. It is all too common that bean counters determine such a network is /isn’t sufficient. riiiiiiight...

[@jetx2599]

Same I have 3 stem degrees and interned at NASA but these “tech” people annoy me. They think just because they own a Tesla it somehow makes them smarter than people who don’t.

[@infiltr80r]

They're usually simpletons, that's why they're compensating. I notice actual tech people rarely get excited over new technology.

[@JuiceBoxScott]

Did Tesla not use voice command when this video was made? Seems like it was either ignored or just completely missed.

[@goonable2]

Spot on review. I've been driving only Tesla's for the past 4 years (Model S, X and currently Model Y) and as a daily driver it's fantastic and handles well enough And now with the longer ranges & supercharging infrastructure makes for a great road trip car as well. However, the long time car guy in me does miss all the tinkering I used to do, the visceral sounds that high powered ICE car brings and the fact that a Tesla is NOT a sports car rings true. It's just a very fast & satisfying daily driver that requires much less annual maintenance. But that extra time & money does allow me to have that weekend ICE sports or muscle car . From my non-green perspective, it's the best of both worlds ;-)

[@topgunm]

Same. M3LR here. Great daily, but it'a soulless. Plug it in daily. Lots of range. I have only needed to SC it 4-5 times (900km of total SC charging) in a total of 12k KM driven. So time saved vs a ICE as a daily in terms of tanking up at a gas station. Love the instant torque, the app for heating/cooling the car, great seats, quiet, great visibility, awesome audio system, and it handles well for the weight. For fun I take my ICE car to the track.

[@ryanmcewen4025]

Thank you Mark for this great review. The in-depth comments on the Model 3’s handling characteristics are much appreciated. Also, the quality of your video production is outstanding.

[@MrGonzonator]

bear in mind this one is the rear-wheel drive, the four-wheel is better behaved and more capable.

[@paulmlemay]

Dude, I have owned this car for one year and you nailed the review

[@anthonycrutcher6048]

It is absolutely mind blowing how underestimated your channel is. The quality in your videos is sorely missing in all other car "review" channels. Wishing you the success you deserve!

[@markshaz8691]

That's the best Tesla review I have seen on KZbin. Thanks for being honest.

[@FreeForAllFreak]

This is the most in-depth car review ever conceived on KZbin. Well done SG!

[@ShenghongZhang]

7:26 "keep it bug free" A bug casually flew by...

[@JoeGezahegn]

Wow, I was expecting a Chevy Trax or Arbys level of slander toward the model 3. The review was actually very fair on all the criticisms.

[@JoeGezahegn]

@@rishavroy3756 ​ I've been a subscriber of his for at least two years now and agree, he's great. In those two years I know how much he's talked about piano black plastics, physical buttons being replaced by a UI, panel gaps, etc. Tesla's have all the above lol. I think he expressed all these criticism calmer than usual.

[@GodzUnit01]

5:08 The storage door alert is rather simple and works for that door only and not the upper door. That specific storage area has a light that turns on when the lid is opened. Close the lid and the light turns off. When the light is turned on and off repeatedly without a long break in between, it’ll trigger the alert. You don’t have to be closing it hard to trigger the alert. Simply move the lid up and down repeatedly near to the close position and it’ll trigger the alert. You’re welcome.

[@kosd5293]

Mark, you’re a master presenter. Loved the final thoughts and how you tied the loss of clean energy back to the EV movement and how all vehicles are essentially wasteful. Great video!

[@moguls914]

"My father owns more factories than you have teeth! I can't hear you over my money!!!" 😂😂😂

[@johnbacon4997]

Tesla seems to have become the rich kid car now. Instead of a BMW tesla is the new deal

[@moguls914]

That, and pickup trucks. Where I work the engineers have Teslas, and the operators that like to show off have pickups or BMW/Mercs if they're older. VW's for millennials.

[@johnbacon4997]

@@moguls914 not around here, PNW US

[@moguls914]

@@johnbacon4997 Ah see I'm in the Northeastern US

[@johnbacon4997]

@@moguls914 I love comparing different regions of the US and there auto cultures. In seattle literally ever other car is a Tesla or something german. While in Spokane my town, teslas are pretty rare and the go too luxury car is the Lexus NX

[@ivanzecena2888]

Thanks!

[@mulehead3697]

Great video thanks for spending your money to achieve a honest assessment of this car.

[@LawrenceMarkFearon]

You spent a lot more time than usual producing this video and started long before Sept. This video is a masterwork of pragmatic and yet philosophical editorial on Teslas's place in this world. Utterly fantastic for deep introspection into the state of driving and the EV in our world.

[@alessio54321]

0:17 we really appreciate that you go out of your way to make your reviews unbiased, keep up the great work👍.

[@stevemartegani]

"Keep it bug free..." *Giant bug flies past head*

[@isaacjamestea9652]

one of the best parts of the video. Unclear if was planned or not!

[@raullasvegas]

@@isaacjamestea9652 The bug was added post-production, Mark is just that good

[@SanMartianRover]

I SWEAR HE PUT THAT IN THERE, HAHAHA

[@theophilusthistler5885]

In Australia with those panel gaps Huntsman spider would be my main issue.

[@brianpmack]

I'm there with you on the soulful aspect of internal combustion engines. Still, the same things could be said about steam engines on trains...

[@hockeyfun]

You make a good point. I was thinking that at one point people must have loved to feel the power of the horse they were riding and couldn't understand why others would want to give that up for a car that was restricted to roads and would keep breaking down.

[@cbromley562]

We've been running an SR+ here in the UK for over a year now, and it was great to hear the opinions of a car person. We charge at home, use the supercharger network for long journeys, and enjoy free electric at friends and family. Our home electric is 100% renewable, and we have solar. I've driven a few muscle cars here and in the States, and (especially in the US) love the sound anf feel of a V8. However, we now enjoy the characteristic sounds of the electric motor, which brings a smile to our faces...and the passengers. Once you've set the car up as you want it, via 'settings', you seldom touch the screen (you can go for miles and complete journeys without touching it). Like anything new, you have to understand it and get used to it. Drivers of supposedly safer, dial-and-button cars, are habitually on their phones, and fiddling with laggy infotainment screens. We've just tried using the browser and youtube while driving, and it wouldn't let us....maybe that's a recent sofware update? Also, should the screen go blank or hang, the car will drive normally, even autopilot, and you just reboot by pressing holding the two button wheels on the steering wheel...there are videos of people demonstrating this. But the fundamental software for driving the car is 'hard baked' with redundancy. There'll always be the opportunity to take your 'classic' out for a blast, but we think electric is the way to go, at least with the Tesla. For a purpose built sports car, what about the Taycan...or wait for the Roadster. Anyway, looking forward to your follow up videos, they're a totally different stance to the 'fanboy' stuff...although, have to admit we're fanboys ourselves.

[@larryspiller15]

The infotainment has NEVER allowed video playback while the car is in drive. If the touch screen does go out you still have wiper and headlight controls are on the wheel anyways.

[@larryspiller15]

Had he done better research he would of known these details. www.tesla.com/en_CA/VehicleSafetyReport Yeah I'm a fanboy but that knock is misleading.

[@Vicobop]

Great review! I appreciate the pros and cons being so level headed. I have been very critical of this vehicle's overreliance on one screen to do it all, but the rest continues to appeal in its own way to me. I still occassionaly think I could get one. I just can't afford it and I truly can't get past the lack of buttons. You didn't touch on how you have to look right to see your speed and other data normally in the instrument cluster (blinkers, for example). Was that jarring? What I also can't get past or forgive is making rear seat heater controls relegated to the front screen. That's just lazy cost cutting. Why should rear seat occupants feel bothered to ask the front occupants to control something for them, to turn it on then off when they feel too warm. My other issue is one I hear often from Tesla owners, but also general EV owners: it's not expensive, it's actually cost saving. No. It's not. Not if you're a working class person. If you rent in an apartment building, good luck convincing the property management company you want EV charging ports. You also cannot rely on or fully depend on the concept of gas money saved because unless you drive a lot, you aren't saving all that much. Then it's a question of whether the lease or finance costs are similar and tax incentives in place to offset the EV cost. In Canada the BASE Model 3 is now 52K. Tesla's site continues to use the misleading "potential savings" price as the first monthly price you see on the configurator. So you think your car will actually be costing you around 474$/m (before taxes) on a lease. But look closer: over 5000$ down payment (which on a lease is basically money thrown away), 16 000km lease, and the gas and tax credit savings are factored in. So no it's not at all comparable to an equivalent car around that price range or even a lower end one. You don't get an EV to save money. Not until it's a used vehicle with tax incentives still available and an already existing infrastructure. Any other claim is borne out of class privilege. To be blind to the mass market's economical and geographical realities.

[@dcarts5616]

I agreed right up until “class privilege”. Oh shut up!

[@Vicobop]

@@dcarts5616 🤷‍♀️

[@camwhit8892]

I like Tesla, I'd give it 6 years and it'll be affordable and more reliable

[@lonerider5315]

I’m no huge Tesla fan, but it’s prolly the only new car I would ever consider buying. I’m a mechanic so I’ll buy one used in ten years after I learn the EV mechanic ropes

[@JCDenton95]

Hey man, sorry to bother you, but how does one get started as a mechanic?

[@MapleTalkative2]

@@JCDenton95 study

[@lonerider5315]

The 95th Phantom of you understand lefty loosy and righty righty, grab a wrench and start taking things apart. Just concentrate on the task and be organized so you can put things back together. Also read. Lots of reading will happen when trying to diagnose a car.

[@jameswilson8907]

@@JCDenton95 I'd suggest making sure you're truly interesting in thishe field before jumping in headfirst, it's a very large in investment both in time and monetarily to become a competent mechanic. And it is also a career of passion as you won't be making boatloads of money despite what you put into it. I suggest starting off by going to harbor freight, buying a cheap set of tools and start to do things like changing your own oil or brakes. If you find it's something you enjoy doing than a great way to get into the business is by going to a tech school. They're typically only a 2 year program and tool distributors such as Snap-On, Mac, and Matco usually offer very well priced starter sets of tools as well as deals on other things to students. Also as stated above read, read and read. You'll constantly be learning new things and the best way to stay ahead of the curve and constantly improving is to soak up as much knowledge as possible. Lastly if you're just starting now learn EV and hybrid systems. In 10 years nearly everything will have them in one way or another.

[@andreybondarenko3042]

@@JCDenton95 Don't go into it, honestly. This is one of the worst careers out there. Actually, this isn't a "career", this is a dead end. Straight path to disappointment and depression.

[@crazysnipez5]

As a Model 3 owner I really liked this review. Never seemed too pushed in either direction and generally just felt really honest. I love my car but i’m not gonna deny that there’s a pretty solid number of issues with Tesla cars, i’m just happy to deal with the occasional problem if it means I can drive my Model 3 every day.

[@andresponce305]

This channel is gold. Absolutely amazing content

[@zzkeokizz]

I’m on my 3rd Prius so the “rocket ship” thrust is less of an attribute to me. I already experience a lesser form of thrust daily. I’m glad you talked about the lack of a heat pump. I live in New England so I’d get another Prius rather than get a car sans heat pump. I also miss my knobs and switches. This is one of your best reviews. Thank you!

[@Jordan_Schiefer]

Anyone else catch the edit mistake at 30:08? Like panel gap in video editing... but for real this is a great video and I hope y'all cover all Teslas. Love your breakdowns, and your video quality is beyond anyone's.

[@weswest8666]

Great idea interviewing the detailer to get the REAL details on build quality

[@KGungo]

without commenting on Tesla in particular, i'd like to provide some context to your last section in which you talk about the relative cleanliness of EVs vs gasoline cars. you suggest that because cars are pretty wasteful things by nature, EVs aren't really a solution to our environmental problems. and it's true that they don't solve all our problems, and it's true that they create special new problems. but in terms of CO2 emissions, EVs come out as a clear and dramatic winner, as shown by pretty much every attempt to quantify the question. one example from the UCS: www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/attach/2015/11/Cleaner-Cars-from-Cradle-to-Grave-full-report.pdf from cradle to grave - ie, *including* the cost of manufacturing and disposal, as well as daily use - a given EV will be responsible for about half the CO2 emissions of an ICE car living the same life. that's including the power plant, meaning it's true in an average town with an average mix of clean and CO2-emitting power sources. and it'll get better as our power sources become cleaner, as they've been doing for years. besides CO2, there are other positive effects. a huge chunk of air pollution over cities comes from vehicle exhaust, and chronic exposure to it increases the incidence of asthma, cancers, etc. gasoline, oil, and other fluids running off into sewers and soils pollutes groundwater. a significant part of urban noise pollution comes from ICEs. gas stations take up our space and time, which wouldn't be necessary if we could charge in our homes at night, or while we do our grocery shopping. ICEs make lots of vibrations and heat, so maintaining them can be expensive and time-consuming. i don't think this has to be about "right or wrong", and i don't expect anyone to choose an EV for themselves for ethical reasons. personally i'll hold onto my gasoline cars as long as it's practical. but most people don't care about revs and gears and exhaust notes. they just want to get from A to B. for those people, there will soon come a time when an EV is just better, and i want that time to come as soon as possible. life will be better for all of us with less smog, less emitted CO2, fewer oil-stained curbsides and driveways, and less noise. besides, are you really gonna miss ICE-powered Nissan Rogues and Hyundai Tucsons? most cars are already unspeakably boring. they might as well be cleaner.

[@Karen-pl8kd]

Co2 emissions don't really harm the planet as much as the "scientists" want you to believe. The planet has a mind of its own, when it feels like warming up, it just does and when it feels like cooling down, it just does. Notice how many living things in this earth have a brain. Why wouldn't the earth, the biggest living thing we know to exist have a brain also. Even if we don't know where its brain is, it just takes command from its creator to do what it does.

[@KGungo]

@@Karen-pl8kd aight bro

[@linyeful]

@@Karen-pl8kd You had me on the first sentence.

[@Karen-pl8kd]

@@linyeful 😉

[@haramaschabrasir8662]

KGungo, Thank you for that in-depth post.

[@jenskmigselv]

This is the first TM3 review I've seen mentioning cabin reverberation. I've had an LR for almost a year and I've never thought of it either.

[@geddonjt]

Best car reviews on the internet. Incredible job. Keep up the awesome work

[@tedsmart5539]

10:35 Elon bought into Tesla Motors in 2004 - a full year after the company was founded.

[@mdcohen]

He made it a condition of his investment that he would be called a, “founder.”

[@rcpmac]

So what?

[@mdcohen]

@@rcpmac He's not a founder but he had the real founders call him. He's interested in making myths. The rest of us don't have to play along.

[@theeyedol9369]

527 Jetra That’s why I’m excited for Rivian. Even though their market is for ‘adventurers’, I appreciate the competition. It’s gonna take some time for them to be a direct competitor to Tesla, since they had 15 years to be where they are at now.

[@BigHeadClan]

True but it also goes without saying that Tesla would have failed without him and while not there from day 1 he was still there during the very early years of the company.

[@davidsuzukiispolpot]

I have spent a lot of time on KZbin Tesla content. You are THE FIRST reviewer that seems trustworthy! And you know about sound and performance driving also. I am now subscribed.

[@JamesSmith-id4gc]

I just got my Model 3 a week ago and I'm surprised at how much they've improved build quality since this review. Paint is in great shape, no noticeable panel gaps. And most importantly, the piano black is gone!

[@BrianFrichette]

Regarding the final thoughts: EVs do have a significantly reduced carbon footprint over time than ICE powered vehicles. I know what you were getting at. They are still an environmental disaster. That's 100% true. But when you say "it's all about what you prefer", you make them sounds equivalent. They aren't. Even coal powered EVs have a much smaller carbon footprint over the life of the vehicle.

[@davidsuzukiispolpot]

There is a lot more to environmental footprint than CO2.

[@BrianFrichette]

@@davidsuzukiispolpot I agree it's complicated, but CO2 is something we can measure and something we desperately need to address. We can still have conversations about rare earth and lithium mining, sulfur dioxide emissions, nitrogen oxides, etc.

[@davidsuzukiispolpot]

@@BrianFrichette The news may be supressed, but there is terrible enviornmentla harm being done all around the world due to our concern about CO2 emissions, and there is no actual evidence or good scientific reason to beleive it is overall a huge harm - the harm is mostly theoretical modelling from unsuitable for purpose non-physical models. However, the harm due to bio-fuels is real, is happening now, and is evident. On balance, the best environmental action would be elimination of all bio-fuel subsidies and regulations increasing its use.

[@Kizzle001]

Wow to the “close lid gently”. I love the non biased review of this as a CAR first and not a Tesla. Good idea on renting this.

[@802Garage]

I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY MONEY! Amazing review man. No hype or BS.

[@zephead843]

Doug DeMuro: "TESLAS HAVE THE COOLEST TOUCHSCREENS!" Savagegeese: " So you wanna buy a Tesla? Listen to what I'm gonna tell you now."

[@wigletron2846]

I couldn't imagine watching a doug video on this. It would be 20 minutes of him going through menus on the touchscreen

[@macaron3141592653]

@@wigletron2846 he reviewed this months ago and gushed about all of the stupid technology

[@methos1999]

Ugh, I can't stand Doug DeMuro. I don't know what it is, like maybe there's a whiff of smugness about him... or just his presentation style. Either way I don't know why so many people love his channel.

[@nikoweindel1198]

@@methos1999 I have been following Doug DeMuro since he had about 300k subscribers. He used to be unique in his level of detail and unintentionally funny at the same time. And he used to have no problem bashing companies for their shit. But he stopped being critical completely, in order to maintain his relations with the industry and continuously get press cars. Now he is all "Look at those tech features, they are so cool!" Also he has become way too complacent and stopped evolving. That's why nowadays I only watch his reviews of older cars. They have real quirks, not just a bunchload of tech features, and that's where he excels. Also, in those videos he is not afraid to express his thoughts on stuff that's shit.

[@joelbosso1331]

@@nikoweindel1198 I still enjoy Doug's content but I see your point. I think Doug knows what he is doing has a shelf life...Hoovie is getting stale also.

[@dearbulls]

Have you tested the VW ID.4? Really interested to hear your thoughts and test on that vehicle

[@jooky87]

Wow finally an unbiased no fluff review on this car, knew it would be from Savage Geese crew

[@FSX239]

Well this aged well. During this video he states manufacturers just can't produce enough batteries to power a full line of vehicles. Two years later almost every manufacturer is committed to converting to an ev line up.

[@KP-xi4bj]

And yet, there are no hardly any buyers. LOL

[@FSX239]

@@KP-xi4bj I normally don't engage with this kind of back and forth. However the Tesla Model Y is the third best selling car on the planet. So when you say hardly anyone is buying them, that's like saying hardly anyone is buying a Ford F-150. Both are incredibly popular.

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@FSX239 Hardly, anyone is buying EVs if that makes any difference. Less than 3 % of global vehicles are EVs: "It is estimated that 1 in 250 cars on the road is electric, which equals a global market share of around 2.2% for electric vehicles." - 8 Billion Trees (February 1, 2023) P.S. Your Ford F-150 analogy was bad because everyone is buying them. FYI, it's the #1 selling vehicle in the US.

[@FSX239]

@@KP-xi4bj you're talking about F-150 Nationally here in the USA. I said Globally the Model Y is number 3 and accelerating. Anyways nothing is gonna be solved with this back and forth. Also there's no winning here. I posted my observations nothing more nothing less.

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@FSX239 Globally, everyone and their grandmas are buying the popular Toyota Corolla making it the number one selling vehicle in the world. So, again, it's not going to change the fact that hardly anyone is buying EVs.

[@AT-fi9dj]

This channel is the best. No b.s. no hype. Just down to business reviews so we don’t have to waste time. The dry humor is also fantastic

[@alexcoyg3281]

"Hey IT Nerd, design me an interior"

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

MiNiMaLiSm

[@KuyaArbee]

That interior is utter shit no joke! But Tesla fanboys see no fault in Tesla cars smh 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@alexcoyg3281]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Especially that screen, a real "MINImalistic" decision

[@mro9466]

It was fine until they put this stupid giant screen

[@TheHomeExpert5]

That is the best way to sum up the interior. Absolute zero Style, absolute cheapest materials. Except for the screen it's total crap.

[@Akedanai100]

"My father has more factories than you have teeth!! I can't hear you over my money" Best

[@scpdatabase69420]

To be fair about not having buttons, the steering wheel has audio control and you can control fan speed or temperature using voice control- which is also activated using the driver wheel

[@AuxKipchak]

I rented a Model 3 for a road trip a few months ago and think you're on the money. It's hard to imagine the future of commuters being anything else, but it's not something I could see myself paying the cash for now.

[@dageion2453]

One of, if not the best, review I’ve seen on this car and it’s features. Very informative, well done SG.

[@matthewgamble402]

Hello Mr. savagegeese. I really appreciate your intelligent commentary and review of this vehicle and all aspects that go into it. You are amazing, my friend!

[@toddwright662]

As a Model 3 owner of two years, I thought this was overall a really fair assessment of the car; I am going to push back a bit on the screen being portrayed as a safety distraction. The only thing you really need to regularly look at on the screen while you are driving is the speedometer which is in the upper left corner of the screen in big block, easy to read at a glance, numerals. I’m only one data point but where I have the seat set, the angle from looking straight forward to the speedometer is about 22° down and right; on my old WRX it was about 15° straight down but also slightly behind the steering wheel where I like it positioned so I had to move my head slightly. And you don’t need to see things like tachometer, oil pressure, oil temperature, boost, coolant temperature; those things just don’t exist in an EV. Just about everything else that you would want to control and thus “need to look at the screen” can be done with voice commands that are really very good with natural speech and/or the thumb wheels on the steering wheel. Wipers, climate, seat heaters, audio, phone, navigation… all can be controlled with voice function that actually works. “In the 2nd quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.53 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.27 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 1.56 million miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 479,000 miles.”-Tesla Q2 2020 If the screen were a significant distraction, it seems we should see a higher rate of accidents with Teslas than we do. Now I recognize the data is imperfect (all Tesla models combined vs. all other vehicles (of all ages) combined) and there are other factors at play (i.e. less likely to have younger, inexperienced drivers, likely to be in better road-worthy condition…), but without the active safety features there are more than 3 times the number of miles driven in a Tesla than a non-Tesla that supposedly doesn’t have the screen distraction.

[@cdnmetelhead4013]

We?

[@toddwright662]

@@cdnmetelhead4013 Which "we" are you questioning? The ones from Tesla's statement or would you prefer I reword my statement following for greater precision?

[@cdnmetelhead4013]

@@toddwright662 I don't remember seeing the quotations in the second paragraph. My bad.

[@toddwright662]

@@cdnmetelhead4013 Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

[@xllYllx]

This is the most genuine review of a tesla I've watched (and I've watched a few!). A high-quality video as always!!

[@savedfaves]

SG gives some of the most genuine reviews on KZbin. More knowledgeable than most and not a sell-out like most.

[@denverbevins4052]

Bro, great video. It may seem like a small thing, but your ad placement at the natural transition points really help me watch the ads to help you out. Good job.

[@lbtobl83]

@savagegeese: would be great if you reviewed a 2022/23 Tesla Model Y in the future. Many things changed since 2019, not always for the better.

[@kevinbarry71]

If you are a fan of the right to repair movement, you cannot be a fan of this company. They do not share any information with third-party repair facilities. Also, this company has been producing cars for over eight years. Not counting the roadster. It's time to stop making excuses for them

[@odisy64]

3rd party repairs allowed and certified by tesla

[@unignostik]

They do offer 3rd party repair. Speak in your head before your mouth opens, boomer.

[@guyva_unito_sree3]

remember when elon was sharing his designs lol now he's pulled a 180

[@kevinbarry71]

Matteo Cavallin cue the cult members

[@unignostik]

@@kevinbarry71 You have incorrect information, and you're getting called out about it. Instead of acting like a 12 year old and name call when you're wrong, how about using this opportunity to learn and grow? Life must be hard being so stupid, good luck!

[@artistek]

I don't understand how this guy only has 404k subscribers?!... well shot, well spoken from the well researched knowledge. very informative! and right amount of opinion. ;)

[@jooky87]

Elon wasn’t a founder of Tesla, he was an early investor who then took over

[@odisy64]

2 of the 3 original founders believed he deserved the status because without his investment and involvement they would have never made a production car.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

@@odisy64 hes still just a rich kid, who was born into money...thats fine but it does mean he has to prove hes more than a money guy and so far that's not something hes done in a lot of folx opinions. But to each their own opinions, I'm just not impressed by rich yt dudes who just throw money at things.

[@jordanjoestar8839]

@@LafemmebearMusic to say that you have to conveniently ignore how fast he is advancing our space technology. Rockets that can land themselves and hop between landing pads, then be re-used is one of the most important space technologies humans have ever created so far. Something NASA couldn't even accomplish alone. I hate Teslas, but I cannot deny the tech development he has accomplished for use with NASA x SpaceX.

[@odisy64]

@@LafemmebearMusic the money he put into Tesla was earned through businesses he started and worked tirelessly to grow. he put all his money into spacex knowing it would probably fail but he tried because he does not want to ever give up. i remember one year he had to set up so many deals for supply chains he ended up flying more miles in one year than any other CEO in the world. dude has money but he also has a very unhealthy workaholic drive that has pushed him to do things most people wont ever do. plus he nearly died from malaria a while ago so he wants to make his mark on history before he actually dies.

[@HarryKuloh]

@@LafemmebearMusic he doesn't have anything to prove to you