Tesla Model S Plaid vs Porsche 911 GT3 on the Nurburgring!

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

I'd love to do a comparison with a 2022 Taycan Turbo S, which has more power and better tires than the prototype lap in 2019. I suspect the time gap would drop somewhat, but for now it's pure speculation. Discussing it on Taycan forums, it seems likely that Porsche could produce a Plaid-like version of the Taycan, perhaps as a 'Weissach Package' - some more aggressive aero along with a decent bump in power, especially 'overboost' during laps rather than just during launches, and maybe a switch from the Michelin Pilot Super Sport (used in the test) to better rubber? Is there a market for such a car by Porsche, considering you can go out and buy existing models which are much faster on the track?

[@isprak]

By the time Porsche comes out in response to the plaid, tesla already has the plaid + ready for production. Oem players really need to start poaching tesla engineering talent. Even then, may not be enough since space x engineers also contribute. It’s really unfair. Guess the oem high end players need to bring their $$$$ down to compete with a superior product !

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@isprak Umm, Porsche has already been testing the Mission R and Cayman E, which will spank any Tesla on a race track. It's already over, my dude. The Plaid is much, much slower on a race track than most high end ICE cars today. That's why you don't see Plaid owners showing off on the road courses, only on the drag strip. That's the only place it has an advantage. Do you know what the gap is between a Plaid and a 992 GT3 at the 'Ring? Check out my videos and see for yourself. Tesla fans shout that it's not fair.. go figure.

[@ericship8383]

It won lol

[@TigerInTheWoods]

Tesla Model S Plaid is a SEDAN first n foremost and it's been around just in 2021! Comparing supercars have been in ICE for more than 50 yrs. is pathetic likewise it's a practical car to drive daily. The achievement of Tesla EV's for short period of time is AMAZING...Owned MY LR and race w/ my friends 911 Carrera was left Porsche in rear view mirror...MY LR is a crossover remember it. I'll race any 4 door sedan w/ MY LR set the place I'll be there...ur taycan turbo will not par w/ MY P on a quarter mile or even one mile race...

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@TigerInTheWoods So, let me get this right - you don't agree with comparing the Model S Plaid with sports cars, and then you go ahead and write 'Owned MY LR and race w/ my friends 911 Carrera was left Porsche in rear view mirror.' So you're doing it yourself. This is hypocritical. Either you can handle the comparison, or you can't. You can't have it both ways, my friend. If people are going to jabber about the Plaid beating every car on the road, then it is being compared. Full stop. It's very fast in a straight line, that's the whole point. Cheers

[@oliver5403]

Very good video. The GT3 looks like it is on a whole different level!

[@CorvusHyperion]

It is!

[@kalasmournrex1470]

Well, if it were all about horseower, the Turbo S would have the Porsche Nurburing record instead of the gt3.

[@ericship8383]

Have you heard about power to weight ratio? The model s plaid has a better power to weight than a gt3

[@alexandreleite4877]

@@ericship8383 hey, power to weight has strong influence in acceleration, but weight itself is more important for cornering, stability and braking. And power, aerodynamics and rolling resistance defines top speed. It is a balance. And the power curve determining the average power effectively used is really important. Electric cars have a flawless power curve.This is why, generally speaking, Electric cars are faster in a drag race than ice cars with the same peak power. If you take three identical cars, same weight and appropriate gears and the same power curve, the Electric is faster, then the turbo and then the naturally aspired. The key is the power curve, the power in lower rpm for é cars is higher. But normally the dynamics of a lighter car goes better on a racetrack.

[@joshgutierrez7380]

Yea but it’s not lol there are so many factors

[@SMGRacing710]

This is exactly what i was looking for! Couldn't have answered my questions any better lol Thanks!

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

You're welcome thanks for watching!!

[@dwalrus7219]

Wow when hundred of a second mean the difference between winning and losing 30 + seconds is a different universe, great video thanks for the upload, could not imagine what the Porsche gt2rs would do

[@garosama4517]

A GT2 Rs is almost a minute (!) faster than the Plaid on this track.

[@xdpplays8002]

@@garosama4517 how is that almost a minute

[@garosama4517]

@@xdpplays8002 Plaid 7:35 GT2 Rs 6:43 You know math?

[@xdpplays8002]

@@garosama4517 yeah I do, you?

[@garosama4517]

@@xdpplays8002 Doesn't look like you know. Your username screams 14 year old Assetto Corsa player

[@AndieBlack13]

Even 1000+ horsepower cannot hide the fact of five-thousand pounds slithering around...and tire wear is going to be immense, burning down tires way way before their time.

[@AndieBlack13]

@A M Weight is everything...recall the flack Porsche received when they had those little fabric pull-handles in the doors? ...they weighed nothing, a few grams maybe. With a few exceptions, our cars are getting porkier....without a concerted "dieting" effort this trend will get worse.

[@AndieBlack13]

@A M Developers of electric cars really need to rethink how to build their cars all over again...a clean sheet as it were. Perhaps they could take an approach used by motorcycles & F1 cars....use the battery pack as a stressed-member of the chassis, not unlike F1 cars that use the engine as a stressed-member tying the front half to the rear half.

[@ericship8383]

The model s plaid literally has a better power to weight ratio than a gt3 yet it’s 40 plus secs slower around the Nurburgring lol

[@xdpplays8002]

@@AndieBlack13 chill out, Elon is building a fast sedan, not a race car. Take a chill pill. 💊

[@AndieBlack13]

@@xdpplays8002 It is Tesla that is promoting this "faster is better" notion. Tesla is "playing this hand" very well, the very human truism of faster, more powerful. Unfortunately the driving skill-set has not kept pace...so the engineers thru technology fabricate "aids" to compensate for our human failings, ABS, traction control, rev limiters, etc. This notion of "green" Teslas is absurd considering just how much electrical energy is wasted just so Mr. Tesla Plaid can rocket up to 75 MPH on his favorite on-ramp...

[@aclogarta]

I have a Porsche but I wouldn't be able to drive it as fast as the way it's driven in this video. Both drivers in this video have balls of steel. lol

[@MarineHatleyUVA]

I would have been in the fetal position if I was riding shotgun 😂

[@pyramusk3264]

It's so funny how many people are disliking this. The Tesla really has some fans.

[@grandpadre8811]

If you had to do this for 250 miles, the GT3 would be hours ahead. The real range of EVs is from 80% to 20% in the real world, yet no manufacturer will list that on their sticker.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Yep, it's a reality check that drag strip videos don't address at all... I do track my Taycan, it will do 3 20 minute sessions on a charge, which is fine. But the Nurburgring is another story.... I'd take an ICE car on that!

[@Shan2nu]

Can we have Rimac Nevera vs Porsche 911 GT3, please.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Oh yeah.... coming up!

[@BizAutomation]

But what about the Plaid's 2 to 60 and 9.3 in the 1/4 ... I know, it's a joke and not that important (I'm being sarcastic).. great comparison because this is what matters and it's the corners that make a drivers car what it is ... I wouldn't say 1/4 isn't important, but anything 1 second from the Plaid is more than good enough, but it's the corners that matter the most.

[@valantj]

There is old saying, roughly translated: more power gives you faster straight speed, less weight gives you faster everything :)

[@henryburner]

The limousine in the lower screen doesn't corner very well.

[@GinoFoto]

Tesla is fast enough for a family carrier, though even via screen can be felt that nervous behavior of that car, almost as if it screams loud "don't do this to me".

[@xdpplays8002]

Honestly a Hyundai is enough for a family

[@MrZillas]

With 300+ horsepowers.

[@deven6518]

And that's with a good driver

[@carholic-sz3qv]

The tesla fangirls are like cancer i don't even know how they think seriously. Toyota made a yaris hatchback awd with wrc specs super fun car with all the mods possible for even extra fun, one of the fastest cars on the Nürburgring is the honda civic type r 300hp manual gearbox...... not every cars are equal.

[@garosama4517]

So many salty Teslafanboys here 😂 thats just what happens if you meet a 911 at a track in the Muskmobile, you will get destroyed. German powah

[@KaboWaboo]

$150000 +

[@valantj]

@@KaboWaboo it doesnt matter: tesla and tesla fans claim Plaid destroy everything... And bombard us with tons of straigh line accelerating videos... Here is proper test: accelerating, braking cornering... And difference is huge! bigger as gt3 vs normal Porsche, which cost less as Plaid. This shows biggest EV problem on road/track: weight. Weight influence everything: accelerating, braking, cornering. And while constant torque helps with accelerating from zero and overcome weight problem, that cant be done for braking and cornering. And there is a lot braking and cornering on roads or tracks. THAT is reason for better time, not price. And also a lot more experiences in chasis, suspension etc from established brands, like porsche, ferrari etc etc

[@carholic-sz3qv]

The porsche is definition of on rail, porsche is simply 👏 🙀

[@xdpplays8002]

Simply? Simply what?

[@rudyyyxu]

Other 4 door records are done on cup 2s and have carbon ceramic brakes

[@scottw595]

Kinda a pointless argument.

[@scottw595]

Here’s a good comparison video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZe6f4Wvps2FiK8

[@miguellopez3392]

@@scottw595 it's very relevant since having these 2 things greatly improves track preformance over not having them.

[@scottw595]

@@miguellopez3392 so having a track dedicated car is better than not having a track dedicated car? Let’s compare it to Bigfoot next to see which it better at crushing cars!!! Again pointing out the obvious. I wonder which one holds more golfers and clubs? Get better fuel economy?

[@miguellopez3392]

@@scottw595 I'm not arguing against the plaid, what 'm saying is that the plaid can go faster if tesla optioned ceramic brakes and cup 2s as options, only downside is less range and higher cost, which is why tesla doesn't sell these options.

[@CedView]

Isn't that what the S Plaid should be? A (sporty) sedan. It is definitely not made to be a track car, especially not with the standard breaks. Tesla focuses on power and that is what the S Plaid has. You can accerlerate fast af and the handling is good enough for highway speeds or higher since you do/should not drive as aggresiv on a highway as on a track. I think the new Roadster will be the car, that should have a good handling on a track as well. The S Plaid is just a fast sedan that is definitely fun on the streets. Good video, fun to watch

[@thepetrolman4879]

Its not even a sporty sedan, thats an M5 for example, an all around performer. The Plaid is an overpowered Dragsterboat.

[@magnom3922]

@@thepetrolman4879 agreed. The m5 Cs is a monster at every challenge it is put against (idk why they didn't use it as the next gt3 car but it I what it is) And next level sporty sedan cars aren't supposed to nearly be beaten by a *2014* 300hp civic manual hatchback

[@zekeriasvarg530]

the roadster will it have nice breaks and suspension? If so,, it may kill the porsche... you cant compare an over powered elctric car for ordinary use with no breaks with a car with real breaks created for tracks.

[@UKGBManny]

This is why i disagree with Tesla statement of the plaid being fastest production car ever! Porsche were hitting faster lap times in the 2011 GT3 RS.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

It's just more hype from Elon Musk. He says a lot of crazy things..

[@chadmueller9135]

The Panamera Turbo S was faster than the Plaid on the ring as well....

[@izoyt]

they lie about 0-60 from start.

[@UKGBManny]

@@izoyt the 0 to 60 is untouchable its just the rest they cant keep up with handling turning circle, brakes etc etc

[@pangrac1]

4:42 Which are the flaws and areas where Tesla needs more improvement? Elaborate.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Quite a few journalists have discovered that the Plaid's brakes are not up to the task - Mat Watson of CarWow and the Throttle House guys to mention 2 of the most memorable ones.. In terms of sheer motorsport achievements, Tesla hasn't yet shown that it is even going to try to compete seriously, apart from some sporadic promotional events like this one. So in that way they have a huge amount in front of them to establish any serious track threat, and meanwhile Porsche are preparing their Cayman e Performance platform. There is going to be a massive motorsport push in EV's and it remains to be seen whether Tesla is even going to show up to compete. Cheers

[@pangrac1]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics Thanks, so only brakes so far? I’ve expected you will point to more areas where they can improve. As far they keeped their testing car as much as stock family car as possible, they achived very good result. Yes they can rip off all the interior, add racing seat, change brakes, wheels, tires, suspension shocks, tune battery, its cooling, tune track software, add body kit for improving aerodynamic and so on… But they are not interested in it. Yet. And I thing they will not be for long time. They will put all the money and energy on growing, increasing production, creating new models and infractructure first. They will start to play with more sporty models like after 10 years, if ever. My guess.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@pangrac1 Well there's the obvious lack of suspension and chassis development to exploit the 1000hp, so that a 500hp car is faster on a hard track. That's the elephant in the room that Tesla fans avoid.

[@pangrac1]

​@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics Worst thing for EVs at general is huge mass of the battery which is tossing car out of every curve with serious Gs. Lighter ICE cars have bigger advance here.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@pangrac1 Yes, strangely the low centre of gravity of the EV sports car gives several advantages over an ICE - one of the first things I noticed about the Taycan after driving my GT3 was the lack of the motor mass behind you. Even if you get used to it, you immediately feel the difference when it's not there - the power delivery is also superior to ICE (obviously given the acceleration) but what you don't see from drag videos is the weight transfer difference, even the braking stability. Maybe that's why I'm a skeptic of the Plaid, as it just isn't designed as a true EV performance car. This is going to change as manufacturers roll out more product - Porsche is slated to have a Cayman EV by 2025, and I have no doubt that it will be extremely competent on track. But we have to wait until then to find out.

[@TheWutangclan1995]

Teslas are incredible only on a straight line. However the history and battle tested and readiness of porsche beating any car besides Godzilla will trump anything on a track with turns and curves.

[@svtcontour]

You're basically comparing a sporty sedan with five seats and all the creature comforts to a track oriented bare bones vehicle. How did you even come up with this weird comparison ? LOL I think the better comparison would have been the Porsche Panamera no?

[@izsakitt3711]

Yes, it is wild how many ICE enthusiasts approach EVs. - and we are all car guys. We were perfecting cars for a century. EV evolution is in it's infancy. Interestingly, the heavy Nissan GTR outran every Porsche for many years. It is not needed for the street to outfit Plaid with large ceramic disks but it can be an option like it is an option on many Porsches. Torque vectoring implementation on multi motor EVs or hybrids is far superior to what can be achieved with a single engine and differentials. We can have fun with a Beatle or a Golf. Want to be king of the road? Get a top fuel dragster and a formula 1 car. I am happy with the Plaid as my daily driver. I am glad you enjoy your Taycan.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@izsakitt3711 I have an EV, and I track it. There are any number of cars we can compare Plaid to, including the Panamera. But in any case the Panamera holds a faster lap time than the Plaid just did, on OEM tires. Guys have been claiming that Plaid will 'destroy' everything it comes across, this simply demonstrates the limitations of a big, heavy car, even with a lot of power.

[@svtcontour]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics Ya its ok if its beaten - my thinking was just that its not a similar class of car and the Panamera is more similar to the Model S plaid.

[@ronin7645]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics What guys???? Who's they?? And what exactly are they claiming? Source?

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@ronin7645 Goto the videos of Plaid at Laguna Seca, have a look at the comments. Seriously.

[@NoBaconForYou]

What's better at cutting vegetables? A chef knife, or a sledgehammer?

[@NoBaconForYou]

I hope the Roadster feels as connected as it could

[@ericship8383]

And the taycan turbo s just smashed it on the Nurburgring with 450 less hp and weighing 400 lbs heavier

[@xdpplays8002]

Wdym this isn't a Taiwan in the video dummy.

[@markusflamm3843]

Americans can produce chewing gum but no sportscars

[@praero551]

Did they use track mode for the Tesla? Didnt look like that?

[@deven6518]

It's heavy, plain and simple.

[@Filipse99]

Why would the Tesla Motorsport theme forget to turn on track mode

[@jpscharged]

The plaid just doesn't have the suspension or braking/tires to take advantage of the power. Honestly it's garbage around the turns in standard configuration. Dial in a custom torque vectoring configuration and for it's weight you'll be impressed. I haven't see any tesla fans outside of teenage internet trolls saying the plaid is a track weapon. Be careful who you listen to on the internet.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Tesla itself bragging about it on Laguna Seca, and I recall Musk saying it would beat supercars on the track. Hardly just some fanboys making the claims.... If people are going to sneer at Ferrari or Lamborghini then they have to step up and show that they can be competitive outside one single test, right?

[@valerystoichkov7429]

Could have just used a Bmw M3 G80. That was already faster than the slow Plaid on the ring as well...with half the hp.

[@alexandreleite4877]

Well, it seems that the Tesla, the king of drag races and marketing magician can not do any against a competitor with nearly half its power in a racetrack. Difficult for the Tesla fanboys to accept, but as Collin Chapman used to say, weight is the worst enemy of a car. If compared to a GT2RS, the almighty Plaid S is almost 1 minute slower. And even compared to 4 doors sedans such as BMW M5, Porsche Panamera, BMW M4 , the Tesla is slower with twice the power. So, indeed very funny to see the 0-60 of Tesla, but that's it. No chance in a racetrack.

[@garosama4517]

Useless in any performance department except straight lines lol.

[@thepetrolman4879]

Well, media promotes Teslas 24/7 for views.

[@magnom3922]

@@garosama4517 no no its not useless. *"it dies my wife's grocery runs just fine!"*

[@xdpplays8002]

Fucking chill it's just a family sedan. What's wrong with all the commenter. It's not a race car for Christ's sake

[@garosama4517]

@@xdpplays8002 Elon promotes Plaid as some kind of weird race car

[@deven6518]

34 seconds at full speed. Do you know how big of a gap that is?

[@htb8395]

Porsche hitting those corners like a butter with high speed while tesla is .......🤦‍♂️*SIGH*

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Yup... I've gotten so much flak for pointing out that the Plaid isn't as fast as fanboys think.... reality hurts sometimes. Fast ICE cars aren't going to just disappear overnight, and for a track day, an EV is not ideal at the moment...

[@Shan2nu]

That GT3 is crazy fast. Will be interesting to see how the Nevera fares against it. I read some news of one being tested at the ring. Hopefully they will do a record run.

[@Mabeylater293]

Why dosen’t the gt3 use the tt3.8? Wouldn’t that make it even quicker!

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

For competition it’s arguably better not to use turbos as there’s a Balance of Power applied in racing series. The idea is to equalize the power to weight ratios. Since it’s lighter, the whole car can also be lighter.

[@Mabeylater293]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics but surely the weight of Two turbos is quite small in hindering performance especially compared to the added acceleration it provides. Right? Thx.

[@Nord_Mann]

@@Mabeylater293 no. Go look at GT3 vs Turbo S. GT3 destroys Turbos S on track as it’s 200kg lighter

[@Mabeylater293]

@@Nord_Mann but adding two turbos doesn’t add 200kg, (400lbs) not even close. I still don’t understand how adding two turbos to the gt3 wouldn’t make it any faster. It just doesn’t make any sense.

[@Nord_Mann]

@@Mabeylater293 but it ruins scalpel like drivability. GT2 is what your asking for, and the GT2 is a sledgehammer compared to a GT3. GT3 is much easier to drive on the limit in curves. Not everything is about power and speed.

[@19KiloM1A1]

reading all the tesla fan boys crying is awesome. Tesla owners are always saying they are faster then this or that. The GT3 RS is a street legal car. Stop light to stop doesn't mean crap. I can build my R33 and clean its clock on the street and track. The Tesla is all hype.

[@shannonsmith4986]

My guess is some of the time difference is due to the skillset of the driver. Gas off braking of the Telsa vs ICE engine would definitely take time to get use to. Maybe you can have Elon send his most skilled Model S track driver, who has a few years experience with a Model S, and re-run the race. My guess is the Porsche driver has been on the track a few thousand miles more in an ICE car.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Possibly that might make some difference. However, I did recently see some footage of a Plaid on an American track with some Cayman GT4s and they walked it under braking and cornering. It was far faster on the straights though. Interesting times!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Bullshit, the drivers have actually been driving and testing those vehicles before the final test run, thats how sport cars are developed.

[@garosama4517]

The Plaid was driven by a VERY skilled driver. But it obviously doesn't come close to a 911.

[@johnathanshakewellesquirei8615]

Heavy copium

[@RukaGoldheart]

The guys who set times around the ring for factory vehicles have tens of thousands of laps around the Nord. And you want to send some factory tester from Tesla who has probably never driven the Nord ? Do you want worse lap times?

[@audiovideoandtech2463]

Very True....Even though the Tesla Model S Plaid is stupid fast on the drag strip, that is not Motor Sports. Tesla has no history in Motor Sports like Porsche has. The Plaids Achilles heel is its high weight, it's not a road/track car unlike a Porsche GT3/RS which has 1/2 the hp. The Porsche would lap the boring Tesla Model S Plaid in about 12 laps.

[@thepetrolman4879]

Yeah, 911s are proper allaround performers. Plaid can't do shit except the straight lind

[@John-cz3gt]

Are you mad or smth? All tesla fans as you said they saying that Tesla plaid is faster than all of the cars in straight line . So what is having to do with the Tesla on the track ?😂

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

I guess you are selective in what you hear and read... probably encouraged by some publicity videos showing the Plaid doing crazy fast laps at Laguna Seca on Battery Day back in 2020 (yup, more than 2 years ago!), MANY commenters were claiming the Plaid would wipe the floor of any supercar. And why would anyone be so stupid as to buy anything but a Plaid - especially an expensive Italian exotic etc.. You must have missed all of that... The fact is the Plaid isn't even as quick on the 'ring as a few production sedans - not many, but it's still not the fastest production car in the world, which is what people claim.... If you have a problem with claims being tested, I can't help you there.

[@mateokovac2642]

So many salty Teslasoyboys, its sad. Btw the Panamera is faster than the Plaid on the Ring too....and is able to brake.

[@fishmate5443]

Nordschleiffe = Porsche, we know this, but that Tesla looked horrible to drive on a track and surprisingly slow in the finishing corners. Looked like he was wrestling an octopus :)

[@ClericChris]

A Porsche, BMW, and Tesla owner walked into a bar. I hurried and left before the douche juice got too deep.

[@airheart1]

Shocker.. physics is a thing!

[@felipeferreira00]

Fun fact: Electric cars are amazing for acceleration but acceleration only. Braking, cornering, and top speed are just bad.

[@Mail4dalej]

A Tesla isn't a Porsche. I'd be changing my diaper after driving that Tesla on that track.

[@thepetrolman4879]

The Plaid is just useless on tracks lol. Overpowered, unstable boat.

[@kanewannell4890]

Not one point was that Tesla fully locked, this meaning it wasn’t struggling to handle that badly 🤔

[@gainlabs]

Tesla: Hold on kids"

[@familyschnekser4819]

Can anyone please cite Tesla’s proclamation that the Model S Plaid makes all ICE cars obsolete?

[@jimbenington2144]

Model 3 performance would be more comparable

[@MarineHatleyUVA]

I have a Model S, but would take a Porsche GT3 over it, obviously. Been scouring the market. You just can’t get an allocation. Tesla is a good daily driver though and has “practical “ performance when accelerating on / off interstates or just getting out a pinch. But the 911s 😮

[@BushcraftBoy]

Was it a fair test? Normally I'd say no. Lightwight sports car vs big heavy family saloon.... not a fair comparison. Except, Tesla and Elon Musk claimed the Model S Plaid was the "fastest production car ever made". They didn't qualify it by saying "in a straight line" or only on a drag strip once you've preheated the battery. Musk even gave several interviews where he said the Model S was going to be faster round a track than a supercar. If you're going to make a claim like that, you open yourself up to people testing it, so Tesla can't complain about videos like this. The Model S is an astounding vehicle. In a straight line, it's like driving a missile. It's colossal size and weight means that it'll always be at a disadvantage on a track racing against smaller, lighter cars that can out break and out corner it. If the claims about the Roadster prove to be correct, it'll take a lot more than a GT3 to stand a chance against it.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Lol.... Tesla model s plaid is nowhere near the fastest car in the world, other vehicles have been doing over 200mph for decades, the porsche cayenne gts is heavier than that tesla and they were actually very close with time on track.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

The mercedes amg gt 4doors from 2018 is still faster than that 2021 tesla on the Nürburgring for your records.

[@BushcraftBoy]

I didn't say the Tesla was the fastest. Tesla did though. So, it's only fair that their claim is tested.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@BushcraftBoy Yup, that's why I made the video. It's only unfair when they don't win, you see. :)

[@erickminor]

The Tesla Plaid is not the fastest(top speed) in the world, but it is the fastest from 0-60 and in the quarter mile, but I guess that doesn't count.

[@scottw595]

Dumb video! The plaid is not a track car. So compare it to a track car? Track package is coming. Why don’t you compare it to the 4 door Porsche? It does however claim the quickest production car title, and probably mad you’re tucan value go down.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

In case you hadn’t noticed, Plaid is constantly being put up against performance cars. This is just a different aspect of the competition. Besides, I’ve literally seen Tesla fans claiming the Plaid would crush a McLaren 720S on any track. No lie. 🤷🏻

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

I’m trying to illustrate why fast acceleration doesn’t equal fast lap times, and to show that the Plaid doesn’t, as so may claim, make all super cars useless and obsolete. But yes, there are 4 door sedans which are also faster than the Plaid on the Nurburgring. The Porsche Panamera Turbo is one of them. I will make videos of those too!

[@alexz8373]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics Panamera used semi-slicks... If you known about cars, you should know that GT2RS is 30 seconds slower with Pilot Sport. Try to imagine the Plaid with semi-slicks ;)

[@kylereese4822]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics The Plaid is speed restricted to 155mph due to tyres not being available for 200mph and 2.5 tonne car..

[@ericship8383]

@@alexz8373 it isn’t 30 secs slower you dumb kid where did you hear that from? It doesn’t deny the fact that a 300 hp Honda Civic is only 8 secs slower around the Nurburgring than a Tesla plaid with 1000 hp 🤣

[@ddavideo]

Physics rule. 700kgs weight difference...regardless how much power that the Tesla has...destined to lose.

[@bastordd]

Masterpiece Porsche 500 hp destroying Tesla 1000hp 🤣

[@bastordd]

@A M

[@CiderHerrljunga]

@A M well the 911 turbo s makes the same 0-60 with 200-300 HP less and 600 nm less.

[@indiebekonn]

@A M it’s not even the fastest saloon on the Nurburgring. And not even close to the overall records.

[@garosama4517]

@A M Real world ain't traffic light racing either lmfao thats the only thing the Plaid is good at

[@garosama4517]

@A M Because thats literally the only thing the Teslasoyboys talk about....once its about track times, they search for excuses like the little girls they are.

[@spelare2]

+1100hp on the wheels

[@safakhan3088]

Craziest thing is, a gutted Plaid with massive Aero on slicks was slower at Pikes Peak than a stock 911 Turbo S on street tires. Tesla just can't compare.

[@MrVolodus]

Well, Tesla is family car. It would be embarrassing for 911 if it could compare :D Also price is bit different.

[@timber741]

Comparison of 2200 kg vs 1400 kg is not interesting . The Tesla is never ment to be a racecar ..

[@ericship8383]

Elon advertised it as a track sedan so

[@garosama4517]

@@ericship8383 according to the Teslasoyboys it 'accidentically' has 1000whp lmfao

[@ON-EightySix]

@May Dixon-Yuras here the video and it ain't even close haha

[@dingdong7440]

The Porsche sounds way better for sure!.

[@TheElectricMan]

Tesla Model S Plaid is way better

[@ericship8383]

No it isn’t lmao

[@xfreedomx9479]

Lmao wtf

[@ericship8383]

Gt3 rs is gonna gap the model s plaid go cry

[@garosama4517]

But slow lol

[@thepetrolman4879]

Said no one ever.

[@ChosenMJ]

So what you're saying is you're no better than these Tesla fanboys. Instead of comparing EV sedan to EV sedan, you've chosen to take the low road? That's ok but it just shows you're no better than them. You had an opportunity to present what's right but chose the opposite. Looks like the fanboys control you and can get a rise out of you whenever they feel like it. 🤦🤦🤦

[@ronin7645]

This comment is exactly right.

[@ericship8383]

Hah you deleted your comments because you couldn’t handle the facts

[@ronin7645]

@@ericship8383 Get a life troll. Tesla isn't going anywhere. Let that burn.

[@David-er1cy]

Gt3 shit on that plaid on the track

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

I don't have a 12 mile road course I can use anywhere around me......but there's a drag strip in nearly every county in the USA. Tesla rules the street and strip. 911 owners won't even look at me at stoplights anymore.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

That's what she said LOL......

[@johnp999]

We have thousands of miles of beautiful winding twisting mountain roads here in Southern California, that I rip through in my BMW as often as I can. I never see any Teslas on them because they would run out of juice climbing 8000 feet up a mountain… LOL! Just google Angeles Crest Highway, for example.

[@garosama4517]

Lol drag strip 😂 true low testosterone racing

[@thepetrolman4879]

Teslafanboys always talk about stoplight racing because thats literally the only thing they try to get some attention lmfao

[@ericship8383]

A gt2 rs would demolish a plaid in a straight line a gt2 rs does 228 mph while a plaid only does 200 mph you’re not gonna use that acceleration on a public street endangering people with your ego oh and btw street racing is illegal 🤣

[@wallacerust3453]

I agree with you on the vague claim. However I own both cars. Be it an older 2016 GT3 and a 22 Plaid. Totally different weapons. Kind of like Bruce Lee vs. Rocky. Tesla will never eclipse the history Porsche has on track. It's Porsche's DNA. Yet Porsche still hard pressed to find that blinding speed in a line and he utility too boot. I totally give this one to the GT3 actually my fav in the stable. The new Turbo S might even be better, However the Taycan is not quite there yet on a long circuit. Lets come back and compare when the Roadster arrives. Musk is indeed a car guy, and to win will just hire some P car folks to dial in the Roadster. One commented the Pano was a better comparison, I agree. As for ICE cars, the writting is one the wall, as sad as I am to say that. Hyundai, killed the ICE development dept. Dodge killed the Hellcats. Ford will be next with the Vette the last to go of the domestics. Porsche will figure out how to make a 911 EV spank all commers is my estimation. They just don't need to quit yet. The Tesla battery developments on the horizon will shed hundreds of pounds off the EVs in time. Porsche would be wise to use that tech as its open source tech. Palgurism is not a bad thing.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

This is a great conversation, thanks. Porsche is gonna stick with an ICE 911 for the time being and is doing the Cayman and a 918-style car as EVs. The 918 thing will use the Mission R platform most likely but it'll be expensive. I'm guessing it'll come in close to 7 figures, and it'll be stupid quick all round. The Cayman/Boxster is supposed to come in at around 3650lbs, RWD to start. The batteries will be made by Porsche in their new factory and will feature silicon Anodes. This is from Porsche's top brass, I think less than a month ago. The 911 still has such a loyal following as an ICE car, I suppose they'll end up making a hybrid probably to give it the bragging rights in the 1/4 mile?? Who knows.. I mean people are still yapping about manual transmissions being the bees knees and all..

[@TOMMYBOY6969]

Well said. I couldnt agree more !

[@levondarratt787]

But Tesla isn’t ahead in batteries. Toyota is. And no plaid will challenge a super car, as they get faster, and faster….top speed and acceleration wise,, simply impossible for a plaid…410km/h is the new 300. Tesla always does 1/4 mile, which is too short. It’s an outdated, American measure, that nobody in Europe uses. My grandma can jog that distance fairly fast. Anyways, Teslas are the new Prius, every unemployed howdlum has a model 3, and every Middle Ager angry businessman has a plaid for a little over 100k thinking he’s rich. Th3 handling of these cars is the problem. With Hybrids and EVs from all manufacturers dominating the market, South African Elon, with China made cars, isn’t even considered American if you ask people, even though technically it is.

[@flash7413]

Someone seems to be salty 😁

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

I dunno, but Tesla fans seem to be hypersensitive about any criticism or evaluation of their favourite products which doesn't agree with them. Oh well, that's life eh?

[@flash7413]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics tbh they have a good reason to be pissed. There are so many videos who are dedicated and so obviously biased against tesla it's not even funny anymore. There are even tons of articles from mainstream media who straight up lie about anything involved with electric cars and therfore instantly bashing on tesla. The double standard is another big problem which really can't be ignored, just one example.. Car fires. 2 years ago a tesla cough on fire and instantly the whole media went nuts about it, while there are thousands of car fires a day with ice cars .Not long after that a porsche taycan burned down in a garage.. Somehow nobody cared about that too and tesla fans know exactly why. Now you know why tesla fans are very sensible about that matter. And honestly I don't know why you are trying to downplay the achievements tesla made, but you should be thankful because the only reason the porsche taycan exists.. is because of tesla.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@flash7413 I agree, I have a Taycan, and have held deposits on two Teslas already (decided not to purchase eventually - see my videos on that subject). I like Tesla plenty, I like EVs too. I tell people regularly that it was because of the Model S that the Taycan exists - plus Porsche of course. Personally I don't want a family sports sedan with 1000hp or that speed - it's unusable on public roads - my Taycan is already ridiculously fast and has more power than I need. As a parent, I wouldn't be able to let a teenager or young adult drive the Plaid if I had one - far too dangerous. I think people are wrong when they assume most of us will be driving EVs with 9 second 1/4 mile times in a few years. Not gonna happen IMO. Lower prices, better range, and lighter are the real goals we need to reach for the masses, and the enthusiasts!

[@flash7413]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics yes I agree about the real goals which is ofc hitting the mass market with an overall good and affordable ev, but that's not the point of the plaid any other ev or even ice car with crazy stats. This cars are made to stand out, to be recognized and representing a brand, for tesla its even their advertisement because they still don't pay for any ads. I mean being able to say that they produce the world quickest production car is a very good ad imo. When the first real performance tesla came out back in the day, it was the p85d if remember correctly, it showed the public what evs are capable of when the only other evs were boring nissan leafs or Renault Zoe, which ofc are OK daily drivers but their lack of performance and range really didn't help them to stand out. Now that tesla is know by pretty much everyone they finally can go step by step to produce more affordable cars, which they startet with the model 3/y and soon model 2. Ofc everyone has his own preference, I mean I for example don't need a truck at all and even more so a truck with over 600 hp , yet they still exist and being tuned even more to be raced in1/4 miles which obviously doesn't make any sense. There is no other car out there who gives you 1000 hp for 130 k right out of the factory which also can be easily used as a daily driver, it's a bargain really.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@flash7413 Yeah, I understand the marketing reasons for doing Plaid. I think most Model S buyers will stick with the other models though, bc most buyers aren't buying the cars for the drag strip. In my Taycan groups, there are a lot of folks who've switched from Model S to Taycan, and some who have just now shopped between them and chosen the Taycan. The main reasons given are: build quality, driving experience, dealer experience, styling. Most of us agree that the current cars are already more than fast enough for street cars. I think KZbin videos are driving the perception that 1000hp EVs are really that desirable, but I don't think most luxury performance sedan buyers are that interested. That's my read on it anyway.

[@NoBaconForYou]

The model s is a 5 door hatch, not a 4 door sedan, as trivial of a difference that is.

[@1geoff99]

Wow. You very salty the Plaid destroys your Taycan lap time?

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Hehe you salty that GT3 destroys Plaid lap time?

[@ericship8383]

Yea the plaid has 400 more hp and 500 pounds lighter 🤣 a 992 gt3 destroys a model s plaid around track

[@thepetrolman4879]

Imagine how salty the Plaidsoyboys are when they find out an equal weight fat Benz sedan was faster on the ring as well 😂

[@adamminers2416]

What a ridiculous comparison, talk about apples and oranges. Model S is a family sedan, the bias with this guy is obvious from the start. ICE cars are on the way out, that's why VW, BMW,AUDI aren't even developing them anymore

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Umm, no not really. If you think it's ridiculous, then you haven't seen the Plaid fans who claim that the car is faster than any ICE car even on a track. Yes, they say that. It may be due to the Laguna Seca laps that Randy Post did, where he drove a modified Plaid on slicks... So some perspective is in order. Even today, you see people making statements like 'why would you buy a Mclaren when Plaid is so much faster?'. This video answers those questions... Now you know.

[@adamminers2416]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics I agree that there are some teslerati nuts trying to force the s plaid as a track car, which it is most definitely not. My point is that these videos a perpetuating that error. The s plaid and x plaid are family cars, try doing the shopping in a maclaren. I'm not a tesla fan boy, just see that EV is an inevitable fact considering the short time in development in comparison to the good old ICE car

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@adamminers2416 Come on now... almost every KZbin out there is pushing the Plaid as a supercar beater. You have to be willfully blind not to see that narrative. Most of these internet pups have no concept of what a sports car really is, since they don't drive supercars and don't do track days. For millions of them, it's just 0-60 and 1/4 mile and you're done. This video simply demonstrates the shortcomings of a powerful and heavy car in real terms. No hype, no exaggeration, just fair game.

[@nolinga6756]

How is family car? Almost 100k and 1000hp electric motor

[@dataknado]

tesla is like a tank abraams on curves while porshe is like a cheater that triumphs through a cornerns. I bet driver of tesla while curving feels eternity passing through them, and it looks challenging a very challenging for driver of tesla plaid model on nurburgring

[@h.k.e]

Electric car heavy weight

[@tedavenge]

Interesting video, but doesn't make much sense, comparing two completely different cars.

[@TigerInTheWoods]

FYI: Tesla M S Plaid is a SEDAN first n foremost! Comparing it to supecars is stupid, dumb n idiot. Plaid has been around just last year 2021 n ICE cars been evolving for more than 50 years...this video didn't even considered or mentioned factors involved. Let's compare Tesla M3 n MY LR / P to all 4 door sedans combined...watch videos in KZbin to get acquainted if you haven't watched yet...I owned Tesla M3 n MY LR...its fun and compelling to drive than my MB ML350 n C300 Turbo...

[@chadmueller9135]

No surprise y'all Teslasimps think Teslas are fun to drive when your former car was an old V6 SUV lmfso

[@robinsonreichel1268]

Apples and oranges? Man, get it together. Just look at the aero of the Porsche. Practicality for everyday driving: Close to 0. Plaid: Family sedan with 100 points a sedan can reach in usability. And surely the fastest in the sedan competition besides the Lucid. You are just, how should I put it, a man with too much money? Because Tesla is destroying the ICE competition in efficiency and sustainability. Just inhale your exhaust fumes happily. 👍

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Again some folks miss the point - they think that Plaid makes all sports cars obsolete and slow. Clearly that's not true, not even slightly, when it comes to the purpose of sports cars to entertain and to rip around tracks. It's partly the fault of KZbin since it favours quick drag races, and not the more complex track dynamics. It makes it appear as though Plaid is the fastest thing on the road, which it isn't. That's the point. Plaid has its place, but it's not the king of the road and never can be.

[@robinsonreichel1268]

Well, it might not be the King of the Race track, it obviously can‘t be because of all the well known reasons like weight, aero, tires, brakes. But King of the road it definitely is. No ICE Car is comparable to the might from a standstill or a roll of a Plaid. Without launch prep aso. Usable in the blink of an eye. Plus it’s ridiculous silence. You can use its power anytime anywhere, even in urban environments. Try that with any ICE of comparable power and you will most likely go to jail or at least annoy people. With a Plaid you can just go for it with almost nobody noticing. And waaaayyyyyyyy more efficiently. That are the points. Those noisy, stinking fart cannons, the 'fun' they may be, the outdated and reckless they are concerning our future and the future of the planet. 😉

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@robinsonreichel1268 A lot of folks do track days, myself included. I track my EV as well, which very few out there can probably say. I also completely understand and support the market for high performance ICE sports cars. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. Nobody is going to buy a Plaid as a sports car to take to the track. It's not a good choice. So it cannot replace those products.

[@robinsonreichel1268]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics I hear you but I can't feel you anymore. Why not just stop using these fossil burners just for 'fun'? Ever heard of COP28, the global meet to try to save the planet? Which is desperatly seeking a way for us all to survive the avalache industriallisation and the use of fossil fuels has imposed. We need to decarbonize the glory days of burning earth without regret should definetly be over. Don't you have children?

[@teslapower18]

Plaid…not bad as a familiy car agains a ”sports car” 😂😂😂

[@mattsherohman8885]

I have a plaid it’s great for daily. Shreds a set of 4s’s per year. But yeah it’s a 4 door lux with a computer better than most desktops and can drive a clever dog 300 miles by itself. Yes I would rather hammer away at a v12 or a gt2 if I’m going fast and intend to use the steering wheel. I guess my point is both are great cars in their own right. And this is a stupid comparison. “This apple isn’t an orange”. Ok got it. I’ll take the current Red Bull over both cars. There I win the stupid argument. Seems like people don’t like ev for nostalgic reasons. I get that too.

[@dataknado]

offended, butthurt!??

[@chadmueller9135]

'Nostalgic reasons' EV fanboys talking like the last ICE was built 40 years ago.

[@mr2dsp]

Just wait for more software update for EV lol

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

The car needs a lot more to be much faster on a track. Carmine Auto was showing one recently and it is very fast on the straights, but much slower than many sports cars in braking and cornering. I would like to test one at the track myself to see what it's like.

[@mr2dsp]

@@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics i picked up my plaid Yesterday so I plan to track it one day. The brakes are not gonna Hold for a back to back laps I know its a 4700 lbs beast I am looking forward to see more and more aftermarket Big Brakes. I have a dedicated Race car for Hillclimb and You definitely need to brake. Lol

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

@@mr2dsp Enjoy it! I have a Taycan which I've tracked a few times, brakes are good of course. It's a DD but for a track car I'd want something smaller and lighter - hopefully something will come on the market in the next couple of years or so.

[@vipeev]

Tesla crap box...an expensive computer screen with wheels.....

[@MrZillas]

Let's face it: You buy a Porsche and you get a masterpiece, a collectable, a family-member, something that rises in worth and can be hold as stocks. Your son and your grandson will love it. If you need money, you sell it. And then you have that Tesla-junk. Cheap af, battery dead, recharging, bad steering-wheel and nobody will or wants to keep it 30 years or longer. And nobody would consider it ever be a classic.

[@JohnBreezy22]

You're comparing a company that has built cars for over 100 years to a company building cars for only about 14 years. I'm sure the first Porsches had plenty of quality problems.

[@jasonpoole6284]

You should be banned............

[@NICKCAMP04]

From what?

[@thepetrolman4879]

@@NICKCAMP04 he is triggered because Plaid is just a boat

[@waywest8138]

GT3 eats curbs all day every day