Tesla Supercharger 75D, 85D, 90D, 100D 0-99%

[@stalliontheplumber7406]

Thanks a lot for this video! 🙏 I have a model S P100D, but got a loaner now that is 75D. It takes a lot longer time to charge the 75D per kWh. Your video confirms my experience. Greetings from Norway

[@SSMARKK]

Interesting video. However, it would be interesting to see not the actual power vs. time but the percent charged for each battery pack vs. time. Tesla designed different packs (hardware & software) to have the most balanced load on each battery. Therefore, the same percent of charge may have exactly the same time. I have done this analysis and found that to get to 20% charged it takes: 13.1 min (S 75D), 10.7 min (S 85D), 13.1 min (S 90D), 11.9 (S 100D). 40% charged: 23.0 min (S 75D), 21.2 min (S 85D), 23.3 min (S 90D), 22.9 (S 100D). 60% charged: 34.5 min (S 75D), 36.3 min (S 85D), 35.5 min (S 90D), 37.5 (S 100D). 80% charged: 53.4 min (S 75D), 59.4 min (S 85D), 56.0 min (S 90D), 57.2 (S 100D). 90% charged: 71.0 min (S 75D), 79.5 min (S 85D), 75.2 min (S 90D), 75.2 (S 100D). As you can see, now, the charging time is very close for different battery packs.

[@elektroautoimalltag862]

I can't drive with percent, I have to drive with kWh. So it is not important to charge 20%, but it is very important to charge 20kWh for 100km.

[@dominoc5]

Thanks to Bjørn Nyland

[@thomask6846]

He did nothing for this video. I took only the music from one of his videos.

[@andregahleitner]

That was the Video I was looking for all the time. This is very well done and starts perfectly with 0%, which is not at all easy to achieve for 4 cars! Would be glad for the info about wether the air temperature around the cars was similar and if they have been driven fast prior to charging (=hot battery).

[@Richard-ie1if]

why on earth does the 85 have a different charging curve pushing the battery far harder early on than a steady decline over time? just weird

[@techforeveryone6048]

I have a model s 2018 75d and it peaks at 120kw at superchargers 32000km now

[@iliedobrovolschi8097]

Supercharger gives you different power,depending if you share the stall, so you won`t get the maximum output possible from a charger. The Power is shared between two cars, and one with less battery will get more than the other, it`s a smart share, not a 50/50. So this charging doesn`t say a lot about the supercharging. Still a cool video to watch

[@akzebraminer]

Ilie Dobrovolschi but that usually makes a massive difference and no massive difference on the video I see so I think it's fine

[@elektroautoimalltag862]

There was no other car at the Supercharger while I made the videos.

[@stalliontheplumber7406]

Come on, it's easy to see that this is not the case. My P100D charges like on the video. The 75D as well. The 75D charges definitely slower. His video gives a correct picture of the reality. There will always be variations regarding temperature and state of the battery.

[@CustomDesignzShop]

Great idea!! 👍

[@poseyperspective3591]

This was super helpful!

[@constructioneerful]

Really useful video. Thanks!

[@legs4pnt]

The 75D pack was cold. Too cold to accept nominal power at the beginning of the charge.

[@ecologicalist]

Don't think so, I see the exact same pattern on my Model S 75 with warm battery pack.

[@elektroautoimalltag862]

75D has the same charging curve like 90D and 100D at the beginning of the charging session. All Tesla batteries with silicone anode charges slow if you start with 0%. If you want to charge fast, you have to come with 10% to the Supercharger.

[@zezizarjaars]

Very interesting vid! Thanks a lot!

[@BrenttheGreat]

I have a 2012 model s and it 100% does not charge that fast. Is it my older battery?

[@kellilovski]

I bought the 75d,and super regret now,I should chose the 100d definitely,I drive a 260km trip very often and 75ds range really bothers me:(

[@Richard-ie1if]

do you though? it was the right decision, well the 2016.5 60D was the best as it was the 75 anyway....but it was 15,000$ for 25kwh 600$/kwh and it was power capped at 120kw until now somehow after 3 freaking years tesla uncorked the chargers not to mention the car took a 10k+ price hit

[@vincenzoleoni5792]

Thanks

[@dontrustwhiteyevery1]

I wish you had the 60D up there. This car burns through battery life quick!

[@Legominder]

It's the 75D Battery, just limited to the 0-80 % range of the charging ;) So no disadvantages over the 75D.

[@DidlDadl]

Waren die Batterien halbwegs gleich temperiert gewesen bzw. ist bei gleichen Aussentemperaturen an den SC geladen worden ?

[@elektroautoimalltag862]

Ja, soweit es ging halbwegs gleich temperiert bei vergleichbaren Außentemperaturen. Dass die Ladeleistung bei allen vier nach wenigen Minuten aufs Maximum hochging, zeigt auch, dass die Zellen im fürs Supercharging geeigneten Temperaturbereich lagen. Kein Auto war heiß gefahren worden, so dass die Ladeleistung nicht durch Kühlung oder zu hohe Zelltemperatur begrenzt wurde.

[@DidlDadl]

Ah sehr gut! Ich von unserem MS 75 bestätigen, daß er Anfangs auch erstmal ewig lang braucht, z.b. im Vergleich zum MS 85, bis er in die Puschen kommt.

[@mustafasolmaz5946]

Warum ballert denn der 85er dann direkt mit so viel leistung los?

[@unnatural2101]

Are there connected on the same phase ? Are there other Teslas on superchargers? Seems that 85D got more power sent in, in the beginning.

[@elektroautoimalltag862]

The charging sessions occured at different days, everytime there was no other Tesla at the Supercharger. More amps at the beginning is normal für the 85D. The newer cells with silicon anode seems to have problems with high amps.

[@djeffhawk7987]

Interesting now we are sure that bigger is the battery, faster is charging but : It would be better to compare with km and typical range. The typicals ranges for a model x and model s are not the same. The typicals ranges for a model s 75d, 85d and 100d are not the same. What is important is how many km you can do with all models x or s with 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 minutes charging. That only my opinion.

[@ReinhardSchuster]

Interessanter ist eher der bereich 10-80% über 80% bekommt man weniger dazu als wenn man weiter fährt und am nächsten Supercharger ladet.

[@elektroautoimalltag862]

Der Bereich von 10-80% ist mit meinem Video zum Glück mit abgedeckt...

[@TypeR891]

Fast foreward 4 years. This video is about 2 minutes shorter

[@isnogood-]

i have a 2017 S 90D and i got 120 kw when i plugged inn to a SC after driving from 100% down to 50%. The s90D in the video got 96kw, been reduced because of # of supercharging uses?

[@troy7774]

Hi. This looks very interesting. I have some questions: 1. Where did you find all the different Teslas to record this video? I'm trying to understand if this is a community effort. Is there a forum for this community? 2. I wonder how the Typical range numbers compare. For example, do you know what the Typical range of each car was at 30, 45 and 60 minutes into charging? 3. Do you have any Wh/km numbers for each car? I'm trying to understand which car adds more range at the same time. 4. Do you have a Google Sheet that has data about this test? I want to create some graphs to compare Model 3 supercharge speeds to the Model S and then post them on Teslamotorsclub forum. Tesla says the Model 3 can add 170 EPA rated miles in 30 minutes. It looks like the Model 3 80 supercharges quicker than all Model S cars in terms of range added per time. 5. Do you have a table that shows the Typical range numbers of each Model S and Model X version when the car was new? Tesla doesn't publish the Typical range numbers. They only publish the EPA rated range and NEDC rated range but not the Typical range. I have found the following Typical range numbers but I don't know the Model S 100D Typical range. Model S 75D: 240 mi, 387 km Model S 85D: 264 mi, 425 km Model S 90D: 287 mi, 462 km Thanks

[@bcj3638]

1. I think they are rented or borrowed from Tesla. 2. They are different because of different battery sizes. 3. You see the Charging speed or range per time in kmh. If the car charges for an example at 500 Kilometers per hour, it says 500 Kmh. 4. I am sure Teslanomics will make a video about that. 5. There is no "Typical Range", because each driver has a different driving style. So Tesla cant put out Typical Range numbers. It totally depends on the Driver. Some get with the Model S 100D 550 Kilometers, some get only 300 or less because they are driving fast. So There you have it!

[@elektroautoimalltag862]

1. The 100D gave Tesla for this Video, the other 3 cars are my own or from car rental. It's not a community video. 2. No, I do not track typical range. 3. Wh/km depends on your speed, isn't it? In summer my P85D needs 185Wh/km, in Winter 10% more. In 85.000km my average is 205Wh - that's the reason why I pointed out 20kWh steps. 4. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qrxiDouwiUcMgdmQnHLpnQYHHgmR0in5rXXTHmRRrYg/edit?usp=sharing 5. No, I do not have these data.

[@troy7774]

Hi BCJ_Gamer. 5. Let me show you an example. In this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/moKUdZxjgtKsY7s at 0:27 you can see the settings "Rated" and "Typical". Rated means, display the range in NEDC rated range. Typical means, display the range in Typical range. Almost every Tesla driver in Europe uses Typical instead of Rated. Here kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5fbkpamatx8kNE you see 378 km at 100% charge. This is Typical range, not NEDC rated range. This is a Model S P85. When the car was new, it had 400 km Typical range at 100% charge. A new Model S 85D will show 425 km at 100% charge. I want to know how much range a new Model S 100D has. Tesla does not publish this number. This number does not change according to the driver. In Nissan Leaf cars, the range numbers are dynamic. In Tesla cars the range numbers are fixed. If you have 425 km range at 100% charge, you will have 425 km when you charge to 100% a week later whether you drive slow or fast. Your driving does not affect the range displayed when you charge to 100%. However, if you don't know Model S 100D's Typical range when new at 100% charge, that's OK. I will find it elsewhere. It's a shame Tesla doesn't publish Typical Range numbers even though they publish EPA and NEDC rated range.

[@troy7774]

Thanks Elektroauto im Alltag.

[@andregahleitner]

Well, typical range is slightly different for the same model and even changes for the same car over time. For my car (Model S 90D) it is between 453 and 449 km during the first 6 months. As far as I overlook it the reportes typical range for a Model S 90D is anywhere between 430 and 462 km (latter info is from you). So you can easy calculate the typical range if you read the percentage at a given time and multiply by 4,5 km (assuming a Model S 90 D with 450 km typical range). You should als be able to double check by reading the "averaged km/h" in the video.

[@TeunSegers]

This seems oddly slow. In my experience it usually goes faster than this.

[@friedemanngadeke8366]

Das Model 3 schafft ungefähr 780 km/h wenn man von

[@elektroautoimalltag862]

Vergiss die Anzeige in km/h und schau dir die kW an. Die km/h-Anzeige ist der Durchschnitt ab Ladebeginn. Wie du im Video siehst, lädt der 100D (wie alle Tesla Batterien mit Siliziumanode) zu Anfang sehr langsam, der 85er startet sofort mit voller Leistung.

[@legs4pnt]

Do not plot percentage vs time. This is useless because you car does not use %, it uses killowatt-hour. You should plot kWh vs time instead.

[@therealest1one]

That’s some bs I’m in Texas and where I charge in Arlington the highest it goes is 380kmh 72kwh 35kw

[@Richard-ie1if]

why in gods name is the 85D charging faster than the 90D to 50%, which is about all you ever charge to for traveling.... newer, more expensive, and somehow slower now in 2019 they're "validating older models" whatever that means they already have years of data on 60/70/75/90/100 100 surely have the same cooling loops as literally every other battery size right? performance has better cooling but cant charge faster it seems less cells obviously but wouldnt the cooling system be identical and able to cool the battery better as more cooling per cell? idk at worst it should be the same if the 85 could take 116kw then we know darn well the software locked 60/75 can take 116 limited by cooling system and power cabling right? it would just be 75/85 for 102kw? but instead its 96 even now when the 100D is getting boosted to 150 for older models and 200kw for newer which then raises the bar higher again if the 100D can take 150kw and has the same cabling to the battery surely and cooling system then surely the 75 can take 75% of that and the 85 85% (adjusted for actual kwh sizes) 128kw for the 85 113kw for the 75D were talking literally minutes here, but if its as simple as changing a software variable why not? either the warranty claims on 85 got too high, and the chargers more dense so they rolled it back or now they're confident that 2018 at least 100D can take 150kw so 75D should take 113 and they're upping the power again but only on the 100 for now otherwise why say they're looking into validating older cars. just weird.

[@robotec0007]

because 50% in a 85 is less than 50% in a 90...

[@hdigermul]

Why don't you show the range? How many % the batteries are charged is not very interesting... It`s time vs range that matters! ;)

[@ea8390]

Veery very sloooww charging.. Petrol wins again.. full tank 80L 2mins😎

[@henrikmikaelkristensen4784]

Plug in at home every night. Full charge every morning. 15 seconds.

[@kens97sto171]

@@henrikmikaelkristensen4784 15 sec * 7 days = 105 sec. Or 1.75 min. Basically 2-3 min over the week. Or I can spend 3-5 min. Once per week or maybe every two weeks filling my tank on the way to or from home. Works out about the same... Time wise. Only thing that really matters to most people is cost to operate.. EV should be cheaper. But when you factor cost to purchase.. it becomes less clear.. At least for now.

[@ehb002]

The flip side being- you never have to stop (commuters, obviously long trips you do) at an inopportune time to refuel (late to work, nasty outside, exhausted), never have to deal with price jumps, never have to deal with the station being closed (or the credit card reader being offline), always have most of a "tank" in case there is an unplanned errand, never standing in line to refuel, never having to find out that they are out of the octane level of fuel you need (or just in general), no left hand turns to get into/out of the fueling station... At least where I've lived (multiple states), the least expensive gas (even the same brand) is 5-10 miles out of my way and the most expensive ($0.40/g in the USA) is right on my way. This makes it cost effective to drive those extra miles (or run errands on the weekend that put you closer to the cheap gas), but now I'm blowing 20+ minutes instead of 5.

[@0743pm]

ich tanke in 5min voll

[@bcj3638]

Ach du schon wieder. Tesla-hater ohne auch nur ein Argument.

[@thomasj295]

0743pm Ein Elektrofahrzeug lädt über Nacht auf. Da muss man nicht daneben stehen und Zeit verschwenden. Außer bei Reisen natürlich. Dafür darf man dann entspannt Pause machen.

[@chrisobber5604]

Das heißt, du hast eine Tankstelle zu Hause? Bei mir dauert tanken nämlich fast 50min: 22min Fahrt zur Tankstelle, 5min Tanken, 22min Heimfahrt... da ist die Zoe meiner Frau am 22er in der Garage längst voll...

[@rospincasocl3741]

Ergänzung: Man muss dafür auf die Tankstelle. Man muss 5min giftige Dämpfe einatmen. Man muss warten. Man muss viel dafür bezahlen. Man muss sogar einen extra Bezahlvorgang dafür tätigen. Und das alles für Lärm, Gestank, Zugkraftunterbrechung und Teiletauschkosten? Na von mir aus^^

[@emarc37]

Chris Obber meine Güte ... ich bin Elektrofahrer, trotzdem weiß ich, dass tanken schnell und einfach überall geht, und dass niemand extra 2 x 22 min zum Tanken fährt. Wenn du dir die Vor- und Nachteile der Technologien nicht eingestehen kannst, ist das Religion oder wenigstens Ideologie. Damit möchte ich nichts zu tun haben.