Is an OLD Tesla Model S Worth It?

[@dylangonzalez8812]

I own a 2013 Model S P85+ with 181k miles. I still get 232 miles of range on a full charge, 208 at 90%. Still original battery. I will continue to see how it does. Doing good so far.

[@cadreamdrives]

That’s great to to hear! I couldn’t be happier with mine either.

[@evolv.e]

Ditto. We absolutely love our 2014 P85+ ⚡️❤️ it’s been the most trouble-free car my wife & I have ever owned. We did the infotainment upgrade (highly recommended) and the front bumper refresh from T Sportline (also recommended), so now the car looks as new as it performs. Having unlimited supercharging is a bonus to owning an older Tesla and the performance motor makes it still feel quick as heck. Aside from tires, a front pair of brake pads, two wiper blades , a passenger door handle, and some windshield wiper fluid, this car has needed virtually no maintenance, other than the usual vacuum and a wash.

[@huiunit]

I’m considering a 190k miles p85+ with a new battery but same drive train. What are your thoughts on it? Also for p85+ how long do tires last 😅

[@kauigirl808]

Wow thanks for this!!

[@evolv.e]

@@huiunit ask most tenured Tesla service technicians and they’ll tell you the P85 and it’s “+” variant are commonly referred to as “tire shredders”. That said, expect to go through a set of rear tires far more often than dual motor AWD models do, (especially on 21’s) and more so with aggressive driving.. and even more quickly if you have the “+” variant with the wider rear staggered set as they can’t be rotated. And as a result, this is the car’s biggest expense. I’m lucky if I get 6000 miles on a pair. Still worth it though if you ask me 😎 Thankfully, the fronts last at least twice as long as the rears. I’ve got a little over 148k miles on it as of this comment and plan on keeping it till the door falls off. Love this car.

[@Armory508]

Before I bought my Tesla my worst fear was battery degradation but after having owned and driven it every day for three years I am happy to say that there's no significant degradation so far.

[@anthonymyers4022]

I have a 2013 Model S 85 187,000 miles and still have 87% original battery capacity. Rear brakes also original. No issues with long trips.

[@cadreamdrives]

That’s awesome to hear! I hope my car stays on the same path. I’m at 130k miles now, and Tessie says 88.1% battery health. Still on original brakes as well.

[@ajax7ox729]

My 2005 tacoma has 550k

[@drrightwing4435]

Well a “long trip” isn’t just a hundred miles or so. Every car ever made can do that

[@r-saint]

@@ajax7ox729 1985-2005 toyotas can last centuries.

[@fenwickc2274]

@@ajax7ox729 here is you're trophy

[@staceys1208]

Superchargers are often paired: One charger powers 2 plugs. If the paired plug is already connected, you'll get a lower charge rate until the other car's charge rate starts to taper off as it fills. For best performance, use a plug where its pair is not in use. Supercharger plugs are numbered usually 1A, 1B, etc, so you can see how they're paired. Some of the latest Superchargers are not paired, delivering full power to a single plug, but with an older Model S, you typically won't see higher than 150 kw of peak charging anyway. (We've owned a 2013 Model S P85 for 8 years and 90% of our driving is long distance.)

[@thatevchick]

Thanks for the share thatts aweosme

[@cadreamdrives]

That is an excellent point! It's very possible that was what was going on. I've charged at the same chargers many times in the past, and have never had an issue, but the day I made the video, the juice was definitely not flowing like it normally is. But then again, as you point out, the older cars can't really take advantage of the peak performance from some of the newer chargers, so I do have charge envy, when I watch newer cars charge :)

[@ErikMeike]

You were always below the 75kw you would get if this were the case. The lowest power you should ever get at a supercharger is 72kw unless if something is very wrong. I would guess that the plug was super hot causing the system to thermal throttle or else it would be too hot for you to touch to take out when you are done. One other note is that you supercharged to 100% there really is no reason to do that. Just charge enough to get to your destination since the last part to 100% takes forever as you noticed.

[@tomooo2637]

V2 are shared, V3 and V4 are not. Your comment does not apply to newer chargers

[@staceys1208]

@@tomooo2637 I said exactly this in my comment: "Some of the latest Superchargers are not paired..."

[@claudiahansen4938]

Yes, it is worth it. Our 2014 Model S85 just had its ninth annual service today, consisting of wiper blades, fob batteries and tire inflation. Spent about $3,000 on maintenance since new. Robust and wonderful vehicle that we took on a 5,350 mile break in run a month after we got it. San Diego to Banff and Lake Louise, Canada. It started at 265 miles of range, now 256. We charge low and slow in our garage, 15 amps, 240V.

[@kendrickmelendez8185]

Why would anyone get rid of a Tesla if only being the 1st owner? 😅

[@claudiahansen4938]

@@kendrickmelendez8185 a lot of people don't keep cars very long, and are always wanting the latest tech. We have always kept our cars 20-30 years, to see what they're made of, and will they go the distance.

[@cadreamdrives]

I think a lot of people overlook just how cheap these cars are to run. That’s a huge selling point in my mind. Congratulations on having an awesome car and being an early adopter!

[@claudiahansen4938]

@@cadreamdrives you bet!

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

240/15 Amp is an excellent charge.

[@AKA001]

Your Model S looks amazing. I have a 2015 original shape and the look doesn’t tire on me. I still get looks and compliments from people.

[@SMOKEY_HATES_TAXES]

it is a sleek car ngl

[@cadreamdrives]

I totally agree. They nailed the design on the Model S. It's holding up remarkably well and still looks very current!

[@Adrian-op5ni]

It’s a timeless design.

[@tafl-9198]

Its such a nice car. I turn my head every time I see a Model S - new or old

[@Mr.Atlanta850]

​@tafl-9198 Tesla nailed it with the Model S, starting in 2012. The Car is Bad ass. All of them S's. Old and New. Fast as Hell.

[@jezthomas4402]

What a breath of fresh air to watch a calmly delivered, useful, real-world scenario of what an old EV can do and how it's a great thing to own and live with. Thank you so much. Buying an old S is something I've often wondered about as they appear to be absolute bargains, they are far more handsome than the other Teslas, and I see them as a modern classic. Also, unlike all other cars, all Teslas are continually updated with new features, plus some of the old ones come with free charging for life. What's not to like?! Some things I would have loved you to cover are the costs for servicing of an old Tesla, including what the car you used had experienced in its service history, some evidence from many old Model S's that have covered lots of miles, the potential for depreciation or indeed appreciation, and anything else we need to consider with an old S. The slow charger problem you experienced shows viewers, incorrectly I expect?, that charging is problematic. If, in yours and others experience, charging is normally quick and seamless then it would have been advantageous to have this clarity. The particular car you used here was one of the most attractive Teslas I've seen; what colour grey was that, and are those wheels a normal option - it looked fantastic?! Thanks again and I'd really love to see you make more videos about what it's like to live with an old S, or indeed any other secondhand EVs, and how that could be perfect for many people's use cases. Keep up the good work man!

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you so much for watching and for all of your feedback and suggestions! I'll look into making more videos about those. My car is Dolphin Gray and the wheels are aftermarket. Tesla only sells up 21 inch wheels, and mine are 22s. They came with the car, when I purchased it. I believe the previous owner put them on. I'm sorry if the video made it seem like charging issues are common. They are definitely not. Generally, it's a very smooth experience. I've owned the car for about 3 years and 30k miles now, and the only maintenance has been a new 12v battery (which I put in myself) and a door handle, that no longer presented itself. That was fixed for I think around $150 by putting an upgraded part in there. No oil changes, no brake changes (so far), no annual maintenance.

[@Andersljungberg]

Remember that the computer is unfortunately probably not as fast in a Tesla S from 2015 as in a Newer Tesla 3 for the same price. But you may be able to find one with an upgraded computer. I believe these upgrades existed in 2017

[@rambo4war]

I would definitely get a 2017 or newer AWD model S over a new 3 or model Y. The prices are great.

[@LWRC]

Stop the stupidity bro...there is no free lunch when it domes to energy conversion!!! You are destroying the planet by your clown battery car!!

[@natnavbrand8060]

I own a 2014 Tesla model S owned since 2021 & have yet to change my breaks, I’ve only needed to book a mobile appointment with Tesla to have a door handle fixed due to locking even when the handle was open, & gratefully that was covered in warranty, I can honestly say I haven’t spent a dollar on any maintenance on my P85D Model S 🙇🏽‍♂️🙌🏼

[@timothydog76]

I've driven a couple older Model S vehicles and I own a 2018 Model 3 and one of the most notable differences between them is charging speed at superchargers. Tesla has made huge improvements to increase charging speed since the Model 3 came out. My Model 3 will sometimes hit 250-300kW during charging making charging go super quick. I just recently drove a 2017 Model S P100D as a loaner and all of my supercharging sessions were below 100kW (probably 50-60kW average).

[@tedalen529]

how long would it take on an older S to supercharge?

[@jackgreenstalk777]

Depends on how much you need. 10 to 15 minutes for 50 miles, 30 minutes for 100, 45 for 150 and an hour to full 200+ in 2014 model s 60​@@tedalen529 with a better route planner app you can select for shortest stops to make them all 10 minutes or less. I GO fastest route option and usually its done charging befofe my wife and I get food or stop for bathroom and a drink. Often we get back with more charge then needed.

[@jonmr1]

​@@jackgreenstalk777 it also depends at what level your battery is when you start charging. If I pull in with about 20% or below in my 2014 MS I can add roughly a hundred miles in 20 minutes. That's the sweet spot however. Nowhere else does the car seem to charge that quickly. But it does seem that several of the older MS cars have had charging nerfed to protect the battery.

[@Marsh318]

I love to see my "old" Model S is still looking and running great! Cool video, brought back some great memories!

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you! I love this car!

[@Polemic-2525]

@@cadreamdrivesBe safe 👍🏿

[@boeingav8tr525]

Sort of a non-event. I have a 7 year old Tesla with 129k miles. Routinely drive 360 mile round trips once a week. Have seen essentially no degradation between 70k miles and 129k miles on clock. As for charging speeds. As a 2013, you have a Gen 1 pack, known for slowest charging. Additionally, the charging station you selected appears to be a 'urban' charger, which has a max charge rate of 75kwh if I remember correctly. On a 2015 S90D, using the latest supercharger, I routinely see 110-115kwh up to about 45% soc, and then then normal taper down of the charging curve. I agree, the last '10 minutes' it takes longer time wise what the dash says to charge. However, I think a better test for your video would've been a Gen 3 Supercharger. As for pre-conditioning. On a cold day, I would say the car is doing that. Since you just completed a highway drive, at almost 100F, I doubt any preconditioning was used by the car. As the a/c cools the battery in hot weather, it was probably at the optimum temperature for charging when you got to the supercharger All in all a good video to show that EVs are not 'throw aways' and that batteries can still be useful 10 years after the purchase.

[@fernandofernandez2677]

Took my 2015 s 90d on a road trip from Florida to new York in January, and it worked great. And on my wife's 2014 base 60 we upgraded the computer ($2500) and it feels like a much newer car.

[@Ulbre]

This is an excellent video for anyone considering buying an older Tesla. And the commentors who also own an older Tesla back that up.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you very much! I'm always happy when people find my videos useful, and I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment!

[@drrightwing4435]

Yeah because tesla owners are NEVER known to exaggerate or stretch the truth EVER, right? Lol

[@Ulbre]

@@drrightwing4435 actually, without even trying hard at all you can find a whole heap of Tesla owners who aren't happy with their purchase and returned to ICE. What you will find though is a whole heap of folk who have never owned an EV but reckon they know it all......and do they exaggerate what they only assume without actually knowing for real???? You betcha they do....that's how they roll!!!!!

[@dzerres]

Your S looks pristine - very nice for a 10 year old car. I think the style of the car certainly is still on point: it looks fast just sitting still. Tesla proves you don't need to completely change up the style every two years if you do it right the first time. Our 2019 Model 3 (I added some extra bling) and brilliant white seats still looks fantastic.

[@Visionery1]

10 years is not old! 🙂 Our Honda Civic is 16 and my MB is 31, both still perform flawlessly.

[@hbgriss]

They only keep them the same for profit reasons.

[@g.pearson4726]

I agree. I hate when dealerships keep changing the styling of cars. I feel like luxury main staple cars should keep the same look and the other lineup cars should change Kinda like a Chanel classic flap bag It’s the same bag since conception

[@Mr.Atlanta850]

That's exactly why the Model S holds its value. To me, they are the Best 👀ing Tesla's on the road, old and new.

[@dzerres]

@@hbgriss Oooooh, you are so insightful. Maybe some of the other manufacturers will come to realize that it is not profitable to change the look every two years before they go bankrupt.

[@glenf4115]

A windmill is used to mill grains into flour, drive machines, or move water. A wind turbine converts wind energy into electricity by turning a turbine.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you! I appreciate the clarification. I know that most people (including me) use the term Windmill for all of them, but it's always good to have the correct terms!

[@evolv.e]

8:53 I’ve only charged to 100% once in our P85+, just to see what the car’s estimated max range would show after 145k miles. 238 miles out of the original 265.. only 10% less than when factory fresh. The last 3% took a while. From 97 to 98%, it took 5:51 min, from 98-99, it took 8:34 min, and from 99-100, it took a whopping 21:38 min! I saw the 100% drop to 99% after just a little over a mile driving on the freeway, and then I was able to travel 4.1 miles from 99-98%, so it tracked as expected as far as Wh/mi goes. But aside from this, the mist I’ve ever charged it before then was 96%, and that was road tripping through the wilderness on our way up to Canada. We ended up arriving at the next station with ample charge, but we were giving ourselves the peace of mind as we were traveling through sparsely populated areas for that leg. Tesla has since added Superchargers in between those points, so charging that much for that journey again wouldn’t be necessary. In any case, the vast majority of our charges are done up to 60-80%, and we usually don’t recharge until in the 20’s or 30’s. Makes for shorter stops and more than enough to top off at home. Exceptions would be when road tripping across the desert 🏜️ we’ll charge up to 80-90% on some of those desolate legs just to have more than needed. Never know when you might encounter strong head winds, need to take a detour, unexpectedly take the scenic route, etc.

[@tiloalo]

How log does it typically take to charge it? I'm hesitating between the model 3 or model S, but a bit scared about the older model S slow charging rate.

[@evolv.e]

@@tiloalo the 3 & Y charge much faster than the S & X. On average, our charging stops last about 30-45 minutes. We often see 3’s & Y’s pull in after us and leave before us, usually only stopping for 15-25 minutes. I’ve rented 3’s and was quickly spoiled with how quickly it recharged at Superchargers.. also the 3 retained more energy, requiring fewer and shorter charge sessions due to its greater efficiency. In all, if free charging is important and you don’t mind the longer stops, a grandfathered older S is a great value. If however, you value shorter Supercharging stops, and plan on charging at home more often, then 3’s & Y’s offer a great experience.

[@tiloalo]

@evolv.e thanks for the great info. Pulling toward the 3, as we have several long trip per year that would require several stop. Just regarding comfort, would you say that the model 3 is also comfortable and quiet? (I have a c class and a3 as reference, the c class being top while the a3 is average)

[@evolv.e]

@@tiloalo comfortable, yes. Quiet, yes. I actually prefer the seats in the 3 compared to my S. It’s not that the seats in the S are bad, but I like the support and the way the 3 seats feel by comparison. Worth noting that the S seats have undergone several changes throughout the years, while the 3 seats have remained largely unchanged (as I think Tesla got those right from the start imo). The only version of seating I’ve not yet tried are the Plaid seats that just came out. The newest 3 is nice and even quieter than its predecessor. I also like the design updates. Personally, I think the new Performance 3 is a fantastic value all around. If had a new P3, I’d be equally happy I think. Tesla has even offered to transfer my unlimited free supercharging to any new 3, S, X, or Y a few months ago. It was incredibly temping to not take them up on the offer, but my wife prefers the S, so we decided to keep the S. We have 4 pure electric vehicles and she considers the S her car, so ultimately it’s up to her. Drive them back to back if you haven’t already and you should quickly be able to decide which one you prefer. I should mention that the newest S & X have undergone many improvements and one of them is faster charging, so the latest models are closer in Supercharging speed to the 3’s & Y’s, but still not quite as fast and of course, not as light or efficient, so the S & X still go through more energy over the same distance travelled, requiring them to be outfitted with larger batteries, adding weight. Thankfully, most of that weight quickly disappears given the vast amounts of torque, but on a twisty road, the 3 feels more nimble and flickable giving the driver even more confidence at higher speeds. Given the vehicles you mentioned, I think you might find that aspect to be more favorable with regards to driving dynamics and handling. The S is no slouch and by far the quickest full size sedan I’ve even driven, and the 3 is essentially a smaller version of course, and if sales numbers tell any tale, is incredibly popular with the buying public. Even non-performance models are still incredibly quick compared to most other gas cars, so if you don’t need the absolute quickest version, you should find that those still offer a lot of fun, while maintaining the comfort and quietness you asked about. Happy shopping!

[@tiloalo]

@evolv.e thanks for the extensive answer, comforting to know that the model 3 also offers great comfort. Since it would be more recent and charge faster I guess it's the way to go. And probably the long-range dual motor, as it's not that far off the performance version.

[@visualtouchpos-global3214]

Just a quick bit of advice, if you change your old mcu to mcu2 it makes a world of difference. The best tesla upgrade for older models.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you. I’ve been thinking about doing that, but it seems I always can find better ways to spend the $1.5k-$2k needed for the upgrade. I’m (mostly) happy with the old MCU.

[@alanl3511]

Best thing I did was to upgrade to MCU2.. like night and day…

[@zguy95135]

For all the future viewers, never use the guess-o-meter, set it to percentage and go off the trip calculation.

[@dmandman9]

That’s not too different than with a gasoline engine vehicle. The distance to empty is just a guess and is not very accurate at times

[@slartybartfarst9737]

Ive run a Model S P85 from new since 2015 now 127,000 uk miles later its still stunning. Peal white no sunroof, cream leather and Alicantera. I get the same range so 245 miles at 100%. Here in UK there are Superchargers everywhere now (back in 2015 there were about 4 stations). The old classic S still looks current, ride brilliant and is free Supercharging for life. Common concusses is the rear wheel drive cars steer the best and I would agree. 0-60 in 4,0 seconds means they are still quick.

[@cadreamdrives]

I couldn’t agree more! The proliferation of Super Chargers has been incredible here as well and the cars are truly amazing!

[@manny211982]

Out of interest and no am not being sarcastic why do you mention that the miles are UK?

[@andrewdiamond2697]

My Model S P85 is 10 years old as of this month (January 2013 build). It's worth it because it's been paid off for years. Maintenance averages about $300 a year, plus tires every 3 years or so at this point. It's great for minimizing cash flow out on vehicle costs.

[@cadreamdrives]

I think the (lack of) maintenance costs often is overlooked. That’s one of my favorite things about the car. I pretty much never have to take it anywhere for anything.

[@andrewdiamond2697]

@@cadreamdrives Did I mention that fuel last year was also essentially zero? (Free supercharging, free hotel/resort destination charging. solar at my home, also free)

[@brunoheggli2888]

Solar charging at home isnt free!You get your solarsystem on your roof for free!

[@andrewdiamond2697]

@@brunoheggli2888 I've had the solar for 9 years. As of last year it has generated enough electricity to have covered my cost. The sky isn't falling bro', no need for the exclamation points.

[@brunoheggli2888]

@@andrewdiamond2697 You also have to compare your money invested in your solarsystem with other investment you could do at the same time,and dont forget that solarroofs ageing to!

[@EdHarlowSax]

I love my 2013 Model S which I bought 15 months ago with 116,000 miles. I’ve put 37k miles on it since then. I’ve had the brakes done and some suspension work, as well. The MCU and drive unit was replaced before I bought it. The new drive unit failed a couple of months after I purchased the car, so it was replaced for free as it was still under warranty. The car is super comfortable, and I agree with some of the other commenters that the model S is still the best looking car Tesla has produced. It is also tremendously awesome to have free super charging and all the extra space in the frunk that’s available without the front drive unit/biodefense hardware taking space between your front wheels. I had another great electric car before this one, a Chevrolet Bolt, but the battery issues drove me to sell it back to GM. The best thing about Teslas is the charging network. It was a complete hassle doing road trips with the Bolt. Just not enough reliable public charging infrastructure in place yet. You can’t beat the convenience and reliability of the Tesla supercharging network.

[@cadreamdrives]

100% accurate! The Charging Network is a game changer, and I can fit more in the S than in most of my other cars. All while flying down the road in luxury and with low running costs. What's not to like? 😀

[@erikkpritchard]

I'm about to buy a 2013 Model S 85 with almost 110k miles. Were you/are you afraid of battery failure with yours? Any advice for things to watch out for?

[@cadreamdrives]

@@erikkpritchard I think anytime you buy a 10 year old car, you’re rolling the dice to a certain extent. I don’t worry about battery failure on a daily basis, but it is certainly a concern to factor in. These days, there are non-Tesla options that are significantly cheaper (but still not cheap) in the event of battery failure. There a places that will attempt to repair your battery (or, in some cases, just “block” bad cells so you can charge again, but with less overall range), and there are places that will do a complete battery swap (with a warranty). The cost involved with a battery or drive unit failure are substantial, but the trade off is an amazing $100k car with next to no other maintenance costs and very few additional wear items. I’m super happy with my car - but I might be less happy if I’ll need to swap the battery or put in a new drive unit some day…

[@fbabyfbaby4658]

How many miles and how is it running now

[@Ameylynn]

I bought a used 2018 Model S with only 24,500 miles on it. I am totally in love with it. Red with cream inside. Simply stunning. Can't wait to take it on road trips!

[@cadreamdrives]

Congratulations! I love the red and cream combo. Good luck with the car. I hope you have some epic roadtrips with it!

[@Ameylynn]

@@cadreamdrives thank you kindly!!

[@jackgreenstalk777]

Great road trippers! Get a better route planner, although tesla navigation works, it will make fewer / longer charging stops, can feel more annoying. A better route planner you do the fastest trip possible, which is usually more stops but for shorter times (10 to 20 minutes usually vs 30-45 with tesla navigation naturally) makes road trips a blast. Wife and I have done san diego to humboldt, sd to tucson and many more shorter trips within that range, it does great. Be aware or crossing large mountains at lowish % but otherwise enjoy! Final tip, if you can arrive between 5%-10% state of charge you'll charge way faster when almost empty then at 20-50% etc. Higher the state of charge slower the charging will be.

[@cadreamdrives]

@@jackgreenstalk777 This is excellent advice - thank you for posting! The S is my favorite car to road trip as well. People talk about range and having to fill up, but for me, this makes the trip a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. The stops don't have to be long - but it's great to stretch your legs, freshen up your brain and focus, and maybe see an area you wouldn't otherwise have seen.

[@Trevor-Watlington]

How do you only have 1k subscribers... Production quality is so good

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you so much! I’m wondering about that myself 😀

[@RayApollo]

I have a 2013 Model S, and it's still running like a champ! I only use it for running around town and it's perfect for that

[@fbabyfbaby4658]

What about long trips

[@RayApollo]

@@fbabyfbaby4658 I have a newer Model Y for that.

[@Winglessflight97]

I love road trips in my 2013 P85. My only issues have been related to my car being lowered on 22 inch wheels. Absolutely love it

[@cadreamdrives]

Do you have any rubbing issues with the lowered suspension? Mine is lowered too, and I never used to have any issues, but lately, I'm hearing tire rub at the slightest bump in the road.

[@Winglessflight97]

@@cadreamdrives I have almost zero rubbing with 295/25z22 tires and 10.5 inch wide wheels in the rear with the N2itive adjustable toe and camber arms. I wouldn't go wider and you just have to have the right offset on your wheels. It only rubs if i bottom out. I have very slight rubbing on the front at mid turn. It's so minimal that I didn't notice until after a year of driving and it only happens on driveway entry. 235/30z22s on 8.5 inch wheels

[@jonesfredrick94]

Is it hard to find rlectric units too charge it

[@NjoyLife_01]

Excellent video on the real life sustainability of these EV cars. I too, have older version (2016 MS refresh/ Nov build), same color: Midnight Metallic Grey, 21 inch Grey Turbine wheels-wrapped in Continental silent tires. Car is paid for. Garaged 24/7 since 2016. Even purchased a full PPF back in 2016, that is still looking sexy wet like yours! Folks confuse my car with 2022/2023!!!! I did do the delete chrome DIY myself. Since 2016, the only things replaced on it consistently, was the four tires every-36 mths. Free supercharging still, free premium wifi. And, still gets off the line faster than 90% of 2023 sport cars today! I purchased the FSD at $2000 or $5000 back in 2016; I can’t remember which, but I use the FSD every week with no issues. I did purchase the MCU2 upgrade $1500. Also, next week Tesla is upgrading my cameras for FREE because I’m an original FSD owner of 2016. Overall, my MS drives smooth, no maintenance issues, and degradation is about 10% since 2016. I’ve currently have 103,000 miles on her. Yes, I have an MY Long range as well. CyberTruck is also reserved. I will NEVER take any other car on a road trip other than Tesla. The technology mix with security, sentry, and situational awareness of driving all around me is second to none! It’s the best car for road trips! And, Yes, I still get software updates periodically! How cool is that! So happy with this product as a consumer! Neighbors and strangers ask me all the time about running out of juice or relevant concerns. I tell them, for starters, purchasing a Model S, is usually reserved for homeowners who have level 2 charging in their garages. Model X/Y as well. The other model 3-I’ve experienced is usually for the younger crowd. LOVED YOUR VIDEO! So much money I’ve saved over the long run with this car! Some Consumers have no idea how fun, safety, and practical the Tesla brand is. BTW… Did we tell the consumers about how safe this car is comparatively to other brands!?

[@Sommers234]

That guy who ran is finally off a Canyon Road Show just how safe they are

[@cadreamdrives]

Those images were pretty incredible. I can't believe they all survived!

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you for your kind words! You are spot on with the value of these cars. I have to admit, I didn't really get it either, until I purchased mine. I charged from a regular 110v outlet for the first year or so, and while that was doable, installing the Level 2 charger was a game changer. My car has lots of blemishes and it's quirky in many ways. The first time the screens went black on me while driving was a little scary! But now I'm used to the quirks and I love the simplicity of the car. Everything is just simple - the driving experience, the (lack of) maintenance, the app, the tech - it all just works in a simple and serene way!

[@jkoonce4244]

Reserved for home owners 😂😂paid off 😂😂 should have paid cash and get free supercharging

[@dougowt]

I have an 8 year old 85D 260,000 miles. It is an excellent long trip, very comfortable, very relaxing. Last October/November I travelled down to southern Italy from Devon, UK for 6 weeks. Covered a total of 5,500 miles.It was a breeze, charging in France and Switzerland on the way back. At one point the car told me I could get from Lyon to Turin on 85% charge, going through the Alps. I had my doubts but got to the superchargers in Turin with 13%. Gave a yob in a white Ferrari a hiding (twice) while I was down in Italy too.

[@DillonCleans]

This was an excellent review of an older Tesla. I own a 2020 model 3 with 70k miles on it and it’s still going fantastic! My car was in the shop and my loaner car was a 2017 model s and it was nice but I prefer my model 3 over the s. But if it was a newer Model s I probably would have liked it more. The supercharger network is fanatstic down here in Texas and I have 2 superchargers within 3 miles from me so I’m very fortunate. I plan on driving this car until I get a new one most likely a little later this year. But I have my fill trust in Tesla now. They really are fantastic vehicles

[@cadreamdrives]

Teslas are magnificent vehicles in many ways (and crappy ones in other ways, but that's a different story...). The Supercharger network is such a huge asset. As long as you live and drive where SCs are available, range is a non-issue. Model 3s are a little "tighter" and Model S a little more "boaty". I enjoy the bigger size at this stage of my life, but there was a time where I would definitely have gone for the 3 as well!

[@chavale2]

Superchargers one day they will not be there due to others intentionally damage them to gain advantage (they have no Security features to protect them). Subotaging is the name of the game BROTHER; Please tell me your thought thQ

[@DillonCleans]

@@chavale2 well. Considering that’s highly unlikely that will happen to all superchargers, I don’t think it matter. Also those superchargers are pretty durable. There’s a supercharger near me that was hit by a car and it laying on the ground. People still pick up the cable and use it.

[@chavale2]

@@DillonCleans I would not charge at a lonely place @ SUPERCHARGERS; I'd rather buy Gas/Diesel @ Gas Stations and then use the Toilet to relax my little brother /little oyster as well dual purposes :); You could be killed using Chargers as no one there to help you in case some crazies lurking at night while you are charging for 30 mins (a pretty long lonely period without Security cameras??) . A lonely death/murder at SUPERCHARGERS ...Police is investigating the motives hahahhh Dude.... BJ ( good to join the POLICE Force as there will be more Investigators Police Jobs ; I will ask my younger brothers to apply in GA)

[@DillonCleans]

@@chavale2 bro what are you on 😭😭

[@NickLibert]

Great job! I love my high mileage old school Model S and you've inspired me to share a bit more about my year with the car so far!

[@paulmuresan1252]

There you have it, a 10 year old electric car is old. Some diesel cars are 50+ years old and 1million miles and still going.

[@NervousNoMore]

its different, its not diesel, stay on topic. youre not influencing anyone.

[@maxflight777]

I’m thrilled with my MY … I hope it’s as good as your S when it’s completed 110k miles. Super video, well presented and not verbose !

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you very much! I appreciate the kind words!

[@GalenlevyPhoto]

You might want to spill the truth. 10 year old Teslas aren’t worth it because of replacing battery in a few years after owning plus buying it used for like $25k. They’re not cheap used. That’s just my opinion.

[@cadreamdrives]

I think the fear of a failed battery misses the point. Yes, you may experience battery failure. It's not likely, but it's possible. However, there are quite a few different options for to fix that today. There are plenty of ICE cars out there, that will experience catastrophic engine failure at some point as well. (I had a Jaguar engine fail on me after 70k miles - that was VERY expensive) But with the Tesla, your general running and maintenance costs are incredibly low, compared with most ICE cars. For me, that more than makes up for the potential cost of a battery issue. There are also 3rd party warranties that will cover the main battery these days, if that is a preferred option.

[@GalenlevyPhoto]

@@cadreamdrives interesting. I never knew there are 3rd party warranties that do that. You have a point about engine failures .

[@peteroffpist1621]

Our family has three of those still great cars 2013 , 2014 and 2015 year model S cars no problems. Over 300.000 km (186.000 miles)on each. Charging at SuC is slow compared to when they were new but you get used to it.

[@hemipowersrt6773]

For a 10-year-old vehicle, That Teals S still looks very new.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you! It would like to say that I take great care of it, but I don’t. It’s my everyday driver, it lives outside, and it rarely gets washed. But somehow, it still looks cool!

[@brormonberg8945]

Good vid as always from Ca Dream Drives. Well crafted and fun, and as a benefit shows the variation of So Cal landscape from the beach to 118F Palm Springs. Henrik clearly discusses the current perceived limitations of electric cars. How much is perception, how much reality. This 10 y/o Tesla gets very high marks and is 'proof of concept' for ev's. For us deciding on our next car, this information is significant, especially from an experienced 'driver's driver.' Looking forward to the next vid in the series. (I'm a subscriber.)

[@carlitopicache629]

This was well done. Convinced me to go ahead and check out a pristine 2015 S tomorrow. Thanks!

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you very much! I hope it works out for you! Be sure to come back and tell us about it, if you get the car!

[@fearfuel]

Same

[@jamesspurlock3123]

Did you get it?

[@joediaz2589]

How funny! I just ordered a hard-to-find 2015 with free supercharging and movable pano roof all the way from Illinois and will have it shipped to me in Texas early next week! OUR VERY FIRST FULLY ELECTRIC CAR and we're sooo exited! Only 86K miles for $15,995 and the dealer applied a $4000 EV tax credit as my down payment so I got it for a SONG at only 11,995! I MADE OUT LIKE A BANDIT ON THIS ONE AND CAN'T WAIT!!!😆👍

[@UncleDeion]

@@joediaz2589what’s your review after a month?

[@tristanbased-af2159]

I bought a 2013 Model S P85 2 months ago! I drive about 120Miles per day with it! I love it so far

[@tristanbased-af2159]

same color & interior color as yours

[@cadreamdrives]

I’m so happy you’re having a good experience with your car as well. I think they are super awesome cars, and amazing value for the $$!

[@fasthandsz]

Sad how 10 years is considered “old” for a Tesla

[@GrievousAngelo]

Ten years is “old” for every car.

[@ellia0david]

Thank you for taking time to explain the charging stations and why the fans are running etc. We are going to be purchasing a Tesla soon and your videos have been the most helpful of all we have seen for more reasons than what I mentioned above. Kudos.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate you taking the time to leave that comment. Messages like that warm my heart and makes it easier to keep making videos!

[@macmovieman1]

I noticed when you picked your station you didn’t select it by the speed of the charger and when you clicked on the slowest charger and then wondered why it took longer it made me think that you were not used to electric vehicles. Overall though I really did enjoy your content. Thank you.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you for your kind words! The chargers in Rancho Mirage are if the older kind, so they are all 72kW chargers - regardless of which one you pick 👍🏻

[@macmovieman1]

@@cadreamdrives The 150kW or larger might have been a better choice is all I was saying. We will be in Palm Springs for the next 4 days with our MXP and we love the 250kW chargers they have in the parking structure on the main drag. Very well kept model S and I hope my MSP looks that good 10-years from now.

[@davidradzieta6458]

Totally worthless. No battery warranty. No drive train warranty. No degradation warranty. No bumper. warranty. No warranty on any used Tesla, even month old Tesla, if not sold by Tesla, even then it is a limited warranty.

[@cadreamdrives]

Wow - why don't you tell us how you really feel? 😀

[@paulbunyon6324]

I can still drive my 23 year old Honda Accord for an 8 hour trip on one tank. Car has been super reliable since I bought it new in 1999. Its just a car, nothing special, but I love it.

[@jimquantic]

I disagree, your Honda Accord IS special, one of the greatest designs on the road, period. The fact that there are so many, does not take away from its design, execution and long life. Same with Camry, same deal. Two GREAT cars, end of story, IMO.

[@nelsonc6173]

Yeah I've been to Palm Springs and I can attest it is freaking HOT!!!! Even dry heat bakes and being out in 100+ heat is absolutely no fun! But at night it does cool down fast. But afternoon to sundown heat is brutal! Also driving a ten year old Tesla with 100,000 + and still having the long range capacity is a definite sign of a very well made car!!!!

[@ItsTimePictures]

The Model S will always look super sexy. No doubt. What Tesla needs is a robust after-market for mods and batteries to keep these cars out of land-fills. The Prius battery market is filled with inde refurb guys who can provide battery packs far far lower than what Toyota would charge and that is a very good thing. My Prius is ugly, old (2005) and un-sexy, but at 200k miles I am getting 40 mpg on the original battery pack. She is a terrific around town car.

[@kabysummit5801]

My 2010 Lexus gs450h hybrid with 105k miles required a hybrid battery replacement 3 months ago. Guess I am not as lucky. Great car but I'm going to a Tesla soon.

[@h-j.k.8971]

I have run an old Mod.S 85 for the last three years and its fine. I no longer charge the battery up to 100% and then drive until its more or less empty like you would with a gas car, I just start my journey and stop at random chargers for 5 to 10 maybe 15 mins and then continue on. This takes the stress out of charging, gives me short breaks to stretch my legs and keeps the battery in its most effective range. One thing I would recommend is an upgrade to MUC2, the old MUC1 gets really lethargic after 10 years and spoils your experience with this otherwise fabulous car.

[@cadreamdrives]

I have been doing longer charging stops in the past, but I’m starting to switch to your philosophy as well. 10-15min stops seem much more efficient. My main display is finally de-laminating badly, so I may bite the bullet and do MCU-2. I haven’t been unhappy with MCU-1, but it definitely isn’t speedy 😄

[@depthcharge6215]

I recently drove an S 75D as a loaner while my MY 2021 goes for "repair" due to water intrusion. The suspension was a lilttle nicer, soft but just a bit compared to MY LR. I wouldn't buy a used model S 75d. It doesn't feel like the tesla experience is there vs newer models. Surprisingly the battery was still good in that model s with 87k miles on it.

[@cadreamdrives]

There is definitely a trade-off in technology between the older Teslas and the newer ones. But also a reverse tradeoff in price :)

[@NoName-hs3sf]

1 1/2 hrs to charge that’s insane. Tank full of gas 4 min. This is one thing that needs to be fixed before EVs become super popular.

[@cadreamdrives]

EV charging gets exponentially slower as the battery fills up. You can charge to 80% capacity MUCH faster than 100%. But the big thing to keep in mind is that if you have the ability to charge at home, you’ll have a full “tank” EVERY morning. Try having that with an ICE car! I only visit a super charger a few times a year - whenever I need to drive more than 200 miles in a day.

[@toughkix]

Modern windmills are more like in the 15MW range, not 1MW 😅😁

[@silverchickencsgo8159]

Im about to buy an Tesla S 85 Performance /2013/. Got a test drive, amazing car. Even if its lose 20% of battery i dont care. Just charge 1 time more than usual doesnt mean its bad. Amazing experience.

[@cadreamdrives]

Congratulations! I hope it will be as great a car for you as it has been for me!

[@FordGranada75]

While (super)charging the Tesla takes the power needed for the A/C from the charger, not from the battery. Other EVs do it the other way round, but I prefer the way Tesla does it.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you for posting that info. I did not know that. That is super cool! (both figuratively and literally :😀)

[@Janez-h1e]

My 2014 is @295.000mls, still running strong. I would not sell it for anything. Total maintenance costs in 10 years around $5000 (battery needed some new cells and motor newly insulated).

[@hogi99]

Tesla needs to expand current color palette to include older colors they used to have. 😍

[@cadreamdrives]

I agree! I love the old gray my car has. It’s an incredible color, that somehow always manages to look clean - even when it is far from it 😄

[@rogergeyer9851]

So much for the BEV denier claims that BEV batteries "need replacing in a few years". And batteries have gotten MUCH better in recent years, and should continue to improve as more research is done on them, better chemistries are used for durability (like LFP and LFMP). And hopefully things like silicon will improve themselves in time.

[@Note7creole]

Nice.. appreciate you showing us an older model S and how its still a leader to these other OEMs...

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you. We are just now starting to see cars that are getting close to being able to compete with Teslas. But if you factor in the Super Charger network, no one else is close.

[@Note7creole]

@@cadreamdrives the lead is unchecked. Range anxiety has been cured

[@ChaoticMatters]

Those timelapse shots are awesomeeee

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you so much!

[@sangriabiscus2856]

How much to replace the Tesla battery? $23,000?

[@drzeng-ie8eb]

More like $ 30,000 + now

[@cadreamdrives]

You can now replace the battery for around $15k from Tesla - or significantly less from 3rd party. There are also companies that will repair your old battery for quite a bit less. I had an engine go out in a Jaguar XKR with less than 70k miles on it. A new engine was $30k. I had to seek the car for scrap instead.

[@dasppg9737]

I was quoted 16k. My battery is fine as I have 70k miles but I was curious. There are premium cars with engines costing much more than that

[@dasppg9737]

@@drzeng-ie8eb nope. Nice try though

[@Davoodoox1]

New battery costs about 25000€ in Finland. What a joke.

[@UNIT-626]

i've had so many cars and after a year I'm always wondering what's next, now that I have my model S I don't think i'll ever get rid of it, such a great car.

[@cadreamdrives]

I feel much the same way. I have several cars, but I always drive the S - and the only car I could imagine replacing it with, would be a newer S 😊

[@baileytran4013]

Maybe in California. I have massive range anxiety after trying to to take my 2013 model s 60 version from Minneapolis to Green Bay in the dead of winter. Made it but had to combine all my battery saving techniques. Yes it was a bad idea. I did get a gas car for long hauls shortly after... 😢

[@cadreamdrives]

I can certainly understand that. I can only imagine what the range on an old 60 battery in the cold is! Great job making it there! Did you use ABRP to plan your stops? That can be super helpful. No need to swear off all EVs because of that experience. You just need something with a little more range! 😄

[@baileytran4013]

I had done the route before. I basically have it memorized. I didn't swear off EVs I use the tesla 99% of the time and gas car when I need the range. I get free charging with the Tesla so I am going to use till I can no longer use it. A battery upgrade is possible I don't have money for it though.

[@logitech4873]

@@baileytran4013 Don't bother with a battery upgrade. Save your money for your next car instead, and keep truckin with the old tesla until it doesn't work anymore :)

[@baileytran4013]

@@logitech4873 Good Idea :) good for the environment good for me!

[@rko1914]

@@cadreamdrives For your next Tesla, I wouldnt advise geting the smallest battery pack that Tesla ever made. I have a 70D and my next Tesla will be a P100D or Model S Plaid.

[@purrdey]

I collected my Model S in February 2015, and have done nearly 80K miles. I am about to do my 14th road trip in it, from the middle of England to the south of Spain. Previously I have driven it to Dresden, Ljubljana/Trieste, Barcelona, Valencia, Szczecin (Poland), Denmark, Bologna/Cinque Terre, the Dolomites, Seville/the Algarve etc. 250 miles is NOT a road trip, I've driven further than that to go and buy something. But the quick answer is: Yes.

[@cadreamdrives]

That’s awesome! They truly are amazing cars, and I can’t think of any other car I’d rather have. Europe is great for distance driving and exploring. I have taken the S on a few “actual” roadtrips over here as well (and they all went swimmingly), but for the video, 250 miles was all I had that day 😊

[@SmorfSmorf]

I could never wait 1 hour for my car to charge Time is to expensive

[@Jortdf534]

I agree, electric cars are a total drag for road trips. Even if you should take breaks on a roadtrip, you're at the mercy of your car to decide when you take a break. and an hour is way too long for most roadtrip stops. i recently took a trip from CA to TX and back, two days each way in a gas car. In an electric car that's at least 4 days each way, possibly 5. way too much time wasted to charge a stupid car.

[@SmorfSmorf]

@@Jortdf534 yeah I think the newer models will do fine with fast charging and so on but used teslas dont stand a chance.

[@cadreamdrives]

You have to factor in that the amount of time spent charging has an element of personal preference. For road trips, many people choose much shorter stops. The cars charge MUCH faster in the beginning of the charge cycle - meaning you can put a LOT of miles in the car in 10-20 minutes (and even more on the newer Teslas, what accept higher charging currents than mine does). I like to go and grab a cup of coffee and squeeze in as much as I can when I'm stopped, but that's also partially because Super Charging is free for me - and charging at home isn't. So I may as well get as much free range as I can. The other reality is that I rarely ever visit chargers away from my house. My car is "full" EVERY morning, which means I can easily go 150 miles or more. It's VERY rare that I go further than that. So if you add up the time, I would likely spend more time at gas stations overall than than I do at charging stations with my Tesla.

[@SmorfSmorf]

@@cadreamdrives Yes everybody has a preference but nothing beats filling up your car in 1min and then carry on driving xD

[@rko1914]

@@SmorfSmorf Not paying for fuel beats filing up your car quickly. My 70D has free supercharging for life. My Porsche Cayenne S only takes premium so filling for free beats paying for premium gas every day of the week for me.

[@Robbellia]

I don’t have a Tesla. I didn’t really have any desire to own one, however I stumbled upon this video and stayed for the duration! Great video and great quality and thanks to you I’m now looking at used Tesla’s 😅

[@cadreamdrives]

That’s fantastic! Thank you very much for the compliments. I hope you join the club. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed - they really are amazing cars. We are working on swapping more cars to Teslas this year in our household. Thanks for watching!

[@Bannergolfer]

I’m keeping an eye out for an older model S, now that they might be eligible for the tax credit on used EVs ($4000 max credit). Would need to find one for

[@stevebernal8355]

Bannergolfer how do you get the credit I just got a 22k Model s 2014

[@Bannergolfer]

@@stevebernal8355 Steve, you apply for the credit when you file your taxes for 2023. As they say on TV, “conditions apply”. You must buy used EV from a dealer, not an individual and the price must be

[@MsMikkiG11]

Have you found one for

[@MisterCee41510]

@@Bannergolfer TY. This is helpful. I owe money and would like a Tesla. This would be really helpful.

[@nikolarandelovic]

amazing video! great music, i'm impressed - and i very rarely comment

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate your words - and you taking the time to comment. It means more than most think!

[@guruknow]

Nice and useful video. Curious, when did you film this that it was so hot? 'cause KZbin says it was posted 1 month ago, which would have been January. Btw, I love those old Model S's. I think at some point they will start to appreciate in value, because they're so iconic.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you! I actually filmed it in June, but it took me a while before I got to the editing. I think I posted it shortly before Christmas.

[@captainsemtex]

Excellent video. I just bought my first Tesla... a 2018 Model S P100D. It's awesome. At timestamp 2:02 you show the driver console. The center display is much better than what I see... which is just the car and the speed. I know I can change the side display items but can I change the presentation of the center item? Additionally at timestamp 2:52 you show a consumption chart on the main display. How to you access that? I have the latest software update. Thanks in advance.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you! You have the newer version of the computer in your car (MCU2). I’m still on the older version, which is why my display looks different. I don’t know that you can change yours to mimic what you saw on mine. The consumption charts are under Charging somewhere. I’m sadly away from the car right now, so I’m not able to tell you exactly where you can find them.

[@vwduiven3072]

Got the same car 2013 85. In dolphin grey 120k miles 21 inch turbine alloys black tinted rear windows i love it! Only thing i dont love are the expensive repairs

[@cadreamdrives]

They are great cars! What kind of repairs have you had to do?

[@vwduiven3072]

@@cadreamdrives drive train . Broken speed sensor in the drive unit . Leaking tail Light. Leaking front wind shield. Rear axle click numerus times. Vibrating front seats

[@jayygtr]

I got the same car here 2012 P85 signature at 122k and still running strong 😅 my full charge sits at 238 miles of range and was 265 new.

[@cadreamdrives]

That’s fantastic! Did you buy it new or second hand?

[@jayygtr]

I got it new and has always been using supercharger station to refill since

[@cadreamdrives]

@@jayygtrThat’s great to hear! There is so much info floating around about supercharging being bad for batteries, so thank you for sharing your experience!

[@TheBousouzoku]

What's that bubble streak on the cluster?

[@cadreamdrives]

That’s the dreaded delamination that most all of the old screens will suffer from at some point. It’s gotten quite a bit worse since I made the video too. There is a fix - to upgrade the computer from MCU1 to MCU2, but that comes at a cost of around $2k. Luckily, the cluster sits at an angle where I don’t really see it while I’m driving. But it is ugly when you view it from different angles.

[@movingforward20]

Really good video, thanks! One thing though, Tesla recommends you charge to a maximum of 90% usually for better battery health. It’s probably ok to charge higher very infrequently, like to 95% once on a trip. Also, charging for the newer 2021+ Model S vehicles and other Teslas is more than twice as fast and they launched their even faster V4 Superchargers. All good news, so by the time you get some refreshments, the car is ready. 2017+ Model 3s already have faster charging enabled. If you charge only at home using Level 2 240 V charging, then there can be zero wait by the time you are ready in the morning to go. All clean and better for the environment too, with zero emissions. Many people even charge for free at home with their own solar panels, or in some cases wind power! Free and clean energy!

[@cadreamdrives]

I completely agree! I have solar panels on order, and having the car "full" every morning is enough for me for everyday use. I only use the Super Chargers if I'm going on a road trip. Depending on my schedule, I may charge to 100% there once in a blue moon, but mostly, I do shorter, quicker stops to 70-80%. The charging times for the newer cars are amazing - and they keep getting faster. The Lucid can charge at incredible speed!

[@homeboy391]

I'm gonna agree that after 10 years that's pretty good battery capacity. Helps to dispel the panic out there regarding batteries

[@n8works]

1:39 I have one of the first model S. I like how you can see the delamination of the LCD here that is SO common in these older cars. The display still works, but it looks ugly. Mine has grown to the entire bottom half of my display. The biggest issue with this is that the advesive leaks out into your console and if you aren't careful you will have very sticky fingers if you touch the wrong part of your car. So far, my model S is still running great though. Being the performance model it eats tires like cookie on crack would eat cookies, but that's a bit on me. Cheers to Tesla for making a great car! I still love it even with it's blemishes!

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you for watching! The delamination definitely seems to be common. I'm actually not sure how long mine has had it, since I typically don't notice it due to the location it happened in. I do know that it has been more than a year, and so far, I've been lucky that it hasn't grown much. If it ever gets huge - or starts oozing out, I'll be looking into either doing the DIY fix, or buying a new screen. You're certainly right about the tire wear! Since mine is lowered too, it just tears through them. I've seen you can purchase aftermarket control arms that will fix the issue, so I may be getting some of those in the future. But I'm in the same boat as you - I love my with with blemishes and all. It's just such a useful and complete car!

[@visualtouchpos-global3214]

Upgrade to MCU2

[@n8works]

@@visualtouchpos-global3214 I did. Had to pay a grip for it too.

[@sononsoft5253]

We drove from Fremont to LA and back. Oh boy, it needed 5 charges with the Model S (2014). At one of the second last charge on the I5 highway, it couldn't take in the charge and end up wasting almost an hour to get it to take in the charge. I wouldn't recommend using old Tesla for the long trip.

[@cadreamdrives]

I'm sorry you had a poor experience! It's definitely frustrating when things don't work the way they should! I have taken my car to San Francisco and back (I'm about an hour south of LA), and it was no issue. It did require a little planning and I think we stopped 3 times both ways. Time wise, you can always choose between more frequent, but shorter stops, or fewer, but longer stops. The first strategy tends to get your there the fastest, but I usually go for the second option and combine the stops with food or drinks. It's obviously not for everyone, but I enjoy driving for free and don't mind the extra stops. Newer Teslas can make the trip with just one stop on the way.

[@lseguy]

Haven’t watch the whole video yet. Did you mention the bubbling the delaminating center cluster?

[@cadreamdrives]

I didn’t mention it, but as you probably noticed, it’s quite visible in some of the close-ups of the screen above the steering wheel. I rarely ever notice them when I’m driving - I guess I was luck with the location they chose to appear in 😀. I know some people have successfully taken their screens out, taken them apart, and fixed the issue, but since this is my daily “haul stuff around” car, I haven’t taken the time to do so.

[@TQ11AA]

Do how reliable is a ten year old tesla , how easy is it to get it fixed? In UK tesla gets low reliability ratings compared to nearly all other makes of car according to Which magazine.

[@angelsebok9687]

you should try this same test at cold environment. That’s when the stress over the battery might really hit hard if the battery temperature control can’t handle due to insulation limitations

[@cadreamdrives]

I've heard about the reduced performance in cold weather. I would love to test it out, but it just doesn't get that cold around here 🙂

[@sliemtechkenya]

Tesla just introduced heat pumps. should work pretty fine

[@davidmenasco5743]

Tesla's are huge in Norway. Thus, you can find many videos of cold weather range testing. The best all-around EV tester on KZbin is on a channel called Tesla Bjørn*. He started many years ago with a Model S, but now tests all EVs sold in Europe. * That said, I do like this review we are commenting on very much. Entertaining and informative, and good info about the hot weather situation.

[@fradaja]

3 evs on mars , -250 how cold do you want it ?

[@rogergeyer9851]

@@fradaja: When we're all driving multi-million-dollar cars made by NASA, be sure and get back to us on that useful claim. /s

[@Keeping-It-Real-55]

I'm very interested in buying an older Tesla. Looking at 90d 2015 newer. Exciting videos like this help a-lot. I'm only buying something under 60k mileage.

[@cadreamdrives]

I’m so happy you found it useful! A P90D will be an awesome car! Good luck with your search!

[@229andymon]

Great video. I would have liked to see how much the electricity cost, especially if contrasted with how much you would've spent on gas.

[@cadreamdrives]

Electricity is $$$ where I live. I charge at off-peak hours at home (overnight) and filling the car from 10% to 90% will cost me around $12. So it cost me maybe $8-$9 for the outbound drive. The return trip was free as old Teslas get free Super Charging. Gas around here is currently $5.50 for a gallon (it was closer to $7 when I made the video!). 125 miles one way in a 30mpg car means app 4 gallons, so $22. And another $22 for the return trip.

[@markburton8303]

@@cadreamdrives That's quite interesting. I run a diesel car in the UK and at 70mph it will return 65mpg easily in highway driving. Obviously the UK gallon is larger than the US. Your electricity is definitely $$$$!

[@quartytypo]

They just won't quit. My grandpops bought a Tesla in the 1930's and I'm driving it today.

[@cadreamdrives]

Were the charges powered by paddle wheels back then? 😀

[@jasonsfam]

Screw that, waiting an hour to charge....I couldn't deal with that. Gas station....3 mins.

[@cadreamdrives]

That’s a fair point. But let me ask you this: How often do you go to the gas station? I stop at a charger maybe a handful of times in a year. Every day when I get into my car, it’s full. I only need to stop at a charger if I’m going on a road trip…

[@jasonsfam]

@@cadreamdrives absolutely a good point. I have the ability to charge at my home, and my workplace (free). However, when traveling with the wife/family it’d certainly be a hard sell to have to pull over for an hour on our way to our vacation home (250+ miles away). It’d certainly meet our needs 90% of the time. I’m sure that will improve in short order, as well. That said, our family’s traveling vehicle (GLS580) is a necessity for towing which the electric vehicles are unable to achieve for any significant distance.

[@logitech4873]

@@jasonsfam With the newer Teslas at the modern superchargers, the wait time is usually about 25-30 minutes before you set off again. This is my experience from a 13,500km roadtrip through Europe this summer. I understand your towing concern though.

[@justinpaterson5]

He has a P85D which almost certainly has free supercharging, it’s worth it then, also you don’t need to charge it for an hour +, generally 30 mins is enough to continue the destination. I have free supercharging also and am always super thankful for it, not dumping $75 into my tank each time. If I could get gas for free I’d probably do that instead! But then I’d miss 0-60 in the 2,s. If you have free supercharging and amazing performance these cars are awesome. Best car I have ever had, and you can’t get free supercharging on newer model s cars.

[@x6land]

For me, charging for more than 30 min and the small range ruins everything. I know some colleges who had to park there electric car in the city and proceed to take the train to work because they wouldn't make it. The battery is not efficient. The only positive thing is that it is cheap to maintain. It doesnt has all the filters and pumps like a normal combustion engine. This video remembers me my roadtrip of 2500 kilometers in my mercedes diesel. Mountain roads in the south of europe and high speeds in the german highway, didn't had to worry for anything since a full tank gave me 1000km range. The comfort and certainty cannot be beat

[@cadreamdrives]

I’m going to guess (and please tell me if I’m incorrect) that you don’t own an EV? The charging is mostly a non-issue. I think the last time I visited a supercharger was more than 6 months ago. It’s true, that if you plan on doing long trips, you have to plan for charging. But once you’re used to it, it seems to fall naturally into place with needing to do a quick stop anyway. I’ve taken my (admittedly old and comparatively low range) Tesla on many road trips and have never felt inconvenienced by having to stop for (free) charging. On the other hand, every time I get in one of my gas cars, it seems to be low on gas, and I then have to work a fueling stop into my plans last minute 😄. Everyone’s situation is different, but for many EV owners, the experience just isn’t what most non-EV owners think it is.

[@x6land]

@@cadreamdrives Yes, I don't own an EV. I was looking at the used market for an early production model S (they are quite cheap) and then saw this video. It is true, I have to experience it first, the charging points will only be better in the future. Amazing video btw!

[@cadreamdrives]

@@x6land Thank you so much for your kind comments. I’m very happy you liked the video! Whether or not EV ownership is a good fit is obviously very individual and unique to each owner’s situation. However, as an EV convert myself, I would venture that most people (not all) would be amazed at how much better and easier it is to own an EV compared to an ICE car.

[@777Outrigger]

You get much lower charging speeds above 80%. It's counterproductive to charge beyond 80% on a road trip if you don't have to. But great video! .... I picked up a Model Y LR in Dec and have had it for only 7 months now. Getting around 307 miles of implied range on the last road trip. Nice to hear about how a 10 yr old Tesla performs.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you very much for your comment! I agree with your statement. I only charge to 100% if I know I'm not getting back to the car for a while. The range in the newer cars is much better (and they charge quicker), but I still love my old S!

[@peterduxbury927]

Just a great education in the discussion with regards to driving a ten year-old Tesla Model S. The discrepancy that you discovered in the distance remaining, could have been something so simple as a headwind on your journey. I loved the comments, and the photography was also excellent! I watched two of your video productions back-to-back, and really enjoyed watching Greetings from Australia.

[@cessealbeach]

My brothers 2013 Model S 75 requires a new battery, Price quoted by tesla $21K, Its got 129K Miles, The car would only charge upto 42%

[@cadreamdrives]

I’m so sorry to hear that. That’s the fear for most owners of older Teslas, and it sucks when it happens. But there are other options than a full (and expensive) Tesla replacement. Some people have been able to get remanufactured batteries from Tesla for less, and there are now quite a few 3rd party options. Some companies offer full battery swaps for significantly less than Tesla, and others can now perform repairs on the old batteries. Check out EV-Recell, 057tech (suggested by a viewer in another comment), and Gruber Motors. They all offer solutions at much less $$$. There are quite a few other companies out there in addition to these.

[@dmandman9]

@@cadreamdrives I’m wondering if the Tesla battery pack is similar to Ford where the battery pack is serviceable and consists of several modules that can be replaced separately if they fail. Or does the entire Tesla battery have to be replaced all at once?

[@cadreamdrives]

@@dmandman9 It depends on who you ask. Tesla will not repair a battery or replace any of the cells in it, but that is exactly what some of the 3rd party places do. A Tesla battery is made up of a large amount of individual cells, and they are indeed replaceable. Tesla has just chosen not to offer / support this service.

[@dmandman9]

@@cadreamdrives With ford you don’t replace the individual cells. But the battery pack is made of several modules. You could compare it to a 36volt golf cart which contains 6 6 volt batteries. I’m not sure how many modules the Lightning uses, but I believe the Mach e uses either 6 or 8 depending on whether it’s extended range or not. We can view the battery condition using our scan tool. And see the condition of each module. If a module has degraded excessively because of too many bad cells, only that module needs to be replaced . And if another module is marginal, they can choose to replace it at that time as well. That potentially saves thousands of dollars. Ford only recommends replacing the entire pack if 4 or more of the 6 modules are bad. Hopefully, Tesla and the other companies will do the same eventually. Since batteries generally last several hundred thousand miles, it’s likely that if a battery has failed just outside of warranty and can charge to 40-50% then it’s probably just one individual module that’s failed and pulling the entire pack down. In a ford, replacing it would restore the vast majority of the battery capacity

[@cadreamdrives]

I like the modular idea. Tesla made a choice early to not service their batteries like that, but that doesn't mean old batteries just get discarded after they fail. Tesla will take your old battery and refurbish it - and offer that to their customers as a replacement battery.

[@jamesemmerson6395]

I owned a 2013 Model S, new battery from 2019. Everything was perfect, until the battery had an error (failure with one cell, can't remember code). It would have cost me 15k to replace battery or 7k to repair. Since it was no longer under warranty and the insurance would no longer repair the battery, I was on my own. Uk btw.

[@cadreamdrives]

So sorry that happened to you! What did you end up doing?

[@RipleyBukta]

Just curious, was there any battery degradation, and if so how much.

[@denysarcuri1213]

No more degradation than there would be with a gas-powered car's engine apparently. But I only own a 2023 Model 3 LR. Owning it and experiencing an EV first hand, I would say that it makes all ICE vehicles obsolete. The sooner we get rid of all gas-powered vehicles, the better . . . and I own a Nissan V8 pickup, a BMW 335i, a Shelby Mustang GT500 and a Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel V6. Obsolete. All of them, and their obsolescence will be much clearer in the next several years.

[@hey8you]

I just bought a 2023 Model 3 and its started getting hot here. Turning on the AC before getting in the car is great. I did a short trip(215 miles) to Reno and while it was parked my car got to 107 inside. I vented the windows and turned on the AC. By the time I got to my car it was cool. My last car doing the same I felt like dying as soon as I got in the car, lol.

[@cadreamdrives]

Congratulations on the new 3! The ability to turn the HVAC on from remote is such a nice feature. I really appreciate it when it crazy hot. I’m sure people enjoy it equally in areas where it gets very cold…

[@hey8you]

@@cadreamdrives It gets cold here too. Not snow level but cold. I tried the heated steering wheel when I got off work(330am) and I have to say, its hot. Like too hot, lol. I am enjoying the car though.

[@tyranelewis7763]

Wow your car still looks sexy.. its a 2013 with 85 battery pack ? .. After owning a 85D I discovered that pack was the largest out up until 2015 before the 2016 90 pack came along. The 85 packs unfortunatly does not have the better HV thermal system to keep them cool enough to accept the faster Super charging rates of today. So the Super charging speeds have been cut back to prevent overheat and damage.

[@cadreamdrives]

Yes, it’s a P85. And you are correct - my car “suffers” from a lower Max charging rate. I know there was an option to have dual chargers on the car, but sadly mine doesn’t have that option.

[@joemcdonough7509]

@@cadreamdrives Love your classic P85. I've got a 2015 P90D and still enjoy every day with it. There's a company called 057 Technology that can install 90kw battery pack in your P85 if you want to keep that car for the long run and have higher range and charging speeds. Unfortunately, they are located in North Carolina, complete opposite of you.

[@scottfindley1345]

Sick tunes! I love that little micro slap bass in that first house tune the comes in.:) slow(mo) house is the new 'fast'!!

[@cadreamdrives]

Glad you like it! I think it's pretty cool too 😛

[@KeepWrenchin]

Before a road trip it is totally okay to charge to 100%. Just don't leave it sitting at 100%. Tesla batteries top level so it's actually good for the pack to do it.

[@cadreamdrives]

I agree. I charge to 100% if I have a major road trip coming up. But for regular days, I usually go 80 or 85%

[@lseguy]

No one really charges to 100% on road trips using super chargers. That last 10-20% takes too long

[@KeepWrenchin]

@@lseguy Correct. I wasn't talking about super chargers. I should have been more clear. Before a road trip when you're starting from your house, charge to 100% right before departure time. I've owned an S for 6 years and supercharged twice.

[@Johnsormani]

The downside to charging to 100% is that the car won’t regen, so it only makes sense if you are only going to be on the highway, otherwise you will use range while braking etc

[@drmichaellum]

My 2014 Model S P85+ had 96K miles and got around 218 miles of range at 90%. I had just replaced the rear motor, when the carriage holding the motor got loose, the Tesla techs discovered the motor was leaking fluid. Then a mysterious noise on the right side ended up costing me with the replacement of front and rear brakes to no avail. Rear wheel bearings were the culprit. Long story short, I just traded it in for a new 2024 Model S (long range)--which essentially is what we knew as the P100D. The new car was just under $80K, and trade in value for my old Model S was $12,400.

[@KicksAndSnares92]

Shout out to Indio 0:05

[@cadreamdrives]

😄Good eye!

[@jukesters123]

Electricity anxiety. After the trip you have to charge it for 6 hoursd?No tx. Crank the A/C,Nope. Sry but this looks like a pain.

[@cadreamdrives]

I’m going to guess that you don’t own an EV? 😊 Your concerns are what I hear from non-EV owners all the time. In reality, I find EVs to be MUCH more convenient and less anxiety inducing than ICE cars. But before I got one myself, I would have said the exact same thing you did 😊

[@terencewalker5756]

Ten years old isn’t really old though. Very informative video. I still really like the model S.

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you! 10 years is pretty much as old as you can find them at this time 🙂

[@alanl3511]

10 years is old for Tesla’s model S, the roadster is even older and most of them are still on the road…

[@QUIKCaspa]

I bought a model 3 85d and to be honest, I love it to bits, SUCH a nice daily and I don't travel LONG distances so that's all good. I've also got nice big 20" wheels on mine with suspension dropped to the floor lol, tinted black windows and fitted plaid seats in it 0-100km/h is 4 flat which is WAY fast enough for me, still able to beat the average M3 or RS4 from the lights with ease lol

[@cadreamdrives]

Congratulations! They truly are amazing cars and it sounds like you have a great setup on yours too! So many people don’t know what they are missing!

[@QUIKCaspa]

@@cadreamdrives Definitely, you are absolutely right. People assume the worst of Teslas (Which I think it's a bit of a jealous act sometimes lol) I'm not a huge fan of the model 3 but the model S I absolutely love, looks awesome and my 85d is way fast enough for me along with a cool look :)

[@jordanking6939]

I did a road trip from San Francisco, CA to Las Vegas, NV in a new Tesla Model 3 three weeks ago. I had acceleration on chill mode and adaptive cruise control. The experience only got me 190-200 miles until a full charge is needed. In my opinion, the tech on a 2013-2014 Model S isn't up to date to endure long road trip let alone on a 10 year old battery with over 100,000 miles. My rental only had 141 miles when I rented the vehicle from Hertz at the SFO Airport.

[@cadreamdrives]

Yeah, the Standard Range Model 3s don’t go much further than my old S. The higher models go significantly further. Of course. You do get the benefit of much faster charging with the newer Model 3s.

[@JakeRichardsong]

Plenty of people have taken road trips in older Moder S's...just fine, no problems.

[@disissartaj]

"range was lost due to not using regenerative braking on a freeway." No braking is still better than regenerative braking for efficiency.

[@cadreamdrives]

Yes, I agree with that statement. The way I presented it in the video didn’t come out quite right!

[@abonetp]

Correct. "range was lost" because you're driving fast and fighting wind resistance. Regen braking isn't really the key reason why in-city driving has longer range, the bigger factor is the slower speed.

[@tomthebrick8360]

Great video. Very informative. Thanks

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@rickybungalow8839]

the 2014 P85D is about the same price as a 2018 model 3 long range. the model 3 is longer range, about the same acceleration but is much more updated

[@cadreamdrives]

I think you’ll still have to pay more for a 2018 M3 LR than for an old P85, but your point is well taken. It really comes down to personal preferences. I’d pick the older S any day over the 3. It just feels like a more premium car to me, and I like all the extra space. But others may definitely prefer a newer car with more modern tech instead 👍🏻

[@rickybungalow8839]

yeah i havnt ridden in a model s. maybe id feel differently@@cadreamdrives

[@RickDenzien]

A ten year old Tesla S is still better, more tech & network advanced, than any other EV, except for new Teslas!

[@davidfernandez790]

Great looking car! Thanks for the video! What’s the wheels and tire set up? Is the car lowered with after market parts or stock?

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you! I’m not sure who made the wheels, but they are 22”s with a staggered setup. 295/25 in the back and 255/30 in the front. And yes, lowered with aftermarket links 😊

[@davidfernandez790]

@@cadreamdrives thanks for the reply! How’s the ride with the 22”? And with it lowered like that does it rub or hit anywhere?

[@cadreamdrives]

​​⁠The ride is very subjective. I think it’s amazing with the air suspension, but I’m sure there are others, who would consider it harsh. There is no general rubbing, but I may get a little sometimes, if I go over a particularly harsh dip at high speeds. It doesn’t bother me, but it definitely happens.

[@比卡超-g5w]

I already own a model s, clicked in becoz your car looks awesome, love the wheels, and what color is the paint?

[@cadreamdrives]

Thank you. It’s Dolphin Gray. It’s one of the easiest colors to take care of that I’ve ever had. The car always looks decent - almost no matter how dirty it gets 😀

[@111DAKIDD]

@@cadreamdrives …What rims are those? Size and specs please… they look amazing on your MS