Tesla vision is great yet dangerous

Tesla vision is great yet dangerous - here's why!

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@ResetPhil 4 ай бұрын

Shocked they didn’t add a front bumper camera. We don’t need the system to tell us there’s an object 10 meters in front of us. We’d be able to see it with our own eyes. We need a bumper camera to show us our front blind spot.

@chrisvanderstock 4 ай бұрын

Agreed - and that's why some people install after market accessories to address this shortfall. Maybe next version of M3 and MY?

@bradfordjhart 4 ай бұрын

You're using it wrong, Why don't you just move to California where everything's 10 ft away anyway.

@DerekDavis213 4 ай бұрын

But a front bumper camera is such an odd idea. So non-intuitive. How could Tesla engineers figure that out? omg

@colinmerrilees 3 ай бұрын

The camera placements are derived from the original Model S Autopilot feature which was designed for highway driving, that needed to watch the road ahead and side to side for lane changing. When they designed and released the Model 3/Y they had an opportunity to add a front bumper camera for cross path traffic and close range parking, but seemed to think they could solve those challenges with the original camera placements. A missed opportunity, as now all the billions of miles of training data and neural net algorithms for training the Tesla vision system are designed around the placement and calibration of the current setup. Changing the camera positions now, is a massive undertaking to overhaul and recalibrate the training data set.

@kpkaus 4 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you. They should have kept USS while trying to improve vision parking. I am sure most of the drivers would be happy to pay extra couple of hundred dollars. I hope Elon Musk watches your video. The company really needs to look at the customers feedback, otherwise BYD will take over.

@chrisvanderstock 4 ай бұрын

Thanks. I've been wanting to do this video for a while now but waited as comparing one with the other will always be fraught with comments like "your car with USS, can't be compared to those equipped only with Tesla vision". At least now we can try it and see... which IMHO is great but also shows how bad Tesla Vision is. It's a simple fix, put a bumper camera in, ultra sonics, and that's it - fixed!

@nshon7 4 ай бұрын

Munro reckons it costs $114 to keep the 12 USS on 3/Ys

@AcidGubba 3 ай бұрын

You don't need a front camera. The problem why it wasn't seen is because the driver changed the setting from USS to Vision. If he drove in directly with Tesla Vision he would of course see it because the data is evaluated like when a person drives and sees something in front. Removing USS was the right decision; in FSD all cars drive without USS when deciding how to drive. The point of Tesla Vision is that a person who is driving only sees what he sees; he doesn't need ultrasonic sensors to estimate distances. In the long term, Tesla Vision will be better than the mature technology of USS.

@hadtobe4502 3 ай бұрын

@@AcidGubba People don't need long term - like unpaid beta testers - they need safety now.

@ED_GAMER_PHD 3 ай бұрын

I tested it today. It is badddd. I miss BMW 360 view.

@menga001 3 ай бұрын

If only they combine the two options. Using camera that extend past the ultrasonic range.

@jimdonaldson64 4 ай бұрын

You are right chris 360 +ultrasonics would be the best of both worlds, don't hold your breath. I will stick with my ultrasonics , camera's and mirrors for the time being I think.

@JunYamog 3 ай бұрын

I switched back to USS, I tried vision for more than a week. It doesn't work on dark/night time well. It panics too early or doesn't seem some obstacles. It is no better or worse than my vision. While the USS gives me additional ability to judge the distance which is useful on those real tight spaces. I think the BMW camera with USS graphics and warnings is the best. Sadly this looks to be the auto wiper situation. Where they take a sensor out that really already works, trying an alternative way but never actually get as good.

@BobbieGWhiz 3 ай бұрын

I really like Tesla vision for parking in a well lined parking lot. Previously, I didn’t have a good feel for where the corners of the car were. I really don’t like that 3-D blobby stuff that it does, especially in my one car garage. I use tennis ball and string technology. I don’t think it’s going to get much better, but hope I’m wrong.

@neotheliberator2218 9 күн бұрын

A 360° degree birdeye camera perspective is really the state of the art at the region where Tesla is selling cars. Have had a couple of cars and all above 40k give you the option for a front bumper camera and/or 360° live view. Even the Citroen Berlingo's at our company do generate at least a 180° degree view with full birdeye view with only one camera the more you drive backwards (picture is put together when you reverse). That 3D rendering is ridiculous and they only use it to avoid paying for the patent license cost like all other car manufacturers. That's the only reason for that 3D rendering instead of showing real world imagery.

@kc-me6wl Ай бұрын

this is a really interesting video. How is FSD currently working given this blindspot with the missing front camera??!! Thanks for this!!

@shahvatsal2391986 Ай бұрын

Dumbest idea ever to remove USS. Why can’t just have both vision and USS. Vision is not accurate as USS. Also USS and Vision together can be super imposed to make best of both worlds and leave it to driver what they want to use.

@johnfitbyfaithnet 3 ай бұрын

So driving an older car with none of this tech is not dangerous? Come on

@hadtobe4502 3 ай бұрын

This cannot be fixed with the usual Tesla OTA update either. Definitely needs some vision in the lower front - maybe more cameras, or put back the ultra sonic sensors. Is Tesla becoming mediocre compared to other competitive priced EV's on the market - especially the Chinese brands over the next 12 months coming to Australia.

@auslei 4 ай бұрын

they should retrofit frint cams for teslas i am even happy to pay for it. theyre are 3rd party ones, but tesla made can be better integrated into the software at least use ALL the data for parking assist!!

@Jubelly 6 күн бұрын

Looks fancy, works like 💩 and is ☠️

@ericl1421 3 ай бұрын

Can be improved yes, but dangerous? What. Use your eyes.

@MichaelSmith-px1ev 4 ай бұрын

I agree they need a 180 degree camera on the bonnet. It would be interesting to see a software update to US version 12.4 or 12.5 provides any differentiation in this test.

@mspalmboy 4 ай бұрын

Totally agree. I have sensors and I tried vision for 4 days. On the 2nd day I almost hit a brick wall that the sensors always detect. Vision is too dangerous and I turned it off after 4 days. Teslas need a true 360 degree camera, or as a minimum both sensors *and* vision. FAIL Tesla

@chrisvanderstock 4 ай бұрын

Yeah not a good experience, right!?

@blessguy5330 3 ай бұрын

Imagine needing parking sensors otherwise hitting a wall

@samztang953 3 ай бұрын

Even a 30K car in the market has 360 degree cameras these days.

@renehunt4252 3 ай бұрын

Tesla vision requires you to back into parking spot.dont you get it?

@ThiagoRM 4 ай бұрын

I get the point tha tesla expects that the artificial intelligence neural networks works just like a human driver would do and see, using only vision. But I also expected as user that the car would extended that super powers with something like ultrasonic to see where I am the driver can't see.

@DerekDavis213 4 ай бұрын

After many FSD v12 point releases, it is nothing like a human driver. It still makes mistakes on any challenging drive. A Level 2 assistant, nothing more.

@mathieuraymond6618 3 ай бұрын

I'm in the market for a used MYP. Was thinking of getting a 2023 to be sure it has the Tesla Vision so that I can always get the latest tech updates but by looking at this I'm thinking about going for a 2022 (sept and earlier) to get the Ultrasonics instead.

@lucidf8 3 ай бұрын

I have a ‘22 Model Y with USS, and have been trying Vision for the past month. Mostly a good experience, in the garage, it is tight, but still similar to the USS. Vision keeps me an extra 4-6 inches behind where I stop with USS, but it’s comparable. I prefer Vision on public parking spots, though because I can see the left-right painted line locations better as I pull in. I don’t parallel park much, and I curbed my wheels before I had Vision available. I don’t think that would have happened if I had Vision from the start.

@BadL_ 3 ай бұрын

It could definitely be able to show everything in front of it without a bumper camera. If it is just given the ability to remember what it has seen then it will always be able to know what’s in front of it. Nothing can get in front of the car without it getting seen by the cameras first. It is a solvable problem with the hardware it has, and they definitely are not bringing ultrasonics back. The $114 estimate is just the cost of the sensors, it doesnt take into account the added parts needed, the time it takes to manufacture, or the cost of tools/labour needed to install them.

@samztang953 3 ай бұрын

Thanks

@davehayes8812 4 ай бұрын

Great stuff Chris! I expect Tesla vision will improve over time. I think it needs a memory, for keeping objects in mind that were visible, then became invisible to the front facing cameras. In the mean time, I find it usable.

@ObiePaddles 4 ай бұрын

Great colour MGZSEV. We had the same and my favourite car colour ever.

@mit500 3 ай бұрын

My biggest problem is reversing. We have hit 2 car low sitting concrete obstacles in older squeeze car parks now. Both $$$ to repair. Did you try reversing ? Going forward not an issue because you can see what’s in front. But not reversing. Incidentally I’ve noticed quite a few model Ys now with body crumple marks at the rear. Likely same thing.

@BradMelbourneAus 3 ай бұрын

Do you not look at the giant rear facing video when reversing??? Reversing is not an issue

@Peter-hg2oc 3 ай бұрын

It’s as dumb arse as taking away the indicator stalks.

@mashoook 4 ай бұрын

On a side note, will you be going to see Luzia when it returns to Sydney end of year?

@jful 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm still pretty unhappy with thr decision to remove these sensors before vision was ready. At least vision only cars actually have something now but it's not good enough. Not a deal breaker for me but really hope they can dial this in. Looking forward to picking up a new model 3 LR/Performance (haven't decided yet) still though.

@AcidGubba 3 ай бұрын

@pmacgowan 4 ай бұрын

You should do what I do, I put a swash ball in on a string dangling from the ceiling and when I go and park in my garage I know I am in the correct position when the ball touches my windscreen, simple and effective PS I agree the ultrasonic sensors should never have been removed 😞

@DerekDavis213 4 ай бұрын

Ultra sonic sensors, gone. Turn Signal Stalk, gone. Elon knows best.

@pmacgowan 4 ай бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 Elon has become a liability for Tesla

@omernagi 4 ай бұрын

Still prefer Tesla vision it’s far superior than uss

@DerekDavis213 4 ай бұрын

FSD cannot backup the car, because the engineers have *no* *confidence* in Tesla Vision.

@GenuineFlolie 3 ай бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 I have seen it doing a three point turn easy. Please stop spreading this BS.

@DerekDavis213 3 ай бұрын

@@GenuineFlolie When FSD is active and controlling the car, it will NOT do a 3-point turn. It is not capable of that.

@mariano4762 3 ай бұрын

Tesla disappoints me with these cost cuttings. Also the recent removal of stalks is a very dumb move

@lharris828 4 ай бұрын

These options are *not* on my screen!

@MegaWilderness 4 ай бұрын

Tesla vision doesn't help when it's blind. Each camera is a single point of failure attached to a heavy killing machine

@xiaofan1228 3 ай бұрын

10:08 Have you ever try to reverse back a little bit , so the camera can see the box ahead? I'm wondering if fsd can remember things ahead coming near ...

@lolfreakwaca4328 3 ай бұрын

the car doesn't have a memory...once an object is out of sight , it doesn't exist anymore as far as the car knows.

@celderian 3 ай бұрын

It doesn't unless they have a certain height. you can see that happen with the parking line disappearing when the car creeps closer to it. They need a bumper front camera but cost-saving is the name of the game unfortunately...

@gordonshaw3245 4 ай бұрын

Hi Chris, great content as always, I wonder if hw4 makes a difference in the front camera. I’m 10k into my m3 highland experience and havn’t had any dings as a result of vision, but I quickly worked out its limitations. Basically they are assuming your eyes fill in the gaps that the front camera can’t cope with. As I say, not an issue for me atm, but I wonder/worry about how it would work with FSD when in theory eyes arnt required. Maybe it’ll get better in time 🤞. Cheers

@chrisvanderstock 4 ай бұрын

That's good to hear. Hopefully they do address the issues seen in this video (and many others) - like the false positives. I think to address the lack of proximity warning for front objects, they really need to add a bumper camera, then it will be good? Hopefully!?

@gordonshaw3245 4 ай бұрын

@@chrisvanderstock Agreed, front camera would be great, keeping it clean and having a wide enough angle would be challenges. Without it I struggle to see how FSD could be good enough when a car is parking/moving on anything but a road.

@RaviWimalaratna 4 ай бұрын

Absolutely right. I am on the 4th month of enjoying my brand new M3 highland. Only major issue is not able to judg3the distance in front of the front bumper. Very negligent from Tesla design team have overlooked this specially from proctecting your car hitting the front and safety. All efforts and focus appear to be on FSD which will benefit all of us in the distant future. In the meantime better they address this issue for the current Tesla models.

@lindsaybrown7639 4 ай бұрын

What version of Software is in the Tesla, as then we can see what you are showing as I do not have the Vision or Standard. I have EAP am interested in Version number to see difference. Version on mine is 2024.14.8

@lolfreakwaca4328 3 ай бұрын

you need an AMD chip, you probably are still on intel, right?

@lindsaybrown7639 3 ай бұрын

@@lolfreakwaca4328 So what if it is Intel, I have EAP and Tesla can not provide Vision on Intel??, when they sold EAP on Intel. Does that mean that a Tesla that is HW3 and only 2 1/2 years old is Obsolete.... when Tesla promised us EAP would Park, Summon, etc. Now they want AMD for Tesla Vision!!!!!! EAP is that you are saying.

@lolfreakwaca4328 3 ай бұрын

@@lindsaybrown7639 I mean Tesla vision is not Tied to Enhanced Autopilot , Cars with the Intel Processor still got the New Autopark. Hw3 and the Infotainment Processor are 2 different Things. Right now that new Autopark Feature is Tied to the FSD version in America, but I’m sure it will come to the Other Cars in other countries eventually.

@wayne8113 4 ай бұрын

Thanks Chris

@kpkaus 4 ай бұрын

I wonder it would be good idea to install third party parking sensors?

@chrisvanderstock 4 ай бұрын

Sure that would help. I haven't seen any after market offerings in this space, so perhaps they'll come out when more and more Tesla Vision equipped cars start having more car park incidents.

@hadtobe4502 3 ай бұрын

Probably get a 3 for 1 deal - Aftermarket sunshade, aftermarket USS, aftermarket drivers binnacle. Indicator stalks are not out yet.

@kpkaus 3 ай бұрын

@chrisvanderstock 3rd party parking sensors are available for many, many years.

@renehunt4252 3 ай бұрын

Use back up lines to center your car . omg 😮

@GenuineFlolie 3 ай бұрын

The name of the function is Park ASSIST, by your reasoning every car without Park ASSIST (visual or USS) is inherently dangerous? How did we survive all these years? mind boggling. Your reasoning is just as nonsensical as those lame useless texts on every American side mirror. "Objects in mirrors are closer than they appear." Come on Aussie cut the drama.

@joed.3231 3 ай бұрын

Tesla Vision is still in research mode. Tesla vision will only reach peak learning if the the USS crutch is taken away. A front camera should be added, not USS.

@lenjohnson5343 4 ай бұрын

Hi Chris, i'm sure that the worlds best engineers have examined all the options in a lot more depth. By the way, be careful not to give away your home address, which is visible on the screen.

@ChewableMeteor 4 ай бұрын

Not ideal, but not a big deal.

@AcidGubba 3 ай бұрын

@lindsaybrown7639 3 ай бұрын

The versions of Tesla Vison showing up on You Tube seem to miss one thing, you can see the graphics jump around a lot, as there in no 3D to allow true depth of Vision. That is why no distance is shown on the screen. No 3D cameras to give depth of Field.