Tesla vs. NIO: Battle for the World’s Largest EV Market | WSJ

Gone are the long waits at charging stations: Chinese electric-vehicle startup NIO is pioneering battery-swap systems, challenging Tesla and other rival car makers. Here’s how NIO and Tesla are racing for the world’s largest EV market in China. Photo illustration: Sharon Shi
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[@sungk3962]

For east Asia, battery swap makes more sense due to lack of garages in most homes.

[@arminius6506]

We also have sometime huge rush on petrol stations.

[@teslabullsingapore8656]

My opinion, it is good for consumers, however for each car you sell, you'll have to produce 1.3-1.5 battery and battery is the most expensive part of the car. Not to mention you'll have to have workers maintaining those machines, the cost is hugely added. That's why I personally feel NIO can't go bigly like Tesla's scale, and in the tech industry, the big one eats most of shares, like TSMC, Apple.

[@batuhanyldz2835]

bro it'd be unpractical... imagine 20 people are lined up. a gas station or a supercharger can serve muxh more people

[@arminius6506]

@@batuhanyldz2835 super charger take minimum 30 minutes.

[@batuhanyldz2835]

@@arminius6506 but also it's a lot cheaper to build so it will be everywhere for everyone that needs

[@oluadroit8692]

Another ad vantage of swapping option is the owner has access to the latest battery tech at any time you want.

[@brian.z6592]

That's so true. The NIO owners with 70kW battery can now choose to upgrade to 150kW battery.

[@christophertran2139]

yes and no, to have swap stations you would have to mass produce a surplus of batteries to have on hand. This surplus of batteries will depreciate as newer batteries are created. The amount of work and resources to maintain this pool of batteries to have on hand could be too costly.

[@christophertran2139]

upkeep would be too high

[@markplott4820]

Olu - TESLA back in 2012 discovered Battery Swap DOES NOT WORK.

[@Halvard1992]

@@julianhaddad1431 Link to NIO FSD please.

[@hail_koenig]

Only 3% of Chinese housing are single-family houses. Most people live in condos and apartments, it's extremely scarce for Chinese EV owners to charge at home overnight. Unlike the U.S., this is why NIO pushes battery swapping.

[@mariuswong8449]

though many Chinese lives in apartments, most of them will buy an underground parking spot which means that it’s feasible to install charging gears. I just think that the meaning of this battery-swapping technology is to keep the value of your EV in the long run when using it.

[@johngui8084]

@@mariuswong8449 true, but depending on where you live a parking spot could cost a lot.

[@nirui.o]

And that's why this tech will work compare to the ChargeOverNight solution.

[@EriczZzric]

Labor is also cheaper in china, so its not as expensive to have a worker in the swapping station

[@thomasreese2816]

Chinese drivers also tend to drive much shorter distances, with city driving being very low speed. Electric cars are super efficient for that use case and don't require frequent charging

[@himybell9823]

The best thing about battery swap is your never stuck with a battery that’s at the end of its life cycle

[@lickerishstick]

And you automatically get the latest battery technology as it arrives

[@himybell9823]

I didn’t think of that

[@Matzes]

New Batteries dont regrade alot

[@user-zc2hz3yj2k]

@@VincentKarabouladMusique the Tesla need to last longer before breaking down for that lol

[@himybell9823]

@@Matzes tell that to my electric bike

[@motofan16]

Don’t forget that NIO cars do have access to fast chargers as well.

[@user-xd7qk4dc2h]

just check their website, do not say something that was guessed based on bias

[@yujin8582]

@@user-xd7qk4dc2h ？？？

[@TheDreamBlog]

@@user-xd7qk4dc2h there is a charging option as well

[@user-xd7qk4dc2h]

@@TheDreamBlog yes，and you can upgrade to high range later, even years

[@user-xd7qk4dc2h]

@@yujin8582 just have the research done then you can comment

[@dirtyharis83]

"Tesla vs. Nio" is misleading for present day - maybe it will be accurate in 2030. Today it's "Tesla and Nio vs ICE cars".

[@Liu-pm1np]

BYD is the most popular electric car in China, in 2019 they sell more cars than tesla in China , Nio is nowhere near BYD. I really don't know why western media keep talking Nio.

[@tz7710]

@@Liu-pm1np to inflate the bubble. My grandparent saw the 08 crash 01 dot com japan 1990 bubble he said this is the same. EV bubble many people are going to lose 70% of their wealth for 4-5 years at least and many will sell low.

[@tz7710]

@@Liu-pm1np internet was still the future but companies like Amazon tanked for 5+ years after the crash

[@tz7710]

@@Liu-pm1np for some reason everyone thinks NIO is leading the EV industry. Brainwashed

[@Alex-if3ud]

@@Liu-pm1np NIO is more of a luxury EV like Tesla, most EVs from BYD are lower end models.

[@krishnank228]

Both options are unique on it's own, let us wait for the market to mature and decide the best

[@erch3rejc986]

No, screw China.

[@BookofProverbs]

Yo, please tell me you two have written these exact comments before ...

[@Liu-pm1np]

BYD is the most popular electric car in China, in 2019 they sell more cars than tesla in China , Nio is nowhere near BYD. I really don't know why western media keep talking Nio.

[@crystalball020]

@@erch3rejc986 urmum

[@user-gc1hg9sp9k]

@@Liu-pm1np byd is different market, BYD is focused on utility electric vehicle like truck, taxi, and bus.Tesla and nio are focusing on luxury EV cars

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[@Guy65006]

Lol.

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Nope they invested in these American and Chinese companies know the facts...

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[@renese5938]

Out of the three major advantages for battery swapping, i rank them this way in terms of its value created 1, Range is no longer a fixed (and depreciating) spec of your car. You can always choose to upgrade to the latest battery technology without changing the car 2, it enables Baas model that widens TAM and the subsequent recurring revenue (say a car lasts 15 yrs and Baas breaks even at 6th yr) 3, last one and most people only talk about, get a full recharge in 5 mins

[@williampittman3161]

That 5 minutes is very key!!

[@shnellmybitenshtaag300]

Both options are good and nio has both of the options- swap and charge 🎉

[@karmaalwaysprevail1202]

Nio > Tsla

[@hagoromootsutski9058]

@@karmaalwaysprevail1202 Bold statement, and one that is laughably stupid at this point in time.

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[@jifa17]

Wow, I like Nio's idea a lot. The most depreciated part of an EV is its battery. It's gonna be very very competitive if the battery replace is widely adapted.

[@anandisrocking007]

And then comes the dreaded subscription mode in which you will have to overall pay twice more than the entire lifetime of a battery pack

[@zhe8586]

@@anandisrocking007 then sell your car and get a brand that doesn’t require subscriptions. Or simply choose to buy the battery. People aren’t stupid and the manufacturers know that.

[@monkeypox9683]

@@anandisrocking007 then just don’t change the battery and recharge it like a normal EV. If I’m not mistaken, owners can still just plug the car in and recharge it right?

[@jifa17]

@@anandisrocking007 Haha. It's likely. But that's the trend of how the internet works, right?

[@anandisrocking007]

@@zhe8586 The problem is if one starts doing soon all will as it is a more profitable business model and soon u will run out of good option the same happened for softwares as now all the Adobe softwares and Microsoft softwares are all like that and the enterprise version of windows are also like this the problem with subscription model is that it looks good now but over the lifetime it leeches more than twice the cost of what you would have already paid also as soon as you stop u can't use it u don't have true control of what u are paying for and they can change it whenever they want.

[@iiinfinitefitness]

Nios patented battery swap is in 4 of the 5 recently approved standards in China. And with the battery asset management company Nio recently formed with catl, will supply the nation’s automakers with swappable batteries.

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[@doctorstheory]

With battery swap technology, literally your car is eternally new. innovative idea !

[@aestheticstudio007]

The battery swapping technology is really interesting but i think Tesla dropped it because it is difficult to scale as its much more expensive to setup than a charging station

[@chef_latte]

I honestly think people were not wanting to adopt it back in 2013

[@fangdanfangdan3196]

In china big city like Shanghai Beijing Shenzhen, most people don't have their own parking spots. So super charger only is not a solution to electric car.

[@steliosantoniou]

standardized battery is cheaper for economy of scales. don’t forget that you can also charge the battery.

[@chef_latte]

@@fangdanfangdan3196 yes, very true

[@chef_latte]

@@steliosantoniou agreed

[@NIOTrending]

WSJ-these two are carving out different pieces of the Chinese market. They can easily co-exist.

[@nilemiles7265]

I agree. In my opinion, their consumer base is different. Tesla’s cars are like Corollas to me, while Nio’s cars are like Lexus, BMW, Mercedes. I own a Lexus - I’m a premium vehicle user and I’m not willing to buy a Tesla or a Corolla for that matter. I care about the experience and quality too much. I would in a heartbeat buy a NIO if they were in the US.

[@NIOTrending]

@@nilemiles7265 I'm excited for when NIO does expand to the US! CEO (Mr EQ) William Li Bin talks regularly about being a global brand. First premium brand ever from China=💰💰💰 in my opinion

[@abdelwahabnassim6281]

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[@Liu-pm1np]

BYD is the most popular electric car in China, in 2019 they sell more cars than tesla in China , Nio is nowhere near BYD. I really don't know why western media keep talking Nio.

[@munster951]

@@Liu-pm1np Imao, BYD is not a premium brand, of course they sell more. Besides, they are a traditional manufacturer, if they not offering the same technology that Tesla or Nio provides, they will eventually become a manufacturer or battery provider eventually.

[@kimwucheng6587]

Am amazed to see how Nio has grown in the EV market even competing with Tesla which is one of the leading product in the EV market, owning both stocks and holding out for year's is a good move every investor should make.

[@stevencho7312]

Their stocks prices would keep going up in the coming years so it's a good investment.

[@rachealjones6039]

The battery swap idea is incredible, I like it. Those staying in condors would love the idea more...

[@stacyandrews5468]

I have been thinking of venturing into the stock market for a while now but what's keeping me from it is that I have no educational background in the market.

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@@stacyandrews5468 if you got a good understanding of the market or a guide you definitely make a decent income off the market, get yourself an expert or a broker who knows his way around the market then you would profit from it like I do.

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[@mohammedwitwit9744]

same here lol,, but in future absolutely it will be different !

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@@mohammedwitwit9744 hope so

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Same here 😂

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Both options are unique in there own way... I hope I get one for my next birthday

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Thought become things. If you can see it in your mind, you can hold it in your hand

[@scarletalicia5927]

There are both not cheap... I hope you can afford what it takes

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It mustn't be gotten with her own money.

[@johnharry1696]

Tesla is great

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@@scarletalicia5927 I'm pretty sure I know there worth and I wouldn't have any problem with that.. I make $25,700 every 7 day

[@yadisfhaddad722]

This goes back to a cultural thing. Americans are more individual-centered, so buying a car needs your own battery. Chinese are more flexible towards owning something, yet having part of it being public. The battery sharing model might be very good in offseting the depreciation in value of the battery pack, by which you would have to exchange your whole Tesla. Both interesting prospects indeed.

[@alexholiday441]

Yup markets evolve for different needs not exactly a 1:1 comparison between American and Chinese markets will be interesting to see how both adapt to ev's

[@Ray-no9sj]

@Mellio Kuang and also because the Chinese know how dangerous global warming is, they experience it first hand, and thus want to help reduce their own impact.

[@weizhang2834]

People outside of China have no idea how good China car services is, not only NIO , back to 2010, most of car companies already have another level compared with The west today . In China, car services, insurance companies do everything for you , and always show up within 30mins even 4am in the early morning. They drive a car to you and send car back once repaired, you don’t have to do anything.

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[@ecognitio9605]

What??? Can you explain what you just said?

[@a.bmin-ki3946]

Atleast nio has started lets see what comes next but more you save time....the more people get benefited

[@anandisrocking007]

And then comes the dreaded subscription mode in which you will have to overall pay twice more than the entire lifetime of a battery pack

[@anakinlink5319]

@@anandisrocking007 But time is money.

[@yangdave611]

If battery can be swapped, the car value will remain relatively the same. It is good for the consumer and environment

[@SoumyaSahakgp]

And you can upgrade to newer battery

[@somguynamedpaul]

But bad for business, hence American automakers and politicians will never endorse it

[@yangdave611]

@@somguynamedpaul not really, battery pack is recycled for other device. Business charge consumer for a premium.

[@SoumyaSahakgp]

@@somguynamedpaul Charging your car for hours standing in queue in populated China might not sustain in the long run. Thus NIO will eventually create more buyers.

[@grantyale]

Mental accounting...

[@MrVnk811]

I owned both stocks.. Let's go!

[@NidhishAbraham]

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[@leonidas759]

This is insane. What NIO is doing is really impressive. This can work amazingly in Asia. But I still believe NIO cars are very expensive. Even Tesla has cheaper options!

[@ramsundar3232]

All innovations towards green energy should be encouraged!

[@rednorthman]

I had this same idea with changing the battery’s years ago I always thought why are they charging when they can just pop one out put one in

[@MrPizzaman09]

That was very informative about Nio. I didn't know much about them before.

[@gmcwww]

Yesterday night I've dreamed of this idea, now I'm watching and have a hard time to believe....:))

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Let's see what the experts have to said in the comments..🤔

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[@excitingmarmot2820]

Wow this is good idea...wait the minute..so how much we hv to pay for swapping the battery we could just charge?

[@SabbirImon]

fantastic idea ! well-done NIO

[@choegyal100]

There is 350 million Chinese middle class coming up in next 5 to 10 years, surely they will make NIO greater in EV market in China.

[@Emmanuel-ne3oi]

How do you know the integrity of the battery you swapped into? Seems like high cost to maintain the batteries and the swapping stations. Will this be passed onto the consumer?

[@Cars-N-Jets]

I agree with you. It really does seem like it could be like that but we could be wrong. But either way I agree with you.

[@jadenqiu4376]

@@Cars-N-Jets For the integrity concern, you can swap to another battery anytime time you want, next day,next week, so this wouldnt be a problem。 The cost of running such big network and always have extra batteries could be a big burden on company operation.

[@MagicMike_101]

Is possible to combine both of the technologies? swap or charging batteries?

[@yeyuan6273]

Tesla is already an central governing enterprises of “you know what “ , theoretically speaking, they are colleague.

[@silversurfer8237]

The China EV market will be the most exciting one for decades to come. It is thrilling to watch NIO & TESLA compete & grow. It also demonstrates the PRC government supports open markets when innovation and creativity occur for the good of society. Please keep making videos like this every 6 months so that everyone can be entertained.

[@MarkMphonoman]

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[@georgejesson1944]

The nio is more luxurious and battery degradation is not an issue.

[@xhafts]

Cus its more expensive idiot

[@georgejesson1944]

@@xhafts The NIO is cheaper in cost, you jack hoff. www.financialexpress.com/auto/gallery/nio-es8-suv-meet-teslas-chinese-rival-with-500-kms-range-at-half-the-cost/photos/981482/2/

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*Just like any other US Media WSJ is trying to tilt the playing field for Tesla 🔴: it would not mention Nio is effectively banned in the US for the US government to tilt the playing field for Tesla and (spreads careless mistakes like) NIO's Battery Swapping stations take 3 minutes to swap not 5 minutes*

[@maxiodanish3196]

Combine with swap option and EV charging, that would be awesome.

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CATL made battery with life cycle of over 1,2 million kilometers is perfectly suited for NIO strategy.

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The EP9 is a monster on the track

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Nice ! 2021 is definitely NIO's year and a good contender for Tesla by the end of 2021

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NiO is FRADULANT and not as safe as Model 3.

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[@SL-xj3ow]

Saw that in Shanghai, NIO provide free battery swap for life, also you can add different gauges to your car at any time, like a LEGO toy car

[@bowlampar]

5 mins to a fully charged battery, instead of wait for hour to full charged your EV. Take your pick, don't hurry!

[@richgenix]

I’m buying NIO stocks! Well see in a year how much they will be ;)

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[@rustamirgashev8858]

What happens to that battery if it gets damaged?

[@jackshen5093]

Battery swapping is not meant to replace charging. One of the biggest advantages is that you can choose the capacity of the battery based on your needs. E.g. for my daily commute I can use a smaller battery, therefore reducing the weight of the vehicle and being more energy efficient, and replace it with a bigger battery if I go on a road trip

[@yumyumgimmesum]

EVs have 2 main battery issues that conflict with one another. People want faster charging times. But the faster a battery charges, the shorter the lifespan of the battery. Battery swapping solves both these problems.

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[@Batman2StaticShock]

Correct

[@robbenvanpersie1562]

Agree

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

It's really not charge rate that causes degradation it's heat caused by a faster charge rate. If you can make a cooling system to manage the heat and keep the battery in its optimal range you can avoid most degradation

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[@h2lo704]

This reminded me of the Macross universe where vehicles got energy module that could be swapped out.

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I’m definitely getting the Tesla model S

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[@obsidianstatue]

Battery swapping is a necessity for China, because most Urban Chinese lives in Apartments their building might not have the space for personal charging station. or the infrastructure might be too old. Necessity is the mother of inventions. Battery swap is the future, imagine a smart city filled with Internet of Things where everything is connected. Connecting cars with everything else. roadside cameras can communicate with autonomous cars helping it to plan the least congested route. Battery swap stations can also act as mini power storage stations, recharging during off peak periods and, releasing some stored electricity during peak usage hours. China in the future will be the center for this sort of innovation, Huawei is already moving into the Vehicle to everything operating system, Their HiCar system for smart EVs is like Android for Smartphones. Zoomed out, this type of smart IoT can be extended to entire cities, where the a Smart City can efficiently manage traffic, electricity generation and services.

[@kirkwcowgill]

I live in a Shanghai apartment complex. There are tons of personal charging hookups. Tesla did our first one for free. It hooked into the wall right behind our underground parking spot.

[@obsidianstatue]

@Andres Leon degrading battery is one of the biggest obstacle to EVs retaining their value.

[@underhorse5367]

@Andres Leon almost every apartments that were build in last 15-20 years in China has an underground parking lot and a private spot for owners

[@underhorse5367]

@Andres Leon most pre2000 buildings are owned by older generation, they got the apartment before 1980s when government assigned apartments to workers. And I highly doubt those people are gonna purchase an eclectic vehicle. Most nio owners choose swapping batteries probably because there just ain’t many nio charging stations around the city. But Tesla on the other hand has way more users than nio in China so charging station is more common.

[@underhorse5367]

@Andres Leon Tesla owners are far more than nio owners. Most of them installed private charging station that sure means most owners have private parking spot. Most people live in apartment complex with private parking spot. And any buildings post-2000s have parking lot so the numbers of people can have a charging station is still raising. Even though battery swapping is a good idea, but for companies building some charging station is just easier to maintain

[@bramantyopamungkas2368]

Why I didn't know this company in March 2020 hmm the stock price was 1.54$ that time.

[@marcleslac2413]

I remember hammonds scream with the ep9

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This is great! I’m smiling so hard! This is perfect set up before NIO Day!

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[@vishnusahani2822]

China is not India where American tech companies can roam and grab market share.

[@bestintentions6089]

But a country that where they can steal anyone’s technology

[@doomslayer4276]

@@bestintentions6089 even though they steel china market alone is bigger than eu and us for Tesla sales

[@Bekssss]

@@doomslayer4276 because we know american people poor and in debt

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@@Bekssss lol gdp per capita .china is still under developed with 13k per capita GDP.poor than eu

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[@MrBOURGAN]

Nice report

[@ZoeCuiM]

For the Nio owners, the good thing is they don't need to choose between charging and swapping. they will always have both and the latest battery technology.

[@eco-friendly6496]

Do you think it is good choice to invest in NIO at currrnt price?

[@geraldboo5228]

Yes! Nio is promising growth stock!

[@lukevo6485]

yes, Nio is still a young company

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Nio and Tesla are both innovator's at their fields

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[@libb3n]

Tesla yes, Nio no.

[@MouseSPAL]

Thanks for the video. I wasn't sure what NIO's edge was, and it was hard to understand just from articles how a driver could buy an EV without the battery.

[@roart5032]

Lease the battery

[@4R53Hole]

They have holes in the floor so you can run like the Flinstones.

[@yashaspradeep7073]

i think for us and canada market nio will have to make a plug in version or they will just have to create another battery swap network in the US

[@editorjohn8803]

Love NIO! Never bought a Tesla here in Canada all these years because of their quality and service issues, along with their dated design, but I'm excited about NIO selling in Europe this year, and hopefully NIO will sell in Canada soon. We need more choices if we're to switch to EVs. Canada's government needs to work harder to catch up with this trend

[@IpSyCo]

Canada? You mean America Jr.?

[@taddmaxwell8363]

I'm moving to Alberta Canada, where you at?

[@IpSyCo]

@@taddmaxwell8363 Probably B.C.

[@editorjohn8803]

@@IpSyCo Vancouver, BC, in Canada, of course

[@editorjohn8803]

@@taddmaxwell8363 Vancouver. Here, the government is making it easy to convert apartments to allow for EV charging, but seriously, without allowing people to import EV cars unless they are 15 years old or older (Transport Canada's insane regulation), what do we have? Tesla? Not for me. NIO all the way!

[@cck78]

Swap vehicle's battery is much more advantage than supercharger stations.

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[@coryz.872]

Meh, I charge at home for standard driving. On roadtrips, I drive for 2hr then charge and stretch my legs for 15min. Nio's only real advantage is task specific battery sizes reducing the upfront consumer cost.

[@oliverqueen5095]

There is need of standardisation ,especially in charging mechanisms and battery

[@GaviLazan]

Anyone remember Better Place's attempt at the battery swapping EV model? That didn't go too well.

[@tankcreations6137]

I think battery swapping is pretty beneficial for the customer. You always can upgrade to the newest battery pack size. Tesla on the other hand you have to buy a brand new car.

[@QH96]

The main issue is that it's extremely expensive to scale battery swap stations when compared to chargers

[@harsimranbansal5355]

You really can’t do that. Where will all the old batteries go? They still have over 95% of their life left so are you just gonna throw it out. Thats like throwing out your phone in a few months just because the new one is better!

[@anandisrocking007]

And then comes the dreaded subscription mode in which you will have to overall pay twice more than the entire lifetime of a battery pack

[@cerebrumexcrement]

i agree, but they need more miles. 260 is too low.

[@wilfordthe4th422]

Isnt the battery switch probably insanely expensive and terrible for the enviornment?

[@leonidas759]

Why? The empty batteries get charged and put in another empty battery NIO car. The benefit is that car owners avoid waiting for the battery to be charged.

[@danabaxia]

leave the half dead battery to the factory who make them to be taken care of will help environment a little bit more right?

[@mikeclon]

think about how many pre-charged battery packs they need per swap-station during rush hours when running at 100 car/ hour capacity. They need to built a giant tower to charge those batteries packs.

[@kirkwcowgill]

My Shanghai apartment complex is roughly 10:1 Tesla to Nio in the parking garage.

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[@saynothingass]

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[@kaleb8082]

I had the pleasure of going to a NIO show room in Chengdu last year. And I immediately asked the manager if they imported to the US. Haha. The cars are great. Good quality, nice aesthetics, very spacious, and they look and feel really cool, both inside and out. I think Tesla will soon drop out of favor in China for NIO. And if NIO expands globally, I think Tesla will have its first true competitor. I would certainly choose a NIO over a Tesla.

[@user-RCST]

I choose the Tesla over a Nio.

[@billbandoh5818]

Wait if you can buy it without a battery... how do you drive it off the lot ??

[@nyankanakitty]

Are those single use stations practical? If there is only one car in line, that's great, but what if you have a line of cars waiting to be swapped? And will they have enough charged battery for every car? Picture that, 5 min each car, which means time will add up and people would have already charged up their vehicle at a charging station.

[@sabielkhan345]

I think Tesla battery swap was a brilliant idea from Elon Musk. But like every genius out there the concept was too far ahead for people to understand. EV’s were new at the time and people didn’t fully understand the hassle of charging a battery or battery life. Not saying that charging is a hassle now but having a swap station option would have been great. It was simple to far ahead of us to understand. I bet If they were to bring back the swap station it would be the next best thing to happen for Tesla owners.

[@4R53Hole]

Swapping batteries is not a new idea, certainly not too far ahead to be beyond understanding, people have been replacing batteries in all sorts of electronics - even kids do it with toys, when smartphones started making it more difficult it annoyed people.

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[@elhistoriero1227]

Well this seems like a great idea right now, but won't new solid state battery development render It obsolete?

[@davesy6969]

This seems like the way to go to me.

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[@fireballyang7310]

One of the major problems of electric vehicles is the devaluation, the devaluation process of ev is more than twice faster than gas pwered vehicles. The main reason is Battery pack's lifecycle is only 7 years and gets outdated by new battery tech in every 3 years. NIOs solution might be a better approach

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[@miguellopez3392]

Model 3 is depreciating very slowly in the US way below average, it's the most popular EV, battery can last 300,000 miles before hitting 80% original capacity. It also gets updates that make it perform better and add functionality after the car was sold. Batteries dont get outdated every 3 years, it takes 10 year to improve them by double.

[@tl1960]

@@miguellopez3392 the deprecation rate is exponential. Imagine in 5 years the latest battery can be have 900 mile range while being fully charged in 10 mins, how much will the current model 3 worth by then? By having swappable battery you can always enjoy the latest battery technology.

[@miguellopez3392]

@@tl1960 that's assuming the cars entire price is based on its battery, that's only 30 percent of the cost of the car and that batteries will be that good in 5 years, it will likely take 10 years, then those batteries can be installed in the old tesla.

[@tl1960]

@@miguellopez3392 do you even know what you are talking about. The value of an EV is highly depended on its battery technology. It might not be 900 miles range by 2025 but battery technology is evolving fast and the non-swappable batteries in current EVs(not just Tesla’s) will be obsolete and their car value will depreciate like crazy. Just go check how much 2014 Tesla’s are worth today.

[@HunterTravels]

I partially invested but didn't know there cars where in production but wow after seeing this vid its a nice vehicle.

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I already have 930shares of nio stock and 2shares of TSLA, I have 4k to invest which stock should I buy more?

[@ReynaSingh]

People have a bias for Tesla thanks to Elon. But other companies are making electric cars that are just as good and cheaper

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[@NassimSYD]

No

[@MrSandChess]

@@NassimSYD explain why not

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

@@MrSandChess Well for a battery swap you need double the batteries that are currently on the road if you want to do swapping. Making enough batteries is already an issue. Not to mention the battery density and cost of Teslas batteries are lower. So for your money you'll be getting more range with a tesla.

[@MrSandChess]

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[@safeTmeeting]

i want battery swapping for phones.like a clip in a gun. first one's empty. boom switch it out.

[@wilsonlee558]

How can I buy Nio in Japan?

[@DenisHavlikVienna]

except that it's not. As of November, Volkswagen new SOL brand was already outselling NIO in China. And that's without any ID.4...