Tesla Wall Connector Gen 2 vs Gen 3 - Should you upgrade?

[@intercity125]

The installation manual explains it - cable tie is for securing conductors to the little loop in the left of the backplate.

[@artisanelectrics]

Genius!

[@artisanelectrics]

Hi guys, some of the information in this video was slightly incorrect. There is actually slight functionality within the Telsa app and you can also specify times at which the car is allowed to charge. The current Gen 3 price is now also £425 on the Tesla website, Jordan paid £460 when he previously brought one. Hope this clears up any incorrect information. Cheers team Artisan!

[@mondotv4216]

You can specify times to charge in the app regardless of the charger? What functionality is there in the app?

[@michaelholliday100]

The Wire Tie goes on the wall place to secure the 3 wires. There is a small slot in which it fits in the wall plate. It is discussed in the installation manual... We can charge at 48 Amps single-phase because of the way in which we get out power. In the UK single-phase 220 volts is 1 hot + 1 Neutral. In the US 120 volts is achieved with 1 hot + 1 neutral, but the Tesla Wall Connector is 240 volts which we accomplish 2 hots + 0 neutrals.

[@matthewlizzio7431]

The caple tie or zip tie is used to hold the electrical wires in place. It makes the wires look much more organized.

[@justme5384]

Yep, in this case the neutral and L3 (and the unused earth)

[@tcpnetworks]

I would have mounted a box on the wall below the charger - feed the cable and the earth into that - then feed a single cable into the bottom of the EVSE. This way you'll have a nice point to interconnect in the future. You'll maintain the integrity of the unit and you'll ensure the future upgradability of the system. We've been putting in KEBA systems with RFID security - they look like an appliance compared to this unit...

[@justme5384]

Installed a Gen 3 last saturday, was my fourth tesla charger and third gen 3. Like the backplate and ease of connectivity. We only install them on three phase here. 5*2,5 and with 16A breakers. We mostly have 3*25A main fuses here

[@cavendishelectricals]

I am really glad that you have added the two best chargers on the market (Hypervolt and Zappi).

[@TheYuvaan]

It now appears in the tesla app, just got one installed last week 😀

[@electrician247]

Nice to see you back out on the tools. Great video!

[@TheMartyMarf]

I was in the Tesla service centre today and the sales guy was promoting the charger when showing cars off, without mentioning PEN fault at all

[@SirDragonClaw]

The Wifi connection on the 3rd gen one is a game changer. It opens up unlimited possibilities for home automation and info tracking.

[@cavramau]

When? How?

[@grssailing]

It should be noted that it is illegal to sell the Gen 3 wall charger in the UK as it does not comply with the 2021 Smart Charger legislation.

[@doublehaven]

Not yet though, (2) The requirements in Schedule 1 to these Regulations do not need to be complied with in respect of a relevant charge point which is sold before 30th December 2022. As it's OTA upgreadeable I would be surprised if it couldn't be made Smart. The Tesla cars are compatible with Octopus Intelligent which does exactly what the Regulations prescribe.

[@henryeadie7972]

It's easier to insert a ground rod in the bottom if you use lube 👍

[@derrickconway4883]

This was a very well planned video very nicely executed very informative hard to rate two items that were very well placed by the same electrician but I’m going with the gen3 charger

[@_Miner]

That was a shame Tesla didnt think about the screw holes and mounting and trying to keep some standard going so that customers walls dont end up like swiss cheese (kinda like jordans wall 😆)

[@mos8541]

typical tesla heavy on the flash short on details

[@edwyncorteen1527]

Why on earth are you not installing a three phase Zappi to use the solar being installed? PEN fault included!

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@ariip]

We have 3 phase here in the USA just only mostly in commercial locations. There is even 2 phase in rare instances in some old installations such as in philadelphia, PA. I dealt with one customer in Philadelphia in a commercial store which had 2 phase. YES, THIS IS TRUE 2 PHASE AND NOT SINGLE PHASE WITH 2 LEGS.

[@ksmith660]

The main benefit is if it fails (like water gets into the cable, connector or push switch) then then V3 will be easier to swap with a replacement! Thinner cable is nice too. I have heard that with the latest Tesla app you can now see the charger in the app...

[@ariip]

It is thinner because it can not handle as much amperage. Get the cybertruck or something else that can charge at more than 48a, then you are stuck with 48a. Foolish for future capability I think. Otherwise 3 only gives you wireless sharing (gen 2 still gives wired sharing communication) and 3 gives wifi which really is not that necessary nor is sharing unless you are stuck doing so or need multiple chargers which homeowners probably won't need. I have no need for wifi. For what? I can control charge from car app. I plug in and charge. I will put in more than one that is separate. Gen 2 can still share with wired communication which you can run because you are running power anyway so what difference does it make.

[@cavramau]

Version numbers please.

[@ariip]

It is thinner because it can not handle as much amperage. Get the cybertruck or something else that can charge at more than 48a, then you are stuck with 48a. Gen 2 can charge up to 80a on a 100a breaker. Foolish for future capability I think. Otherwise 3 only gives you wireless sharing (gen 2 still gives wired sharing communication) and 3 gives wifi which really is not that necessary nor is sharing unless you are stuck doing so or need multiple chargers which homeowners probably won't need. I have no need for wifi. For what? I can control charge from car app. I plug in and charge. I will put in more than one that is separate. Gen 2 can still share with wired communication which you can run because you are running power anyway so what difference does it make. Gen 3 has glass front which is more fragile and people have had issues of cracking. I am an electrician and have installed chargers. No issues with space to work with in gen2. I actually have big hands but I guess some people have issues. I have 3 gen 2s myself and love the fact people are foolish enough to give up the gen2 and get 3s, because I just make out. I have built stands for chargers in remote locations for me and a client who loved mine and these open stands have roofs, lighting, a wall outlet etc and mine also has cameras on it. I do a bit more than just slapping on a wall.

[@ariip]

The cable tie depending on where your power wires come in is used to secure your power wires and hold them. If I recall, there is a loop/hole halfway up on the right to secure your cable to as it passes around in the unit. Take a better look. Now I am worried about your attention to detail.

[@Aepek]

I think the Hypervolt is the best looking EV charger, and install is pretty “easy” as well, and imo, looks better on wall w/ cable compared to Tesla and others… Of course, if I had a Tesla charger, I’d spend the extra and get the separate accessory holder for the charger cable head. Install next to wall unit and plug into that to hold while not in use; as looks better than in main unit itself, imo. Thx and c ya L8R ✌🏻

[@valienterf]

trick with get 3 is for paring to wifi first time is to temp.. disable wpk3 for the first join, the after it connect you can activated it. On the wifi apoint or router.

[@ariip]

Electricians need to check and verify what others are doing. That is why there are lockout padlock holders for panels at least for in the usa that allow multiple padlocks to be put on from different electricians so they can all simultaneously have control of the breaker panel without any one alone having control. There are also lock handles for breakers.

[@isthisnickvalid]

Hi, It is annoying when I have friends visiting with a Leaf , ID4, etc. that they cannot use my wall connector gen 2. It's the European version, so physically it fits! But it doesn't charge. What's the best way of changing other cars with gen2? An adapter? A firmware update?

[@ashreid20]

you could do a tools for sparks on that linus tech tips screwdriver. would be a good click magnet im sure

[@artisanelectrics]

Great idea!

[@eliotmansfield]

As long as you don’t want a warranty 😅

[@black.phoenix.]

@@eliotmansfield Doesn't it have a "Trust me bro" warranty?

[@williamdawson6351]

upgrading devices is not always the best thing to do sure you get new features but do you need them if they make no difference.

[@DimitriLanderloos]

Have you thought about asking Linus Tech Tips for one of their screwdrivers to test out? I would love the thoughts of someone using it on the regular. Or you could perhaps purchase one if they dont want to give you one, it is 70 dollars though.

[@Whotty]

I came to comment the same thing 😅

[@davemyers77]

Reduce, reuse, recycle... then later, this has no advantages over the gen2 unless you just want the latest thing. Tesla fans are a licence to print money it seems.

[@alimack5489]

Just like apple it seems!

[@Dragon-Slay3r]

@@alimack5489 🤣

[@robertsteich7362]

American here, can you explain the readings at 4:18. L1 to N was 227.8 (I get that). L1 to E was 145.9 and N to E was 148.3. Those two readings doesn’t jive with the first. And to each other. I can assume that the difference between each other is because the charge point has its own Earth rod separated from the main panel Earth rod. TBH, I don’t think that’s legal in the US, unless the rods are bonded to each other, even if they are on opposite ends of the house.

[@AndrewLumsden]

If a door bell goes off when you are filming can you either edit it out or put a note on screen before it goes off. I just paused the video and found no-one at my door!! 😖🤣

[@eliotpalfreman1232]

I'm not an electrician, but I think I would add another box like a wisker box under it, take the earth rod and connect that to the charger side and then connect the wire side at the consumer unit earth. So there is just a black box near ground level where they swap.

[@Dragon-Slay3r]

🙀

[@ariip]

Don't use earth rods in the USA? We have a grounded system and I thought you guys do not??? (at least in the outlets, don't yours have only 2 pins for power and that is it?) We just don't need a ground rod for a remote charger because we ground back to the panel. But actually sub panels in sheds usually have a ground rod.

[@Chris_In_Texas]

21:20 You can integrate the Gen3 it into Home Assistant and get all the stats out of it as well. So that really helps with home automation. For example when the car gets connected you can setup automations to turn on lights, turn on your kettle and turn on the TV or radio for example. Then in the morning you can turn off all the stuff in the house when you disconnect the car. All sorts of cool things, like color changing lights based on the amount of current its using to charge... Also you can limit what cars can charge from it as well and lock out other cars from using it. The later is setup in the web interface of the unit. Keep up the good work. Also just an FYI there are a number of newer cars in the market here in the USA that are now using 19.2KW on single phase, Porsche, Ford just to name a few. The Ford can also back-feed into the house to power it from the trucks battery pack via its EVSE. Instead of the small 13.5kWh powerwall you have the full battery capacity from the truck.

[@jobce1]

where can I find how to integrate the Gen3 it into Home Assistant and get all the stats out ?

[@lemongavine]

Full battery backup capacity for the house, yes, but only when the truck is home. Inevitably, the truck will need to be driven. I’d rather have a permanent solution like Powerwall.

[@cavramau]

What is Home Assistant?

[@robintodd3901]

I would say your explanation isn’t quite accurate. I’d say the TT earth or Pem device is for the event if ever the supply authorities neutral fails on a TNC-S system there for making earth live. TN-S and the earth spike isn’t really required.

[@judebrown4103]

"how do you say it without it being rude?!" Ah bless you Jordan you're such a sweetie. 🤗😆🤣

[@xoukilong]

I have the glossy black gen 2 and elon signature. Linked with a communication cable to load share. I want the thinner cable gen3 but fear of them not communicating with each other and overload my breaker. Does anyone know how stable it is with the wireless connection to eachother?

[@jonathanwood9731]

Hi Jordan liking the videos just wondered what you think to the Fluke tester compared with the Megger tester especially for car charger tests? Cheers

[@artisanelectrics]

Megger is better all round I think!

[@Dragon-Slay3r]

Thats the bat thick comb. There are double combs there. One dark and one light on the circle which is supposed to be the roof but it's not the roof it's a cover for the cream wall which is painted over with magnolia aka wolf of wall st

[@buixote]

Funny story about Bahco... bought one of their "pneumatic pruners"... Swedish Company, tool says "made in Italy", and the fitting was a *british thread* (which the retailer mis-identified as "National Pipe Thread" (NPT)). The British-to-NPT adaptor was *not cheap*. :-(

[@rickmorenojr]

I thought Gen 3 power sharing was over WiFi, while Gen 2 required an ethernet cable runs between each wall connector. Gen 2 and Gen 3 cannot share power with each other.

[@Fuxy22]

WTF? Why would you every replace a perfectly working charging station? Some people...

[@Ilikeeminleggings]

In north america there is no such thing as a pen fault. The electrics are completely different here and the ground wire going to the board is good enough. Also there are no 3 phase home chargers here and all chargers must have the proper rcd protection built in by law

[@user-bf1eo1xv3q]

@artisanelectrics I am thinking of getting the gen3 wall connector. Is the Wi-Fi connectivity problem only during the commissioning phase or at other times too eg power tripping and the router restarting etc.

[@rKNotty09]

FYI, you can now add it into your TeslaApp, still doesn't do alot though...

[@jasonbrown476]

If you can't take the earth wire in the bottom, just stick it in the drain hole.

[@maruda80]

Hi, is it possible / doable to make charging cable shorter ? No need for 7.2 m in my house. All I need is 2.3 meters. It would look better. Just wondering if that would be an issue in any way like for example heat dissipation or other issues . Anyone ? Thank you

[@Keeping-It-Real-55]

From you video @22:16 you have both chargers. Are they the same size? your holding the gen 2 closer to the camera so its hard to determine what the size difference is.

[@anssileinonen3522]

Not sure about the pins connecting the charger's base to the cover. Sure they are designed to sit tight when new and the cover doesn't come off maybe never after it's installed but don't think it's the safest way to connect higher power.

[@Tmsaga112]

Have you heard about the Easee charge ? im a electrican in norway and we install mostly this ! i like it becuse it has the back plate to it and its just a snap in charger inside to the back plate. also wifi connected with app ofc

[@bradbike]

Everyone should have an affable and cuddly electrician. No more grumpies.

[@risaldpeqini3373]

Hi guys..smoll question i have the Tesla g3 but i don't have WiFi signal in a garage place..if i do like you to connect with in home WiFi a plag...after it works on garage without WiFi

[@Narinjas]

Would you be willing to try the LTT ratcheting Screwdriver for the device bits? (And give us a Field review?)

[@artisanelectrics]

Of course!

[@saberianamir]

Cable tie is for holding the cables back!

[@guy7622]

Do both charge Teslas and non-Teslas?

[@zinc23man]

Hi what would you choose between the Tesla Gen 3 & Zappi?

[@Sculptoroid]

Does the customer pay extra for the extra installation time because you came unprepared - without knowing how to run the PE wire - or is there a fixed charge for charger installation?

[@ariip]

Is that actually a/the power supply cable that I see that is black to the right just a soft cable exposed mounted down the exterior wall like that allowed? That is crazy. Not even required in conduit? I might have thought that was rg-6 but it looks too big for that. We use uf which can be on the outside here, but that is still sloppy and subject to easy physical damage.

[@michaelwood7021]

It’s armoured cable

[@darioampuy]

What features should the gen4 wall connector should have? I'm thinking lan connector and a cable rewinder

[@TWOKDOK1]

The cable tie is probably to secure that ‘spare’ earth cable you left hanging loose inside 😂

[@axelc8611]

You can access the gen 3 charge in the app now

[@Birdfeeder795]

How? Can you see it in the app? Because I can’t find it.

[@axelc8611]

@@Birdfeeder795 yeah it’s in the app click your profile picture then add/ remove products should then give you the wall connector option

[@MrButuz]

Summarising the vid: Customer enjoys wasting money - Artisan said no problem happy to help lol. Good vid I am fancying a Gen2 / Gen 3 to go with my ye olde Model S but really in terms of this charger verses the entire worlds worth of competition is is pretty lacklustre when you compare it with something like a Hypervolt. I dunno I am still on the fence. Mind you my parents paid a fair bit more for their Hypervolt than the 460 odd bucks this is. Hmm. Also one serious Q - why fit an earth rod verses the pen device as I was always under the assumption that a few metres of earth rod is inferior to the kilometres of cable and substations of the main grid?

[@EdijsUmanecs]

Hi, will Tesla wall connector Gen3 charge from 2 phase, if i will have 4 wire connection 1L, 2L, N and PE wiers using 25A, 220V from each phase L1 and L2 that will geive 11Kw of charge. And not conecting L3 to Tesla wall box? Or wall box will give some error and will not charge from 2 phase system in Europe?

[@EdijsUmanecs]

Hi, I have managed to connect only L1 and L2 phases, leaving L3 not connected. The wall box is charging my Tesla model 3, but I get a maximum of 7 Kw charge only, Tesla Wall Connector defaults to 16A charge per each phase.

[@bryantfarmer9356]

Can a 2021 Tesla model 3 work on a gen 3 charger?

[@DavidSmith-zg7wk]

Good job that you didn’t use Linian clips on the SWA. You would never get them out! 😱😂

[@laurie7251]

The bricks are lbc antique rustics I think

[@ariip]

Gen 2s online get more money than gen3 because they are in demand and not available new.

[@kevan63]

Hi Guys I have Tesla 3 gen wall charger, I have Matte single phase pen fault, yesterday I pressed the T which made the switch go down, when I try to push the switch up to reset it won’t stay up, do you need to do anything or is the pen fault faulty? Thanks Kevan

[@jimmyjamesred]

Another benefit of Gen 3 is it will charge other brands of EVs. Most gen 2 are Tesla only.

[@darrenpidgen6207]

Is the gen 3 smart regs compliant ?

[@HenryOCarmichaelSmith]

Couldn't you have used the earth cable in the supply cable for the earth from the rod? Obviously it'd mean running it all the way from the rod to the supply location but you wouldn't have needed to butcher the bottom of the charger

[@tommymack3210]

Butcher? Simply expanded an existing hole

[@fujivato]

I had an ID.3 for a while and never wanted to be a Tesla owner 🤣

[@PhilipWillsWorld]

Crispy Electrician.

[@atkt62]

Doesn't hold up against the zappi and hypervolt

[@_Miner]

mmmmmm crispy electrician with a little gravy 😋

[@artisanelectrics]

Yummy 😂

[@eliotmansfield]

Cable tie goes round your wallet…

[@williammartinculleton5875]

Massive Massive Enormous Enormous Fantastic upgrade 👏👏👏

[@titaniumblood408]

Y'all see that right hand drive Tesla?

[@elminster8149]

Aesthetically, I would have a hyper-volt.

[@jackgrant852]

Does anyone know what his extension bar is called for the impact?

[@2lakers3peat4]

We do use ground rods in “America”

[@QuentinStephens]

Rather than 'brain fog' think 'middle aged moment' :) Serious question, though: why did you not connect the house earth wire to the earthing rod? (You can tell that I'm not an electrician!) And, for the more security conscious, does the Gen 3 box have a wired ethernet port?

[@mos8541]

is it worth it? , jesus wgf?.. tesla this that, cant seem to get screw holes right.. what u gonna do about it lil elon?

[@omarmaalem4426]

IAM an electrical engeneer and l'm looking for work Can i work with you ?

[@artisanelectrics]

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[@sajulldin5147]

Comment below....how many comment below reference are in this video.....

[@rjb5667]

That facial hair is a huge flop

[@alanr585]

The background noise/music/stuff on your videos is just irritating. Because I'm old I suppose.

[@Tools4Sparks]

Boom 💥

[@scottsparky1]

id rather have an id3 than a tesla, at least it would of been put together propperly

[@vec306]

You know your explanation of the earth ground doesn’t make sense. The Tesla car has rubber tires and is insulated from the earth and won’t have the same potential.

[@markharmon4963]

The insulation is exactly why the grounding is useful. In the case of an energized chassis (from a short within the car, or from an external source) the grounding provides a ready path for the charge to go to ground as opposed to going through a person.

[@Mmmjustme]

Don’t the new charge points include PEN fault built in now? Thought I read it somewhere 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Mmmjustme]

Never installed these by the way. In case those eagle eyed thought I should already know.