Tesla Won't Fix This Cursed Highway Stretch in Norway

[@superfly2nd]

At 9:44 it makes sense, it takes the route guidance in consideration when choosing the speed. The navigation wants you to take the exit so it slows down for you to take the exit. I’ve noticed this many times before when I ignored the route guidance. It does not explain the other moments, but I’m guessing the E6 was different a few years ago so maybe it’s still braking for thinks like roundabouts that were there a few years ago.

[@hakonolavdahle]

Confirmed! And there are several points on the stretch between Hamar and Moelv. Scares the shit out of everyone!

[@Longsnowsm]

My phantom braking has gotten worse since this latest emergency braking software update. I thought it was a autosteer issue, but I changed to TACC and the same thing happens. Just like you just pointed out it shows the correct speed limit, but it still puts on the brakes. I have to keep my foot in it. It used to be a one or two times during this one stretch of road, but now it hammers the brakes at least 4 times now. I have now reached the point I don't feel it is safe to use AP or TACC on that main stretch of road. It does not know how to handle 2 land rural roads at all. So I am ready to give up using it. In the US the Tesla does not read the speed limit signs, it appears that it is mapped and not based on vision in the US. I can show a segment of road where it goes past speed limit signs and no acknowledgement the speed limit changed. It will go several miles down the road before it will eventually change the speed limit it shows on the display. Tesla does not adjust the speed in the US when the speed limit changes. Either that or my car has a problem. I would have expected AP to adjust the speed when it sees the speed limit changed. One of the most irritating things about this issue is that I had seen the reports before I bought my car and most of the people in the forums were saying it wasn't an issue and that it was just haters. I am here to say I am not a hater, but since I have owned the Tesla this has been very much a problem and it is down right dangerous. If you are driving a section of road you are unfamiliar with you have no idea when this is going to happen to you. At least on the local to me roads I at least know about where to expect the car to go crazy hitting the brakes, but I still don't feel safe even when I expect it. Get on a new road you have no idea when you are going to have this happen. I assumed wrongly that I could just us TACC to avoid the phantom braking, but that is WRONG information also.

[@cyberwizzard]

This happens around Trondheim as well, where the map data seems to contain speed limits for construction zones which no longer exist. It's using cameras some times and relying on ancient map data otherwise. Another fun experience in Trondheim is to take the tunnel from the E6 towards the train station - because the tunnel is underneath the city the car hops to a random max speed from 80 to 30/50/60 - making it pointless to let the car drive itself since that tunnel is really 80 km right up to the end....

[@RoamingNorway]

Thanks for the input!

[@fredrikz]

So glad I rarely drive this stretch of freeway. It’s not a highway, as a highway can have traffic lights (or roundabouts in Europe) and generally lower speedlimits

[@NaughtyGoatFarm]

Mate it's the same in Australia. They won't fix it until they roll out fsd or a dumb autopilot version of fsd.

[@hanzo52]

And they want to release robotaxi?

[@Butcheren0]

Autopilot is not using the neural network

[@njbam23]

Hey bro! At 9:42, I think there's an issue because the navigation indicates you should be exiting the highway at that point. I believe it's also breaking because it's picking up speed limits from the smaller roads adjacent to the highway? I hope tesla will fix this. btw great video!

[@lyrith2422]

In Korea, it's a common symptom when roads with different speed limits intersect or are connected. :) It's been like that since 2019 until now. It seems to be a problem with the map data of the navigation system.

[@abioqaas]

This is happening in Finland also. On sections where there used to be construction work but now it’s just normal highway. Still phantom braking. Also sometimes it phantom brakes when large vehicles such as trucks are coming from the oncoming lane. I don’t trust cruise control for this reason.

[@RolfPettersen-s4w]

This also happens on E6 20 km north of Mosjøen i Norway, both with autopilot and cruise control. New road, but at a location where the old road had a bridge crossing a river, an the car brakes hard. I have also observed other Teslas do the same, and it is consistent in all weather- and light conditions. It makes me wonder if the maps i Tesla gets meta data from Google streetview cars. And if the Google car had a hard brake at an location, it is marked as a place of caution that Tesla picks up upon. But all in all, I like the autopilot a lot, and I'm looking forward to get an updated version based fsd. There is a part of E6 close by, where I can drive on autopilot for 95 km almost without interventions (only needing to adjust speed after passing zones with reduced speed limits), as long as I don't need to pass other cars or people that are walking along the road.

[@jensastrup1940]

My wife's sister and husband have just bought a new EV, and they would have liked to buy a Tesla, but chose not to because of the problems with phantom braking as well as Tesla's other problems with driver assist features. They were coming from a Skoda Enyaq where those things just work.

[@wonderboy75]

@@jensastrup1940 There are many reasons to avoid Teslas. But they are aggressively priced. Why did they consider Tesla in the first place after coming from Enyaq?

[@stighaaland5357]

⁠@@wonderboy75I work with a guy that sold his Enyaq and bought a model Y. Way more happy with the model Y.

[@wonderboy75]

@@stighaaland5357 my neighbor sold his Model Y and bought the new Enyaq instead. People might have different criterias.

[@Jeroenneman]

​@@wonderboy75They sure might. But saying VW's/Skoda's travel assist works better than autopilot makes me think they might be lying. I've driven an ID.3. Uses the exact same system as all the other MEB platform cars. Phantom brakes just as hard and is super annoying with regards to staying in the lane. Also freaks out whenever passing a truck and I keep a little bit to the left in a lane, immediately tries to steer me towards the damn truck.

[@wonderboy75]

@@Jeroenneman never tried VW travel assist, but my PS2 has Pilot Assist. It keeps the speed you have set instead of relying on maps or signs. Never had phantom breaking. It uses radar to brake if the car in front slows down. Steering works well on marked roads. I like it better than what i had in my Model 3.

[@mikoske]

There is one ring road (80kph, multiple lanes) in Finland where AP brakes in one exact spot ((Kehä III länteen, near Jumbo/airport), other than that, I have not had many phantom brakes on multilane roads. Autopilot does slow down if the navigation wants to exit a ramp, so some can be explained with that from your video. I have not found an option to disable this feature. But without navigation there should not be any slow down for exits/turns. I have M3 Highland.

[@marcuszettergren8885]

New road outside Molde is the same. I had just picked up a brand new M3 and was going home to Trondheim. Sudden break in the middle of nothing.

[@QuadHealer]

A workaround to this problem is to use auto-pilot without auto-steering on such stretches. On auto-pilot (single pull of the stalk) it will not lower the set speed even if the map data says the speed limit is lower. However, no matter what auto-pilot you have engaged you may still get “phantom braking” if a truck in another lane swerves towards your lane. Tesla is trying to make up for the poor quality of the maps by introducing road sign recognition again, as it did with the older models. However, it does not yet register speed limit cancellation or city limit signs (at least not in Denmark with my 2023 Model Y). If Tesla cannot get this to work, they should introduce a map correction feature, so people can report map errors, and if enough people say the speed limit is X instead of Y, then change the map in the next update. If my Tesla doesn’t even know the speed limits, there is no chance “Full-Self-Drive” will work. However, that is of no concern, because there is no way I will pay DKK 58300 to have my car drive like a teenager that needs supervision. That price is 20% of the cost of a new Model 3 here. Paying a high price for a product that isn’t ready yet, is unethical if not outright fraud. A subscription model like in the US is the only thing that makes sense, as long as the purchase isn’t transferable.

[@RoamingNorway]

ACC still brakes on the same locations. I have a video driving the same route on just ACC.

[@nemoltu]

Have you seen that Model 3 just added an RW long-range option and removed the 2.99 financing option from all M3 models?

[@RoamingNorway]

Yes sir! Video coming

[@jullegaard90]

@9:15 is it reducing the speed because you have an exit coming up?

[@RoamingNorway]

I don’t think so, but maybe.

[@ikex5ksb47psq2]

Yes, in that particular example its because the route takes that exit. The rest of the ghost breaking is legit however, I’ve driven this stretch many times. Super annoying. we need E2E

[@wonderboy75]

It would be nice if you could just set your speed manually, without automatic adjustment for speed limits, like you can on many other cars. Phantom breaking might still happen if the car sees a shadow, bridge or tunnel, but at least not from imaginary speed limits.

[@hooped8907]

I have a stretch where I live with VERY similar results (just cruise control mode not auto pilot). There are a couple of signs in the middle of the highway that are for the opposing traffic and my theory is the blank side of the sign is confusing the speed limit algo. Been reporting a "bug" for 4 years now. Still the same heh.

[@richard--s]

I think, the car sees an obstacle where nothing is, maybe in the shadow under a bridge. Often you see the indication of something in the display ahead on the road and it slows down... And then this something moves with the car and finally disappears. That's where the car accelerates. You know the Autopilot accident in the US, where the car on Autopilot did drive through a truck trailer that was going slow or standing across 2 or 3 lanes. Maybe the truck did a slow left turn at an intersection. Maybe the car is extra cautious now... but too cautious... Well, there are no intersections on this highway, but the car needs to distinguish a shadow from a truck trailer that is laying across the lanes after an accident or a tree on the road or whatever from just a shadow under a bridge, a shadow of a building across the highway with free lanes or whatever...

[@CarlGeorgTsigakis]

Well I just test drove a M3 HL on the E18 between Kristiansand and Grimstad, at it phantom breaked as well...

[@RoamingNorway]

Interesting to know!

[@MariusClausen-bf2kw]

We borroved my parents TM3 when the road was brand new. After that trip we desided not ewer buy a Tesla. We now have a ID4. we have sokme of the same problems, but it doesnt brake that hard and not on this strech. The most comfortable cars we have are the 8 year old Leaf and the 24 yoar old VW Caravelle.

[@rockfosg]

It's pretty easy, you set the cruise control to a fixed speed.. the NVDB database isent correct enough, it's the same reason you are stuck behind a old granny in a leaf doing 60 in a 80 sone... You spot the dificultys pretty easy if you use lets say Waze as gps app, and actually take notice of the speed limits sign along the road. but most times its correct wothing 20-30 meters in the app. (My car dont have traffic sign recognition)

[@MyrKnof]

I really want to know what its actually seeing at those moments

[@RoamingNorway]

I might pull the dashcam data and compare.

[@eried]

Autopilot is totally garbage. It stresses the driver because you need to fight the phantom breaks. I hope tesla fixes this for Norway, since there is so much adoption here.

[@nemoltu]

No related question, but do you know if Smart Summon works in Norway? I have an FSD on my 2017 model S and I can't summon it to me. I have scheduled a complimentary upgrade of all 5 external cameras in a week (Tesla initiated complimentary upgrade service) and wonder if that was a problem or if the Smart Summon is not even legal in No.

[@wonderboy75]

Smart summon doesn’t really work here. You have to stand right next to the car (for legal reasons) and then you can remote control it, but it didn’t work well when I tested it on my M3.

[@nemoltu]

@@wonderboy75 Thank you.

[@chestodor4161]

We have this dog shit old version of FSD in europe, they don't have this issue in the US where they actually get the new neural network updates. This is a non issue when autonomy is allowed in eu

[@Butcheren0]

«not been able to fix it» is not the same as «haven’t prioritized to fix it». Most likely an easy fix.

[@wonderboy75]

@@Butcheren0 it sucks for customers outside the USA though. They focus all their effort on FSD and making robots, and as long as people keep buying their aging vehicle models they won’t focus on improving Autopilot.

[@Butcheren0]

@@wonderboy75 doesnt really matter long term as pretty much all cars will use FSD instead

[@wonderboy75]

@@Butcheren0 my brother ordered FSD in his in 2021, and is still waiting for it. We don’t even get FSD (supervised) here. The least they could have done was fix f@kin AP.

[@Butcheren0]

@@wonderboy75 I believe that is because of regulatory approval, not because Tesla refuses to release it.

[@wonderboy75]

@@Butcheren0 they should have thought about that before taking money for it. And they could still do something to improve AP. And your point about FSD is moot regardless of who is to blame for the fiasco.

[@slavko321]

I hope you get the proper AI version as soon as possible.

[@dreamcastdc]

Probably won't be fix until they release the End to End Highway, current FSD on highway is still v11.

[@DavideMoriello]

This is not fsd but ap. We don't have fsd in Europe

[@dreamcastdc]

@@DavideMoriello​​⁠My mistake, they will probably never fix the normal Autopilot, there hasn’t been any update to that for a while.

[@Trulte60]

@@dreamcastdc wasn't it recently updated with version 2024.32.6?

[@xfilesdk]

How to contact Tesla and put pressure on them maybe tag Elon on X 😉. There is a strech i DK after the city of Odense that have same issue there 130 km speed limit and suddenly it brakes down to 80 km .. F annoying .!

[@jullegaard90]

Exactly this! It's horrible.. There are several other places in Denmark where the car reduces the speed without indicating any reduction of speed limit or cars/obstacles ahead. How can it be this hard?

[@Eiced]

I have noticed it around Odense, i thought is was because some of the earlier road construction. It looks like it only wasn't only my car - 2023 Model Y Long range.

[@LucaPerSempre]

It is the best car in the world, if you leave it in your garage. Driving is a bit difficult I understand.

[@Gazer75]

It is as if its picking up the old road and its limits and get confused. Are they using Google data? Google has become worse over the years tbh.

[@RoamingNorway]

Idk what they use, but it’s crazy that’s it’s not fixed in 4 years. The data has been correct on Google and Apple Maps for at least three years.

[@htt7o]

We have a similar (many) situations in Finland. Just a week ago there was a crash bc a tesla driver didn't kno​w about the fantom braking coming... it is excactly the same place all the time@@RoamingNorway

[@7z9]

So after 4 years you have no idea how to use AP? This is what is really embarrassing. @9:38 it clearily routes you to an exit with upcoming roundabout so it's slowing down on purpose - this is normal and expected. There's nothing for Tesla to fix. Contrary - it's a feature. It's not the AP fault, it's you not following the route and not reading the manual...

[@RoamingNorway]

Yeah but in all the other cases it brakes by itself. Watch the whole thing.

[@maxjakobsson8491]

simply just sheer unadulterated bambaclûttery

[@MichaelEricMenk]

1:11 : Please learn some basic English. Motorvei is Motorway in British English and Freeway in American English.

[@RoamingNorway]

In Norwegian English it is highway

[@MichaelEricMenk]

@@RoamingNorway There is no such ting as Norwegian English. The ENTIRE length of E6 is a highway, Rv9 is a highway, even Fv40 north of Kongsberg is a highway. So your statement is factually incorrect.. 3034 km of 3034 km of E6 is a highway. Hvis du skal dikte opp ord, så kan du likesågodt snakke norsk.

[@RoamingNorway]

@@MichaelEricMenk I prefer to speak incorrectly, personally

[@MichaelEricMenk]

@@RoamingNorway in other words, you prefer to knowingly state factual incorrect statements of in your videos. We call that lying..

[@oliveirafj]

@tesla

[@helmer123]

and???? teslas are shait anyway

[@TomUlcak]

OH NO!!! Tesla is evil!! Run away! Hide yourselves! ahhhhhhh!!!!!