This is 100% why I love this channel.... always legit feedback not an obvious you should buy this and you need that sales pitch.. like a ton of channels seem to constantly do.. appreciate you man!
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Thank you for those kind words!
@JamminJim427 ай бұрын
Troy is our "everyman" rc car scientist !! Logical and methodical. An invaluable internet resource. THANKS again Troy.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words!
@jbowman42697 ай бұрын
Thanks for testing my link riser. Ive found in my testing its not wow this is incredible but in some cases and some situations it seamed to help. I have custom length links also so i may see slightly different results.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thank you!
@dizturbednomad62537 ай бұрын
I bought my link riser from 1tenth and at first was feeling the same way about not noticing a difference right off the rip. After a few runs and different terrains it start to show an improvement on super steep technical climbs. My buddy has the same exact upgrades on his ascent as mine other than the link riser and driver mod and the difference is noticable when we run the same line
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Thanks for that feedback!
@dizturbednomad62537 ай бұрын
Also i am running the stock frame rails. Not sure if it will make a difference with the DSM carbon chassis that you are running. Just an after thought.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
@@dizturbednomad6253Good point - I doubt it makes much of a difference here. I wonder if the Ascent is just too good out of the box - and any change is just hardly noticable...
@dizturbednomad62537 ай бұрын
@@RoadsideRC i couldnt be happier with my ascent and absolutely love running the hardlines and walking some that others cant.
@jeffnewhart4917 ай бұрын
Did exactly what it was supposed to. It kept your front down better on several of those climbs. But there is a ton more to proper link geometry than just using a riser.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
It was really hard to tell any difference in performance - but maybe you are seeing something I didn't.
@driftergord7 ай бұрын
To my knowledge the biggest thing to watch is the gap between the top of your wheel well and the tire. The more open that remains before and after means the chassis is staying down and forward instead of wanting to squat in the back and unload the front. But if your chassis is already front biased with front brass it may not be too noticeable as far as picking up a wheel as your fronts already weighted down. I have recently installed front brass and metal wheels and love how it has tamed that issue.I have a dsm link riser on the way as well interested to test it out as it looks a bit different than the others.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Interesting! I will be curious to hear your results.
@Carlex3147 ай бұрын
Great video and thank you for your honesty. I was curious of the risers and didn't see its true purpose.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
I am a little stumped on this one. Some folks really say they work quite well. I just personally didn't see it.
@RcDungeon2 ай бұрын
Wow the link riser for me personally was a huge improvement on my Ascent and well worth the like $10 lol! I dont think you get say a huge performance enhancement like you do with proper weight distribution but I could 100% see the performance differences in ny truck immediately first go with it. Once I moved the link geometry around it improved it furthermore.
@RoadsideRC2 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
@La_motavation4 ай бұрын
I do have risers on some rigs it’s more noticeable on heavier ones for sure. I feel like the lighter the truck the left effective they are .
@RoadsideRC4 ай бұрын
That might make sense.
@FarmerFpv7 ай бұрын
IMO, the on;y thing that really works for doing outrageous climbs is a servo actuated front limit strap. The problem is you need a 3rd channel with travel limits and servo speed control and most RTRs come with basic radios. I use a computer radi so it's easy to install and set up. You can climb almost vertically. I also don't know if it's legal for competition. Doesnt say anything in the rules but I'm sure someone might cry and consider it cheating, lol.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
I have seen some folks do that! Like you said, I am not jumping into the complication of making it happen - but do see the benefits.
@jasonbrown314857 ай бұрын
I bought one for my TRX4M and couldn’t tell a difference either. I tested on a grip tape board, and outside on the rocks and couldn’t tell a difference. Almost all other mods I’ve been able to tell an immediate improvement.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
@thomasblair79967 ай бұрын
Guess it could have its advantages in different situations, from your footage I'm with you,didn't see much change!!!
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Yes! For some folks, in certain situations, it might make a bigger difference.
@extec1017 ай бұрын
you can see the extra anti squat the higher link mount gives working when the car is on the way up the stones, first it look normal but as soon as more power is applied the separation between rear axle and body gets notisable and the pushing of the rear axle down gives better grip to climb the stones.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
I'll give it another watch and see if I can see it.
@MrCveedub7 ай бұрын
Appreciate you testing it out! I'm always curious just how much difference you can get with stuff like this.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
I was curious as well! :) In theory, it has merit. I'm assuming it is just a small change that is hard for me to detect.
@GrimSpeedFPV7 ай бұрын
Very good to know. Was thinking of trying this for axial bronco. Saved me time and money 💯🤜
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
For your situation, and with your vehicle - maybe it will make a difference....it really is hard to say.
@GrimSpeedFPV7 ай бұрын
@@RoadsideRC really don't think so. Best thing I've found is desert lizard's. Problem solved it just takes a little of the scale away. I needed the lizard's for Capra and going back to stock shocks was uuggg bad lol
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
@@GrimSpeedFPVGlad they work well for you!
@danielhuber13647 ай бұрын
I like you honest content! Greetingss from Austria!
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@sammiller84977 ай бұрын
I watched a vid from exocaged he tested link risers and came to the same conclusion , didn't seem to do much , i think it depends on the rig itself and how its set up . Thanks for the vid
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Makes sense to me!!
@rustynail21887 ай бұрын
I’ve tested one several times on a variety of climbs and could never see an improvement it now sits in a box somewhere. Mine was is a aluminum aftermarket one.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Interesting!
@fuse5577 ай бұрын
Great video man! I've noticed the link riser talk too and was wondering.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Yep - it certainly got me wondering.
@FarmerwesАй бұрын
From what I understand anti squat really only comes into play under acceleration. Also overdrive/underdrive on a crawler defeats whatever benefit you’d get from a link riser. Boomslang Suspension has an in depth video on this…
@RoadsideRCАй бұрын
Yes! I have watched that same video!
@cybron7089Ай бұрын
Correct comment. ✌️
@rcarty4197 ай бұрын
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. Partially because on my sporty when rear links got moved the chassis side has multiple link mounts. I think that it makes sense when you picture the force a rotating axle puts in the chassis. So the riser amplifies the force….somewhat. I think raising them chassis side helps even more placing force forward higher on chassis. 😬😬😬maybe
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Interesting! From what I can tell online, it sounds like raising it on the chassis side would be a bad thing - but I am no expert.
@rcarty4197 ай бұрын
I think raising on both so if you raise on axle raise on chassis…. Keeping them parallel
@rcarty4197 ай бұрын
It is def at the point of fine tuning when you get to this though. Weight has been added and lost, and moved….centers of gravity lowered shocks tuned limited and angled, the. Smooth electronics then when your like what else could I possibly do to make this better mess w link geometry. But it’s last lololol
@jdsrcs80617 ай бұрын
The rear risers are an interesting thing. I have not tried them on any of my 10th scale rigs. I have tried them on my scx24s. From my experience they work on a few of my rigs but not all. Specficlly my Betty and Deadbolt. The reason I think the reason is due to the rear link length. The longer links put more leverage on the front to keep it planted. When i tried it on my other rigs no benifit was seen. I have one climb on my crawler course that the link riser rigs have no problem with. The non riser rigs either stuggle or do not make it.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thank you!
@gatorage8507 ай бұрын
what is does is add anti-squat to the rear!!! (not really an expert in crawling) but IMO the pros and cons would even out. yes, it would keep more weight forward but your rear tire is trying to go under the truck, which lifts your rear suspension more. This put more pressure on the rear tire for the rear suspension is compression less (think like running a harder spring rear but only on power)... too much you get wheel hop and wheeling!!! just look at 1:53 vs 4:42
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
It is really hard for me to see it. I agree - I looked at all of the clips, back-to-back, and really struggled to see much of a difference.
@gatorage8507 ай бұрын
@@RoadsideRC it's going to be hard to see, for the truck already has anti-squat. also keep in mind it's affected by wheel speed. a test you could try (to see it more) go up to a wall and have only the front bumper touching the wall and set the trim on the controller and watch the rear tire. the higher links should lift the rear of the truck more at equal speed.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
@@gatorage850 That is an interesting idea! Thanks!
@danwoodruff43237 ай бұрын
I bought the DSM one mouth back. Still need to try it out. 😂 front wait might help with it.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
I'll be curious what you think! Rob at DSM really knows what he is talking about - so I believe him when he says adding this part is better. I just didn't see it in my testing.
@fernsolo7 ай бұрын
Nice 👍
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Thanks ✌
@ka41727 ай бұрын
I think you need a steeper climb near rollover.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
There were two climbs where one front wheel was in the air - how much more vertical does it need?
@NFEzantiszar7 ай бұрын
This just reminded me I need to take my ascent out to see how it does with the straight axle front and portal rear 🤔
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Fun! How did you reverse the front axle rotation?
@NFEzantiszar7 ай бұрын
@@RoadsideRC element axle has flippable diff gear Then I also had to overdrive the rear so it brought it up to 25% UD without adding the trans gears so I put the 10% on the trans to get comp OD 👌
@leighmeggitt58757 ай бұрын
That's wild that front must be super low now how did that work out for you
@kirbyjeffery47737 ай бұрын
What type of difference did it make on sidehill and steeper inclines ? I would like to see that
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Steeper inclines is what I showed in this video. I didn't test the sidehill, as I had not heard anyone say anything about it. What do you think it would do for sidehill? Better or worse?
@archerash6695Ай бұрын
I forget the guys name but he explains in depth why they dont do anything.. His channel is in depth and he builds complex crawlers.. He has grey hair and jerseys on his shop wall... Anyway. Hope that helps
@RoadsideRCАй бұрын
Yes! I saw that video as well!
@bidibulle67957 ай бұрын
I don't see any difference. For me the best basic “trick” to do is the weight in the wheels. I have an rc ecto element and it has something that really works, the "GKS". Quote from the site: " Gatekeeper Suspension (GKS™) wheel suspension! This suspension package uses longitudinal arms on which the shock absorbers are mounted further forward, which gives more leeway for shock adjustment and allows for better weight distribution "In combination with a stabilizer bar, the use of these longitudinal arms allows the suspension to operate more evenly when going over rocks, ensuring a stable ride." And I would add that the original adjustable overdrive is of course an undeniable plus. I have had several Crawlers and I must say that the ECTO is perhaps the best I have had to date.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Yes! Weight down-low is 100% a best-practice. No doubt. I typically don't weight my wheels, as I don't like rotating mass. BUT - weight on the front axle is GREAT! I also have the ECTO and agree there as well. It is one of the best RTR crawlers you can get!
@thedousehousewatercolorexp57457 ай бұрын
Hard to say. From the video I couldn’t tell the difference. Maybe keep playing around with it and see if you notice any differences elsewhere. Thanks for the video. I had some guys at work print me out a riser a while back. Haven’t installed it yet.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Thanks! It is still installed. I figure it isn't any worse..
@332_RC24 күн бұрын
I think it looked a little better.
@RoadsideRC24 күн бұрын
What part looked better to you?
@332_RC24 күн бұрын
@RoadsideRC The rear tire clearance seemed better. Didn't compress as much. I thought it was equal but slight advantage to the riser. Like it 'grabbed' traction quicker.
@hellofromsoutheastalaskarc75177 ай бұрын
I was number 75 to like this video 💯🎉🎉🎉
@bobbyspenser73047 ай бұрын
The truck seems to be fine with out that I saw no difference really my friend but each to his own
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
That was my takeaway as well.
@Frankredline7 ай бұрын
I honestly didnt see my ascent gain any performance from this aswell.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@carlreeves97627 ай бұрын
The only thing I could see it might give you is anti squad Characteristics
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
That is what it is supposed to do, but I didn't really see any gains from it.
@unknwnrc7 ай бұрын
I only noticed a difference when going up steep rocks it was easier, but other than that I really didn't see a difference.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
@stevenlopez4127 ай бұрын
That DSM Offroad carbon chassis already helps to correct the geometry that the link riser is supposed to help with…. So your test here is a little flawed. You wanna test it on the stock chassis for realistic comparison and results. You have one too many variables in your test. But I always love your content regardless!!
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Interesting thought. I disagree thinking the test is flawed - but that is just semantics. Like I said at the end - might have a bigger impact for some folks. Perhaps folks with the stock chassis would see a larger benefit!
@stevenlopez4127 ай бұрын
You’re right, it’s not flawed in your testing method, that was really spot on actually! I guess it’s just about the variables being tested where your base platform is different than most people and the riser tends to correct a flaw of the stock chassis. The carbon chassis already addresses that shortcoming through geometry change at the skid area instead of at the axle mounting point. Either way, awesome content and testing procedure, thank you for putting this stuff out!
@donaldcarter12067 ай бұрын
Tried it on mine and didn't really see a difference.
@keldonator7 ай бұрын
Link riser let's you raise the upper rear links on both axle and skid side in case you need clearance for your driveshaft or something
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Hmm. That is not what 99% of folks say the purpose is.
@bugman727 ай бұрын
@keldonator, that is incorrect. A link riser is to increase anti-squat, not raise the clearance. By adding a link riser to the rear axle (and/or lowering upper link mount at the skid), you increase anti-squat. Raising the upper link mounting position at the skid decreases anti-squat.
@PhilMillerJustice7 ай бұрын
Thanks Troy.
@keldonator7 ай бұрын
@@RoadsideRC That's not what 99% of people want it for. Im just saying that it allows you to do this without messing up the angle of the axle through it's stroke.
@keldonator7 ай бұрын
@@bugman72 It actually isn't incorrect lol, it does allow you to move the upper links up without making your axle driveshaft angle go up or down through its motion (keeps axle flat). Doesn't mean that is why people buy this piece for rc cars however.
@billyb50577 ай бұрын
an interesting experiment couldnt notice much difference my self *👍like☑full view✅💯Au😎🦘*
@chriskryder29943 ай бұрын
A link riser only looks with wheel speed. Why anyone would think this would improve performance on a crawler shouldn't be touching a suspension system. The physics of it requires a negative link height ( front link mounting point to rear mounting point height. In a four link just rasing one really doesn't achieve what's needed.
@RoadsideRC3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@47katt7 ай бұрын
when your 61"yr"s young , and been RC"in for most of them..One learns to just keep it simple stupid!!! I think my Element Enduro does damb well.. no portalslals no computers no airbags.. I"m gonna eat crow now.. My Hobbywing 1080 rocks my world !!!!!
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
Frequently, you are right!
@NBC_NCO7 ай бұрын
I will be honest. I didn't see any improvement. The only thing I see logically doing is changing the pinion angle during compression of the suspension.
@RoadsideRC7 ай бұрын
That makes sense. Also - maybe it makes more of an impact in other situations.