Testing a $10,000 TIG Welder

[@802Garage]

Really fancy. If someone could make a machine that has the knobs for every setting like a PrimeWeld, but a screen like this that shows what you're adjusting and what it affects as soon as you turn the knob, now that would be ideal. I just hate having to click through tons of screens.

[@dolphincliffs8864]

We feel the same about audio amos as well. We like actual knobs ,same goes for cars as well.

[@gnarlock3927]

Check out Hobart Port a Tig, it is basically old skool Dynasty and a downright BEAST

[@802Garage]

@@dolphincliffs8864 Yeah I can't imagine trying to do professional audio adjustments with menus I have to click through 20 times! Bad enough on a car stereo trying to adjust frequency levels. 😂

[@802Garage]

@@gnarlock3927 I actually got a PrimeWeld, but I tried to look up that Hobart and wasn't sure which one you mean. One model did give me an idea though. Having a screen wouldn't be so bad if there was a big knob or two with clear settings you could turn to change what was being altered on screen and then another knob or two for the contextual adjustments. I think there are some that function similar to that, but the execution really matters.

[@dolphincliffs8864]

@@802Garage One of our band mates had a Marshall like that,it sucked,dude spent more time adjusting than playing!

[@wvrockcrusher]

Having worked in a shop for 3.5 years where you have multiple TIG welders running at the same time all day, I can say the quiet pulse would be a blessing. The noise in itself is tiring to listen to for a 10-hour shift, even with hearing protection. I ran a Dynasty 300 DX on aluminum all the time. I also used Lincoln Spectrum 375, and an ESAB for a while, but I always came back to the Miller and laid claim to that machine as mine. I always found it easier to setup and the arc was more stable, smooth, and controllable as well. I could see myself having quite a love affair with that new Dynasty you're trying out there Tay.

[@Adrian64yt]

the typhoon gets er done for half the cost, lol. im a miller guy, I just bought a $24K 400pro, but man does that typhoon weld smooth

[@ypaulbrown]

In 2004, I purchased a Dynasty 200dx,for use on location where only 110 volts were available, the predecessor to the 210dx...fantastic machine... recently, I have been using the 280dx, also a fantastic machine...... the 300dx looks like a real workhorse also and with the display, it should really help us old weldors who have a poor memory.... it took a lot of reading and experimentation to understand all the bells and whistles of the older machines.... thanks for the introduction of the 300dx... cheers from a die hard true Blue customer, Paul in Central Florida, I still love me Synchrowave 250 from 1997 also...but it likes to stay in the shop.....

[@leebornaman5508]

He puckered when you flexed the " not a flex head", ha . Competing with new laser tech. Very nice. Interesting video.

[@RG-gn1ln]

Steve Morris Race Engines did a video with Chris Razor welding an aluminum engine block and heads with the Dynasty 300. Chris kicks the frequency way up. It is an amazing machine and what can be done with it.

[@urbanosity]

I watched that too!

[@peters5333]

I did as well. Interesting that Chris is their beta tester.@@urbanosity

[@Tuks7210]

Is that 1 of 5 guys in the US that weld copper for a steel mill? And he taught the other 4

[@urbanosity]

Yep!!!

[@CGT80]

Yep, when the Miller rep said the Dynasty tops out at 800 amps, I remembered the 1 in 5 guy saying that he welds 12" diameter, 1" wall copper pipe at 800 amps and it takes 8 hours per joint. My Miller tig welder is 460 amps and has any waveform and frequency.......as long as you choose 60 herts and sine wave. 😁 That is what Heliarc was back when my Miller Goldstar 330 abp was built. In 2000, I used a syncrowave while in college doing welding classes and got compare that to sine wave. A 280+ dynasty is a wet dream for me.

[@supercalcium]

Amazing! Thank you for sharing. The bad thing is that Miller welder last long and the market they cover is small, not everyone can pay those prices. Congratulations.

[@mr.b6917]

Have the Dynasty 280 and cost 30k. It’s been broken 3 times and the last time it took almost a year to get back and cost 10k to fix. Hope this one is better.

[@williamthomas9463]

Never seen your videos before. I’m right up the road from you, just north of Charlottesville. I also deal with Arc3. Thanks for the review and nice to have found you.

[@JCWren]

11:56 That has to be the most interesting grip on the torch and rod that I've ever seen...

[@LostWalletFab]

Same way lefties write 😂

[@kravselj]

For that price you can buy fully packed fronius iwave 300.

[@polskipartaczwjukej6066]

100% agree

[@Goodshaft]

Or a New HTP 2500 for half the cost !

[@jasonboyce6050]

The Dynasty series also allows you to store the welding parameters you set (I think its up to 100 save profiles like a radio in your car). You can also save them under a unique name so you don't have to try remember.

[@jheissjr]

It's awesome your school has the 300. Not only has it but 15!

[@Nakadori.qcow2]

yeah, its pretty nice, theyve all got watercoolers and the bluetooth pedals, theyre really nice to use, i believe they had some outside funding via a grant or something to update the shop and they definitely went all out.

[@SchysCraftCo.]

Awesome video. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work tay. Fab on weld on. Keep Making. God bless.

[@LostWalletFab]

Interesting soft pulse. We don't like welding aluminum for that reason lol 3 years ago we got a Dynasty 400 with chiller and cart for $10k.

[@johnversluis3084]

inflation sucks and most of the parts are made in china now

[@LostWalletFab]

@@johnversluis3084 We had a 700 and the HF board went out. About $3,500 for the part and no guarantee to fix the issue.

[@jeffersonprice3800]

4 years ago you could get a killermqtic 252 for $2500.... They're $5000 here in Canada now. Not only that they come with plastic parts that used to be metal.

[@hinz1]

Lol, I have like 8 $10'000 welders from 20years ago. They weld exactly the same, as the new stuff, but only at 5-10% price. Furthermore, usually much more repairable than new junk.

[@dill5500]

That’s pricey

[@Michaeljm84]

I’d love you to have a go at an everlast typhoon. Amazing machines

[@scotttipps8155]

I've got the typhoon 330 and just got the 500 for Christmas. Both are a beast

[@charliehuntsman9827]

Would you put these up against the dynasty

[@scotttipps8155]

@@charliehuntsman9827 they are close in comparrison for sure. I would go head to head with my dynasty

[@Adrian64yt]

@@charliehuntsman9827 yes, i use dynasty machines at work and my typhoon is every bit as good. the accessories arnt the very best but they get you going and they last, and a its easy enough to upgrade to a ck torch

[@keithschuessler3435]

Miller should charge for an app that does the same thing as the screen on this to explain what the changes do.

[@Kawika88]

Tay Knows his welders!!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Great content gents. Like some folk, I have a hearing issue that prevents me from understanding voices with loud background stuff. The background music volume in this vid interfered with the dialog so much for me, I had to stop, skip forward for a section with a lower volume. I didn't find one.

[@CGT80]

I would agree since I have less than great hearing and just hate random background noise and crap so called music. This channel has horrible "music" and I would rather not have any at all and then go listen to Pandora when I am in the mood for whatever I feel is good music when the mood strikes. Unfortunately, it seems the typical person has such a short attention span that they must constantly be fed dialogue or music, or so that is what is seems based on how so much video is made.

[@blvckkitsune]

Great review!

[@TheDieselmb]

Got the miller 210 do amazing machine

[@xler8226]

Why does it not have lift arc high frequency start , fronius has it on i230 wave has it , great feature !!!

[@LiftArcStudios]

We are waiting for the day a welding manufacturer asks us what welders would actually need!

[@Nakadori.qcow2]

I have about 15 of these in my welding school, ive tried several different machines and these are the best ive used, granted ive only been welding about a year, you hook up a water cooler and a mini torch setup, and she’ll weld anything fuckin mint 👌

[@jheissjr]

Does your school have this particular Dynasty 300?

[@CGT80]

They will weld up anything but a broken heart or the crack of dawn? 😁

[@Nakadori.qcow2]

@@CGT80 pretty much

[@Nakadori.qcow2]

@@jheissjrthe newest dynasty 300’s they sell, they bought them about a year ago

[@jzlharvey]

Cool commercial! I guess?

[@TBJK07Jeep]

We bought a Dynasty 280 & cooler for our Makerspace maybe 5 years ago. We recently bought the millermatic 255 with push pull gun. It has that color screen. I personally dont care for the screens, maybe that will change. Also I swear my Lincoln 3350 is pretty damn close to that. I’d have trouble with the finger control as well.

[@CGT80]

In 2020, I bought a fully loaded duramax diesel chevy truck......probably the most expensive truck that was on the lot during the middle of covid lockdown. From 1996 to then, my 79 Chevy C20 truck was my daily driver. I had upgraded everything including an engine that made more power than the new gas trucks, but life changes and I was ready for the comforts and capability due to my body aging and my needs for work, and luckily my financial situation allowed me to save the money to pay for it. I have always loved old stuff, but at the same time loved new tech. My miller tig machine is a 460 amp goldstar 330 abp from 1965! Things change and we don't have to LOVE the new but can choose to enjoy it when it works for us and it is also great to still appreciate the old and robust. I'm also reluctant to a lot of what is new and popular.

[@gnarlock3927]

All welders have unique operating characteristics, especially inverter vs transformer. Dynasty's have good "finesse" with low amp arc stability BUT arc initiation is not as stable. It can be prone to stray arc that can strike a non weld location. Transformers on the flip side have better arc initiation (doesn't flutter/stray) Just my observations, the ol Hobart Port a Tig still holds it's own and works better for certain tasks

[@brianthompson9485]

If you think that hood was good you should try one of the Optrel's... your mind will be blown even more.

[@pharmdiesel]

I have the Multimatic 220...Oh how I would love a Dynasty 300.

[@NathansWorkshop]

I want a 220 sooo bad.

[@CGT80]

My brother has the multimatic 220 and 252 and I have the millermatic 211 inverter and goldstar 330 abp 460 amp tig machine.......from 1965 with since wave and 60 hertz waveform. The power company won't give me 120hz for my machine 😁 A dynasty would be great, but the 300 would be perfect for anything I could think of working on. A person can dream......even if it is a wet dream 😬

[@johnhufnagel]

it was this video I realized, tay is a fellow lefty.

[@steffen1182]

Ahhh 🤯 that camera tilt!

[@sledrelics]

I use that miller helmet daily at work. The head gear breaks down from sweat and comes apart and breaks in about month. I modified and after market head gear and has been flawless. The lens is the best I've ever used. I would love to try out that miller machine.

[@toddsutton5672]

ill stick to my 300 sync and 200 dynasty thanks. lol

[@aass-q6k]

as a tig beginner and semi retired the most I could afford was a hf vulcan protig 205, I would love to have a miller.

[@Limetree.Living]

$10 K with no water cooler? Everlast offers a full package for under $6k CANADIAN (converts to roughly $1000000 American) Full setup with water cooler, cart, torch, I got mine with a second torch and a wireless foot pedal for $500. and it was still under $6k I didn't see anything on this machine that isn't offered on the Everlast. Not trying to be a hater. I'm genuinely curious what is offered for the extra 50%. PS great content! No disrespect. I would have a miller rep over to my shop anytime to try something new! I would love to open up the conversation to understand the value proposition of paying 50% more. I love Miller machines, I personally haven't experienced a 50% increase in capabilities, durability or service. Thoughts?

[@brianthompson9485]

You get that cool blue color for the extra money. haha

[@NemesisRTCW]

Arc quality on AC would be my guess. I gave a 200 amp Fronius Magicwave Fuzzy, over 25 years old and a 3 year old 325EXT. The Fronius secondhand with a watercooler was more expensive then the new 325 and on AC it shows why. Neatly silent arc on AC, a puddle that wets out nicely without turning too fluid and just an all around better AC machine. The extra amps on the 325 make it my go to machine on anything 5mm and up, but under that the Fuzzy is my prefered machine.

[@Limetree.Living]

@@NemesisRTCW Thank you! That is some solid information. I appreciate the reply. I haven't spent any time on the Fronius machines. I have used the Miller and the Esab, which both had their advantages. Nothing seemed to be 40%-50% better tho. There is a lot of value in the details, and it sounds like Fronius and hopefully Miller, for the extra cost, have the details dealt with. Cheers

[@engjds]

Its a Miller, if you want features and reliability, you go for Fronius. Everlast is still a unknown quantity for reliability.

[@endiron9478]

Which HTP machine? I am guessing the Invertig 400 AC/DC?

[@ypaulbrown]

One suggestion, lower the volume on background music, now on with the show....cheers from Florida, Paul

[@funone8716]

Guys like a robot voice, doesn't stop

[@ericayers5690]

The boards eventually fry in all of these inverter machines. Go for the machine with the best warranty. Non of these machines will still be running in 10-15 years.

[@bearkawiboy6246]

HTP Invertig 301! Better for less money!

[@rs2024-s4u]

Nice machine for me perfect. Ray

[@greekgods3399]

love it

[@ajones8008]

Everlast just entered the chat...

[@LiftArcStudios]

hahahahaha

[@jarexxsuvexx8212]

🤦🏾‍♂️It's crazy folks actually believe this welder is really worth $10k.

[@jimmyngo8855]

I wonder if it has scratch start?

[@Adrian64yt]

every cc machine has scratch start, lol. you just set it to stick mode and turn the dig to zero

[@chadevjen7091]

New sponsor?

[@LiftArcStudios]

Not a sponsor! We're just lucky to be partnered with Arc3 who was able to set us up with this particular demo unit to test out. Miller is probably too big for lil guys like us 😂

[@hubbablahloo1843]

Buy an HTP and you'll save money and get a much better machine

[@melgross]

It would be nice if you guys could have tried this machine for a week, or so, to really try it out properly. I wonder why they used the long cups.

[@LiftArcStudios]

So they loaned this particular unit to us to do some more extensive testing over the next month or so, and we have some exciting content in mind with it so stay tuned! - Walker

[@melgross]

@@LiftArcStudios great! Though I think I’ll stick with my $4,000 ESAB (I’m retired).

[@boostnhoe]

It drives me nuts that they keep putting the on/off switch in the rear of all welders.... why.....

[@richarcruz7843]

Wowwwww it’s just a little odd to me how this 10,000 package machine has th same specs as my Everlast 255EXt so put them neck to neck An see who wins th battle how bout that🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@kevbot5.0keller66]

I have a dynasty 350 and it's to complicated. This sounds a lot user-friendly. I need my welder, but it's only a tenth of what I need going on with my jobs. I'm a machinist, not a full-time welder.

[@trevordeemie674]

That price Tag is why ill never even consider a Miller.... there are plenty of options for half the price with the same features as well as a water cooler... F Miller

[@Jacob-64]

That hand control sucks IMO ,Foot peddle is boss for tig ,so much more control

[@dustinflippin1221]

Just buy a primeweld tig325x. You can probably buy six or seven of them for the same price.

[@melgross]

Meh

[@charliehuntsman9827]

Yep exactly what I thought 🤔 or a Everlast . I don't have 10K to go through at a welder or the money to buy there cheaper welders

[@jovannycosme]

You get what you pay for in this line of work. They may seem similar at first but Millers quality over Everlast should not even be discussed 😅 Just take your Primeweld, Everlast or other cheaper welder apart and you will see. They are NOT the same, nor do the cheaper ones last as long, consistency with arc on the AC side, dialed in settings, etc. But again, not everyone has $10k to splurge on a Miller or similar, hence why there are much cheaper options. We all can't buy a Ferrari, just the way things are.

[@melgross]

@@jovannycosme I guess it depends on whether you’re professional, which means working at it every day, welding for some time during the day, meaning arc time, not time the welder is turned on, though that deteriorates machines as well. If you’re at home and like to think you’re a Pro, but you really aren’t and arc time is maybe five to ten minutes a week, on average, then sure. Buy a 2nd tier machine like those mentioned. If you’re lucky, they will last years. Actually, if you’re lucky they may even last for years in an actual pro setting. But just remember folks, that Everlast and Primeweld mostly, though other 2nd and 3rd tier companies also give these machines to KZbinrs like party favors and that why you see so many around. Then they can’t criticize them on air. So people buy them. Both machines have gotten better through the years, but warrantee service from Everlast is still pretty crappy for most people. The big three, particularly here in the USA are still ESAB, Lincoln and Miller. There are good reasons why,

[@dustinflippin1221]

@@jovannycosme Lincoln and miller are having more board failures than everlast or primeweld. And their internals are made in the same country. But I guess if you buy the Ferrari you need to tell yourself it cost more because it’s better.

[@leebornaman5508]

Lots of undercut..you said.

[@marklugo6002]

Still a lot of flip through menus. Still sort of hidden. Lots of setup time.

[@quintonthompson1677]

id never need one honestly i run a rig truck and do mostly stick

[@CalebCantrellPBR]

The people that can afford this machine/ run a business that can afford this machine most likely don't need a damn illustration to show them what their arc is doing. Put this shit on cheaper machines to help out beginners.

[@jeffersonprice3800]

No kidding Miller has become a gimmick.

[@polskipartaczwjukej6066]

So many years behind even chinese. This miller looks like copy of german schweisskraft, which cost under $1000 😂

[@johnjabster2247]

Used on in a pro environment fod couple.weeks cooler kept shutting off and torch line blew up 3 times in approx 2 weeks after being serviced did it again . When it did work it tig welded aluminum really nice but in my opinion as a pro welder this machine is a piece.of junk.

[@johnjabster2247]

Way overpriced also

[@TheShadowCamo]

So.... $5000 dynasty 300 with a $5000 screen? LOL! Yeah there's a lot more welding machines out there, and the market is getting competitive, and Miller prices themselves right out the game. Not smart.

[@roberta4989]

Tay, can my friend borrow $10K. He recently saw a demo of an awesome Miller Dynasty machine. He wants one! Please buy one for him or lend him the money. Please. I'm asking for a friend. I think it was Walker that suggested that I ask for my friend.

[@Rellikman]

Let Rick tell you that your old welder is not supported for repairs by miller no more. Let him tell you it’s a throw away no matter how little used your old welder is and that you need to throw it out and buy NEW. Way to turn your fans away. I threw Miller away.