TESTING A NEW ARROW.. ABT

[@TimConnor13]

Cory was using the Archery Pal app.. Public Land Hustle 2.0 coming in hot Monday December 13th! With a little trailer dropping this week. ABT ya’ll this off-season will be the best yet!

[@bencreach7839]

I can't find that app on Android. Is there a app for Android out there?

[@steveaustin1820]

@@bencreach7839 I use Archers Advantage...not free.

[@MrAPCProductions]

285 fps. Wow. Fully impressed. I have a Bear Flare bow from the early 80s, that my father bought new. I inherited the entire setup when he passed. Arrow build is a 2419 Eastons, with some type of aluminum filler rod that runs the length of the shaft, the broadheads have no name or markings on them that I have ever found but look similar to Razorheads. Total arrow weight is over 1200. With the bow set to my fathers dimensions 31"@80lbs, we see 165fps. I am alive today because of the animals that this bow killed to feed our family. I don't think my father ever took a shot past 40 yards, but he also never had an arrow fail for complete pass through 100% of the time. Turkey, whitetail, and other species.

[@TheHYENA87]

Very cool, tinkering is fun but costs alot money, particularly if you aren't given the gear from sponsors...a meat and potatoes setup like you father's that will always work and produce. Your speeds are close to my longbow speeds. Upgrades and fancy gear rarely mean more dead animals...

[@SNAGEMNTAG3M]

Glad you guys post early on Mondays have my coffee before work and a little elk shape of o get the day going ...building some arrows this year and this will definitely help me decide thanks again for all the info you guys provide

[@ElkShape]

Thanks for being here!

[@clintwalker7690]

I had to go back and see when this video was posted. I watch a lot of archery channels. I don't think I know everything. I like 17 to 20 percent FOC. Modern archery allows the individual archer to custom load their bow. Build your your own load for every bow you own. Be confident, be successful, and practice, practice, practice!

[@Orr_s]

Ive been building my arrows for little over 4 seasons now from bare shaft start to finish, about 3 dozen now and i must say even though its tedious and time consuming to do it the right way. I truly enjoy it and it allows you so much fine tuning to build what you and your bow need exactly. I was always disappointed paying someone to setup my arrows and there was still a lot left to be desired when someone else just cut and glued in inserts. Now theres endless possibilities. And my newest VAP SS elite arrows are my slickest most proud build to date. 4 fletch PM23 vanes. 60 grain total ethics inserts and collars, 486 grains total which is my lightest arrow to date. Unfortunately yet to see what they can do on an animal this year. But in practice and experimenting these things are deadlyyy…coming out of an Rx-1 at 75lb draw, 29.5” draw length.

[@ElkShape]

it's great to be a part of the process

[@Orr_s]

@@ElkShape really allows for super precise selection and fit and finish of components compared to just handing to a shop thats cranking out hundreds of arrows a day. Not the shops fault but this way here it really eliminates any sort of fit and finish issues and tailors your setup to you

[@timbow50]

I love ABT! Was using a 407 grain hunting two blade fixed for last year. Got pass through on deer but not on hogsevery time. Went to a 430 grain this year. Optimum speed for my set up at 268fps. I don't shoot at deer or hogs past 35 yards 99% of the time. 58#'s at 28" Elite Ritual 33. I use a CBE TL 3 pins slider. Pins set for 18,24 & 35 yards. Because I hunt from ladder stands, 15' tall tripod and a box blind at 14' tall. I know the distances to the feeders so my pins set is dead on distance for the places. The hog place is the 18 yard shot to the feeder. Gotta tinker with stuff all the time to maybe find a new sweet spot on any Peary of the equipment.

[@joshc1291]

I shot rip tko last year until I couldn’t get them anymore, which they were probably the best arrow I ever shot, then switched to axis match grade with aae vanes I bought from mfjj, now o shoot stock black eagle arrows with half outs and blazer vanes, my arrow is 420 grain and I have a 28 draw length with a vxr 31.5, it is by far the best grouping arrows I have ever shot, keep up the great content!

[@paytenblevins3401]

Same on the rip tko elites, best arrow I’ve shot but can’t find them consistently so I switched to carbon express maxima red sd, I tried BE rampages and they did shoot good but were very brittle, so my red sds shoot just as good but are way stronger, 31 inch draw at like 525 grains shoots like 300 fps with my elite ritual 35 with my let off stops almost all the way in like 75 or so percent letoff

[@alexgenereux4704]

One thing I think would be good to do with all these arrows builds would be to get a lab radar chronograph and look at the speeds at distance. I am not advocating for any certain arrow weight but lighter arrows slow down faster than heavier arrows i.e. increasing pin gap as you get farther out. Honestly I have no clue what outcome this will have but would be a really interesting data point. Love the ABT arrow stuff.

[@hootiesfilms6446]

I think im going to pick up some of these x impacts. Mostly because options are very limited when looking for 200 spine, but also the straightness of the shafts is attractive and this outsert collar system looks really cool.

[@JimD4570]

I like that they have outserts for the 204/5mm also I like a tough arrow. I also like that FOC to arrow weight ratio where you are running a relativly high FOC at about 400-425 grain over-all arrow. getting your arrow speed in that 271-280ish speed range. This year I am running a 230 grain arrow with 18 FOC at 281. It feels right..

[@JimD4570]

Also I am shooting the Black eagle Rampage 300 .001 arrow. " 204"

[@deanbrantley]

Love the ABT, I’m constantly changing things. I jumped up the RF band wagon and quickly got off. As a southern bow hunter shot distance can quickly change. But the quality broadhead is something I’ve focused on. For me the G5 Montec has always been one of the best flying heads ever but sharpness was disappointing. So I worked on them till they are IW sharpe. Currently shooting 435 grains. In the 285fps and super happy with my current set up.

[@tylergordon696]

The cross bow bolt comment had me rolling. My practice archery partner has a 24.5" draw length. I think she could shoot cross bow bolts.

[@stephenlaney_bjj]

I am running Black Eagle Rampage 300 cut at 28.5 with ethics archery spinning insert. This setup is perfect for hog and whitetail in the south.

[@burksoutdoors8391]

I run VAP SS elite 166 and the d power lighted nocks seem very solid and turn on and off with your thumbnail. I have to shoot them all the time so that I'm consistent during practice versus hunting and they are all still bright and all working correctly through countless shots. Pretty sure they are the best value out there as well.

[@ryanwest7304]

If Dan is worried about trajectory, maybe you need a different jig, that is a heck of a helical. the smaller the shaft it seems the more exaggerated that is. the more helical the more down range it will drop due to friction in the air. I wonder if a couple degree offset would be best (especially if you are shooting out of a tuned bow).

[@clintwalker7690]

Two blade broad heads can index anywhere, as long as you are well tuned.

[@DarrenStrubhar]

I have been shooting x-impact’s for 3-4 years now, and have been very impressed. My arrow weight is around 435 and have had pass throughs on elk ( through shoulder blades) around 40 yrds. I am shooting at 291 fps

[@EBair]

I ran the focos system on my rampages this year. Only advice is I loc tite the set screw because it was coming loose occasionally

[@brpnw4r94]

Have Dan's rig towed next time, Tim. Filmographer has its perks😉. Man, been running Victory arrows for a few years now. Would give Black Eagle the nod. Maybe with a new bow would come some new sharp sticks??? 🤔. Don't make me

[@bowhogfl]

Dan the nockturnals for .166 shafts are VERY light for a lit nock and they fit really well. Give ‘em a try I think you’ll be impressed. Also I would have liked to seen close ups and better explanations of the outsert systems on this build. Was kinda hard to get the idea. Keep up the good work. Love the channel.

[@longdrawarcher4857]

Just bought a dozen black eagle rampage 250 spine arrows for my 75lb Mathews atlas at 32” draw. I installed a 30 grain weight into the insert for a little added foc. I have to say I am super impressed with these shafts and I will continue to use their product. I don’t know arrow weight, or speed because it’s not important to me, but I’d guess my arrow is around 550-590 grains with the 100 grain point.

[@HighDesertAdventurer]

As a fellow archer that has the draw length of a T rex this is a great video! Very informative. Shot my last bull 4yrs ago with a black eagle rampage.

[@jmarchi15]

I agree as well but mine is even shorter! like a baby t trex ha

[@jcarry5214]

Would you use those shafts again? There's some for sale in my area and I like the weight profile. Also how did you like their half-out?

[@HighDesertAdventurer]

@@jcarry5214 just made up another 6 Rampage arrows Friday

[@HighDesertAdventurer]

@@jcarry5214 I switched to use the Ironwill inserts and collars.

[@jcarry5214]

@@HighDesertAdventurer hard to argue with that.

[@mattthadd4663]

I love the X-impacts but the nocks leave a bit to be desired. I switched all my nocks to the Easton nocks.

[@vancejohnson1778]

Awesome videos! Now that it's the off season up here in Alberta definitely thinking about tinkering, I personally like lighting arrows have had look luck with 415-425, had a pass through double lung shot on my last bull moose at 63 yards nd took out ribs aswel nd was a only 415 grain at 288ft/s. And definitely like the tighter pin gap myself!

[@amadorcorona4484]

Love Black Eagle and the FOCUS system

[@zackwhitworth5230]

What app are you using to calculate arrow speed?

[@jimsheldon9909]

Great vid guys!!! I will definitely give these a try. Awesome 👏

[@F22Ra]

I have really been thinking about switching from axis to x impact. Black eagle definitely doesn’t cut corners.

[@GBBLGBL]

Only question I have Dan is Corey cut an entire inch off of the X-Impact to get the overall length of your arrow to be close to what you were before with the RIP TKO due to the length of their outsert. Weren't you concerned that by cutting that inch off increased the dynamic spine of the arrow? Would have been cool to see the difference in paper with the initial cut length vs the other with 1" cut off and how your vertical tear changed. I have their Deep Impact arrows, great arrows but I HATE having to sand the front inch or so of the shaft to get their outsert to fit...this is why I run a different half out on those shafts. Love the ABT vids!! Looks like you mess with different arrows as much as I do....lol

[@masonjessop9308]

Can’t wait to come show off the titanium custom mason insert to you once podium is done with my bows 🤘

[@ApexPredatorOutdoors]

I prefer the stainless collar. That way I can polish them up to a mirror finish so they slide like greased lightning!

[@stick__shooter]

My experiences with Black Eagle was not good. I tried Rampage, Spartan, and Zombie Slayer. The durability was awful on the Rampage and Spartan. Splitting ends constantly. The Zombie was better. They all shot very accurately.

[@HuntsT]

I had similar experience with x-impacts. Pretty brittle for a hunting arrow imo.

[@stick__shooter]

@@HuntsT I've been very happy with Victory. VAP SS, VF TKO and Vforce have all been great. I'm hoping to try the RIPs next.

[@HuntsT]

@@stick__shooter yep, my opinion is that victory makes the best quality arrows in the industry. Gold tip is probably 2nd of the major companies. I've heard good things about sirius archery. I plan on putting together a set of RIP TKOs this year.

[@steven_farmer89]

Do you think you got a lemon? And did you reach out to them, for returns?

[@stick__shooter]

@@steven_farmer89 If it was only one or two shafts it could have been that, but I had issues with several shafts cracking in the back, both Rampage and Spartans which even have a stainless Nock collar. I've heard people say the Black Eagle nocks are to blame. If I were to try them again i would stick to the thicker walled shafts like the Renegade and Deep Impact and probably use different nocks.

[@GhillieFrog]

Great vids fellas!! Keep these ABT vids coming in the off season. Personally, I think your victory rip arrow is better than the x-impact build. I’m a .166 vap TKO arrow shooter but avoid setups that have a lot of over hang of an outsert due to fails and bending. The Valkyrie system is the best I have seen to pair with a .166 arrow to avoid that big overhang of an outsert. Can’t wait to see your testing vids next.

[@SoSwiff]

I bought some daysix arrows with stainless insert and titanium outsert because it was advised that you want more subtropical mass in the center of the arrow rather than on the outside but I’d like to see a flight comparison comparison vs a heavier outsert than insert

[@herroonb]

Like the video! I'm looking at new arrow set up for 27" draw and #65 out of my pse evo evl 34 I just picked up

[@JRIV24]

Great stuff with those floating numbers!! 😂Definitely how it feels tinkering sometimes.

[@royhoglund1322]

I also would like to know what app you are using to calculate arrow speed. My arrow set up this year was Black Eagle X-Impact with the Iron Will Snyder Core system. Loved them! ABT

[@ElkShape]

Archery Pal!

[@jonesboyshunting8673]

Man these Abt videos are getting to me. That it what I'm planning on doing this of season is mess around with a new set up. Current arrow fmj 5mm 340 spine and running about 513 grains with fletching from mfjj and that man has the best shipping turn around ever. Try to get as much stuff from him as possible. Keep up the great work man.

[@daltonglandon591]

I am currently shooting the RIP TKO in .003 but have really been looking at the Deep Impacts, I’ve never fletched my own but really want to up my game especially this years TAC

[@garrettdraper416]

I’m currently shooting the deep impacts and love them they are a tuff arrow with a really thick wall

[@Bigtrain1]

500g with a 31 inch draw (I feel like I've sinned 😁) 275 fps with iron will 125 g 16.8, foc seems about right for a bum shouldered old man. My draw weight remains secret because it's embarrassing. Ordered my first two sets of black eagle rampages from Corys xxx archery. Now doing my own x- impact

[@billstiger2359]

What app you using?

[@blongmoua315]

X impact my favorite Arrow

[@garthweathersby9426]

I would like to know if Josh would build the same arrows in 166 4mm and what would be the cost

[@nathanclark17]

What app were y’all using?

[@derricknalley3053]

New to Hunting with a Bow, I have a phase4 29 whit a 27.5 draw length shooting at 60lbs. What arrow, spine, and grains should I start trying out?

[@benjaminbrewster8002]

Awesome Video I also shoot blackeagle x impacts, and I to have 27 inch draw with 70lb v3 so I can learn from this video and tinker more, thanks for awesome content

[@jmarchi15]

I enjoy watching your arrow detail videos compared to other because of the similarity in my draw length. Everyone else has "normal" DL but us small guys gotta stick together. ABT

[@mattklemish9553]

Dan- I'm building the X Impact, and i have left helical vanes, and did not glue down the outsert because i want to have my fixed head broadhead to match my vanes. I'm having trouble with the set screw coming loose that holds the outsert. Should i use some blue loctite to keep in place until i get ready to shoot broadheads late this summer for elk season? Any suggestions? Thanks Dan-O 25.5" x 340 spine with 100 gr stainless pillar and aluminum outsert

[@darkwandervids6717]

What’s the best way to clean glue off the Arizona e-z fletch?

[@cliby83]

Do they come spine aligned from the factory? I know that was an advantage of the Victory arrows.

[@Kyle_97]

I second this question.

[@HuntsT]

Dynamic spine alignment can only be determined when shot. How that arrow reacts with the force from your bow cannot be predetermined. Look up knock tuning by tim gillingham. It definitely takes time and sometimes head scratching, but I definitely have more consistent flights especially with fixed blade heads at longer distances. In saying that, victory arrows are by far the best made arrows as far as quality. Black Eagles are ok, but seem to be brittle in a high speed/energy setup.

[@koreywiesbrock9698]

Love the content as always guys

[@Alex-iv4ee]

Did y’all post a video testing the ranch fairy arrows?

[@austinhayes3901]

How’d you do those wild helicals?

[@ElkShape]

AZ ez fletch

[@RugerNuger]

Mfjj knows his stuff I agree 2 many people going to heavy especially short draw archers I've a 24ince draw and my arrow weight for hunting is 350 and I blow through everything

[@mikehottinger4212]

Dan/Tim/JJ - what is the issue with Lighted Nocks and the X-Impact arrows? I’ve shot them in practice with no issues; but want to know what’s up with them before I head up the mountain next fall. Thanks.

[@HouseBladeDesign]

Arizona fletcher .. great helical

[@FireStartersYG]

I highly recommend black eagle arrows!

[@adrianhamilton7775]

Great info guys , I got a question . does fletching distances Forward or back make much difference to arrow flight ?

[@jesselost05420]

Did Corey have an English Bulldog in his archery shop by Portland? The guy looks so familiar, I think I went in his shop once.

[@xxxarcheryxxx]

Yes that was me and I now have 2 bulldogs

[@jesselost05420]

@@xxxarcheryxxx I had my kids with me and they really enjoyed your dog. You gave me a lot of good advice before starting out two years ago on the path of archery, and it was much appreciated! Already have two bears down with my bow now. And now we have a mini bulldog because the kids fell in love with your dog haha. Thanks Corey

[@jackbuendgen389]

That helical on a 166 is CRAZY!

[@davidholliday2703]

Let us know has this works on a critter. Preferably an Elk.

[@temrenoutdoors]

I am using axis 5 mm, I would like to try this one !

[@MikeyWoomer]

I decided to try out Carnivores.. i shot 4mms for the last few yrs and im over shooting outserts.. thr Carnivores are lite but i put thr 40 grain brass in and man i love them.. i think im done with skinny arrows

[@xxxarcheryxxx]

That’s what I shot my bull with this year. Great set up.

[@thomasstanworth]

Great vid! However, it makes no sense at all to use an IBO speed to determine the intended arrow build weight, when you *know* the speed of your specific bow with an existing arrow of know weight. IBO speeds can be all over the place and performance can be very different 3” DL under IBO spec of 30”. I know you guys know this, which is why you offered up this info.

[@Niko_410]

Not to sound like a noob. But can someone explain to me why they are shooting for air speed between 275 and 290? What are the issues with having 450+ grain arrows traveling over 290 ft./s?

[@bryanparryhunter]

Inundation of empirical knowledge is key to success.

[@wiscfarmer]

What degree of helical are you using?

[@Jericho_bella]

ABT is the way it should be Nice video very informative thanks gentlemen

[@ElkShape]

You bet

[@Jericho_bella]

@@ElkShape where are the sweatshirts I asked for I’m ready to buy a couple and shirts as well

[@lspostma]

I thought you were going to change that smoke alarm battery?! ; )

[@SchollZee]

The focus system sucks. I used it for a year. With a hard left helical the interior screw backs out. I also broke 8 of the outserts on the 2 doz X impacts that I had them in, just shooting 3D targets at tac and in tournaments. I really wanted to like it but no bueno.

[@davidcunninghamjr6871]

Great vid

[@mikemitchell9157]

Nocturnal makes an ok nock for them

[@Engrave.Danger]

Just to update on that, my experience with the micro Nocturnals was terrible but the Halo micro nocks are awesome. They're a little bit lighter and don't require a sharp object to reset. I've yet to have one not work, whereas over half of my Nocturnals malfunction and I had several bad ones straight outta the package.

[@Bigtrain1]

All the way from SC

[@dewboy910]

If your arrow weight is that damn critical in order to get good accurate flight, you need a different broadhead! Not an arrow speed limit.

[@ryanwest7304]

You talked about what you want for speed and weight of an arrow...but did you worry about spine strength/weakness. or is the train of thought here is if you shoot around 280-295 FPS, your spine is not too weak or stiff, but rather just rights?

[@michaelvstheworld3680]

Easton Procomp is where it is at for me. EDIT: There is ONLY Nockturnal for a .166. Drives me nuts.

[@duramax400ci]

Firenock I think has .166

[@michaelvstheworld3680]

@@duramax400ci those are too complicated and too heavy. Thank you for the heads up though.

[@kentlaurent6836]

No elk hunting videos this year?

[@jmboz]

What app was that?

[@MrBanolicious]

Archery pal

[@stephenlaney_bjj]

I am surprised MFJJ did not say, Mutha Foc'r

[@ABQfitness]

Is Cory going to be on the podcast ?

[@ElkShape]

Check out ElkShape Podcast EP 137 -Dan

[@jaceconnor9770]

Dang it love the video second

[@ElkShape]

you DA man!

[@85ZERO17]

WHY THE DISSIMILAR MATERIALS ON THE FOCUS SYSTEM. WHY NOT STAINLESS/STAINLESS OR ALUM/ALUM

[@MrBanolicious]

They do have aluminum/aluminum. It weighs 80 gr. The 100 gr system is aluminum/steel.

[@EntryLvloutdoors]

A ton of foc

[@EntryLvloutdoors]

A focton of foc

[@ElkShape]

no doubt!

[@rontakayama6379]

I have left multiple voice messages and multiple emails to black eagle regarding shipping method to hawaii. Because i really wanted to try their deep impact shafts. And I got no response via call or email. Their customer service is a big 0

[@catnipples4]

good info as always Dan. enjoy the shit out of these videos! but they end up costing me $$

[@ElkShape]

ABT

[@Graygoatoutdoors111]

not going to use a 4 millimeter

[@dusanpavlovic2201]

changing arrows like socks

[@EBair]

More cory miller videos! Guy is a wealth of information

[@josephgilliand4]

I shot a bear in my pajamas! How the bear got into my pajamas.....

[@HuntsT]

I can assure you if he shot a black eagle arrow into concrete with anything over a 50lb bow...it shattered. Guaranteed.

[@xxxarcheryxxx]

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[@michaelmolinajr5735]

FIRST AGAIN!!!

[@ElkShape]

Word up!!

[@jordang94]

abt

[@longshotdiedtired1582]

Black eagle cheap Chinese crap ! Worst arrows I’ve ever shot as far as durability very disappointed with them