ARCHERY SHOP OWNERS "SPILL THE BEANS"

[@ElkShape]

Public Land Hustle 2.0 #PLH2.0 coming in hot December 13th.. Premiere is scheduled looking forward to sharing all of our 2021 hunts with you!! - Tim & Dan

[@Rudolfisareindeer]

Speaking as an electrician, if you buy the wire AND beer usually we'll wire up a few things for free.

[@The-Gun-Show]

Lmao how is this comment getting no love😂

[@limjahey3119]

+1. The bow tech at my local shop hasn’t charged me for labor yet. He easily could, but he’s the kind of guy that if you come in, buy your stuff from him, and dont act like an ass, he’ll hook you up.

[@chrissears6656]

As a fellow electrician I can vouch for this statement

[@CleanConnections]

I gave our electrician crystal meth and he wired my whole house, the cat and the goldfish to the tv remote 🤦🏻

[@trevinjacobson6655]

Gotta add, it is definitely on everyone else to clean up afterwards. Clean up was not part of the arrangement

[@bobby398]

When I got back into archery, i walked into a well known, respected shop and said “i know nothing please help me, set me up and coach me, this is my budget” and that really set me on the right path to success

[@Elkslaya1]

The Archery Shoppe in Albuquerque is where I bought my first bow. They gave me lessons and I’ve never looked back! Love those folks!

[@silentassassin1108]

The only thing I don’t like about some bow shops is they aren’t nearly as helpful and act like you are wasting their time if you bring a bow in that you didn’t buy from them. I’ve had a couple shops be extremely rude for this reason.

[@thistledewoutdoors3331]

Exactly.... Even if you bought 2 previous bows from the same company - they want you to buy the new flagship bow...

[@eric8851]

Let's not forget that not everyone of us can or wants to drop 2k on a new bow every year. That said my money is still green.

[@lspostma]

I don't follow a lot of archery pages or shop tube stuff because I am too busy to sit and watch KZbin as an archery shop owner/operator. This video is a great example of some of the things most shop owners go through DAILY with customers, sometimes back-to-back with one after another, and even sometime with the same customer the very next time they visit the store. We are here FOR the customer's success... it only makes sense that if we help you be more successful, you'll (hopefully) return the favor. Kudos Josh, Dan and Cory.

[@thebootbowhunting7413]

Ive had a bow shop in my house for a decade now, mostly out of wanting to work on my own bow and self reliance, but also because of less than stellar experiences in pro shops. I respect these guys speaking the truth from their side, and I think both are coming from the right place to begin with. You should do a vid with customers the same way and their bad experiences in bow shops so maybe we can make the experience better for everyone. 360 degree constructive criticism.

[@jackbuendgen389]

💯

[@kennethlake1969]

I agree totally! One of the reasons I do all my stuff at home in my own shop

[@crabwalk1891]

100% why my bow shop in my garage!

[@thebootbowhunting7413]

@@crabwalk1891 Right, most people like working on their own bow, some guys don’t have the time or maybe financial means to buy everything and need bow shops. I do agree that people expecting service for free or cheap is something that needs to change. Working on a bow and doing it right is time consuming and the techs should be compensated fairly for that time and knowledge. But it’s a 2 way street. Let’s hear the other side of it along with this video so all sides can understand the problems and how to fix them. Ultimately I don’t want to rely on anyone else and am glad I made the investment in equipment and time learning. I like doing the work, fletching, tuning, etc.

[@dionysis84]

Hey RK, I have been considering working on my own stuff & setting up an area in the garage as I have the space. What would it take to get setup to at least tune my own bow and say tie in my own peeps, d loop, etc.. what is the best press to get started with that would be considered safest?

[@bryanschneider4895]

Great video. Cory is 100%. I didn’t know anything about archery and and he set me up and coached me in his shop. He would walk by me when I was shooting and see me doing something wrong and he would say try this it might help and it would. He never made me feel uncomfortable while I was there shooting because he was always wanting to help without

[@xxxarcheryxxx]

Thanks Bryan.

[@justinpairman]

@@xxxarcheryxxx Ever since I came into XXX years ago with Sean Galloway, I have never looked back from shooting Black Eagle Rampage’s. They have been built the same from the day you built my first dozen. Been a while but thanks for all the help back then.

[@bryanparryhunter]

Thank you for the words of wisdom. From my experience, the pro shop does alot they don't charge for. A reflected arrow here. A small pointer here. The consultation alone on what you should and shouldn't get per your setup is worth hundreds of dollars. They save you buying equipment that won't work for you and they are saving you the time to find that out. Time is priceless.

[@Hydra70964]

I can’t remember which video it was but I still laugh about it today. There was a comment you made along the lines of “I knew you wouldn’t want me to move the rest. You were on vacation so I moved the rest.” Haha.

[@bartonmd]

I had to start shooting a thumb button 2-3 weeks before season last year, because I messed up my wrist and couldn't have a wrist strap on my wrist anymore. And yeah, that was a bit of a learning curve!

[@8michael7]

Thank you. You just confirmed my suspicion. I have had my bow tuned a couple times and paid pretty good money to do so. (same shop each time). when ever I get it back my arrow flies terrible and paper tuning is bad. So I end up moving the rest. Not sure what they actually do when they tune it so figured it was my due diligence to paper tune myself.

[@claybone799]

In my humble opinion, the only way to properly fine tune/paper tune a bow is for the technician to have the bow owner there to fire the bow and make adjustments based on the the bow owners shooting style/form. How can the shop tech tune a bow "for someone"? The person that owns the bow will simply not shoot the bow the same as the technician, which can absolutely cause the arrow to fly differently from person to person. I build and tune my own bows for this reason because I have not had good luck with shop bow techs. Either they are rude or short or they just want to get you out the door and on to the next customer and I end up having to make small adjustments myself anyway. Archery is an art. It's not like buying a gun, anyone can shoot a gun and they don't need to be set up to shoot for an individual person, at least not anywhere near what it takes to set up a bow for a particular person. Shooting a bow, whether for target or hunting is a process, learning experience and a constant struggle to perfect your form and shot execution.

[@macbarb12]

You need to keep up a series like this! Amazing idea and so helpful!!!

[@ElkShape]

thank you so much

[@benjaminjack7760]

Hell yes boys!!! Gonna loop this on my shop TV.

[@stevenrupp9190]

A word of caution about the big box stores. I worked in one for 4 years. My first assignment was archery because my background check was not yet finished (so I couldn't sell guns yet). I had hunted with a recurve 40 years ago and I could spell compound, therefore I was qualified to work archery. There was no training program! Thank you internet, I learned a crapload from the internet. My point is go to an archery shop for their expertise. In a box store, lord only knows what kind of experience is standing behind the counter!

[@ElkShape]

Word!!

[@bamikefoxtrot561]

I had the opposite when I had my first bow setup/tuned... I tried/offered to pay the local shop to setup and tune it and they refused to take my money. I had to buy t-shirts to get him to take my money.

[@robertchapman2481]

We’ve got two bow shop in Albuquerque N.M. very hard to get their attention and for someone like me thats needing a lot of help I feel very helpless, but I’m spending lots of time on KZbin so thank you for the video’s.

[@seanc77339]

Great video. I love my local pro shop...go there for all my answers. Coyote Creek Archery in Rochester MN, will go above and beyond for every customer.

[@joshuaryan980]

Could you guys do a video on how to work out specifically for increasing your ability to daw your bow and how you keep your cardio up, on the off season? While going in-depth on how this workout will help you?

[@AussieArcher1234]

Tip.. YOUR over Bowed , The only workout is to shoot every day or at least 5 times a week, I shoot 55lbs and between 50 to 120 arrows a day , that will keep you bow fitness up, your eye in, Shoot lower lbs and more shots .

[@bigjimar77]

I had an archery reset up my bow. It was over an hour drive for me. The shop was recommended by a friend. They blew me away with their service. They took the time to tune it, put in a peep, and paper tune for $40. I will definitely be back just because of their service.

[@bigjimar77]

Archery shop

[@keithtompkins1088]

From a trusted shop yes. I paid over 300 to have cracked limbs replaced and tune. Upon paper shooting to check my d loop was over a half inch low. I since changes shops

[@Jericho_bella]

Very nicely put gentlemen

[@sssleepy422]

this was a great video! as i am starting out to shoot my compound bow more i can already relate with some of the truth spoken here. gotta feel your shots

[@hellcatoutdoors]

Love this video great info and shop talk

[@MrFishguy60]

Great video, I met Cory in 2017 at his shop in Rainer Or., a great guy, I learned a lot from him. I bought several bows from him.

[@WildTines]

Enjoyed the video! Being 2 hours from a pro shop sucks but everytime I have gone there I am sure I have learned something new and usually guilty of walking out with some products to try out.

[@derekneu6524]

I'm actually going to be heading into SVA today to get some arrows I ordered a couple weeks ago. I'm sure I will be paying josh quite a bit in the near future for his experience and labor as I have a new (to me) bow I'm setting up and am new to bows in general. I, too, am a business owner and know the cost of knowledge. I have no problem paying for quality, and always try to keep it local when I can. Great video, and most of these principles mfjj was talking about are applicable to mostly any service industry, especially ones that are craft based.

[@ElkShape]

Very cool to hear Derek!

[@joshcatanzaro6220]

LMAO strings literally came off while pulling back whole in the pro shop as the tech asked me too. It actually freaking happens 😂

[@jayonez137]

I drive 5 hrs to another state to buy and have my bows tuned properly while I hang out there. I’ve tried them all and nobody compares. I am happy to schedule and make the road trip out there when needed. I know it will be done right and no bullshit

[@bv12ringer]

Me too

[@bv12ringer]

As a matter of fact, I was at the shop which is one state over when a guy in a diesel pusher drove up and got out and bought 5 bows and paid to have them all set up for the archery challenge they were attending

[@jayonez137]

@@bv12ringer Not to mention I’m buying bows A hell of a lot cheaper than my local shops. I paid $999 for my V3-31 last year with upgraded camo. And I just bought the V3X 29 in granite for $1050 this year. Cash No tax!

[@GlideorDieSwimbaits]

i went to a shop after i got my dads bow got it set up to me whipped out my card and the guy was like “what are you doing? don’t worry bout i’m not charging u” 😂

[@craigpepper4779]

Really good session, thanks Gents. Cheers from South Africa

[@sharpoutdoors3368]

I genuinely had my string pop off this season and no clue how. Happened between the truck and my hunting spot in the dark. Only thing I could think is it hung up on a limb in the brush and pulled it off the side or something

[@chrisgolden8199]

Thanks for this. I have been a clueless customer.

[@BowMadOutdoors]

This was some great information, good learning, thanks,

[@vancejohnson1778]

Awesome stuff, already working towards next season and getting better!

[@Toneytwotimes]

Bow techs should be compensated for sure. I’m brand new so the only question I’ll ask, is if I can watch them do it. Only so I can learn how to do it for myself in the future and have a better understanding of my equipment.

[@davids970]

Bought a brand new v3x29 with integrated rest and spot hog sight and the other Mathews accessories. Cost me 2400$ and Lancaster didn't even tune the thing. If t would be nice to know how to properly tune the bow these technical videos are gold. It would be better for me to learn that myself

[@StanielP]

Wish they could''ve talked for hours. I'd love to hear a podcast like that

[@davidyoung1427]

Very well said gentleman, very well said.👍

[@ElkShape]

thanks G

[@stevenmorgan6816]

Thank you!

[@jackbuendgen389]

I LOVE these knowledge bomb episodes!

[@mikemitchell9157]

I had my mathews dealer say he tuned my bow and I had a consistent tear to the right. All he did set the center shot and sighted it in at 20. Check your shit at the shop speacially when you're supposed to tune with tophats on mathews

[@stokermeister3]

Great advice for archery and training to do the job right but there is archery places different county’s in Ireland where I live but there closed due to covid 😷 and the so called Hoyt in Ireland dealer told me that it would not pay him for servicing my bow 😤 so I’m just going to get a bow press and getting new bow strings 👍

[@kevinraabe8643]

Great info. Thank you I am very new to archery and I need all the help I can get

[@TLhike]

This channel is a University. New sub

[@stevenhornbuckle8007]

Need more of this!

[@jeremyhurtubise6551]

I know this is a older video but I feel you guys left one thing out. When you go to a pro shop you become part of a family. At least that’s the way it is with the shop I go to. But again and as usual awesome video

[@ElkShape]

Great point!

[@JamesBrown-lq8rm]

I love the truthfulness. I remember something my pro shop owner said to me 25 years ago. I was fairly new to the gig then and was convinced paper tear was bad because of the bow being out of tune. All he said as he walked away was”are you sure it’s the bow”. I was mad at the time but I still think of that comment today when I am having trouble getting a new bow to tune. He is still right…all these years later. Now, I won’t let my friends or myself go anywhere else. Pro shops are the best!!!

[@nwolf9354]

If you can get one bow to tune but not another, then yes it's the bow. Now it may be the way you are shooting that bow, but its still the bow. Ergonomics are an important part of tuning. If you can't get a bow to shoot straight because of the way it fits you then change the bow to fit you. That is still part of tuning. If you can't get any bow to tune, we'll thats not the bow.

[@Miketheman009]

Typical bow shop instead of explaining or educating they just walked off and say a smart ass comment

[@NonAbidingDude]

Buddy bought either a Parker of a Darton (can't remember) at BPS in around 2012. It blew up in his hands right next to me. I've bow hunted for 26 years at that point on and off. I owned a press, did all of my own and others work for years. Anyway, Took it back and they tried to say he dry fired it. Nock was fine, he didn't release. Come to find out, the manufacturer had put the wrong pin in the lower cam (from a kids bow if memory serves) and it snapped. It's not always the customers fault. We, the customers, aren't always wrong.

[@jasonard7227]

awesome more of this plz...

[@longdrawarcher4857]

I love that American dad was playing on the tv 😂

[@ElkShape]

lol Josh is a crack up

[@pensfan907]

My buddy paid a pro shop to put a new sight and rest and tune his bow and they didn't even center shot it. Me as an amateur could see the rest was off, took some measurements and it was a 1/16 off. So rule of thumb not all pro shops are always pros.

[@Frozenlife2]

I been shooting index my whole life and last year switch to thumb button and I put my ego aside and talked to some guys that shoot thumb button and just picked there brain and shot at the range with them.

[@cmperrine4176]

Ha! My little girls bow I just had new strings etc. Put on. She has never shot it. I picked up by the string qent to set it on the bed so I could put some wish bone silencers on it. I felt the The littlest change in the string and it was off the Cam. Really low draw weight. Now I know when I take it in he is going to think we dry fired it. 🤣

[@TheChattanoogaBandit]

I realize some people don’t want to work on their own bow, but imho you’ll never get the attention to detail to tune your own bow absolutely perfectly inside a pro shop, atleast around here, they’re simply too busy, you can get it very close don’t get me wrong. But support podium archer and/or you local pro shop but buying a bow press and get yourself dialed in. I bought an EZ green from podium archer, never been happier! Question for MFJJ, what’s the best way to support you local pro shop when you do bow work yourself?

[@jackbuendgen389]

Buy arrows, broadheads, releases, sights, and ect from your pro shop of choice. Oh and JOIN THEIR SHOOTING LEAGUE!

[@ElkShape]

there is nothing wrong with tuning your own bow... but at the end of the day there will always be a need to go to a good shop... especially when you run into a tuning problem and need some sage advice - TC

[@KennyB9871]

You guys da best! 🙌

[@iansandoval2908]

Next video should be MFJJ proving he can dunk!

[@ElkShape]

Lol I'm skeptical too bro! - tc

[@brpnw4r94]

Truth on all aspects, brothers.

[@JustinWoodTV]

I always admit the first time I threw my strings I was NOT paying attention. I had been shooting for an hour or so, I drew back and let her fly just to here the worst sound ever. Again I wasnt paying attention and drew back with NO arrow. It was 100% my fault. lol

[@eric8851]

I went to the bow shop recently and wanted to pay for a paper tuning. Bow tech said let's see it" looked at it for a minute then turned and said "did you do this yourself?" And kinda smirked. To which I replied "no you did" he tuned it for free to save face..... problem was for the last 3 months it shot like trash.

[@thomaslathrop5438]

This happened to me, went to bow shop to get my cross bow worked on (new strings). Brought it home shot it about 10 times and the strings came off,,,,i noticed the clips was missing that hold the rods in place (cams). Bow tech guy clowned on me, wouldn't believe me. I was filming and you see the bolt then boom it happened. Some people tell the truth.

[@colbykinney5633]

I don't have a good bow shop near me. There is one shop that won't let the customer shoot the bow that is getting paper tuned. They said people torque the bow and get a false tear. I told them that defeats the purpose but they didn't agree 🤦

[@stevenlombardi3665]

Hello Elk Shape. I was just at a shop and tried the V3X 33 and the PSE EF 33. I am looking for a 80% 3D bow, 10% field shooting, 10% hunting. I am 29.5 inch draw and I really was not able to pick between these two. Mostly because I really did not know what to look for. I also felt rushed as I know the shop needs to make money, so having a person stand there was very nervous to me. Can you help me understand what to look for and what to do when testing a bow at a shop. Please and thank you.

[@ElkShape]

Look for a bow that feels the best in hand, holds the steadiest, and you have the most confidence in!

[@CharlieNDaTree]

Thanks, took some goods out of this. Working on release and not shooting if it the shot doesn’t feel right

[@trevinjacobson6655]

To Josh’s last point on only shooting good shots, at our local range when someone lets down instead of shooting a bad shot everyone says “good shot” for knowing to not fire that arrow. Always thought that was pretty cool

[@cdbarri1978]

Love my local proshop! Customer service is great! I don't mind spending my money with them. Mom and pop rules!

[@tylarsamek2075]

Quick question does the ascent verdict 4 inch dovetail fit in the new Mathews v3x. I noticed it has a different shape from the pro sight by black gold

[@drivenbyarchery8676]

Good video. The problem with pro shops is unfortunately that allot are ran by people who decided to open one and has no idea what they’re doing. I was in a shop this year and a guy told the salesman he needed a new sight. The guy pushed a black gold 5 pin slider on him and he told the guy it was his first bow and was only shooting out to 30. They wanted the money. Iv had the had the same shop tell my friends they wont put on knock sets on because they dont need it. (They do need it). Lol. My favorite is when you walk in and adk if you can get help with paper tuning your bow and they shoot it through paper then tell you its good. Got to many stories to tell. I just tell all my buddies buy the bow and all the add ons stop by and we will tune u up. Wish we had shoos like yours around little rock Arkansas. Keep up the good videos.

[@d500mag2]

sounds like gellco in ft smith

[@mikemitchell9157]

Tell black eagle to make it easier to find the outserts for the deep impact 300 spine on Amazon

[@colebennion5684]

Thanks guys! Always learn something from your videos! Was curious on the commitment to learn how to shoot correctly with any release, if a shot trainer would be a good option to help you learn how to run the release properly?

[@chrisroman5631]

Love black eagle carnivore and deep impact arrows

[@nicolasmora5395]

I ran into a pro shop owner in the woods in September so we bs’d a little and that was one of his pet peeves. People who come into the shop and say “well Dudley said this, or hanes says that”. When people come in for help but only want to do what they hear on the internet. To hear it from another pro shop owner, it’s probably really frustrating for them.

[@livingadreamlife1428]

I have a buddy who owns a shop that is Top 10 for Mathews & Hoyt. He’s also an experienced bowhunter and one of the most knowledgeable bow tech in the industry. He joined a large FB forum to help promote the Sport and help people by offering advice, directions. He eventually left the group because inexperienced “know-it-alls” made it miserable by arguing about everything mostly because of what they’d heard or that some guy told them, etc. People can be a pain sometimes.

[@Fishin-mission1]

I need to get me a bow. Going to start next year and I want to start practicing now lol.

[@jackmoran6045]

The best part is the string coming apart doesn’t just happen. I had actually purchased a used bow from a a shop had it set up for me by the new kid there and it apparently wasn’t put back together right drew back and my strings came off and cams came unbolted. Still new to archery but I took it back imidiatly shop agreed it was new kids fault and I’m prob the only kid in the world to actually be able to say I drew back and it came apart

[@stevejohnston1272]

Dumb question... Do archery shops frown on customers coming in who have already bought the new bow, sight, rest, etc., and just want it assembled/tuned correctly?

[@seandavis3407]

Hey guys love the content. I have to ask what watch does Dan wear?

[@nwolf9354]

I've been to two shops that used brown masking paper to tune bows. I had to show the tech at one of them by moving the rest right in front of him, that that paper was showing bullet holes almost no mater what. Just because someone gets paid to do something doesn't mean they are good at it. Not all shops are bad. But not all shops are good either.

[@prestonward9380]

I might of missed it in the vid but what is the shop called cuz when I looked up elkshape nothing showed up for as far as a archery shop

[@trihall2273]

Most excellent🎉

[@williamworkman1468]

I really trust my pro shop. I'm 28 and have been working with my bow tech since I was 11. We don't agree on everything but you can bet your ass he knows how to tune. For him I've learned the biggest thing is what are you wanting to do?

[@GotAerialllc]

Isnt a miss fire diffrent from a dry fire?

[@crazyasian1975]

Not to sound like a broken record but another great video and info. Keep it up and thanks again.

[@ElkShape]

We never get tired of hearing that 🤘

[@davidvalentine9392]

Awesome video!

[@mikeshuntingtails1031]

Had a shop tune my bow, didn't touch my rest, changed all my top hats, he used a different type of release than I do and different arrows than I shoot. Needless to say my "tune" was wtf off. Had an 1" tear, Got my self a bow press and made a.paper tune rack. Moved top hats around via KZbin video information.Shot it myself because how 1 person shoots is different than how another person does. Never trusting the "experts" to tune my bow, may ask for tips but no one is ever tuning my bow for me again, kind of a heads up for future archers. You shoot different from any other person.

[@sethlindsey1359]

I've seen a guy derail his string. It bent both cams. He was extremely over bowed and it was horrendous.

[@MulliganLife]

Wish I had a Pro Shop near me I could put trust in.

[@justinortz2854]

Problem with tuning is their is so many shops that absolutely can't do it

[@jsejmsletson]

I let my bow down this year in a stand and the string rolled off the cam. I 100% had an arrow nocked, it sprung and dropped in the tree below me. It scared the shit out me me, then pissed me off cause it ruined my hunt. I ran to my shop directly afterwards to have my bow checked because I had never hard of this happening. I wanted to make sure the cams weren't bent or out of time or what the hell happened. They said if I had a kung fu power grip on it while letting down, I could have torqued enough to pull the string off the cam. This all sounds like bullshit to me and now I'm nervous everytime I squeeze a shot off. Anyone heard of this or had experienced this? I did have a strong grip while letting down because the string jump makes me nervous, but still never heard of this happening. I should mention my release was still attached to my d loop after my let down.

[@absolutearcherycenterrange573]

You torqued the bow

[@benthere404]

You shouldn't be squeezing the grip at all when shooting and strings can be torqued enough, especially with shorter axle to axle bows, to come off track. When drawing back, try lightly touching the front of the grip with just your index finger. Don't over power the bow, consistently finesse it.

[@palmibyron3054]

I have actually had a pro shop really jack up tuning a brand new bow. Ended up taking it to another shop after the shop it was purchased at claimed it was my shooting form. When the other shop tuned it I got to watch and I will never go back to the other shop. Honestly the guy should not be running a shop after seeing what he said was good. So the best advice is find a good pro shop.

[@josephfolsom2030]

Cory, Which shop in Oregon did you own? I’m an Oregonian.

[@scottseidel1429]

Lol josh sits down and hes still eye level with dan.

[@michaelyanni4422]

Thanks

[@HillDill]

Why do I have bow technicians roll their eyes whenever I say I want my bow in center shot at 13/16"? Drives me nuts.

[@acemeister5647]

I remember when Tim gillingham dry fired A bow on camera 😅

[@StanielP]

I don't like when shop owners think anyone new in their shop is one of these yahoos these guys are making fun of.

[@bryanhartney9195]

New adult to bow hunting that is cross dominate. It's it better to buy a bow for your dominate hand or for your dominate eye?

[@ElkShape]

You want to shoot with your dominant eye!! Hope that helps - TC

[@bryanhartney9195]

@@ElkShape thank you.

[@randyhutch50]

Your info on releases is right on. I have some target panic, I think it's from shooting the DART system too much, and you are right you can make any release punch out . Thumb index or back tension/hinge

[@YonderWizerd]

A lot of fellas I know have bought fancy nock 2 it’s and I still shoot them under the table with my old index finger

[@richarddean3154]

I take my bow into the local archery shop (Mouldy's Archery & Tackle) and I will pay any price for them to set it up for me. With their setup, I get straight arrow flight. Why is it that I see arrows flying crooked on hunting channels, when these gentlemen can just as easily take their bows into the experts and get the same results?

[@Andrew_Eller]

Unfortunately my local pro shop is quantity over quality :(