Testing the EOS R | Sharpness, Rolling Shutter & Autofocus

[@DavTechCH]

This is literally the first video of you that i watch and i must say ... the aesthetics and general quality of the video is very pleasing. keep up the great work !

[@ProAVTV]

Thanks! Glad you liked it Carl

[@admiralking]

Best rolling shutter comparison I’ve ever seen!

[@jjproductions9538]

That's a kind of review I wanted from the beginning. But I also want to know how the EOS R compare to the GH5

[@ProAVTV]

We do look at footage from both the EOS R and GH5 in our Mirrorless comparison for the BMPCC4K: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpKqZJqbeJejnZI Carl

[@GeorgeAtanassov]

Carl. Thank you so much for the work you put in for these. Hat off.

[@buckandbirdiemedia]

One of the best reviews

[@darlingtonjonesimagery9247]

Would want to see 5d iv versus EOS R comparison in depth

[@AshvonChamier]

Great little beast. Thanks for the tests!

[@AlanJMash]

Just got my EOS R, so far so good. Will have an external recorder soon to get the broadcast/cine specs when I need it. Good vid...

[@ProAVTV]

An Atomos Ninja V goes really well with the EOS R: www.proav.co.uk/atomos-ninja-v Carl

[@DB-nl9xw]

This is a product review. This is how it's supposed to be done. Congrats.

[@ProAVTV]

Thanks! Glad you liked it Carl

[@mattthomas1652]

Thank you for a very useful and objective demonstration of the camera system. I can see why the camera has been so controversial, but many of your demonstrations have shown how competent the new system can be when used in the right hands.

[@PromoMoviescomau]

Thank you for these tests Carl- very useful information once again!

[@thatcherfreeman]

Using the full frame mode on the Sony a7r3 seemed like a mistake. The super 35 mode in 4k is sharper and more comparable to the crop factor of the other two cameras because it does a oversampled readout of that entire section of the sensor rather than pixel binning.

[@jmich5123]

Thank you! +1 sharpness!!

[@MaxwellAinley]

Brilliant video mate, just what I was looking for, spot on. Subbed.

[@ProAVTV]

Glad you found it useful! Dan

[@ProAVTV]

Glad it helped! Carl

[@wendriftwood1952]

The difference in 4K external recording is caused by incorrect level mapping in Atomos products, they all expect video range signal input but all DSLR/mirrorless cameras output full range (0-255 vs 16-235).

[@daltonrandall4348]

Why can't black just be black and red just be red?

[@bietmirnix]

Thanks for this constructive and unbiased review

[@ProAVTV]

No problem, thanks for watching Carl

[@KJ-8000]

Fantastic review!!!

[@ProAVTV]

Thanks! Carl

[@talialiber2389]

Great review! The Canon RF 24-105/4 seems to be free of focus breathing. Is it? Thanks!

[@jshum02]

Do you know how bad the rolling shutter is in low light conditions in the silent shutter mode where people are moving shooting with high iso (theater). i can't make noise :-( It was listed as concern on DPReview

[@JayMaasRecording]

Fantastic job love this

[@MLee-vcrr]

Excellent tests and great video! i just received my EOS R yesterday and plan to use mostly the Sigma Art series lenses. Sigma advises users to turn off a specific feature in the Lens correction menu on their website. Please consider doing some tests with third party adapted lenses.

[@ProAVTV]

Glad you liked the tests. The sigma lenses are great. Thats interesting, I will take a look at that on their website. Carl

[@MartinLachmairPhotoVideo]

Welldone and very informative … Maybe, only maybe, for the sharpness Test I would prefer an other object like newspaper letters and line charts or something like this. But anyway, I liked to watch this video!

[@ProAVTV]

Thats not a bad idea at all. As boring as charts are.. they do show sharpness differences much better. Next time I will use a chart. Carl

[@StephenVStone]

Still camera shots of still subjects with limited DOF are of very little value in a sharpness test as it fails to test codec, bitrates and overall sensor/codec performance under stress. A pain or zoom over a complex detailed landscape with everything in perfect focus is a far better test - that's where the EOS R has looked weak in tests. Your sharpness is only revealing a small part - sensor in basically still mode. Charts are slightly better because of the everything in focus but luminance and chrominance simplicity means codec stress is not factor either. You basically need a shot that is going to peak the bitrate every frame to see any differences of value to real world shooting.

[@SportFlow]

@@StephenVStone you're completely right. Static shots perform well in every camera. You should shot smoke, rain, moving water, etc to stress the codec and really see the differences.

[@SuperSuperka]

Max Yuriev did a proper sharpness test/comparison

[@daycreek]

Agree about the sharpness test. I kinda dislike sharpeness tests using charts, but if you had something like fabric or some other more real-world test would be beneficial. That bush doesn't cut it. I have always found Canon to be soft but that's typically a positive when shooting faces since it hides blemishes. However, some of us use video cameras to film wildlife/nature and in most cases sharpness is a positive feature and I always like to see what cameras have to offer with a bird's feather detail, etc.

[@DenisasPupkevicius]

Thanks for video with informative and professional look at eos r.

[@adrianmack9542]

Nice review I have a question did you have noise reduction on when iso was set at 6400 and if so what was the setting?

[@petercerrato8447]

Great comparison! Have you tested the eos r with the ninja v? Also do you find the Sigma 18-35 AF to work well on the R?

[@Philafxs]

I don't think sharpness in camera can save long distance details (easily tested with text, like on number plates). For that I would really like to see a comparison with more other brands to see how it compares with optimal settings.

[@stu9000]

Thank you good review but would love to see a moire test.

[@andryvrs]

We all pro's know that canon don't have good sharpness out of the box. It is the same case with the canon 80d...you have to increase sharpness in post to have a really good image quality. What Canon R offer right now, no other camera offer...the posibility to use ff lanses and also crop lanses at a very very good image quality. Each camera has his twiks...but with the canon, if you know how to handel it...you will get excelent performance. I am not a canon fun. I shoot with all brands...but with the canon it is very easy to work in post...( both stills and video ) and also in the field...best intuitive and easy camera to use. All brands are very good these days...the only problem is that we start to think to much...and feel to little.... These machines helps us to create what we want after a lot of work...machines don't see...or feel...machines just need to be driven. It is just me or the main problem these days is ' The Drivers ??? ' Great video, great comparrison. Kind of open your eyes and drive !!!

[@TylerEdwards]

Can’t you change the AF responsiveness and speed settings in the eso r? Thanks for posting this!

[@ProAVTV]

I can't seem to find any settings for video tracking, only stills AF. Carl

[@greggainsworth2580]

Hi if your in manual movie mode .In single point auto focus only I think. AF tab in the menu page 3 gives you options.Great video!

[@roemerfilm]

@@ProAVTV p. 292 in the EOS R manual, Movie Servo AF speed. Options depend upon lens used. More recent lenses (from '09 on) support slower focus transitions.

[@brainpope6660]

Amazing. Given the fact that neither the C200 nor the EOS-R have an IBIS, the advantage of the C200 basically comes down to internal ND and XLR plus a little bit more of DR (but obviousely not so much to worry about). Now which one to take for a low budget documentary e.g. in Africa? The C200 pops with onboard XLR and the EOS-R with the additional photo capability. If you will need to take photos anyway, a rigged EOS-R with audio and variable ND could be the overall better choice since its only one piece of gear to carry around. If the aquisition format must be 10 bit than it would be the EOS-R anyway) .

[@bobuk5722]

Ergonomics? Size? err, cost? BobUK

[@ProAVTV]

The C200 is a very very different camera. Raw, XLR + audio controls on camera, physical buttons designed for video use, internal ND filter wheel, larger batteries etc. For low budget travel documentaries though the EOS R might well be the better choice though due to its size, cost and flexibility. Plus of course the stills side of the camera. Carl

[@brainpope6660]

@@bobuk5722 In ergonomics the C200 is better hands down. But IF you have to take photos for promos, then the ergonomics are worse - you will need to carry around two devices which also will take more space. Cost? For me the EOS-R is a camera to own, the C200 a camera to rent. So on a three weeks trip the EOS-R will be cheaper. If you own the C200 things may change of course. Big question now is, if broadcasters will accept the EOS-R with external 10-bit recording. If not, then the camera of choice will be the C200 or even the C300 Mark II as usual).

[@arieljgd]

Have you thought of the GH5 or GH5s with a speedbooster?

[@daltonrandall4348]

@@brainpope6660 Actually not everyone likes the tall form factor of the C-series cameras. I've always found the weight distribution poor and awkward to use.

[@SportFlow]

As always, great content. Can't thank you enough for you great work. So, apart from the rolling shutter, the image quality is on par with the c200, right?

[@youtravel2567]

Great video

[@StephenFinneyCheshire]

I film a lot on the Canon XC10 which has also be criticized about it's sharpness, maybe I should try adding plus one in the settings and see what happens

[@p_adam19]

It seems that focus breathing has been improved with the new RF lenses.

[@ProAVTV]

Lots has been improved with the RF lenses. I might well make a video comparing some, 24-105 EF to 24-105 RF, 50 EF to 50 RF etc. Carl

[@p_adam19]

Thanks. One feature that I haven't found too much about is distortion correction during video recording on the EOS R. Does it work with all supported lenses or only with RF lenses?

[@ProAVTV]

@@p_adam19 Not sure to be honest. I imagine Canon would program some of their EF lenses in as well Carl

[@rickong79]

Hi ProAV TV Great Video! Through your video you have clearly show what can be done to improve by just +1 sharpness. I will like to ask if the +1 sharpness applies to the photography / image as well. If you could make a video on that if you have the time. Xmas!

[@enricolongo242]

thanks! btw, look at moire on the shirt

[@Offbeat_Universe]

Did you use Super 35 mode on the A7RIII? or Full Frame?

[@Roman.the.explorer]

way better review than from Peter

[@Fotovliegtuig]

Thank you, intersting

[@raredreamfootage]

I'm disappointed in the camera shake from the autofocus!

[@mannyvidsnyc]

im confused. im watching this on my 5k iMac pro display, in 4k. the c2oo image looks a lot less sharper and detail than the ones with levels added on the EOSR. i will also add that i have 20/20 vision and saw the eye doctor 3 months ago LOL. but seriously, we are seeing different pics here.

[@radeknazwisko9180]

i look my video with eos R, they look terrible.

[@cyclops4690]

the red is not red on the c200 - it is magenta

[@BrunoMassao]

Because it's Canon Log 3. You have to adjust in post - he even mention in the video. The original Canon Log does a fair better color rendition, but lacks in dynamic range. The C200 with the original Canon Log would look a lot similar with the shot from the EOS R in this regard.

[@ProAVTV]

The C200 does seem to have a slight native shift towards magenta in the reds when using Clog 3 & Mp4 which I have not seen on any other canon cameras. It is easily graded out though Carl

[@fotomaton7852]

@@ProAVTV CLOG3 color science changed on C200 to be more Arri Alexa like. You can actually choose in between Original EOS (C100/300) & (C200) Neutral color matrixes inside EOS R's Log settings to best match your footage..

[@allencrider]

Full-frame sensor and it needs fake sharpness applied . . .

[@MJamilHoque]

I can't understand why reviews of the Canon EOS-R Is positive. For the Money, the EOS-R and Nikon Z camera's are far behind in the technology they offer. Brand's such as, Sony, Panasonic and Fujifilm have gained more of the market.

[@tavarishamilton]

Because you don't control the personal thoughts of others. You want him o hate the camera because others do? STFU