Testing the W.W.S.D. Rifle (Ultralight Space Gun)

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@SinistralRifleman
@SinistralRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
The KP-15 Magwell is optimized for Gen 3 PMAGs and USGI. I have old lancers from 2013 that work. I have some from 2019 that work. The 2020+ date coded mags don’t work.
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 2 жыл бұрын
Any idea what the cause is?
@kmikzikrs
@kmikzikrs 2 жыл бұрын
is it a mag catch issue or magwell issue?
@DD-hz3ts
@DD-hz3ts 2 жыл бұрын
@@thegoldencaulk2742 lancers have high tension on follower and this is well known because of how infamous they are for tac reloads (you always have to smack them in, or it won't seat) My guess is that as it's feeding down from 30, the force from the round clearing the feed lips and having the next round pop up is causing the lower to flex enough to make the catch jump the notch It's not a magwell spec issue because otherwise USGIs (which lancers match, hence why they work in SCARs/F2000s) wouldn't work either
@SinistralRifleman
@SinistralRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
@@thegoldencaulk2742 my limited sampling showed something changed on the magazine that allowed them to tilt more than earlier production in the Magwell.
@joecentral-o9984
@joecentral-o9984 2 жыл бұрын
I love a rifle that doesn't use standard magazines. So worth the pricetag
@wenku8471
@wenku8471 2 жыл бұрын
I paid $1776. Brownells was going to charge me shipping. I let them know that would RUIN the price. They agreed. They are awesome. Buy Brownells.
@BaritoneMonkey
@BaritoneMonkey 2 жыл бұрын
That.. is amazing. Lol.
@user936
@user936 2 жыл бұрын
As a Bretonnian, I both understand and yet disagree with this comment.
@pablowentscobar
@pablowentscobar 2 жыл бұрын
That's awfully based of Brownells.
@negativeanalysis
@negativeanalysis 2 жыл бұрын
jebus
@colerobertson4411
@colerobertson4411 2 жыл бұрын
@@user936 this might be the most based cope I've ever seen well done sir
@anthonygreen1579
@anthonygreen1579 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I shoot an AR and hear the buffer spring goes sparrowing makes me laugh reminds me of when I was a kid and used to play with the door stop
@life_of_riley88
@life_of_riley88 2 жыл бұрын
To quote Beavis: "Boingoingoingoing!"
@michaelblacktree
@michaelblacktree 2 жыл бұрын
When the bolt locks back, the buffer spring sounds different. If you listen for it, you can tell the mag is empty without looking.
@AzayBae
@AzayBae 2 жыл бұрын
I think it sounds like a star wars blaster through my Walker's muffs.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
Most of my military service was with the M16 (Air Force version, no forward assist) so the "sproing" actually gives me a bit of nostalgia. You don't really get the "sproing" with the shorter spring of the carbine variants which is probably why it sounds annoying to some people.
@colemanmoore9871
@colemanmoore9871 2 жыл бұрын
I have a shotgun that gives the same "sproing" sound. Every time someone shoots it for the first time, they hold it out and look at it funny.
@tomfrommichigan
@tomfrommichigan 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to thank Russell Phagan from KE Arms. I have no doubt that the redesign of the lower half of the rifle using modern materials was an enormous task. This is going to be remembered as an important stage in the evolution of the "Armalite Rifle".
@SinistralRifleman
@SinistralRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DeviantOllam
@DeviantOllam 2 жыл бұрын
James nailed it at the end: this might not be everyone's *first* AR rifle... but it can easily be anyone's *last* AR rifle. I've built several of the WWSD rifles over the years and this latest 2020 is the pinnacle of the concept. Ian has said it's his "I have to run out of the house and not look back" rifle and i agree. 👍
@TheDarthsteve316
@TheDarthsteve316 2 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the shenanigans and gimmicks you would put in the stock compartment lol. Would love to see that presentation at a convention sometime.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
I think the CDR version could easily be almost anyone's *first* AR rifle. It's the one I would grab in an emergency, edging out the M4 clone that's been my go-to for a decade.
@DeviantOllam
@DeviantOllam 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDarthsteve316 hah, right on. I have a few odd things sometimes. But, sadly, usually the regular stuff. Just make sure your cleaning fluid is FireClean a.k.a. Crisco: good for guns, good for cookin', and good for lovin'
@CrazyKingJammy
@CrazyKingJammy 2 жыл бұрын
Pairing the KP-15 lower with a inexpensive classic upper works out damn well, even for a entry AR15.
@aaronorr5586
@aaronorr5586 2 жыл бұрын
@@DeviantOllam IDK about slathering my Johnson in Crisco or Fireclean...
@matthaft2048
@matthaft2048 2 жыл бұрын
You failed to keep an old dirty MRE spoon in the stock compartment. You are a no go at this station warrior.
@TheLipardi
@TheLipardi 2 жыл бұрын
Just use the charging handle as your spoon mate. It's good.
@mcdoctorglock
@mcdoctorglock 2 жыл бұрын
No Skittles, a no-go for the neckbeard crew.
@snwbrdbum14
@snwbrdbum14 9 ай бұрын
​@@TheLipardi​ there's never been a confirmed kill with a charging handle. If you can keep a backup weapon in the stock, that's a plus.
@admiralpercy
@admiralpercy 2 жыл бұрын
The inrange guys said that the reason they use this polymer lower when previous polymer lowers didn't work well was because previous polymer lowers basically just modeled themselves off of aluminum, they didn't make allowances for areas that needed to be thicker for the polymer.. apparently the lower that they used was designed from the ground up to be polymer
@michaelparks7563
@michaelparks7563 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's pretty awesome too. I'll be ordering soon.
@wishuhadmyname
@wishuhadmyname 2 жыл бұрын
I personally love the KP15 lower. If you like lightweight guns and are comfortable with an A1 length fixed stock, get it. Caveat: the retaining pins are NOT captive. For my last trip to the range I separated the upper and lower to fit my AR in a case. When I was done shooting, I separated the upper and lower, set the pins on the table I was using, put my gun away and went home. If you get just the KP15 lower or the full WWSD rifle, get an extra set of pins or just be smarter than me
@iliketastybread9010
@iliketastybread9010 2 жыл бұрын
What I do to prevent losing my pins is putting them back into just the upper when taking the rifle apart. That way when cleaning they are still attached to the rifle, while also being out of the way.
@user-pn5cc4uj9w
@user-pn5cc4uj9w 2 жыл бұрын
maybe having pin holes to put pins during disassembly like old HKs would be a good idea
@mattfleming86
@mattfleming86 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion that's the biggest detriment to the polymer lower system. I also keep a pair in the buttstock with a gas key wrench, a bore snake, and a little oil. For me it's near a non issue. I wish like HK there were holes to pop 'em in on the rear stock.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 2 жыл бұрын
Why do you need pin holes in the stock when there's already pin holes where the pins go, and you can pop them right back in?
@XDWX
@XDWX 2 жыл бұрын
Put the pins back where they belong after removal and you wont have that problem
@bfish9700
@bfish9700 2 жыл бұрын
I did a home brew of this without the carbon fiber front with one of aero's thunder ranch uppers, it's amazing.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
I did much the same on an AP forged upper and the same barrel but eventually I swapped the barrel for a pencil version because I didn't like the heavy forend. That's just a matter of preference, of course. IMO you can't go wrong starting with the WWSD lower. That flared magwell is da bomb and you can't get that in a conventional lower without considerably flattening your wallet.
@kyleg8928
@kyleg8928 2 жыл бұрын
Same. TR Aero upper, R1 handguard, radian raptor rest is samesame. One of my goto pewpews now.
@MadJustin7
@MadJustin7 2 жыл бұрын
BCM handguard but I compensated for the increased weight by using a titanium gas block and barrel nut. It's weird that they were willing to radically change everything on the gun except for two of the largest pieces of steel on the rifle.
@raylandraybels9462
@raylandraybels9462 2 жыл бұрын
Did my own, MI mlok combat handguard and 3.5lb trigger, bcm elw-f barrel and bcg, and aero precision neutered upper all in fde. 5.5 lbs total w/o optic. Best part is, no more pulled beard hairs.
@keepyourbilsteins
@keepyourbilsteins 2 жыл бұрын
I have 3 kp15 lowers. One with a "sweep the floor" derelict mess of a 5.56 upper on it. Second has a colt upper and the third is a dedicated rimfire barrel. I shoot the latter the most, because poverty. Love them all.
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 2 жыл бұрын
I dig mine for sure
@TheLipardi
@TheLipardi 2 жыл бұрын
My man.
@That_Guy5575
@That_Guy5575 2 жыл бұрын
Wait wait wait, you mean to tell us you have one and haven't done a video about it yet?! I will literally click on the notification as soon as I see you've made a video about it. I love your content, love the idea of the WWSD2020, seems like a great combo.
@thegreenman2030
@thegreenman2030 2 жыл бұрын
He did a short on it, longer video coming in the future.
@kh8655
@kh8655 2 жыл бұрын
I think I remember Ian and Karl saying they used the JP buffer spring because it didn't require a buffer detent basically same idea with the pin set up, they used it so they don't have to drill holes in the lower and reduce its strength
@Goatcha_M
@Goatcha_M Жыл бұрын
IIRC it was actually because it has a smoother recoil or something relate, plus its one part and not two. You still need a tube, but that's built into the stock. The silence thing is just an added perk, as if the noise of a buffer spring means anything next to a rifle report.
@kh8655
@kh8655 Жыл бұрын
@@Goatcha_M Oh no, I didn't mean the buffer tube, I was talking about the buffer tube detent pin which is a small pin used to keep the spring in place when the lower is separated. JP's is a "captured" spring so it doesn't need the pin to keep it in place
@veleriphon
@veleriphon 2 жыл бұрын
It's lightweight, like those shorts. The reason for the captive buffer spring was that the retention plunger could break off, and a solution exists that eliminates the part.
@ct2368
@ct2368 2 жыл бұрын
You're correct.
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6014
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6014 2 жыл бұрын
@@ct2368 I think he knows. That's why he wrote what he wrote😉
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, the solution is called not installing the retention plunger.
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6014
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6014 2 жыл бұрын
@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 huh
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6014
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6014 2 жыл бұрын
@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 huh I believe CT commented to confirm that what the other guy said is right but the other guy knows he was right or he wouldn't have said what he said thus making the comment by CT both unnecessary and unneeded.
@amo757
@amo757 2 жыл бұрын
I built a 6.5 Grendel hunting rifle on a WWSD lower. It is lightweight and performs well. It is a good backpack hunting rifle.
@levimcn112
@levimcn112 2 жыл бұрын
Been wanting to do exactly this. What's your upper situation?
@Vuntermonkey
@Vuntermonkey 2 жыл бұрын
@@levimcn112 I hope he responds. I have lower that needs some love.
@serbrus6469
@serbrus6469 2 жыл бұрын
I done the same but 350 legend. And went with an aluminum bcg and lighten my buffer weight to lighten it up more.
@amo757
@amo757 2 жыл бұрын
Used a 16" Odin barrel and BCG with a Aero Precision handguard.
@amo757
@amo757 2 жыл бұрын
@Chano Leyva i wish I could. It is illegal in Virginia.
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
I have always felt that the M16A1 and XM177 was when the AR was at it's best. I used the original concept, now known as the WWSD concept I guess, to build my 11.5" mountain gun. V7 billet lower, tailhook Mod1C brace with custom fitted LOP tailhook tube, Faxon FA Forged upper, 11.5" Faxon midlength gunner barrel, Jag composites 9" CF handguard, Brownells LW BCG with an H3 buffer (Weight works out the same as a M16 carrier and carbine buffer, but it shifts the weight more to the rear making for a noticeably faster pointing gun). HS 507C on a Scalarworks riser and an Olight PL mini Valkyrie WML. Fully loaded with 20rds of 55gr 5.56mm and a pistol grip servicing kit it weighs 5.7lbs exactly.
@loneghostone6883
@loneghostone6883 2 жыл бұрын
According to "Rifle Accuracy Facts" the density of the barrel adjusts the natural frequency of the barrel. This can work in favor for accuracy, but also work against it. it's important to note that the frequency not only varies with the barrel density, but also with barrel temperature, and how "fast" the rounds fired excite the barrel. One can absolutely make a light barrel just as accurate as a heavy barrel by adjusting ammunition, heavy barrels are just supposed to be more forgiving. Further, "Modern Advancements in Long Range Shooting" found barrel stiffness to be a factor similar to barrel density. This make sense because barrel weight and stiffness adjust the natural frequency of the barrel, and it appears the natural frequency is what impacts accuracy. Now, does this matter for the level of accuracy a general-use AR-15 is going for? not really IMO.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
The funny thing about accuracy is that you can make a lot of generalizations but at the end of the day a rifle may defy all the conventional wisdom. I have a gently-used USGI M1 carbine that will shoot 1.5" at 100 yards all day long while my other two hold softball-sized groups which is normal for the type. Why? Who knows? Probably just a lucky combination of parts. I've seen expensive ARs that shoot crap groups and nothing seems to help. I'm not saying barrel construction doesn't matter -- it definitely does -- but only the very best shooters are likely to see a difference between good and excellent barrels.
@davidgoodnow269
@davidgoodnow269 2 жыл бұрын
@@itsapittie It would be interesting to take all three of those M1 carbines, weigh the operating rods, and tap each operating rod and barrel to find their frequency. My guess is that the answer is either there, or possibly in the chamber throat, rifling, and crown. Slugging each bore would show if the rifling in the more accurate carbine is deeper and cleaner. If all of those come up a head-scratcher, it's possible the most accurate barrel is simply straighter with fewer tiny imperfections, but that should show up in the first, harmonic frequency, test. Lessons learned at a Type 56 Norinco factory.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidgoodnow269 That's kind of what I mean by "lucky combination of parts." It would be interesting but I don't have the skills to do it or the money to pay for it. It would be tempting to say that the other two are just more worn but a new-from-the-factory M1 carbine typically wouldn't deliver 1.5 MOA. It's possible that it's been shot "just enough" for all the parts to wear in to a perfect match. IDK. It's kinda cool to have it, though.
@davidgoodnow269
@davidgoodnow269 2 жыл бұрын
@@itsapittie It doesn't take any special gear or training (unless you slug the bore, but that just takes a .308-.310" pure lead bullet and a cleaning rod and a mallet). Next time you disassemble for cleaning, use a very quiet room. When you have them all broken-down and cleaned, before reassembly, take a spoon and tap each barrel while it is unsupported and listen closely. Same with each operating rod. That's all there is to it. If you don't have good hearing, but you do have a smartphone, you can use a spectrum-analyzer app on your phone to see the sound pattern. (Smartphones didn't exist back in the day, so it was the experienced ear of a person doing the sorting.)
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidgoodnow269 Maybe I will. I'm planning to replace the springs in all of them soon anyway. It would suck if changing springs spoiled the accuracy, though. 😆
@caseybrown5183
@caseybrown5183 2 жыл бұрын
Love the concept and I enjoyed following the WWSD series from Carl and Ian. I have two of the lowers and I’ve used the CF hand guards. I do not have one of the complete carbines. The biggest preference differences I have are that I prefer 20” barrels and the V7 magnesium handguards. I’ve also had light strikes on milspec ammo with their trigger and the JP silent capture spring will choke in extreme cold weather while a rifle buffer system will keep running. I also agree with what James says here regarding the parts that are maybe not necessary. That all said - you can see WWSD influence on all of the ARs I have and I think “the Project” is one of the best things that has happened in the AR media world over the last decade.
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
@@KeterMalkuth $75 BCM milspec nickel teflon trigger with JP enterprises yellow springs and an enhanced hammer spring is what I use. It's worked in temps as low as -30F windchill. A key is proper lube. When I lived in the mountains I used FP-10.
@SchwererGustavThe800mm
@SchwererGustavThe800mm 2 жыл бұрын
I find it incredible that technology has come so far that we can turn what would normally be an 8, 9 pound rifle into a light and handy track star that weighs as much as an M1 Carbine.
@alexv6324
@alexv6324 2 жыл бұрын
Ironically, the whole impetus for the WWSD project was to sort of return the AR-15 to it's roots as a an extremely lightweight rifle that Eugene Stoner and team originally designed back in the late 50's.
@dmytro732
@dmytro732 2 жыл бұрын
Originally ar15s and even ar10s were sub-7 pound rifles. They've just become bloated over the years.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah its really not that remarkable
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
The M16A1 was 6.6lbs with a 20" barrel.
@Peter-bx3qk
@Peter-bx3qk 2 жыл бұрын
The original AR-15 was a 6.5 pound gun. The Army started making modifications that made sense on the target range, like a heavy barrel, longer length of pull butt stock, and required 'the button' to bash the bolt into battery. The Army took a 6 pound rifle and turned it into the 8+ pound rifle that the M4 and M-16s exist as. This project by Ian and Carl returned the platform to it's roots using modern materials.
@CalzaTheFox
@CalzaTheFox 2 жыл бұрын
Be advised that Brownells has sold the WWSD2020 at a discount, from 1.7k to 1.5k, and a discount code on top of that covers shipping and taxes. If you feel it's too much now, wait a bit. I was amazed when I saw it go on sale.
@judofry
@judofry 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know!
@beybladeguru101
@beybladeguru101 Жыл бұрын
I waited for a sale, and they discontinued it! I actually snagged it for $1.2K total(including tax) for a 2021 lower and 2022 upper. I guess I got lucky.
@CalzaTheFox
@CalzaTheFox Жыл бұрын
@@beybladeguru101 Not surprised. It was a sort of limited run. They get out as many rifles as there's a demand for, and when the market is saturated, they discontinue it. That said, KE is still doing WWSD2023 customization from their site.
@KyleJohnsonVA
@KyleJohnsonVA 2 жыл бұрын
I built a "2017" WWSD upper a couple years ago and your M193 results mimic mine a lot. For some reason it just loves to throw rounds all over the place and left me chasing zero for a while. Shooting 77gr OTM handloads though it was able to shoot about 1" groups.
@Ohnoitsthatguy-620
@Ohnoitsthatguy-620 2 жыл бұрын
As a combat vet, the "sh-sh" of the buffer spring was like a rain stick sound machine that puts you at ease. The sound meant it was cycling and I was still in the fight.
@randymagnum143
@randymagnum143 2 жыл бұрын
In an a2 stock it sounds like a screen door *sproing*
@michaelparks7563
@michaelparks7563 2 жыл бұрын
Hoorah to that brother!!
@ViktoriousDead
@ViktoriousDead 2 жыл бұрын
Yea you don’t ever hear that if you’re in An actual firefight
@randymagnum143
@randymagnum143 2 жыл бұрын
@@ViktoriousDead you only hear it if you have earpro on, or suppressed.
@Cujo116
@Cujo116 Жыл бұрын
@@randymagnum143 omg this is hilariously accurate I always thought this too.
@humanbass
@humanbass 2 жыл бұрын
9-hole did a practical accuracy test and it did amazing.
@mericaeagle9319
@mericaeagle9319 2 жыл бұрын
It probably doesn't make much difference but that gun had a faxon barrel, WWSD's are now shipping with BA barrels.
@leemiller5194
@leemiller5194 2 жыл бұрын
@@mericaeagle9319 really i didnt know that such a bummer faxon was a big component that made me consider this gun/
@mericaeagle9319
@mericaeagle9319 2 жыл бұрын
@@leemiller5194 faxon and BA barrels are equal, they're both mid tier barrels, neither will out shoot the other across the board. The BA is properly gassed unlike the faxon though.
@vonleiningen
@vonleiningen 2 жыл бұрын
@@mericaeagle9319 +1 for BA being better gassed than Faxon.
@leemiller5194
@leemiller5194 2 жыл бұрын
@@mericaeagle9319 i agree over all i just have a thing for faxon but yes your critique is valid the barrels from faxon i do have are over gassed,
@amsbeats841
@amsbeats841 2 жыл бұрын
I highly reccomend watching the series from InRange about how they came up with this rifle.. every single piece is thoroughly thought out. It's very interesting! If I wasn't in CA I'd buy one in a heartbeat
@didamnesia3575
@didamnesia3575 2 жыл бұрын
You can get everything except the lower. Lightweight stock will be almost as light
@romeorifles300
@romeorifles300 2 жыл бұрын
I can confirm the mag issue; works 100% with my gen 3 20rd pmag, but I tested some lancer clears and gen 2 pmags and they would fall out sometimes. Still this is not a deal breaker as Russel from KE even confirmed it was designed for the gen 3 pmags and usgi. I got the complete upper with the Ballistic advantage 1:7 barrel and it liked wolf gold + Norma tac 55g, about ~1.5 - 2.5MOA on both so I was happy. Will post vids soon.
@jrzmazda3
@jrzmazda3 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve built my own “WWSD” inspired rifle off a KP-15 lower, using the 14.5” Faxon pencil barrel w/integrated muzzle brake, an Odin Works Rune 12.4” handguard, JP SCSS, ALG ACT trigger, and Faxon TiN BCG, with a Holosun 503G ACSS red dot. Without optic, it weighs in at 4.88 lbs (5.49 lbs with DD fixed irons and the Holosun installed). It’s such a comfortable rifle to handle and shoot. Worth every penny! Now, to get that BFG Vickers sling…
@billjohnson6221
@billjohnson6221 2 жыл бұрын
How much have you got in it without the optics, for comparison
@jrzmazda3
@jrzmazda3 2 жыл бұрын
@@billjohnson6221 I’ve got right at 1,200 in it with out the red dot (but including iron sights)
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
@@jrzmazda3 much cheaper when you build it yourself, for sure. I have a 11.5" lightweight that weighs 4.9lbs- including a fwd assist with optic and WML installed. It's awesome. Cost a whole lot more than $1200 though.
@didamnesia3575
@didamnesia3575 2 жыл бұрын
I have nearly the same setup, same sight, etc. It's fantastic. Edit, and yeah, cost about 1200.
@randymagnum143
@randymagnum143 2 жыл бұрын
@@Valorius but it's been a bear trying to source parts.
@MARINERMAYNE
@MARINERMAYNE 2 жыл бұрын
I bought my wwsd because it was on sale on brownells for about $300 off! I absolutely love it!!!
@LOVEMUFFIN_official
@LOVEMUFFIN_official 2 жыл бұрын
WHEN?!?
@MARINERMAYNE
@MARINERMAYNE 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOVEMUFFIN_official like almost 3 weeks ago I think
@LOVEMUFFIN_official
@LOVEMUFFIN_official 2 жыл бұрын
@@MARINERMAYNE Thank you. It’s mostly pointless excitement: I’m a college student and can’t afford the rifle anyway, but it’s always fun to imagine.
@MARINERMAYNE
@MARINERMAYNE 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOVEMUFFIN_official haha I just got married to a college student so I'm not rolling in dough either 😅 so don't give up hope!!!
@LOVEMUFFIN_official
@LOVEMUFFIN_official 2 жыл бұрын
@@MARINERMAYNE 🎊 Congratulations! 🎊
@artlife9563
@artlife9563 2 жыл бұрын
It's a feature. You should place your weapon on safe anytime you are not shooting, even when you are changing mags.
@sixtofive
@sixtofive 2 жыл бұрын
When helping my daughter build her first ar15 last year she chose to go with one of the kp15 lowers and I've been really impressed with it so far. It's hard to say how much lighter it feels than a standard lower without having both to compare side by side. It's a very noticeable difference.
@paulmears5330
@paulmears5330 2 жыл бұрын
Nice, non-fannish review, James. I’ve been using a KP-15 lower with an old school (slick-side, carry handle, Criterion pencil barrel) carbine upper, and a BRN180 upper, and it’s been a joy to have the weight savings and the simplicity of a monolithic polymer lower. Highly recommended😎
@mattfleming86
@mattfleming86 2 жыл бұрын
How do you like the criterion? I debated between that, the WOA 3gun, or the lighter BA 625 Hanson for weeks. Ended up with (and very happy with) the hanson.. but i'm curious.
@paulmears5330
@paulmears5330 2 жыл бұрын
@@mattfleming86 it’s a great barrel. Chrome lined, 1 in 8 twist, Criterion’s version of the wylde chamber. More accurate than I am.
@life_of_riley88
@life_of_riley88 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the kp15 lower was just built for slick side uppers, carry handles, and triangle handguards. Oh, and 3 three prong tuning forks!
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
@@life_of_riley88 It handles and shoulders just like an M16A1 stock. The pistol grip is a bit different -- better in my opinion. I have an old-school M16 slickside upper clone. Someday I'll put it on the KE lower and go to the range just for the heck of it. I won't permanently swap it because the clone is a "nostalgia" build but it would fun to experiment with it.
@life_of_riley88
@life_of_riley88 2 жыл бұрын
@@itsapittie Sounds like a sweet setup. I'd build one if I could find ANYTHING in a pencil profile over 18" these days. Hopefully soon, the retro 20" stuff will come back in stock.
@mattfleming86
@mattfleming86 2 жыл бұрын
I freaking love my wwsd-ish rifle. I went with the BA Hanson SS barrel, MI handguard, aero slick upper. I already know what safeties, triggers, bolt catch, barrel, etc. I wanted so it made more sense to build one. The lower is FANTASTIC. I went with a recce inspired build. 1-4, accurate barrel, tweaked Larue trigger. It's a tack driver, it's light AF, and it's reliable as hell. If you build one, I highly reccomend the BA .625 hanson (the top end one. its a fuggin shooter. If it don't shoot, they will replace it. I got my favorite bullets all shooting 1moa including 62 gold dots, 75gr/77gr, and the 50gr nosler) Keep it light. Don't add a bunch of crap you don't need. Mine is my everyday farm rifle. It lives on my nightstand. If the world gets more fresh, it'll be the one I take. Thanks. I don't own lancer mags, and now I won't be tempted when they are on sale.
@joecentral-o9984
@joecentral-o9984 2 жыл бұрын
I have ONE because they look cool. I know I know
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
I have a bunch of old USGI mags that I've had since forever but when I buy a magazine it's Magpul because they've never failed me. My son used them in Afghanistan and had only good things to say about them. I'm not saying I'll *never* buy a mag for the "cool factor" but it won't be my go-to if SHTF.
@joecentral-o9984
@joecentral-o9984 2 жыл бұрын
@@itsapittie any gen Magpul? Can't deny the sandbox testing on mags
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
@@joecentral-o9984 Mine are all gen 2. I can't speak for 1 or 3.
@aliasje2snj731
@aliasje2snj731 2 жыл бұрын
8:50 I’ve used this charging handle for a long time on one of my own rifles. The texture literally ripped my gloves but I can tell you its a strong charging handle. I’ve kick started my rifle a lot with it.
@UnknownReloader
@UnknownReloader 2 жыл бұрын
I have a KP15 lower on a 6.8 hunting build and like it a lot.
@MarkiusFox
@MarkiusFox 2 жыл бұрын
Casuals: "An AR doesn't have to cost more than $1000, shop PSA!" Me: _having already spent over 4k on his Mk.12 clone that currently has an incorrect PSA A2 profile lower_ "You know not of what you speak."
@920utdoor
@920utdoor 2 жыл бұрын
Yup just as gooders could never be cloners
@MarkiusFox
@MarkiusFox 2 жыл бұрын
@@920utdoor The euphoria of getting a clone correct part is really nice. Ever since I committed to making a Mk.12, I thought I'd never get the chance to have an A.R.M.S. #38 PEQ-2-3. Then, a few months ago, a person posted in a forum that they had one they didn't need in like-new condition. The PRI PEQ-2 rail is nice, but the A.R.M.S. is a whole other level. Paid a little more than MSRP with shipping included. In-all, I'm working towards having the full deployment kit, and I can say that I'm quite close now.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, a serviceable rifle and a clone are different things. Even when I built my "M16A0" clone, I used a more modern lower with a fence around the mag release button because it's arguably less likely to drop a mag by accident. Nobody's going to go, "Wow! Perfect clone!" but it handles and shoots just like the one I carried in the service and that was my goal. PSA probably is "good enough" for a lot of people.
@Stribogboi
@Stribogboi 2 жыл бұрын
PSA is garbage
@jesseterrell9354
@jesseterrell9354 2 жыл бұрын
Who cares really
@rolandluth2098
@rolandluth2098 2 жыл бұрын
The first WWSD have been built with faxon 1/8 barrels. The rifles that are currently produced are built with ballistic advantage 1/7 barrels. You can find more information on the InrangeTV reddit.
@tfbtv
@tfbtv 2 жыл бұрын
This one is marked 1:8
@anthonyalfano594
@anthonyalfano594 2 жыл бұрын
It seems the WWSD complete rifles from Brownells have the 1:8 Faxon but the complete uppers from KE Arms have the 1:7 BA barrels.
@SinistralRifleman
@SinistralRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
The last ~200 WWSD produced have Ballistic Advantage 1:7 pencil barrels. All the uppers sold separately use the same barrel. ~1100 rifles have been produced to date.
@anthonyalfano594
@anthonyalfano594 2 жыл бұрын
@@SinistralRifleman thanks for clearing that up! Why is that?
@SinistralRifleman
@SinistralRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyalfano594 availability and gas port size. BA have a standard 0.078” gas port. Faxon are 0.081” to run with steel case ammo; they were over gassed for a lot of users.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
A year or so ago a LGS had the complete "plain jane" WWSD lowers in stock for $235 IIRC. (I live in Alaska. It might be a little cheaper where you live.) I bought one on a whim and then had to decide what to do with it. Eventually I assembled it with an Aero Precision no-forward-assist upper, 16" pencil barrel, nitrided BCG, and aluminum free-float 15" handguard. I hadn't heard of the WWSD Civil Defense Rifle at the time but that's essentially what I ended up with. It's a little heavier than the WWSD but only by about 4 ounces. Most of the parts I had on hand, having bought them at various times when I got a good buy, so it's hard to be sure but I think it was about $850 total when I finished. Sights and optic added a bit. It's a little more accurate than my M4 clone, possibly due to the free-float barrel, so it's good enough for me. I think of it as more WWAD (What Would the Army Do?) than a true WWSD rifle. TBH, the items that drive up the cost of the WWSD vs the CDR are things that don't matter much to me. My first military rifle was the M16 (not A1) and every AR pattern rifle I've owned since has had the same control layout. I have the muscle memory for it. I've shot a couple of ambi rifles belonging to friends and I didn't use the ambi controls. The captive buffer is a complete non-issue for me -- don't have it, don't care. A "match" trigger is a nice thing but as I'm just an average marksman, it doesn't appreciably improve my accuracy. The ultra-light carbon fiber handguard is a key part of the WWSD but TBH I choked on the price, I'm a little skeptical about its durability, and I didn't want to give up my backup sights. I understand that the point of the WWSD was to test the very edge of the envelope with a build with all the most advanced parts and that's very cool. If that's what you want, I won't criticize you for your choice in a rifle. I *really* like the CDR lower for its light weight, LOP, and flared magwell. Even if you just build it out with "usual" parts it's a handy and serviceable place to start at about the same price as other complete lowers. If, like me, you don't feel the "high-speed" stuff is worth the money, take a look at the CDR or consider building your own. IMO the KE Arms monolithic polymer lower is the thing that sets this rifle apart from the pack; the rest is window dressing. A CDR would make a very respectable first AR and all the parts already exist to upgrade it over time as you figure out what you want. I like it. If you're in the market for an AR or just want something different, I highly recommend the WWSD or CDR.
@dadbodoperator2466
@dadbodoperator2466 2 жыл бұрын
Great content as always. Your channel is what I aspire mine to be someday. Thanks for putting out the quality!
@alexv6324
@alexv6324 2 жыл бұрын
I don't own a WWSD, but I have put together my own version of it using mostly Aero components for the upper aside from the carbon fiber hanguard from Faxon. I can say without hesitation that it's now my favorite rifle to take out and shoot.
@TimberwolfCY
@TimberwolfCY 2 жыл бұрын
I did similar, and absolutely no regrets.
@christopherandrew6545
@christopherandrew6545 2 жыл бұрын
James !? Just casually teasing a g36 on a Navajo blanket! I’ve got blue balls over here
@Brimwald
@Brimwald 2 жыл бұрын
G36 with a Nightforce scope on top. That implies it was a test gun meaning it might be announced soon for sale on the commercial market. Surprised more people didnt notice it
@thesepretzelsaremakingmethirst
@thesepretzelsaremakingmethirst 2 жыл бұрын
Im assuming it’s one of the TommyBuilt guns but I’d love to be wrong and it be a factory HK
@Brimwald
@Brimwald 2 жыл бұрын
@@thesepretzelsaremakingmethirst maybe that's what Springfield Armory is announcing on March 4th with their "Storm Arrives Soon" marketing email
@robertcaseydavis
@robertcaseydavis 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Lord I've been waiting for this review on TFBtv for so long.
@Kaiserland111
@Kaiserland111 2 жыл бұрын
This gun might not be for every application, and certainly won't fit every budget, but it does seem to be nearly perfect for the applications it is intended for. It's certainly excellent for those time you are planning on carry it a lot and shooting it very little.
@shooteveryday1841
@shooteveryday1841 2 жыл бұрын
Built a wwsd with a lightweight brownells bolt carrier, SLR adjustable gas block, and a Coda rail. I didn’t like the SLT trigger enough so I replaced it with a RA-524 which is excellent. I use a suppressor on it and it’s absolutely Fantastic to shoot. No hesitation to grab it in a minutes notice- but that said, my AUG is always at my bedside
@austincrowe5194
@austincrowe5194 2 жыл бұрын
Ambi safeties are great when they are set to 90 deg throws. They don’t move when you do mag changes but it’s really easy to put the gun back on safe with the pad of your palm.
@mmclaurin8035
@mmclaurin8035 2 жыл бұрын
"Jenna Jameson's prison wallet" I spit coffee all over my desk. Nice one James.
@ether23-23
@ether23-23 2 жыл бұрын
I don't believe you.
@josephjohnston2847
@josephjohnston2847 2 жыл бұрын
I had the same reaction
@mmclaurin8035
@mmclaurin8035 2 жыл бұрын
@@ether23-23 I don't care.
@ether23-23
@ether23-23 2 жыл бұрын
@@mmclaurin8035 You wanna go bro?!
@mmclaurin8035
@mmclaurin8035 2 жыл бұрын
@@ether23-23 I'm not your bro, guy!
@Scruffy-LookingNerfHerder
@Scruffy-LookingNerfHerder 2 жыл бұрын
I have two, but I’ve been wondering what someone other than Ian and Karl have to say about it. I threw adjustable gas blocks on mine. Them being way over gassed was my one complaint.
@amantacha_9451
@amantacha_9451 2 жыл бұрын
9 hole reviews has a video on wwsd rifle
@ramentaryramblings
@ramentaryramblings 2 жыл бұрын
yeah just from the footage it looks overgassed and high in recoil. love how he says it's "perfectly gassed" sure it is James, sure
@rurouniad
@rurouniad 2 жыл бұрын
@@ramentaryramblings almost every rifle that can shoot in the US is over gassed as it is designed to shoot weaker 223. So while you aren’t wrong. Not necessarily right either as it’s a faxon barrel and they admit to having their own way of doing it.
@ramentaryramblings
@ramentaryramblings 2 жыл бұрын
@@rurouniad but still that's not my point, he said perfectly gassed, it's not perfectly gassed. this whole review is a shill anyway so don't listen too it
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 2 жыл бұрын
@@ramentaryramblings We watching the same video? It recoiling slightly less than regular ARs, and considering it's low weight, that would suggest it is not overgassed at all. I know mine isn't overgassed...
@mot0rhe4d40
@mot0rhe4d40 2 жыл бұрын
Local shop has one if these lowers. Was gonna get it as my Birthday present to myself. Then found a shop clearance pricing their Traditions Muzzleloaders. Went with the new smoke pole. If WWSD lower hangs out a little longer. I will pick it up for a ultra lite build.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
I did that. I like it a lot.
@mot0rhe4d40
@mot0rhe4d40 2 жыл бұрын
@@itsapittie It seemed like a good candidate for a ultra lite build. Glad you are liking it I wanted a CAV-15 lower back in the day, they just never came back in stock once I wanted one. This lower looks like a nice update to the original concept.
@MikeJ2319
@MikeJ2319 2 жыл бұрын
Haha don’t you hate it when that happens? Goin to a shop for a specific thing but you end up going home with something different. The lower sounds like a good tax return item 😉
@mot0rhe4d40
@mot0rhe4d40 2 жыл бұрын
@@MikeJ2319 I couldn't pass up the muzzleloader for the price. $124 for something that goes from $220-$260 before and during season, is just to hard to pass up hahaha.
@MikeJ2319
@MikeJ2319 2 жыл бұрын
@@mot0rhe4d40 👍🏽 a deal almost too good to be true... can’t pass that up on the savings alone. Well done
@decorumarmsllc257
@decorumarmsllc257 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve found that with Lancers in ARs the tension on the mag release spring seems to matter. Not sure if that Ambi mag release can be adjusted like a normal mag release though. If you’re having issues with Lancer mags in your AR pattern rifle, try adjusting the mag release tension until the problem goes away
@SuspiciousGanymede
@SuspiciousGanymede 2 жыл бұрын
I put a 20" FNA4 upper on my WWSD lower with a national match free float rail, streamlight HLX and Holosun titanium red dot/magnifier combo. 9lb rifle loaded, with a regular aluminum lower it was 11lbs. Change the 45° safety back to the 90° position, that prevents accidentally hitting the safety. It's still annoying as it sticks into your palm but nothing major.
@M855Patriot
@M855Patriot 2 жыл бұрын
The JP SCS is probably the main factor in making this rifle as smooth as it is. Everybody claims they're just for the spring noise, but it truly does completely change the way the rifle feels. A cheaper option is the Armaspec SRS or an even cheaper option is the Armaspec SMB which isn't captured, but is still a guided buffer. I'll never go back to a standard buffer if I can help it.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 2 жыл бұрын
We used the JP SCS for recoil mitigation, smoothness of action but also as a self contained buffer system that allowed for the omission of a buffer detent pin.
@M855Patriot
@M855Patriot 2 жыл бұрын
@@InrangeTv so y'all recommend taking the detent pin out? I've been in-between with mine and currently still have mine in with my SCS.
@XDWX
@XDWX 2 жыл бұрын
I built my own version of this except I used a heavy profile barrel for better accuracy and use with a suppressor. It weighs 5.6 pounds. I didn't copy the official WWSD perfectly. I used V Seven upper and a magnesium handguard.
@mcdoctorglock
@mcdoctorglock 2 жыл бұрын
I love V7- I've been swapping out small parts over the last two years (when I can afford to) with their titanium bits.
@michaelmcatee221
@michaelmcatee221 2 жыл бұрын
When I first got my ar pistol it had incredible “sproing” noises. I felt like I was shooting a plasma rifle. I sprayed a bunch of rem oil into the buffer tube and now it sounds normal.
@RickOAA
@RickOAA 2 жыл бұрын
I built a similar gun for my now ex...essentially a modern A1...and it was surprisingly bad ass. Smooth, low recoil, lightweight, and very unique.
@Mandalore6311
@Mandalore6311 2 жыл бұрын
I built my own using ideas from InRange's videos. I went with one of their earlier parts, the 16" Faxon pencil barrel with integrated flash hider. I got lucky and was able to snag a 13" Faxon carbon fiber handguard, so I saved a few ounces overall. Love this rifle! Side note, I haven't tried any of my Lancer mags in mine, but I know it doesn't like my craptastic GI mags. Oh well, I have plenty of PMAGs.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
Mine doesn't lock back on some of my really old USGI mags, probably because of the design of the follower. I don't really care because I have plenty of PMags.
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
How much does the 13" Faxon weigh? I only use aluminum GI mags in lightweight ARs. They're still the lightest option around.
@Mandalore6311
@Mandalore6311 2 жыл бұрын
@@Valorius It feels like nothing, but it's apparently just over 6 ounces with the screws and nuts to secure it. You do you with the mags, I can't stand GI mags. I'll take the "weight" of the PMAGs lol
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Mandalore6311 I went with a Jag composites 9" it's 3.2oz with the nut and all hardware. GI mags worked great for me in the infantry, still do.
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mandalore6311 you laugh, but half a dozen pmags vs half a dozen GI alum, you're over a half pound in difference.
@PlanetRibooted
@PlanetRibooted 2 жыл бұрын
I bought one of the KP-15 complete polymer lowers, and the mag catch wasn’t fully screw together so all mags bumped out easily until I tightened it to spec myself.
@jamestown12345
@jamestown12345 2 жыл бұрын
I like my geiselle airborne charging handle. Not sure if price or availability ended up influencing them to switch to that from the geiselle offerings. If i recall correctly i think Ian said it was b/c the geiselle wasn't available in numbers at the time. I will say that my old bcm mod 3 actually rides smoother than the geiselle but the geiselle is easier to unlock and ambi, when i got the bcm their ambi version wasn't out yet. I'm using a faxon pencil barrel and titanium adjustable gas block. I went with the 13" Faxon carbon for easier gas block adjustment access. may switch to 15" once I get it dialed in. Got the titanium barrel nut too. Cool thing about faxon CF is it can fit onto mil-spec barrel nut in minutes with only a screwdriver.
@Peter-bx3qk
@Peter-bx3qk 2 жыл бұрын
I followed the original 2017 WWSD project closely and built my rifle as Carl and Ian released the videos back then. I upgraded to the KP-15 lower in 2021. My own preference was to use a LaRue 2 stage trigger, a Brownell's skelotonized BCG, Superlative Arms adjustable gas block, a Bravo Company M-Lok hand stop, and a standard buffer and spring. It's 5.01 pounds with the Sig Romeo 4T optic. My only complaint is that the KP-15 lower has a longer than preferred length of pull and the grip angle would be better with a Magpul K2/ sub-machine gun angled grip. The gun averages 2.5 MOA, it's not a target rifle. The Faxon barrel much prefers 62 grain green tip 5.56 rounds. It'll group closer to 1.5 MOA in my experience. Note; the original WWSD barrel was a 14.5" pencil barrel with a permanently attached 3 prong flash hider.
@adamrodgers2377
@adamrodgers2377 2 жыл бұрын
To me it is a good looking little AR. The Carbon Fiber Handguard is badass! Thanks for a awesome review!
@M81_WOODLAND
@M81_WOODLAND 2 жыл бұрын
The sound of a buffer spring cycling next to my face is rather soothing to me.
@chucknabox1164
@chucknabox1164 2 жыл бұрын
I like the concept of the polymer 1 piece lower. I do have a random stripped upper laying around.. hmm damnit I just finished my first build and now I think I'm about to start my 2nd lol
@ZeroSuitSamo
@ZeroSuitSamo 2 жыл бұрын
I believe someone makes a low profile rail segment made specifically for mounting a front sight on these CF handguards, so that it will properly line up with the rail segments on the upper. But I agree, they really aren't necessary anymore. And especially when you are trying to build a really light rifle, it is just extra weight.
@mikebyars9463
@mikebyars9463 2 жыл бұрын
“Jenna Jameson’s prison wallet” “The rug that ties the room together” “The lonely stoner” Not even halfway through and you’ve got me cracking up from the dad jokes! That first one though… hilarious
@prinzeugenvansovoyen732
@prinzeugenvansovoyen732 2 жыл бұрын
17:21 you could have opened the scope rings and slid the scope forward or flip the mount 180
@CrazyKingJammy
@CrazyKingJammy 2 жыл бұрын
for $500ish bucks you can get the KP-15 polymer lower, pick up a dissipator classic from palmetto, mount your sights and thats it. An excellent budget gun too as well, the carbon fiber isnt worth the price/weight ratio for us peasant folks. best go with a classic upper and find a polymer guard to your taste. Sad those pencile classic uppers aren't easy to find these days...
@tommccormick9290
@tommccormick9290 2 жыл бұрын
My Bushmaster also had problems with Lancer mags. I've used magazines from 8 different brands such as Magpul and Mission First tactical.
@RevTubbs
@RevTubbs 2 жыл бұрын
“Harder than quitting drugs, but lighter than an adult mallard” 🤣🤣🤣
@akompsupport
@akompsupport 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you james and TFB TV for reviewing this important, innovative product!
@oaklavegas8779
@oaklavegas8779 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve built 3x WWSD rifles with the base being a KP15 lower (mil spec) specifically Faxon Gunner Profile barrels, I can’t afford carbon fiber hand guards so I get the lightest aluminum rails on sale I can find at the time, 2 BCGs are nitrided and another is NiB coated, YHM flash hiders, and simple ambi charging handles. One has a 1x4 LPVO with a canted red dot (~6.5 lbs loaded) another has a red dot (>6lbs loaded)and the third has DD irons (~5.5 lbs loaded). THESE DAMN RIFLES ARE CRAZY LIGHT especially the one with just iron sights… DO NOT KNOCK THE KP-15 lower receivers. They come at a great price, rugged, and did I mention that they are CRAZY LIGHT? Cost for just the rifle w/o optics… ~$650-$700
@oaklavegas8779
@oaklavegas8779 2 жыл бұрын
@Chano Leyva Because my training make my firearms “GUCCI”. I also have a wife and son who needs their own rifles as well. But I did sell 2 other rifles to make these three
@oaklavegas8779
@oaklavegas8779 2 жыл бұрын
@Chano Leyva 🤘🏾
@jamesbrisendine
@jamesbrisendine 2 жыл бұрын
My first AR15 was the CDR. Only thing i want to change about it is the charging handle and buffer spring. I feel like if i am shooting without my glasses on, there's too much coming back to my eye. And, the jp buffer spring is something i just wanna test out. Very minor gripes, easy to change. Love my CDR in every way besides the ones i mentioned.
@eagleleopard
@eagleleopard 2 жыл бұрын
James: “my standard is 2 inches” Me: that explains the short shorts
@saoirse5308
@saoirse5308 2 жыл бұрын
I got the Kp-15 Milspec lower on deal at Brownells, matched it with a Aero precision upper SKU APAR610505M7 added in a charging handle and BCG and still came in under $800 Not a super slick competition gun, but for the money I'm super happy.
@fatthumbs2020
@fatthumbs2020 2 жыл бұрын
Check your scope mounts with those groups opening up like that. And on that safety...Just grab an angle grinder and some sand paper and custom bevel that ambi safety.
@cymond
@cymond 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, James is clearly made of money. Why DIY when you can BUY? I'm surprised he changes his own parts instead of paying somebody to do it for him.
@That_Guy5575
@That_Guy5575 2 жыл бұрын
I had the same issue with the ambi safety as James did. Luckily, all it requires is a tiny Allen screwdriver to remove the sides of it, so that's what I did. I just removed the right hand part of it and have left it off ever since. Problem solve.
@fatthumbs2020
@fatthumbs2020 2 жыл бұрын
@@That_Guy5575 hahaha that sounds better but less custom than an angle grinder
@tylerlondon5052
@tylerlondon5052 2 жыл бұрын
The right safety latch only needs a hex key to remove.
@fatthumbs2020
@fatthumbs2020 2 жыл бұрын
@Tyler London out here grindin
@justa3v619
@justa3v619 2 жыл бұрын
I have a ballistic advantage 14.5” pencil barrel with a 1/7 twist and it surprised me shooting just random 55gn fmj it shoots right around 1.5” groups @ 100yds. And I’ve found it really likes the federal 77gn bthp not the fold medal match but the white box 5.56 as I was getting .5” groups. It also shoots the hornady frontier 68/75gn bthp right around .75-1.25” groups which is the ammo I have stocked up on. Even with the barrel hot I’ve never seen anything worse than 2” groups. With performance like that I’ll never buy a heavy barrel again
@SlackerChief
@SlackerChief 2 жыл бұрын
I had some problems with 20 rd Lancer mags where the mag would eject on it's own. Good to know about the problem. Mine seems to like wolf gold, but I have a limited supply of it
@Valorius
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
FYI: you can usually fix that problem by cranking in your mag release lever a few more turns.
@BrassBashers
@BrassBashers 2 жыл бұрын
4:10 you can buy a silicone carbide buffer spring for like $10, definitely worth it. Oh and I REALLY hate the spring sound in my 300 blk when suppressed cause it's the loudest thing you hear right next to your ear lol.
@Screwball216
@Screwball216 2 жыл бұрын
Would going to 90° selector throw make the safety issue go away? I know their selectors can go either way, being I made sure mine was 90° when I built my lower. Not a fan of 45° throw.
@graydonsharp5165
@graydonsharp5165 2 жыл бұрын
You just need smaller hands, its a simple fix and I am definitely not drunk. And I think KE arms selectors can swap between 45 and 90 degrees, or they will sell you the selector for cheap.
@stephaniemusick171
@stephaniemusick171 2 жыл бұрын
I have a KE Arms KP-15 Mil Spec lower with a pencil barrel DPMS 16” carbine upper and a Vortex 1-8 Strike Eagle LPVO. It is a 1 MOA rifle with Frontier 5.56 62gr. BTHP. I have shot it out to 600 yards on steel. It has been flawless in reliability, (PMAGS). Highly recommended.
@paullinkins8121
@paullinkins8121 2 жыл бұрын
I see the biggest negatives of the monolithic polymer lower as lack of flexibility (in terms of the ability to make modifications that a lot of people buy an AR for) and if something cracks/breaks then entire lower is toast.
@0sm1um76
@0sm1um76 2 жыл бұрын
Recoil TV has a torture test which involved running it over with a truck. The polymer flexes instead of cracking and the lower seems surprisingly durable.
@wtice4632
@wtice4632 2 жыл бұрын
KE arms will replace each lower once
@wolfgang_h3t
@wolfgang_h3t 2 жыл бұрын
@@0sm1um76 There's $20 dollar flashlights that can survive being ran over though lol, guess we'll have to wait and see how they handle more generalized use, I'd assume they'll be fine though.
@Pupil0fGod
@Pupil0fGod 2 жыл бұрын
just keep it away from the puppies and you will be fine 👍
@dak4465
@dak4465 2 жыл бұрын
I ADORE how lighweight this rifle is
@RaptorClawMedia
@RaptorClawMedia 2 жыл бұрын
In Germany it costs 2500€ !!! That's the same price as for an HK Mr223. I was really looking forward getting it, but with that price I have to pass.
@spencerbookman2523
@spencerbookman2523 2 жыл бұрын
I was able to use a Magpul QD socket in the single-point sling location, but I had to put a washer behind it to raise it up flush with the stock.
@Poolboy001
@Poolboy001 2 жыл бұрын
6:34 I can safely say this is a skill issue. As a left hander I almost always use ambidextrous safety levers and never run into the problem.
@lelandmason5760
@lelandmason5760 2 жыл бұрын
“The rug that ties the whole room together” 😂😂😂 good shit keep it up, the dude and I approve
@not-a-theist8251
@not-a-theist8251 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! I was wondering when you would take a look at this gun.
@jonathanchow6305
@jonathanchow6305 2 жыл бұрын
I use a non-ambi lower, and an Aero slick upper on my home brew. It takes every lancer, no issues.
@jackusmc2542
@jackusmc2542 2 жыл бұрын
James, you shorts wearing madman you, you had me at Jenna Jameson’s prison wallet. This is on my to buy list once I leave the socialist dystopia of the DPSRM! Excellent video.
@Mockturtlesoup1
@Mockturtlesoup1 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he had a few good ones in this video.
@CREEPINGIRON
@CREEPINGIRON 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure where that acronym is referring to, Google thinks I'm looking for sperm.
@MarkiusFox
@MarkiusFox 2 жыл бұрын
@@CREEPINGIRON They might be trying to say Democratic People's Socialist Republic of Massachusetts/Maryland/Minnesota/Michigan/Mississippi/Maine/Missouri.
@CREEPINGIRON
@CREEPINGIRON 2 жыл бұрын
@@MarkiusFox my Union is full of M&Ms, always confusing, thank you for your help.
@bhe915
@bhe915 2 жыл бұрын
@@MarkiusFox Most likely Maryland only due to barrel profile (only heavy barrels allowed.)
@a1racer441
@a1racer441 2 жыл бұрын
the polymer lower looks surprisingly good i though i would hate it but it's pretty good.
@Zoraxon
@Zoraxon 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure they made it as lefty friendly as possible because Ian is a lefty Or maybe they thought Eugene would have wanted it that way
@jjbs58
@jjbs58 2 жыл бұрын
excellent review James.... we need to hear what Clint thinks about the WWSD . . . I watched the entire InRange series when they were developing this rifle - well thought out process. Speaking of Clint Smith... what about his thoughts on the Scout rifles comming around again.... especially with all the 6.5 creedmore press and ammo and Steyr lowering their Scout prices by $1000.00 nowadays . . . thanx
@EpIc_NaChO
@EpIc_NaChO 2 жыл бұрын
For 1700 I'll just pick up a DDM4V7. They're light, they're robust, and they have excellent barrels plus Daniel Defenses excellent customer service.
@stevennewman4778
@stevennewman4778 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, paying that price for the wwsd is just dumb, unless you’re into paying for hype.
@wolfgang_h3t
@wolfgang_h3t 2 жыл бұрын
They're like 1400 now, bit more reasonable
@AdamantLightLP
@AdamantLightLP Жыл бұрын
@stevennewman4778 That's pretty much just the cost of the parts though. Whatever you like in a gun, use it.
@mpeugeot
@mpeugeot 2 жыл бұрын
I have had my WWSD-2020 for about a year now... It's probably my nicest AR other than my Noveske.
@scottlamp3097
@scottlamp3097 2 жыл бұрын
There was one of these at the Run & Gun this weekend. He was running an LPVO and there was something weird about the way he mounted his sling. It looked like the kid was shooting pretty well with it.
@BukkNutty1
@BukkNutty1 2 жыл бұрын
I built my own off the original WWSD build off the Cav 15 lower with an 18 inch barrel 762 by 39 and kept the weight under 6 lb I know it's not as light and compact but I wanted to do something a little different than the 556
@mikem2132
@mikem2132 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I got my M&P Sport II back in 2019 for $550. It’s not fancy, but it works. I also run a Proctor sling. This AR looks great, but I personally wouldn’t spend that much.
@Dja05
@Dja05 2 жыл бұрын
the m&p 15 series are fine for like 90% of people and usage. Too many mall ninjas shitting on it imo :/...
@mikem2132
@mikem2132 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dja05 iraqveteran8888 had a meltdown video on it where he went about 800 rounds on full auto, seems rugged enough to me.
@tyrannosaurusimperator
@tyrannosaurusimperator 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dja05 the average person would be better off with the budget AR and spending the difference between it and the WWSD on ammo and range time.
@ramentaryramblings
@ramentaryramblings 2 жыл бұрын
yeah really, there are better rifles than this, I'd prefer something more modern in the 1k range, but still, this rifle ain't it
@newerest1
@newerest1 2 жыл бұрын
Thinner barrels will of course have different harmonics, they will have a higher whip amplitude. Thicker barrels will still have harmonics, but they dampen the whip amplitude. You can still custom reload ammo to fit these harmonic differences, but thinner barrels will have a far more narrow range of tight accuracy when adjusting the handloads. A change in seating depth of .003" is nothing on a bull barrel, it will still make documentable changes but nothing someone would usually describe as "dramatic". I would like to get test data on this more because I have only custom handloads for medium and bull barrels, but there the difference is still easy to notice.
@clamum9648
@clamum9648 2 жыл бұрын
I'd really like to have a WWSD rifle. I know lotta people like to make fun of nutnfancy for harping on weight all the time, but it really is important imo. I bet if you surveyed soldiers who have a lot of combat experience, they'd tell you weight is important and less weight is better. Just a wild guess.
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 2 жыл бұрын
Less weight is good, but there are limits. I don't think going this light is good for the needs of soldiers.
@mf--
@mf-- 2 жыл бұрын
@@thegoldencaulk2742 may your desert, jungle/forest, and mountain marches be short
@LadyAnuB
@LadyAnuB 2 жыл бұрын
If we could time travel these back to my days in the 7th ID (Light), there are a bunch of 11B's that would be more than willing to try out a lightweight M16 on their marches. Hell, the 12B's I supported would love a lighter weight M16.
@ChoChan776
@ChoChan776 2 жыл бұрын
@@thegoldencaulk2742 There is never a situation in which you want to carry more weight for the sake of carrying more weight
@2ABhodisattva
@2ABhodisattva 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely not, this rifle is not suitable for combat. Carrying extra weight for no reason is dumb, but at some point you just have to suck it up because the gear you need has some weight to it. Without the ability to mount an ir laser or m203, this thing is all but useless to any organized military unit. The pencil barrel is also completely inadequate for the sustained fire of a firefight. I can’t imagine a single person with combat experience and firearms knowledge picking this over a block ii with a quad rail.
@joelerk6298
@joelerk6298 2 жыл бұрын
I love ar15 reviews from James. Their not boring
@limpetarch98k
@limpetarch98k 2 жыл бұрын
Your oldest son wouldnt appreciate that you ran the shit out of the MRO
@orozcocris93
@orozcocris93 2 жыл бұрын
simple: the match grade stuff is loaded to very specific dimensions and primer/powder combination. your particular rifle happens to be at the middle of your barrel's node as opposed to being at the peak or through of the node
@MerpSquirrel
@MerpSquirrel 2 жыл бұрын
I would think what I have seen with pencil barrel being less accurate is from cheaper ones warping with lots of rounds though them and opening up. I would assume your pencil barrels aren't the 100$ specials that likely experience this, and the 100$ special socom/bull ect. barrels wont warp as easily so you dont see the groups open. Just a theory though.
@yetiskies9240
@yetiskies9240 2 жыл бұрын
Cool fire stick, I really like the Colt 703 style rear sling slot. Great video thx.
@mikehenthorn1778
@mikehenthorn1778 2 жыл бұрын
As one of those 10% I sinisterly suggest you learn to work with it as I have never had a safety activate with any that are on the wrong side for those of us in our right minds.
@williamnicholson8133
@williamnicholson8133 2 жыл бұрын
The m193 accuracy snafu is something i have come across myself . Then i shot some into a water barrel the m193 jacket appears to be thinner and the rifli g of the faxon barrels when new can occasionally cause the jacket to peel and cause an aerodynamic irregularity shifting the point of impact several inches at 100. This issue seemed to reduce as the barrel broke it though. But then i also donot run m193 on my faxon barrels if i can help it.
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