Teutoburg Forest 9 AD - Roman-Germanic Wars DOCUMENTARY

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Kings and Generals

Kings and Generals

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@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
These Eagles are not lost yet: bit.ly/2GFCuFE
@veryfieddoctor7450
@veryfieddoctor7450 5 жыл бұрын
Our Admin our General... 🏅
@JamesBu11
@JamesBu11 5 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, but I have a quick question: You estimate the figure to be 30,000 Romans with Varus yet there were only 3 Legions which would normally be approximately 15,000. How were those Legions made up? Also FYI you placed Tiberius in Crete and not Rhodes.
@HistoryTimes
@HistoryTimes 5 жыл бұрын
What is the logic(explanation) behind the name Armenius?
@louisswanepoel1614
@louisswanepoel1614 5 жыл бұрын
The man who dares steal these eagle standards shall loose his head.
@nathanslijkhuis7159
@nathanslijkhuis7159 5 жыл бұрын
they only retrieve 2 i think it was
@MalayArcher
@MalayArcher 5 жыл бұрын
Note: I made a huge mistake at 5:40 showing Tiberius in Crete than Rhodes and also, Actium at the very beginning. . A Thousand apologies for that. As always, here are ROME II mods which we used solely for this video: - Leo's Imperial legions of Rome - Celticus' environment HD and flora HD - Celticus' Marian Romans - GEMFX - Enhanced Particle Attila TW: - Ancient Empires Best wishes, Malay Archer ڤمانه ملايو
@louisswanepoel1614
@louisswanepoel1614 5 жыл бұрын
Whoops
@greekviking5987
@greekviking5987 5 жыл бұрын
saved me the time of writing a comment to say that cheers
@son_of_alandalus
@son_of_alandalus 5 жыл бұрын
Malay Archer did an oopsie
@jordinagel1184
@jordinagel1184 5 жыл бұрын
Malay Archer *laughs in Minoan*
@truthissacred
@truthissacred 5 жыл бұрын
I see you everywhere
@shaun_177
@shaun_177 3 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the horror these legions went through. I'm in the military myself and was stationed in Italy for a few years. A lot of training in the alps and Germany. Been to many of these locations and we would talk about it on guard at night. Looking out at the sea of endless trees. Dark, foggy, damp and cold. Just imagining being a Roman Soldier looking into those woods thinking there are thousands of warriors in there waiting to rip my heart out . And this is their backyard.
@ciaranmck4469
@ciaranmck4469 3 жыл бұрын
You think that was bad you should hear about the Romans who went there 6 years later to find the bodies, let's just say it was well documented
@shaun_177
@shaun_177 3 жыл бұрын
@@ciaranmck4469 you got sources on it ? I'd like to read it
@ciaranmck4469
@ciaranmck4469 3 жыл бұрын
@@shaun_177 timeline world history made a documentary on this battle (its mostly about stuff we found there in the modern day)
@shaun_177
@shaun_177 3 жыл бұрын
@@ciaranmck4469 cool ill check it out thanks !
@ciaranmck4469
@ciaranmck4469 3 жыл бұрын
@Default Name yeah mate no one asked
@cheerfulpessimist952
@cheerfulpessimist952 5 жыл бұрын
Publius Quinctilius Varus: "Don't worry guys, I have a plan!" *Publius Quinctilius Varus has left the game (disconnect by user)*
@MalayArcher
@MalayArcher 5 жыл бұрын
Cheerful Pessimist LOL
@heathenfire
@heathenfire 5 жыл бұрын
So true😂
@kaisermoneybags4450
@kaisermoneybags4450 5 жыл бұрын
+1 Cunning
@cristhianramirez6939
@cristhianramirez6939 4 жыл бұрын
A SHARP and STABBING plan *Varus kills himself*
@jennylee9278
@jennylee9278 2 жыл бұрын
He was planning to sue them into poverty.
@HistoryTime
@HistoryTime 5 жыл бұрын
Give me back my Legions!!
@AnhTrieu90
@AnhTrieu90 5 жыл бұрын
No
@baldwinslab
@baldwinslab 5 жыл бұрын
Poor Augustus!
@michanycz7166
@michanycz7166 5 жыл бұрын
Only if you say it in Brian Blessed's voice. ;-)
@romelnegut2005
@romelnegut2005 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Pete.
@太守苏定交趾
@太守苏定交趾 5 жыл бұрын
Quintili Vare, legiones redde!
@MrDuckTrollson
@MrDuckTrollson 5 жыл бұрын
When you're marching through Teutoburg forest and suddenly hear: Guten Tag
@KapiteinKrentebol
@KapiteinKrentebol 5 жыл бұрын
They would respond with "Scheiße!" in Latin.
@gyanmarcorole
@gyanmarcorole 5 жыл бұрын
@@KapiteinKrentebol or merda
@toddharig8142
@toddharig8142 5 жыл бұрын
Ich bin ein Berliner
@juliusnorr3041
@juliusnorr3041 5 жыл бұрын
*Italian school Trip to Germany* Kids stay Out of the Forests!
@BritishJamaican777
@BritishJamaican777 4 жыл бұрын
I love the German strategy here! No wonder children's stories make forests so scary!
@Mattyhollis
@Mattyhollis 5 жыл бұрын
PUBLIUS QUINCTILIUS VARUUUUS, GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIONS!
@Shreendg
@Shreendg 5 жыл бұрын
Molon Labe - Armenius, probably.
@MijnAfspeellijst1234
@MijnAfspeellijst1234 5 жыл бұрын
i was waiting for this :D
@MijnAfspeellijst1234
@MijnAfspeellijst1234 5 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZfUk2aZhbWZq68
@markuhler2664
@markuhler2664 5 жыл бұрын
They need a necromancer. But a Zombie Legion would be bad ass.
@jamescox2452
@jamescox2452 5 жыл бұрын
He was rumoured to have banged his head on a wall whilst yelling this
@lennartherix6872
@lennartherix6872 5 жыл бұрын
One intresting fact is, that due to the heavy rain the roman schields were soaked and to heavy to fight which deprived them of their first defense line
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Good note!
@rmtheg234
@rmtheg234 5 жыл бұрын
Not to mention strong winds along with rain, which made the roman shields acted like sails.
@romelnegut2005
@romelnegut2005 5 жыл бұрын
Indeed. I don't remember if there were archers present there but if they were, the bows would have been useless as well.
@bkjeong4302
@bkjeong4302 5 жыл бұрын
Basically; the Roman legions were incredibly effective if they could fight in the open under good conditions. These weren’t good conditions.
@TheChiconspiracy
@TheChiconspiracy 5 жыл бұрын
​@@bkjeong4302 They were strung out and lost the significant advantage of the mass pila barrage, which did a lot to shatter the morale of the enemy. Though I never pictured the Romans as being inherently at a disadvantage out of open combat, after all, they had a LOT of experience in siege battles, which outnumbered open field battles by a wide margin.
@Nikkimond
@Nikkimond 5 жыл бұрын
Germania, the Roman Vietnam.
@matevajda3176
@matevajda3176 5 жыл бұрын
@@kikebautista2110 Yup, and in the long run it proved to be as effective as the Great Wall of China. Plus what imigration do you mean? The Gothic, Visigothic and Vandal invasions? :D
@matevajda3176
@matevajda3176 5 жыл бұрын
@@kikebautista2110 What I meant to say with the Great Wall analogy way, that the Romans built up a devensive line over territory hardly worth fighting for. The Limes may have been deffendable but it locked down many troops that could have been used elsewhere. I didn't mean that it was a bad fortification, I meant that ultimately, it cost way more than what it brought in return. As with any antique empire, it became a necessity for Rome to expand to keep the influx of goods the citizens desired. The further away they got from from the core of their realm, the less effective these conquered territories became (more on that later). Rome might have "had the might to conquere Germania" but that's irrelevant as long as they can't hold it afterwards, which was the case for a long time. Subduing that region would've been madness: the people there were most of the time self-sufficient and didn't necessarrily have the means/experience to join the Roman vassalage by trading of surpluss they didn't produce. Plus pinning them down, even integrating them would've taken immense manpower and funds. This is why the Empire so often colonised its outer rims by settling down tribes it had entered an alliance with. I don't agre with the idea of weighing short-term power against long-term sustainability. So immigratipn is a funny concept in this context. Wether you put apart ethnicities or those with or without citizenship, the kingdom/republic/empire had always been diverse. It is however not surprising, that as a nation grows and incorporates more peoples, it becomes more prone to fracturing along ethnic borders. Although blaming "non-roman" romans for the fall of their empire is sonething I find odd. Infighting had fractured Rome on multiple ocasions and I firmly believe that the only reason we are not looking on them with rhe same eye is vecause theye weren't the last such internal conflicts. There were numerous civil wars and political betrayals during the centuries, yet we only view the fall with such scrutuny, which I believe is unjust.
@theotterguy
@theotterguy 5 жыл бұрын
@Gary York Hahahaahahaa .bone spurs ,draft dodging Trump .lol You do know Nixon was president when Vietnam ended …..a Republican crook just like tRump,the slum lord idiot. Fuck I'm happy I am not American.
@fritzcat1788
@fritzcat1788 5 жыл бұрын
oak jungle
@lunariclunestra8335
@lunariclunestra8335 5 жыл бұрын
How can a discussion about history turn into a political one? smh. Aufwiedersehn.
@txgunguy2766
@txgunguy2766 3 жыл бұрын
What I like about this channel's battle animations is the visible damage to the unit indicators and the busting glass sound when they are destroyed. That's pretty cool.
@jamiejamie9549
@jamiejamie9549 2 жыл бұрын
Rome 2 total war
@drakon_Phoenix
@drakon_Phoenix Жыл бұрын
@@jamiejamie9549I don’t think he is talking about those animations
@tonytruong861
@tonytruong861 5 жыл бұрын
It's all fun and games until the trees speak german.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty much!
@EmilReiko
@EmilReiko 5 жыл бұрын
@ParadoxInteractivePlay prote-old german i belive
@Gray13475
@Gray13475 5 жыл бұрын
Pre-Proto-Germanic and Proto-Germanic had evolved into the West Germanic, East Germanic and North Germanic Dialects by the Common Era. The Cherusci, were West Germanic and Ingvaeonic(Old Saxon/Low German, Old Frisian/Frisian Languages, Old English/English); ultimately forming into one of the contingents of the Saxon People(s), by 300 AD. They are lost to History after that. Cherusci, could come from either/or or both Ancient Germanic roots of *Herut(Hart/Modern English: Deer) and *Heru(Old English: Heoru/Modern English: Sword).
@thurianwanderer
@thurianwanderer 5 жыл бұрын
Usually, I hate to waste food for some random trolls, but, oh boy, I had a good laugh! Whatever you'd try to prove: In 9 AD the language the Cherusci spoke was a Germanic one (Pliny actually connected them with the Erminonic group), although it's considered Proto-Germanic, we may already assume slowly diverged dialectal forms (see Ingvaeones, Istvaeones, Erminones) or at least first traces of an early West Germanic. *Segimêriz (Segimerius), *Ingwamêriz (Inguiomerus), *Harjamêriz (Chariomerus) still show the Proto-Germanic ê, three centuries later *Hnôdomâri / *Wadomâri / *Suomâri, *Swâmâri? (Chnodomarius 357, Vadomarius 361, Suomarius 4th century), thus the process of the West Germanic lowering of ê to â might have appeared between the first and fourth century. Old High German is a term introduced in the 19th century, it describes a dialectal continuum which took part in the second sound shift (6th to 8th century) and obviously separated from the Old Low German continuum (Old Saxon, Old Low Frankish), within itself O.H.G never was a singular language, but still people mistake it, comparing it to the late standardized Modern German language (Dachsprache). O.H.G as well as Middle High German and in fact New High German have always been collective terms. The O.H.G period stretched roughly from the 7th/8th to the 11th century. (The 2. sound shift might have started in the 6th century, there's not much evidence though. Butilinius (*Butilîn) an Alamannic duke in the mid 6th century, in other sources the same name appears as Buccelenus (*Buzzilîn), which clearly indicates the second sound shift. It's considerable, that you'll bring up the so called Nordwestblock hypothesis by Hans Kuhn, who implies, that Cherusci as Chatti as well derived from an unknown people that might have lived there at the lower Rhine along the coast in modern day Netherlands and Belgium, probably 1. another nameless Indo-European branch or 2. a small remnant of a pre-Indo-European / Old European people. Connected with the Belgae people, who are seen as those candidates, during Caesar's time, he described the Belgae unspecifically as a confederation of mixed Celtic and Germanic tribes. For some cases, I find it quite interesting, that the Istvaeonic/Iscvaeonic group (which later built the ground for the tribal federation of the Franks) along the Rhine appears somewhat secluded. Whether do we know what the name of the Istvaeones ment (Ist-/Isc-, depending on the reading of the remaining medieval copies of Taciti Germania, in the Carolingian minuscle c and t sometimes had a similar shape, especially in this case c after the long s = ſ , the connecting line is usually drawn from the hook downwards) - nor do we know what exactly separated them from the Erminones and Ingvaeones.
@davidec.4021
@davidec.4021 5 жыл бұрын
Too soon man
@eriklambert7272
@eriklambert7272 5 жыл бұрын
I'm going out on a limb and saying he never got those legions back...
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Not even close. :-)
@blazedyoda8608
@blazedyoda8608 5 жыл бұрын
Why couldn't he get those legions back? Isn't he the emperor?
@OfficiallyDevin
@OfficiallyDevin 5 жыл бұрын
If you count getting their corpses back as the next best thing, he won't be completely out of luck - watch out for that in the next germanic wars video eh? :D
@ThinkerYT
@ThinkerYT 5 жыл бұрын
lmao!
@louisswanepoel1614
@louisswanepoel1614 5 жыл бұрын
Perception 10000000
@Fortify2030
@Fortify2030 5 жыл бұрын
Arminius reminds me Scanderbeg (George Kastrioti). Both were taken as hostages and raised by foreign empires. Both escaped and led a rebellion. Both won battles against powerful superpower empires at their peak of might.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can see the similarities.
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 5 жыл бұрын
Arminius didn't escape. He was a Roman Citizen, and a commander of the same army he destroyed.
@Fortify2030
@Fortify2030 5 жыл бұрын
@@neutronalchemist3241 1. He wasnt commander, he was just advisor of commander 2. Scanderbeg also was a janissary and citizen of Ottoman Empire (muuuch more softer towards conqured nations than roman empire)
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 5 жыл бұрын
@@stevenpaddybwoy Arminius' brother, Flavus, served in the legion like him, he kept on fighting under Tiberius vs his brother, and was even granted a meeting with Arminius first than the battle of Weser. The two had to be separated by the legionaries after Arminius mocked Flavus' Roman decorations he gained during the campaign in Illiricum.
@smarterthanurkel
@smarterthanurkel 4 жыл бұрын
It‘s because it is basically the same story that got copied all over Europe. Literature and not history. It cannot be traced back from where this story originally comes from. Though it might go back to a core story that really happened it is totally unclear whether it goes back to roman times or not and whether it happened at all.
@R3GARnator
@R3GARnator 5 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Due to this battle, Creative Assembly gave German and Holy Roman Empire generals at the start of their respective Rome Total War and Medieval Ii Total War, traits that made them better in ambushes.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
See, I had no idea!
@roodborstkalf9664
@roodborstkalf9664 5 жыл бұрын
Not without reason, this was one of the best ambushes ever
@peterl5804
@peterl5804 4 жыл бұрын
It’s great to visit the actual site north of Münster. There are four museums in total dedicated to the battle. One displayed the entire Roman Entourage in playmobil figures.
@DanielWW2
@DanielWW2 5 жыл бұрын
3:52 RIP Aggripa, the most badass Roman general/admiral/engineer/constructor/administrator.
@MDud-pg2un
@MDud-pg2un 5 жыл бұрын
Augustus and Agrippa, what a badass team did they create
@cristhianramirez6939
@cristhianramirez6939 4 жыл бұрын
@@MDud-pg2un They were a badass team in the ps2 game Shadow of Rome,how good that game was...
@tony54151
@tony54151 4 жыл бұрын
Marco Antonio wos Badass.
@thenativetrouttrout8230
@thenativetrouttrout8230 4 жыл бұрын
@@cristhianramirez6939 wheres the laugh emoji......everythings a video game or a netflix special with you morons....
@iche9373
@iche9373 3 жыл бұрын
So Aggripa was a Roman Elon Musk?
@AlextheRambler
@AlextheRambler 5 жыл бұрын
Great work, I love watching these
@Dragonite43
@Dragonite43 5 жыл бұрын
It is Alex the Rambler with more Hearts of Iron 4! :P
@kisajiking5836
@kisajiking5836 5 жыл бұрын
Hello sir, remember when I suggested and requested if you can make a video about this? I cannot believe that you really did it, I'm so thankful to you for this, God bless and love you channel! Thanks a lot, I cannot put it in words
@ThinkerYT
@ThinkerYT 5 жыл бұрын
This channel is just the frickin bomb!!!
@dominiksucic2206
@dominiksucic2206 5 жыл бұрын
All of the battles will get covered, it is just a matter of time
@ThinkerYT
@ThinkerYT 5 жыл бұрын
@@dominiksucic2206 i totaly agree.
@siechamontillado
@siechamontillado 5 жыл бұрын
I hate to quibble Kisaji, but it does look like you did put it down in words!
@kisajiking5836
@kisajiking5836 5 жыл бұрын
@@siechamontillado I'm talking about my feelings when I said that
@1themaster1
@1themaster1 3 жыл бұрын
What a masterpiece of a battle. A combination of guerilla, choke point and kill zone ambush tactics, paired with deliberate use of terrain and weather conditions.
@Conan_the_Based
@Conan_the_Based Жыл бұрын
It helps when you have a traitor spy who can literally tell the enemy to walk into your death trap.
@hokeywolf3416
@hokeywolf3416 Жыл бұрын
Except revenge was a bitch.
@OviCotrus
@OviCotrus Ай бұрын
Master one jew
@RichieSchwarzman
@RichieSchwarzman 4 жыл бұрын
In a book called "Decisive battles" by Geoffrey Regan, he concludes his narrative of the battle with what impact it had on the future development of the area. This victory meant a symbol for the germanic tribes, that Rome is not invincible. Their attempt to move the borders permanently failed and Germania was never colonized as Gaul had been. If it had been thus colonized - would the germanic tribes later become pacified? And never start their raids and invasions of the empire and Rome itself which were one of the causes of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire? Would actually Rome fall? If you think about it - if this battle ended in a different way, the course of the history would be so different, that reason cannot fully accept the possible consequences.
@12tanuha21
@12tanuha21 4 жыл бұрын
In your theory you forget the huns, which was the main cause the germanic tribes started to move southward at once. They feared the huns more than the romans.
@zainmudassir2964
@zainmudassir2964 3 жыл бұрын
Huns,Vandals and Visigoths actually came from further East. Also the Franks were German people who settled in Gaul and that's where France gets it's name from.
@AceTheCap823
@AceTheCap823 2 жыл бұрын
The Romans could’ve conquered Germania if they wanted, but the cost would be too high….unlike Gaul which was very flat and open, Germania was dense swampy forests with some flat plains for agriculture which is not ideal for Roman style of combat….Germania also didn’t offer the resources that Gaul did….plus Germanic tribes were far less untied and “civilized” than the gaulic people so Rome couldn’t use politics and alliances to assimilate the tribes nearly as well
@HartmutJagerArt
@HartmutJagerArt 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, If Rome had totally defeated Germania - perhaps Hitler would not have happened; but then Rome was already top-heavy and overstretched and would have collapsed eventually, as it did later. -
@thanosalaarson8290
@thanosalaarson8290 2 жыл бұрын
@@HartmutJagerArt what?
@Rayhid1956
@Rayhid1956 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting piece of history to know. Many years ago, I've visited the huge monument dedicated to Arminius by Detmold, Germany. One can climb to it and see the forest around the area.
@fynnwind2494
@fynnwind2494 4 жыл бұрын
Hope you liked my hometown ;)
@nancybarnes29
@nancybarnes29 4 жыл бұрын
@@fynnwind2494 herman the german is his popular moniker, a treasured first name among the volk vty r.wachendorf
@sabineroach5486
@sabineroach5486 2 жыл бұрын
Hermann, we call him: das Herrmannsdenkmal built in the 19th century🙂
@Bleachontop22
@Bleachontop22 5 жыл бұрын
Roses are red, Italy has many regions QUINCTILIUS VARUS GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIONS
@sectorgovernor
@sectorgovernor 5 жыл бұрын
That's good :D
@treyloizzo9233
@treyloizzo9233 5 жыл бұрын
I prefer “Gaul has three regions” rather than Italy.
@GonzoTehGreat
@GonzoTehGreat 5 жыл бұрын
The Romans were dead when they lost their lost cohesion; Quinctilius Varus, give me back my Legions!!
@hesiod5768
@hesiod5768 4 жыл бұрын
@@treyloizzo9233 I had to learn that at school, and recite it from memory. Gaul est omnis devisia in partes tres... and as there was an argument at the time about the pronunciation of "v", woe betide the boy who said devisia instead of dewisia. Thank the Gods for Monty Python.
@Humpelstilzchen
@Humpelstilzchen 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣😂
@ΧΑΡΗΣΚΟΥΡΗΣ-ψ3ν
@ΧΑΡΗΣΚΟΥΡΗΣ-ψ3ν 5 жыл бұрын
When trees speak Proto-Germanic.
@ΧΑΡΗΣΚΟΥΡΗΣ-ψ3ν
@ΧΑΡΗΣΚΟΥΡΗΣ-ψ3ν 4 жыл бұрын
@@frenchguitarguy1091 You are probably right.
@MMadesen
@MMadesen 3 жыл бұрын
@@ΧΑΡΗΣΚΟΥΡΗΣ-ψ3ν The trees spoke a form of western germanic.
@julioalbertoherrera1339
@julioalbertoherrera1339 3 жыл бұрын
@AUGUSTUS If you are not an ally of Rom, maybe you're an ally of the Germanic tribes...!!
@bogdan3386
@bogdan3386 5 жыл бұрын
I saw many documentaries about this subject but I think this is the most accurate video about this is probably the best. Congratulations you made in 18 minutes a better job than most of those documentaries in 1 or 2 hours.
@imnotagundam906
@imnotagundam906 5 жыл бұрын
Quick!!, Load the quick save!!!
@DevilGiga
@DevilGiga 4 жыл бұрын
The soundtrack in this episode was flawlessly spot on! Gave me a true feelling of the desperation and terror the romans felt.
@ateidmon9835
@ateidmon9835 4 жыл бұрын
This is why you always need to quick save before moving your armies in unknown territory
@sealofapoorval7437
@sealofapoorval7437 3 жыл бұрын
I saw this battle on the show Barbarians! Thanks for the recommendation !
@AGS363
@AGS363 5 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: Meanwhile Augustus inner bodyguard, was completely composed of...german mercenaries.
@fyfoh
@fyfoh 5 жыл бұрын
Arminius, or Hermann, is still celebrated as a folk hero. There is/was a society of German settlers in the USA called Sons of Hermann. Here in Dallas, TX there is a Sons of Hermann hall, a popular dance/cultural venue.
@robwalsh9843
@robwalsh9843 4 жыл бұрын
"Gimme back....gimme back my legions" -Lynyrdius Skynrdius
@ryanl1491
@ryanl1491 5 жыл бұрын
Incredible video. sometimes i find real history hard to believe, this makes game of thrones look like childs play. i cant help but to imagine myself to be in that legion as they are ambushed, lost, fighting through mud hundreds of miles from home.
@giannisdaoultzis12
@giannisdaoultzis12 5 жыл бұрын
5:40 that's not Rhodes it's Crete
@giannisdaoultzis12
@giannisdaoultzis12 5 жыл бұрын
@@MalayArcher It's ok bro i'm happy to help whenever i can
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
That is Bosporan Kingdom.
@ThisisBarris
@ThisisBarris 5 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the battle trailer that got me super hyped for RTW 2 only to be utterly destroyed by the actual game. Creative Assembly, give me back my $60! P.S: I love the new logo.
@ThinkerYT
@ThinkerYT 5 жыл бұрын
lmao you are not alone. My copy has been sacrificed to the gods already
@NoahWeaverRacing
@NoahWeaverRacing 5 жыл бұрын
It’s okay guys we still have Rome 1 to play and love
@evrensaygn1017
@evrensaygn1017 5 жыл бұрын
@@NoahWeaverRacing Rome 1 is actually, still, a very good game.
@ThinkerYT
@ThinkerYT 5 жыл бұрын
@@NoahWeaverRacing rome 1 best game ever
@davidcarlson4958
@davidcarlson4958 5 жыл бұрын
@@NoahWeaverRacing Imperator Rome looks like a good game by Paradox coming out in march, not the like tw at all but kind of, maybe.
@TheDominion37
@TheDominion37 4 жыл бұрын
Best history format I've ever had. I wish this was available when I was in school twenty years ago!
@davidschlageter5962
@davidschlageter5962 5 жыл бұрын
MY favorite battle of all time, loved the work, well done! :)
@Elandil5
@Elandil5 5 жыл бұрын
In the next episode The Empire Strikes Back. great video as always
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@GonzoTehGreat
@GonzoTehGreat 5 жыл бұрын
Given the debate in the comments a follow up video does seem appropriate! Fingers crossed...
@rosswebster7877
@rosswebster7877 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! My late uncle's aunt's land near Damme in northwestern Germany is actually on the site of Teutoberg Forest.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes, the forest is still there, which is great news to us all. :-)
@rosswebster7877
@rosswebster7877 5 жыл бұрын
@@KingsandGenerals You're welcome! Yes, and it has a great museum too! :)
@Thiudan698
@Thiudan698 5 жыл бұрын
It is not true, that this forest has "still" the name "Teutoburger Wald". The roman chronidt Tacitus called the battlefield "Silva Teutoburgiensis". In the year 1616, the historian Philipp Clüver just took the name from Tacitus and gave it to the foredt where he believed that the battlefield was. It was the "Osning" which he called "Teutoburger Wald then eventhough archeologists have proved the battlefield is "Kalkriese", which is not far from that forest but not in the forest itself.
@cole445
@cole445 3 жыл бұрын
You're laughing... A man just lost all his legions and you're laughing.
@kohtalainenalias
@kohtalainenalias 8 ай бұрын
Forces of darkness at play here...
@joshuasnow6430
@joshuasnow6430 5 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this for so long, and now, it’s here! I cannot tell you how happy I was when I saw this in my notifications
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for waiting patiently :-)
@joshuasnow6430
@joshuasnow6430 5 жыл бұрын
Kings and Generals you have no idea how wide my eyes just went when I saw your reply 😂
@giants2k8
@giants2k8 5 жыл бұрын
The production value on these videos are something else! I always love to see a Roman battle (or ambush in this case.) upload.
@randomguy4167
@randomguy4167 4 жыл бұрын
“Died suspiciously” in the reign of Augustus almost always actually means “Assassinated by Livia”
@nathanpangilinan4397
@nathanpangilinan4397 3 жыл бұрын
And even in death, Livia would kill people for she would teach Agrippina the Younger her tricks before her death. Or at least that is what Dovahhatty would tell us.
@mav8535
@mav8535 5 жыл бұрын
I visited the site when i was in school in Teutoburger Wald. Started my obsession with Rome, we re-enacted the fights and they told us why the Germanic tribes won. Was pretty cool.
@AncientHistoryGuy
@AncientHistoryGuy 5 жыл бұрын
Ooooh this is going to be good.... :D
@adamschaeffer1436
@adamschaeffer1436 5 жыл бұрын
I haven't even watched it yet because I am at work. But it's getting a thumbs up anyway. Something to look forward to while I eat my supper.
@sgtmayhem7567
@sgtmayhem7567 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. The Battle of Teutoburg Forest defined some of the borders that are still in use today.
@singingfox699
@singingfox699 5 жыл бұрын
When I had finished the video, I exited fullscreen mode in order to like it, only to find that I already had... I love the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. And I love your videos.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you :-)
@JackieFishHD
@JackieFishHD 5 жыл бұрын
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@hairycabbage5716
@hairycabbage5716 3 жыл бұрын
shalom jackie
@wikipediaintellectual7088
@wikipediaintellectual7088 3 жыл бұрын
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@agoodusername3647
@agoodusername3647 3 жыл бұрын
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@Fenniks-
@Fenniks- 5 жыл бұрын
Kings and generals will you ever do a Video on Basil the bulgar slayer ?
@collinsagyeman6131
@collinsagyeman6131 5 жыл бұрын
VASILIOS BOULGAROKTONOS!!!!!!
@dieselface1
@dieselface1 5 жыл бұрын
Basil II is the best Roman Emperor
@Fenniks-
@Fenniks- 5 жыл бұрын
@@dieselface1yeah he pretty much restored roman power
@andrewlica8305
@andrewlica8305 Жыл бұрын
Arminius or Hermann, the German has a large statue you can climb up into in New Ulm, MN. A lot of German settlers there and his legacy is still remembered with Hermann the German days, the towns summer festival.
@maskedm3owllin68
@maskedm3owllin68 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone who is interested, Netflix just released a series about this battle called “The Barbarians”. Mostly accurate and some of it fictional, Awesome story and would highly recommend.
@walter9899
@walter9899 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty good show I’m on the Last episode
@maskedm3owllin68
@maskedm3owllin68 4 жыл бұрын
@@walter9899 I finished yesterday, enjoy it mate!
@maskedm3owllin68
@maskedm3owllin68 4 жыл бұрын
@chetnoMAN It doesn’t have any agenda against Rome nor does it say bad things about them, it mostly focuses on the Germans
@SefniAsheforr
@SefniAsheforr 4 жыл бұрын
@chetnoMAN How can you watch that beautiful and tragic scene at the end of Varus' life and think that this is biased against Rome? He was made out to be a betrayed victim more than a cruel bad guy.
@SefniAsheforr
@SefniAsheforr 4 жыл бұрын
@chetnoMAN I actually did myself... rest easy General Publius Quinctilius Varus. Mors vincit omnia 😥.
@saltyshanker
@saltyshanker 5 жыл бұрын
15:15 BLITZKRIEG
@faroukdz7846
@faroukdz7846 5 жыл бұрын
Haha Panzer Divisions!!
@TK-3613
@TK-3613 4 жыл бұрын
Ghost Division
@shamatto22
@shamatto22 5 жыл бұрын
great episode bro your youtube channel is way better than the history channel keep up the good work bro thanks
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! We will!
@vincentjedlopez9979
@vincentjedlopez9979 5 жыл бұрын
Asia: trees speak vietnamese Early Europe: trees speak Germanic
@keysersoze1889
@keysersoze1889 4 жыл бұрын
Here after watching BARBAREN from Netflix
@flyfftreasure
@flyfftreasure 4 жыл бұрын
Same, but this is far better and obviously devoid of silly love stories.
@traderbychoice7560
@traderbychoice7560 4 жыл бұрын
@Arnold Wilson Because he knew he would die.
@donlansdonlans3363
@donlansdonlans3363 4 жыл бұрын
Is it good or just drama?
@cristianvillanueva8782
@cristianvillanueva8782 4 жыл бұрын
@@donlansdonlans3363 its got both. More drama than action. Everything builds up to the Final clash. Its worth a watch, for me personally I just wanted to hear latin in a non church setting so that was really intriguing. Its worth a watch
@AR-ii3ly
@AR-ii3ly 4 жыл бұрын
@@donlansdonlans3363 it’s alright.
@blue_ocean7774
@blue_ocean7774 5 жыл бұрын
16:10 man...the emotion in your words was perfect,narrator. Very well done 👌
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@blue_ocean7774
@blue_ocean7774 5 жыл бұрын
@@KingsandGenerals what the.... okay,i did not expect that :")
@farrell360
@farrell360 5 жыл бұрын
So many mistakes from Varus over these few days. Must have been frightening for the soldiers once they realised what was happening.
@williamwigham7866
@williamwigham7866 3 жыл бұрын
Not if you could speak German
@goodcitizen3780
@goodcitizen3780 2 жыл бұрын
The only mistake that Varus should be credited for is his failure to ensure the area had been properly scouted. Certainly commands were given. But think; how do you, the commander, know that your subordinates failed to be thorough? Answer: Once the ambush is already underway. This channel's account of the events is heavily lopsided and clearly stems from Tacitus (who wrote on the subject up to 150 years later) and was moralistic history. It was heavily embellished and contorted in order to fit his narrative, as was the rest of his work.
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. it's much more frightening for the new recruits and this battle is their first(and only battle)
@warrenhammer7262
@warrenhammer7262 10 ай бұрын
@@goodcitizen3780 I mean he killed himself rather than lead his people to safety, or go down fighting. committed
@goodcitizen3780
@goodcitizen3780 10 ай бұрын
@@warrenhammer7262 We can't view his actions through the modern lens. That would be ridiculously ignorant.
@pault9183
@pault9183 3 жыл бұрын
I went to the museum where it was supposed to have happened. It was very interesting and I would recommend it to anyone that’s driving through the area. It’s the Varrusschlcht Museum in Kalkriese, Germany
@dennisjeppesen9387
@dennisjeppesen9387 5 жыл бұрын
Romans are nice and all but what about that WARS OF THE DIADOCHI series?!
@TheRedemptionRain
@TheRedemptionRain 5 жыл бұрын
Dennis Jeppesen check their playlist
@kuleropa5437
@kuleropa5437 5 жыл бұрын
Yes please!!!
@orphydianhistory7822
@orphydianhistory7822 5 жыл бұрын
The scale and intrigues of those wars make everything else after look amateurish. They knew how to do war on eachothers. Arguably that was the last time Rome actually had competitors and not resistance..
@orphydianhistory7822
@orphydianhistory7822 5 жыл бұрын
@h ey I was actually talking and pleading for the diadochi wars. And the fact that the first collides of Hellenistic kingdoms with Rome made things even more fascinated.
@TheRealBruceLouis
@TheRealBruceLouis 5 жыл бұрын
i was wondering about it too, since the other narrator for this channel only narrates the war of the diadochi series.
@Stardog081
@Stardog081 5 жыл бұрын
Can’t get enough of your videos keep them coming KAG
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Working on it!
@abdullahalnoman9164
@abdullahalnoman9164 5 жыл бұрын
Finally the video i have been looking for a very long time.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Good!
@احمدالشهري-ر4ي
@احمدالشهري-ر4ي 5 жыл бұрын
WOW Arminius what a guy
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 5 жыл бұрын
Had already seen it on Historia Civilis. Still watched it. Was awesome. ROMA INVICTA!
@louisswanepoel1614
@louisswanepoel1614 5 жыл бұрын
Different perspectives from different sources is amazing
@johnnywalker1333
@johnnywalker1333 5 жыл бұрын
Roma invicta after teutoburg forest hahaha
@lewistaylor2858
@lewistaylor2858 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnnywalker1333 they did get their vengeance
@AbbeyRoadkill1
@AbbeyRoadkill1 5 жыл бұрын
My new favorite KZbin channel is called "Voices of the Past." Their videos simply recite primary sources from ancient history (while showing relevant images.) I find it fascinating to hear ancient people talking directly to me- like I'm in the room with them.
@Yoedric
@Yoedric 5 жыл бұрын
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 I can't find it, would you care to provide a link ?
@freddyhidding3378
@freddyhidding3378 5 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah just went to see the memorial. Been waiting for this one
@beelaroos7379
@beelaroos7379 4 жыл бұрын
Rome: we will conquer the world German Forest: and I took that personal
@iche9373
@iche9373 3 жыл бұрын
You mean Germanic Forest, not German Forest. Germany is modern, not ancient concept.
@chrisbagley4540
@chrisbagley4540 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing When I was in Germany I was a mere 90 miles from this site. I wish I had more time to go back and see this
@ZardozCologne
@ZardozCologne 3 жыл бұрын
the statue is boring; I recommend visiting the "Kalkriese" Historic Museum in Bramsche. Many archelogic relicts found on the assumed battlefield (there are several theories where the battle actual took place) are shown there.
@Blalack77
@Blalack77 5 жыл бұрын
I've always thought it was pretty cool how Rome and other empires would let conquered people keep their culture and just add a dash of Roman to it (or Greek in the case of Alexander the Great). But I guess in cases like this, it really bit them on the ass. I'm trying to visualize being in this guy's position. Depending on how Rome had treated my people, I could see it going either way, but I feel like I would have done the same thing. This is one of the coolest stories in history to me. With historic stories, I usually stand with the underdog. Wars between Scotland and England are other good examples.
@vonxoliver
@vonxoliver 5 жыл бұрын
Rome may have raise me, train me, but my loyalty is to my PEOPLEE!!!
@manisgreedy4725
@manisgreedy4725 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't loyalty, Arminius only understood that he could have become much more than a centurion, he took the ball but in the end it was his own people who betrayed him and killed him. The right end for an infamous traitor.
@johnnyhandsome4721
@johnnyhandsome4721 3 жыл бұрын
@@manisgreedy4725 He is still considert a hero in Germany. Many statues were build in his honor. Most notably the Hermann Statue in the teuteburg forest and his statue in the Valhalla in Bavaria. you can't betray someone if you've never been on their side
@manisgreedy4725
@manisgreedy4725 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyhandsome4721 was, as ever, just a power play. Nothing else. In the end his own "people" betrayed and killed him.
@DavideMontingelliOfficial
@DavideMontingelliOfficial 5 жыл бұрын
THIS IS PAINFUL...
@lucaloddo825
@lucaloddo825 5 жыл бұрын
Battle of Idistaviso E TUTTI MUTI BARBARACCI DEL CAZZO
@lucaloddo825
@lucaloddo825 5 жыл бұрын
Which bullshit did the Germans stopped exactly?
@DavideMontingelliOfficial
@DavideMontingelliOfficial 5 жыл бұрын
@Alien Alien lmao, Romans kick barbarian asses in Idistaviso Battle and after it the traitor Arminius was killed by his OWN people. That pathetic land was not worthy of Romanization.
@lucaloddo825
@lucaloddo825 5 жыл бұрын
This battle is a joke for Romans, I still don't understand why Germans still need to strumentalize it and make it bigger than what was exactly. This battle didn't change any sort of destiny for Roman Empire and didn't changed in any way the political asset of the German tribes in the area, Romans returned officially in Germany less than 10 years after varus and actually genocided the ridicle German armies of the area, Mr arminius eventually got killed by his own people, lmao
@lucaloddo825
@lucaloddo825 5 жыл бұрын
The reason why Germany didn't got romanized is bcs Emperor Tiberius was jealous of the military victories of his nephew, otherwise even your shitty swamps and woods would speak Latin as Romanians still do today
@danielanthony256
@danielanthony256 5 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video. Kings and Generals I truly appreciate the work you guys do . Thank you.
@thomasjordan5619
@thomasjordan5619 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a Lipke, I recently learned I'm an American Lippe. From the Teutoburg Forest.. this means the world to me, thank you so much🙏💕
@Daffa137
@Daffa137 5 жыл бұрын
Another video well done! One suggestion tho, is it possible to add some geographical features in regional map (5:00) such as river or mountains? It will be easier for us non-european viewers since not all of us are familiar with European terrains.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Good point, will try to improve!
@okok-ky4in
@okok-ky4in 5 жыл бұрын
crassus: we suffered a huge defeat varus: hold my gladius
@roberttucker1527
@roberttucker1527 4 жыл бұрын
mg juju this was actually a good one
@rockyblacksmith
@rockyblacksmith 4 жыл бұрын
In terms of numbers Crassus actually faired worse, but then, the Parthians were a foe the Romans actually took seriously.
@just4funyay804
@just4funyay804 5 жыл бұрын
This is madness! Caesar disapprove!
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Gets better. :-)
@joeykonyha2414
@joeykonyha2414 10 ай бұрын
This is GERMANIA!!!
@afresh2000
@afresh2000 Жыл бұрын
Thank you to VTH for recommending this channel amazing content unbelievable that you can find it on KZbin thank you
@MsDuketown
@MsDuketown 4 жыл бұрын
The 2 northern roads also need to go to coast, the Middle to batavorum etc.. at 02:50
@Mrkabrat
@Mrkabrat 5 жыл бұрын
-Lucius Aegius: ...Seems like we got promoted +Caeonious: Not the way I wanted it to be
@jonjameson2629
@jonjameson2629 5 жыл бұрын
Just when Rome thought nobody could possibly be a more incompetent commander than Crassus, along comes Quinctilius Varus. I truly feel sorry for the poor soldiers under him forced to go on this suicide march.
@chrishayes5755
@chrishayes5755 Жыл бұрын
Feel sorry for the invaders why exactly?
@Conan_the_Based
@Conan_the_Based Жыл бұрын
@@chrishayes5755 Because this was their one chance to pacify an area which had been a constant source of raiding and would continue to be for hundreds of years. Trying to simplify the Roman vs Germanian conflict as Invaders vs Natives is idiotic Hollywood bunk. The hatred ran deep and who knows who started it. Don't be a goober.
@sentbycyberliferk800
@sentbycyberliferk800 Жыл бұрын
@@chrishayes5755 Lands change hands all the time. You can't determine who owns who invades.
@philRminiatures
@philRminiatures 5 жыл бұрын
A superb and informative video for a famous and iimportant battle...Poor Varus, History is cruel!
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@davidkardos2794
@davidkardos2794 5 жыл бұрын
Battle of Teutoburg Forest !! I love it ! FINALLY
@宋英-j7q
@宋英-j7q 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best battle stories in History in my opinion
@saidtoshimaru1832
@saidtoshimaru1832 5 жыл бұрын
16:11 --- And the Oscar goes to...
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
:D
@DJ-jn3on
@DJ-jn3on 4 жыл бұрын
Totally loved that video. I think the Romans got what they deserved for their brutal and callous treatment of the Germanic Tribes. Granted the tribes weren't perfect either, but I thought Arminuis planned the ambush perfectly.The Roman retaliation afterwards under Germanicus was extremely savage and brutal.
@NoahWeaverRacing
@NoahWeaverRacing 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing video once again! Loving the Roman history videos y’all do
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, more on the way!
@KalashnikovPaouzzi
@KalashnikovPaouzzi 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the vids, I love cultivating many sources of a same story, every sources brings to light details unmentioned by another.
@justmoritz
@justmoritz 3 жыл бұрын
The netflix show was great, but honestly this would be so much for amazing to see unfold on screen. This is such a good story, even from a tactical perspective.
@mikek6159
@mikek6159 4 жыл бұрын
I think a Video on Agrippas life would be interesting...
@TheEncry
@TheEncry 5 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this...”Varus Give Me Back My Legions!”
@andrewhurtado9656
@andrewhurtado9656 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, this happens to be my favorite Roman "Period" and all I can say is Fantastic. All we need now is The revenge of Germanicus. As always, Thanx. Great new logo.
@RedTrauma
@RedTrauma 5 жыл бұрын
The quality of this content is always superb.
@rogersledz6793
@rogersledz6793 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
@TheElberfelder
@TheElberfelder 4 жыл бұрын
Tactical brilliant.
@ΛευτέρηςΤσιρίδης
@ΛευτέρηςΤσιρίδης 5 жыл бұрын
Since when is Rhodes located in Crete?(Laughs in Minoan hehe)
@JDC77
@JDC77 5 жыл бұрын
That's how the Cretans work. 😂
@nantzstein3311
@nantzstein3311 5 жыл бұрын
Not in greek *
@saperek7975
@saperek7975 5 жыл бұрын
The best gift for valentines day ever 😘😘😘
@ryanabercrombie7966
@ryanabercrombie7966 5 жыл бұрын
I am currently reading the book, The Battle That Stopped Rome by Peter Wells, and it is exceptionally detailed in its description of the battle of the Teutoburg Forest, the commanders involved and the relationship and culture of Rome and the Germanic Tribes. I cant thank Kings and Generals enough for this brilliantly presented video which really helped me to gain a visual perspective of what I am reading. :)
@TheKeyser94
@TheKeyser94 5 жыл бұрын
I think that a french editorial publish a very comic book about what lead to the battle of Teutoburg Forest, that the good thing about the french-Belgium comic book editorials, they publish from historical comic books, alternate history and fantasy, and the best of all, no censure.
@pyrrhus3445
@pyrrhus3445 5 жыл бұрын
So excited for part two
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Almost done. :-)
@AulusMax
@AulusMax 5 жыл бұрын
Quintili Vare, legiones redde!
@juanmam.2113
@juanmam.2113 5 жыл бұрын
great video! (as always) One question thou: What is an equestrian?
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! In this case Equastrians refer to the second class citizens of Rome, as in the class between the Patricians and Plebeians.
@juanmam.2113
@juanmam.2113 5 жыл бұрын
@@KingsandGenerals Thanks a lot! Channels that worry for the knowledge of the people are the best on youtube. And you guys are certainly one of the most dedicated on educating society. So glad I subded to you guys, keep it up!
@boahkeinbockmehr
@boahkeinbockmehr 5 жыл бұрын
@@juanmam.2113 you can also find it translated as "knights". As it meant something like "horse mounted soldier". Before the reforms, when roman soldiers had to buy their equipment on their own, being part of the cavalry meant that your family was wealthy and it turned into a term describing the lower uperclass later. To foreigners this was the highest rank they could achieve within roman society.
@RobinOnYew
@RobinOnYew 4 жыл бұрын
when you think that you have survived two attacks, so there is a chance to make it alive, and then the most high ranking commanders commit suicide.
@thezeitos469
@thezeitos469 5 жыл бұрын
I love how Arminius's face slowly turns half blue xD I almost expected a "dam daam daaaaaaaam" at that point.
@HistoryTimes
@HistoryTimes 5 жыл бұрын
Which defeat was more epic - Cannea or Teutoburg?
@roodborstkalf9664
@roodborstkalf9664 5 жыл бұрын
Cannae, but Teutoburg had enormous consequences.
@lewistaylor2858
@lewistaylor2858 5 жыл бұрын
@Marcelo Henrique Soares da Silva yes their strength and ability to recover from defeats and losses that would bring down any other empire is staggering, if you didn't beat them decisively you would face their terrible wrath and lose.
@rockyblacksmith
@rockyblacksmith 5 жыл бұрын
It always depends on what angle you want to take; In my opinion, they are equals in the most important regard; Their commanders. Both Hannibal and Arminius played their opponents like a fiddle, and that's why they won. Both knew exactly how their opponents would act, and used it to maximum effect. Cannae was a battle on an open field won through pure maneuvering, which was brilliant in many ways. On the other hand, the balance of skill between the two armies in Cannae was far more even than in the Teutoburg Forest. Arminius made perfect use of the terrain and the strenths of his men (fierce hit&run tactics). In terms of overall effect, both shocked the Romans. But after Cannae, they went on to destroy Carthage, while after Teutoburg, they eventually descided to stay behind the Rhine. So Teutoburg had exactly it's intended effect, while Cannae ultimately helped strenthen the Romans. It's also worth noting that Arminius' ability to unite the different Germanic tribes was a major achievement, since Rome was pretty good at playing them against each other.
@rockyblacksmith
@rockyblacksmith 5 жыл бұрын
@Gladius pax What persian empire? If anyone, that should be the Parthians, which had defeated the Romans some 60 years before Teutoburg at Carrhae. And the Romans never made it much further than that. Rome wanted Germania as a province, but it was more trouble than it was worth. And it was the battle of Teutoburg forest that demonstrated this definitively.
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