Archer vs Knight

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

Please note: This particular video is more for entertainment. It's just a game we play at events. Not a thought provoking test. Take it for what it is and don't read to much into it. In other words, all you historian types, don't get your jimmys in a twist.

[@John_14v6]

Thanks for clarifying. The archer would not stand a chance against a knight like this in full plate harness. But looks like you had some fun.

[@tarocook412]

@@John_14v6uh yea no, an English longbow generally can pierce plate armour if it hits at a perpendicular angle. The way armour protects is by increasing the chance of glancing shots. Hence, don't try this at home. A full draw weight could certainly still kill

[@John_14v6]

@@tarocook412 Im not saying its not possible, just very unlikely. The archer would have 1 maybe 2 chances to get a perfect shot to not only bypass the shield and pierce the armor, but to also cause a fatal wound. If this doesnt happen then the knight is on top of the archer with sword and shield and would easily defeat him.

[@adamsneath6976]

@@tarocook412 A full weight 160lb bow generally won't go through armour even at a perpendicular angle, you are likely to survive most shots except the lucky ones to the visor or gaps in the armour.

[@18IMAMGODINA]

@@tarocook412 Nope it wouldnt pierce it , 200 pound longbows werent able to pierce it , average bows cannot either . Bodkin and other armor piercing types of arrows are designed for gambeson or chain mail . Shield however wouldnt fare well at all , it would go streight through your arm and out the other side especially heavier arrows. The demonstration you watched is flawed because they used poorly crafted armor and wrong types of bows and arrows . Perhaps if in medieval times someone had a flaw in their armor an arrow shot from a 200 pound longbow would be pierced but i doubt it would be that much a fatal shot , it would be annoying having the tip of the arrow rubbing against your skin though.

[@pinkdogroslyn8832]

Me trying to kill that last damn archer in my Mount and blade siege

[@DeepNeuroAkiles]

jajajjaa Bannerlord 2

[@kristijann1886]

pretty much yea

[@disabledpigeon7265]

It’s even worse when you turn the corner and the next wave spawns in

[@gaoth88]

Its almost harvesting season

[@DeepNeuroAkiles]

@@gaoth88 hahahahhaa my lord

[@marcop1587]

Imagine how frustrating shooting a Roman Testudo formation must have been back in the day

[@alexcompierchio6269]

-last words of Marcus Licinius Crassus

[@marcop1587]

@@alexcompierchio6269 now that's a reference 👏🏻 I really hoped no one would bring up the Parthian Empire as I wrote this comment 😅 The Romans have had their defeats but I guess their military tactics and weapons must've been pretty damn efficient against arrows and such. Crassus though...one of those time where _"I'm Rich"_ doesn't count as a super-power 🤣 (RIP though)

[@horticulturist2338]

@@elmaxidelsur The only video of his I remember is him using a simulacrum for an English War bow which is massively more powerful than a horse bow. These bows were 6+ feet tall and had 100+lb pull weights. A better example I think are the historical references to the Norman Knights vs the Turkish horsebows during the First Crusade. The Knights didn't have plate cuirasses, and it said they walked through the hail of arrows and looked like porcupines at the end, with little ill effect.

[@marcop1587]

@@elmaxidelsur the exact draw weight of bows in history is still up to debate I guess, I've always known it to be around 35-50 lbs for straight bows and 50-90ish for composite bows which wouldn't be that big deal for today's standards. I'm guessing facing an army made of mounted archers the likes of the mongolian army for example would be problematic because of their strategic abilities and extreme mobility, the availability of fresh horses (4 each riders) and their ability to shoot as many as 20 arrows per minute, etc but not necessairly on the ability to pierce shields and armours. But that's me I guess

[@marcop1587]

@@horticulturist2338 no Turks envolved in the 1st crusade though

[@SnarkyZazu]

This music makes me want to challenge random people to a round of gwent

[@smegmoren370]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed.

[@squidking762]

Any idea what the music is?

[@SnarkyZazu]

@@squidking762 it's from the OST of the Witcher 3

[@saikrithiks2870]

Wants me to challenge random haughty peasants to a horse race with my superior racing cavalry saddle

[@pavel3659]

Cloak and Dagger

[@chaosvolt]

"I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow to the knee."

[@ivanpopov2788]

hahahahahaha... FUSRODOOOH!

[@sidlukkassen9687]

Still better off than Philip II of Macedon and Harold Haardraade.

[@BlueSkyCountry]

He DID shoot him in the knee!

[@cster9261]

Som how through armor

[@umbrellacorpmarketingdept7154]

Let me guess... someone stole your sweetroll.

[@jacobcohn546]

Fighting skeletons in minecraft be like

[@floricatamasan9452]

True

[@elqueobserva7663]

Really true

[@МаксКуржумов]

Based

[@monjilhalder414]

Lol

[@huzaifahahmed4303]

Yup

[@kemonyte4553]

I wish there would me more festivals like this one in my country :(

[@Baraodojaguary]

I would love to see more of this here in Brazil

[@tehalexy]

in germany we had many of those .... but corona is a shit turd :(

[@Renamoose]

We have Renaissance fairs in the United States but that's about it

[@esben181]

then organize them

[@elqueobserva7663]

I wish there were festivals like this in my country

[@freakoutu1.618]

“I’m honoured that a knight such as you takes an interest in me.”

[@staravatar7195]

Good old Kingdom Come

[@raddragon1373]

@@staravatar7195 I fondly remember shooting someone, going back 10 meters and repeat.

[@staravatar7195]

@@raddragon1373 or spamming r1

[@raddragon1373]

@@staravatar7195 Melee attack? Yer gonna get riposted mate.

[@CB-zq1ky]

Good to see you Henry!

[@markhatfield5621]

English archers were referred to as 'hunchbacks' as years of drawing bows which had a draw weight almost as much as the archers own weight deformed the back and shoulders. Even now, one can look at skeletons and know immediately who the archers were.

[@seraphwithatank6535]

That's scary.

[@lucchiasson8874]

But this is NOT an english archer. He uses a Èffing FLAT bow!

[@juanduenas1943]

Being an archer doesn't make you an hunchback, just a little lopsided.

[@juanduenas1943]

Also depending on the time period it was illegal not to be an archer.

[@Verticom10]

No way, i want to see a photo of an archer without a bow now

[@darthvegan]

2:29 "Just my knee" Yeah, but now you'll never be an adventurer. Sad

[@ctgx7735]

An arrow with that strength cant penetrate metal plate and mail.

[@gundalfthelost1624]

@@ctgx7735 Please tell me you aren't serious..

[@hillanderson6503]

Thank you kind sir

[@wishmaster6]

@@gundalfthelost1624 he is god damn right. What s your all problem people . Just kidding; love lollygagin

[@The8bitbeard]

Middle-ages illuminations depicting archers and warriors often show the warriors with arrows through their legs. Looking at this it makes sense, as with a shield the legs appear to be the only remotely vulnerable target an archer has to aim for.

[@crunofrost1276]

Well yes but if the warrior were to wear heavy plate armor like this lad, it would be almost impossible to pierce with a bow :)

[@sickelej3620]

@@crunofrost1276 a full force long bow arrow could definately Pierce full plate, and even when it didn't those things had some real stopping power. Getting one to the chest could knock you over if you weren't ready.

[@tigerbesteverything]

@@sickelej3620 Just no. 1 it is hard to hit the leg with a 150lbs longbow, 2 it would just glance off because harden steel is extremely strong, and 3 if you're only a few meter from the knight, you drop the bow and draw sword or you're fucked.

[@crunofrost1276]

@@sickelej3620 Of course, a strong longbow could potentially break ribs and knock you down but I don't believe penetration happened that often. The armor was made to have slopes so the arrows would slide off when stuck. Also, when would the archer duel a knight with a longbow at a perfect distance, to penetrate, the arrow should fly straight towards the armor and it should hit the armor at a perfect angle, which I really don't believe happened often. It's possible of course, but I would say it happened so rarely it's insignificant to even mention.

[@timk8869]

@@crunofrost1276 it ofc also depends on the quality of the armor, since not every armor was the same quality

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

Was almost afraid that first arrow would hit the knight through the eye slit.

[@golfwang3769]

fr why is nobody talking about that? dude could've easily lost an eye if those are real arrows 😂

[@theannoyedlink5153]

@@golfwang3769 The possibility is really slim, the visor is too narrow, and with rubber points is basically impossible

[@Vin-sv9fm]

You really think they'll use sharp arrows?

[@runswithbears3517]

look at the shape of the arrow tip you karens

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

@@runswithbears3517 Note: _almost_ afraid In either case, a shot from a bow into someone's can still cause some damage if it hits you wrong. Doesn't even need a tip for that.

[@zoidsfan2052]

This is very similar to how I want to set up my own harness. I would love to see the breakdown of this kit. Overall, good show!

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

Your wish is granted, check most recent upload. It's short and has no talking but you can see each component go on.

[@Ranstone]

This could be a light, competitive game. The slower the knight moves, the more points he racks up, but if the archer hits, he loses everything. :P Blocking, dodging and shooting faster would add points as well.

[@hanoli7933]

Now imagine the knight sprinting at you with the intent of caving your head in with his sword guard

[@LuanMower55]

I'd f*cking run

[@jackodonail1980]

Now imagine he is mounted upon a destrier.

[@tradend2817]

How imagine it’s a squad of them and your hear “run away” from the guy you came with

[@surgeonsergio6839]

Now imagine all of them are equipped with lances that can shatter your bones upon impact of the charge regardless of the type of armour you're wearing.

[@USPInx]

Now imagine 30-50 archers aiming at those mounted knights while they close distance, releasing a couple hundred arrows from 150lb warbows

[@retrogandalf7899]

What we often forget is that arrows could splinter on impact with armor and the flying bits had a nasty shrapnel effect

[@bigbrowntau]

That's why SCA requires archers shooting at people to tape the shafts with fibreglass tape to hold them together. Tests with splintered arrows were not pretty!

[@chaotixthefox]

That's why armor had pieces added on beneath the neck and certain visor shapes to stop the shrapnel.

[@bigbrowntau]

@@chaotixthefox They certainly did! I'm just thinking from a modern re-enactment point of view, where you need to be able to go to work the next day, preferably minus arrow splinters embedded in your face!

[@leedavis9576]

Not just that, a hit from a 200 lb. War Bow would deliver the energy of a .44 magnum impact. I don't think an Armored Knight could withstand too many of them.

[@bmxdoe]

@@leedavis9576 no it couldn't

[@gerainthughes2088]

the archer would have had a short sword to defend himself at close range

[@FieserMoep]

More importantly the archer would have friends to defend himself at close range. Best way to take down a knight is number of people and just wrestling him down and shanking him into the weak spots. Archers killed more Knights in melee at agincourt than they did at range.

[@oranjeboven9622]

A warhammer, axe or mace would be alot more likely, along with a dagger.

[@jokeofalltrades6155]

I actually am wearing a sword in this video! But, that wasn't the rules of the game. Haha.

[@oranjeboven9622]

@Alex Kroeger Most archers would wear armour too and adding a dagger would not hurt. The dagger is usually what kills the knight because its small enough to use when you are wresting.

[@blitzkrieg6076]

@@FieserMoep right, but the conditions of the battle also played a huge part. The French had to charge across a muddy field onto stakes while being fired upon by arrows. Even though they arrows didn’t do a huge amount of damage. All of it combined played a huge part.

[@JoFa876]

The archer's only real way to survive an encounter like this would be to run away.

[@edgarmaestre6622]

The new age of empires is so realistic!

[@geroschorch1365]

you're a funny guy eh?

[@PragmaticTornado]

That stung, as Age 4 was just released a week or so ago - with graphics that might have been _just_ acceptable in 2010. Starcraft 2 looks much better.

[@Crazyscob]

Fun fact: Knight armors weren't super heavy as people would expect, so they could charge and run with full mobility.

[@Haigen-MI]

"Wow the Archer class is really made of Archers"

[@teentheblue3644]

I mean even if the arrow head is sharpened, still there is no guarantee that it'll go through a whole fucking iron plated armor. Just to address how op a full plated knight in medieval was.

[@ihaveadream7858]

But they were actually neither the most destructible nor the most important ground units in medieval times. Archers were still more useful considering how weak they are against armor.

[@arminius504]

Imagine the knight charging him. The archer would be dead

[@RichWoods23]

@@arminius504 Archers weren't deployed on the battlefield in situations like that, or at least not by a king who wished to keep his kingdom.

[@albionslinger8451]

Knights aren't so 'op' against big stones though. A clean hit on the helmet or a joint, and they're out of service.

[@jamesforgie6594]

Depends. I’ve seen a lot of people do tests, the general conclusion is that even with proper arrows and the biggest, nastiest war bow available, you’re only going to get through plate armour at fairly close range, and even then might not penetrate far enough to actually do much. I’ve also seen those arrows go a couple inches through a shield, which would not be enjoyable for the one wearing it. Of course, this is me watching KZbin and other peoples work, so take it with a fair bit of salt.

[@BlueSkyCountry]

Holy crap, he actually shot him in the knee! That is DEFINITELY a Monty Python fan right there!

[@Noone-of-your-Business]

The "arrow to the knee" is from *Skyrim,* _not_ from "MP & the Holy Grail"

[@Infernapalm]

@@Noone-of-your-Business I think he was just meming

[@cyruslupercal9493]

Technicly an arrow wouldn't stop the knight fighting even if it penetrated. But it can't penetrate plate. And all the vitals are well covered.

[@lanceschaerer6875]

The archers of old were able to penetrate plate steel quite frequently actually. They used a variety of arrows in the field and though not easy to do knights in full plate were brought down by archers on the regular.

[@Candlemancer]

@@lanceschaerer6875 Not by penetrating the plate though. That is not physically plausible. Knights were killed by arrows through eye slots or joints in the armour where there are gaps in plate coverage. A single archer is essentially never going to win against a single knight, they only win by volume of fire.

[@LH_Vagrant]

Of course arrows in the legs (ignoring the plate for the moment) could hamper the knight's movement to the point where he was unable to actually reach the archer, who could retreat and possibly leave others to deal with the knight. That is assuming retreat (or repositioning) is a viable option.

[@konradplatt3833]

@@Candlemancer there were different tips. Some could penetrate plate but not chain for example. Some could penetrate chain but not plate.

[@Chris____.]

Im seeing the comment "Now imagine the knight rushing" a lot (with small arguments under replies) and I would like to note that, if this were more realistic: 1) the archer would most probably have a spearman infront of him to cover 2) if alone, the light weight archer could easily run away from the extremely weighted knight 3) if it was a thick bow and real arrows the first shot would of easily killed, but the knight could of also easily blocked 4) extremely armored knights(similar to the first one) were almost as rare as royalty on battlefield, one with this type of armor would be fighting someone else instead of an archer 5) likewise the archer wouldn't even bother to shot a tank, he would most likely target other archers -or mages- or shieldless men and finally 6) this game looks fun as hell

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

I will accept this comment. 1. Founded points made 👌 2. Comprehensive of the fact that the video is of a game and is not a claim of historical recreation of a Knight pitted against an archer.

[@lexlex44]

Actually, in reality, most knights were as resistant to arrows as this guy ! It's why they resorted to using maces in medieval times, it was to fight knight ! It was also very improbable to penetrate the plate armor of a knight even if you hit him point blank in the chest.

[@brycehilde7363]

I see, understand, and mostly agree with your points but there are still misconceptions being made. Points 2, 3, and 5 in particular. 1, 4, and 6 I agree with completely though. lol

[@MrCmon113]

I thought they were really mad lads before I saw that the arrows had blunt tips.

[@APprojection]

Well in movies arrow goes through shield, through armor, through heart and peaks out from another side

[@TexasLegionaryGuard]

This looks like a fun game to play, I understand that y’all play this as a game and all those people who are taking it as a serious representation need to relax, it would be cool tho to see this as if it was a real battle between a archer and a knight. Again though I know this is a game y’all play and it does look fun

[@rohatmora5538]

To be honest the Robin Hood movie in 2018 went to great lengths to make sure the archery scenes were as close to historical and legit as possible. Historically archers when solo did NOT stand still, they carried arrows in the shooting hand and were highly mobile. Saracen and Arabian archers were known to (and required by the Saracens) to fire 3 arrows in under 1.5 seconds...So if an archer was fast and mobile, he had a possibility of getting away or shooting from hard to defend positions. Still a lot of fun tho.

[@brundantheknighttemplar]

That’s awesome. That forest is beautiful! That’s not in Illinois is it?

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

Tomahawk Wisconsin

[@damuvang1915]

@@teutonicpenguin9593 Wisconsin really!!!????? Do you know if there are any hema or historical events in or near Minnesota and Wisconsin?

[@highlordsilverhand1228]

Must be magic arrows because most arrows are not getting through even most 12th century European Armor

[@someguyfromfinland4239]

People used mail in the 12th century, wich had next to no arrow protection at all. They could defeat broadheads but bobkins went through like hot knife through butter

[@txgunguy2766]

@@someguyfromfinland4239 Yup, plate armor, especially full suits of plate armor, did not appear until the late 1400s--early 1500s. Before that, chainmail was a popular choice for knights.

[@lupus2079]

But by over thousand Arrows it is not important.

[@someguyfromfinland4239]

@@txgunguy2766 plate armor appeared first in the roman time in the form of lorica segmentata, but the medieval steel armor started to develop in the 1300s, by early 1400s there were already semi full suits, however the classic medieval knight armor devloped in the late 1400s

[@sebastianjovancic9814]

@@someguyfromfinland4239 not entirely true, considering that they didn't just wear mail but would wear gambeson or some similar padding beneath that was better at stopping bodkin types! Todd's workshop has done some great tests of different arrow types vs different armour types. Broadheads cut through gambeson quite well, which is why chainmail on top of gambeson is an excellent pairing!

[@MusingsFromTheJohn00]

Archer vs knight in full plate... run archer, run.

[@soldieramerican5964]

But the Archer is NOT in fear of his LIFE, his adrenaline is not pumping, and the Knight is only walking at him.

[@seraphwithatank6535]

I think that's the point they're trying to make, archers are at grave disadvantage without melee support.

[@LuanMower55]

Well it is a game played for fun, in the 21st century. Nowadays we have no concept of how powerful and frightening a knight would have been; we are much more aware of how much more deadly firearms are, when compared to swords, war-picks, halberds and whatever the f else a knight may use.

[@alexmag342]

@Benjamin Whyte boggy farmfield terrain is what saved them, they would have been crushed otherwise, and the knights almost forced their way through their lines tho despite being bogged down by terrain, and this wasnt even the main force engaging

[@juancarlosdegoya2757]

@Benjamin Whyte there are still way more accounts of archers not being able to stop them than accounts of archers successfully stopping them, bows and arrows fell out of use way before plate armor, plate armor was still effective against early fire arms which were more effective than bows

[@juancarlosdegoya2757]

@Benjamin Whyte As I said, archers alone could not stop cavalry by themselves, there had to be other factors such as uneven or boggy terrain, or retreating back to the treeline where the cavalry would be forced to break formation or better yet infantry or cavalry of their own to defend them, at the battle of sterling bridge in 1297 and the battle of Patay in 1429, cavalry defeated unprotected archers who couldn't defend themselves on their own, let me remind you that archers were deployed in loose formations and were very lightly armored and equipped, at the battle of Agincourt the French knights lost because they got stuck in mud, which severely slowed down their charge, in advance 90% of the casualties by archer fire were from knights who had lifted their visors or had no visors to begin with and had been hit in the face with arrows, only very few of their arrows were able to pierce through the Knight's armor, archers had to be at very close range for their arrows to actually pierce the armor, the best way to do this was by pinning them down with cavalry or infantry, at the battle of Flodden in 1513 the archers were of little effect, because the enemy was well armored, and because they did not have a chance to shoot from very close range, in the battles of Barnet and Tewkesbury in 1471 the archers were left unprotected when their allies thought that they had been betrayed, the enemy cavalry was able to cut down the archers like butter, in Poitier only several hundred knights were mounted out of the 8000 who were otherwise ordered to dismount, and it wasn't the archers alone who faced the cavalry, as I mentioned earlier there had to be other factors for the archers to successfuly defeat them, in Poitier the cavalry charged up hill and initially resisted the English longbowmen who were of little effect, as the cavalry closed in the Infantry pinned them down but were in danger of breaking, it wasn't until the Longbowmen moved to the enemy's flank and fired at a very close range that the Cavalry was defeated, another small contingent of cavalry charged the enemy's right flank but were funneled by a ridge and bunched up which made them a target to archer fire and when they did break through the ridge they met with dismounted English knights not the Longbowmen who knew they were vulnerable the rest of the French army was dismounted, and they attacked them enemy in waves instead of in masse, and they were also funneled by the ridge and forced to bunch up essentially creating a choke point, archers could rarely defeat well armoured mounted knights on their own, just as armoured knights could rarely defeat well positioned archers and infantry on their own

[@isaiahwelch8066]

Thing is, a lone archer could not take a fully armored knight 1v1. There is a reason why Agincourt, Crécy, and Poitiers went to the English archers during the Hundred Years' War.

[@ithuraktherolrim]

This is why if I had a choice I would use a kite shield.

[@benfrost9276]

Heaters are more popular because they are better in melle combat and lighter. Kite shields are clunky and can get you killed. Arrows where hardly ever Mounted and armed Knights concerns, they where more the concern of men at arms and militias.

[@ithuraktherolrim]

@@benfrost9276 I agree.

[@artanolografskiy1484]

@@benfrost9276 I must disagree. It is clear that you don’t know history much, if you make such claims. Here they are: 1. “Heathers are lighter” Historically that is not correct, or at least debatable since the heathers were thicker. 2. “Kite shields are chunky” Historically that’s incorrect, since kites were thinner and were held with boss on foot, and with straps when mounted.. 3. “Arrows were never mounted and armed knights concearn” Historically that is totally incorrect. Learn about the 100 years war. Well, since you don’t know about shields, let me educate you. Heather shields were invented during the age of full plate (14th century). So, by then, archers weren’t as dangerous to armoured knights as before (however still could defeat knights, like in battle of Creci). The goal of heather shields was not to cover you, or to let you hide behind them like you do with kite or tower shield. The heather shields were invented and used for blocking the heaviest blows that (even in full plate) you don’t want to take. This is why heather shields are thicker than kite shields. And this is why you can’t say they are better for combat. They are just a different type of shields that can only be used properly while wearing full plate, while fighting with full force.

[@sargi769]

For everyone arguing in the comments "Tod's Workshop" has an excellent video on the topic. This is just a game and it looks very fun.

[@rule-of-three1483]

This is how I feel whenever someone wants to play a grimdark campaign and insists that sneaky-stabby nimble types can fight knights any way other than trickery.

[@levranz1054]

Everyone gangsta till the mage class shows up

[@DOMDZ90911]

Now imagine that knight on horseback charging at you in full speed and aiming his lance at you. How terrifying it must have been. I would have just run away tbh

[@konradplatt3833]

Now imagine the archer with some Woods similar to modern Tank defence. The Knight could do nothing. As seen in the battle of Agincourt 1415

[@youareacoward8459]

@@konradplatt3833 The knight can just run towards him, you'r doomed as a archer vs a knight.

[@steirqwe7956]

@@konradplatt3833 English footknights did the job at Agincourt. Archers were the ones who forced French play by the English rules and charge into a massacre on unfavorable terrain tho.

[@rhodrison]

Be interesting to see thousands of archers with heavy weight longbows fire volleys onto thousands of plate armour knights

[@thehighlander333]

Knight: One of those does nothing Archer: How about a hundred Knight:………… 😳wolverines?

[@magnusthered4973]

Medieval shows should take notes the arrows are not on fire and getting through armor like nothings there or certain arrow tips could sometimes penetrate through plate

[@seraphwithatank6535]

True, but chain mail tangles arrows, and gambeson gives some extra space. Ultimately your unlikely to actually stop someone in 15th/16th century armor with arrows, that's why they were able to switch to two handed weapons. (Knights were also usually trained since the were seven years old, reaching knight-hood at 18ish.) If you were not an elite archer you were definitely fucked.

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

You won't really be able to hurt him even if you do get through the plate armor. Chain mail and gambeson is also great at stopping arrows, and is worn underneath the plate. Not to mention that most surfaces you'd be able to hit are very curved, and would easily deflect the arrow (like seen at the start of the video when he is hit on the helm.) Plate armor was used because it was really, really good.

[@PeterSolerom]

Even with real arrowheads an archer would have a very hard time doing any real damage agains a Knight in full-plate armor. It would work fine against chainmail and lighter armor, or against their horses.

[@fasiapulekaufusi6632]

Armor. Like a bell. Can ring the inner person with a hammer or a blunt weapon. Nothing sharp. Just something heavy.

[@lilith4961]

Shows why the armoured knights dominated the battlefield for such a long time. It wasn't until the crossbow and long bow came into use that there was a real chance to pierce armor

[@sleepingturtle32]

True

[@frocat5163]

No war bow could penetrate plate. Period. This has been conclusively demonstrated many, many times. The only chance war bows had of incapacitating a fully armored knight was to hit them in locations NOT protected by plate. Very high weight arbalests firing steel or mostly steel bolts could penetrate plate armor at close ranges. These mythical qualities people ascribe to the English war bow are just as nonsensical as those ascribed to the katana.

[@lilith4961]

@@frocat5163 i could be wrong but at least we can agree that the long bow and crossbow definitely shifted the balance of power in the battlefield

[@datgio4951]

Imagine if he just deflected it with his sword

[@karebear4485]

The dark side is the pathway to many abilities some consider to be…unnatural

[@Mike-nn7jy]

anyway, I think it's dangerous for the second knight. Even if the arrow is round, if it goes into the eye, then the eye is broken

[@juanlastra3502]

I was thinking the same thing

[@hraesvelgML]

Ah yes, the fragile eye bone. Even the finest doctors have issues putting that one into a cast.

[@dmitrikulkevicius9161]

Pffff.... my unit of peasant archers can pierce gothic plate armor, it's true I saw that on the battlefield In medieval 2 battle.

[@zippyparakeet1074]

Damn the nostalgia I got from the Witcher 3 ost. Quite based of you to use it though

[@MrGod-nl7no]

Can't believe the game's already 6 years old

[@RayTC]

based on what

[@umbrellacorpmarketingdept7154]

I believe it was the bard Ice-T who saideth, “larpin’ ain’t easy”.

[@noodles466]

This seems like such a good activity… teaches you reaction time which is an everyday skill we all need to protect the people…

[@robinthrush9672]

I hope there was eye protection under the visor. Given the kite shield guy, I suspected not.

[@Michael-ou6du]

Lol I was the ‘kite shield guy’, an 11th century Norman Knight. No eye protection. We were fine and the archer wasn’t aiming for our faces. I mostly covered my face when he loosed his arrows and the late 14th century plate knight’s visor wouldn’t allow the big tips to go in.

[@dankertester]

The truck In the back breaks my immersion 😂

[@travelerromo6425]

This is interesting, I can imagine if it was back in those days how it would turn out if they were trying to kill each other

[@seraphwithatank6535]

The archer would pull out a sword at that distance most likely. Edit: or axe.

[@RichWoods23]

@@seraphwithatank6535 Or a maul. Mauls were invented for a reason.

[@samuelmellars7855]

One quick shot at the farthest distance, then switch to a side-arm (sword, mace, hammer,...) I reckon. I don't know how much good it woukd do though. Running might be a better option

[@Erykfib]

An arrow vs plate armor isn't a fair fight. Archer would have to hit a knight where his body isn't covered with plate which is hard. Maces are perfect for plate armor, because they bend it and make knight's movement harder to make. In 1v1 archer should either run or (if possible) prepare a melee weapon

[@alexmag342]

@@seraphwithatank6535 more like runaway back between his own lines long before anyone was even that close, because if a guy on foot got that close what prevented cavalry from running him down. Archers main purpose was to skirmish, this means not really try to kill but to harass, amper the movement or prevent movement at all from enemies and if lucky injure enemies enough to put them out of combat, there would have been a whole formation of archers shooting as quickly as possible but at a far greater distance and running back once the enemy was around 150-100m as this distance can be closed very quickly by people on foot, if cavalry approached you you would be running much sooner than that distance obviously

[@AlanOdinson]

Very cool! We use to do similar tests for my kids archery classes with foam or rubber arrowheads. One thing to always consider with tests like these is that these arrows will be traveling MUCH slower than typical war arrows due to the added weight from the heads, bow design and draw weight. The other thing obviously would be reload speed as well as number of archers. While you don't have to reload at ridiculous speeds, this particular Archer wasn't averaging my suggested rate of at least one arrow per second

[@frocat5163]

One arrow per second? Highly trained archers in the English army only fired around 12 per minute.

[@reaperwithnoname]

​@@frocat5163 It was done in cultures further East, and was possible because they used bows of a much lighter draw weight than Western archers tended to use.

[@frocat5163]

@@reaperwithnoname Yeah...I'm going to need to see the studies that indicate such a sustained shot rate is possible. I don't care how light the bow's draw weight was; sustaining a rate of 1 shot per second with _ANY_ bow is humanly impossible. An exceptionally well trained and fit archer with an incredibly low draw weight bow with arrows placed in the perfect orientation as close to the "loading" position as possible without interfering _MIGHT_ be able to keep up that rate for a handful of seconds / shots, but not for any amount of time that would matter. When averaged out over a period of 2-3 minutes, the rate would be considerably less than 1/second. (I would honestly be shocked if anything over 25/minute could be maintained for more than 1 or 2 minutes, but I've not read any actual studies that demonstrate this.) Furthermore, to reliably kill a human, you need at least 30# of draw weight equivalent to reliably kill a human at more than a few paces. The amount of energy required to continually pull that much weight at that speed will cause the archer to dramatically slow their shooting rate as fatigue sets in. If you don't believe that, go grab a 20# weight, hold it by your side in one hand, use your elbow and shoulder to lift the weight along your side until both joints are bent as far as they can, then lower it. Repeat that exercise 180 times in 3 minutes. Finally, even if such a rate would be possible, it would be completely impossible to aim. Even if one can grab, nock, draw and loose an arrow once per second, they aren't going to reliably hit anything, meaning the effective shooting rate is considerably _less_ than 1/second.

[@reaperwithnoname]

@@frocat5163 It's not necessarily sustained. Lajos Kassai is quite famous for the kind of rapid shooting I'm talking about. It's a specific subtype of archery for a specific type of fighting, not at all suited to the way western battles worked, for precisely the reasons you pointed out.

[@edgysquire1662]

“I am the bone of my sword” *Shoot one arrow*

[@kaoticsymphony4279]

Did I hear he just took an arrow to the knee? Well he's not an adventurer anymore.

[@supertriton1114]

That’s a very skilled archer!

[@Fallenangel_85]

Only by modern standards, since he wouldn't even be able to draw a proper bow.

[@alenahustakova1389]

Hard joke.....

[@anders7416]

nope

[@sesquipedalian6278]

probably more how I expected Bolton to fight Jon Snow at Winterfell; Ramsay trying to bluff his way into shooting Jon in knee while giggling madly the whole time

[@clearmelody6252]

Meanwhile, on Tod's channel. . . .

[@RayX987]

Knight: Ye olde haxor, thy use of le aim of auto. Bowman: Why thou es a noob!

[@stalker4474]

Me being amushed by some random Cuman in KCD

[@davidschneider515]

Love this video. The music is cool. Thank you for posting this video.

[@mrkemblegilstrap]

OMG! These knights have balls of steel!

[@Nightkrowler]

How so? If you look closely, the tips are blunt (not even field tips) and the bow seems to be fairly low power, I'd guess about 20lbs

[@Dwarfgourami]

If that was Lars Anderson he would 360 headshot him in that eyehole with 3 arrows in 1.3 seconds while being behind a wall

[@manuelfriend4060]

So basically, archers were like snipers and knights were like tanks.

[@KubernetePirata]

Been wanting to see who'll be crazy enough to do this. Well, finally I found it, good on you!

[@brandonedwards2608]

Would like to see that with an actual war bow. No way that was even over 60lbs. And give the archer a maul.

[@runeforrens]

That's what I thought. It seems for me real warbow would make difference. But still I don't think archer would not win in this setting.

[@discipleaj]

A well placed broadhead using a 60lbs or + bow will go straight through the chainmail. You don't want to be on the recieving end of one of those.

[@hang_kentang6709]

im pretty sure the uploader has mentioned that this was just a game they played at a fair. think paintball, but with padded arrow and low poundage bow. however, Tod's Workshop had done a test to see if a warbow can penetrate medieval plate armour.

[@lakshen47]

@@discipleaj A broadhead isn't really what you want against maile, more like a needle bodkin.

[@orichalchem]

Knight: Please stop shooting me Archer: But your approaching me Knight: i just to play a game of Gwent..

[@kleinjahr]

An interesting game. I assume the archer is not permitted to shoot and scoot? By the way, what was the weight of the bow? Looks like a 50 or 60 pound hunting bow rather than a war bow.

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

Yeah, archer has to stay put, and it was a 35 lb bow i think. not very heavy at all

[@bjornlange7483]

Have a look at the videos of Todd Cutler... He uses warbow equivalent draw weights...

[@grimrott250]

Wow it's almost as if Knights wore armor for a reason

[@mcnagi4246]

Nice music.....i appreciate it :D

[@dustinhoffmann6241]

We play a slighty different game. A line of archers with larparrows protect a sword in the ground, ca 1,5 m away from them. And our goal is to run, get and return the sword to our startingline ca. 50m away. Most of the time a suicide commando but the visitors love it.

[@samuelmellars7855]

Run *towards* a line of archers? Uhhh... Do I get a palliase? Or a few friends with shields? Or can I be on the archers team?

[@dustinhoffmann6241]

@@samuelmellars7855 Sure, you can be a archer or a crossbowman ( we are using low end lbs, 20-40ish). And those big larpheads make the arrow slow. Not like FluFlu-slow but you can avoid it. For the receiving end ... speed is key. Choose undergarments or less amour. Shield is possible but speed. Everything stands or falls with the mindsets of the archers. If they only shoot if your a very close ... it sucks, but if there is constant hail of arrows, then its fun. Waterballoontrebuchet is an upgrade and epic. Happy memorys...

[@HappyMSI1]

Sh*t, that sounds fun.

[@samuelmellars7855]

@@dustinhoffmann6241 Water-balloon trebuchet? Where do I sign up?

[@andyz.5431]

Knight has to charge zig zag then the odds for archer drop significantly.

[@sgregg5257]

At Agincourt the French vanguard faced about 800 arrows per second fired at effective range for 15 minutes. That equate to about 7 arrows persecond for each knight. The only thing that would come close to that would be enfilade fire from machine guns.

[@HappyMSI1]

They must have erased so much trees for that ammunition.

[@harperwalsh9041]

Did you redo your viking outfit yet? It would be really cool to see the upgraded version!

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

Yes! I just haven't had a chance to make an update.

[@harperwalsh9041]

@@teutonicpenguin9593 great! Well hope to see it soon, your videos are brilliant!

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

@@harperwalsh9041 Viking video coming soon! I just redid the suspension system on the sword sheath so it looks better.

[@harperwalsh9041]

@@teutonicpenguin9593 brilliant!

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

@@harperwalsh9041 Video up, let me know what you think! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJLcpIZ5dsiIn6s

[@reflective_lights]

Now I know how all those bandits in Skyrim felt....

[@ThatAngryLatvian]

as a European i find it very interesting to see Americans take part in this medieval theme, even tho you guys never had that chance in history, its nice to see you embrace it and have fun with it

[@ismaeldeleija8165]

dude, im going to tell you some awesome fact, north americans were europeans :O i know i know, its shocking, and one north american right now would have exactly the same similarity you would have with a Medieval knight from year 1,500, nothing but skin tone at most.

[@PennyGeist]

The guts people must have had walking towards someone shooting arrows at them...

[@leodiama8125]

I love the witcher song in the background

[@T_bone]

It really is fascinating to really understand the role of archer and armor in historical terms and realistically. Horse cavalry, pre stirrup and after etc. Anyone want to team up and make a crowd funded historical masterpiece?

[@DanLoadan]

Essentially the "parry this you filthy casual" meme

[@maciejm4738]

Imagine, everyone is laughing and suddenly the arrow goes into bloke's eyes

[@luvnotvideos]

Is that someone's private property? That castle is gorgeous!

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

Yes! Kelley Castle in Tomahawk Wi

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

Bows are terrifying, but so is an armored opponent (especially one on horseback).

[@funnysecksnumber6998]

why does is count as a valid shot when the arrow lands on his helmet or shin plate or any piece of plate armour really?

[@RichWoods23]

Because non-rubber arrowheads were somewhat more effective historically speaking, even against steel plate.

[@user-tk3uy7jl9x]

The bow in the video is weak (for war) and they're not using real arrowheads (so they don't kill each other). At that close range, the story would be much different with a heavier bow and real arrows

[@SaffronicSaffron]

Just another ordinary day in the King's Court to me. Really love these kinds of festivals.

[@J.Severin]

why is the first knight walking so slowly and why is the archer reloading so slowly? i know, its a game and not a fight to the death, but seriously: dont they want to win? a real fight would be much faster (and maybe shorter).

[@unlimited6884]

Because it's part of the rules every arrow fired the knight can move a limited distance.

[@neotim5]

Never thought there would be such a big difference between these two shields, thanks!

[@carsonjones528]

If he was using a realistic draw weight with heavy thick war arrows, those shots would hurt a lot more when they hit lol. But I like the demonstration, this was cool to watch.

[@cpt.diabetes6550]

And if the knight would act realistically (just run at him) the archer would get killed a few seconds after the duel started

[@carsonjones528]

@@cpt.diabetes6550 yes in a duel that’s true, but imagine thousands of these guys dropping several arrows per minute. And if your on a horse that thing ain’t lasting very long under that storm. And once you reach the archer he is also armored and has a melee weapon.

[@jacobmosovich]

His legend grows throughout the hood. Later he was seen commiting theft of the royal buffet table

[@knyghtmordhaus9170]

Imagine if he ran at him

[@teutonicpenguin9593]

That would be way harder for the archer. Lol This way it's fair and gives the archer a decent chance to land a shot.

[@knyghtmordhaus9170]

@@teutonicpenguin9593 wouldve been a great october spook to see you charge at him though milord.

[@hauki9286]

@@teutonicpenguin9593 But the archer could ran away and it would be much easier for him. The debate continues for ever.

[@banihurtado8221]

You know this is serious when The Witcher battle music plays

[@alwoolridge6377]

I doubt the archer would take such relaxed and accurate shots, or even make the last shot (at point blank range) at all, if the infantryman was actually going to attack him. He would've run away looong before...

[@synkkamaan1331]

It is amazing how much coverage the kite shield provides!

[@Scscsc345]

So that scene with jon snow actually wasn’t unrealistic

[@Hluz]

That girl saying kill him kill him really brings out the mid evil vibs

[@неболаја]

Slow draw archer, its sad coz arrows r in his hands xD

[@soilthestillborn4949]

A more historically accurate and more affective way of using that bow be to hold the arrows in your draw hand and load it onto the right side of the string and not to aim with the eye. Given enough practice it can be easily used as a close range weapon in a very fast manner, could easily take down two guys without armor standing infront of you before the other guy even reacts

[@steirqwe7956]

Yeah, and more historically accurate way to assault an archer would be running charge. Man don't be such a tryhard smarty pants and read the goddamn description.

[@gumshoe1285]

0:42 tis but a scratch, A scratch!!??, you're manly bits have been impaled

[@johntheknight3062]

The biggest mistake of these armored men is they are not rushing the archer the moment he tries to nock his arrow.