TF2: Gaming's Most BORED Community

[@RiverCiver]

ignore my points and keep 'em comin. you can call it rage bait or whatever buzzword you want, enter the mob because truth hurts. I'm glad Valve actually did something about the bots at least for now, as you can see at 10:34. The movement not working wasn't remotely the point of the video but you won't pay attention anyways so I don't now why I'm even bothering Doubling down until I'm proven wrong: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooPQZJyvpZtkjbM

[@Rat_S]

your points barely hold together. yeah, you have some valid criticisms but then you spend about 10 mins making fun of someone about how they sound, and then make fun of a community for wanting to play a game they enjoy. if you want people to take you seriously with your points, you have to at least take them seriously as well.

[@Migglersquiggiler]

I just came to laugh at you 😂 bro just make another video

[@panzerbanz7296]

Womp Womp you were probably a overwatch fan whos now jizzing his anger in this nothing burger of a vid Edit: This guy made 3 vids about Geometry Dash

[@diego11d73]

I reported you chanel imao and maybe if you want to have better videos just keep talking about gemotrydash and if you dont like you can too 🫡🔫

[@circuitsparkz]

dont listen to the nerds fire video

[@WeezyTF2]

I like how you used my video as an example of TF2ber copium, conveniently skipping over the part where I mention the chances of failure are 99%. Bait used to be believable.

[@Meridian453]

Bro does not care about the game or any facts he just needs attention 🙏

[@SiFWolf]

ok bro,,,

[@Ivory708]

Make better content bro. Also zesty jesus owned you.

[@Rat_S]

I don't even think bro watched your video, he just skipped to a random section and put it in because "tf2 players are stupid dumb dumbs and I don't like them. >:("

[@stephaniedibello2150]

@@Ivory708 ok quit being a jerk.

[@tootheinternet]

What if you play other games, but also want TF2 to be playable?

[@blazermettro2059]

You make a good point

[@goodknightpangestu470]

I love tf2, but with its current state ill play other games for the sake of sanity and actually enjoying video games

[@WAtheAnum]

@@goodknightpangestu470 so? and if those are also overrunned with bots? wouldnt you fight for it, being playable as well???

[@tootheinternet]

@@goodknightpangestu470 I play GMod, Rust, Helldivers 2, Dota 2, Fortnite and a few more, but TF2 will always will be my go to just to shoot and goof around. Or to play Slender Fortress, because I hate playing horrors alone.

[@goodknightpangestu470]

@@WAtheAnum i used to believe Valve Will do something because i believe Valve respect the game. But its been 5 or 4 or 3 years that this game didnt get the attention like they have on Dota 2, csgo/CS2. I play Dota 2 and they still get content even tho its slow but they at least continued the Lore of the game look at tf2 rn no final comics in like ever... But please i hope IM wrong.

[@MultiCoolmovies]

"God damn I watch TF2 videos and all they talk about in them in is TF2 related stuff. Why does every TF2 video talk about TF2? They must be bored."

[@ChewedBubbleGun]

The floor her is made out of floor. that must mean the house has a methane leak.

[@El.fish.the.chocolate]

​@@ChewedBubbleGun"There is not methane on the floor, because you did not see it!"

[@brickmickbrick]

For real

[@RiverCiver]

such a bad strawman. give this another try I believe in you

[@TheWhatShow]

>watch tf2 youtube video >youtuber talks about tf2 >day ruined

[@Ivory708]

Lmao cope

[@Antbrat4.0]

Lol thecopeshow

[@redsucksatstuff]

@@Ivory708‎

[@mr.banana2370]

Thats a waste of bait. You have a better chance at doing something by disliking comments on KZbin

[@mr.banana2370]

Im talking about the ones in the replies not the main comment

[@siennas254]

People still play tf2 for the same reasons people still play melee. Timeless art-style and we love the nuances of the mechanics. Just fun. Chill man

[@nigerianstatue3411]

Except Melee is an unfinished piece of excrement that Nintendo wants you to forget about and buy new product, and Valve is doing the exact same thing with Deadlock.

[@siennas254]

@@nigerianstatue3411 Yeah both are games that are neglected by their owners, I was referencing why people like them. Your comment reeks of elitism and unnecessary vitriol. Ironically demonstrating everything the video criticizes tf2 players for.

[@rockowlgamer631]

@@siennas254 To be fair, wave dashing was founded as a bug in the game so I kind of agree with nigerian about this point.

[@siennas254]

@@rockowlgamer631 Sakurai has already said in an interview he was aware of wavedashing well before release.

[@CoolSs]

god forbid we want to play games even if they are old. it like getting mad that chess is unplayable and should not be played/cared for, because it's old.

[@poobles6145]

shits on tf2 for having repetitive content like weapon reviews yet made like 20+ gemoetry dash videos talking about the same levels and circle jerking geometry dash, double standards is insane

[@Und3rcov3r]

Used to like this guys content when I was younger. I'm really dissapointed with how his newer videos are turning out

[@RiverCiver]

7 years ago oops

[@Und3rcov3r]

@Obviousthrowawayaccount 100%, I do like a portion of his newer content. It's just that a lot of the more opinionated ones are super exaggerated and hostile, which doesn't really drive his point

[@boi853]

@@RiverCiver even if it was a long time ago, you have to be aware that you basically did the same shit and thus you lose all rights to be bitching about it XD

[@Jpoi]

The difference is that he let go of geometry dash and actually moved on. Also, wouldn’t him doing something like that in the past mean that he knows what he’s talking about?

[@someone-that-i-used-to-know]

>Dunks on people who complain about the bad cosmetics 3:43 >complains about the bad cosmetics 7:09 believing this is crazy, but agreeing is ACTUALLY insane

[@HelluvaOpp]

Damn, talk about hypocrisy; what a shame.

[@someone-that-i-used-to-know]

@@HelluvaOpp its not even hypocrisy its just straight trollin

[@RiverCiver]

4chan spacing

[@HelluvaOpp]

@@someone-that-i-used-to-know Oh, right.

[@HelluvaOpp]

@@RiverCiver Bro your video’s formatted like an edgy 4chan post.

[@johnnyrakugakichnotachyet5307]

And also, the whole premise of the video stops making sense when you are making fun of someone talking about a serious crime like doxxing

[@RiverCiver]

what a specific thing to bring up

[@GleebieDeebie]

@@RiverCiver Its still relevant though, you literally made fun of the way most TF2 youtubers sound, which is just uneeded, how does it contribute to your arguement at all

[@HelluvaOpp]

@@GleebieDeebieYeah! The guy is tone deaf, AND AN EDGELORD!

[@H1CoDoe]

@@RiverCiver You can't talk about FixTF2 without failing to realise what lead up to it.

[@themythicwaffle]

@@GleebieDeebie ad hominem

[@kingkrool94]

I do agree with you that the "wholesome chungus TF2 based anything else bad" mentality is awful, A lot of people do. I also agree with your segment on the sheer amount of boredom we have. but it's just two things in particular that I just disagree with. "move on" Where though? Where is a game that has such great weapon design, visual design, and isn't competitive battlepass slop? TF2 is one of a kind (timeless if you will), that's the only reason it still has its players. there is no way in hell that something like rocket jumping or market gardening would exist in a post-COD industry. or even most of the weapons in the game. let alone a character like Spy. is it really that selfish to ask Valve to fix TF2? especially since they are still actively "supporting" the game by pumping microtransactions into 3 times a year? PS: TF2 Reddit and Especially Twitter don't represent most of the players, they mainly consist of people who just watch from the sidelines. kinda like Sonic the Hedgehog.

[@brandongrande9200]

obivously he's just don't get it

[@DaniZeAlmighty]

I kinda agree with some of the points he made, I used to have a terrible experience when I was new to the game because of the community, now at 1.7k hours, I decided to come back to it and see what's up, since I main spy, people automatically started treating me like crap whenever I failed a trickstab because people are more aware now than before. What's worse is when people say the tf2 community is the friendliest when I had friendlier experiences playing League of Legends. For the "move on" part, I agree that there is no character like Spy or mechanics like market gardening in other games, but in my opinion, playing the same game for a long time starts to get boring after a while. I'd recommend the Yakuza series or indie games if you want to try sometime.

[@OfficerIDPD]

Where, you ask? Bioshock 2's multiplayer has great gameplay, theres a lot of strategizing to be had on what plasmids, weapons, and weapon upgrades to use. Official servers dont really work, as Bioshock 2 is almost as old as TF2, but there are many small pocket communities that run their own private matches on private servers. Cheaters are not really an issue since you can just isolate them and prevent them from joining your game due to how the private servers are run. If you know anything about Bioshock 1 and 2 im sure I dont have to tell you that visual design is stunning and is not even that far off from TF2. The characters you can play as all have the same hp, and the only difference is their voice lines, but they are also very charismatic each with distinct personalities and backstories. if you liked the engineer I recommend playing as the welder, Jacob Norris. I played a couple rounds after I got bored of TF2 and it was honestly refreshing, I can only recommend it.

[@Foolisch]

agree

[@RiverCiver]

its actually surreal to see a good point among the brain rot. even though you disagree i should have brought up some alternatives after saying "play a different game" because there really aren't any. thanks for taking the time. tf2 reddit and twitter are a vocal minority too i agree, but do represent a lot of the community.

[@tdc455]

Honestly, I wish I could just play a different game, but none of the available PvP shooters really scratch the same itch as TF2. I don't even play TF2 anymore; I genuinely just want another, more casual 12v12 shooter or something like that. There's clearly a gap in the market that hasn't been filled yet. Once it has, hopefully they will move on.

[@metalmaple-fluffyhoney54]

Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare (the first one, haven't played the second one yet)

[@DogStudi0]

It's old too and the first one usually has long que times the second one doesn't though the bots have disappeared I am a long time player

[@Meridian453]

@@metalmaple-fluffyhoney54GW2 is a better version in 99% of ways (excluding the fact its servers are also way more active)

[@metalmaple-fluffyhoney54]

@@DogStudi0 oh dang, I didn't know Well peck :/

[@tuefort957]

TF2 Classic and Open Fortress are a good replacement for TF2, M8

[@MoronicRoc]

Bait used to be believable.

[@the866-sushi]

_insert hornet smoking image_

[@nigerianstatue3411]

@@the866-sushi Discord groom victim physique

[@RiverCiver]

found one

[@bloxycola_enjoyer8756]

He talked about lethal company and moisty the same way he did here too so no wonder lmao

[@redbloodphill]

Let's get one thing absolutely clear, if your starting argument is "They have annoying voices" while also having the voice of an angry teenager fresh off of xbox live, you aren't making a compelling argument.

[@PainterVR_]

lmao

[@SirCapyTheSecond]

its the only comment he didnt reply to perhaps it was too hard for him

[@TikiChannelGaming]

@@SirCapyTheSecond which is funny because the annoying voice thing actually ties in with his later points of low quality slop content, if you actually watched the video you'd understand that

[@SirCapyTheSecond]

@@TikiChannelGaming have to brains to not watch a bait video

[@TikiChannelGaming]

@@SirCapyTheSecond does he know?

[@r63031008]

What’s wrong with people just wanting their game to be playable

[@madmonty4761]

The don't get the fucking hint that valve doesn't care

[@r63031008]

@@madmonty4761 that’s the whole point of trying one last time to make them care

[@Rat_S]

@@madmonty4761 goofy aah, we already know that.

[@boi853]

With that you showed why his video completely useless and it's just a rage bait vid

[@Foolisch]

@@boi853 actually true, time to dox

[@ShatteresTrolles]

this video is that one image of a dog getting pet with a caption: ,, oooh who’s an edgy boy yes you are oooh what a hot take your statements are so controversial what an edgy boy "

[@RiverCiver]

dog

[@Piflle]

@@RiverCiverI love how u call people bored while u spend time replying to comments on your video

[@Dr.greencreator228]

​@@Pifllefr

[@Dr.greencreator228]

​@@RiverCivermaybe touch some grass, not shit in your basement and answer every comment little gremlin?

[@User2-g2z]

​​@@Pifllefr , also what do you expect from someone that claims that moist critical is ruining youtube

[@south_cool]

one month later and people still tweet out the hashtag what a joke lmao

[@RoofusRoof19]

You say them fixing the anticheat is hard then why are there no bots in community servers? Valve doesnt even have to code shit they just need to port stuff the community has done into the game, simple

[@Boggletrop]

yea like if getting the bots out is hard then why are there no bots in other games

[@RoofusRoof19]

@@Boggletrop because valve doesn't like "treadmill work" which basically just translates to "we make stuff but maintaining them isn't as fun so we won't maintain them"

[@Boggletrop]

@jonathanbradshaw7573 yea it has the bots because it has the same anti cheat, ig a better way to say it is to fix vac

[@p2l]

Because no one would host on community servers that quite literally have slightly better anticheat than VAC, even if you would use lmaobox's SMAC bypass they would be manually banned in less than 3 hours atleast

[@joketrain]

Is this how illiterate TF2 fans have gotten about their own game? Community server anti-cheat plugins can only counter cheating, they are mostly powerless against bots that don't cheat but still do everything they can to disrupt the game, which are plentiful, and a successful attempt to remove all cheating bots would only result in the vast majority of them turning into non-cheating bots that aren't necessarily any less disruptive. Another issue is that such anti-cheats fundamentally operate differently from VAC, which doesn't make any attempts to discern the effects of cheating, but merely the means by which they are enacted upon the game (memory injection, that is), whereas what community servers have just analyze what you're doing and then just bans you if it thinks you did something that exceeds an arbitrary threshold for what is considered cheating, which leaves the gate wide open for false positives. Another thing is that bots in many cases aren't actually automatically removed from servers but instead end up being banned manually by a moderator, which is another thing that Casual doesn't have. Of course you could introduce moderators, but that would have far wider consequences than affecting bots and cheaters and would take away the main thing separating Casual from community servers, which is the lack of moderation. Casual is complete garbage anyway so the real question is why don't people just play on Community servers? If the answer to that is that all of them are bad... then I suggest perhaps making that the focus of your next movement.

[@WaitNoIdidntMean]

Crazy how sourdale's video about how tf2 sfms and the tf2 community as a whole has decayed terribly have all the comments agreeing with him and praising him, while this video, which more or less gives the same message, gets all shitted on. I guess thats just how the internet works.

[@Dani1-412]

attention seeking and rage bait going crazy we aint making it out 40k subs

[@RiverCiver]

who are you

[@Dr.greencreator228]

​@@RiverCiverand who are you, little gremlin?

[@joketrain]

@@Dr.greencreator228 RiverCiver, it literally says it right there

[@Dr.greencreator228]

@@joketrain ofc i know his nickname, Mr. Obvious, my comment has other meaning, try figuiring it out

[@keecko8169]

@@RiverCiver that mans your elder by 1 year. Lil fella

[@Boggletrop]

"extremely bored" sorry ill just play the new update ig

[@nigerianstatue3411]

I wish my literal limited time event maps weren't overrun by bots...

[@RiverCiver]

not the point

[@energeticyellow1637]

What new update lol

[@yes_and_so_what]

@@RiverCiver > "Gaming's most bored community" > "Boredom is not the major focus" soo.... which one?

[@brandongrande9200]

That's the point, like where to? River doesn't know that to begin with

[@lepulga3712]

how to talk about superiority complex while having a superiority complex tutorial

[@Meridian453]

Bro is hypocritical, straight wrong, or, twists facts throughout this entire video this man is not trustworthy 🙏

[@RiverCiver]

communist doggo

[@lepulga3712]

@@RiverCiver "starving wisdom doggo"

[@Dr.greencreator228]

​@@RiverCiverreal life example

[@brandongrande9200]

Word salad krunt

[@moonwarrior3342]

So this is what a #KillTF2 vid looks like 💀

[@gansterchompernoscopeblazit]

Yes mostly all of them are like this

[@char.ger-3321]

Ikr lmao since #fixtf2 came out all these random ass tf2 ytbers came out criticizing the comm lol they’re not doing anything to save the game they’re technically useless af

[@gansterchompernoscopeblazit]

@@char.ger-3321 technically this guys a geometry dash ytuber

[@char.ger-3321]

@@gansterchompernoscopeblazit no wonder he made that rage bait lol

[@zerotwo6903]

he never said he wants it to die though

[@stormcat3989]

Taking into account that this guy feels the need to answer almost every comment, this can't even be called rage bait, it's just trash

[@thesmileman6931]

Seems like he can't take people disagreeing with his opinion

[@Th3_sent1nel]

He actually does answer almost every comment

[@maximkikena622]

How is it rage bait hes literally 100% right

[@peopleperson]

BRO THE TF2 ACCENT HAS BEEN AN INSIDE JOKE WITH ME AND MY FRIENDS FOR YEARS FINALLY SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT

[@RiverCiver]

it needs to become mainstream

[@zerotwo6903]

i also noticed it, everytime i use VC the people on the other end sound the exact same lol

[@Aprocrisin]

what is the tf2 accent?

[@thuglifemapper4436]

yeah lets destroy a beloved game that people played over a decade and still better then the new shit keep yapping

[@RiverCiver]

you said yapping

[@thuglifemapper4436]

@@RiverCiver yeah? bc u are just saying nonsense.

[@Syamfprch]

​@@RiverCiver Yapping has been a term used in the English language for many upon many years and only got more popular recently. There is nothing that makes it invalidate an opinion. In fact, Ignoring someone because of a singular word he or she used is in fact something that would invalidate your argument.

[@Boofwax]

@@RiverCiver”Erm, that term ‘yapping’ is really beta and not alpha in the slightest! These tf2 fans are so L rizz!” 🤓👆

[@pepesad1401]

different opinions is fine, but this video is just too agressive

[@rejzator]

True

[@daijoubun6648]

I want to like this video but he’s just being an asshole for most of it. There are real criticisms to be made about TF2 and its community, but this guy just makes fun of people having fun for most of it.

[@boi853]

It's agressive and basically just ragebait and with a side of strawman sindrome bc ditching geometry dash basically killed his nothing channel and he needed some atention.

[@H1CoDoe]

​Jesus Christ, @@boi853! You didn't have to murder him

[@PoollShietz]

Valve is burnout and hate ur dogpoop play something else

[@AgreementOfArms]

is bro regretting making this video about fixtf2 after valve banned 20,000 bots?

[@Daniel-ob2ev]

Thers more

[@RiverCiver]

10:34

[@yueYOUCH]

​@@RiverCiversooo.... Are you gonna try it again

[@mustardman5618]

Common L, this aged like a fine wine

[@TheRealKiRBEY]

Jesus let a man speak his mind, is something i wish i woulda said 4 months ago

[@SketchG]

>be this guy >walk into a hospital >see a doctor treating a patient >"Pfft... Why don't you do something else! LOLZ!" >walk out >feel extremely proud of yourself

[@RiverCiver]

4chan spacing

[@thegiantratthatmakesalloft9415]

>le funny green arrow meme >le XD

[@windowsuser2002sucks]

"why are you wasting your time treating this person? he's gonna die anyways" - RiverCiver

[@Ivory708]

stop using 4chan loser

[@yes_and_so_what]

@@thegiantratthatmakesalloft9415 doesn't matter the format, point still stands

[@Spookiec]

wow the fixtf2 statement aged like milk

[@RiverCiver]

not the point

[@victorjohnson5646]

@@RiverCiver what was the point? also I know you're liking you're own replies

[@NoobySwooby]

@@RiverCiver you’re actually right there, cuz there was no point in this video, that’s how nonsensical it is

[@BenryTheMii]

Why the crap are you gong on the reddit of a game you hate? Oh, nvm, this is bait...

[@RiverCiver]

devalued

[@BenryTheMii]

@@RiverCiver Why did you choose to make a video where you make like 1 valid point then spent the rest of the time mocking people for liking something different than you? That's shameful

[@gansterchompernoscopeblazit]

@@BenryTheMii really nothing but shame and he pretends that there’s different alternatives to this game when he say “ just move on” there really isn’t has he even tried looking for alternative for tf2 I doubt it. I’m pretty sure if you tried you’re not gonna find anything that actually goes on the same level or type as team fortress two

[@Boofwax]

@@RiverCiver”Erm, this guy got under my skin! I will reply with ‘devalued’ because then he’ll think he’s a waste of my time! Yes! I’m a genius!” 🤓👆

[@dtm2741]

jesus christ this guy is just dumping hooks in the water

[@BoB-Is-Epic]

Lol

[@brandongrande9200]

RiverCiver is nuttyer than a candy bar shit

[@catbugtf]

this video just feels really pessimistic and hostile for no good reason

[@RiverCiver]

good

[@SaipritOriginal]

​@@RiverCiverbros spamming good on every comment literally describes this entire video

[@chiblixus]

​@@RiverCiveryou're literally just crying in every comment that calls you out lmfao keep crying kiddo

[@o-dreng8778]

Get back to yo basement​@@RiverCiver

[@gansterchompernoscopeblazit]

@@SaipritOriginal funny thing is he calling everyone else a robot but he’s literally acting more like bot then anything like who has the time to reply on every comment that you see?

[@Boofwax]

I’ve been replying to his replies on comments the past 30 minutes, and all I have to say is everything he says in the video is contrived by what he says in the comments. He’s replying with stuff like “brainrotted” or when someone says he’s being aggressive he says “good.” I also realize almost all his replies are single words.

[@TikiChannelGaming]

shut up

[@CodsaAnimation]

My biggest issue with this whole thing is how the bot hosters went as far as to dox, harras, ddos, fake dmca claim, send links to Cheese Pizza (if ykyk) Like these are VERY illegal stuff and if Valve choses to ignore it, just proves how little care they have. Welp, if TF2 will enter under investigation because of said things, Valve will surely have wished they fixed this issue sooner. Because how in the hell does any live service game company allows its game to be a host for Cheese Pizza content.

[@Sch0L_iM]

TF2 was designed in a very careful and specific way to make the gameplay enjoyable (for example timeless art style with team recognition, iconic 9 classes). There's only 9 classes but that's enough for the player cause each one of them has their individual personality which is crucial element in making bond and immersion for player. While new games like overwatch has 20+ characters which i personally haven't felt that immersion. In Overwatch to change the gameplay like making it something different you need a new character with new abilities while in TF2 you still got 9 classes but you keep adding more weapons to their arsenal which is even better and easier than making whole new character with almost no flavour in their personality. Also the competition in TF2 is basically more wacky and fun than in Overwatch and other newly made shooter games. That is why people still love TF2 and that's also why TF2 is very well made timeless masterpiece.

[@gusapno]

The game is shit man just accept it go play a good game

[@Sch0L_iM]

@@gusapno poor ass bait

[@Sch0L_iM]

@@gusapno go play overwatch 2 then and have a healthy life instead of typing worthless nothing adding comment

[@TomMason1999]

6:29 very aggresive callout to Ls mark for no reason

[@OfficerIDPD]

Is he wrong?

[@arghpee]

he's not wrong lol

[@WandererMaxym]

@@OfficerIDPDhe may not be wrong but at least Ls mark is doing that cuz he seems to enjoy family guy a lot, same thing with how tf2tubers enjoy makin content on their very old game, even if it’s already been talked about by other tf2tubers

[@OfficerIDPD]

@@WandererMaxym I mean just because they enjoy making the content that they do doesn't mean they are above criticism.

[@WandererMaxym]

@@OfficerIDPD well of course, I wasn’t saying they were immune to criticism, that’s why I said that he’s not wrong. I’m just saying that in my opinion I don’t think it’s that bad but people are entitled to their own opinions y’know?

[@fakepretender]

deadlock devs when they face the same "treadmill work" but now its not cs2 or tf2

[@lustigername9377]

Bro woke up and chose to be that guy who just likes to insult everyone for no reason.

[@michaeljonathan9715]

Yeah. That's pretty much the summary of the video. I know that this is freedom of speech that sometimes hurt but isn't the point of it to make outline, asking for improve or fix glaring issues (eg. the bot issues TF2 and CS2 have) and not mean to insults for things that you don't like or disagree which just make unnecessary fights instead.

[@PoollShietz]

Tf2 does that everyday to every other game thats 1500x more popular

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

bro is in ohio skibidi

[@GoldTheAngel]

@@PoollShietz Example? And don't give me an obvious meme or troll because they are everywhere.

[@Carbon3979]

bro really sheesh gang only in ohio

[@poobles6145]

rage bait is insane rn

[@RiverCiver]

nah

[@Dr.greencreator228]

​@@RiverCiveryah

[@brandongrande9200]

It is rage bait and you're a entitled snowflake that moans about the community that's still lives on to this day. Get used to it

[@PainterVR_]

⁠@@RiverCiveryah

[@Boofwax]

@@RiverCiver”Oh no! I don’t have another sigma counter argument to make to this comment! I will reply with ‘nah’ so I can show off my alpha wolf physique and scare away this beta!” 🤓👆🐺🐺

[@manuelkocab9956]

Points in this vid: -people with high voice bad. -peopel that dont play many games are bad. -looking at small Details is bad. -trying to get good anti-cheat is bad.

[@RiverCiver]

pay attention

[@elmerinase5734]

​@@RiverCiverHow about you do that yourself first and then you can begin to tell others what to do. Also the movement worked, cope and seethe.

[@BEAN-STER]

I do agree in some of the stuff you said but I feel that this whole video is a massive over generalization of a large community and saying "everybody is like this" just isn't true and then you go on to make fun of people's voices which just kind of invalidates your arguments. overall this just seems like rage bait (Update valve has taken action so it turns out we weren't shouting into a void after all)

[@pug-n]

if you have to result to making fun of peoples attributes, then im not gonna listen and respect whatever comes out of your mouth next.

[@BEAN-STER]

@@pug-n Exactly

[@TheBrims]

Bro is one bad day from being a bot hoster.

[@Idkwat2namemyself]

lmao

[@char.ger-3321]

@@TheBrims he’s prolly already one lmao this pushy doesn’t see that much success in his life so he needs stuff that’ll make him feel good about himself quickly lol

[@RiverCiver]

bwo that’s quite the claim

[@TheBrims]

@@RiverCiver Its been 3 weeks hop off bud

[@Idkwat2namemyself]

@@RiverCiver bwo it's quite the joke

[@UnethicalEthic]

Albert Einstein once said: “Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute.”

[@Foolisch]

i can confirm this as a person living in his german hometown

[@jadilzoca4971]

first half of the video can be summarized by the old man yells at cloud gag

[@stephaniedibello2150]

Honestly… I just want the bots gone, Idc about updates.

[@joketrain]

Christ's sake just play on Community servers.

[@stephaniedibello2150]

@@joketrain I do play on them, but that is not a permanent fix.

[@rickyyacine4818]

@@stephaniedibello2150 me too I just wanna play assassin creed spy again without bots

[@joketrain]

@@stephaniedibello2150 It's the most permanent you're gonna get without employing a "permanent solution to a temporary problem", so to speak.

[@Freegame4.]

i get the community IF THEY HAVE ITEMS WORTH 6K no one ever said "play something other than counter strike, call of duty, gta" or shit like that, let em be bro

[@justvacuumingaround9309]

I love how you go over the tf2 community having a superiority complex while the entire video you are like “yeah I like tf2 but unlike those drones I am a fatalist 😎”

[@sylva4052]

is it wrong to want a product that is offered as *functional* to be functional?

[@RLKMMX56]

functional on community server

[@sylva4052]

​@@RLKMMX56 so it is completely okay to offer unplayable servers just because the community does offer playable (albeit slight or heavily modded) servers?

[@RLKMMX56]

@@sylva4052 yes because the community alternatives have been better casual is also tehnically modded with a shit matchmaker and stupid game changes

[@whatisupbois]

@@RLKMMX56 it's not good business practice to make money from a product that only functions if you ignore the intended way to play the game (casual mode). who cares if you don't like casual matchmaking, the game still shouldn't be in the state it is now.

[@RLKMMX56]

@@whatisupbois "intended way" is not the intended way the game is designed to be played casual is not how the game should be played, its how VALVe wants you to play it valve had to rush a half baked matchmaker in order to "compete" with overwatch and after seeing the success of CSGO matchmaking they tried fitting the same flawed system to a game royally not designed for it

[@koca6685]

Deadlock looks like complete dogshit. Tf2 is full with bots. CS2 is full with cheaters and no updates. Valve just does whatever they want because steam makes them stupid money.

[@desko2041]

Its probably still early in development, give it the benefit of the doubt but its ok to make your disinterest in it clear

[@СвободныйЧеловек-я6я]

@@desko2041 It already has finished art direction, wdym

[@wilhealey]

all these points are true, and this community just can't accept that

[@toptextbottomtext8627]

"I win because I portrayed your opinion as the soyjack and mine as the Chad" type beat.

[@RiverCiver]

pay attention

[@NoobySwooby]

@@RiverCiverstill no valid point

[@maximkikena622]

How is he wrong ?

[@Gabrielnfs]

Disagree bro sorry

[@lmao6142]

He's making a lot of good points tbh

[@lambdrey]

Yeah, there's nothing like tf2 in the world anywhere else.

[@WAtheAnum]

@@lmao6142 so? *tell me one*

[@megafrik]

Womp womp

[@Foolisch]

@@lmao6142 tell ma one brothja

[@markzone473]

Tf2 is the online game you play when you dont have a beefy computer to play other games everyone else is playing

[@h20gamez]

Lots of my friends have talked so much about these same things over and over for years at this point. We honestly hate the vocal TF2 community which makes the same reddit slop time and time again without any real content. Only maybe one or two good things are made from the community every year if that. Our group still plays and loves TF2, but we have distanced ourselves from that side besides some trolling people do on r/tf2 or whatever. I think if the game can be separated it can be really enjoy just for its richness as a game. I don't think, like many people, another game as great as TF2 will come out and that's okay. This community just needs to stop making complete slop and then it would be way less brain rot as it is right now

[@noko3777]

so you aren't allowed to love games anymore? It speaks volumes that TF2 is able to keep a giant fanbase despite its age, while other life service titles die of. For being such a loyal fanbase and sticking to a fun as fuck game, we would expect Valve to do something for us. Right now, shitting on TF2 seems so funny because its a "dead game", but thats only because we are at our probably lowest point in TF2s lifespan and its so unfair to point to us and make fun of us for wanting change.

[@Shleorkshlonk]

yh this basically summarises all my points after watching the vid

[@joketrain]

Most TF2 "fans" don't like the game or understand anything about it, they just adopt the community as part of their identity because they are literally autistic children (and yes I do mean actual young kids who most likely have a real diagnosis for actual real life autism) This by itself wouldn't be such a problem if this community wasn't also filled with bad actors like the ones described in this video who know that and effectively prey on such kids.

[@sorrydudebros]

Yes, you aren't allowed to like things earnestly anymore

[@Foolisch]

2024, be hated for loving a game close to your heart

[@Shleorkshlonk]

honestly it would have been fine if everyone saw that this vid is flawed in so many ways or just take into account our side in all of this but instead it pisses me off that anyone who is on our side is just called a coper whatsoever

[@RoofusRoof19]

"Just consoom product and get excited for next product" mentality on ur part bro. If a game is good imma play it. Also FixTF2 is valid because Valve is still making a lot of money from tf2, if you weren't aware.

[@caramelcandys]

Its also been 7 years since the last major update (6 if you count the last major update is blue moon) i think we’re more than a little sick of the radio silence at this point Edit: typos

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

are you hyped for the summer update

[@caramelcandys]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 nope. This game is borderline unplayable outside of community servers

[@DaniZeAlmighty]

@@caramelcandys i personally like community servers way more than casual, most of my 1.7k hours came from com servers, casual gets boring after a while tbh, vsh/freak fortress 2 and jailbreak were the most fun i had

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

@@caramelcandys sure sure i already know youre ready to unbox those cases

[@aYtto]

the comment section on this one sure is something. i ain't even gonna take a side, gotta watch this Circus burn.

[@Und3rcov3r]

'At least they get updates' - me before 2.2

[@Boggletrop]

i was sayin that too lol

[@CaneDoesStuff]

yeah you must know alot about slop

[@Zpice]

Oh yh RiverCiver was THE slop man when he was doing GD content

[@RiverCiver]

i edit

[@colon_el]

@@Zpice only person who ever edited his videos

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

@@Zpice i can name 3 slop men who were better than riverciver (at the time of their content, some of them may have stopped doing gdslop)

[@Zpice]

@@colon_el It was good shit back then tho, I won't lie. Its more the standard of GD content was low where the best content creators in 2017-18 edited on Windows Movie Maker and iMovie. I don't think slop was the right term in saying here, but what I meant was I used to eat it up during the end of 2.0 -> start of 2.1

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

I will agree with you on the Us vs Them being annoying. I played the shit out of TF2 and Overwatch equally, back when TF2 was still playable and Overwatch wasn’t Overwatch 2 mind you. I loved the games for different reasons. One let me be an absolute dumbass and the other let me be a super hero soldier. Those were fun! And it was frankly annoying seeing one community I was apart of constantly bash another community I was apart of. Overwatch 1 was amazing, and I hate the fact that people don’t see that. Also, yeah the meme pool has definitely started tasting samey. Some of the memes I don’t even get the joke of. What is the punchline to “Engineer gaming”? I don’t know. However, I stand firm on Fix TF2. If you constantly monetize something, you should be responsible for the upkeep on it. Otherwise stop monetizing it and just shut it down. That’s why I’m in the movement, cause I have nothing to lose if it fails. Either we win and something gets done, or we fail and the game is put out of it’s misery. I’d be weirdly okay with either, but I hate seeing it shamble on like a zombie. If that makes sense.

[@SuperSonicbros4]

The punchline of "Engineer Gaming" is that Engineer is gaming (like he is playing games or something similar to that)

[@Foolisch]

of to play some Pokemon Sword and shiny hunt i guess

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

@@Foolisch What chu huntin’ for?

[@yes_and_so_what]

the whole punchline of [Insert popular character/figure] gaming is that either: A. Its comically unnatural for whatever to be doing such a non-serious act and B. A boast of power and sleek over adversaries in something that isn't even that major in reality

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

@@yes_and_so_what So… it’s either a weird flex or an off attempt at crossover?

[@ashyflame]

Do I smell bullshit here? Because I definitely smell some bullshit.

[@RiverCiver]

marvel

[@BoB-Is-Epic]

​@@RiverCiverself like?

[@Bucket_Zombie]

​@@RiverCiver try not to reply 1 word answers:impossible

[@Boofwax]

@@RiverCiverWhat? I can’t even think of anything this shit is just fucking delusional.

[@Laiten]

What else is the community supposed to do? Not protest? Valve litteraly just abounded the game like it's nothing, of course people are going to be mad

[@supremeschemes5161]

you made me open my third eye, BUT im still gonna play tf2 just to annoy mf's as gun spy >:)

[@ChewedBubbleGun]

Yes, police, this man is the one being based.

[@RiverCiver]

good

[@Shock-N-Awe]

Instead of just saying “Video bad, you suck, cope and seethe” I’m gonna give you an actual critique. Good points - You’re right that a lot of TF2 fans seem to have a superiority complex against other FPS like Overwatch, Valorant, Apex Legends, etc. And while I do believe TF2 does a lot of things better than these games, the people who say “TF2 better than ____” or “TF2 killed ____” are just saying nothing. - 5:30 I get being annoyed that everyone seems to talk about the same weapon 100x over. I’m pretty bored of it too and can see it as lazy content. HOWEVER* - 8:58: It’s true that the bot issue is probably gonna be harder than people are taking it for. Especially with the source spaghetti slop that is TF2’s code. Bad Points - 0:09: “It’s a great game.” 0:25: “Community of degenerates that continues to play this game.” You quite literally contradict yourself within not even the first half minute of the video. Call it nitpicking, but saying the game is good then complaining about how people continue to play it is incredibly idiotic. - 1:18: Why does this matter? So what people only play a handful of classes? It’s not a crime to play the game how you want. - You seem to act like Reddit and Twitter are the entire TF2 community in a nutshell. There are a major chunk within (More than the actual true player count), some people just want to play the game. - 2:30: This is just insulting people for no reason. Why tf does it matter what a person’s voice sounds like? The only thing this really contributes to is just making you look like the degenerate you’re calling the fanbase. It makes even less sense when you show Lazypurple and Shounic as good examples (7:49) despite them having that similar “Pasty High-pitched 20s something white person voice” you dunked on like 10 people 5 minutes ago. - 3:42: You’re being mad at people actually caring about the game. And it’s not about the number of cosmetics. There are indeed clearly enough. The problem is that the ones that are added aren’t of good quality. You literally say at 11:00 that they’re “below mediocre”. It’s like a streaming service publishing new sh#tty shows when they clearly have enough. No need to complain about people wanting quality products. Especially since you pay for these items with real money. - 3:59: You act like this is the singular reason for people liking the Summer Update. People liked the Summer Update because 1. It was in response to the SaveTF2 as it wasn’t just a bare bones tweet from Valve, but also a blog post beforehand telling creators to prepare for it. (Something they didn’t do before). Which leads to 2. The quality of the additions within the update. You even said this yourself: “a decent enough update compared to the garbage they usually shove out” (3:36). Not only that, but also broke the player record. (Which has sadly been proving to be bots, but it boosted player morale at the time) And 3. It looked like a step in the right direction. That Valve was actually going to pay more attention and commit more to TF2. It was baby steps, but given enough time, it seemed the future was looking bright. And yet you said that “nothing happened”. (8:50) - *It’s not inherently a bad thing to have multiple videos on the same weapon. People have different opinions and that’s why people make videos on it. If there was only one video on that weapon, then there’s less room to really discuss varying thoughts on it. But it does get annoying when people just talk about it with not much else going for it. - 6:50: Again, WHO THE F#CK cares about what’s on reddit. It’s FREAKING REDDIT for God’s sake. - 8:09: These are just clipdumps on the game. Literally every game that has ever been on youtube has these. This has been going on since youtube’s creation. It’s people having fun and making cringe funny jokes with their friends. You even participated in shenanigans like this as shown from your screenshots at the start of the video. (Bumper-cart racing, bald engineers, stacking soldiers) - 9:27: It’s not about shouting at the little development team TF2 has. It’s about confronting Valve, the publisher and owner of the game. Who despite being a billion dollar company that has become a king and staple of the gaming industry, refuses to solve any of the problems that has been plaqueing TF2 for nearly 8 f#cking years. - 9:35: What sets FixTF2 from SaveTF2 is the approach. Back in 2022, the community didn’t want to seem like a bunch of angry soyboys that were dunking on a beloved game company. I mean it could be seen as a miracle that Valve even updated a game so old. So SaveTF2 was more of a demonstration on why TF2 should be saved. How deeply loved and cherished the game was and why Valve should take time to fix it. And all we really got was a pat on the back, a promise, and a decent summer update. But after nearly an entire year with the bot crisis getting worse and seemingly nothing changing, the community decided they needed a more “direct” approach. Valve continued to profit off of TF2 despite barely fixing any of the problems. And with the problems facing some of Valve’s newer games, such as CS2, the company is starting to get flak from people outside the TF2 community. Which is why we began boycotting cosmetics and reviewbombing the game. And we have seen success with the recent Helldivers 2 fiasco so there is proof that this can work. The plan for FixTF2 is to not back down until Valve truly does something. - 10:16: Deadlock hasn’t even been announced yet. Who knows if it’ll even be greenlit, especially with the leak. - 11:15: What exactly do you mean “both sides”? This ain’t even a criticism, I’m just confused on what the sides there are. Overall, this video does make some good points that should be listened to too. This community has its flaws, some you’ve shown.But you repeatedly undermine and contradict yourself throughout the video.

[@gruzi.]

words words words

[@pelhami]

not reading allat

[@pelhami]

read allat so here's your bad points 1) not a coherent argument 2) okay 3) not a coherent argument, video title is clearly on "the community" 4) he is clearly displaying aristole's method of debate, plebian (also it's funny) 5) not a coherent argument 6) not a coherent argument (the summer update was *worked on before savetf2) 7) not even an argument against the video 8) not a coherent argument, video title is clearly on "the community" 9) not a coherent argument, video title is clearly on "the community" 10) not a coherent argument 11) okay 12) it's a controlled leak to gauge audience interest, the bad backlash will probably mean it is cancelled so okay 13) idk either but I'd guess he meant see on the side of other games overall, totally incoherent. too many appeals to emotions and a fundamental misunderstanding of the video. you saw it from both sides and had a couple bad points that were actually valid, so 4/10

[@Shock-N-Awe]

@@pelhami 1) Fair 2) okay 3) He acts like the entire community is simply reddit and twitter 4) I don't see which part that supposedly is supposed to represent aristole's method of debate, I doubt he based a rant off it, and "funny" as it is, mindlessly dunking on people for such a stupid reason is no way to get any point across. (And for someone calling others plebian and using ancient methodology, you seem to barely give any other points besides "not a coherent argument") 5) I think people caring about if they're getting good products they need to pay for is a very valid argument 6) Fair on the development thing, however it was still around the time which is why people were hyped. Also my points on the quality(which I cited him saying was decent) and that seeming to be a step in the right direction I say are valid. 7) It's less to be an argument against him but rather an commentary on what he said about there being multiple videos on the same thing. I'm saying that by itself is fine, it's that most of these videos say the same thing with little changes, which is why I understand where's he's coming from. 8) He acts like the entire community is simply reddit and twitter 9) You keep saying it's on "the community". yet the point he makes here can apply to basically any community. If you search up gameplay for games like Minecraft, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch, CSGO, and the sort, you'll find similar clips. While you can make the argument that the video is on the community and only that, it makes the point he tries to make feel incoherent. And even them, his examples are weak. It's not like any of them are slaying slurs or being creepy in those clips. (Which would have supported his argument better if he had shown those parts) 10) I think wanting a billion dollar company to do something about a broken product they continue to profit off of is pretty reasonable. 11) okay 12) It also may be hella despised due to how well-known and loved TF2 is and seeing Valve just focus on a different shooter will probably ignite a huge uproar, possibly causing the game to fail. (Not in defense, this isn't a good outcome for anyone. But it does seem like a likely possibility) 13) Yeah, but he doesn't really makes sense. He doesn't seem to talk from the perspective of other shooter fans overall, you keep saying "not a coherent argument" but you never explain how, make your argument noncoherent in the process. There are point he makes that are entirely valid, but he overshadows them by continuously contradicting himself to fit what he's saying, and just wanton insulting people for arbitrary reason. No one's gonna listen to you if you don't keep a stable pov and insult them the whole time. But you did make a few good counterpoints, so 4/10 for you as well.

[@pelhami]

@@Shock-N-Awe We're not having a debate, I'm dismissing your bad points and fallacies by calling them incoherent. I don't care to reply to any of your points because you're gay, and I hope you can learn to argue better with concise points. Point 12, for example, in this reply is utterly schizoprenic and is not grounded in reality at all. Bad form.

[@FleshBrain]

Bro really watched this video after editing, probably more than twice and really said: "Yeah, this is a good upload"

[@Meridian453]

Bro talks about slop he does not know what he’s posting

[@boi853]

@@Meridian453 his channel died after ditching geometry dash, of course he's getting desperate for any attention

[@RiverCiver]

bwo

[@FleshBrain]

@@RiverCiver terminally online type of writing😹😹😹

[@PainterVR_]

@@RiverCiver7 days and no likes is actually wild

[@pug-n]

this has got to be either a poorly informed critique or rage bait. but i get seeing the other side and understanding valves position. still, despite the fact that i think itll fail, im still gonna support this game till it dies.

[@SarmaTheFood]

its a pathetic attempt at rage bait.

[@brandongrande9200]

agreed. River's such a manchild himself, an obivous snowflake

[@truefupu]

Yeah I feel the pain. Man I wish I was this bored to make a video about it but the video covers all the points I had in mind. I'm personally not they bothered about the tf2 accent, I don't think it's a bad thing, in fact I never know it was a thing.

[@mr.elhermano7367]

Its crazy that the last newest piece of TF2 fan content that was actually new and ground breaking. Was emesis blue, as in my opinion i feel like tf2 animations can do more and make new comcepts and ideas. In comparison to the actual game at the moment.

[@RiverCiver]

giving the game and its updates to fans is also easier said than done but seems like the best option right now

[@energeticyellow1637]

​​@@RiverCiverwith the mind of community the tf2 fandom is, I don't think they're fit for running the game. Just look at the cosmetics they vote for in the workshop because they're le wacky

[@Nick_the_Nikolai]

I was fully convinced that this video is bullshift until 10:31 I'll admit it, this video revealed the harsh truth I don't want to accept. Thank goodness the bots are gone tho (at least for now).

[@TemporaleTossico]

You are actually spitting facts, but most of your points are fueled by how SHIT the community has become. I personally only care about playing some time and get on with my day, but sadly most of the rest of the community is a cesspool and it gives a bad outlook to the whole game

[@DrJay-vd9tf]

> makes shitty bait > gets called out > gets upset and calls them a bot > thinks he won something

[@RiverCiver]

4chan spacing

[@DrJay-vd9tf]

@@RiverCiver Thought I should speak in your language.

[@phanton4305]

​@@DrJay-vd9tfholy shit dude

[@Dr.JohnG.Grungus]

@@DrJay-vd9tf This goes crazy ngl

[@Boofwax]

@@RiverCiverthat’s the third time you mentioned 4chan spacing. Why don’t you use your 2 brain cells to figure out a coherent argument.

[@bobanimationz4062]

honestly i just treat the bot flooded servers like mann vs. machine, i just set up a sentry nest and see how long I can last

[@OnionJumoke]

different opinions are completely ok but this video is pretty agressive man

[@PoProstuBoniacz]

HOW PEOPLE DARE TO PLAY OLD GAME INSTEAD OF NEW SLOP?!?!?!?!

[@RiverCiver]

bad strawman proving my point, moving on

[@rudolph2937]

Half of this video is just making fun of people's voices. Nice argument bro

[@RiverCiver]

half

[@G-Man____]

Oh sorry other half is saying that trying to fix tf2 is cope

[@Boofwax]

@@RiverCiver”Half.” Yeah, like half of this script is probably chatgpt’d because you’re some 18 year old high school drop out who failed 7th grade writing.

[@Meridian453]

This guy genuinely has nothing to go on about and just either A. was tired and bored asf so made this slop fest of a video or B. Is so desperate for attention he needs to make this “Oh yeah guys talking about how this game that’s actively monetized is barely playable will actually make the problem worse” like bro you do NOT care about this game anymore you just want people to stop enjoying it cause you no longer find it fun cause it makes us look like “man children” for wanting the game that people actively spend money on and gets constant monetization updates to…*checks notes* function. That makes us man children guys we better pack it up

[@WandererMaxym]

Facts

[@RiverCiver]

project

[@Meridian453]

@@RiverCiver 3 weeks late bud GL milking tho

[@RiverCiver]

@@Meridian453 this is fun though

[@Meridian453]

@@RiverCiver copy paste response try again 🥱

[@conkreetgamer]

ngl u got the tf2 voice u claim exists

[@keith9005]

That's hilarious, I gotta be honest.

[@RiverCiver]

said that

[@conkreetgamer]

@@RiverCiver still, y- [burp] sorry... as i was sayi- [burp] pardon me [burp] fuck shit [belch] [burp] [burp] ohhhh im so bloated [buuuuuuuuurp]

[@DomainHeretic]

valve meatriders will keep playing team mid 2 no matter what

[@d0ct0rz3d4]

The real valve meat riders are the ones defending deadlock and think they're still as innovative as they were 20 years ago.

[@gansterchompernoscopeblazit]

I wouldn’t say tf2 is a mid per se but more of an old grandpa who still fun to be around

[@Nativefall]

TF2 most uncontroversal video of 2024

[@brickmickbrick]

You know i find it rather artful that after almost 5 years of no updates that the tf2 comunity has been able to keep themselves entertaned always finding new ways to play the game always reinventing themselves without having any new content name one community that would last as long as tf2 has, i think this truly shows how tf2 is a masterpiece

[@recorder2002]

Who said I'm board? I want to be able play this game

[@warrior8034]

You board

[@Foolisch]

@@warrior8034 cardboard

[@recorder2002]

@@warrior8034 that's what you feel not me

[@DaniZeAlmighty]

longboard skateboard

[@tempotempotempo]

homie woke up and decided to make some enemies

[@RoofusRoof19]

The tf2 reddit vocal spheres definitely don't do the game justice.

[@Mewiing]

Man even though some points in this video didn’t stand out for me the gambling addict man child are spot on LITERALLY there’s so many tf2 KZbinrs promoting gambling to their young audience and over all not being so observing to who their promoting the site and no one seems to talk about .

[@joojidoes]

"Leave my multi billion dollar company alone!!!" ahh video.

[@RiverCiver]

cockroach

[@Guibr42]

@@RiverCiver Ihhshshs guyxx me with my nerdy ass voice that got buuulied on my school talk mad about tim fortles 2 youtuberdxxxxxx voissessssssssss

[@PainterVR_]

@@RiverCivertry not to respond with 1 word challenge (impossible)

[@Boofwax]

@@RiverCiver “Erm, what the sigma? I won’t give him the time of my day to this simple beta. I will refer to him as a ‘cockroach’ to show how inferior he is to me!” 🤓👆

[@yellowsocker]

"the tf2 fans fucked up on copium" LOL, it gives me this really funny image of them as fentanyl zombies or something.

[@KashtiraFenrir]

You made one good point with the superiority complex then you proceed to act miserable and aggressive for the rest of the video.

[@vidmaurer8443]

Homie legit out here using a bot to reply "bwo" "i said that" and "yes" on all comments

[@Shleorkshlonk]

ya basically what i have to say

[@RiverCiver]

you said homie

[@Shleorkshlonk]

@@RiverCiver so what? also were just gonna ignore the fact that you keep noticing and commenting on everyone except the ones who actually took their time to write a constructed response?

[@PainterVR_]

@@RiverCiversounds like a you problem ngl

[@Boofwax]

@@RiverCiver”Haha you said homie! Thats such gen alpha slang! Haha!” 🤓👆

[@fatyoshi1456]

You know this is a good one when it has pepe the frog in its thumbnail and one of its main points is making fun of people's voices

[@colon_el]

how is that the main point

[@ironman1458]

Lmfao you were so right about this its funny to see them all coping in the comments. It was all a marketing campaign for the tf2tubers and these brainlet drones ate it right up.

[@GabrielDelvillar10]

Do you even play this game

[@PeeGoblin-jg6tu]

Cope = I win

[@ironman1458]

@@GabrielDelvillar10 Not anymore I uninstalled when this dumb ass movement started and it became literally impossible to find a match without bots spamming about save tf2. All you morons did was make the game worse and more infested with bots. Oh and drive some engagement to those desparate youtube channels I guess

[@lebollsong]

Well now, what results did this "marketing campaign" yield now?

[@blehmeh9889]

I don't think it's entitlement to want Valve to perform maintenance and upkeep on a videogame that they currently harvest a healthy profit from. A product shouldn't be profitable if it ceases its intended function due to a lack of maintenance. Valve still develops new hat crates and other things every several months that draw a profit in from the game, so its their responsibility to make sure these products and the environment they work in is functional and isn't being tampered with by bot hosters. I'm saying this as someone who plays TF2 seldomly at this point and is knee deep in a plethora of other indie games, multiplayer games, a few larger releases, and everything in between (my current focal point is a mix of Helldivers 2, modded minecraft, Deep Rock Galactic, and 9 Bit Armies). 10:18 Team Fortress 2's ongoing domination by bot hosters is a security implication for Valve's other products. They've introduced a very easy target for bot hosters and hackers to tamper with the product and render it essentially non-functional, and hackers and bot hosters who are eager for their next big fish might start looking to Valve's newer products and properties. CS 2 is already swarming with cheaters (though not necessarily fully automated bots), for instance. It would be unwise for them to release a new product that would be susceptible to the same kinds of problems as their old product and to do nothing to remedy the problems with their old product. Also at 2:45 you're basically just making fun of nerds for being nerds and sounding like nerds. That isn't a strong point. Nerds are nerds. People don't point at nerds and feel an immediate sense of shame and insecurity quite like you do. Seek help. (all that said, you were sort of right at 4:00 about the seal update. I think people misunderstood the first "saveTF2" movement as a request for more content instead of focusing on the bot outbreak, which is the crux of the problem. The seal wasn't going to stop the bots.)

[@serenity4640]

kendrick lamar ahh hating please bro 😭

[@honkers112]

You do know that most of any game's player base also plays other games right?

[@Foolisch]

600+ hours in tf2 and 5000+ in Pokemon gamez, so yeah your point checks out

[@SarmaTheFood]

And here comes the ragebaiter, trying to get a sub or two from basement goblins.

[@kvvoya]

maybe start with being not so overly agreessive and negative if you want your opinion to be treated seriously

[@RiverCiver]

nah

[@Dr.greencreator228]

​@@RiverCiversounds like an invalid argument. Wait, it is!

[@ScumSookar]

"Too aggressive" Shut up. If you can't handle harshness, get off the Internet. So damn sick of you snowflakes.

[@trigger796]

@@RiverCiver ok so you cry about people not taking you seriously, then you don’t take actual critique seriously. What’s your strategy here lol

[@Boofwax]

@@RiverCiver”Erm, I don’t like this betas bickering. I will reply with ‘nah’ to show true alpha male dominance.” 🤓👆🐺🐺🐺

[@gregatim]

people got angry at this video but man is actually telling the truth tf2 fans are so unsufferable people, they think they have the superiority complex and stuff, and dont get me started in how they think they're better than overwatch 2 or whatever

[@FunnyBUHcat]

This kind of video has never been made before and it shows, people are shocked and are losing their shit over truth. You've hit the spot especially with the tf2 accent and those unfunny/unoriginal/repetitive reddit posts. I also love how all the tf2 bandkids keep defending their game and tell everyone who criticize it to stop doomposting while also saying Deadlock will be dead on arrival lol.

[@conkerisdumb]

OMG THANK YOU

[@IItsAyoshi]

Tf is deadlock...not even released and it's already dead to me.

[@bionicseaserpent]

bait so shitty its beginning to sound like FixTF2 doomers

[@genericinterneter]

RiverCiver, what’s wrong with hope?