ROASTING Comments On My TF2 Video

[@GREGFRAGS]

just call whoevers beefing with you a ragebaiter and you win immediately

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

the children have learned the term bait, yet they fall for bait every time

[@wgokys]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 literally lmfao

[@Dr.greencreator228]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 its not rage bait, its shit talking. If he would rage bait, he wouldnt make an video, that says "so guys the last videos was rage ait and im going to roast some kids" when he didnt said an SINGLE fucking Word saying that it was an rage bait in that video. Its like saying "it was an prank bro" when you do some awfull things

[@ToasterGuy04]

Nobody is beefing with this guy lmao

[@atomistic3101]

@@Dr.greencreator228 somebody needs his nap time.

[@NameHerePeebs]

6:28 "I find making fun of these people funny. And if that's making people ignore my points because I hurt their feelings then that's fine. The thing that really gets me is that even if I was as fake and nice as possible, during the video, presenting my points in the most easy to digest way for these robot TF2 fans, I still don't think many of them would care to hear it. They'll just see me saying 'fix tf2 bad' and 'tf2 community bad' and hate it no matter how good my points are.... it touches on the idea that if I weren't so aggressive and mean, people might actually listen to the things I'm saying." This is likely the primary reason what your last video lacked civil comments, not because of how crass you were, but how, even admitted by yourself, of how much you like attacking people's character. For comparison, look at ZestyJesus. Sure there are people willing to avoid his criticism against things that are happening in TF2 but he's more likely to receive constructive and civil criticism because he does not make character attacks the focus of his videos. There's a difference between "I think this cosmetic for TF2 is dogshit and does not suit the game's identity because it does not reach a certain criteria" versus "Your voice sounds liked this, you used a bunch of buzz words". I'm not asking you to be nice and I'm not asking you to somehow change your position entirely over this, but if you truly wanted constructive criticism and/or people to be more civil, you could at least do the same to other people rather then being shocked that people are only treating you the same way that you treat others.

[@Dr.greencreator228]

Yes! The tf he thinked if he would act like an asshole will make his points valid?

[@elfascisto6549]

​@@Dr.greencreator228 he just wanted views

[@Dr.greencreator228]

@@elfascisto6549 yeah, i saw recently his content and... man he really should have stuck to geometry dash

[@Shleorkshlonk]

@@Dr.greencreator228 app he got cancelled to that

[@wiwu5648]

brain dead comment

[@Sentrah1]

yep, this is a video on the internet.

[@MrRosco]

A very valid one in fact

[@yes_and_so_what]

indeed this is one collection of images and audio hosted on the world wide web

[@richard.n9000]

Yeah just look through this guys videos and it's nothing but ragebait, dont fall for it.

[@Carbon3979]

@@richard.n9000 its really not

[@richard.n9000]

​@@Carbon3979look at all of his other videos. It's just "curent popular game is bad" and gives arguments worthy of the label "controlled opposition".

[@poisonlight749]

You can tell the comments are in the wrong because he put the funny voice over them. Edit: Ah yes discorse, Just like I planned >:)

[@Dr.greencreator228]

Uhh no lmao? Everyone could do that no matter what. If i voice the right argument with goofy voice, does it make the argument invalid? No, i can respect any of his opinion, but most of them are so idiotix that its hard to not comment and write thousand of arguments with proofs why that argument are idiotic wrong. It is what it is

[@Dr.greencreator228]

Atleast i hope you were just joking and didnt write it with serious face

[@guyonabus]

bait guh hgu ogo gogogo gag gagah hgalkh ba lati at igglk;ad beli beli lbeeleibvevewable

[@KannaDHD]

i love invalidating the entire video because of one thing i dislike

[@Whenwhereeverywhere]

@@KannaDHDhe makes good points but they are overshadowed by his condescending tone throughout the entirety of his video and his incessant bullying of others. It’s hard for people to hear you out when your putting them down throughout the entire runtime of your conversation with them

[@MichaMundy]

Rules of engagement: Never belittle and make fun of someone you are trying to argue in the first place. It's just the way it is. It's hard to convince or talk to someone if their mood sour before they even listen to your argument no matter if it's the most correct factual argument if the target are mad then they are mad and gonna ignore it. But well, like you said, if you feel this is fun for you, then good for you. This is your video, after all, but i guess you already knew that this kind of reaction would happen when you make that video.

[@RiverCiver]

yes, i did

[@cyanomicro]

​@@RiverCiverI need more truthspeaking vids

[@agentmanface6255]

Gotta love you deleting all comments that go against you to make it look like everyone is agreeing with you

[@RiverCiver]

i dont delete comments

[@richard.n9000]

​@@RiverCiver not true

[@RiverCiver]

@@richard.n9000 it actually just is. youtube automatically filters comments seen as "spam" and even without that a lot of drones here are disagreeing with me

[@TF2ConscientiousObjector]

@@RiverCivernice coverup

[@RiverCiver]

@@TF2ConscientiousObjector its true, you're so brainwashed. you'd believe your parasocial wholesome tf2 creators if they said this. look it up, it happens. why would i delete comments like yours that only serve to prove my point harder?

[@Blizzard199X]

Here’s an actual criticism: lower the volume of the clips that play at the same time as your commentary.

[@duck653]

>bros really >bros really chungusing right now > wholesome chungus

[@User2-g2z]

Talking about ppl being brain dead is a very good way to win an argument You are such a divine, intelligent, intellectual

[@RiverCiver]

you commented like 10 times are you ok

[@User2-g2z]

@@RiverCiver dawg u replay to every other comment on a 2 week old video

[@gansterchompernoscopeblazit]

@@User2-g2z”reply” but you’re right

[@RiverCiver]

@@User2-g2z its my video i'm just making fun of these brobots and baiting them. why are you still here?

[@User2-g2z]

@@RiverCiver it's my free time, just responding to ur nothing burger of an argument

[@arthropleura1075]

why is this guy saying "i never told you to stop playing the game you enjoy" when he goes on to say "tf2 players are so bored! go play a different game" sure you could be saying this is refering only to those who upload the same fucking videos, argue on the same topics and get into the fixtf2 protest, BUT ISNT THAT ALL THE FANBASE CAN DO AT THIS POINT? its really just a side effect of playing a game you like, the side effect being you have to engage with the community at some point considering you play the game regularly, even if you try to avoid it. you were right abt tf2 players and their bandkid humour ill give you that.

[@thesaturnismelting]

pretty sure this guy is trying his best to bait people, i might be wrong tho.

[@KannaDHD]

Go play a different game because the game is absolutely bone-sucked out of original content. Everything that can be made out of TF2 has already been done countless times before and they have no difference from eachother other than the person's voice You can still play the game, but if it has come to a point where you are helpless and need to do leach on other unoriginal content creators to have some kind of relevance then it's better to play a different game and be a different content creator before the community starts sending you death threats for leaving the game

[@kyperactive]

My guess is he meant "Enjoy it if you'd like, but if you clearly are forcing yourself to enjoy it, then play other things." At least... thats how I see it.

[@Jackspladt]

1:34 because obviously the best way to refute this “obnoxious” and “strawmanning” comment is to read it in a silly and degrading voice while also refusing to accept his opinions

[@wiwu5648]

whatshow wrote with a brainrot formatting and opinion, why wouldn’t he make fun of that comment if its a joke on itself?

[@Jackspladt]

⁠@@wiwu5648you do have a point, but Thewhat did have a point about yeah, if you go to watch a tf2 video there will be tf2 in it. again what your saying does make sense but if this guy really wants to debunk what Thewhat said then just putting a silly voice over it and saying something like “that’s enough said let’s move on” (or whatever he said I can’t be bothered to check) isn’t the way to do it

[@CidCDdrafts]

You know he's not the only youtuber doing the silly voice, right? I have never found a single youtuber who voices opposing comments in their normal voice. Must be a human brain thing. Maybe it's a way for the ego to double itself?

[@BRNG2042]

@@CidCDdrafts that's always been a thing I hated about response videos. It seems disingenuous every single time.

[@RiverCiver]

fight fire with fire

[@User2-g2z]

​ narrating arguments with a goofy voice shows how much u lack a meaningfull comeback to said argument , thus makes u do the voice in an attemp to make ppl think the argument is wrong Also i like how riverciver talked about how the tf2 community has a superiority complex yet replays to comments (which shows they got under his skin) by talking in a goofy way to make what they said as it is nothing compared to his divine , intelligent , prestigious """""""comebacks/replays""""""" And dont get me started on how he gets to decide what makes him win an argument , River civer is the kind of kid to say timeout right before being tagged. "You said bro , you lose" "You said ratio , you lose"not exaptly what he said but still very similar Its fine to have your opinion , however you dont need to be an asshole then get mad that ppl roast your ass in the comments The mic is in ur hands , and imma play by ur rules , if you replay with some half ass comment you automatically lose :) Waiting for your replay.

[@Qrixll]

‘Not readin’ alat.

[@KannaDHD]

there are too many appeal to assumptions here, and your "tough guy" roleplay makes it even funnier. How about i deal with you instead? >"narrating arguments with a goofy voice shows how much u lack a meaningfull comeback to said argument" If that offended you, welp, i can give a bucket to fill with tears. His friends read the comments and he said he never gave them any directions, so they happened on their own lol. > "Also i like how riverciver talked about how the tf2 community has a superiority complex yet replays to comments (which shows they got under his skin) by talking in a goofy way to make what they said as it is nothing compared to his divine , intelligent , prestigious "comebacks/replays" " You've repeated yourself, looking like you don't put any thought into commenting? > "River civer is the kind of kid to say timeout right before being tagged. "You said bro , you lose" "You said ratio , you lose" not exactly what he said but still very similar" Overgeneralization and appeal to emotion, you're not making any argument but attacking the person here. > "however you dont need to be an asshole then get mad that ppl roast your ass in the comments" What roasts? Repeating the what popular idol banana hat drug addict TF2tuber said? Or just complaining that harsh words hurt their feelings so they invalidated the entire video? Learn to take a punch like a man, because Valve won't let you suck their ding-dong anymore.

[@corbinallen4562]

​@@KannaDHDpeople have made well made arguments and most of them have been ignored or just responded with a nothing burger comment. He's not able to defend his points and that's been made clear by his response.

[@KannaDHD]

@@corbinallen4562 people have made well made arguments? Define "People" in this context because as of now im only seeing 6 people worth going over that aren't full of strawmans

[@corbinallen4562]

@@KannaDHD alot of people go over how alot of his points are hypocritical or simply are a not a issue. The idea that our community is bored due to lack of updates and that we repeat making the same content seems kinda silly because we aren't the only community to do this. Melee is a good example of this. Another point brought up is the fact that it's hypocritical to say tf2 players generalize people who play other games or make fun of people who play other games when your doing exactly that your making fun of and generalizing tf2 players. His vid probably wouldn't be called rage bait if it seemed like he was trying to have a serious discussion and not just trashing the community.

[@ShatteresTrolles]

this video made me receive your point more than the previous one I take back my previous copy and paste comments from previous vid I know I sound like broken record n' stuff but like your point gets so much better to the viewer when you just show the problem instead of making fun of some white guy sounding like a white guy good video

[@noko3777]

I always found it stupid when videos like this mostly have slob comments. Like, you made a video that sparks discussion but then mostly show idiotic comments. In this video you covered 68 comments, 43 of which were mindless slob. There were 23 comments (and 2 from youtubers) that had, in my opinion, some kind of point and you said that only 4* had a valid point, if there were truly more, why not show those? And now to add my 2 cents again, i find it very stupid that people poke holes into the TF2 community and try to make a show out of it, when its basically in its dark age. We are in our 7th year of no update and neglect from valve, of course a community at that point would go crazy and develop a complex. Im not saying its deserved, but pointing at a guy who just got shot in the leg and telling him he should just kneel over and die, even tho hes still standing, is extremely mean spirited and undeserved.

[@Curly55]

Yeah it gets on my nerves when people try to act like they’re making an intelligent discussion when all their doing is roasting the comments that are easy to make fun of and respond to, while ignoring the majority of intelligent comments with actual valid points.

[@mycop2323]

Okay then. First of all, if a statement is generally applicable does that make it false? Next, I would like some clarification about why that argument of mine is bad. And no, I was not telling you to judge something without experiencing it. You have made it very clear you used to play TF2, and I was replying to you specifically. I understand if you think I'm creepy as someone looking in from the outside without actually knowing what my content is about, I really do. But like, how is that relevant in the slightest? You just put up my channel and called me a creep to avoid responding to me calling you out for being fucked up in a different way until later. Especially given the personal things I've been dealing with over the last year, I find it incredibly distasteful to insult people over their voices regardless of what game they make content for. Finally, I had already responded to your very respectful and well-worded reply (harsh accusation) about my channel in a way that connected back to my point about TF2 content. You seem to have neglected to include both that and your initial reply, despite being fine to do it with others. I find it hard to believe that was not deliberate. I'm glad we ultimately have the same conclusion, that people can choose to play TF2 or not. And frankly, I can agree that a lot of those comments really suck. But does choosing not to engage with the game or its player base really have to involve insulting as many people as possible and discouraging any efforts to help the game? I want to be constructive with you and understand your perspective, but it's so hard when you seem dead-set on insulting me because I like TF2 and anime girls. It really seems like you accidentally saw one too many mentions of SaveTF2 in your YT recommendations and are taking out your frustration by lashing out at everyone to try to make others as pissed off as you are, that's what I meant in calling you a contrarian. Please, don't try to drag others down and instead try to focus on something else that makes you happy. If you have any further feedback, I would love to discuss it in spite of our differences. Maybe we can both learn something or impove in some way from this whole thing.

[@iwanwahyudi7004]

mald

[@mycop2323]

@@iwanwahyudi7004 Isn't that the exact type of comment our friend here was making fun of for most of the video?

[@iwanwahyudi7004]

​@@mycop2323 yes

[@iwanwahyudi7004]

Sorry for the late reply

[@mycop2323]

@@iwanwahyudi7004 Huh. Alrighty.

[@yoman5029]

saying this rn, #fixtf2 will NOT work, unless if the people pushing it forward have a good plan in mind. the movement is something we shouldn't just spread around on the internet and expect to get the attention of valve or some higher authority like the police, it's a movement that should *actually* put in the effort to make valve aware of the situation, and the community isn't doing a very good job at it. ...or maybe it will get valve to notice the current issues plaguing modern tf2, with the bot hosters posting cp and whatnot...i dunno, i'm just sitting on the sidelines to see what happens next going forward in tf2's future.

[@site.the-gamer]

if i remember correctly this time #FixTF2 is actually going to try instead of spamming a hashtag around the internet, theres people signing a petition, review bombing the game, hell im pretty sure even emails being sent to valve, who knows what else they'll do

[@BRNG2042]

I've got crazy news, man

[@MikroKascm]

I can't believe Civer River posted videos of underaged anime girls, real falloff from tf2😢😢 Edit:i was just kidding, chill out😊, also i don't know if the tf2 fans liked it or the Riverciver fans😮.

[@Yellomelon]

Bro is definitely a spy main

[@MikroKascm]

@@Yellomelon I don't play tf2 so i don't know what you are talking about, but il take it

[@Yellomelon]

@@MikroKascm no I mean the guy which u are talking about!

[@Yellomelon]

@@MikroKascm I meant civer

[@MikroKascm]

@@Yellomelon OH i get it

[@User2-g2z]

Respond to the recent ban wave lil bro , or u afraid ur points now hold no wight?

[@RiverCiver]

not the point bwo

[@gansterchompernoscopeblazit]

@@RiverCiveryou know looking at both of the of the videos made me realize that you’re right valve may have got rid of the bots but we still need an update and yes the tf2 community is bored from the lack of updates but tell me what community wouldn’t get bored over time 🤔

[@TF2ConscientiousObjector]

@@RiverCiverwhen you gonna hit puberty?

[@RiverCiver]

@@mustardman5618 slander

[@mustardman5618]

@@RiverCiver Yeah we didn't forget, Wimptastic cooked u ;)

[@spidext]

Most of the tf2 community is very old (much like the game) and stems from a time where valve had good communication and understanding with the playerbase. Given this games uniqueness, wether its cartoony visuals or its voice acting it pretty much got a lot of things right and is still a very good game compared to modern day fps. The players can be interpreted as the children of a neglectful parent and just desire to spend more time with their parents (valve). Save Tf2 was (this isnt copium) very complicated to understand for even the people who started the movement. We were focused on making it a 'peaceful' protest and a request to valve for a better handle on their game. Since its genuinely such a masterpiece of a game the players didnt want to just give up and move on to play other games (also other games arent similar at all to the playstyles tf2 offers), hence the movement. However our main concern now with FixTf2 is simply a fix on the bots that infest every casual server. I guess the several reasons the playerbase is still clinging onto the game are summed up. Now to direct attention to your points. Yes the community is very bored and has literally nothing to do. but you cannot blame a playerbase that hasnt gotten any good content in 7 years for this type of repetitive content and memes. If tommorow Blizzard stopped updating OW and left it to die for 7 years i bet the playerbase would be just as angry as us. Your other points about "tf2 based rest is bad" are not entirely true. While yes a lot of the playerbase compares tf2 to other games and deems it better, you must also look at other fps games that came out at that time or even now. Tf2 is still at its core better than a lot of games out there. While yes the community should stop comparing tf2 with other games, you must also look at other examples such as Fortnite being compared to Pubg or minecraft being compared to roblox. Granted, the community is largely young but the point still stands. If there is a game in a relatively same genre then it will 100% be compared to another similar game. Also your points regarding people with annoying voices and opinions, again thats literally every single fanbase of not just video games. You'll find so many people who have annoying voices LITERALLY everywhere. Also, the reddit and twitter people represent a very small chunk of the playerbase. To conclude, our playerbase is pretty much left to rot in a jail cell and not even given food by gaurds, instead they let other prisoners come and beat you with a stick. edit- removed the requirement to not type copium. lmao type away

[@digitaldud3664]

Tf2 just needs to use community servers like it did on launch. If Valve does nothing about the bot crisis. I know theres the whole "Valve has a responsibility to fix the official servers", but again people need to realize that the bots are just going to comeback with every patch. With it being a free to play game anyone can replace a bot account. The only thing is that contracts would have to be reworked.

[@Kaybeeguy]

Finally, a coherent take that isn't just blindly agreeing with this guys video.

[@spidext]

@@digitaldud3664 Yes bots can come back with any update/ patch, I think valve has enough power to study the glitches these bots exploit and fix them. Sure it'll take at least 10-15 patches but they can do it. Also, the community server menu is rather antique when looked at by newer players.. hence the reason why casual needs to be fixed

[@digitaldud3664]

@@spidext I suppose only time will tell

[@commcrimson9999]

DNR + Copium

[@ausi6758]

2:05 No matter the outcome, there will finally be closure since the community was as thorough about this movement as possible. Also for a game that still releases cosmetics/micro transactions, it isn't unreasonable (or in your words, harassing a dead cockroach) for wanting the game to be functioning enough for it to be worth spending money.

[@GleebieDeebie]

I appreciate the fact that you came in with an opinion and stuck by it, especially because of how controversial to some it may be, but your general attitude can just come across as a bit "edgy" and I personally stand by my opinion that some of the comments you made in the video (specifically the TF2 accent comment) was just unnecessary and just makes you look a bit like a prick (you are free to disagree though, im not gonna flip tables over the silly hat trading game)

[@G-Man____]

Why didn’t you show the whatt or wheeze channel? Unless you want to make your opinion look more valid by using stereotypes for this community

[@Redmont_]

what do you expect from people who made a movement about tf2? not make tf2 content?

[@Dr.greencreator228]

​​​@@Redmont_yea! Like what he thinked about?

[@CrimsoniteSP]

One thing I think is funny about actively showing other people's channels is that even though it's used as comedy, just because the last video was so hated on it might actually give the channel's shown more traction out of spite. I mean, y'know, if the channels shown were decent. I don't think RiverCiver deserved the hate. He is fueled by the hatred but if people could actually take some heat, they wouldn't be so blinded by the fact that being aggressive is all just for fun. I'm not defending him entirely because there were some points I disagreed with in the original video, I just don't agree with the hate mobbing. It was genuine criticism, even if it had an aggressive tone sprinkled in for the enjoyment factor.

[@eduardavillaltagomez680]

Yeah that true nut he still needs to be nicer. The internet is filed with too much negativity . We dont need more

[@ScoutMain405]

Im a tf2 fan, and I love tf2. You had some really good criticism's that i might not agree with but they're still good. I just don't get the aggressiveness. Maybe just tone it down a little bit, or don't, you can live with ur own opinions.

[@mrtinz5704]

I'm a big TF2 fan, as you can see by the PFP (lame ik), but I didn't mind the last video. It's harsh, but sometimes people need a punch in the gut. I was of the same mindset of "TF2 is really special, and nothing compares to it's unadulterated majesty!" Or some cringe-worthy shit like that. But then I came across that video, and something changed! Something about your point of "TF2 fans superiority complex" smacked me in the face, but in a good way! Yes TF2 is amazing, yes it's timeless, but to claim that it is a game with no flaws is ignorant and childish. This idea that TF2 is, as you described, one of the "based" games, really held me back from trying out other games. I also really liked the point that you made about content fatigue in terms of TFtubers. I enjoy most TF2 content creators like ZestyJesus, Mönkey, Uncle Dane, and hell, even TheWhatShow! But yeah, you're right. A lot of them blend together. They lack a certain uniqueness, humor, or originality that KZbinrs like ZestyJesus, LazyPurple, and Vorobey bring to the table. Vorobey is good at the game, and has a IDGAF disposition in his videos, Zesty does some real and actual analysis and thinking in terms of game balance or the research for the bot numbers video, and Lazy has his "How It FEELS" series which has millions of views. These gems are amongst a sea of the same video seemingly copy-pasted one after another. I personally think that if you want to discuss your personal views on how to balance something in TF2, or you want to make a clip dump video, at the very least, strive to have a semi-unique or interesting editing style, or funny/satirical demeanor. To sum everything up, I agree with you on lazy TF2 content that was birthed from lack of updates as well as the extreme boredom that has caused us to regurgitate the same crap over and over, I also agree with the Superiority Complex segment of your previous video. I think that FixTF2 shouldn't just be for TF2, it should be a message to Valve as a company. They're letting TF2 and CS2 go into the shitter. And Deadlock I'm sure will have the same problem. I will continue to play the game even if the bots don't get fixed. And who knows! Maybe Valve the company will take notice. Not the TF2 dev team. Unlikely, but once again, who knows? Also the joke that surrounds TF2 players and how they are either furries or anime/hentai addicts was exemplified by this video lol. The Conscientious Objector sure is something.

[@TF2ConscientiousObjector]

I like how he uses “band kids” like you can tell he peaked in middle school

[@mustardman5618]

Bro is a band kid himself, Wimptastic made a video on this racist clown, hes a hypocrite lmao

[@jayzillapowerfull4292]

id rather die on my feet than on my knees. Telling people copium because they want to try is stupid. The entire reason most of the community is mad at you is because We still want to try and fix the game too many people love tf2 blah blah you know the jest. Why just not at least try again then just give up and move on. And the constant videos of same weapons. some people have different opinion on the weapon. yeah its the same over and over but some atleast give styles to use it gimmicks and try and continue to find new ways to play with the weapon. At least look and try to understand why people do the things they do instead of just shouting "copium"

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

you already failed. have fun playing deadlock in 2025.

[@Whenwhereeverywhere]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413people on the internet try not to be a doomer for half a picosecond challenge (extreme)

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

@@Whenwhereeverywhere >nonono the game hasnt had any developer support for 8 years, but this petition will save tf2!

[@Whenwhereeverywhere]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I agree, it won’t do shit but there’s really no harm in trying

[@jayzillapowerfull4292]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 No ones gonna play deadlock. MAybe im wrong but seeing fix tf2 trend now shows people that your game will slowly loose support and be left to rot. csgo is feeling it now to. so why get into a game that most likely just end up not supported in 5 years. Your logic and "We cant do it" disgusts me. Have a better attidue and stop giving up

[@ukaber7227]

You sound like somebody who lacks friends. Do you need someone? A hug? Maybe some pancakes? Not even like, in a condescending way like I mean it you need friends bro.

[@gruzi.]

jew

[@JAYLID-z8k]

Not related to the video, but you are one of my favorite commentary KZbins currently. Your not a bland robot spouting the same opinions or a yes man trying to get on the majorities side, you feel like an actual person with actual opinions. Hope you succeed one day.

[@KannaDHD]

^

[@user-AADZ]

I'm really sorry to anyone's Channel videos were shown in this video

[@MultiCoolmovies]

I appreciate RiverCiver for showing us so many channels that have videos better than his. He's very humble.

[@Carbon3979]

why are you sorry

[@EvilSantaTheTrue]

@@MultiCoolmovies remember when i told you that you sound fat?

[@StaxWasHeree]

​@@MultiCoolmovies "better"

[@user-AADZ]

​@@StaxWasHereehe was just probably joking about that, maybe

[@iamUnskilled]

Imma keep it real, I saw your first video and I didn't agree with most of the things you said in that one, but the callout to LS mark was mad funny.

[@Blappyboop]

Ls cuck

[@RiverCiver]

glad someone enjoyed it

[@Tarky-ts9lx]

he is still saying that truth can hurt wtf

[@jozefuhasis1338]

"I'm passionate about my hate for the community" is such a beautiful line All the mindless, cookie-cutter drones using the same copy-paste lingo who are now after you show it's valid.

[@MenitoBussolini-z9w]

Ngl, I played tf2 for a similar amount of time as you and I think the points you bring up actually make sense. It’s been a while since I watched content related to tf2 items since I don’t really play anymore. It’s kind of sad to agree with you about the content being dry but I still come back to have some fun every now and then. I still think this is kind of a strange take in a way because I get there are tons of cringy tryhard soldier players out there who honestly deserve to be called out for their superiority complex but I think you’re undermining the actual wholesome players who kind of just stick around for the game itself not its community. I think when people say you sound contradictory, they’re talking about how you say you want the game to be in a better state but also say to move on from the game and call out people who are prominent in its community which one could argue is not really helping to get the game in a better state. To be fair though, the game would actually need an update to be in good shape but what can these guys do other than promote the game right? Also, I don’t think it’s fair to say that these tf2 content creators are boring because you don’t even watch them and in some cases people have been able to make boring topics interesting like oversimplified or one of those videos teachers show in biology to make things interesting. I think a great example of this would be that one tf2 KZbin guy who has breakfast in his name. Even if you said there are some gems like lazy purple, you’re still undermining the effort of other people. People are also saying that your video is rage bait and even though your intention wasn’t that, it still could be considered rage bait when you’re targeting the most vile people in the tf2 community who would instantly seethe at the sight of backlash. For your take on fixtf2, I agree that there is little to no hope in a revival for tf2 when they have nobody to work on the game. When valve has giants like cs2 and dota farming them money that tf2 could only dream of achieving, what incentive does valve have to fix the game? A couple die hard fans? I’ve always liked keeping an open mind so playing different games that are in vastly different genres from tf2 hasn’t been difficult and seeing your side of this argument isn’t difficult under the right guise. All I can really say is spare us a bit, the nostalgia is strong with this game.

[@ThatGuy89002]

6:53 "It touches on the idea that if i wasn't so aggressive and mean people might actually listen to the things i'm saying" That actually has been pointed out by Zesty Jesus a long time ago since he's been saying pretty much 95% of the talking points about how TF2's broken and how Valve doesn't give a flying fuck for ages, but because he says it with a slight tone of disgust and anger, nobody cares and everybody will strawman him to the day he dies, Which honestly is kinda hilarious since most talking points now a days are just parroting him almost word per word. TF2's community is pretty much the living embodiment of toxic positivity, The TF2 Accent is pretty much the only way people will ever accept your opinion. It's not what you're saying that pisses them off, It's how you're saying it

[@arieson7715]

YOu said it. You said what everyone else was afraid to. I left TF2 in 2018 from just how terribly obnoxious the community was becoming. I have never heard a truer take.

[@---qm1th]

I'm going to preface this by saying I saw your previous video, and that I agreed with pretty much everything you said there. I didn't feel like commenting there, so I'll take the opportunity to speak my mind here. I've been playing TF2 for a good while now. Not since release, but for a good while. And I can definitely say the community has changed. I cannot pinpoint exactly WHEN it happened, but if I had to wager a guess, it would be around 2016 when Overwatch released. For as much the TF2 community loves to talk about how the TF2 is great, they fly into a seething rage whenever they feel like the game is being threatened by another. For YEARS the community wouldn't shut the fuck up about Overwatch, and gleefully danced over its grave when the trashfire that was OW2 happened. And you can see it happening again with Deadlock right now. The community is still doing great things (Emesis Blue was pretty cool), sure, but it is absolutely a shadow of its former self. When people started gearing up for savetf2 2, I had the small hope that it would be actually SOMETHING other than an useless big chungus wholesome protest. So imagine my disappointment when it turned out to be the same exact thing, with the main "head" of the game telling people not to boycott valve. And worst of all, you cannot even criticize this weak movement without being mauled to death by a dozen fans, as your previous video showed. You could say that every community has its bad apples, but I know this is not true. Other games I play, such as Warframe and DRG, have wonderful communities. Not perfect in any way, but still miles better than TF2's, and nowhere as annoying. Like everyone else, I do want TF2 to be a functional game. But a part of me also thinks a shitty community deserves a shitty game. This is getting long enough already, so I'll end this by saying it is refreshing to see someone being truthful for once instead of the average insufferable youtuber. Keep up the good work.

[@cataclysmkataklysm]

You can say the game is overly boring for the moment, but the game is still pretty enjoyable after playing it after a 2 month pause or smth

[@Mrlolol7779]

This is honestly a breath of fresh air, I'm surprised I haven't seen more people pushing back other than Richter Overtime. This second "protest" is such a thinly veiled way for content creators to farm engagement.

[@TheOnlyPedroGameplays]

What does overtime have to say about it?

[@yes_and_so_what]

@@TheOnlyPedroGameplays in a shellnut: he believe we should do more and feels guilty for being in such a decayed community though you should still watch the vid since a single comment provides less depth

[@RoofusRoof19]

no this guy isnt like zesty or richter he doesnt care about tf2 he's just a leefy wannabe

[@TheOnlyPedroGameplays]

@@yes_and_so_what I can’t find a video about that on overtime’s recent stuff

[@TheOnlyPedroGameplays]

@@RoofusRoof19leafy isn’t relevant, neither is this comment. Is it impossible for you to accept another person’s opinion without having to label them as something dumb and bad?

[@Khnope]

Here’s the thing. You have good points, but then again we play the game because we love it like you love say DBD or whatever you play. The thing is, you don’t gotta call use degens or our memes shit memes because you don’t like them. Other games have the same memes reused over and over, and it’s your opinion to whether you like it or not. Your video is fine, but just chill out with being so damn aggressive, you can have a calm voice and still make a video or get views, like how Weezy has a calm voice too.

[@ScumSookar]

Cry more.

[@gnomed43000]

He’s not embracing the tf2 accent voice brøœ

[@Lonqudor]

4:56 Just because someone else has made a video on something, doesn't mean other people cant to. Variety is the spice of life, no? One man shouldn't have a monopoly on a video idea, that's not "the community is so board that they continuously make videos on the same S over and over again" Have to agree with you on the band kid humour, however. Don't really agree with much else sorry.

[@OfficerIDPD]

"Variety"? all those videos just spout the same things over and over just with different wording. You could watch 2 videos on some weapon meta side-by-side and it would have the same effect as watching only 1 of them.

[@yes_and_so_what]

@@OfficerIDPD when you have enough people speak at the same time, there will be a moment a couple of people blurt out similar things

[@OfficerIDPD]

@@yes_and_so_what Except that moment is 90% of the video (if im being generous)

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

dude i dont need a mid spy main to read me weapon stats from the wiki that havent changed in the last 10 years

[@elfascisto6549]

​@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 don't watch the videos

[@randomusernamethatididntsteal]

I like tf2 but the community. Not so much. Not trying to belittle the video.

[@rookie5026]

>One person calls the TF2 community bored >Triggers a flood of angry people with nothing better to do

[@goomah8057]

...which proves him right

[@hezler4430]

Bet he's not gonna reply 4chan spacing to this one

[@DuncanWilliamsOFFICIAL]

*an angry man with nothing better to do noises*

[@Yellomelon]

IT JUST AINT RIGHT! auurrhhh.. DAMN DAGNABBIT!!!1!1! Boooooooo! Ah, good night, irene.

[@Yellomelon]

AAIIH DED WAH AH COUD 😭

[@truefupu]

I mean, you did ask for negative attention so there's no point in talking about that. Anyways, I just think the previous video was too cluttered, I was confused if it was rage bait or just you balling all your thoughts with aggression. The edits didn't save the retention of the video either and it just confused me further on who the video was made for. If you think that was just funny then ig you do you. You knew you were gonna make this video, again confusing me about the intentions of the video. My point is, okay video, and this is a yt comment.

[@benedictegerman5000]

I like your vids a lot man. I am just kinda sad that I missed what actual good tf2 was like since I started playing in 2023, what a shame.

[@imnotsodefeated]

LMAO i literally remember watching you back in 2017 during the gd era and now i find out you share the same controversial opinions as me keep going forward man

[@peopleperson]

same bro

[@letal6123]

Finally, someone who actually has balls to say not nice things about TF2 stuff. That's what Zesty talked about in one of his videos. TF2 community can't even handle someone calling a weapon skin "stinky". They talk about positive behaviour, but become toxic pile of trash, when someone disagrees with them. It's in tf2's roots. Even 10 years ago, when "friendlies" started to say "let people play as they want" and instantly tried to kick you because you did so (i want to frag). I spent near 7.5k hrs in this game and i enjoyed the gameplay, even with it's flaws. I enjoyed some of beautiful SFMs. But the only thing i couldn't enjoy is the youtuber's content. There are good TF2burs of course. Vorobey, Zesty (even i totally disagree with his point of view on gameplay), Lazy Purple. But like, 10 years into this community, I still don't understand how people like soundsmith, video essays like elmaxo's etc. The community suffocated itself with this abusive positivity. Good thing won't grow if you hate, but bad thing can grow if you won't critisize.

[@ita_spartan_lover8458]

as a tf2 fan/player, i can confirm that if you even dare to say anything, a big part of the community is gona hate you, even tho they could just ignore, but they get too much hurt to not do so

[@KannaDHD]

as a player that played tf2 for 7 years, i absolutely agree with you

[@kyperactive]

Maybe not Vorobey...

[@letal6123]

@@kyperactive blablabla, go make another video about his fans being toxic

[@kyperactive]

@@guggluggujug I dont plan to deeply explain, but to put it simply, guy is egotistical and manipulative. I go into more detail in my garbage videos.

[@ИванЕфимчук-т7б]

(Obligatory "sorry for bad english") Speaking of "got popular off of geometry dash" take (if you can even call it that). I found you through this TF2 vid and instantly got interested in what else you make and i say your non-GD vids (the ones you made after quitting GD which these bots somehow completely miss) are the most refreshing takes on... everything really. It's like you took my own thoughts and made them into cohesive and engaging videos and for that... thank you, you genuienly gave me a wake up call to reconsider how i interact with everything on the internet. Many thanks.

[@Astyl_]

If I could, I would shake your hand. You absolutely decimated the injection-molded masses of TF2 consoomer products cosplaying as people. I have been saying this stuff about the community for the last 8 years since I started playing.

[@jozefuhasis1338]

asstilt the spy main

[@Astyl_]

@@jozefuhasis1338 Hello mysterious stranger who I don't know.

[@KannaDHD]

"TF2 consoomer products cosplaying as people" I am absolutely taking this, +1

[@Astyl_]

@@eduardavillaltagomez680 I believe the truth and he's telling it. I also think we need to bring back bullying 🤷‍♂

[@Whenwhereeverywhere]

Holy buzzwords

[@TF2tw3rk]

10:51 That was one of the best "tip of the hats" in tf2 history. thank you sir!

[@463Cigarettes]

I love ur content ur my fav tf2 yt

[@Dr.greencreator228]

The funny thing that your content much better than his

[@MingeBorea]

i hate the current community for the game, the content creators suck, there's no more goofy maps or mods on the server browser where you can join in screw around for as long as shit talking and exploring whatever massive maps the host is running, its all slop. Ever since Overwatch/ MYM the community has slowly descended into absolute garbage stuck to the past about how unique and special and perfect the game is while actively turning from what actually made the game so great before.

[@Felipe45345]

>soyjak pfp yeah, your opinion is discarded.

[@MingeBorea]

@@Felipe45345 "yeah, your opinion is discard-ACK"

[@Felipe45345]

@@MingeBorea Listen kid. I don't really take the opinion of children who watch gay porn, and child gore on a daily basis into consideration.

[@Felipe45345]

@@MingeBorea Listen kid, I don't really take the opinion of people who get raided by cheese pizza and who are enthusiastic about watching dead newborns.

[@Personbelowmeisadumbass]

​@@Felipe45345i got perma banned on the sharty. Feels like heaven again

[@Kaybeeguy]

>Makes idiotic statement >"Wow, so many pissed off people"

[@Dr.greencreator228]

Yes! Why most comments here praise the guy?

[@vulcanmemes9770]

4chan spacing

[@elfascisto6549]

​@@vulcanmemes9770 so ?

[@RiverCiver]

spacing of the 4chan

[@KannaDHD]

*correct statements constantly misinterpreted and strawmanned by the other party

[@nickgammon1322]

How does it make you a sheep to play tf2 Like playing a one hundred year old game doesn't make you a sheep it makes you A weirdo

[@MinosPrimeGaming]

Chess players, who have been playing the same game for thousands of years: 😕

[@ongopom]

what are you smoking chief

[@noman-ux2im]

Can't comprehend your stroke of a comment, please rephrase it.

[@teezzmegee972]

Honestly I must agree with a lot of your points. Tf2 players are of the most...."special" type of people I've seen next to the creatures in vrchat. It's tough that you've been pushed down by these other youtubers as they are in someway a contributer to a much wider community issue as a whole. I'm thankful that I've left that game behind but there isn't truly anything like it and I might try out Tf2 classic, find other games(which I struggle because I'm a little picky asf) or even return back into my older hobbies(like writing and etc). Additionally, valve really sucks but....modding is the core reason this company stays a float, they abandoned so many games and projects yes. But that doesn't mean people should just be so railed up about it or protest for something that wouldn't go anywhere. If they really want to savetf2, they gotta abandon the valve version of the game and support those mod projects or even make games if they're dedicated enough to do it. We can't depend on a company to everything for us, their only interest now is profit and nothing more.

[@Dr.greencreator228]

You kind of guy to say "if we ruin games economy, Valve would recognize us!". No they will fucking not. If we really will go support fan tf2 projects, thats will make close game entirally, so if tf2 will not give Valve enough profit, they will close it, so invalid point

[@noman-ux2im]

​@@Dr.greencreator228 No, counterstrike and dota will realize that their things can be thrown in the void and spend nothing anymore.

[@Dr.greencreator228]

@@noman-ux2im nah, they will not. The truth is: counter strike and dota are way more popular than tf2, if we will count amount of real players that playing that games

[@noman-ux2im]

@@Dr.greencreator228 Still not realistic for valve to shut it down ever

[@Dr.greencreator228]

@@noman-ux2im eh, you right

[@shortBP520]

Let’s hope the comments aren’t cherry picked or filtered out 😅

[@MassMortar]

I love tf2, but this man is not cherry picking. You are coping heavy

[@ziphy_6471]

They are

[@ziphy_6471]

@@MassMortar I'll do what you are doing now, keep seething

[@MassMortar]

@@ziphy_6471 How? He can't have an hour long video picking out 1000 comments. Most of the comments from the original video were most of the same. He found the ones that were examples that could fit most of the others.

[@ziphy_6471]

@@MassMortar mmh, cope?

[@MistaLombic]

I JUST WANT THE GAME TO BE PLAYABLE WHY IS EVERYONE CLOWNING US BECAUSE WE LOVE A CERTAIN GAME

[@Carbon3979]

its because the tf2 community is very obnoxious and can't just move on. as someone who loves the game a lot its time to let it go because valve is obviously not working on it anymore and for the replacement game well idk play tf2 classic or whatever its called that seems neat and as for me i stopped playing games about the time I got tired of tf2 and the piss poor state that its constantly in and the retarded community about 6-7 years ago.

[@KannaDHD]

the game doesn't love you back

[@MistaLombic]

@@KannaDHD doesn’t matter

[@KannaDHD]

@@MistaLombic one-sided relationship 💔

[@MistaLombic]

@@KannaDHD forgotten but still loved ❤️❤️

[@Yellomelon]

Bro can’t handle having an argument, instead he just says who asked and moves on with his day. No seriously pls if someone is trying to prove you wrong just try to convince each other to understand your philosophy, and maybe, just maybe, you can both come to the same conclusion!

[@Yellomelon]

Moral of the story: making fun of someone isn’t changing anything for anyone

[@vanpsycho0]

yo bro, I am so glad i discovered your channel. It's so underrated, I'm subbing

[@fakename5881]

the simple solution is to never interface with the tf2 community and simply only play the game tbh

[@explosion6768]

That applies to every game.

[@SomeGuy-bx7bk]

While I do agree with you on some points, and some of the people you’ve shown are definitely just trying to invalidate you with hearing your point. I still think we should fight to for TF2, because it’s better to go out swinging like a Mann, then just sitting down and taking it.

[@lepulga3712]

It's funny how the entire video he is asking for the people to take him seriusly giving him arguments, when in the video he doesn't eve take himself seriously. Then proceedes to make a video using the "nerd emoji" voice. Hearing this video reminded me of a 6 year old kid screaming "No you can't shoot me I have a anti everithing shield" when he where saying "also if you say bro you automatically loose"

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

why are you calling someone a 6 year old child when you cant even spell proceeds? you started playing tf2 after 2020 guaranteed

[@lepulga3712]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 if you could read as good as you talk, you would see that I said "it reminded me" it's not the same. And is very lame to ignore the topic of the commentary just for a grammatical error, that just show that you have no other argument. Also I've been playing since 2012 to TF2, try again buddy

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

@@lepulga3712 "eve take himself seriously" "proceedes to make a video" "when he where saying" "anti everithing shield" "you automatically loose" bro.

[@lepulga3712]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 still prooving my point, lame

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

@@lepulga3712 >prooving oh my lord

[@vanillatherealone]

honestly, unlike probably a lot of these people who either straight up do not care or do care and are angry about it, i'm the 10% of people who don't care about other people's opinions. cause even i'm not very optimistic FixTF2 will work, hell if anything i hate the fanbase more then i do the game, and its not because of fixtf2. do i support fixtf2? to a degree but i won't say i'm gonna join the bandwagon. will i contribute? no, not really, i'd rather stay on the sidelines and see how this plays out. i've moved onto other games like l4d2 and stuff, and i will say, i think deadlock looks pretty cool, i won't be surprised if the bot hosters try to host bots for it, though. either-way, i more or less didn't hate your video but mostly just said my opinion on it, no ill intent towards you or anyone who thinks the same thing as you, we're all different. however i will say: based take on the gordon freeman pfp guy, it goes hard. either-way, hope you have a nice day man.

[@christhenerd2691]

As someone who has played tf2 for 4K hours and eventually stopped after a couple months of Jungle Inferno. I will 100% agree that the tf2 community is probably the most bored and the community with the biggest superiority complex ever. Mostly quitting the game, aka playing it like once annually, has made me more happy than staying with the game. Plus the game community is nowhere near as nice as people say it is, piss off the wrong group and you can have them stalk your games to vote kick spam you all while voice spamming slurs while the mindless drones auto press f1 while not looking at who is actually mic spamming. The game fell from grace back in MyM, and the community has been denying it ever since. Valve will never fix the game since they no longer develop games, nor do they actually have any devs anymore. The happiest I’ve been involving anything in the tf2 community is that people realizing their playerbase is 70% bots after I’ve been seeing it for years how much better tf2 is as a game due to it being an old game with “200k players”. Keep on with making these people mad, I’m enjoying every second of it.

[@monkeybooger89]

8:00 "your basically saying that im not allowed to say my opinions and say that something sucks!" but when the tf2 community says that the bot problem sucks then they're not allowed to say their opinions, got it

[@venomousbook]

Ok then honest question, you said you signed the patition but you don't like the way it's being spread around the internet, if you did things your way how would you do things to "fix" the bot problem?

[@KannaDHD]

admit that valve won't fix the game? Its not easy solution both technically and socially

[@venomousbook]

@@KannaDHD i'd agree but if community servers can have working anti cheat, why not valve servers? Are they different enough to make it to much work for the returns, or is it just that the game is that old that the coding is too difficult now?

[@KannaDHD]

@@venomousbook How VAC detects cheats is if something (such as a .dll file) is inserted into the game or not, or manually chosen .dll files (such as free lmaobox) But the injectors most cheats uses nowadays are vastly different from the scope of VAC's detection system and the only reason why Community servers are able to detect better than VAC is because they focused on cheat features and robotic phenomenons (such as aimlocking into a pixel more than 0.5 seconds gets you banned from UC servers) but even then Cheats have SAC bypass which auto-disabled features depending on the anti-cheat being run on the server. so even community servers are not safe currently, it's just that it doesn't get the attention of cheaters and botters

[@venomousbook]

@@KannaDHD yeah, i have come across a few cheaters that seem to have toggleable cheats or scripts like that, at that point we'd call for an admin to ban them, they are some of the most annoying people. I wouldn't even be sure if they constantly update their anti cheat but i'd still rather play community servers

[@KannaDHD]

@@eduardavillaltagomez680 you can't punch a steel wall and expect it to break, you will break your knuckles. Valve won't do anything for TF2 and that's a announcement set in stone, i love optimism as much as the next guy but when it starts to cloud your judgement it stops being optimism and (unironically) becomes copium

[@koulematon7359]

I have played TF2 for about 200 hours during it's "golden age" in 2011-2013. It was a perfect experience. After that I played it sporadically, the experience got worse, gameplay was very repetitive. You guys want to enjoy TF2? Then build a time machine. This game is outdated. Stop asking for a fix. Ask for TF3.

[@corbinallen4562]

You made a bad video were you do stuff you complained about in the video. And you expect people to not point out its a bad video lol.

[@tallos1340]

Why is it bad tho

[@tallos1340]

@@AlejandroLuzaMendoza ¿?

[@corbinallen4562]

@tallos1340 He complains about stuff he's doing in the vid. That's why it's bad. Not to mention he doesn't have any real points that hold up. Melee is a old game but you don't see people complaining about how there community is bored. Even if they make multiple videos covering the same subject. The rest of his arguments are him saying all of the tf2 community is a certain way and they all act the same. Which is kinda ironic because he also complained about tf2 players criticizing anyone who plays anything else other than tf2 and how tf2 players generalize them. Which is what he's doing in the vid.

[@demongamer_IX]

I hate how people are saying negative comments about Deadlock when it's not even out, it reminds me of that time when someone leaked cutscene footage for the upcoming Wolverine game and people got upset because of how unpolished it looked, without even taking the fact that it's in development. I do agree with the argument that if they don't find a way to make a new anti-cheat this game will become infested with bots too. But the difference between TF2 and Deadlock, is that TF2 is a VERY old game which gave botters time to make bots, dissecting the game as time passed, not to mention, the code was leaked. As a result, made it more easy to make bots. Deadlock is not, so nobody knows how it's coded, unless somehow it's code gets leaked, bots will not be as huge as TF2's in it's early life. My theory, Valve is not only working on Deadlock but is also on a new anti-cheat for it. If so, they could replace the old one with the new one. Although I'm pretty sure they're gonna use a different engine, so implementing Deadlock's to TF2's would be difficult or impossible. I'm being very optimistic but one can dream, right?

[@Redmont_]

lets just say people are never happy

[@OfficerIDPD]

If Deadlock actually turns out to be fun and successful im gonna laugh really hard when TF2 fans have to eventually take that bruise to their egos

[@Felipe45345]

@@OfficerIDPD Im in the beta, the core gameplay is pretty fun. But it suffers from the usual failings of a moba. Btw, it's barely anything like ovwewatch. It's more like a tps version of dota.

[@OfficerIDPD]

@@Felipe45345 Yeah I heard similar news from another guy who claimed to be a beta tester. I never played Dota since I was never a fan of mobas but if they manage to switch it up a bit it might be interesting

[@Felipe45345]

@@OfficerIDPD it's an icefrog game. So if you want to try it out without the moba aspects. It should be a good idea to check out modded servers (which don't exist currently.)

[@kemmybelleuwu]

im glad your responding to these manchildren lots of respect for you man

[@anthonymanuel1384]

The Dickriding IS CRAZY

[@Noreapyt]

I respect your opinion but calling other people out who love tf2 and trying to help fix the crisis that tf2 is suffering. I also agree the community can be annoying but I rather have my community be annoying the forgotten from bots and cheater.

[@fancydoge5611]

Liked the first video, thought it was pretty refreshing, agreed with alot of the points, but then the bastard dissed buff engineer.

[@name-h7x]

4:04 i like how you needed to go on to that guy's channel and look for a reason to show that you're "superior" to him (Edit) I just watched more of the video, turns out if people make points he doesn't agree with he NEEDS to search for a reason to hate them no hate, just leave the tf2 community alone. People just want to see this game have updates again since there's nothing else really like tf2. I fully agree with your point about the community being annoying and spamming memes and the whole superiority complex thing. you should also have censored the names of people, just so there's no risk of getting people harassed.

[@Yellomelon]

So what ur saying is you’re a doomer(person who does nothing to try to help the situation for no reason)

[@kyperactive]

That's what you got out of this? Doomer is just a meaningless buzzword at this point, make an actual argument.

[@delacx7765]

@@kyperactive civer's argument is also meaningless

[@kyperactive]

@@delacx7765 And ya dont explain how... bruh... what is with yall and failing to explain yourselves unless asked?

[@delacx7765]

@@kyperactive his argument isnt completely meaningless I do agree some of the stuff he says but it's a video made to pay rent

[@kyperactive]

@@delacx7765 And thats bad I guess? Im not picking up what yer putting down, but agree to diaagree.

[@davidvargas6500]

River as much as I agree with you the only one I didn’t fully agree with even though I pretty much Is because of the Charlie video your pretty much right but I only watch him for information on new things also hearing his voice is kinda funny sometimes but over all you right… now I’m done yapping

[@Forty3Snakes]

I love this so much i know a guy who put every work pay check into this free game telling everyone its a future investment and now his “investments” are down the drain lmaoo i love it these r not gamers they dont buy games just stupid items they r being forced to buy a new game and cannot handle it 😂

[@ita_spartan_lover8458]

people actually make lot of money with csgo and tf2, (but csgo more, nobody in tf2 makes big market)

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

the tf2 economy has been dead for 10 years how dumb is he

[@ita_spartan_lover8458]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 wait 10? wans't it always in problems like 24/7?

[@noman-ux2im]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 no

[@noman-ux2im]

​@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413No

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaa2907]

those geometry dash videos were peak as a child though

[@Und3rcov3r]

Really nice follow up video ! You explained the points I disagreed with from the original video, nothing more to say really. It's cool to see you talk about this in a more normal matter than last video, because my dumb ass was genuinely not sure if you were exaggerating or not lmfao. The only thing I'm not a huge fan of is you 'exposing' people's profiles ig. It's most definitely funny, but you could at least censor the names. Some folk just go and harass others for no reason after seeing them in a video, and although I doubt it's gonna happen much with your channel, it's still something worth considering. At least my channel wasn't exposed xdd.

[@Nicolas-kq3wi]

Honestly i don't really know what to say, but i get what you are trying to achieve TF2 for me it's a very unique and diverse game, i haven't seen any other shooter game that allows you to do some crazy shit and make it work somehow.

[@Idkwat2namemyself]

>Makes Fun Of TF2 >Makes Fun Of Comments >Makes fun of PFPs >Makes Fun Of Channels >"Yeah I defintley won"

[@commcrimson9999]

4chan slop watch the actual video

[@commcrimson9999]

4 comments on his channel yeah ur obsessed 😂😂😂😂

[@Idkwat2namemyself]

@@commcrimson9999 2 comments on my comment yeah ur obsessed 😂😂😂😂

[@commcrimson9999]

@@Idkwat2namemyself projection dork loser drop addy let’s fight

[@wiwu5648]

⁠@@Idkwat2namemyselfgo back to 4chan clown

[@Slushyplushi]

i dont really get why people are that angry about this i mean its just a bad vid on fix tf2 made by a commentary youtuber. (also no hate to you if your reading this, this is just my opinion)

[@SunMoon..]

i cant believe you're still pissing people off despite being correct 7 years later

[@blikthepro972]

honestly the only point i disagree with is saying anything positive about deadlock. i don't even play tf2, hell i don't even believe the protest will succeed unless they do something tangible like getting 50 of those copy pasted youtubers to go outside of valve hq and do a real protest (i commented this on another video and someone replied saying that a real protest would be harassment, like that's some max level self censorship brainrot, we are not safe). deadlock though is just this unholy combination of almost everything that is being criticized in this era of gaming. flat textured artstyle to satisfy the dreaded streaming bitrate, 5v5 csgo gamemode only, a bunch of forgettable characters that are trying too hard to be unique, 3rd person fortnite gameplay and shooting, and probably overpriced cosmetics. no matter how good the game is, it will never not be "valorant 2", which itself is "csgo 2". its fundamentally flawed

[@sharpfang3660]

if savetf2 did absolutely nothing for two years in a row then why would it do anything the third time. i don't get the tf2 community

[@ita_spartan_lover8458]

skill issue -answered the valve dev

[@TheGreatOne-gw7xh]

The tf2 community refuses to wake up and smell the roses. I first played tf2 in 2009, but its been almost a year since I have played tf2 because I have come to the assumption that valve will not fix the bot issues and this will be the new normal for tf2.

[@frenchspy9271]

​@@TheGreatOne-gw7xh the reason the bots are there is because of meet your match and believe me if that casual didnt exist the bots would be more crippled.

[@ziphy_6471]

Because we like the game?

[@yes_and_so_what]

mix of monetary fear and passion. tf2 has a giant economy that players have sunk so much cash into and now suddenly the game they invested thousands of dollars into is now at risk of death, yeah of course you wouldn't want that. and the other group are just people tired of valves negligence. with how cs2 is currently under a bot invasion of its own and valve working on a new game, people think its a good time to draw attention once more.

[@Cloutboifx]

Ive been subscribed since the text to speech GD videos. This is the first time I've ever heard your voice. Ngl I loved when ur videos had more edits put into it. What if you had fortnite gameplay (joke)

[@Fire_W_Fire]

Why is this guy making every comment sound like it was made by the nerd emoji? Is he tryna make himself seem better than them, or is he trying and failing to be funny?

[@KannaDHD]

it's sped up because the comments are long and he reads slowly, i hope high pitched voices reading your comments in a youtube video doesn't not offend you

[@ziphy_6471]

It's because he doesn't actually have a point he can prove so he does the full proof method of "you see I have painted myself as the chad and you as the beta, thus I have won"

[@KannaDHD]

@@ziphy_6471 you repeated the exact same thing in your own reply section

[@ziphy_6471]

@@KannaDHD I wrote the 2 at the same time :///////////////////

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

because thats who it was written by

[@keric6425]

can i please know how you are getting these MYTHIC tiktok fyp pulls

[@potatomilki]

what is that killer?, the last time ive played dbd i think it was the knight or smthng

[@potatomilki]

also you;re realy good at cenobite wtf

[@hezler4430]

It's vecna, the newest killer. He's pretty cool

[@potatomilki]

@@hezler4430 damn is it the same guy from stranger things???? if true thats fucking sick

[@hezler4430]

@@potatomilki It's dungeons and dragons, so kinda stranger things. The new survivor can also play a banjo

[@alface935]

Can't even speak the Truth anymore without people throwing rocks at You

[@vincenzosama]

The fact this dude made another video saying that he "roasted" anyone who disagree while being kinda a duche just make other people points even more valid. He just should let this go, he just can't accept other people have a point lol.

[@vulcanmemes9770]

What point do they have that isn't bent like a plastic straw

[@ToasterGuy04]

Plastic straws are actually straight! Hope this helps! ❤ ​@@vulcanmemes9770

[@Meridian453]

⁠@@vulcanmemes9770that games that are actively monetized shouldn’t be in a unplayable state? Idk that’s just a thought

[@vulcanmemes9770]

​@@ToasterGuy04nah

[@ToasterGuy04]

@@vulcanmemes9770 yah

[@sharonpoliakov9752]

last time I checked, being cringe and annoying isnt a crime. but you are still are allowed to talk about what you think is cringe and annoying

[@kyperactive]

Based and redpilled my king, dont let the haters get to ya. Also this got onto r/tf2, thats 100% how it blew up

[@KannaDHD]

It's been less than an hour and it's already in r/tf2 lmao keep 'em coming

[@kyperactive]

@@KannaDHD lmao, we are so barrack.

[@KannaDHD]

@@kyperactive it will never be joever until we give up.

[@DaniZeAlmighty]

​@@KannaDHDis that a ultrakill reference?!?!?!?

[@atomistic3101]

Everyone talking about Fixing TF2, but what about Team Fortress Classic? That game has the same bot problem, and hasn't been updated in way longer! Talk about double standards, smh my head...

[@forgottensoul6678]

If there is one thing I would change about my original comment. It would be that I feel like there are very few multiplayer games like TF2 that have stood out and stood the test of time and it's something that we should fight for. I feel like you misinterpreted my definition of "Modern Slop" as being "Stuck in the past" and saying everything that comes out these days sucks when I do not believe this. There are still lots of games that come out that I enjoy. It's just that there are few multiplayer games these days like TF2, and I feel like more people should care about it. (Side note: Showing my youtube profile was uncalled for.)

[@digitaldud3664]

Everyone can see your KZbin profile, and your comments

[@lisatroiani6119]

⁠@@digitaldud3664simply having your profile availble, and someone showing off your profile in front of hundreds of people are two very different things

[@ziphy_6471]

@@digitaldud3664 Why don't I, hypothetically, took a picture of some random dude and also his name to my thousands of subscribes, his face and name are available to millions of people anyway am I right?

[@digitaldud3664]

@@ziphy_6471 Because person that made this original comment is protected behind his computer screen. Enough of the hypotheticals from you people. Also what are the odds of this dude getting his KZbin profile harassed by hundreds of people? It's a fucking drop in the bucket compared to all the people he's made fun of in this video. This guy is right tf2 kids are brain dead.

[@digitaldud3664]

@@ziphy_6471 1: This guy is protected by his computer screen. 2: What is it with stupid internet hypotheticals that have nothing to do with what I just said. Stop making strawman arguments. 3: This guy is a drop in the bucket compared to the sea of dumb tf2 arguments, in this video.

[@ssnofi]

when i was like 10 i watched ur gd videos lmao great to see you come out w two great videos after taking like a 6 year hiatus lol

[@Artisan_SD]

Part of me is genuinely hoping Valve just pulls the plug on tf2's servers at this point. It would be nice to see them fix it but man the community is absolutely awful.

[@fancydoge5611]

The millions of dollars of in game items lost would put valve in an awkward situation, especially when other valve game communities would start to become worried about their items, and trust me, volvo would get some serious shit if csgo's economy collapsed, also the one that makes them billions. So volvo is most likely not going to shut down tf2's servers anytime soon.

[@koulematon7359]

​@@fancydoge5611they could just remake the whole game into tf3, there is no need to keep the Frankenstein alive.

[@fancydoge5611]

Valve kinda gave up on the tf franchise, if they made a tf3 that somehow preserved the original items it would come off as them making a quick buck off a game they just fucked in the ass and abandoned for years, it would probably get review-bombed at launch, not to mention tf2 spent 9 years in development, and some of the things that make tf different are it's extremely deep mechanics, just download the game and open some community rocket jump server and try the easy courses, a bunch of the mechanics from tf are complete accidents as well, name another game with trimping, market gardening, det jumping etc.

[@fancydoge5611]

It's an embarrassment valve let most of tf2 and the community turn into a rancid cesspool, to work on a Nintendo switch 2 and an overwatch 3, the truth is valve is just a philanthropist company trying to make as much money as possible.

[@fancydoge5611]

@@koulematon7359 oh shid forgor to ping, hehe im ping six days later because im bored.

[@gamingmouse2494]

People these days can't handle the truth

[@arghpee]

10:40 LOOK GARY THERE I AM

[@Crocington]

Both video's got valid points, but tbh most of youtube today is just copy the other guy and catch on to the new trend. Every community goes through it even this one (I mean what eles do they have to talk about its not like the game is getting anything eles) personally i keep away from the community side of things and just enjoy the games, it is a shame though that the guy spearheading the movement is replying to a fun video at all with comments like that it just doesnt look great when that guys community also starts attacking the content creator like with so many bigger creators. loved the previouse videos editing keep it up dude! (p.s sorry if this is horribly sentenced dyslexia's a bitch)

[@hezler4430]

"I like being mean because it's funny" "No, this video is not ragebait"

[@KannaDHD]

how he presents the arguments does not invalidate his points, it's Fallacy Fallacy (making the argument that a claim is false because of how its presented or defended, which does not affect the claim itself) Y'all making me look like a meatrider but you guys geniunely need to up notch your standards

[@hezler4430]

@@KannaDHD I think we can both agree the video would have been recieved better if he presented his claims in a silver plate and not horse vomit. I never said that his points were bad, I pointed out how hypocritical he is.

[@jozefuhasis1338]

"I like cake" "No, this steak is not cake" Pick a side

[@KannaDHD]

@@hezler4430 tu quoque Fallacy (making the argument that a claim is false because the claimer is inconsistent in presentation) If how he has presented his arguments were too much to handle then you may wanna go back to ShorkTF2's overly positive content sphere. The video was pretty easy to watch for me, it was aggressive which is GOOD because negativity and unfilteredness is NEEDED for tf2 community (and imo it was pretty funny too)

[@hezler4430]

@@jozefuhasis1338 Look at the thumbnail of the previous video and report back to me if you think it is ragebait. Than watch the video and do the same. Your analogy implies that the steak and cake in this scenario are different, but they are really mixed together into an unholy abomination

[@therealest45]

A band kid? They're more like drama club kids. But yeah, this is all true. I've played tf2 on an off since release, it's pretty much just a huge dumpster fire of people repeating the same jokes and being annoying. I always play with the chat off for a reason.