[TF2] The Complicated Legacy of SunCity

[@ColgateMint]

Neat video, thanks for putting it all together! Filthy grave robber...

[@Ribbons0121R121]

Reduce reuse recycle

[@scelebob4329]

@@Ribbons0121R121 reduce, reuse, ecyce

[@innocuousguy123]

indiana jones would be proud of samwiz

[@TitanosaurusFan75]

Dude is the TF2 Indiana Jones.

[@bionic_pyro7220]

Oh hey Coolgreat How's life

[@wormybobcat3706]

Ironically, SuN was Icarus and Suncity was it's sun. Only they didn't expect they'd get this high.

[@gl4dius4pple75]

So high

[@TheREALLofiat]

Can we get much higher?

[@demoman5864]

Oh oh oh

[@thegetrktshow]

The wax wings began to burn👀

[@jpitt300]

it got too much 'light' to say?

[@demoman5864]

I don’t know how to describe this story other than bitter sweet.

[@vepply]

DEMOMAN, "I Am Feeling As Like All Of The Bones In My Body Are Broken!"

[@louisperry6138]

Drink moment

[@demoman5864]

@@vepply “I feel like every bone in me’ body’s broke. :(“

[@murilomarcosmelo1062]

Holy shit, real demoman @demoman5864?

[@Zukireese]

Good opinion, Demo!

[@goodoldkyogre3829]

Samwiz1 after making this video and going into the Sunny Server: It's showtime (He's going to admin abuse)

[@ByteSizedSun]

Owner abuse in this case :)

[@LuigiMan2401]

He’s to powerful to be left alive

[@5oc788]

Still gonna be funny

[@Octobeann]

in practice he kinda just bullied people as demo without admin

[@canofraidantandroachspray8415]

ah, just like the old times

[@arcticman6919]

I remember being on this server on its last few years. It was a nice time dm'ing and messing around with the secrets and the build maps.

[@bionic_pyro7220]

I was a SuN regular from 2014 until the server shut down, so many great memories and cool people. I spent so much time on this map I legit have a replica of it in Minecraft

[@jakubasjacob1578]

I wish i was there back then

[@userfromspace8952]

@@jakubasjacob1578 me too, bro, me too..

[@Festivekiller]

I remember playing on that replica with you and spitfire lmao that shit was cool

[@TheCamo306]

I have this dumb server to thank for meeting a lot of my online friends, friends I still talk to and hang out with to this day. I remember playing events that were not even made by the server like fashion shows, A friend and I made a Force of Nature parkour course and we put in actual game items as prizes for winning. It was the server that I played on the most, and it is one of the first things I think of whenever I think of TF2.

[@RabbiGoldstein]

Yeah i was there at the parkour "event". was fun

[@scapegoat4]

Yeah, I'm very much the same

[@TheFry123456]

👀 I wonder who hosted those

[@bendover8090]

​@@TheFry123456 Not just you, Bum :)

[@ty-burious3387]

@@TheFry123456 die job glob

[@Ovenmuffinz]

Fun times, I'm glad there is people that still remember {SuN}. It was a good time all of us original members have grown up. Some of us still play together actually. Thanks for letting others continue to have fun.

[@HighlyThoughtful]

I miss the Ole TS crew and the shenanigans. Hope all is well, old man!

[@andypurro2215]

I remember frequently playing in the server, I was quite a regular there, and I had so many treasured memories and made long lasting friends, I did love the bumper cart plugin and would trimp so hard and sometimes commit roadkill

[@Dromayr]

This video reminded me once again about all the amazing times I had refining my skill as a TF2 player and spending my formative years with you guys. Wiggloe, KTM, KittyofCake, Festive, and more are some usernames I remember fondly and I even still have a couple as friends on Steam. SuN was a server I had been referred to by two friends outside of TF2, and we had some of our most fun matches on the SuN servers available. I took a couple-year hiatus from Steam as a whole, and saw at one point that I had been kicked from SuN - likely for inactivity, I presume, as I never had beef with anyone that I can recall - but by the time I realized, the group was inactive. I was surprised to see that SuN has survived in a new form by searching once I watched this video, and I look forward to forming new memories.

[@scapegoat4]

Hahaha, it's been interesting to see people come out of the woodwork and talk about the server. If you have any questions, I was around from 2011-2014 (and beyond, but those are the years I played the most) and know a bit more about the server itself. It was originally started by scissors, rapid_shot and KTM (with tons of others such as wiggloe, killinfreak, ovenmuffins, treetop, castle and so on, but they were the main three): scissors was the "head admin"/ leader type who made a lot of the group posts, rapid was the guy who made the website (as you showed) and KTM worked on the map (with additional input) and plugins. When I joined the map had more recently been changed to sun_trade and it was a blast. I have screenshots of building events when we had a separate server for tfs (I even had moderator perms there), tons of memories... Even more if people start mentioning names heh Another reason the server fell apart was because most of the admin team slowly but surely started holing themselves up in their private TS channel doing whatever (dota, etc), a ton of them got admin perms simply because they were in the clique, as it were (this is what scissors was like, it wasn't that he was never online moreso than he was very secretive). Then there were the actual regulars such as myself, strick, bob, pyroson, bear, taco, ferpy, frank (mr. xylophone) and so on, there are quite a few names I bet I'd be able to remember well after hearing them again, who played on the server itself. That's not to say that the admins were bad people, some of them were great friends of mine back then (to the point where I even bought a nappers respite to match an admin's, p.e to his g.e). It even still has the nametag I put on it all those years ago with it's current owner, hell this video almost made me want to go back and buy it. Regardless of stuff like that however, by the time 2015 rolled around a large percentage of the old admin team was gone with the remaining few only really being active in the background As for the death of the steam group (something you didn't mention here), that was 100% perpetrated by a user called glitchless, a admin/ moderator who had been around as long as I but was more involved with the private chat I mentioned before. On boxing day 2021 he kicked everyone from the steam group except for other admins/ some of his friends, deleted all of the events, comments and other information, changed the image to grimace and changed the name to summit under grimace. Over a decade of server history gone, for absolutely no determinable reason other than he's a piece of shit. That is why it's so hard to find information about it, as most archives aren't very extensive outside of the main page and finding old members that actually remember stuff is hard if you don't have the outreach to bring us out of the woodwork. The steam group has since had it's icon changed back but other than a single KTM comment from 2013 a large chunk of the rest is probably lost forever. I knew I should have taken screenshots of it all back then...

[@bionic_pyro7220]

Behold, the holder of the best pyro loadout on SuN, keeper of the burnt diary.

[@scapegoat4]

​@@bionic_pyro7220 Oh hey what's up bionic lol. Getting that diary because of a sun event is something I don't think I'll ever forget

[@Festivekiller]

I still have the teamspeak archives unlisted on my KZbin channel lmfao of pyroson telling a story and you completely losing your shit

[@Festivekiller]

@@scapegoat4 Frank the hobo* just rewatched the video he told the story lmao

[@scapegoat4]

@@Festivekiller AUUWWWAWH... THERE'S A BASKETBALL PLAYER!!!! Is an audio/ video clip I still have somewhere from those days. Also wassup festive lol

[@Lincoln98702]

I remember the SuN community. I first joined in 2016 and I think I remember seeing you on the server once. Swag that a new server is up now 😎

[@Doc_Barnaky]

I agree, Lincoln.

[@sparkglow]

This video really was a huge surprise to see! Hope you don't mind me rambling. SuN was the first community in TF2 that I ever joined. I'd seen my younger brother playing on it, and I decided that it was something I wanted to give a try as well. This was back in like... 2013/2014, so it was long before SunCity. Sun_trade was the map I spent the most time on and it's the one I most heavily associate with the SuN community. I made so many friends there, some of which i'm still in contact with today and talk with somewhat regularly ( I see you, Bionic! ). I'd ended up creating a small splinter community of my own off of the friends i'd made in SuN so that's why I ended up leaving at some point, as I was more focused on having fun with that than anything else ( Rest in Peace weeniehut_v1 ). I played on Colgate's little known TFS server for quite a time, and I was honored to have his help with plugins with my own community for a little bit (We used the spawn baby doll plugin he'd given us for actual years). I was lucky enough to have met Scissors at one point, and I can confirm that he was incredibly kind and an interesting person to chat with. I think I may have also talked with KTM a handful of times, but it's been so long that I can hardly remember. I also remember other folks like Scapegoat, Fancy, Numbers, Pudding, etc etc. I didn't play on SunCity much. When I did, something felt different. There was an odd aura to the place, and it didn't feel like the same community i'd joined back when it was still on SunTrade. I think it was precisely because of the insane community growth that came with the TFS plugin going public, as when I played, it was an admin's only sorta thing. I was very briefly a moderator for the SuN revived project but the person that was running that honestly treated me and some of the other old head players pretty poorly. That's an experience I wouldn't mind talking about sometime, hahaha. I think that combined with some disingenuous intentions are what actually doomed that iteration of SuN. I know you mentioned in the video that it was because they didn't run City, but they very much so did, and were VERY resistant to any form of input on map cycling or that sort've thing. I'm glad that book is closed now. I owe a lot to SuN. I have such incredible and very fond memories of playing there, and it's something I genuinely cherish. SunCity may not have been my SuN experience, but i'm glad it brought people together just like SunTrade did before it. It's what gave me the chance to build my own niche community, and though I don't talk to many of the people from that era of my life anymore, I still think of them with intense fondness. This server was something very special and i'm glad a portion of it gets to live on. :) Thank you for this. P.S. The best room on the old SuN map was definitely the Valentines room. I would live there if I could.

[@Samwiz1]

Neat. Is there a story behind “weeniehut?” I mentioned in the video Colgate also sent me a collection of old maps, and that one was one of them. Needless to say, me and Zeraph had a field day looking around and wondering what in the Lord’s name made the name be set down as “weeniehut” lmao

[@Zeraph-Zen]

@@Samwiz1 two weenie maps I believe it was

[@sparkglow]

@@Samwiz1 Oh my god, you actually have those maps? Those've been lost to me forever, holy shit! I'm hopping in your discord now so i'd be happy to explain all of this! I'd also do anything to get those weeniehut maps, that's NASA to me.

[@Indominus23]

Hey a video on SUNcity! As a person who used to play on the original server owned by KTM, this was great!

[@ktmods]

It's remarkable that you were able to resurrect this work. Thank you for eulogizing this work. I'm proud of the map and the number of people who remember it fondly.

[@Numbers225]

sam this video is actually beautiful. you've tought me about a touching, and beautiful history of something i'd never have known before. and you've brought back an important part of history. somewhere, i hope those original SuN members see what you've done and smile with the good memories, and knowing that what they made lives on with your help. -cheers, Numbers

[@mysticbailey]

I joined the {SuN} clan back in 2011 shortly after starting to play tf2. I met so many amazing people and I can whole heartedly say I’m a vastly different and better person because of my time there. I was a regular for years, most people probably remember me as ILoveBear or lovebear if you were around on the old maps. Hearing names like KTM, Colgate, Scissors from the video, and scrolling through the comments seeing other old guard mods and admins mentioned is a wave of nostalgia. I loved {SuN} so much, it’s community practically saved me in some of the darkest times of my life. I don’t think any video can really do justice to how special the community was, and there’s so much more to remember before {SuN} was a twinkle in KTMs eye. But I’m glad this server was special enough for others to make a video and memorialize it. However brief a snippet, it makes me happy that people can see what a gem of a community it was.

[@Zhivago234]

Good video, was in SuN when it was still NST and USA. Most of the old heads keep in touch from time to time ,but really glad to see a lot of the people that joined after us made it a place for themselves as well.

[@digojez]

this story is very heartwarming and tragic, good things must come to an end afterall.

[@CjJello]

I loved playing on SunCity. I think I only got in during it's later years but when I noticed the server had stopped running, I was really sad. I'd use the sandbox to make go-kart tracks for the ride-able taunts like the bumper car, and then race people on them. Always had a blast, as long as no one was camping the sandbox area of course

[@blurrby5578]

I PLAYED ON THIS MAP ALL DAY , I’m so glad that you are reviving it .

[@GabedalfTheWhite]

So many communities go this way and it's bittersweet. Happened to me 3 times now.. A touching story regardless

[@jonahc2807]

Even as something as unassuming as a TF2 map, I'm glad more people are taking up archiving internet history.

[@BobOrSomething_]

Man I remember back in the day booting up SuN in 2011/2012-? lot of memories, hunting for the secret rooms and so on. Gotta admit suncity wasn't my favorite when it first came out but it definitely grew on me, glad someone could bring the SuN back. It's also honestly a pretty wild thing hearing things you've seen and lived through told back as history, guess I really am getting old.

[@Ipodmini]

Holy shit didn't expect to find you here bob. This server was something else, and I miss it dearly. Years ago its where I spent a lot of my time on TF2. Damn seeing your name hits me with a wave of memories...

[@TheREALLofiat]

This was strangely somewhat emotional and nostalgic in a way I can't put my finger on.

[@thezombiefan777]

This reminds me of an old server I used to play on, the map was constantly LoZ: Clocktower, and some of my most comforting memories were made on there. It’s now an afk/weapon leveling map completely themed around Pokémon and it had none of the charm it used to.

[@GhoulSlaying]

It's certainly interesting to see that someone with a following made a video about SuN after all these years. When I first joined the TF2 server in 2011(shortly before it was called SuN and a few years before KTM made TFS I'd reckon) it was unlike any sort of gaming experience that you could find--even still to this day. The totally unique events and ARG's (that often included moving a HL2 rollermine with +use or shooting a hidden speech bubble node), the mysterious nature of Scissors and the server while he ran it, the fact that he and so many others gave away authentically valuable items as rewards, the people who would occasionally join to trade thinking it was a simple trade server, and of course the other regulars from this time, some I see in the comments, many of the others I have yet to see mentioned. It feels like there was always some drama back then, but I managed to steer clear of most of it by staying out of the teamspeak and forums. Because of that, however, I still have no clue what really happened to cause that version of SuN to die. I was young at the time and a lot of the details are hazy, but I just wanted to share what my (and I'd think at least a handful of others') experience of the server was like in the era prior to TFS and SunCity.

[@TheWildcat_YT]

I don't have experience with the old server but I am really happy that you managed to save it and run it yourself. Please if you ever stop running it share the files with others so it isn't lost a second time. Thank you for preserving history. I will test your server when I get back to my desktop once I am not sick with covid anymore.

[@9onetwo223]

I just discovered that this server had been rebooted, and I believe me when I say it has absolutely made my day. I have such fond memories of playing and goofing about on this server, and it's been an absolute joy to revisit every bit of the map- even more so to reconnect with the old friends I had there. Feels like nothing ever changed. Genuinely, thank you for doing this. I'm absolutely ecstatic to be playing here again.

[@Hollow98_]

This map, thanks to your server has helped with my depression Thank you for the memories

[@P-lywood]

Glad to see these plugins again! I remember playing on sun a few years ago and getting enough for a beacon before it died, cool to see this up now.

[@ThePandaBamboo]

i remember colgate. he was a really fun mod, i even befriended some of the new mods that were there too. granted i dont talk to them anymore. its cool to see this come back, a nice little peice of history :)

[@Couriday]

Weird hearing a vid mention BatFoxKid, been years since I had him around as about the only technical expert back when I (poorly) ran an FF2 server. He knows his stuff, neat to hear he's still around doing good work out there.

[@Festivekiller]

Can't Believe I would take down a trip to nostalgia lane through the classic TF2 Documentary experience on a server that I myself was apart of! The feeling is so indescribable, Once I saw my name on the panel board at 4:52 I geeked out like no other haha, Thank you so much for making this video as it was a crazy rollercoaster journey that I still look back to and smile on to this day

[@greggames8934]

Thank you Sam this is my child hood server and you have brought it back it makes me happy to see it again, I hope it is in its prim soon I was there on the last day it was sad ngl

[@justlinx5371]

Hey, hey, Mr. Wizzle is back and we're on another field trip! Keep up the good work! And continue to keep your head afloat in these trying times, pal.

[@phoenixdemarino1714]

I'm calling to talk to you about your- Bring Back Bigcity

[@Iciclefairy]

Used to be on the SuN servers back in TF2's glory days, Thank you for reviving them!

[@imlegos2153]

I remember playing on their servers; Mainly their sandbox server which ran a map that was just the spawns from SunCity, but just in a large flat grass area with a concrete space with the compass between the spawns. It was an enjoyable time, I remember trying to make some attempt at rebuilding 2Fort, and I'd always play engie to hide a dispenser inside a locker prop to function as a resupply.

[@finding_mp3]

Trade_SunCity lore is deep

[@Zanophane_Gaming]

Samwiz revives an amazing map and legacy and continues to troll his community like he did before.

[@firegunner260]

Touching story, thanks for bringing it to us all

[@fortysvideoarchive]

Holy shot I've heard of this map as if it were some Cryptic legend told to friendlys to keep them out comp

[@Bagel_Man]

At this point I'm glad someone did a video on this old community I miss it

[@RabbiGoldstein]

ooh yeah i remeber going to the prop area, spawning the biggest prop there was and using the eurka effect to telleport to spawn and drag the prop into spawn it getting everyone who respawns stuck

[@danke_8642]

This reminds me of one already forgotten map called Manor of Fun, it also had wierd places & secrets along with some minigames. However, this one seems far more complex.

[@durxg]

Such a pleasant community, i'm happy to see it's back in it's own glory again

[@orangy57]

no way i was just talking about this map 2 weeks ago, I thought Red Sun Over Paradise was sun city and everyone got confused when I talked about the city map with shipping containers. Good times playing sniper on this map

[@Zeraph-Zen]

Go ahead, find and grab the strength powerup. I dare you.

[@bacongamerepic]

Omg hi zeraph

[@thepolishtech1552]

Big props for helping sam out with the resurrection of this server

[@CallyLovesKirby]

I miss my haste :(

[@Frappe3621]

Oh hi Zeraph (I will never forgive you for removing haste and regen)

[@Zeraph-Zen]

To the few who read this, soon:tm: :)

[@Doc_Barnaky]

Heya, Samwiz1. It's really good to see what you've done with the server. I used to be moderator in this place, was named IrRock. I don't like to talk too long about {SuN} since my time there was complicated to say the least. The player base was really toxic, I came on very often to hear regulars calling people slurs and very nasty things and some staff members enabled this behavior since it's online trash talk but it was still extremely disgusting. I was much younger then and was just as nasty as the people who played regularly, heck I got banned twice though I had both bans revoked shortly after and even became a mod for a second time but I do not miss any of it. To end this on a more positive note, the community playing today seems much nicer and not nearly as toxic which is great, once again you've done a great job man. I wish you and your server the best.

[@CptDoot]

6:28 Scissors? i think i remember that name from a fishtank vid, i think it was his april fools one

[@ebutf2]

Minecraft Skyblock Servers but in TF2

[@Iwidelyoutliveeverything]

now we gotta dig up the baddevil maps

[@RabbiGoldstein]

No, Frostbyte

[@victortayupe8794]

Remember playing in this server mostly on the sandbox, I remember making a base with other people and trying to defend it from other people getting in, it was just dumb fun, never knew it has this deep lore

[@tomlee29124]

first video of yours ive watched, very good! gunna join the server soon!

[@Borfsucc]

2014 regular here, I met a crud-load of friends there, those were the days :)

[@xtSUN8IK4]

i remember playing on the {SuN} servers in like 2013 or 2014, with the map that had both spawns facing each other in a huge box and a couple doors that lead to the outside, i'd play as sniper in the far areas of the box and try outsniping people, good times

[@aquariusdog6]

This video actually made me cry tears of joy

[@NoSkillJustTerrible]

im glad sam is our unofficial tf2 historian, wouldnt have anybody else

[@wesleyjones4036]

This was the first couminity server I ever played on, id forgotten the name but remember the map and the sheer scale of it

[@CptJack-ws8nz]

hearing the story of the server reminds me of a simiular server i used to play on that was named MSTR

[@dracobellator1164]

ah the sweet taste of nostalgic victory.

[@erochicken]

Neat little internet story but doubt I’ll touch it but I do love stories like this

[@Bagel_Man]

I remember playing on this server and made really good friends with most of the staff and would play everyday. May dazautogunz rest in Pease.

[@Bagel_Man]

Bob frank bolt castle pyroson and fancy if you're out there it's ferpy.l well am now

[@Festivekiller]

Damn what’s up ferpy lmao

[@Bagel_Man]

@@Festivekiller chilling festive hbu plus looking for takny.

[@Festivekiller]

@@Bagel_Man holy shit lmfao I haven’t heard from takny or zipper for eons

[@Bagel_Man]

@@Festivekiller dam worth a try ik bolt hasn't seen them either I saw em on toontown rewritten but the blocked me do you still use your old SuN steam?

[@yourlocalasleeponioperativ4095]

“A little bit of grave robbing” >one of modders has Lappland as their pfp Sounds about right

[@Hunterofyeets]

This was surprising sweet.

[@MattNotFat]

Everytime you think you've seen everything TF2 and it's community has to offer, drops this note of history out of nowhere. I look at this server and its history and think back to the closing down of Toontown. It just gives me a similar feeling.

[@dingo8845]

I’m not surprised that the server is already full

[@morshu5477]

legacy goes on...

[@proxygen904]

I remember making a silly little general store that sold props and roleplaying with people "buying" the products. They'd donate 20 bucks to own a rusty bucket or a coffee machine. Good times.

[@awsomepokemon1060]

7:14 old guard? like in the book scythe?

[@nuggers2573]

today i learned that samwiz's profile pic is actually a yellow fez and not a block of cheese, also cant wait to mug people.

[@benturtl9076]

This is pretty cool

[@Anon_Omis]

It gives me a real bitter sweet feeling, hearing the story of this map and community. Doubly so since I never had anything like that in my life. Somehow, after playing videoganes for almost 2 decades, I haven't made one long standing friendship out of it. I guess the closes I had was a gmod TTT server I frequented for a short while, which I honestly forgot about until just now.

[@bloltzmalone3514]

SunCity was Summit Under Nothing's 9th Symphony

[@champagnesupernova1839]

so you're running a museum

[@luuc4sflp]

Average Zeraph W

[@DrStxche]

SuN was the first community and community server I was ever apart of back when I started in 2017 Man, do I remember the good times… It feels weird that I can remember so easily simple things I did in the server I had so much cash in my bank lol The build mechanic was amazing. I met so many cool people When occasional admins were online the mini-games they hosted were fun as hell I won a Bill’s Hat in this server, and I still have it to this day. My username used to be Sinister and pain_stachio I’m still in the steam group too lol but it hasn’t been active in a while Oh the good times… If I ever go back to tf2, I gotta check out your hosted server!

[@charlesaquiler1725]

When Sundowner hears "suncity" be like:

[@samnosce1080]

2:00 "I should promote mugging as a lifestyle" That's not mugging that what mercenaries and hit men do.

[@mr.zman8]

that's a great image at 8:00 truly a work of art

[@maemsy]

Ima have to check out this sun city. Reminds me of Redsun

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

1:40 oh, I have one of those in my city!!! Unfortunately, I cannot tell you its purpose, as it seems to serve none.

[@rancorious7785]

Kino as always.

[@700-m6w]

The build mode is just engineer camping simulator 2022

[@walkaholicisdead]

this looks like darkrp and i love it

[@WonkOfWonkyness]

The sun is rising once again!

[@kennethgoloski3507]

I just screamed when i saw this

[@qbertking1910]

Sam, my lawn mower, where is it

[@GotchunUmbra]

I'm back.

[@qbertking1910]

@@GotchunUmbra fake

[@GotchunUmbra]

@@qbertking1910 real 👍

[@melissaworthington2478]

Where is it

[@Festivex1]

cool

[@dispensergoinup]

Sam revives lost media

[@goldeneye1689]

Why does the map remind me of an old TF2 memory i have

[@unpotatoedsalmon]

Ah I was a member of sun for the longest time

[@Gibus_Priest_Funny]

IT IS I THE GIMBUS GUY. hello again

[@asdasf8817]

Imagine if this became a real life city

[@derpfrancis]

It's nice to see an old community that was founded on good vibes and chill times still being kept alive by some folks. Lord knows we TF2 players need a break once in a while from what's become of Casual and the endless hoards of robots in community MvM events

[@_.-.]

9:00 Peanut brain

[@alehshan0714]

wholesome

[@compadrecacodemon7455]

The building that you have no idea what it is looks to be made of girders, so it’s probs a building under construction. Maybe you could have a community event later that is paying for the construction of the building, and then it is finally complete?

[@psltmtir]

Seconded

[@Zeraph-Zen]

The building is not incomplete, as it is not just girders. It has walls and such

[@painful_fish3083]

It seems to be down considering it’s gone from my favorites list