[TF2] What if each Class could swap their Secondary?

[@davidcaceres9184]

People are forgetting the power of the wrangler on any non engineer class You can control literally nothing and waste the space, such a good item

[@bombsdagame2842]

ultimate friendly loadout

[@davidcaceres9184]

Flare gun on scout so he can A. Better long range damage, pistol is more medium range B. Fire damage for sun on a stick crits C. Force-a-nature combo

[@schg12]

Sun on a stick play makes this superior

[@KeplerFNAF]

I feel like Tide Turner or Sticky Jumper on spy could lead to some very funny backstabs

[@jesusalvarado7927]

good idea

[@dudesayshi2191]

That's a really funky spy idea let's call it the most hated spy (since this spy focuses solely on backstabs ergo not helping his. Team)

[@glden_I]

I imagined spy charging at someone while screaming "AAAUGHHH" With their knife out

[@Just_a_Dragon69]

New title of the video: why i give stickies to every single class in TF2

[@LPO-py7zg]

spy with shotgun is just classic teamfortress

[@potatoweaver4116]

Medic with shotgun is also just classic team fortress

[@someperson7491]

everything is classic team fortress no, wait EVERYTHING IS TEAM FORTRESS

[@NXTangl]

​@@potatoweaver4116Then again, TFC medic is basically TF2 scout if he had a nailgun instead of a pistol and could give people AIDS instead of marked for death. I don't think many people were healing much with TFC medic.

[@filelost9194]

I think you really overlooked the Dalokohs Bar. A 100 HP heal and 50 extra maximum HP would be really powerful on classes such as Scout and Soldier, who could massively benefit from that health increase.

[@Jhopmemes]

Spy sapper replacement!

[@someperson7491]

second banana would be crazy on soldier full heal literally whenever

[@lpsp442]

​@@someperson7491 Maybe, if you could find a safe place on the map to "pit-stop" and eat up. You could rocket jump there, nom yer banana and jump back out. But if that spot isn't there, I'd be worried about Soldier getting killed while he's defencelessly eating.

[@regalblade8171]

​@@lpsp442if Heavy can find spots to nom nom safely, soldier def can

[@lpsp442]

​@@regalblade8171 Ah, but Heavy has max 300 health (meaning he can be on 100 HP and still get full value from eating the SB), and he doesn't have to blast his own health to get from A to B. It's a bit of a dynamic difference. In the fullness of it all, Heavy's lunchboxes will likely always be for the benefit of his teammates, because that healing is so much quicker. Soldier's Banners are fundamentall stronger items, more broadly useable across all classes.

[@imwithmilk8162]

Never have i ever seen a player underestimate the power of stickies and the medigun SO hard, why in the world would scout need a second worse scattergun when the hard answer to his hard counters is RIGHT there, Nearly EVERY class with stickies would be better than demo as most have better direct combat primarys than demo which is his biggest weakness

[@potatoweaver4116]

give Demoman the Crit-a-Cola, now he can spam crit pipes on command and one shot light classes. The Pistol would honestly be pretty decent on Demo too, but the Crit-a-Cola in particular would be super good.

[@LinteirSomeZebra]

*[Glock Demoman]*

[@Frosty-ud7fv]

Medi gun on heavy is really good. Latching on to ANY other class speeds you up to their speed. Imagine.

[@lpsp442]

Trouble is, can Heavy detect who on his team is injured and run rapidly to help them any time? Without Medics in-built injury sensor or his mobility, Heavy is stuck on pocket duty, which for such a big target is very limiting. He also lacks the Ubersaw or Crossbow for easy support and synergy, and switching to the Minigun is just too taxing to pull off simultaneously with healing. I think Tomislav + Quick Fix + GRU/EN could work well as a combo, and would love to see this actually tested, but that's about it.

[@Frosty-ud7fv]

@lpsp442 I'm not focusing on the healing part, just the fact heavy can lock onto a scout and get to the front lines so dam fast

[@lpsp442]

​@@Frosty-ud7fv That's cool, hitching a ride with friendly Scouts (and Sollies with Quick Fix) is no doubt fun, plus it overheals a teammate in the process - but as a Heavy, I would choose the independence of a Sticky Bomb Launcher or Assault Shield as a burst move option. Since detonating/shield charging is the same button as spin-up, there's a perfect elegant synergy to how these items catapult you gun-at-the-ready into the enemy.

[@Frosty-ud7fv]

@lpsp442 I guess, I was trying to avoid the sticky bombs as that's a boring answer. I personally think having rev up and charge would be really bad, what if I Rev up to jump around a corner and just slam into a wall lol

[@lpsp442]

​@@Frosty-ud7fv Stickies may be the *overall* best secondary in the game, but Sniper Rifles are the overall best primary, and they're still not recommendable to all classes or game circumstances. Think of "best" in such abstract terms and it's easy to see why they aren't overplayed, and thus not a problem for those classes which really gain from them (ie not Medics or Soldiers). As for corner-revving - well, just hop around and *IIIYYAAAAARGH!!!!* directly at them instead. You'll whip down the corridor and shield bash them, stunning them before they can open fire and them just point-blank destroy them with the MG. Take the Tideturner for the best of both worlds, performing an insane multi-turn shield rev of juggernautian proportions.

[@curvingfyre6810]

Scout with the cleaner's carbine could go crazy. It's poor damage for sniper's SMG, when it's his only tool for closer range, but scout's always ready to deal with a threat at that range. Since it doesn't need to be his only relevant tool in any given fight, and because he's always gonna be at around that range, getting the 100 points of damage will be stupid easy just from poking at enemy crowds. This is essentially an alright pistol with a much larger mag, AND the crit a cola, AND no damage-vulnerable downside. And let's not get started on the normal SMG being an absolute fucking beast with damage if you can only survive long enough to use it. DIRECT upgrade to the stock pistol. Then the back shields, not all of them would be that big a deal, but the danger shield puts him out of the light class threshold, which can be HUGE. And let's not even begin to mention what he could do with jarate... Imagine not needing your team to capitalise on alllll that sweet damage.

[@curvingfyre6810]

Actually, heavy would benefit a fair amount from sniper's secondaries as well. SMGs are just a short to mid range damage dealer, simple sidegrade from shotguns. But... the razorback hard counters spies. HARD counters spies. On sniper, it's mostly just a crutch against situational awareness, since you still have to fight the spy at close range without a proper kit to do so, but on heavy... well, you're always ready to fight up close as heavy. Imagine being straight up spy proof as a heavy. I couldn't even imagine being that busted.

[@thesmm2311]

@@curvingfyre6810 You do have to sacrifice your sandwich for the razorback. But it's a sacrifice some people would take

[@curvingfyre6810]

@@thesmm2311 Me. I would take that sacrifice. I know how to camp health packs, defend engineer nests, and stay with the medic.

[@benjaminu5417]

My first thought was-Bonk on medic then I remembered that you would be giving up the medi-gun

[@pixart_king]

Prime medic gaming. Run arround with bonk and shoot everyone with the stock crusaders crossbow

[@salt-d2032]

a class with regeneration getting on demand invincibility to regenerate with

[@benjaminu5417]

@@pixart_king well umm actually the cross bow isn’t a stock weapon 🤓

[@davidcaceres9184]

Battle medic gaming

[@helixsol7171]

Battle Medic! Battle Medic! Battle Medic! Battle Medic!

[@Jhopmemes]

Sticky jumper heavy. Need I say more?

[@aaronmulticuenta]

Yes cause you forgot about sticky jumper on sniper

[@da_wraith3472]

sniper with scotish resistance could set up traps in random corners for the flanking scouts and spies

[@GregenOfficial]

Ah yes, for the VERY AWARE Sniper who would hardly scope in so he can flick back to set off the trap

[@Koyu_Ruh]

So the Bazaar Bargain Sniper?

[@davidcaceres9184]

Heavy with flares and huo long heater

[@thedastardlylizard5944]

You fail to realize the effect an invisible medigun spy would have on enemies looking for 1v1s.

[@pugboigamer9591]

Direct hit + mad milk could give you an even better version of the black box Air strike with the jetpack could increase the amount of rockets he uses for bombing, then jetpacking out allowing for an even better damage potential with this same idea applying with the sticky jumper Pyro with the sticky jumper could really lay out some extra flanks compared to the detonator or jetpack, acting as a best of both worlds Quckiebomb launcher for scout would be really good as it can pair better with his style Heavy with the sticky jumper could give him extra mobility, while he uses the fists of steel during the flight to negate some of the damage, and maybe revving mid air with the brass beast to drop down like a shock trooper then get out soon after Also having a frontier justice battle engi with the mad milk could be devastating, or a widowmaker jarate one. Huntsman sniper with the family business for quick bursts of damage, or mad milk instead for sustain Sniper with the short circuit would also allow him to get rid of a major weakness Sniper using the buff banner could charge it up then go in with the bushwacka Spy could also use the darwin's danger shield to fuck over pyros Stickies would still be a good choice for being able to set up a sticky nest with the scottish resistence & detonate them while only uncloaking for a brief moment.

[@Newtothis42]

Gun spy with the danger shield sounds like a dream

[@pugboigamer9591]

@@Newtothis42 exactly!

[@KrabKing48]

The moral of the story being that the sticky bomb launcher is overpowered :)

[@GregenOfficial]

Correct!

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

8:00 not to mention the fire resist would be absolutely trollish against other pyros 17:50 actually the revolver is his secondary

[@AhmedEx1.]

Medic with a different secondary would simply be a better battle engi He is faster, can regen passively (and has items that can passively regen) and would have either offensive or supportive options 1-battle medic: built purely for offense: solemn vow- stock shotgun- blutsuager Blutsauger is good up close for finishing enemies while closing in, and the shotgun is good to finish off enemies farther away 2- support medic: crossbow- jarate- solemn vow This would play similarly to the current medic playstyle of sticking close to your teammates or pockets, healing with crossbow and providing a damage buff with jarate, solemn vow for picking targets and making decisions 3- Skinny heavy: tide turner(or any shield, really)- blutsauger- solemn vow While the shield charge wouldnt be useful for other classes other than pyro and heavy, it would simply be busted on a medic who knows how to use a syringe gun. Those things have a quite high dps, it would be deadly if you manage to shield bash someone and get a mini/crit syringe off on someone and run away with very decent speed and health regen, combined with the shield being able to remove debuffs when used. Amputator is a curious case, it should be better because it is the 2nd way the medic can heal others (we dont count lunchboxes) but i still dont see a point in using it unless you are planning to exclusively sit in the backlines, but the health regen is nice i guess?

[@MajorKitty]

Your definetly not wrong about the health regen and the extra movespeed Medic has but even without leveled sentries a Medic which replaces his Medi-gun with a shotgun isn't going to be as effective as a Gunslinger engi who can build dispensers to heal people, teli's to take teamates from spawn and mini's to force enemies to have to shoot at 2 targets instead of just 1.

[@lpsp442]

Battle Engie is still Engie mah dood, his ability to slap down a Mini Sentry, Dispensor and Teles is half the meat of his appeal. That he can fight effectively is the other half - Medic may be a bit better (not sure if any of his primaries actually shape up to the Widowmaker as a pure damage dealer) but losing this aspect puts him at a disadvantage.

[@davidcaceres9184]

Spy with a jetpack Bottom text

[@NoBloons]

Conch Scout. Heal on hits. Gain inceased speed when using. Pasive healing. And if the Wrap Assassin bleed triggers the healing? Hoo boy. Crit-a-Cola soldier He talked about jarate for mini crits, but why aim a jar of piss when you can jug an energy drink?

[@LinteirSomeZebra]

Agreed! *Crit-a-Cola* will break balance as the Secondary on probably every class. Even if you would receive minicrits during the effect, you would be able to cast them basically for free since you don't need to charge anything like with *Cleaner's Carabine* or *Buff Banner* or rely on regioned effect of *Jarate.* * On *Soldier:* 1-2 Rockets in the crowd can be enough: if you are full HP, you wouldn't probably die fast enough before your enemies evaporate * On *Pyro:* It's mini-Phlog but you can reflect * On *Demo:* Almost like with soldier but you need to aim (lol) * On *Heavy:* Like *Buffalo Steak Sandvich* but for minigun, maybe even Tomislav for speed. Like *KGB + Tomislav* gimmick but you don't even need to risk of switching weapons * On *Engineer:* On "Sentry Engie" - probably not that good (if I remember correctly personal buffs apply to sentries only if they are spells and crumpkins) but can maybe help of defending your nest, though you might instadie yourself However, on "Battle Engie", or even with *Widowmaker* it would be hot. The famous *Kritzkrieg + Widowmaker* but you don't use Medic * On *Medic:* Well, if you commit to "Battle Medic", it would be good with Syringe-guns: they are pretty strong and this way will be even deadlier On "Semi-battle Medic" with *Crossbow* and *Amputator* it might let you oneshot long range targets which is a little bit funny * On *Sniper:* With Rifles can be good since you don't risk much anyway, so it's just more damage on bodyshots With Bow however I think I would prefer *Jarate* or *Carabine* for gimmick gameplay instead of risking of self-minicrits - Bow reloads waaay too slowly for this * On *Spy:* Yes, probably not this much effective, but maybe will work on "Very aggressive Gunspy" gimmick

[@NoBloons]

@@LinteirSomeZebra one last thing. The Bushwacka + Crit-a-cola on sniper = melee god

[@LinteirSomeZebra]

@@NoBloons I'd say for Sniper it's not that optimal to hang self-minicrits on him while he already has more safe option of Carabine which charges very fast (just 100 damage for pea-shooting on medium range).

[@NoBloons]

@@LinteirSomeZebra correct but an infinite ammo almost instant source that doesnt require aiming at all (unlike both jarate and carbine) can be useful for lower skilled snipers

[@LinteirSomeZebra]

@@NoBloons Well I mean at full HP withouth self-minicrits you are usually a 2-shot target. With minicrits - it's more like a 1-shot target. But since *Bushwacka* is a melee weapon you might be obliterated much quicker. Unlike in Soldier or Pyro examples where you don't have to be point-blank and hit one no so reliable swing. With Sniper rifles or even with Bow it's more consistent. Even if you might get one kill with a Bushwacka - it might work in situations where you are basically safe because either the enemy or enemies can't oneshot you under minicrits for some reason or can't aim. But the later thing is out of categories because it's not fair to judge the strat if enemy can't hit you because of "skill issue".

[@sirpootsman1048]

scout and panic attack quick switching

[@aaronmulticuenta]

Imagine, doble panick atack, basicaly a doble shot rate, doble clip size panick atack

[@NightmareLyra]

Sticky Jumper as Heavy would be my dream loadout, truly death from above with very little way of countering it

[@ThefifthBishopofGord]

I can’t help but imagine scouts messing with people by throwing gas passers.

[@Stefan_Serb]

Now we wait for the melee weapons and probably we will never get one of the PDA cuz only Engineer and Spy have a PDA

[@ashtongiertz8728]

They each have 2 PDAs

[@Stefan_Serb]

@ashtongiertz8728 yeah but would you watch a video about 2 weapons (no hate)

[@Penguin-u4j]

The engineer gunslinger would overwrite almost every melee weapon because free health and spend the metals if there's time

[@CouchFunny-he6tf]

Ok but seriously this is a good video idea nice job on this video

[@Matt-md5yt]

sweet, I landed on a randomizer server the other day and it was crazy. one load out was a medic with Liberty launcher, chargin' targe and I think highlander. crazy stuff

[@someguycalledgoober155]

I think with the Heavy weapon swap with Pyro's, he could use the Heater with the Flare Guns to get the bonus damage. Medic could work with the Banners, just change his focus to building damage and healing. If tweaked to account for it, you could have the Quick Fix boost your speed when the Banner's full, Ubersaw and Vita Saw would also help with gaining/keeping Rage. Especially the Ubersaw, you know the Ubersaw Medics are *insane*. Editing this in: Bonk would probably also be really great on Spy, because you could pair it with the Kunai and Dead Ringer and just never die. There's also Crit-Cola, because Mini Crits on a class that can go invisible... Yeah. Especially if the drinks don't break disguise, Enforcer would be bonkers. For the pistols the fact he'd be-able to heal himself with the Pretty Boy, the Winger helps with mobility. Even if the latter would by much. Mad Milk lets him play support, he can turn invisible, go behind the enemy team and disguise himself, then when your team's about to push surprise everyone with Milk so your team can get healed while fighting them. Flying Guillotine gives Spy a damage over time effect, which he could just throw this out, go invisible, and not explain anything. I feel like the things that Scout get overlap well with Spy's playstyle.

[@dovakhiinmaster2967]

mad milk on heavy leaves him with team support and healing, even though he can't heal outside of the fight.

[@monshd_yt]

Now imagine the MvM side of this, this gonna be longer if it’s MvM

[@potatoweaver4116]

Mad Milk or Jarate might be good on Spy. He could throw out a Mad Milk or Jarate and then just hide and do it again whenever it recharges. I think It would be a nice support secondary to replace the sapper that could work well with his ability to cloak.

[@T-P-M_405]

Ok hear me out: give demo heavys secondarys, he can use ether shotguns, which gives him a hitscan weapon, or a sandvich, with is really good for obvious reasons

[@tugazu]

Stickys can do a lot more than just mid to close range spam, you can do traps, complete area denial with scottish on sniper and engi, spawncamp as scout, have long range damage as scout, pyro andheavy with quickie. The ability to set up a trap and switch to your primary and do your normal things with a instakill option shouldn't be understated. And another point for using stickies as a scout would be the fact that demo gets pretty hindered from his mobility for sticky spam. Also jumper for improved mobility for pyro, heavy engi sniper spy

[@rainbowfrog1239]

I feel like an underrated pick for soldier is heavy's secondaries. He gets to keep his shotguns, and the healing from the banana or the extra health from the dalokohs bar could really help him with how much self damage he's taking.

[@paperclipps551]

I would actualy chose Heavy's secondaries for Sniper. You still get access to shotguns but you cant expect a sniper to always be working with their team, so the sandvich and other lunchbox items over the banners would suit a more solitary playstyle, even if they lack any passive plus sides

[@Hugonche29]

can we quickly imagine the horror a pyro with the buff banner and the phlog would be? constant crits

[@Christian-o8t9n]

3:30 I got PTSD flashbacks from quad-shotgun builds in Armored Core VI. 😨

[@geoshark12]

12:26 Huo-Long Heater gets a 25% damage bonus on burning players flare gun is fire on demand

[@myToasterDied]

sticky jumper + the air strike would be really funny

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

Shotgun SMG Medic! An actually surprisingly scary combo, as engineer is actually alright at combat, so imagine that with slightly more HP, speed, a bit of health regen, and long range consistency (the SMG is more precise than the pistol). If you still want to heal team mates, I guess there's the Amputator.

[@zfilms4858]

Fun fact, spy has a Shotgun in TFC. So a Shotgun is something spy **can** use

[@radiantmocha]

Someone should totally make a community server with these concepts. I'd love to see how some of these perform in action.

[@someguycalledgoober155]

I just had a thought over the weekish this was posted. Spy would benefit from the Lunch Box items, not the Sandvich or the Banana, but the Chocolate Bar and Steak. Chocolate Bar would pair with the Kunai to make an even *more* annoying set, cause he could eat it to gain more health from a stab. Assuming it doesn't break disguise, he could eat it, sneak up on a heavy, stab him and basically get 300hp. Steak would work with any knife really, it's two main downsides are that you can only use Melee and you take more damage from everything... Doesn't mean much when you're the melee class that dies to basically everything.

[@mr_Hunterman]

The Cleaners carbine on a different class would be a lot of fun

[@JKDontJudgeMe]

Booties + Gun Boat + Caber must be the best combination for Demo

[@EditorDW]

If you’re gonna do a Pyro with any of the shields, you’re gonna have to count for airblast that being Pyro cannot charge when they have their primary out and can only charge when they have their melee out

[@karal_the_crazy]

Give heavy any shield. It would improve mobility and let you dodge fire while spun up. It would also give damage resistance, and it would let him do massive damage with his melee weapons.

[@O52T]

When you want to heal your sentry from a distance and for better damage:metal ratio but spy keeps sapping it so you bring a second shotgun:

[@lunar64-io7wz]

medic was originally going to have a smg but was swapped out for syringes so even if it is by far a far worse loadout it would be interesting to see how medic was going to be

[@Volzecium]

Spy with the sticky bomb launcher would be actual cancer to fight, imagine a 2 spies spawn camping your whole team.

[@TheManDude]

Scout with Medi-gun = sentient Crusader’s Crossbow bolt.

[@wadcaexcalibura1054]

One small problem with heavy having the detonator: heavy has a 40% reduction if i remember correctly so it wouldnt work as well ( it might've been only when revved up, i don't really remember)

[@TheEnchatedIronaxienAxeth]

Ok, hear me out. . . Engineer with Razorback.

[@I_LOVE_SEGABASSFISHING]

Give engineer the medigun so he could become the ultimate support class

[@jaidynodom707]

Give scout any of the lunchbox items and you’ve unleashed hell upon tf2. Especially the buffalo steak. It would be the crit a cola but better.

[@yyhhttcccyyhhttccc6694]

in the thumbnail medic looks like hes about to commit a warcrime

[@PureGoldNeverCorrodes]

8:10 the weakness might be not being able to Airblast without also Charging/Detonating.

[@GregenOfficial]

Let's just assume there would be a new hotkey for it

[@MajorKitty]

I feel like one you glossed over is the Steath Medic or pretty much Spy with a Medi-gun Think of it with spy's weapons he has the potential to do Medics job much better as he can also use his disguise kit and invis watches to become extremely hard to finish off before he builds uber and can punish enemies with his knifes and revolver who assume your a free kill, why play as a Stealth class when you can as a Medic who can midigate one of Medic's biggest downsides which is that often times when your pocket dies your pretty much going to get hard focused but with Spy's kit you can get away scot free by cloaking away or using the dead ringer to face tank.

[@shrimp258]

Omg heavy with banners is terrifying Lets just remove damage falloff on a cart humping heavy Or make him immune to headshots plus damage reduction with 20 bonus health making him live fully charged sniper headshots when overhealed or force them to charge since they no longer have the luxury of hitting 2 quick scopes Honestly you severely downplayed how disgusting 430 EHP heavy is especially if he’s humping the cart

[@RGIlerio]

I'm surprised at how overlooked the some weapons are in this video, I feel like Soldier and Heavy would benefit more from weapons like the Mad Milk since sustain is a pretty major weak point for both classes. And the Mediguns would provide a lot of team support without sacrificing damage, which is the main drawback of Medic, and the reason I'd argue people don't play Medic.

[@uningenious]

Charge N' Targe on literally every class. Passive 50% fire resistance, and 30% explosive resistance, and a mobility ability via charging, even if it would be mainly only moving forward/straight. Would be god-tier on rollouts.

[@Random0king-tw5pn]

Scout with the short circuit Soldier with the sandvich Pyro with "milk" Demo with a shotgun Heavy with a shield Engi with the sticky jumper Sniper with the jetpack Medic with "milk" Spy with the uhhhhhh....

[@fann3447]

Forget about the amputator on medic? I think family business with amputator and crusader has genuine viability on cart modes using the cart to push you while using aoe healing with amputator

[@DoctorSpacebar]

Medic might like the Heavy's secondaries. You get a support option with the Sandvich or a damage option with the Shotgun!

[@sandwich9509]

imagine a pybro running around with a medigun

[@Odium_DOB]

Spy with a shotgun and revolver sounds fucking harlious and fun, NO SAPPER, NO PROBLEM BOOM HEADHEADSHOT BANG BANG DEAD SCOUT

[@BeantheGerridae]

The shotgun would replace the revolvers, because those are his secondaries

[@Odium_DOB]

@@BeantheGerridae dude, your boring... BOOOO! BOOO! but also the rules of the video my dude. heck other videos like this even would describe the sapper as debately a secondary secondary... yeah the revoler is what spy would consider a secondary, but is listed as a primary. while spys would consider knife as a primary melee... Same with the medigun honestly I like the idea of a spy's sapper being replaced with a secondary gun or watch. like with spy that wouldn't feel op....if anything I feel spy's pda should've been something that players could change into different versions of. to changes rules of disguises to possibly be buildings or props. or entirely loose disguises all together to gain the ability to take over enemy buildings.

[@BeantheGerridae]

@@Odium_DOB the revolvers are listed as secondary weapons, knives are melee weapons and the cloak/disguise kit/sappers are PDA's

[@lpsp442]

Before I watch the video, I'm going to post what I anticipate will emerge from the experiment: 1) All classes will remain viable except for maybe Demoman, as some combination of a strong primary,, base build or melee will carry them 2) Stickybomb Launchers and Assault Shields will be popular on many classes, but not the be all and end all - for instance, Soldiers don't need them, Medics will prefer their Mediguns, Engineers and Spys may prefer their native gear, but Scouts, Pyros, Heavies and Snipers would love the gains 3) Soldier's Banners will be very popular, especially on the four lightweight classes 4) Mediguns won't be that popular, despite their extreme value, because Medics use them better than anyone else 5) Some of the cheesier Scout and Sniper secondaries (ie Mad Milk and Jarate, occasionally the sodas) will have some currency 6) Pyro and Heavy secondaries won't take off, and no-one will use the Sapper outside of Spies 7) Engineer's secondaries will remain exclusive to himself (this is obvious as they don't do much or do nothing otherwise) 8) Snipers and Spies may have use for Secondary Shotguns, but that's about it 9) Pistols and SMGs will basically disappear All that typed up, let's see how things actually pared out: Post-watch update: .... I thought this would be an actual testing video, with a custom server ala Shounic. Oh well. Mostly broad agreement with the opinions in the video. Standouts for either eye-opening good combos or disagreements: - Scouts really, REALLY love the Battalion's Backup. Flat +20 HP is a big gain proportionally, and it's easy for a speedy scout to apply the defensive effects to his teammates. - Heavies also like the Battalion's, because the percentage-based buffs are crazy given his 320 HP pool. Heavy has effectively *492* HP against ordinary attacks, and 640 against sentries. Combined with a Medic, some insane stuff can happen. - Pyro aerial options could be great on Heavy, I had not considered that, but given that Heavy could also take a *Sticky Jumper* they may be somewhat redundant. I don't recall you mentioning the SJ in the video? - Gunslinger Engineer would massively increase in power with either a solid damaging secondary like Stickybombs (letting him retire his Primary to the Rescue Ranger, a good move overall), or with the Battalion's in conjuction with the Widowmaker. This combo is the same as Scout, except a little slower in return for having +25 HP, a Mini Sentry and Dispenser. - Mediguns just won't see much useage outside of Medic because he has his inbuilt HP sensor for teammates, and this makes him the best bearer for this valuable item. (also, the Crossbow and Ubersaw let him build uber better) - Could a Medic with Mad Milk, Jarate or the two defensive Banners, plus the Amputator, make a viable combat Medic? This should be explored - I think you've overlooked the glorious meme potential of a Huntsman Sniper with Crit-a-Cola and the Bushwhacka, able to land full crits for several seconds and still switch to a viable mobile weapon. Alternatively, the Buffalo Steak for mobility. - The drawback to BSS doesn't matter much for lightweights btw as these classes lose little potential health from it, and are already reliant on other means to survive (evasion via speed, stealth, sentry cover or range). - Any secondary you could give to Demoman, you could just give to Soldier and see better results. 200 HP and a Rocket Launcher beats 175 HP and a Grenade Launcher. Soldier's melee pool is slightly superior overall and the base movement difference is negated by rocket jumping.

[@JustAnotherGamer886]

For scout cosy camper or second banana would work well with his low health to keep him topped of constantly insted of stealing health packs from meds

[@zombiecat7777]

I would Take. Scout: Jarate or Flare Guns or Smg Soilder: Second Banana or Mad Milk Pyro: Shields or Bonk or Sticky Jumper Demoman: Pistol or Shotgun Heavy: Shields or Medigun or Banners or the Razorback Engi: Medigun or Jarate or Flare Guns or the Razorback Medic: the Sandvich or Shotgun or Stickys Sniper: Crit-a-Cola or Banner or shotgun Spy: Banners or the Thermal Thruster or Sticky Jumper or Darwin's Danger Shield

[@sandwich9509]

the pretty boy pocket pistol would be really good on sniper or engy,also the darwins dangershiel on spy would be a neat sidegrade

[@boneman9751]

Heavy with the razorback would be funny and full support engi on medigun would be amazing

[@geoshark12]

One thing you didn’t think of with the solider , scout with base jumper

[@tugazu]

I will never understand how people see thermal thrusters as a better sticky jumper

[@rockowlgamer631]

12:30 I dunno they still seem to headshot me plenty of times even when they're on fire. -_-'

[@gsaslan2877]

2:26 you know, you can fire and detonate at the same time right?

[@Multi1]

OH GOD the Mediguns.

[@ashtongiertz8728]

16:17 why not heavy's secondary if you're mainly doing it for the shotguns?

[@Tjprower]

Medic with Heavy's shotgun/sandvich roster would be more my speed tf2 classic medic toss those health kits or blast those faces Blaught sauger + panic attack to basically be a scout again

[@williamgingrich8361]

Ok if I may make a argument for sniper secondary on spy danger, shield for no Afterburn cozy camper cloak, free healing without moving and invisible if it doesn’t break cloak jarate would be funny to throw into a group of enemies and SMG’s might be good for running away

[@blu3m0nkey]

Spy with the crocodile back (or whatever its called) Edit, medic can use amputator, as all other meles are now USELESS He can heal 25 per 1.5 secs every time he taunts, and mad milk still keeps up healing He can also use pocket pistol as battle medic, considering you dont heal people anyway

[@maxorsmthn1432]

Soldier with stickies would just be a better demoman, having both good sustained damage and an easier close range option, plus utility melees Also all fear the rocket sticky jumper trolldier

[@venomstryker9076]

I can’t believe you neglected sandvich Scout. Or chocolate for max hp

[@dernamenlosefan]

I feel like you're massively underestimating the Stickies on Scout as well as the banners on Heavy: Scout wouldn't play stickies like Demo, he'd be able to get incredibly nasty angles on enemies with his mobility to spam down explosions and his speed lets him negate the few considerable downsides the stickies haave: reload time and close quaters. A scout could place a stickie at an unaware target and combine the detonation with a single scatter shot to finish off most classes in a 1, 2 combo most won't even see coming. As for Heavy 2 things have to be considered: Heavy anchors his team as most people swarm around the large guy and the banners can help massively improve his survivability, sustain or negate his mediocre mid range damage due to fall off via minicrits.

[@goldensnagglesniper]

i would like a charging targe 👍 we will have charging snipers carrying kukri and pan running around like demoknights. *the snipeknight*

[@StoryDood]

I've always thought of spy's "secondary" as the invis watches. the sapper is basically spy's PDA, and you wouldn't say that engineer's PDA is his *secondary*, would you? (Obviously not, as that's never on the table, and if classes could build sentries and dispensers and teleporters that'd be a serious contender for nearly every class). If we take the invis watches as Spy's secondary it actually weakens his ability to utilize the Sticky's even MORE, and it provides some interesting risk v reward with picking a banner or a shotgun from soldier, as you actually have to consider if you want the safety of invisibility or the offense or utility of shotguns or banners.

[@aidansharp5244]

The invis watch isn’t a secondary tho, it’s either the revolver or sapper, and that’s it, no other secondary functions like the invis watch anyways.

[@StoryDood]

@@aidansharp5244 shields work the same way as invis watches.

[@aidansharp5244]

@@StoryDood Not really, that’s like saying the Medigun, or the Flamethrower for that matter, work like the invis watch.

[@StoryDood]

@@aidansharp5244 both are always usable and activate their abilities on right click. That's what I meant.

[@TheMacWindu]

Yay everyone can equip razorback like they should be able to

[@zespy4818]

People tend to forget that medic's medi gun is the reason why he can pacifly regain health. This is seen on weapon randomizer as any class who gets the medic's medi-gun regains health over time. So with that being said the medic is primarlly useless without his medi gun. That's not to say he can make some pretty cool frag clips while using a shotgun though. :]

[@operatorblujayz9280]

The Widow Maker can extreamly powerful all Mercs have a hidden 200 starting ammo meaning all of them technical have infinite ammo.

[@grfrjiglstan]

What if every class could equip every single weapon they own at once? As in, 20 weapons to swap between?

[@Enderzombie2020]

Double Shotgun Gaming

[@kittykenderson]

when it comes to your suggestion about scout and using the stickybomb launcher, your arguments are taking the perspective of someone who *isn't* going to be able to switch their secondary. "um, just, go play soldier to do that?? are you stupid??" demo is the most overpowered class in team fortress 2, having the best damage in the game, the most spam potential, and the best mobility of any of the classes excluding the scout. the stickybomb launcher, on scout, would BREAK the game in it's entirety. imagine the spam you receive from a godly demo, but on a class that can not only run fast, but also DOUBLE JUMP.

[@ashtongiertz8728]

I think this might be a bit more interesting if you limited yourself to only giving a class' secondaries to 1 class. To put it another way: when you give a class's secondary to another class, you can't give it to anyone else.

[@heinrichkrull2523]

Criticola or Buffalo Steak on Sniper to combo with the Bushwaka for the memes.

[@thesmm2311]

Buffalo Steak + Bushwacka FTW

[@DAVETHEBREADWIZARD]

Demoman with a shotgun Demoman with a shotgun

[@TopViktorCool]

Hybrid solider, rocket launcher shield and weeb sword, as a demo main there is a very big opportunity

[@norienog]

[TF2] What if each Class could swap their Melee?

[@RoninVanOrden-p5k]

Me when I forget battle engineer

[@FungiCaptain]

bonk + amputator would be a solid combo along with huo long heater + gas passer for some very good damage but all these weapons are mid tier so naybe these arent great

[@FluffyFailure0]

I'm sorry but the scout secondaries on soldier is busted. Crowd control health steal, mini-crits on demand, the Bonk Escape Plan combo, the Flying Guillotine, and three different flavors of Pistols to choose from, two of which have weak but convenient utilities. :3

[@Ng6HeavyWeaponsMann]

Technically... TF 2 considers REVOLVERS as secondaries. there´s text above your revolver unlocks saying SECONDARY