Why I Don't Use PMAGs

[@Tusk_III]

I cannot get any gen PMAGs to fit in my 1861 Springfield Rifle. I’m waiting on a response from Magpul.

[@JustSumGuy01]

You gotta use the trapdoor model for it to work

[@nic-hol-assgrain6574]

@@JustSumGuy01 it's worked in flintlocks with success but the bolt keeps catching on the top of the mag for some reason

[@paulzaborny6741]

maybe you got the one for the spencer rifle? (….. LOL :0)

[@Reisito305]

Lmao

[@GatCat]

E T LOL! YES!

[@thecocooreo]

The only issue I've had with Pmags is they need to be refilled 🤪

[@TurtleButter]

You need to get yourself some Hollywood mags

[@pricelessppp]

And that cost cash! 😂

[@ridge69]

Have spouse do this while you're at work

[@bobthebuilder1360]

@@ridge69 New problem...how do I obtain a spouse

[@ridge69]

@@bobthebuilder1360 I found mine online, been together 15 years now

[@WindyHowler]

Wow I own none of those non AR15 rifles. I will continue to use pmags

[@DeVonMArtis]

Right

[@kisaragi_san1378]

i think his point is that (he) doesnt use them because (he) uses non ar-15 rifles, hes not trashing the PMAG and the description proves that =/

[@HiveTyrant25]

@@kisaragi_san1378 yeah the video doesn't really make sense to me because he states he doesn't use it because it doesn't fit his needs, but it's like saying "I don't use AK mags for these guns because they don't fit into my magwell." Like, duh? The mags clearly say they're for AR15/M4/M16. I don't get why he'd bother making this video with the title he did and idk why it even got recommended to me.

[@kisaragi_san1378]

@@HiveTyrant25 ...probably because people keep asking why he uses GI mags

[@loganarena8060]

Did any of you even watch the video? He also explained that 1. Pmags are more expensive. And 2. Pmags are heavier. Not just that they dont work in certain rifles.

[@jononwheelz]

As a former infantry marine that saw the transition from the classics to pmags while I was in, you’re the first I heard to complain about weight. Now I’ll admit, pmags were super tight in the pouches we were issued. But I imagine that’s been easily fixed with some upgrades and/or some good wearing in.

[@MrSocomusnavyseals]

This guy is using a prior gen PMAG that has been known to have issues. We use gen 3 and metal mags,they're both money.

[@59232]

As an infantry Marine that was in when P mags were invented but not allowed, I threw up in my mouth a little bit when I saw him use the carry handle as a carry handle on that at.

[@BigtheJonathan]

Push now.

[@richardlahan7068]

The Gen 3 mag baseplate has been redesigned so they are not as tight in the mag pouches.

[@localforearm1627]

@@59232 why

[@frankshanks9726]

My pmag won’t fit my Sig P226 handgun. I’m going to make a video on this and pmag will be hearing from me. Lol

[@IIKnucklesII]

Every year at ShotShow: "But does it take Glock Mags?"

[@kinpump4696]

Fake ass wanna be look at your playlists 🤣

[@Thedudewhoknocks1825]

Kin Pump 😂

[@RandomInternetProfile]

Kinda sad a shit joke like that gained 170 likes, but I'm sure we all know there's a large group of gun enthusiasts that are borderline retarded

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

@@IIKnucklesII No. But Glocks take Pmags now.

[@discipleofjmb]

The PMAG was only designed for the AR-15. Most of the platforms you mentioned in this video work with STANAG mags. The EMAGs fit this purpose for the most part if you want a polymer option.

[@thefryinallofus]

Thank you! I was getting frustrated watching this video listening to him argue a ridiculous point. It's like arguing why glock mags aren't the best 'pistol' magazines. Buy the best magazine for whatever type of gun you have, it's not that hard.

[@blackonblack...9244]

This is video is 7 years old.

[@JM.MEL_]

yet here we are@@blackonblack...9244

[@KarsenKeith]

@@blackonblack...9244 Coincidentally, EMags haven't been made in 7 years

[@whofarted.45]

it was originally designed the go along with the masada, later the acr. it probably wasnt designed with the ar15 in mind, but it works well.

[@Dies1r4e]

I love his argument for this is "I wont spend a few extra dollars, because my pile of 2-5k super guns that few of you will ever own don't accept them!" Don't get me wrong, I agree, have weight on the mind and I love GI mags...but the cost argument goes out the window when you are running a SCAR-L or FN-2000 over an AR-15 lol.

[@klen4569]

Dies1r4e it’s ‘why I don’t use PMAGS’ no ‘eyes you shouldn’t use PMAGS’ it doesn’t matter if few people will ever own those guns, because he does. His argument isn’t that a few extra dollars is too much, but that it’s not really worth it if they negatively affect him

[@elijahmccormick3360]

He also didn’t like the reliability

[@kyleminks6406]

This is why real men use ak47’s us real men don’t like problems with a kalash having a problem is near impossible (only problem being is well wait.. there is none)

[@kyleminks6406]

Spencer 7445 idgaf if it’s Russian it fucking works pkm ak47’s akms takarov t22 it don’t matter it’ll fricken blast a thousand rounds down range warp sideways catch on fire and still shoot Russian junk works accept it

[@Doomguy-777]

@@kyleminks6406 Takarov is not even a weapon, you probably mixed Tokarev and Makarov lol. Also early AK-47 were not that reliable. AK will cease to function with mud covering the bolt unlike the AR-15. "it’ll fricken blast a thousand rounds down range warp sideways catch on fire" If the handguard burns, you can't use your AK anymore as holding the weapon would burn your hands on the barrel, or you'll have to hold it by the mag which wouldn't improve your precision. Also about the precision, the AK is inferior in that regard unless it's the AK-12. Many weapons can shoot thousands of rounds no problem. You obviously don't know anything about guns, or you are influenced by popular myths about how the AK has super magical powers.

[@chandlermann8228]

Ounces equal pounds, pounds equal pain. However the Marine Corps is currently phasing out the GI mags because PMags are more durable and reliable. Your GI mags may drop freely but I can't tell you how many times I've had to return my magazines to the armory because dropping them during speed reloads results in them either not ejecting or not feeding properly. Not to mention how useful the window feature of Gen 3s are in a fire fight.

[@nikik5567]

chandler mann why are the windows more useful? Like I’m asking sincerely here. Do y’all use that many different ammo types?

[@KorbinRock]

@@nikik5567 I'm pretty sure that the window is there so you know how much ammo is in your mag, as it is numbered up to 25. It's just to be able to count your ammo and how much longer you can hold out before reloading (least I'm pretty sure).

[@arterial4756]

​@@KorbinRock You really think that's practical? The window mags are for aesthetics. They were made after the G36's smoked magazines made the gun world go crazy. People wanted to see the shells in the mags. It's completely impractical to turn your rifle, leave firing mode, just to see if youve fired 5 rounds or not lol. IMO, You shouldn't own a gun if you aren't gonna be aware of firing more than 5 rounds in the last minute either.

[@doodlebob5273]

@@arterial4756 bro have you been in combat? In what world would it not be very convenient to see how many rounds you have left. If someone is shooting at you yo ass ain't gonna count to thirty with every bump of the rifle. Especially if you can just glance and see. Why would you have to turn the rifle? Literally just look down with your eyes. 😂😂😂

[@Mannymoe7]

johnathan enlow then you should be reloading not looking at the window

[@frankcastle9658]

Ahhh no wonder my Pmag wasn’t working on my .50 Cal

[@MrAndrewmcgibbon]

next he will tell us the Mosin Nagant isn't the greatest most accurate rifle ever made.

[@ManlyManStuff]

he hates to Mosin lol :(

[@barnabiswirley2132]

the K98 beats the Mosin hands down.

[@TexasLonghornRanch]

The shorter action Mauser beats the K98. M48 and 24/47.

[@RaftGuidePhil]

Some people just dont get sarcasm.

[@jrmadera5756]

+TexasLonghornRanch Mauser makes the k98

[@cplprice1062]

Actually, the Marine Corps adopted the PMag Gen 3 several years back. It works well across all 5.56 platforms across their inventory, M27 IAR, M16, M4, SAW. It also has the added benefit of reducing excessive feed ramp wear associated with the M855A1 EPR round. The Marine Corps tested the PMag against the Army's legacy USGI magazine, their replacement USGI EPM, (Enchanced Performance Magazine). The PMAg Gen3 was 480-550% more reliable than the USGI types using the M855A1 and Mk318 round across all platforms. In fact there were zero stoppages related to the magazine when using the PMag with either round in the M27 platform. The Marine Corps adopted the mag back in 2016 when this video first came out, the US Air Force followed seven months later and USSOCOM has adopted as well. So the people whose use of 5.56 weapons platforms is a life and death issue would give advice counter to what you are propogating.

[@k2l87]

Once again a social media influence throwing in personal preferences over actual performance

[@155mustang]

Hey! Hi there, US Air Force here. We def are not using PMags. Not saying that a few squadrons haven’t adopted them but Big A Air Force has not standardized on PMags, we’re still standardized on USGI mags.

[@notsojoerogan]

@@155mustang I don’t think Magpul offers magazines for staplers. That could be why you haven’t seen them implemented in the Air Force 😂😂

[@mghegotagun]

@@155mustang Seen pmags used in air force basic, and in use by secfo.

[@FuckGoogle502]

@@notsojoerogan Aaahaha oh that's a good burn.

[@BereanBeliever86]

So...pmags work in all rifles except the $4,000 ones?

[@nikik5567]

ExhumedXxXx yes they work in normal ARs like we all have, not the Gucci guns or old ass collector machine guns he wants to use them in.

[@scottcampbell2836]

Lmao

[@cantsneedgaming4591]

yeah i know imagine designing a rifle that doesnt work with pmags in todays world lol

[@dominic6634]

If a 4000$ rifle doesn't work all the time your getting ripped off.

[@stickyfox]

@@dominic6634 In most cases, if you paid $4k for a gun you got ripped off no matter how well it works. But especially if it's an AR.

[@AppleUploader]

Am I the only one who thinks the aluminum GI mags look better than pmags?

[@ihatefords1000]

No the GI mags look better and funtion better than magpul shit mags

[@johndegroff3870]

Look better? You're joking around right? Man What my rifle looks like is At the very bottom of my list of anything that's important. Reliability then reliability then there's reliability.

[@MSRLR]

Anatoly Dyatlov same. I have a all late 1980’s army ranger range gear set-up. Kevelar helmet, jeep googles, woodland camp BDU’s paratrooper jump boots, alice gear, flak jacket , everything. Im building a semi auto only M16A2 clone now. Imagine if i ruined it all, by having Pmags? 😂😂😂😂 no i have 7 GI mags. One in the rifle, 6 in the pouches

[@toynazi]

Yea because it's all about how you look while at the range LMAO

[@ihatefords1000]

You cant beat gi mags for reliability

[@tfbtv]

I am braced for impact on this one

[@bassamaann]

honestly I agree with you on the p-mags and im actually somewhat disapointed with magpul because they usually have high quality products and the fact that I can't use it in my h&k 416

[@WTFisTingispingis]

It IS kind of odd Magpul didn't take the STANAG design being compatible with nearly every service rifle out there into account when making their Pmags.

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Probably because next to no one had hk416's and fn2000's and scars. Relative to the ar15's out there. They're a business first and having to redesign a mag built for 99.9% of their customer base to fit in guns that almost no one has or uses isn't worth it. It might even make it less reliable in their regular ar15 trying to cater to the other less common and relatively oddball guns.

[@tfbtv]

+Joe Vazquez You are absolutely right Joe

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Thanks. Addressing your 'drop free' p mag issue try flipping the mag out with your wrist like you see soldiers and special forces, etc do. That should solve most the problem

[@winterfrinzl7386]

I’ll trade you all my steel mags for your pmags

[@aholegunner]

If I don't live in CA then I would gladly trade you some

[@pinhead2128]

When i bought my ar pistol i came with 2 steel mags the clerk was like man your lucky you got 2 steel mags i told him im not of fan of them he offered to buy them i told him trade me 2 pmags amd he did he gave me 2 40 round mags for 2 30 round steel mags and ive never had a problem with p mags

[@tylermelloy4]

@@pinhead2128 I’ve had feed lips break off on pmags in extreme cold weather but never really heard of this from other people

[@pinhead2128]

@@tylermelloy4 i live in Houston soo i never experience extreme cold weather lol & never had any problems with my pmags not even with my d-60

[@gabecastillo1634]

@@tylermelloy4 try looking at lancer mags, like pmags with metal feed lips, I’d strongly suggest them, only thing is they’re a bit pricy, but great mags man

[@ConfederateMafia]

Ok makes sense. You're choosing to not use mags that weren't designed to be used in other weird 5.56 guns. Pmags were made for AR-15's. Why is this controversial?

[@1776PatriotTeen]

Exactly. On top of that too, no one uses these old ass guns that they review anyway.

[@lamri13uk]

+Wallie L Man you are trawling through these comments aren't you?

[@tfbtv]

Homeboy either works for Magpul or really, really can't stand it when someone doesn't like something that he likes. Only-child syndrome perhaps.

[@IWinY0UL0se]

+Wallie L Lmao true

[@1776PatriotTeen]

+TFB TV Or the fact that you are using old ass guns is surely what most of these magazines are being used for. Also, MagPul magazines aren't even the best. Everyone knows that Lancer mags are because they actually have steel feed lips and reinforcements. Plus they're not steel. They're aluminum. Get it right.

[@jackofalltradesmastersoffu5377]

From personal experience, I was doing a competition and was submerged up to by chest in muddy silty water. I was running 2 pmags and 2 GI mags. The crud from the water got into my mags and the GI mags had several ftf malfunctions. Post race analysis showed that the crud was like causing the brass to bind against the metal feed lips and cause the round the not feed properly. Pmag worked fine and had zero problems.

[@a-t5380]

What kind of competition may I ask

[@RealBenAnderson]

Recap: 1. In some goofy non-AR-15's, PMAGs won't drop free, which doesn't matter if you use mag retention reload techniques 2. In one specific non-AR-15 that most people don't have, PMAGs will cause damage to the rifle unless you minimally modify them and fix the problem 3. PMAGs don't fit a few non-AR-15 rifles that, again, most people don't have 4. PMAGs are slightly heavier, which evidently matters more than feeding reliability Final thought: Someone who only owns AR-15's should not use PMAGs because they might not work well in other rifles they don't own anyway

[@johnusas2870]

as someone who rucks for miles as an Infantryman I agree with the point of saving weight with the full saying "ounces equals pounds, pounds equals pain"

[@voidstrider4106]

Boot

[@cardboard_shaft]

**AS AN INFANTRYMAN** using plastic mags would SEVERELY reduce my ability to carry weight 🤡🥴

[@Love_Shaq]

Somebody come get their private

[@motonut4503]

As a former door kicker in iraq and afghan I'll say we never used the metal mags and only ran pmags.

[@jojojack4975]

@@cardboard_shaft I never have figured why an infantryman carry’s everything but the kitchen sink

[@KitBurdick]

"Optimized for use with Colt-spec AR15/M4 firearms" from Magpul description. Don't be upset that it isn't optimized for other STANAG comparable systems. Does not claim to be STANAG.

[@petrsukenik9266]

He doesnt say these are bad magazines, he just explain why they dont work for him

[@deeremeyer1749]

@@petrsukenik9266 No he doesn't. They're not STANAG explains why they "don't work for him". At no point does he differentiate between ACTUAL "AR" magazines and those piece of shit "NATO-spec" one-size-sorta-fits-all "G.I. Jokes" that are the WORST of all "fits ARs" magazines which is "ironic" because it sure as fuck isn't SA-80s and SCAR-Ls that have seen 99.999% of all real "NATO" and "U.N." combat in the last...forever since NATO and the U.N. were created for "world peace". The pieces of shit wouldn't be kinked if they didn't "have" to fit those truly ridiculous "bullpup" British "drill rifles" that have been dropped more than fired.

[@petrsukenik9266]

@@deeremeyer1749 british allredy fixed their rifles

[@Skrillful]

on gunmagwarehouse it says "Modified dimensions for platforms such as the HK?416/MR556A1/M27 IAR, British SA-80, FN SCAR:tm: MK 16/16S"

[@SamTheMan55555]

I like how respectfully you share your opinion. It is refreshing these days.

[@sigspearthumb2313]

SamTheMan55555 seriously though.

[@TheTopMostDog]

Unlike all the comments

[@SamTheMan55555]

wimmisky What you smoking. Most people are not respectful. They just like to tell people they are wrong like you are doing now. Thanks for proving my point.

[@blakesmittty6066]

Pmags fall perfectly out of my ar’s magwell

[@Manhattan_project.420]

you seem to have missed the entire video

[@charliebrownsd]

And that was the entire point of this video. If you just have AR's then get PMAGs. If you are a collector or run another platform they might not work as well as GI mags.

[@mikeplaysit]

Thats not only the point of this video, but also a point that TFB doesnt seem to grasp. Me personally, if someone only has ARs and loves pmags in them, let them? Doesnt bother me for them to think that pmags are the best whereas I might know better, or should I say, simply have different needs as I use more than just ARs. But I guess a video was needed so the people who think pmags are fine for them know just what an ignorant AR peasant they are.. LOL

[@christianzale505]

No shit Sherlock

[@richardcanaan9244]

@@mikeplaysit maybe the point of the video was to share important information to people who aren't only interested in ARs

[@daltondurham5942]

Fun fact, aluminum GI mags were originally made to be disposable. The steel body GI mags are keepers...

[@ramdom_assortment]

@@unitedstatesirie7431 It will corrode though. Probably not an issue with mags though.

[@Dan-di9jd]

Disposable doesn't mean they are "one time use." When they refer to disposable they mean they are meant to be exchanged out when reloading. That's very much unlike other mags in the 50s and 60s when they were meant to stay in the weapon. Matter of fact, magazines were viewed negatively by the military. Your M14 rifle was meant to be clipper fed into the magazine box, that's why they had the guide on the top of the receiver, and only removed in an emergency or when cleaning. Most magazines of that era was like a box that you latched into the rifle. They were not drop free or meant to be reloaded in a hurry. The military was finally sold on the AR15 magazine design when the magazines were meant to be "disposable" in that you can change magazines very easily and without inaccuracy that other rifles of that era had. You just had to push a button and insert a new magazine without having to "latch" into anything.

[@randymagnum143]

@@Dan-di9jd disposable means the military will use them for 30 years after they stop functioning.

[@deeremeyer1749]

Bullshit. Steel plus non-ferrous metals like brass, copper and aluminum plus a little "saltwater" from perspiration and condensation = galvanic corrosion and "feeding issues" within days to week even and especially in the "sandbox". The "NATO" fucktards "overseas" that came up with those "STANAG" one-size-fits-none abortions as "AR" magazines were about as qualified to "develop" a magazine as the idiots behind the "bullpup" braindrizzle the fucking things are "kinked" specifically to fit in and "drop free" from even with the pieces of shit "shouldered" by the last fucking "troops" you ever seen "in-country" in any "NATO" or "UN" so-called "conflict". The "U.S. military" has been "disposing" of those steel pieces of shit as fast as possible as well as the GOOD and actual "G.I." anodized steel/polymer follower "M16A2" mags and replacing them with the Pmags those PIECES OF SHIT "INSPIRED" WHEN A U.S. MILITARY COMBAT VETERAN OF THE "WAR FOR OIL" CAME UP WITH A "POLYMER" SLIDE-ON MAG BUMPER/GRIP/LOOP SO THE WORTHLESS PIECES OF TWISTED SHIT COULD "EASILY" BE PULLED OUT OF A POCKET, POUCH, MAGWELL ETC WITHOUT ACCIDENTALLY "DROPPING FREE" OUT OF REACH, INTO DAMAGE, BEING PARTIALLY/FULLY "UNLOADED" INSTANTLY OR GOING "CLANK" OR "CLUNK" IN AN "URBAN ENVIRONMENT". STEEL MAGS IN "RUBBING" CONTACT WITH NYLON CLOTHING, GEAR, POUCHES ETC ARE STATIC ELECTRICITY GENERATORS THAT ATTRACT DUST, DIRT, LINT, SAND AND "GUNK" IN GENERAL LIKE A MAGNET AND THAT FURTHERS THE GALVANIC ACTION "ISSUES" AND THOSE PIECES OF SHIT ARE A G.I. JOKE TO KEEP CLEAN AND LUBRICATED. BUT THEY'RE COOL SHIT TO RANGE RAMBO WANNABE WARRIORS LIKE YOU, I GUESS. ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE POS "ASSAULT RIFLES" MAGPUL GIVES LESS OF A SHIT ABOUT "ACCESSORIZING" THAN IT DOES "RUSSIAN" AKS, LOL.

[@randymagnum143]

@@deeremeyer1749 Jesus Christ, good thing quotation marks are free.

[@johnhemenway8202]

Seeing him step over that fence reminded me of when he went on about how useful the AR carry handle is. Bro it's already an incredibly light weapon, with a perfectly good pistol grip and handguard. Even the magwell is a great place to get a balanced hold on the weapon. The carry handle is a redundant waste of potential rail space. But I get it. You're not like the other bois.

[@TL8311tl]

He wants to be a special snowflake

[@TrueHelpTV]

@@TL8311tl dude literally was concise, and provided in depth logic, then demonstrated his points across multiple platforms.. i think you should change your panties, shut the fuck up, and move along. At no point did he disrespect or cast aside the functionality of other options, just illuminated the dilemmas that can arise. If you think the man whose gun collection cost more than your entire net worth is a snowflake then I shutter to think what that makes you. For now, lets just call you a flake, because* your shit blows around in any weather. pfft.

[@warweasel2832]

@@TrueHelpTV soylarp, cope & seethe.

[@rustyshackleford4514]

Idk man my m16a4 clone is pretty badass. The sights are robust and easy to adjust while also being dirt cheap. Its also comfortable lugging the gun around by the carry handle.

[@joemama.556]

@@rustyshackleford4514 according to rhodesian doctrine carry handles will get you killed haha

[@killersp1974]

GI Mags are not STEEL they are made from Aluminum

[@tfbtv]

I am just noticing that I said that. Of course you only notice these things after your video goes live so you can look like a maximum dumbass.

[@Hilth0Modding]

I like your channel because you can admit when you're wrong and have humor to it, keep makin' videos!

[@ManlyManStuff]

+TFB TV You did state they were aluminum though it's all good. Love your vids Alex.

[@MilsurpWorld]

But, but, but... you can run over PMAGs!

[@justinbell5696]

good one.That is the stupid test everyone does nowadays. It makes as much sense as phil swift and his boat made from flex seal. Who the F runs over their stuff?

[@Fixxate]

+Justin Bell Yes.

[@sogerc1]

Yeah, there's a slight chance that it will happen to you once in your lifetime with one of your mags, so... very useful test.

[@MrGuitar151]

lol true. Had a pmag in the back of my truck for no more than a couple days when i went to retrieve it the spine was split, and no longer worked. Made me think if a new pmag couldnt last a day in the back of a truck in civilian use imagine howd it would hold up in combat.

[@johnson_finger]

North Florida Gun Guy so? Then dont run over the GI mags

[@OperationNonsense]

the fact people think everyone should use pmags, is a testament to how good the AR15 platform is. to a point most people forget other guns exist outside the AR15 platform, and pmags are not compatible with most guns that's not an AR15.

[@TheLocknLoadChannel]

I use Magpul Pmags exclusively in all my AR's. I have never had a feeding issue or a magazine that failed to drop free when the mag release was pressed. I have also used GI mags and never had a issue with those either. Both work fine but the Pmags are more durable in my experience.

[@King_jordan97]

TheLocknLoadChannel exactly my mags fall out smooth and instantly and dont scar up a rifle like metal

[@jimblane1183]

USGI mags were originally meant to be left on the battlefield and not reloaded, like Garand clips. What does that tell you.

[@Adrenaline89Junky]

I guess you're luckier then me. 3 of the 6 of my pmags had feeding issues. Now I have Lancers and absolutely love them. Pmags are also fragile. Watch the videos on here seeing them dropped.

[@Z45HR4]

Do you realize that in the video he specifically addresses this exact comment at 3:10?

[@Drew1734]

TheLocknLoadChannel Until you can find me stanag GI’s for $7/piece like you can for a pmag in today’s market, my money will always follow the better deal with magpul

[@AdeptN00B]

The Marines just swapped to p mags, I love em.

[@Andrew85or]

We had the metal GI mags when I was in and God were they trash... Feeding issues, you'd have to slap down as you eject the mag or they would hang in the mag well, and they're also louder. But of course they were probably in the Corps since Vietnam. 2/8 2006-2010

[@swaghauler8334]

@@Andrew85or The 30-rounders are probably early '80s vintage. That's when the 30 rounders began to be used in bulk. Until the early '80s, 20-rounders were more common as they were Vietnam Era surplus.

[@deltashot5608]

yeah because they'll get smoked if they lose any magazines

[@tmsact]

Agree about the weight. I am an avid backpacker. You go hiking for over 30 miles up and down 10,000ft elevation gains. You will do anything to shave weight. Weight is overlooked for those who have not truly experienced it.

[@elitetrader5468]

The Gen3 PMags have none of the issues described here.

[@Dan-cm9ow]

I had a bunch of Gen2s that were hit-or-miss with dropping from the rifle, I got Gen3s on my next shipment and every single one had that issue. I gave the mags to a friend and only half of them dropped from his rifle (and they dropped slowly). My lowers are Spikes and DS Arms, the friends is a Daniel Defense. I've been running Lancers without any issues.

[@Tyler_Mattson]

That’s a lie.

[@GOmegaPHD]

​@@Dan-cm9ow take 5 seconds to sand off the little bit of overmolding on the top side of the back of the magazine, its just a little burr from molding that needs to be removed. yeah you shouldnt have to do that yourself but the biggest complaint takes 5 seconds to remedy. gun people fix their own shit right?

[@TheWarriorSolution]

Nice job on this. I've been using PMAGs for years, but only with AR-15s so I wasn't aware of some of the issues you mentioned. Thanks for sharing!

[@MichaelGarcia001]

"I don't use pmags because they don't work with these obsolete/uncommon rifles and this one really expensive rifle."

[@rcreccomendationsforpeople3906]

AK mag stronk work with all

[@TalkingHands308]

Um, his video is why *HE* doesn't use PMags, not why *YOU* shouldn't use PMags. He owns these "uncommon" rifles, so why is it wrong for him to not use PMags if they don't work for the rifles he owns??

[@rcreccomendationsforpeople3906]

@@TalkingHands308 ak stronk, no use puny m16

[@TalkingHands308]

@@rcreccomendationsforpeople3906 :-P

[@rcreccomendationsforpeople3906]

@@danielpope3579 are you actually taking this seriouslsy?

[@SheppardOfDeath]

Where are you finding colt mags that are cheaper than Pmags? Most places I see are selling colt mags for 25 dollars where the Pmags are selling for 15...

[@mosin54r2]

TheRealBanePepe Colt is a 4 letter word when it comes to prices. C-O-L-T is synonomous with C-O-S-T

[@green15838]

He ment gi mags probro!

[@ScooterLee-mn8bn]

30 plus in my area

[@svborek]

Surplus ammo is way cheaper. Buy in bulk steal or pmags. Great prices.

[@svborek]

@@Grabbagar670 surplusammo.com

[@boxlid214]

The newer gen pmags addressed some of those issues since this video came out I think. They have a lip to stop the mags from going too far into the rifle, and directly updated the mags to be HK compatible. If the mags don't drop freely, maybe a very light sanding or silicone lube would help until they're broken in.

[@troywoodhouse3495]

Was only one issue with the original pmags in the ar platform to begin with. The only issue with them is they would crack down the back after months of hard use in combat. I’ve personally ran them over with 60k lb MWRAPS then immediately shot them. The feeding issue with the GI mags was caused by the follower rolling. They have newer GI mags that have a follower that dost tilt which fixed that. But you still can’t run them over and then use them. 🤷🏻‍♂️. We got Pmags delivered by the boxes in Afghanistan. They work and They are the only mag I’d bet my life on in any Ar platform.

[@AZREDFERN]

2:59 I hear more “folks in the military” say they want something reliable. Not something that you have to check to make sure the feed ramps aren’t cracked every time you re-use a mag after dropping it. P-Mags are like a carbon arrow. If it’s not cracked, it’ll work! You want proof metal mags suck? Try a few military range mags. Every other one has some issue.

[@LawlessNate]

Anything used by the military long enough will fall into disrepair from abuse and a lack of maintenance. Pmags, 20 or 30 years from now, will have a bad reputation in the military for being unreliable.

[@S.Stiles]

PMAGS aren't made for all those guns.

[@jamessawley213]

And that's why he doesn't use it. It won't work in all his guns and Colt GI mags will.

[@OTS0]

​@I AM ALIVE !!!!! Because people have been telling him that why in all his guns why he never uses PMAGS it was only to answer the question

[@emac4925]

No he also said colt ar15 and hk416 I have a colt ar15 and some of the Pmags I have won’t fit in I have to jam it in.

[@Real11BangBang]

I used pmags in my m4A1 in Syria. I didn't have any problems.

[@humansvd3269]

That's great, but PMAGS are designed for ar15/m16 platform. This guy owns multiple guns that aren't that platform and they don't work with a lot non ar15 guns.

[@mamjack6134]

YPG or MFS ?

[@Real11BangBang]

@@mamjack6134 RCA aka the MAT

[@mamjack6134]

@@Real11BangBang had to Google it, about a million acronyms. LoL assume y'all was out west

[@Real11BangBang]

@@mamjack6134 East

[@kingofclubs9501]

Pmags are also a hell of a lot quieter and never had an issue with mine in an AR platform

[@sonyj87]

U r among few guntubers that explains stuff like these without ego ..... Good job again ....

[@noway6633]

Imagine trying to put a non HK magazine in an HK rifle and complaining when it doesn't work. It's almost like you don't know the companies reputation or history

[@ronniefarnsworth6465]

The PMAG is "Far" quieter in a Combat theater which is very important and pushing the button pulling it out is generally not an issue, we keep our used Mags. I guess if your in a Rifle competition the speed factor will come into play and I would use a Steel mag then !! Semper Fi

[@robertwilson8184]

For me, the near-elimination of feeding problems on the PMAGs, as well as the capability to visually estimate how much ammunition I have (windowed PMAGs) are well worth the increased weight, even for militia/paramilitary applications. In my short time in active duty we used x3 double stack rifle mag pouches on our body armor, which caused issues for me proning out (back/hip injuries prior to joining). I've since moved to x3 single stack pouches, followed by one on my war belt. I don't anticipate needing a full "combat load" ready on my plate carrier in civilian contexts, if a fight is that bad I'm planning on just breaking contact and just harassing whatever larger force is hypothetically in my AOR. All of your reasons are valid, although perhaps not applicable to a lot of guys who tend to stick to more modern AR builds. Although the point of simplifying logistics to cover all weapons platforms isn't one that should be overlooked.

[@CyphR1]

100% great points. Totally agree

[@OttoTheWeim]

The old GI mags also had the misfortune of becoming deformed in cases of speed reloads during firefights and then being knelt or stepped on. After the firefights when the mags are recovered you’ll find that pmags do not have this issue

[@FuckGoogle502]

Yeah, they just split up the spine or shear off a feed ramp.

[@nickh495]

GI mags are only good if you have the newer mags with black or tan followers. They have improved springs to prevent mag related fails. I replaced all of my green follower mags before I deployed and it was definitely the right choice.

[@geraldmiller5232]

i only use aluminum magazines with magpul followers.

[@dmo7815]

With 7.62 mag only Pmags have anti tilt followers. Where can we AT follows for alm. 7.62 magazines ?

[@sicottish]

This

[@jonathanbaird8109]

The black follower was the original follower. Black -> green -> tan -> blue

[@nickh495]

@@jonathanbaird8109 when I served I only saw green when I first got in and black and tan after the upgrades were made and they announced it to the entire army that the upgrades were made and that we were to replace our mags with ones with black or tan mags so I have no clue what you’re talking about. Especially since I’ve seen Vietnam era mags with green followers and I’ve definitely never seen Blue followers and I got out only a few years ago. Served for nearly a decade

[@oneshot700]

i'll carry the extra weight know it will work every time. I have zero weapon malfunctions using p-mags

[@charlesprice7608]

If you have never ever had a failure, you don’t shoot that much! Don’t know anyone that shoots a lot that has never had a failure.

[@oneshot700]

@@charlesprice7608 ok dude you probably know Jerry M too

[@charlesprice7608]

@@oneshot700 yes I know who he is, but if that’s something he says I didn’t get it from him. Just been shooting for over 40yrs and failures happen. Perfection just doesn’t exist in real life. I’m not knocking P-mags either if that’s what your thinking.

[@alexsigler299]

I still have 0 malfunctions i can contribute to being a pmag malfunction

[@tylergaye5457]

Same thing with the GI mags, never had an issue

[@devwreck192]

"Prepare to fire the butthurt cannon." - General George Washington

[@johnnolan6889]

This dude was such a gun hipster lol

[@mikeplaysit]

John Nolan and anyone who DOESNT use inly USGI mags because it fits all their obscure 5.56 firearms is an ignorant AR peasant and simply MUST know which magazines are definitely best regardless of whether you only use ARs in which pmags run mostly flawlessly lol

[@robertupson5274]

Honestly lol. I love the video where someone (can’t remember who) listed the M91 as a personal favorite rifle and he just glared at them lmao

[@rowanw5912]

I thought the title said, "why i don't use PEMDAS"

[@sorry...nowbased]

"TOP 5 REASONS WHY PEMDAS IS THE WHACKEST MATH THEOREM"

[@wizweezyx7]

Parenthasis exponents multiplication division addition and subtraction

[@danielsteger8456]

@@sorry...nowbased PEMDAS sucks, BODMAS rocks

[@chanc9737]

phuk math

[@colonelcorazonsantiago7335]

I like your honesty

[@Rigohinojosa15]

I bought 10 Pmags when I got my first AR a few months ago. They work good.

[@inlandbhsk8r]

Great points. Reinforced my preferences for mags.

[@inlandbhsk8r]

GI mags *

[@MissNeonNyx]

I have both GI and Gen3 Pmags. I prefer buying the GI mags because I can usually get 3 of them for the price of one Pmag. The GI mags also have a slimmer profile in a plate carrier allowing a more comfortable prone shooting experience. I don't dislike Pmags and the few I own I will occasionally use. Overall, I just prefer GI mags.

[@nikik5567]

Mirage where are you getting your GI mags? They cost an arm and a leg, where I’m from I can buy 3 pmags for the price of a GI mag.

[@TheRedStateBlue]

i am 100% convinced that every failure i ever had to deal with in the Corps. was because of those cheap, shitty stamped metal magazines and their cheap, shitty springs that couldn't feed evenly... and dropping a magazine is really dumb, anyway. once it gets bent up from hitting a rock or concrete, its junk.

[@RaftGuidePhil]

So much emotion in these comments. You got the Pmag haters and the Pmag fan boy's. Take your emotional attachment for a tool out of the equation. Think about it on a utilitarian level. If you're only using Properly Spec AR 15s, Pmags will serve you well. If you have an array of different 5.56 guns, then GI mags are probably a better choice. Some of you guys need a heavy dose of Primary&Secondary.com #downwithderp

[@tfbtv]

I will never understand why pieces like these generate so much emotion. The pieces always go: "Here is my opinion. I have formed this opinion based on experiences with the product and competing products. You may have a different opinion for other reasons, and that's cool." Nonetheless this spawns "F-YOU DUDE, YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE I PREFER THE OTHER PRODUCT. YOUR EXPERIENCES ARE INVALID BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCES ARE DIFFERENT!" Such is life, but I do not know why people get emotional over something as trivial as an individual's magazine preference.

[@coloradosun100]

+TFB TV it's because you intentionally create the most sensatuonal, click bait videos on KZbin and fill them with controversial statements. When do you have the next top 5 video planned by the way?

[@Murphy82nd]

Come on. If you didn't realize this title was click bait you're either ignorant or fooling yourself. Right after it posted you even had a comment saying you expected a bunch of flak.

[@TheBrokenLife]

+TFB TV The only real emotion this piece provoked in me was "I should get more mags..." and "I wonder what the "standard" equivalent to the Colt mags there are for AKs". So thanks for nothing on both counts! Now I gotta spend more money and your AR video didn't cover AKs. ;)

[@colinmatlock2164]

+Maxwelhse for AKs it's steel combloc mags that you want. doesn't really seem to matter where they are from cause they all work the same. if you wanna get fancy, which I often do, pick up some bakelite mags. very light and very good but more expensive than steel. magpul ak Pmags don't work in one of my AKs without modification so I steer clear of them. tapco mags are very cheap and have always been 100% reliable but I would not trust them for anything other than range shooting because of their lack of reinforcement on the locking lugs. anyway long story long steel surplus mags

[@takistanirefugee3079]

At least you can still make them "tacticool" by adding Original Mag Puls.

[@HughesEnterprises]

Made from skinned paracord and duct tape.

[@ryanhebert7591]

Yeah because i remember when my pmag didnt work for my $10k stoner

[@deeremeyer1749]

Got a $100 bill says my $1500 "homebuild" AR will shoot circles around your "Stoner".

[@en4orser]

Fighting words

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

@@deeremeyer1749 why would you want to shoot circles around a gun

[@MISOFdsraceteam]

*double checking the stoner vid... it has a rail. It’s actually a Robinson arms m96 but yeah it’s the closest to having a stoner

[@jimelzenga]

It will perfectly work in a what would stoner do 2020 tho

[@andrewghabel2924]

I've shared all the experiences mentioned in this video. Also new gi mags are made with anti tilt followers making them just as reliable as a pmag.

[@K5_Chris]

Palmetto State Armory sells their USGI style mags for $9.95 on their website, I own several and love them

[@juztinking8813]

Sanding the mag body where it fits in the magwell will make it drop free. You can sand down the body further if it doesn't fit in your gucci AR. The PMAG are more reliable and more durable than the GI mags. I've seen quite a few GI mags having issues as they get dropped on the feed lips, causing the rifle to have all sorts of malfunctions.

[@danw7156]

That’s why I always suggest testing your mags before going to war. I was issued about 12 metal GI mags in Iraq, and they all worked fine...and still do 15 years later.

[@UncleDonDon]

Personally, I'm a fan of PMags. They work perfect in my self-built Palmetto State Armory Multi-15. Come to the range and I will show you how well a $400 rifle functions.

[@davidking7554]

USGI mags equpoed with Magpul followers are great. That's most of my magazine stash. My personal favorites are Lancer mags, but I do have some Pmags too. What I don't like about Pmags is they don't fit so well in a lot of mag pouches.

[@WatchingYouTube1234]

USGI mags are NOT steel. The military spec has always been aluminum.

[@SEAL7471]

Personally I've had no issues with either type. I like the look of the standard colt mags more but when it gets cold I am always reaching for the plastic mags.

[@OveToranger]

Options and choices...they're out there for everyone :) Good to hear there was a thought through reasoning behind it !

[@Hunter-dv1qu]

my Pmags drop just fun out of my M4 i love the D60s there great

[@kenmvilla]

when I was in the army, sometimes I saw feed lips bent. We could just straighten it back out with a gerber. A couple of times I saw a pretty good dent right in the body of the mag, somehow it still fed. If it didn't, you could just pull the floor plate off and pinch down on the wall with a gerber and it would fix that dent. And boom you're back in business. Not sure if you could fix polymer if that thing cracks right in the middle, or you slam the feed lips hard enough. I know the marines use pmags now, so I would think it's all good. Just my experience. I like to stick with the old STANAGs

[@bdeyebdeye1465]

Note you're trying to stuff a wrong mag into the mag wells. Use Gen 2, gen 3 p mag has a lip for mill spec m16 m4 to help from over seating the mag. Gen 2 P mags don't have the lip and insert clean. Insert slight tug downwards to make sure it's locked in and you're set to rock.

[@allensanders4204]

Read milspec Pmags , then he starts dragging out overpriced eurocrap semiautomatic rifles. Our MILITARY Armour procurement office is now buying Pmags for use in M4 rifles in service.

[@TheAlexagius]

So you've basically just missed the entire point of the video? Alex, the video maker himself, doesn't use them because he owns non ar15 type rifles. The video is called "Why I Don't Use PMAGs" not "PMAGs are bad".

[@nunya3163]

@@TheAlexagius Click bait title. He is telling us that he does not use them, because they do not fit his firearms. That's like saying he does not use Glock mags, and then finding out that it is because he owns a 1911.

[@DerMeister821]

Robinson Arms is eurocrap?

[@ojh022]

I run P-Mags on my HK 416 and have never had any problem that I didn't have with the issued magazine.

[@belluh-1iroquoishuey343]

HK 416 or Civillian one? (MR556)

[@rustynail246]

You all missed the point of this video. The guy's trying to show the GI aluminum mag works in all guns, and PMAG only works in the ARs reliably. I am also sick of Magpul's G1 G2 G3 bullshit. I'll stick with whatever that works every time.

[@dpunch5192]

"Why I don't use PMAGs." *Has an EMAG in the thumbnail*

[@engineer2001]

If we're nit-picking, he said he prefers USGI "steel" mags at the start too. At 0:05.

[@junkersintutus4282]

@@engineer2001 Yeah, Aluminum GI mags are supposed to be disposable...

[@SlavicCelery]

@Jeff Wilkins C-Products make steel bodied USGI style magazines. Half the thickness of aluminum mags. I've had really good luck with them overall. Which is more than can be said about all the various polymer mags I have tried.

[@SlavicCelery]

@Jeff Wilkins All I mean by that phrase is I've had no reason to doubt them over the last 10k rounds. So I don't see a reason to doubt them in the future. But, I shouldn't assume future results are always based on previous ones.

[@SlavicCelery]

@Jeff Wilkins also, I got a sample size of 15-20 of them. Which is fair, but I could have exceeding good luck. That said, a lot of people swear by C-products 6.5 grendal mags.

[@paulb4478]

HK always finds a way to make you use their proprietary magazines and p mags are made on a mass scale for AR-15s if you have the money for a scar or any of these other rifles just by the correct magazines

[@trsgringo]

This is real problem due to all the SA80 / L85A1 rifles in use in the USA.

[@The-Skinn]

All I own is PMAGs and that’s all I plan on owning. Top notch!

[@VashPlissken45]

Gotta agree with you man - PMAGS are great but there is nothing like some good old aluminum and steel mags.

[@JuanWick209bkaAngel]

The rifles you mentioned require their own proprietary mags, but most have since changed their magwell design to accept polymer mags.

[@father6371]

does it bother anyone else that he completely removes his finger from the trigger after every shot?

[@jimblane1183]

It probably doesn't bother the bad guy that he's missing low and right.

[@omicrondec]

Jason Foulks, that is weird...

[@-rexarms3660]

And this man has the balls to tell us that a mag that wasn’t meant for his 5k rifle won’t work in it so he’d rather have shit mags with followers that get stuck halfway down the mag because there is no anti-tilt.

[@TacticoolVIKINGBeard]

Yes... I Gotta go off the reset... Lol

[@MississippiJarhead]

Comes from using too many different platforms. Reset can be markedly different on various makes/models. This is why I only stock, train with, and use mainline variations of Stoner’s AR10/15 design. (I am also quite familiar with Kalashnikov’s AK47/74 designs but ARs are where it’s at as far as bang for your buck goes, these days.) It keeps life simpler.

[@funnyhispanic]

hey alex to be honest i love the gi issue mags and the look is beautiful and i use them almost exclusively with my armalite m15 a2 rifle just for the vintage aspect

[@tinman9341]

I see your point and it’s a well made point. I’ve never had problems with pmags to this day but I’ve only used it in AR only rifles. That would be a concern if I’d be going into some other platform. Thanks for the great info!

[@JoMammaSmurf]

I've been falling out of love with P-mags. I really like lancer mags and good ol duramags.

[@The_Fit_ness_monster]

I’ve used pmags for years in combat and otherwise, pmags are and always will be superior to gi mags. And that dropping problem can be solved by grabbing the mags for changes like you’re supposed to.

[@shaunc5102]

Never had anything of these issues with Gen 3 or Gen 2 Pmags in regular 5.56 Rifles

[@wcdjmase]

Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain.

[@tfbtv]

Certainly one of those things that us civilian shooters tend to not think much about, but military men are all too familiar with. Hell, in one video I mentioned how the Thompson weighing 12 pounds was a detriment but most people piped up and said that wasn't a big deal at all (the 20 year old guy marching for days across Europe with it and a full loadout would probably disagree).

[@Pro2AGuy]

BTW, this includes "Human" pounds that are equally important yet not equally addressed IMO...

[@wcdjmase]

+Pro2AGuy very very true.

[@jakejones3501]

And pain equals weakness leaving the body. weight up, boys!

[@whocares5188]

pmag is made for ar15s the most common type of rifle in the US and they beat any other mag. you can put a 12 gauge slug in the middle of one and it will still work. If you got a over priced junk 556 rifle that don't take pmags you should blame the rifle. pmag is the most popular mag out there. the GI mags one little dent and the follower will get stuck. so your 1800 dollar rifle is only as good as the mag in it.

[@flydriveride]

Difficulty dropping a PMag out of a Daewoo?!? Pmags were designed for the AR-15/M-16 platform. Get real on your comparisons. Of course a sloppy GI falls out of anything. Unrealistic comparison.

[@1BeGe]

Once I got the PMAG into my sidearm and it didn't drop free then either. Damn you magpul...

[@gcarvlin]

Pros and cons to both, some comments on the mag pouches being snug with pmags is 100% true. They are more durable, though. Weirdly I’ve found my old 20 round metal mags to be the most reliable of all of them.

[@rodiculous9464]

Look into the military testing that the army and airforce did, pmags outperformed every other by a wide margin and also have a better feed angle for m855a1 or other exposed penetrator tip rounds. It even laughably outperformed the epr mags specifically designed for the round

[@Eastwood007x]

All you really need is a Toyota Tacoma. ;)

[@awesomeologyism]

You're thinking of the Hilux, one of the most reliable trucks on the face of the planet

[@AnthonySL11]

Aye shut the fuck up

[@gooondie]

“I don’t use pmags because they don’t drop free from my Stoner 63” Rich guy problems

[@some_cool_random_guy]

fr

[@StinkyTeal]

0:07 USGI mags are aluminum, not steel. Quit watching after this. You should work in a gun shop.

[@tylerfrizzell5699]

Pretty sure both steel and aluminum stanag magazines can be found in military armories. My unit has crates of them. Absolutely plausible that there are some somewhere.

[@rustyshackleford17]

I think most people refer tho USGI magazines as aluminum ones, but there are a lot of steel ones out there like FN and HK mags.

[@matthewkidwell4334]

So they don't work well in antique or obscure weapons?

[@tymccutchen]

Pmag, GI mags with magpul followers, lancer and colt 20rnd GI mags only thing I use. To each there own.

[@vicariousreality6176]

I love PMAGs, but the USGI ones fit better in magazine pouches for me, particularly the doubles.

[@L1LegoAnimations]

Makes sense to me. "I like to be able to use one pile of mags in most all of my guns in that caliber" is a valid reason to standardize on one over the other.

[@SmokinLoon5150]

Good vid. Job well done. I use all USGI, but do own a few Lancer 20rd mags.

[@rotorheadv8]

I have never had one break. I have a couple dozen I use for training in my security company. He have around 75 guys who qual and train regularly they haven’t broke one yet. They excel at breaking things.

[@thexsandxassain]

I broke a gen 1 AK Pmag but I know the gen 3 steel reinforced ones won't do that. I kinda like metal magazines though they look cool to me.

[@Knight_of_the_Old_Code]

I like my PMAGS, but I have gone back to using Okay Industries mags; specifically the gray-colored E2 version. However, if Magpul would make a hybrid mag like Lancer with the polymer body and steel feed lips, I'd buy those in a heartbeat!

[@jerseyjackrabbit2829]

My issue wirh pmag is the cheap ammo carriers cant properly hold one. They make them to fit the steel mags. Put a pmag in and they are usually too tight to pull in or out.

[@spldrong]

you are missing the BEST magazines.... Lancer!

[@johndegroff3870]

spldrong This does not mean too much but the only double feed or jamming problem I have ever had was with a brand new lancer L5 war fighter magazine.

[@rsuninv]

The Lancers I've purchased are jam-o-matics.

[@Ballista762]

I bought one. It’s garbage.

[@rustyshackleford17]

Never had an issue with my 40 or so lancers. They did have a batch they recalled a while back. Alex C is a collector, I wouldn't be surprised if he has several oddballs that won't work with lancers.