A Pistol Chassis for (almost) Every Gun: The Donaustahl Odin 2

[@W1ckedRcL]

That "no plastic shit, it's German quality" absolutely sold me.

[@johnsanko4136]

Not gonna lie, I had wondered if it was mostly polymer, or if it was metal that would be more firm.

[@ETHRON1]

You know it...

[@humorlessclown]

Same!

[@ChrisHuppey]

My BMW would disagree.

[@W1ckedRcL]

@@ChrisHuppey BMW's are made of plastic though..

[@JimmDogg76]

Now THIS man would fit right in at an American gun show. Triple XL shirt? Check. Lazy facial hair? Check. Bald spot? Check. Bombastic claims? Check? 10/10. Would buy firearms from this man.

[@antjeeismann4684]

This guy from Donaustahl did a great job at presenting

[@Kesssuli]

To be honest that actually looks very compact and no bullshit design. Far simpler than Roni systems. I could see potential for european market where pernament style stocks for pistols are bit no go.

[@Kesssuli]

@Valiforni Do it have much of real world use ? Depends. Personally i would use it with first time shooters to get bit familiar with weapon while actually making hits to intended target whitout being frustrated to poor results. Maybe in some cases you could compete in carbine class with that installed. But in all seriousnes if that thing would be bit cheaper i definelty would consister to get it for fun if nothing else.

[@kressnt3984]

@Valiforni if i remember in some countries in Europe youre only allowed to have a certain amount of semi-autos. This is for those consumers so they don't have to buy another gun just so they can have a PCC. TFB reviewed a crazy glock kit that just replaced the whole slide assembly and it is for that same niche

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

@@kressnt3984 In Germany, all PCCs are considered long guns and have a magazine limit of only 10 rounds. A pistol in a chassis can have 20 round magazines --> more fun! What you said is also true, you have to be a bit stingy with the entries in your gun permit, because after a certain amount of guns the administration can demand proof that you actually shoot at least 50% of your guns in matches on a regular basis (because that's your legal basis to own guns: you want to shoot sports matches). Add to all this that a pistol chassis, even an expensive one, is usually half the price of a PCC in Germany, and you got yourself a winning concept!

[@SymonSR20]

@@kressnt3984 I don't know about other countries but here in Slovenia we don't have regulations about numbers of firearms. But I do have even cheaper system Recover Tactical 20/20 and I can say that it's fun system. With red dot it's so much easier to shoot that it's like cheating. And yeah from what I know you can compete in PCC class in some cases/competitions. I would call my 20/20 "poor mans' PCC" and that's not a bad thing. Odin 2 is not that cheap but the fact that you can use it on all picatinny equiped pistols is kinda worth it.

[@nolanwalmsley4216]

Making a universal system like this is a much better idea than having fun specific designs. The possibilities are nearly endless

[@hendrikg3616]

Buddy of mine uses the gen 1 with his P226 X-Short and a Falke LE sight. Works perfect and really makes fun.

[@BlueJayWaters]

When it gets brought down another hundred or 2, I'll definitely take this over some other designs. I sincerely think the civilian PDW is slept on and making something that can fit the majority of pistols out there, given the wide range of people's finances and skill, and giving them a platform to maximize home defense or other boog scenarios is gonna be the next big thing with guns. I'm calling it

[@russellweber3466]

I had a German Shepard named Odin and a yellow Lab named Thor, they loved guns.

[@Perry2186]

werid i have a german shepard named Lakota and a lab named Cheyanne

[@russellweber3466]

@@Perry2186 Do they love guns and fireworks?

[@ETHRON1]

Reminds me of the first optic rails for Pistols, you know the ones, that attached via the bottom rail with the shroud around the gun and a pic rail on top forward of the ejection port...mainly for Race zguns in the 80s and 90s...

[@LL-my5rl]

Think those are called bridge mounts

[@gregkollaeg2365]

They are static. You are always on target. No G-force for the optic. Way better than on the slide.

[@VeryFastRodi]

Love the reaction: P10-F Was thinking he would say Walther without blinking

[@justcoffee3617]

No plastic shit!!!! I love this guy

[@joelclark2130]

I think any 10 mm with a longer barrel on that system would be great

[@williammccaslin8527]

Thats what I was thinking for my G40, with a 12 in barrel

[@emmw7794]

As soon as I saw this I was thinking what 10mm can i pop in this thing

[@ryanmcgurk1750]

assuming the brace bullshit works out in our favor i imagine these would be incredibly popular, turning any handgun into a pdw is a great concept

[@Statusinator]

>pistol >adjustable folding stock >vertical foregrip >barrel shroud Dianne is turning like mad in the grave she's unfortunately not in yet.

[@Bernie_747]

Nice and informative video - pls keep going and bring more from IWA 👍👏

[@ViktoriousDead]

I just can’t imagine paying the price of a firearm for a chassis for another firearm, at that point you might as well just buy a small PDW as opposed to this chassis $700+ US cost will add another $200 on there and then whatever markup each seller puts on it.

[@morecarstuff]

oofff at $700 thats a no for me. got an fx-9 american made, Aluminum for $550 so 700 for a chasis is a NO. Recover tactical has them for glocks for $200.

[@thomas-son9281]

Yeah there’s no way I’m spending that much on one of these

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

At this price, it's primarily interesting in the German market where normal pccs are considered long guns and therefore limited to 10-round magazines (20 for a pistol). Also prices are higher here and any pcc will cost you at least 1200 Euros. Additionally, you don't want to waste space on your gun permit because you can't get unlimited amounts of semi-autos until the administration will start harassing you with demands like proof of regular shooting matches for 50% of your guns and stuff like that.

[@GruntBurger]

This is great, because I own hundreds of different handguns from every manufacturer.

[@mrshort2379]

now that is neat!! I have to agree with him, the majority of pistol brace/stock systems are for certain brands only.

[@frostblasts]

Simple, smart, and interesting solution.

[@jazz.560]

This looks like the actual best one yet

[@ipanzerschrecku4732]

So how long before the ATF says no can do like the brace debacle?

[@emergingloki]

I was just waiting for him to troll James and say the Hi Point JXP. Would have loved to see his face 😂

[@ECTT1776]

It’s cool & I’m not a “just as good” kinda guy so I don’t mind paying the $ for quality. However $500 for the basic & $700 for the max daddy seems pretty steep. I would have thought they would make it more competitive in pricing with the other pistol chassis’s on the market. Side note my experience with things like the Gen1 & Gen2 MCK RONI’s have been gimmicks that I can’t get to zero as the gun moves to much when inserted into the chassis. Anyone else experience this. Side note I used both a Vortex Sparc & Sig Romeo 5 & couldn’t zero either of them.

[@dillonc7955]

Keep in mind this is a chassis that can fit most modern handguns. I can understand your reasoning if it was just a Glock chassis or P320 chassis, but the value is there especially if you own something that isn't a Glock or SIG. Makes me wonder how something like a Walther PDP would work on the basic model of this thing, given it's a pattern that's essentially made to host an optic.

[@Duwurf]

My roni was no problem to zero and had no problem to keep zero. Pistol doesn't move an inch inside the chassis. Cheap holosun btw.

[@emmw7794]

It's German, dude

[@ECTT1776]

@@emmw7794 both sides my family are of German descent, think I could get a discount? I mean my last name is Weitzel. Now say that with a German accent…Vietzel. That’s gotta at least be worth 10% off right?

[@ECTT1776]

@@emmw7794 wanna hear something weird ? My initials are EW….that’s the initials of your YT handle 🫢

[@snakeace0]

Eeeh Am i the only one thinking about using this with the FK Brno in 7.5mm? wasnt there speculation that the latest tungsten rounds could even defeat level 4 plates? This would make one hell of a small but impactfull PCC with some actual oomph behind it

[@emmw7794]

Yeah you don't nee to SBR an accessory, just pop it on when you neeed it/ Go frrom Felon to law abiding within seconds

[@ROCMASTA1]

As a fellow FK Brno owner I was thinking the same thing. I want it!!!!!!!

[@Zeboki]

The 7.5 FK BRNO always seemed like a good candidate for PCC, this almost makes that a reality.

[@Unsername6785]

I was thinking the same thing i just got my fk and found out the stock option would be hard to get because they only made so many this is better in every way i just want to know how to get one here in the United States

[@generousghibli6031]

It seems really great. I really like that it's solid metal, and that it doesn't rely on putting any pressure on the back. That being said. I wanna put a Deagle in it.

[@JimCook]

Thats awesome, I was watching another pistol chassis video and was thinking that the front rail would be a good mount, then wam, here you are with it just a few hours later.

[@BishopBlast]

Love it….

[@MaximumNewbage]

Fk PSD would be best for this, because of its rifle-like performance. Flatter shooting, and longer range than virtually any other other pistol caliber, so it will benefit most from this. Only thing they really need for this to beat the MCK is a quick attach and detach method. MCK's biggest selling point is that you can have your pistol on you as CCW, and if shit hits the fan, but you have some time to react (eg active shooter in diff part of building or across a large parking lot shooting at other people), you could ostensibly pull the MCK out of your car or office cabinet, and turn you ccw pistol into a carbine in less than 10 seconds. MCK is the best way to have a "truck gun" without making the absolutely idiotic move of actually leaving a live firearm in a vehicle unattended.

[@earlytimz]

Definitely agree with your last sentence.

[@Unsername6785]

Do you think it could handle the power of 7.5 without breaking

[@MaximumNewbage]

@@Unsername6785 probably. It's still a pistol cartidge

[@thomaswhertzler1907]

I want to see this on a S&W R8. Just for kicks.

[@erroneous6947]

I don’t know that I would want my left arm forward of the cylinder on a .357 mag. That’s just me.

[@TheIntellectualSlacker]

Big Big Iron

[@thomaswhertzler1907]

@@erroneous6947 there are smart ways to do dumb things. Lol

[@ericc8790]

Ingeniously simplistic design. We’ll done.

[@usonumabeach300]

Would totally get this for my fnx45, just need a 16" barrel to go with it. Or remove SBRs from regulation...

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

Or just don't register it. Completely legal to own this and a pistol; but not when you add them together. What makes this nice is you can ship it to your home with no FFL check. If you're worried about getting raided, then don't keep the pistol in the chassis all the time.

[@earlytimz]

@@stoptrackingourdata8158 I mean, I agree but other things are also legal until they pin you with "intent".

[@RapturesBounty]

​@@stoptrackingourdata8158 everything is legal until you get caught. This is very poor advice

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

@@RapturesBounty it's completely legal to own the chassis and the pistol separately. It's not legal to have them put together without a tax stamp. Completely different than owning something that's illegal all the time and hoping you don't get caught. You have poor comprehension.

[@donh1572]

I never understood why we didn’t see more of these universal pic rail chassis in the past

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

I never understood why the hell did these manufacturers always make it so chunky

[@Furluge]

Well for one reason if you're in the USA they'll say this is an SBR.

[@donh1572]

@@Furluge it’s Modular so you can figure it multiple ways to skirt SBR registration

[@Kriss_L]

@@donh1572 The whole point of this is the stock, which would be an SBR. Taking that off would make this pointless.

[@donh1572]

@@Kriss_L nope, it looks like the arm brace ruling is falling apart. Plus SAS sling method works very well with pistol chassis. Making 100 yard shots easy

[@steven3379]

This is cool! I got a X-Ten & 92x RDO Compact waiting to try one on..!

[@MrKingArthurhk]

Sargent Schultz finally knew something.🤣🤣

[@samuelbranton1881]

my 1911 already kinda rockin like this but I like it push forward!

[@SirKingsize]

Donaustahl a fresh new Brand with a lot of potentiel! Cool guy and Cool Chassis! Like it!

[@dillonchamberlain]

Looks flexible. Won’t your point of impact shift left when that arms flexes and bends left as you pull it into your shoulder?

[@rickrobinson8417]

aluminum is flexible?

[@NiSE_Rafter]

@@rickrobinson8417 Slightly so yes. All metal is "flexible" to a certain degree.

[@meklu]

@@NiSE_Rafter I hate it when my AR receivers flex every which way when shouldered. What an awful rifle platform.

[@dillonchamberlain]

@@meklu gotta love that with the 1st amendment any idiot can respond. You totally have the right to show your stupidity

[@meklu]

@@dillonchamberlain Glad to be of service.

[@timjeezyy]

Very good idea just attaching the brace to the pic-rail 🔥

[@RightClickAnxiety]

I crack up during these intros where James is walking with the backpack on, looking like an 8 year old on the first day of school.

[@davidgcalderone]

This is the first chassis system I would buy

[@jonnyl2001]

Favorite interviewee so far. Personality in spades

[@jeffd5113]

these need to come the US..I know I would purchase a couple

[@triggerfingerstudios]

If I was in the market for something like this, this is what I would go for.

[@granitejeepc3651]

finally what we been wanting.....universal and metal....sign me up

[@nickdevault5717]

With the enclosed version, would a silencer and booster assembly work underneath that?

[@der_picard3370]

As long as the silencer is as slimor only a bit bigger in diameter than the guns slider ...yes !

[@sethpenna1440]

finally something for my P01

[@sprocket8934]

Great minds...

[@InTheFleshInc]

Okay I want one for one of my taurus G2C because I have 4-32 rd magazines and this would turn it into a controlled shooter.

[@giarcsavage]

Being able to hot swap different pistols into it, that's brilliant. wonder how it would fare with something spicy, on full auto?

[@underballbutter]

Great concept. Being able to flex your concealed carry into a nightstand PCC

[@morecarstuff]

i need this for my 5.7 ASAP. unless recover tactical comes through. the Roni and Apex are already on their last legs with all the new stuff coming out!

[@FirstnameLastname-qc3xx]

Dude yes. I need this

[@nobilismaximus]

When installed does that make it an SBR

[@LifeisGood762]

I wonder if the ATF would let you register the chassis instead of each pistol as an SBR.

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

You can do whatever you want if you just don't register it. You won't need to register the chassis when you buy it because it's not an FFL item.

[@Kriss_L]

@@stoptrackingourdata8158 Eh, the chassis would probably not be an NFA item, but the AFT loves constructive intent, so if you had one of these and any handgun it would fit I could see charges for each one. And I have no faith that the jury would not convict for violating an unconstitutional law.

[@lolk4530]

This chassis reminds me of those school desks with the bar on one side that connects straight to the chair.

[@stll36]

I understand the concept that this will be easy to conceal but I don’t see the purpose when considering the cost. Especially when trying to compare them to a legit PCC. Just buy a dedicated PCC that has a barrel length that will provide increased ballistics for the $700 and keep you pistols as they are… Also on the open version, James when you took a wrapped grip it looked like your thumb was right in front of the muzzle

[@CraftySasquatch]

Agreed. Laws change so fast nowadays this was a great idea a week ago now it’s not a necessary practical type of gadget. It’s nice to see that manufacturers are trying to remain a company through the rapidly changing landscape of our gun industry.

[@eddyflo2978]

Yup! Well thought out point

[@danielcruz2256]

Bc most pcc are over a grand and suck bc they can't use the same magazine as your carry pc . And then the longer barrel just makes it concealing harder ,if you can even conceal it at all.

[@rickrobinson8417]

@@danielcruz2256 uh no. ruger pcc, sub2000, s&w fpc, cx4 storm, hi point, and others are well under a grand. And they all use same mags as pistols.

[@stll36]

@@danielcruz2256 exactly what @rick robinson says.. I picked up my Ruger PCC for $500 a few years back, although since then they’ve bumped up to ~$600. The Ruger PCC takes the same magazines as my Glock 19. It’s not as quick to deploy but breaks down in half and can be concealed in a bag. The sub2000 takes Glock, Smith, Beretta mags and folds, also there is the new s&w PCC take M&P mags that is sub $700… Not sure how much water your position holds against this argument…

[@CCPvirus141]

Wow now this is a game changer.

[@dustinlerch9272]

Where’s this available?? Still can’t see a product to buy

[@virgiljohnson4260]

how does it fit into the TAF pistol brace crap?

[@jacobstaten2366]

I love this idea and I hate that it has taken this long for anyone to follow through on the idea. This would be great if you have multiple different guns and use the minimal version. The Roni or the full version of this having a dot rail on top means that pistol has to live there after you sight the dot.

[@ericmacfarlane4249]

I'd like to see a version with a Picatinny rail at the rear for stock mounting. That should make it much less bulky when folded. I'm picturing this with a 10mm pistol as a woods gun

[@charles_maldonado]

I’d be a little iffy with it only being supported on one side. It looks like it already has the mounting point on the left for another rod. I think that would add peace of mind for me at least.

[@wilemelliott]

Hmmm, we a good kit for a FK Brno PSD for those of us in the US who can't get the FK Brno stock [of course with the stamp to keep it legal]

[@LifeisGood762]

Perfect gun would be Beretta 92x performance. Steel frame and manual thumb safety.

[@a.wheeler7731]

Does this make pistols into SBR?

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

@@peterangles1231 Not if you don't tell anyone about it.

[@ThatsOPV]

This not bad, been waiting for something decent for the psa rock

[@Dawn_Raider]

Ah, I happen to have a CZ P10F and a Walther Q5 SF. I guess I need one.

[@_Delta_P_]

looks like a much faster instal of your EDC pistol than all the american made chassis where you have to put on charging handles and what not.

[@ZeekEST99]

As with probably most people, "no plastic shit, it's German quality" is all be needed to say 😂

[@pripjatyfighter3786]

Finally, somebody make the universal chassis that needs to be on the market from years

[@sealove79able]

A great neat very interesting video and chassis.It is great for the CCW in a shorts.

[@drez13]

Genius design

[@arktactical6112]

Our good ol AFT bois would classify this as a SBR

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

It's not even classified as a firearm since it's just a chassis. No FFL required. B&T already imports a similar chassis into the US.

[@fancyultrafresh3264]

Oooo it could fit my PF9

[@HawaiiFoodAndFun]

If you've ever bought a pistol chassis and the ATF came and shot your dog, go ahead and hit that Like button.

[@thejohnjosh]

Can I fit the Mark 23 in this?

[@security225]

Very cool would love to try my steyr In one of these. Though I cant help but to think someone is bound to come up with a 3D printed version of this soon after release.

[@teebirderv8]

I wonder if this would fit a deagle. A deagle carbine would be sweet

[@der_picard3370]

Any gun with a std picatinny...the sight mount mayby could be a bit to low for the big/high barrel of the DE...but you can dismount the sight mount an can use iron sights .

[@ericmitchell985]

Don't get me wrong, I love things like this, but these stock/brace kits don't turn handguns into PCCs, they turn handguns into more shootable handguns. Most handguns are going to be using a browning action, or some other moving barrel design, which isn't great for accuracy, compared to a fixed barrel on most PCCs. This one is interesting to me because you could mount some fixed barrels into this chassis, and have a more accurate base. If someone out there wants to light a pile of cash on fire, I'd love to see what a laugo alien would do in one of these. Also, this guy gave one of the best pitches I've seen at one of these shows.

[@nobilismaximus]

Should work fine on my M&P 5.7 x 28mm as it’s a fixed barrel.

[@joker2100]

I like it.

[@WhuDhat]

in the US, would you have to register (sbr?) each pistol you intend to house in the stock? if you had, for example 5 pistols you wanted to rotate into 1 stock.

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

If you're a real American, you do whatever you want without asking permission from the government. The chassis doesn't require an FFL, so order one and then just don't snitch on yourself when you put whatever pistol you want in it.

[@robertf6523]

Magnum Research Desert Eagle in .50AE with the 10in barrel, and suppressor, would go quite nicely in that (if it fits lol)

[@timjeezyy]

Any retailers ship these to USA, or are there any USA-based sellers? I visited the company website, autotranslated the German, but there was no option to ship outside EU.

[@Smok-_-em]

It's cool that they have a buffer tube meaning we can put a brace on it instead

[@Sun_Downer]

Brace version?

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

You can throw whatever AR brace you want on it.

[@iyn1911]

Is this considered a SBR?

[@williammccaslin8527]

Yes

[@ianray8823]

When you watch a TFBTV video high and hear a beep in the video but you think its your fridge door open alarm so you run to it even though all doors are shut so you rewind the video just to confirm yeahhh

[@ikesteroma]

You need to get the price down by at least $200 before I'd even consider this.

[@glockparaastra]

I’ve been looking for something for my CZ75 Shadow 1

[@anonymousAJ]

How long does it take to mount the pistol? Can I CCW and then if things get crazy whip this out of a bag and attach? How well does the optic maintain zero taking the chassis on and off?

[@Crazcosmopwnu]

Being that it mounts to a pic rail and looks like it has a good size screw nob rot the tightening lug I would think it would be super quick to put on.

[@der_picard3370]

less than 30 seconds if used to...

[@Mitsurugi2424]

Won't this have the same wandering zero issues all the other pistol chassis have?

[@MM-kv8ly]

Probably why they will offer the slide mounted optic version.

[@Mitsurugi2424]

@@MM-kv8ly that'll have the sme problem as the recover 20/20. Even with a red dot on the slide it's almost unusable because of how far you have to scrunch down on the brace...

[@atranimecs]

stephan striking the gun pose already sold it

[@joelsokoloff1980]

I like the concept, and despite the highish price, the modularity is a nice selling point. My big question, and this pertains to all these types of chassis(?), is how do you operate this weapon safely with a pistol that lacks a manual safety, like almost every modern combat pistol? It seems like a negligent discharge is all too likely. You couldn't operate it slung like a normal long gun.

[@earlytimz]

Good question. The roni has it's own safety built in. It flips down to cover the trigger guard on both sides. It's redundant for me since all my tools have safeties but you can choose to use, or not.

[@der_picard3370]

It IS the principle of modern plastic guns lje Glock to have no external safety...but 3 internal. So you cannot make a Glock 100% safe (In Germany it is the reason, why there are actually no Glocks in Police Service, since federal law says Police Guns need to be carried DECOCKED or fully EXTERNAL saved (blocked firing pin.....but a Glock is ALWAYS semi cocked when racked) But this is not important for the ODIN 2 device....the security of it has the standard of the gun in use...not more not less...it simply works.

[@joelsokoloff1980]

@@der_picard3370 I guess I still don't quite see how I could safely carry this weapon, outside of a range environment where slings aren't allowed anyway. I do understand the passive safeties that are integral to so many modern pistols and it those systems work very well when you can carry your pistol in a holster. The holster protects the trigger. But a long gun/PCC chassis like this needs an external safety if I'm going to buy it for myself or anyone I know. The trigger getting caught on your gear is just too likely for me to feel good about it. Thanks for your input, I think we just see it differently. To each their own, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't totally missing something here.

[@der_picard3370]

@@joelsokoloff1980plastic glocks are made for thumb users.... Any weapon enthusiastic specialist wears a (hopefully full Metal) pistol with external safety (F92) , external decocker (P226) or a Revolver (no safety necessary)...

[@hunterhess8433]

So could this withstand the recoil from something like a Desert Eagle or a .460 Rowland?

[@Unsername6785]

Thats what i want to know for my 7.5 fk

[@____EA____]

🤩OMG Thx! And please Taurus gun, may ask you to build one version with picatinny rail under the barrel for RAGING HUNTER 44 Mag 8.37 in.

[@damianbigelow9511]

Yeah I picked up my 1st hk mr whatever its called the other day and oh my good God the quality was insaine! I never knew their shit was that good... Even the finish had a sweet texture and was rock solid. I just didn't realize how nice it realy was but it spoke volumes of German quality!!! Edit: hk auto corrected to house...🙄 How? How tf do u get "house" from hk?

[@thedumbguncollector5546]

That guy is awesome

[@HanDrolo]

Desert Eagle carbine? With the 10inch barrel

[@daviddavis2658]

Dude i was ready to pull out y wallet seeing the p30l on there. Ive been looking for a chassis for mine since I got one

[@ericc.7000]

With that forward grip it's a no go in the USA, unless you go the NFA SBR route...