how was this allowed to be released??? 😱 WTF happened here!?

[@Neil3D]

Greetings! Just gonna write this here as I know it'll get brought up. Regarding the power draw, I'm well aware that i.e. GPUs like the 3080Ti have configurable TDPs set by the manufacturer, and it can range up to 175W for that, and supplying 120W is within spec. I intentionally didn't spend 2 minutes talking about this because it's not relevant and I hopefully got the point got across either way, but in a Precision 17" flagship workstation, those TDPs shouldn't be set to the lower end as people are paying that kind of money for performance. Obviously power = heat and noise which is an argument for doing this to keep it low, but if you want low power weaker system go buy a XPS or a Latitude, this is supposed to be the super insane work horse. Dell should have redesigned the entire chassis and called upon their years of experience to mitigate the high power draw with some new cooling layout, but instead they diluted and dialled it back to levels which are not OK on a Precision (imo). And all of this would have added 2 mins to the video so it wasn't worth putting in, so it goes here!

[@johnbovay8353]

Dell Precision 5540, here. I disabled Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 in order to tame excess heat and nearly 5,000 RPM fan noise. All I lost was some de facto over-clocking. This overheating is common to many Intel-based notebooks with thin bodies.

[@Mr-Payne]

I was one of the 5 people that attended your class at Autodesk University 2022 in New Orleans this year. You stood up on that stage with a Dell Precision 7770 and marveled at how amazing this laptop was. Doing rendering and VR at the same time without missing a beat. A Dell rep was there, a Intel rep was there and the 7770 was the best thing since sliced bread. I trusted you and Dell when my supervisor asked for recomendations last week and based off of what I was told at AU2022 I recommended the 7770. After the order is placed for THREE of them I come across this video. Extreme disappointment and frustration are pretty good words to use, maybe a little p!$$ed off too. If I go to #AU2022 I expect reliable information and that is certainly not what I got. #Autodesk #Dell

[@barsam2a]

Damn, this is interesting, thx for the info.

[@motordude67]

I am looking forward to Tech3D`s response to this.

[@Mr-Payne]

@@motordude67 yea me too. I suspect this video will be deleted first. I'm still hot about this. Betrayed. Mad!

[@Mr-Payne]

@@motordude67 after our IT department got 2 of the 3 set up for use, they fall flat on their face and were rejected by the design manager. Hopefully Dell will accept returns. This is a serious credibility hit.

[@Neil3D]

There's a rather intricate story behing what went on with that class, I'd wrote it out here but I think I'll make this a video instead as I feel it needs one. It'll be up today.

[@Berndt35]

About 2.5 years ago work bought me a 7740 for CAD use. After about a year’s use the visits form tech support started. The replaced the motherboard 8 times as well as every other component in the machine. Finally, they agreed to provide a replacement machine. A 7760 was delivered and after 6 months of having it, it started to self shut-down due to thermal overload. After a further 4 visits from tech support replacing even more motherboards, they agreed to provide yet another replacement machine. The 7770 turned up just before new year. I’m not holding my breath.

[@Maximus20778]

Maybe the thermal is garbage

[@MrJitendra007]

I got an almost new 7760. Liked the design..But thermals were sky rocket touching 100 degrees..absolutely not acceptable...I returned that machine and got fully refunded..I am back again to my 7710 again atleast 75max at full load..😅😅

[@benwernberg7488]

So what laptop would your recommend instead of this for 3D Modeling Programs? Sounded like there was a new one from MSI coming out soon?

[@SermedAlWasiti]

So I finally bit the bullet and got a refurbished Lenovo ThinkPad P17 Gen 2 from eBay, maxed out at 128GB RAM and an RTX A5000 with 16 GB. Overkill, you say? I work 80-90% in FEA, so I need every GB... It is an 11th gen, i9-11950, yes, but in terms of cost, for my personal system (not a business), it was just right...

[@fredif6806]

Thank you for such a truly powerful review. This is the only review that shows what the Dell Precision line has become, and, in principle, what Dell itself has become. I wish you good luck and look forward to new reviews)

[@axeldahmensoft-undhardware8102]

Thanks for this excellent and very eye opening review! It's too late for me, unfortunately. I bought one already 😭 … Two things I came across on my machine I think are worth mentioning: 1⃣ The keyboard is too small. I'm a software architect rather then a 3D CAD/animation modeller. So, the keyboard is my main input device. The 7770 CTO comes with a shrinked navigation key area on the keyboard (i.e. BACKSPACE, RETURN, ARROWS, HOME, END etc.). So, it's utterly hard to edit text using this keyboard. My former notebook was the DELL Precision M6700. It had a full keyboard. The new keyboard layout is completely unreasonable, as there is plenty of empty room left lateral the keyboard panel. 2⃣ The Precision 7770 CTO gets incredibly hot! I just updated the BIOS to v1.8. During the update I could hardly touch any keys on the keyboard without them being literally roasted. - This device just isn't made for professionals to work professionally with it 👿

[@cheoksc2231]

Hmm, I put on hold on this model just because Ada Lovelace is coming next and TB4 is just not good enough; and 7770 still does not have the 240W charging thru USB function; and the charger is not GAN; and.... so i still keep my 7720.

[@ayohughes]

This is happening to a greater or lesser extent with 2022 laptops across the spectrum i.e. from 13" thin and light Ultrabooks like the XPS 13 Plus through to beefy mobile workstations that we have here. My pet conspiracy theory? Intel blagged the OEMs into thinking that Tiger Lake big:Little was going to be a lot more efficient than it really is in practice. Yes, big power gains over 11th gen parts but disproportionately higher power draw to achieve that & crazy thermals even at idle/low power loads. Gaming rigs tend to have the thermal headroom to absorb this. Anything thin and light doesn't. It's just physics.🤷🏽‍♂

[@RoamerRealm]

Hi! Dell has now released the BIOS which you have talked about in your unlisted video. Did you happen to test another 7770 after the BIOS update? Not expecting a separate video but extremely curious of what you think about it (especially as a feedback for the users who have this system). Thanks!

[@rwill6629]

Agree with @RoamerRealm, @Tech3D would be providing a great service by commenting on the 7770 with new BIOS, especially since in the unlisted video he states he's heard it will offer "massive, huge, positive effect on performance….(but) is likely still nowhere near where it should be….so this is still a developing story"

[@imsuperzak]

Does this mean that it would be better for me to stick with my Dell Precision 7560 instead of upgrading to the 7670 or 7770?

[@AndreasA.S.]

Dell lost its way about 10 years ago. and i havent bothered looking for them. HP lost its way 20 years ago, burned a 1 year old 2000 touchscreen T1000 laptop ....well...i didint, it sparked and combusted on its own during a DJ gig due the nvidia defect they refused to acknowledge, mailed it back to them with no return label, with a note that said "G'Fd" it had already been in for repairs once only after 9 months

[@JeffreySBarrero]

Hey Neil, do you ever get around to doing the same test on HP ZBook workstations? After your intel 12 gen processor presentation, I can't wait to get my hands on one.

[@FliesEyes]

Were HP Z Books using Xeon or Core processors? Did they offer an option?

[@Neil3D]

The new ones will be Core HX as there's no more mobile Xeon. But nope I don't really have a route into HP any more although I'm gonna see what I can do! I really liked the last one I had which was a 2017 8th gen Z book that I received on the channel

[@JeffreySBarrero]

@@FliesEyes they did, but we picked i9 processors and they perform great. Now thanks to Neil's video it makes sense why they came with a 150W power supply instead of 200W like previous models, because they were sized based on video cards.

[@WhiteoutSnowy]

Interesting, did the latitude 7780 improved some ?

[@g1981c]

i have an older dell precision mobile that gets so hot i am afraid to burn my fingers just touching the magnesium chassis ... they just can't seem to get cooling right - even their Alienware Desktops with Liquid Cooling run hot - it is their actual policy to run their servers at 70C *exhaust* temperature ... and in case of these new laptops they clearly think their competition is macbooks which similarly are underwatted and undercooled ... my guess is they have done the research and realized the average customer wants thin and sexy not properly powered and cooled.

[@Neil3D]

If that's the case it's poorly done market research, because professional enterprise customers want units that work and perform properly and relative to the price paid. These don't.

[@bregowine]

Currently using a 7670 with the 12950HX processor, plugged to a WD19 docking station and it idles around 60C… going up to 80 with mild loads. Thought there was an issue with it, but I guess this proves it is the expected behaviour. Now I just wonder if it will significantly diminish its lifespan

[@jonathansturm4163]

Given my recent experience with Dell, this story doesn't come as much of a surprise. I'm a retired MS Professional and for ~25 years recommended Dell to my clients. A year ago I ordered an XPS to replace my aging HTPC. Alarmingly, running the installer on the HD resulted in a machine connected to a stranger's MS account. Dell support agreed that the machine was infected with a virus, but insisted that I'd somehow managed to accomplish this myself. Quite how I managed this prior to running the Dell-supplied installer was beyond the Dell support person's ability to comprehend. Needless to say that despite a quarter century of excellent service, it was time to seek a new supplier! One of my hobbies is digital "painting" and rather than my new high end workstation coming from Dell, I ended up having a box based on AMD's new Threadrippers built by new to Australia company Dream PC. They provided me with the kind of service Dell _used_ to provide, but at considerably lower cost. The ~$AU15,000 I spent (plus professional display and digitiser) is nothing to be sneezed at, but a long way short of what I would have expected to give Dell for a Xeon-based workstation. My second choice, LeNovo's website allowed me to _specify_ what I wanted, but no way to actually make the purchase. Emailing LeNovo's support merely resulted in my being placed on a list for company advertising! The industry has certainly changed a lot since my first 8088-based PC!

[@olirmsa]

great review, you taught everything needed to perform this important analysis. Can you check on the precision 5570, please

[@Appolyon99]

While I'm not getting anything this high end I was considering getting a 5570 (12800H + A2000). Would I be seeing seeing similar power/core frequency issues? Or should I go with the MSI M16 A12UJS?

[@BLITSFRAPPS]

What is the alternative ? And additionally after my own humble market research no workstation laptop has an adapted bigger than 240 W even for the 2023 versions

[@NotSure416]

I just picked up a 7770. 2 issues, and they're both with the keyboard. I have a squeaky spacebar, and the keys are literally hot. It's literally uncomfortable to touch.

[@mmcengineer1025]

i was just about to buy a new CAD laptop , your worth every penny of the money you just saved me

[@RichardAmesMusic]

I had a 7670 w/12950HX and it also suffered terrible performance. Max CBR23 was around 13,000. Even with those crappy numbers it got ridiculously hot so it’s obvious that Dell is throttling these things like crazy. I suspect they started with a size goal and worked from there. I suspect most of Dell’s business these days is corporate customers who are represented by their IT departments. And, let’s be honest, anyone who has worked in a business big enough to have a sizable IT department knows that they couldn’t care less about performance.

[@maxr32]

Yes its getting hot. But with a little bit of software tweaking you can easily hit >20k in CB23 even with the 12850hx....

[@RichardAmesMusic]

@@maxr32 20k on the 7670 or 7770? I could maybe see it on the 7770 but the 7670 just wouldn't pull enough power to get the scores up. No matter what I tweaked it would momentarily pull ~200 W at the wall then settle down closer to 130 W. I don't think I've seen anyone score 20k pulling such low wattage. Maybe a good topic for a follow-up video.

[@maxr32]

@@RichardAmesMusic Yes on 7670. Reached over 21k with 12850hx. But the results are not consistent. Went from max 17.6k out of the box to max 21.2k after tweaking.

[@trustedsource1273]

Thank you for this. I'll stick with my 7760.

[@sabishiihito]

Would using a 330w PSU like some of the Alienware laptops use (same barrel plug connector) make a difference, or would the 7770 not even recognize there is more juice for it to pull?

[@celeron55]

Dells don't like power supplies from other brands. It'll basically refuse to do anything with the PSU other than charge the battery.

[@masha_kasha5061]

Can you get a more powerful power supply or are they current limiting the power supply input 🤔. Seems to me if you can get a bit bigger power supply it might go way better but then idk how the thermals will fair

[@Neil3D]

Nope the 240w supply is the only one available

[@alexandrutoia9083]

I was thinking about the same thing. Would it work maybe if the workstation wouldn't be configured to the max, but on the limit to have delivered the less powerfull power supply (180w) and instead get the bigger one on the side (240w) and use it for the mid spec version? Maybe would be a good compromise if it would work. Any ideas?

[@DonchoMazhlekov]

I have 7770 with i9 and A5500... it's horrible. Thermal throttles when idle. It's built really well, but performance is abysmal. CB multicore score is about 16500 after warranty heatsink replacement, before that it was in the mid 14k's. Still - way, way lower than expected.

[@hbarudi]

Power throttling from just using the start menu? This is bad for a laptop with the price of a used car... I like the idea of maximizing performance on a laptop for running windows, but it needs to deliver especially that heavyweight Autodesk software that it is built to run on. I am looking at linux and it is a very lightweight OS compared to heavyweight windows not to mention you don't have to pay so much to get something worthwhile... There is open source 3d apps and possibility of simply coding it using languages like c++, java, and python to do the job.

[@danmoyer4650]

Great vid. Good to get a heads-up on what to watch out for if considering this new Dell. One question though: in all your closeup shots, why is there dandruff sprinkled all over the computer? You could easily just blow it off.

[@johnbishop507]

I am looking for a workstation with an i9-12900HX(or 12950hx) and RTX a5500. If the power supply is 240W or less, I should stay away?

[@ArcadiyIvanov]

Could you please do Dell Precision 5860 review?

[@RichardAmesMusic]

One other note on the 7670 - the one with the smaller battery does *not* have three NVMe slots as stated in the spec sheet (maybe they changed it by now). And there is no way, at the time of this comment, to put SODIMMs in the laptop. You need an adapter that is not yet available. Right now your only choice is CAMM.

[@maxr32]

You can order 7670 and 7770 with SODIMM so it comes with the interposer. The adapter is mounted in the CAMM slot.

[@aaronjones4529]

Just out of interest, does the BIOS support undervoltage tweaking? 1.6V +/- 0.02V is costing them massively in power and thermals on an already power limited machine... Can it be manually undervolted by the user to get closer to the true spec MHz of the cpu? Also does MSI Afterburner allow you to undervolt a mobile GPU? I have built, upgraded and repaired many many desktop PC's over the years on the side, but generally have refused to work on laptops as there can be massive underlying issues dependent on how they've been physically treated, as a result I'm not particularly familiar with laptop BIOSs. Recently I've built a couple of 12000k itx desktops and undervolted them during stability testing with amazing results: in my builds 12700k was pulling about 195W-200W in Cinebench r23, at about 69C-75C (on a dual radiator ITX build with the GFX card in the same waterloop but not loaded). Stable undervolt at stock settings otherwise brought that down to an amazing 140W-145W, resulting in 59C. Thats with the core voltage down to 1.166V ... If you can take the Precision 7770 down even a little bit manually, it should reduce thermal load so increase clock considerably, no? And again in my itx builds, I undervolt 3080 to 875mV, which also allows me to OC them slightly would you believe and still lose 50W... So if you can undervolt a mobile GPU, you could also see an increase in clock speed/performance within the limited power of the Precision 7770. Now don't get me wrong, the end user shouldn't have to do this, but I'm interested to know if it can be done and makes a significant difference? Thanks

[@Neil3D]

All good points but negative, there's no voltage control on the mobile workstations. I even tried using Throttlestop but that was completely locked out. They've always been super strict walled gardens have the pro models, even basic overclocking is locked out on a CPU model which has that feature.

[@danrepaci6015]

There’s a guide to enable undervolting and remove CFG lock on Dell workstations. Did it on 7750 Results were stable -100mv Used grub64.efi Setup_var CpuSetup 0x1D 0x1 Setup_var CpuSetup 0x1A 0x1 (Don’t quote me exactly I’m writing this from memory) That removed overclocking lock and CFG lock and throttle stop worked and so did Msi afterburner on a quadro rtx5000 One change in bios (disable HT) that I changed back on menu made those only turn off turbo and never worked again. Regardless the embedded controller would throttle the CPU to 80w within a 90sec timeframe using cpu graphics and if the quadro was on in any way PL2 would be over in 30sec when it was only at 80degrees. This was also after liquid metal and RTV seal

[@dosgos]

@@danrepaci6015 Dell has a lot of throttling schemes! For anyone changing variables, understand the risks and triple check the changes are applicable to your system.

[@goorthiss]

​@@Neil3D Undervolting CPU, GPU and replacing the thermal paste with Honeywell PTM7950 phase-change material should help. Likewise, replacing the thermopads with rubbery thermal paste K5 Pro, Laird Tputty 607 or Upsiren U6 Pro on vrams should also reduce thermal throttling.

[@owlmostdead9492]

Contrary to the name "performance mode" more often than not has reduced performance since it's hitting the CPU with too much voltage, unnecessarily increasing temperature and leaving less space for boosting.

[@Neil3D]

Yep but unfortunately it still has to be mentioned in some capacity because 'the internet'. If you don't show it, a ton of people will flame you with 'duhhh you didn't enable the fastest mode'. Which to be fair, if there's a setting called 'performance mode' then there's a fair expectation from any consumer that this should do what it says. Often it doesn't as you say, but that's a whole other discussion to go down.

[@russellmiller9380]

I own of these. I use it 60 hours a week. I have it sitting on the bestå laptop cooler but I’m aware of. Zero problems. Every port is occupied.

[@prcdslnc13]

I ran into almost this exact same deal with my 7560. Dell ended up refunding me 100% after several repair go arounds. Extremely disappointing.

[@sabt6468]

Got my work 7770 yesterday. GPU thermal throttling is bad. CPU still assessing.. Cinebench 23 scores 18000+, so it looks strong enough. Didn't run in Stability mode yet.

[@AnthonyGriz]

Sweet...I'll patiently wait - now I'm really looking forward to seeing that MSI review.

[@ilotey]

What are your thoughts on 5570 with i9?

[@frp1276]

I use one professionally... i9, 64gb, A2000 graphics. Love it. I suppose with more cooling capacity it would boost higher with all cores loaded but even 100% CPU usage and 100% RAM usage it stays responsive and productive. Slips into my bag without issue. Battery life is just ok. Everything else has been great

[@Supndrup]

Bittersweet video this, I was hoping to move to the 7770 when my IT mandated upgrade goes through next year. Based on this I'll just have to stick with a Precision desktop. Frustrating but thanks for the heads up Neil 👍

[@FliesEyes]

Before I went full circle back a desktop I had started to find that we avoid taking the big heavy cumbersome CAD Workstations anywhere and they just remained on the desk connected to 3 monitors.

[@Neil3D]

I had 100% intent to begin using the 7770 as my daily workstation, waited months for it so I'm legit gutted. Currently using the Titan though which has been a legend, seriously impressed with it

[@Neil3D]

@@FliesEyes Thing is if it was done right, this could have been as good as any desktop. And even the Titan isn't that bad to carry around i.e. too and from a car to an office as long as you've got a decent bag with decent shoulder supports... carrying it around for 8 hours at a convention whilst walking 6 miles is another story.

[@FreePizza007]

You forgot to mention that Titans have gaming 3D cards and the Dell has dedicated 3D CAD cards. The latter cards create more efficient rendering and faster for the equivalent power of the gaming “counterparts”. So it’s not just processor power Dell was considering. MSI does not offer CAD cards at this time AFAIK

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

i'm not a CAD person but i bought a second hand Dell Precision M6800 and i love tha Ease of Maintance of it and i wished they kept tha same design from tha M6800 with tha newer Precision laptop line! yea sure alot more heavier, but imo it's a better design plus it's easily fixable which Dell is sadly goin' away from and for someone like me, it's why i won't consider a newer Dell laptop newer than Precision M6800 for a general side use

[@durimister]

6800 has excellent form factor

[@FliesEyes]

With the latest 12th Gen processors from Intel I have gone full circle and gone back to a desktop as my primary machine. My secondary is a portable 15" 2in1 with a dedicated graphics and 16gb ram. My next phase for compute power is to virtualise my desktop with vgpu pass through so I can use it from, well virtually anywhere. I think the days of 17" CAD workstation monsters are numbered. Just out of curiosity, with number PCIe lanes available on the 12th Gen for desktop motherboards we consider these to be consumer grade architecture. HEDT and Workstation architecture is next level for dedicated resource allocation. Does DELL, MSI or HP typically provide documentation for motherboard layouts/block diagrams, PCIe lane allocation or Chipset controller management? I noticed you mentioned the 7770 had 4 DIMM slots. Is that quad channel or dual channel memory. Based on ddr5 memory performance the Z670 motherboards using 2 stick rather than 4 stick would be a wise configuration.

[@Neil3D]

I dunno like, like I said in the other reply, these can be as powerful as the best desktops if done right... unless of course you're doing something that can genuinely use dozens of cores on a server grade CPU or a threadripper. The Titan was as good as my desktop 12900K and used less power, and is portable, so I switched and dismantled the DIY build. But of course it isn't a black and white thing, some people have massively different use cases and requirements. Re diagrams, I'm not sure to what level of detail you'd need but some info is out there. Re the slots, I said in this video that it had 4x m.2 SSD slots not RAM slots. The 7770 at the moment is shipping with the new CAMM layout which isn't a traditional slot array, but I think you can spec in SODIMM modules on the configurator for dual channel... the Core platform doesn't support quad channel so it would be dual.

[@FliesEyes]

@@Neil3D sorry, the video mentioned 128gb of ddr5, so I assumed the motherboard had 4 x DIMMS slots. The Dual vs Quad channel memory limitations has been a question I have been researching for the new Intel generation of processors to understand the science behind this tech in an attempt to understand performance variation when combining the IPC and Freq specs together. Some have suggested that AMD and Xeons, even with lower freq but higher IPC can outperform 12th Gen. It would appear this calculation would be purely theoretically so testing some different systems might be the only way to validate performance. I haven't found any data to confirm this suggestion. Still not sure if the limation is due to the CPU memory controller architecture or PCB architecture, I think the CPU memory controller is the determining factor here not the PCB layers.

[@pablopicaro7649]

Don't need thinner or smaller, need more battery energy

[@Neil3D]

It's a mobile workstation / desktop replacement always has been, battery life isnt a priority on this line. They've got the thin n light Precisions for that which are based on the XPS

[@ShainAndrews]

What is the most annoying sound in the world? A synth drum track playing on loop at a level just low enough to not fully compete with spoken word... but not low enough to be ignored. Like little digital rim shots... on loop.

[@sparkybruce]

So I guess what you're saying is that I need to keep both of my maxed out 7750's for a few more years then.

[@Cwoody12345]

To comment on the end of your video, there are regulations that state the external of a laptop cannot exceed certain temps. Since Dell is marketing to the professional on a work environment this could have a factor as the MSI is geared more consumers that have less regulations. Just a thought

[@TyroneNorthcutt]

I am seeing issues with this and am pissed. It throttles on any load it is embarrassing and I know have to explain this to my boss who purchased it. Sad. Dell needs to step up or they will NEVER be another consideration even if they beat every single workstation when I am purchasing next time. Unforgiveable if they don't make this right. They are going to lose a large account in the near future with me for this. Unacceptable.

[@retrosimon9843]

Funny enough someone i know was complaining their older model precision was slow. And when i checked temps i had a mini heart attack. 100c and throttling. low clocks. Re-plugging the power supply fixed the low clocks and the fans ramped up but temps stayed at 95~100c. After a quick google search i learned that those temps were normal 🤷‍♂

[@vivek_v]

Please clean out the fans. Please. You will be surprised at how much dust builds up. I have seen temps decrease by nearly 25 degrees by simply cleaning out the fans.

[@tommarr654]

It sounds like they've tried to push them out as high spec low power consumption because of current energy prices, they've even made them look less imposing/hungry but what a mess.

[@Jordansklar0698]

i got a dell precision M6800 17.3in 1920x1080 laptop lol with Linux and it has 32gb of ram and a core i7 cpu and a nvidia quadro gpu works great for me lol

[@juleswilko]

So… is this an open goal for Zbooks? Or Lenovo ?

[@Neil3D]

Possibly! Depends on how well they've handled all the higher power parts. If they also decided to go for lower power limits and lazy re-use of old chassis designs then a gaming laptop could end up being genuinely more productive at a lot of pro workflows. It's all well and good having pro drivers, ISV support, pro support etc but when you're 50-60% down on actual performance against a comparable & cheaper gaming focused laptop, the narrative on that changes somewhat!

[@f00bar451]

There have been two product lines from @Dell over the past 20 years that you didn't even question, that being PowerEdge & Precision. Over the past 20 years, I have been the principle driver of over 5 million in Dell hardware. I just bought a 7770 & I am very disappointed in almost every aspect of the laptop. The keyboard up/down errors are almost unusable. The ambient light sensor is buggy, it gets hot enough to cook an egg on & it throttles the CPU from 4.8 GHz to 2.6 GHz because of their faulty design. I have sent a notice to the engineering department of my customer who is a very major & well known government contractor to avoid the entire **70 precision line.

[@vource2670]

Could you please do tutorials again

[@mastervorn6380]

I have worked in IT for years now and my company including others, Dell has them duped. My current Precision 5560, i7 11850H throttles like a mofo! We use the Dell recommended dock, checked HWinfo64, let plenty of air get to the back panel, only around 1.375V max but still throttles! For the amount we spend on these mobile workstations they have to improve these models!

[@vivek_v]

It's the same chassis as the XPS. What did they expect for such a thin and light laptop?

[@THE16THPHANTOM]

not getting that thing for its screen, no matter how fancy the options are. would be getting it for the power.

[@nghisus]

Just had a brand new 7680 cook itself even after turning Turbo boost off. Really dangerous and unacceptable.

[@dosgos]

Dell typically set low thermal limits for the GPU and CPU, say in the low 70*c and low 80*c ranges, respectively. The throttling schemes varied in the XPS and Precision laptop and might be stepped. Historically, the main issue probably was thermal limits to the case/fans/heat sinks; the 240 watt power supply is insufficient today but with the thermal constraints, a bigger power supply might not matter. Thin & light!

[@Neil3D]

It kinda doesn't matter which or whatever spin/reason is put to it, it's a complete failure from all angles. Let's say they did put a 70-80C thermal limit on this unit, it's just not feasible to expect a desktop sku to operate at those levels inside a laptop without severely underperforming. I've since seen some benchmarks from the Lenovo P16 with the same HX part and it's not much better by the looks of it. The Tier 1's really need to rethink what they're doing moving forwards.

[@dosgos]

@@Neil3D Agreed. This is a long-running marketing scheme in the premium "light & thin" laptop space. These laptops include "top-tier" components but size constraints require thermal & power limits. Dell has been doing this with the XPS & Precision for over a decade, but other laptop makers do the same. A thick case and big power brick can solve the problem. Really, these premium thin laptops should have lower-end components to fit the thermal & power limits of the case. But then the makers couldn't charge premiums for those nice Intel & nVidia chipsets. I will say, Dell has significantly improved the thermal & power design of the XPS & Precision over the years. Excellent cases, carbon fibre, screens and touchpads. Several years ago, modders could boost XPS & Precision performance a lot. These days it is not so easy as Dell has improved the laptop cooling/power delivery. And Intel is pushing the CPUs very hard so there is not much to undervolt.

[@vivek_v]

Temps are definitely contentious. I would certainly not want anything higher than 85 degrees when running a 24/7 load. GPU failures are a very real issue.

[@dosgos]

@@vivek_v Can't fight the physics. Higher temperatures degrade electronics at exponential rates. For sure, laptop GPUs, CPUs, and cooling schemes have improved quite a bit.

[@carlgustav7196]

Oh man, Get away from me with those dell „precision“ notebooks. I have one precision 5550 and it is the worst notebook I ever had. Instant thermal throttling, because they wanted to make this device ultra thin. The fan are pitching constant on frequencies, which make my dog cry. I had to disable turbo boost, to keep noise and temperatures to a manageable level. That thin design did not left any space for a lot of ports. 3 usb-c, one sd-card slot an a headphone jack. One of the usb-c ports is always occupied for charging, because the also small battery last only 30 minutes when using CAD. The keyboard and trackpad are also horrible. The key are sluggish. And the whole keyboard bounces while typing. But that cheap plastic trackpad is really an insult to the customers (shaking cursor, not detecting gestures correctly and randomly throwing the cursor around opened documents while typing). I could go on with the list of disappointments, but to conclude: To me it seams, that dell tried hard to make a copy of a MacBook but failed miserably.

[@piyush_chaturvedi]

Hah I was about to order one, but apparently here they only sell precision to corporations. Seems like dell's policy saved me this time.

[@freevideos051]

I like Dell's older laptops but I am kinda disappointed in Dell's newer laptops.

[@oviasifovihasan]

Thanks a lot. I Will go for msi gt77.

[@hefnyx]

I expect Dell to treat the 13th gen as a drop in socket, which means adding 8 more cores to this highly power restricted overvolted fiasco! I really hope that the company takes your assessment seriously.

[@kdb4u]

Preliminary info from Intel on the 13th gen now says that the Mobile cpu will not have the extra 8 cores, only the desktop will have them.

[@histrionicman]

Great job! Thank you so much.

[@corelninja2803]

Friend. Does anyone have one of these in use? Dell Precision M7730 17.3". I'm about to buy one in a few hours :/ Otherwise I'd better continue with my Dell Precision M6700

[@jamminb4688]

I have a 6800. Was just about to buy one as well. I guess I now know why the price is so right (ebay). Very disappointing. I'm going to run away.

[@sabt6468]

And with 128 GB RAM it will NEVER max out performance compared to 32 GB due to lower RAM speeds at such enormous amount

[@samiraperi467]

Throttling at idle "expected behavior"?

[@Neil3D]

The "expected behaviour" was in response to the overall collective of my feedback, they didn't really go any further into it after that so I have to assume that was the response to the thermal throttling as well, but it indeed does this on every one I've seen so far!

[@Darren-kw4ih]

That's disappointing I have always liked the precision laptops

[@owenkrysler8235]

The newer Precision models no longer have the premium feel. They have a horrible cheap looking chassis.

[@manolofeynman6851]

Sadly, there are more minutes that your face is seen than there are minutes that the specs are seen, etc.

[@robwoestenburg9363]

Good video but not happy with your findings😒. I placed my order for a Dell Precision 7670 (i9-12950HX, 32GB NECC 4800MHz DDR5 CAMM Module, NVIDIA RTX A2000 8GB GDDR6) on September 9th and it should be delivered in the next few weeks. Have just sent Dell a message with these findings and asked if this is also the case for my specific case (unfortunately looks like it with 180W charger). Let me wait for their response and solution....

[@RichardAmesMusic]

That was exactly the one I had… and returned. It’s handy as a lap and hand warmer, but you can get a lot more compute power for a lot less money. Also, I use my laptop primarily for music production and it had the worst real-time performance of any computer I’ve ever used. That must be because of all the throttling - the more a computer adapts voltage and frequency to maintain temp/power the worse the real-time performance. And that laptop has reached a new low in that regard.

[@rulvra3072]

RTX A2000? You're getting ripped off for a weakling of a dGPU for professional work.

[@matthewsorrentino8476]

I would never buy a Dell after this....wow!

[@nedkeith2669]

Yes, I have one of these crap laptops. The thermal cooling is a sick joke. I have purchased maybe 10-11 precisions across four to five generations. These last two were disappointing. Especially this last one: Horrid, but so compact! However it is clearly just pretty and underneath it is not functional for the price.

[@abaj006]

If dell wanted such a low power machine with high performance, they should have gone with the Ryzen 7945HX instead. Very disappointing they refuse to use Ryzen and cripple the Intel machine this way.

[@alpzerlaken]

There are a lot of things wrong of this Dell precision 1. Made in China 2. Keyboard is not comfortable like Thinkpad 3. No button Trackpad 4. No trackpoint 5. Price

[@汪正吉-f2s]

Thinkpad are also made in China. Maybe you should ditch that series too.

[@alpzerlaken]

@@汪正吉-f2s ThinkPad is exception I like it a lot but Dell Precision is not even close to being that good

[@guttom]

dell is consistent in oven toaster quality laptops

[@carlitoz450]

I actually have this laptop and it generates way too much heat

[@Neil3D]

Mine has been freezing cold in the cupboard since the review

[@jesscneal]

All that and no number pad either? Hard pass. My 7510 still works great.

[@Neil3D]

The 17" 7770 has a number pad, that smaller 16" 7670 I showed at the end doesn't

[@jesscneal]

@@Neil3D Good to know but my 15" 7510 has one :)

[@jimiscott]

@@Neil3D They dropped the number pad?

[@RichardAmesMusic]

7670 and 7770 both have num pad, including the 7670 shown in this video.

[@carlosalfredobigurraalzati4913]

DELL 7770 The best and most professional movile laptop in the world for design, editing and development of: drawing - animation 2d - 3d, BIM, GIS, photo, video, audio, media, data science, programming, among many other areas. It simply leaves any make and model far behind, it is worth its price in what you can produce with it.

[@Neil3D]

?

[@krane15]

@@Neil3D Commercial? Sarcasm? Not sure either.

[@GigaVids]

lmao i just sold one of these that wouldn't boot past bios ..... wonder what happened to it LOL

[@danteecht-hard1439]

Throttling issue can be solved on an XPS 15: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6OWqKaeebamjLs So maybe also on the Precisions?

[@dexterjsullen]

Lol its probably the camm ram lol

[@liquathrushbane2003]

Thanks for this video. Was in the market for a 128GB laptop, and did consider this one. Not any more.

[@rydinorwin]

Urm, maybe I won't buy one of these after all!

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Dell has fallen. Sketchy company nowadays.I jumped ship and have ASUS now.

[@krane15]

USB A. Is that a joke? Who the heck still needs USB A? And whatever happened to DP 2.0? That system has been available for nearly 3 years now and not a single product or card has implemented it yet. Why?

[@vivek_v]

This laptop isn't for you. And your use case is for you, and only you. I'm not spending hundreds of dollars updating my peripherals to USB C or try to remember to carry dongles with me. Not having USB A on such a large laptop would be an absolute insult.

[@manwithaknife4642]

Mate

[@danielclemence3689]

Please don't say "mate".

[@kenhew4641]

he's Brit ish

[@danielclemence3689]

@@kenhew4641 "Mate" was always a working-class word and considered vulgar by educated people. My father was horrified when people addressed him with "mate".

[@kenhew4641]

@@danielclemence3689 hmm. I thought that's supposed to be endearing. Working class people tend to be friendlier and treat everyone on the same level, but I guess if an educated person hears a term that's commonly used in the working class on them then that's as if they're bringing themselves down to their level, which I have to say, seems kind of snobbish ..

[@danielclemence3689]

@@kenhew4641 It sounds snobbish, but it isn't intended to be. It just sounds vulgar, even to me. It's not appropriate in common speech. Nothing against working-class or uneducated people. Just language practices.

[@vbritain1]

7770 nothing but a pile.

[@IvCastilla]

To much chit-chat nothing of substance

[@pablopicaro7649]

Boom first

[@nsevv]

Good job!

[@HoomanM]

Dell and Alienwares are all crap! waste of money!

[@18PregnantAndProud]

True, they run hot and have a short lifespan

[@HoomanM]

@@18PregnantAndProud I spend $3000 on Alienware laptop I regret it big time, it was 5 years ago but the design is truly bad and customer service is even worse. It ran hot all the time, it one occasion the motherboard was toast and I paid for premium warranty , it took them 5 month to change it. never again!

[@claybecker13]

I've seen fans go bad in months because they a running all the time. had to install their "optimizer" bloatware to throttle the new $5000 egg fryers they sent us. These laptops suck.

[@olirmsa]

great review, you taught everything needed to perform this important analysis. Can you check on the precision 5570, please

[@olirmsa]

great review, you taught everything needed to perform this important analysis. Can you check on the precision 5570, please

[@olirmsa]

great review, you taught everything needed to perform this important analysis. Can you check on the precision 5570, please